India v New Zealand, 1st Test, Hyderabad, 4th day August 26, 2012

Mental capitulation against spin - Taylor

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Ross Taylor has said New Zealand's capitulation to R Ashwin and Pragyan Ojha in the Hyderabad Test was more to do with a mental block against spin than technical shortcomings. New Zealand lost 18 of their 20 wickets to Ashwin and Ojha to begin their tour with an innings defeat, in stark contrast to their previous visit here when they had put India under pressure in the drawn Ahmedabad Test.

"A little bit of technique but I think most of it is probably in the mind," said Taylor, who made 2 and 7 in the game and fell both times to Ashwin. "[It's about] trusting your defence and trusting your attacking shots. When you get bogged down, it puts a lot of pressure on you and there was a lot of pressure going out there. It's about rotating the strike, finding your single options. We are not big players of using our feet, so we need to create lengths in different ways."

Taylor pointed to New Zealand's highest partnership of the game - Kane Williamson and Brendon McCullum added 72 for the second wicket in the second innings - as an example of showing an ability to survive against spin. "I guess any time you are bowled out for 160 [159 and 164] both times, you have got to be disappointed. We have three-four days to rectify that. Obviously spin is an area we need to work on and come back harder and stronger for Bangalore [in the second Test]. I thought Kane and Brendon applied themselves really well for a long period of time and showed that it can be done."

McCullum and Williamson had batted through the truncated morning session on the fourth day, but the former was given out leg-before when on 42 soon after lunch by umpire Steve Davis off Umesh Yadav. Replays indicated the ball had hit the bat and pad simultaneously even as a furious McCullum stormed off swishing his bat.

Taylor was asked about the absence of the Decision Review System. "Obviously [there is] no DRS. The umpires are human and make mistakes. It's a part and parcel of cricket. Different parts of the world have different rules in different sports. It's part and parcel coming to this part of the world."

New Zealand crumbled after McCullum's dismissal, losing their last nine wickets for 66 runs, and their last seven for 26. Taylor said India had put a lot of pressure on the New Zealand batsmen and praised the efforts of Ashwin and Ojha. "Not only Ashwin, Ojha bowled very well and they bowled well in tandem. They put a lot of pressure on us, bowled in very good areas. They are both very good spinners in turning conditions. When the ball does turn and bounce a lot - when it does turn, it is a lot easier to play but when it bounces [as it did in this game], it's a different ball game.

"I guess when you enforce a follow-on and have got a big total, you can have a lot of men around the bat and [MS] Dhoni did that. Come Bangalore, we need to be as positive as possible, clear the mind, trust our defence, but also find a way of scoring runs."

Ashwin felt Bangalore won't be as easy for India as Hyderabad was, and was pleased with the winning start. "Last time when New Zealand were here, they batted really well and almost drew the series. But this is a good start. We knew this was not a venue where we had won the last time, so came here with a lot of apprehension but at the end of the day, I thought we did really well as a unit and won the Test in four days.

"I think there will be a much stiffer contest in Bangalore, the [New Zealand] batsmen will come out with better plans. So we will also have to be up for it. The team had a tough year [in 2011] but it happens with every team. We have to put that behind and we are starting on a good note. Hopefully we can continue and have a great season."

Abhishek Purohit is an editorial assistant at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | August 29, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    india i home behave as a lion .where as in abroad become memne ,its not good ,try to maintain all winning habit every where

  • POSTED BY on | August 29, 2012, 6:29 GMT

    NZ were not helped by the three adverse decisions in the second innings. Guptill, McCullum and Bracewell were casualty to umpiring error. May be they would have put a better show but for that.

  • POSTED BY on | August 29, 2012, 0:29 GMT

    Being a balanced PKi fan (not frenetic) with enough cricket research & knowledge I would say that we must give credit where it is due..1). In tests Pk fans r right that Ind batters Lax & Sehwag r flat track bullies as in recent SA WI ENG & AUS tours their overall avg is 29 & 21 respectively and this has been the story for their entire career The main reason being lack of footwork..But certainly Tendulkar & Dravid r not as on same tours they avged 45 & 41 respectively & their avg has been 50 in these countries - people will wrongly think that it is low avg, in fact it is nearly the best avg by any foreign player in these countries.....2). In ODI batting, mainly SRT has been big game player & consistent performer with tournament final & WC avg of over 50 & Gangully comes nxt. Sahwag has been a dasher who has mostly performed in unimp matches & capitalized on weak oppositions like WC 170 vs ban Dravid has been ODI jinx. Kohli is good but is yet to perform in big games i.e finals & WC

  • POSTED BY Testcricfan on | August 29, 2012, 0:08 GMT

    @paps123: I agree the Test series between Eng & SA showcases better quality of cricket, but don't mention the pitches have something for everyone. Swann, the best orthodox spinner in the world, averaged 77 and Tahir, didn't do much better. I think they would disagree with you. By the way, Did you watch the match before drawing your conclusions? India did make 400+ in the same wicket, Kiwi pacer Boult & Martin both moved the cherry around, admittedly not as much as in England, but this was not a poor wicket by any stretch of imagination. The wicket demanded that the bowlers pitch on the 'mat' and attack the stumps, and not expect slip catches like in bouncy wickets...Guys like Ashwin and Yadav who do that were successful. Zaheer, who largely depends on conventional and reverse swing was not successful...what does that say to you? You need to adapt your technique according to the wicket, it applies to bowlers as well, not just the batsmen.

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 23:58 GMT

    contd........Dhoni, Yuvi & Raina r good cameo players...........3). Pk balling is certainly far superior than Ind as e.g in last 1 year PK ODI E/R is 4.3 (world's best) & of Ind is 5.6 (world's worst) despite playing on similar pitches........For comparison always compare apples vs apples e.g. In Asia cup we saw PK receieved 240 & 230 from Ban & 180 from Sl whereas on same pitches Ind received 290 from Ban & 250 from SL similarly in WC on Asian flat tracks Pk received 170 from AUS & 220 from Sl whereas Ind received 260 from AUS & 280 from SL.......... Saqlain & Ajmal r world class - share league with Murli & Warne and r far superior than any of their Ind counterparts based on all bowling stats & their performance in big matches .

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 23:46 GMT

    Being a balanced PKi fan (not frenetic) with enough cricket research & knowledge I would say that we must give credit where it is due..1). In tests Pk fans r right that Ind batters Lax & Sehwag r flat track bullies as in recent SA WI ENG & AUS tours their overall avg is 29 & 21 respectively and this has been the story for their entire carrer The main reason being lack of footwork..But certainly Tendulkar & Dravid r not as on same tours they avged 45 & 41 respectively & their avg has been 50 in these countries - people will wrongly think that it is low avg in fact it is nearly the best avg by any foreign player in these countries................2). In ODI batting mainly SRT has been big game player & consistent performer with tournament final & WC avg of over 50 performances & Gangully comes nxt. Sahwag has been a dasher who has mostly performed in unimp matches & capitalized on weak oppositions Dravid has been ODI jinx. Kohli is good but is yet to perform in big games i.e finals & WC

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 22:59 GMT

    India should field team considering tougher overseas tours if they want to avoid hatrick of clean sweeps.. below team in order might help that... Rahane Gambhir Pujara Viru Kohli R Sharma/Raina Dhoni Ashwin/Ozha Yadav Srisanth Varon Arun/Ishant

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    Yes, I agree India struggle on overseas pitches, so do English, AUS, NZ struggle in Indian pitches, but most of the Indian pitches are flat which are called neutral pitches, which are neutral for both spin and fast bowling, as always mentioned why don't we make spin pitches and let Aus struggle in India like Aus make fast pitches and we struggle. Is not correct calling us flat pitch bullies. What if we call you Fast track bullies.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | August 28, 2012, 13:47 GMT

    Badri should be drafted into the playing 11. Drop either Sachin or Raina. Now is the chance to give him a test run.

  • POSTED BY Gyanendra_Mishra on | August 28, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    @masodur2000, Dear friend while posting any figures please verfy urs stats, after all you are currently with worlds best cricket database (ESPN_STAR). There is no use if you put wrong values in any odd post. Btw I agree that INDIA lost infact white wash against ENG and AUS last year 4 test each, but had managed to won a series against WI (2 - 0) in a 3 match series. In last 25 matches INDIA had won 8 matches and lost 10 matches and 7 drawn. And because of that two whitewash in ENG (4) and AUS (4) INDIA loose their rank after staying at top for more than a year. And whoever spread the myth that INDIAN are bad in foriegn pitches, just dig in to the records page of INDIA, no need to go anywhere you will get all your queries in cricinfo itself.

  • POSTED BY on | August 29, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    india i home behave as a lion .where as in abroad become memne ,its not good ,try to maintain all winning habit every where

  • POSTED BY on | August 29, 2012, 6:29 GMT

    NZ were not helped by the three adverse decisions in the second innings. Guptill, McCullum and Bracewell were casualty to umpiring error. May be they would have put a better show but for that.

  • POSTED BY on | August 29, 2012, 0:29 GMT

    Being a balanced PKi fan (not frenetic) with enough cricket research & knowledge I would say that we must give credit where it is due..1). In tests Pk fans r right that Ind batters Lax & Sehwag r flat track bullies as in recent SA WI ENG & AUS tours their overall avg is 29 & 21 respectively and this has been the story for their entire career The main reason being lack of footwork..But certainly Tendulkar & Dravid r not as on same tours they avged 45 & 41 respectively & their avg has been 50 in these countries - people will wrongly think that it is low avg, in fact it is nearly the best avg by any foreign player in these countries.....2). In ODI batting, mainly SRT has been big game player & consistent performer with tournament final & WC avg of over 50 & Gangully comes nxt. Sahwag has been a dasher who has mostly performed in unimp matches & capitalized on weak oppositions like WC 170 vs ban Dravid has been ODI jinx. Kohli is good but is yet to perform in big games i.e finals & WC

  • POSTED BY Testcricfan on | August 29, 2012, 0:08 GMT

    @paps123: I agree the Test series between Eng & SA showcases better quality of cricket, but don't mention the pitches have something for everyone. Swann, the best orthodox spinner in the world, averaged 77 and Tahir, didn't do much better. I think they would disagree with you. By the way, Did you watch the match before drawing your conclusions? India did make 400+ in the same wicket, Kiwi pacer Boult & Martin both moved the cherry around, admittedly not as much as in England, but this was not a poor wicket by any stretch of imagination. The wicket demanded that the bowlers pitch on the 'mat' and attack the stumps, and not expect slip catches like in bouncy wickets...Guys like Ashwin and Yadav who do that were successful. Zaheer, who largely depends on conventional and reverse swing was not successful...what does that say to you? You need to adapt your technique according to the wicket, it applies to bowlers as well, not just the batsmen.

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 23:58 GMT

    contd........Dhoni, Yuvi & Raina r good cameo players...........3). Pk balling is certainly far superior than Ind as e.g in last 1 year PK ODI E/R is 4.3 (world's best) & of Ind is 5.6 (world's worst) despite playing on similar pitches........For comparison always compare apples vs apples e.g. In Asia cup we saw PK receieved 240 & 230 from Ban & 180 from Sl whereas on same pitches Ind received 290 from Ban & 250 from SL similarly in WC on Asian flat tracks Pk received 170 from AUS & 220 from Sl whereas Ind received 260 from AUS & 280 from SL.......... Saqlain & Ajmal r world class - share league with Murli & Warne and r far superior than any of their Ind counterparts based on all bowling stats & their performance in big matches .

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 23:46 GMT

    Being a balanced PKi fan (not frenetic) with enough cricket research & knowledge I would say that we must give credit where it is due..1). In tests Pk fans r right that Ind batters Lax & Sehwag r flat track bullies as in recent SA WI ENG & AUS tours their overall avg is 29 & 21 respectively and this has been the story for their entire carrer The main reason being lack of footwork..But certainly Tendulkar & Dravid r not as on same tours they avged 45 & 41 respectively & their avg has been 50 in these countries - people will wrongly think that it is low avg in fact it is nearly the best avg by any foreign player in these countries................2). In ODI batting mainly SRT has been big game player & consistent performer with tournament final & WC avg of over 50 performances & Gangully comes nxt. Sahwag has been a dasher who has mostly performed in unimp matches & capitalized on weak oppositions Dravid has been ODI jinx. Kohli is good but is yet to perform in big games i.e finals & WC

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 22:59 GMT

    India should field team considering tougher overseas tours if they want to avoid hatrick of clean sweeps.. below team in order might help that... Rahane Gambhir Pujara Viru Kohli R Sharma/Raina Dhoni Ashwin/Ozha Yadav Srisanth Varon Arun/Ishant

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    Yes, I agree India struggle on overseas pitches, so do English, AUS, NZ struggle in Indian pitches, but most of the Indian pitches are flat which are called neutral pitches, which are neutral for both spin and fast bowling, as always mentioned why don't we make spin pitches and let Aus struggle in India like Aus make fast pitches and we struggle. Is not correct calling us flat pitch bullies. What if we call you Fast track bullies.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | August 28, 2012, 13:47 GMT

    Badri should be drafted into the playing 11. Drop either Sachin or Raina. Now is the chance to give him a test run.

  • POSTED BY Gyanendra_Mishra on | August 28, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    @masodur2000, Dear friend while posting any figures please verfy urs stats, after all you are currently with worlds best cricket database (ESPN_STAR). There is no use if you put wrong values in any odd post. Btw I agree that INDIA lost infact white wash against ENG and AUS last year 4 test each, but had managed to won a series against WI (2 - 0) in a 3 match series. In last 25 matches INDIA had won 8 matches and lost 10 matches and 7 drawn. And because of that two whitewash in ENG (4) and AUS (4) INDIA loose their rank after staying at top for more than a year. And whoever spread the myth that INDIAN are bad in foriegn pitches, just dig in to the records page of INDIA, no need to go anywhere you will get all your queries in cricinfo itself.

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    @Masodur2000, which cricket are you talking about? India never lost 10 consecutive test matches? And even if you are talking only about last 14 away test matches for India. India has won 2, drawn 3 and lost 9 matches.

  • POSTED BY veerakannadiga on | August 28, 2012, 9:52 GMT

    Raining here whole week Full 5 days play doubtful. Love you Ross, here. You are one of us. All the best to both the teams.

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    @Prateek Sah .......totally agree on all points...........Exposure to green tops should by preparing green tops in domestic cricket & by touring A teams & U 19 teams overseas like Ind has done recently.........!!

  • POSTED BY sanjaycrickfan on | August 28, 2012, 9:03 GMT

    For people thinking Hyderabad pitch is a dust bowl, it is most certainly not. It did take turn like any typical Indian pitch but it didnt turn nowhere as much as a rank turner should. It had bounce which helped Ashwin more than others. But the Kiwi batsmen were absolutely pathetic in technique or temperament when it comes to playing spin. They made it look like a minefield when its actually only a slow, batting pitch. McCullum and Kane Williamson played quite decently for a while because they played themselves in and once they got set, it becomes easy. When they were playing, the bowlers didnt look that threatening.

    Of course, once a wicket falls the new batsmen will have to get the feet moving which NZ batsmen didnt and wickets fell quickly. Dont blame the pitch for the poor batting effort from NZ.

  • POSTED BY Rafelgibt on | August 28, 2012, 8:59 GMT

    What's the benefit of playing against NZ??? I bet BAN would thrash NZ in TEST if they come to pay in BAN.....It would have been better if IND play test against BAN......BAN might loss the series but never before a serious fight......Most important thing TRP of the series must have been huge........Because both BAN and IND people are die hard CRICKET fan......Hope next DECEMBER BAN tour to IND and we have a very good series both in field and Off field (In terms of money).....Advance congratulations to IND for winning the series against NZ...........

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 8:06 GMT

    for all those making noise about india will never prepare green tops; india cant win on green tops...just two things..green tops are not the final thing in cricket, one need to win in any kind of surfaces either green tops or rank turners..second thing do sa,england,aussie prepare rank turners in their home test??then why should we can give them green tops..Better thing is that we can give more green top exposure to our cricketers by tours or by preparing the same in domestic cricket

  • POSTED BY paps123 on | August 28, 2012, 7:09 GMT

    No match between NZ and India in terms of talent, temperament, technique and hence the outcome was a foregone conclusion. However, rank turners such as this one would do little good to India as a Test side nor to Test cricket. When genuine edges by Indian batsman of full fledged drives does not even carry to the Slips, its worth asking what does a foreign team do. What exhilarating cricket did we see in the SA vs ENG series on real quality Test match pitches having something for everyone involved. With so much money in hand and almost dictating Cricket world, why on earth India does not prepare much more fairer pitches to encourage better standard of cricket is what I would call "short sighted petty thinking".

  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | August 28, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    Bangalore is a good batting track, but the conditions here are overcast, so I do expect a tougher battle for India to win this one. NZ need to play with the right attitude more than anything.

  • POSTED BY on | August 28, 2012, 5:35 GMT

    Neither they can survive against pace of Windies nor the spin of India. They should admit that they need big changes to survive in cricket.

  • POSTED BY masodur2000 on | August 28, 2012, 3:56 GMT

    After 10 straight loss (not even single draw) finally India got their backyard.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | August 28, 2012, 3:20 GMT

    Kiwis need to focus a lot in cricket. They do have resources like Guptill, Flynn and Kane. I don't believe in Ross as a great player or black caps.. Baz should be made the captain.. He looks more steadier leader than Ross but one season of preference to IPL cost him in fact, them. @playinrain : Somewhat agree with you but the same way, it is very difficult to maintain a seaming wicket in SC unless it rains or conditions aid the groundsmen.And, to label the turning track as under prepared, it is a bit lame. A test wicket MUST detoriate as the game progresses.@Cpt.Meanster : Very well said. People just mention India(SC teams) struggle abroad without looking at their records in SC. Test cricket needs only two types of tracks. Spin and fast bowling pitches - Remove the rubbish flat tracks and let the teams compete for results rather than dull draws. Demeaning the spin tracks is very poor on them and very bad for the game itself.

  • POSTED BY Eat_Sleep_Play_Cricket on | August 28, 2012, 1:45 GMT

    @Naveen Kommineni : I'm not sure if you really follow cricket! You called indian wicket as not competitive? So according you only green tops are called perfect pitch and sub continent wickets are Dust bowls? Next time please make some research about nature of CRICKET STRIP ACROSS THE WORLD, Follow some good cricket and please dont believe blindly believe what WESTERN MEDIA have to say! Cheers!

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | August 28, 2012, 1:25 GMT

    NZ players are paid on a salary basis, i.e. not on an incentive scheme, they get the same if they win, lose or draw - so they have no incentive to give their all. We used to have batsmen like Richardson who was happy to bat all day, now we have a team of ODI players who are so impatient that they just get themselves out. McCullum looked much more like a test player, until he got a dodgy decision. Taylor looked like he couldn't care less. What a shame.

  • POSTED BY kumarcoolbuddy on | August 28, 2012, 0:04 GMT

    @Mervo, I am not sure if you are aware of ENG and AUS white washed in India (in ODIs) but looking at your you are in assumption that ENG and AUS are the world of cricket and they have no foreign conditions. May be there is no concept of "Home" and "Away" in your opinion then. Also I completely doubt if you are aware of India's success in ENG, AUS, NZ, WI before getting whitewashed in ENG series. India's was because of too many issues in Indian team at that time. I agree it was Indian team's fault but that doesn't mean they were not good. You will understand that if you look at the facts with open mind. NZ is in similar situation now. NZ was a very good team but their team has some issues.

  • POSTED BY Al_Bundy1 on | August 27, 2012, 23:07 GMT

    Only 1 change needed in Indian team - Drop SRT and bring in Badri. SRT has become a liability for our team.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 22:50 GMT

    In a test, why is there any pressure at all to score runs.... they will come as you wear the bowlers down. Five days is a long time. Yes its a mind thing... most of NZ batsmen seemed geared to score runs in one-day kind of mind frame. NZ need more patience and only play balls that need to be played at as well, in other words a lot more discipline. I agree with John Wright, the batsman need to change their attitude.

    NZ need to stay in to score runs..... you cannot score them from the pavilion... and you cant bat in the highlights all the time either. Franklin showed the way in the first innings.... and to give credit to McCullum and Williamson, they showed the way in the second.... we need more of that!

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 27, 2012, 22:27 GMT

    @Mervo: I have to disagree with you. No matter how much you grieve, India will NEVER have a grassy wicket with pace and bounce. It's just not the nature of our soil. In India, the ORIGINAL game as you put it has favourable conditions ONLY for spinners. Too bad, the visiting teams are all weak when it comes to playing top class spin. ENG, SA and AUS have some decent players of spin but they are in no way exceptional by any means in comparison to Asian batsmen. They will all continue to struggle just as how India struggle in quick and bouncy conditions. It's a life long disease without cure. Extra tour matches won't help peanuts IMO. It's like being a lefty or a righty. My brother is a lefty while I am a righty. I asked him the other day why his left hand reaches out always and he was like - "I don't know.. it just happens. I tried to be right handed though". So you see, India's struggle in quick conditions or ENG/SA/AUS/NZ struggling in India is just like my brother's condition.

  • POSTED BY Mervo on | August 27, 2012, 21:55 GMT

    kumarcoolbuddy it is no myth. India were white washed in Australia and again in the UK. That is, they lost all of the tests. So 'foreign conditions' are where there is grass in the wicket, as is the nature of the original game.

  • POSTED BY Mervo on | August 27, 2012, 21:52 GMT

    Not much home advantage in Australia. Adelaide and Sydney always spin well and now days Melbourne does as well. Brisbane and Perth are more for the quick bowlers. All are proper grass/turf wickets and no rolled mud, of course.

    Teams coming here get a nice balance of both techniques.

  • POSTED BY playinrain on | August 27, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    In NZ they don't prepare "seaming tracks", it's just a flat surface to bat on...and the soil types/climate we have....honestly, most kiwis would love to see more spin here as the medium "dibbly dobblies" don't make for great watching at the ground. It gets very one dimensional watching guys trundle in at 125kph! When it does turn here,it's slow and low! When ppl say NZ "prepares" wickets to suit it's bowlers, thats wrong, our best bowlers just get goodish results on our glued up wickets.These wickets seam and the climate generally allows swing....but the wickets seldom deteriorate over 4-5 days other than get a bit slower and lower!

  • POSTED BY rock.rockyin on | August 27, 2012, 21:16 GMT

    Like Football I wish the Home advantage should be minimal . unfortunately home advantage has become tooo much of an issue these days in crick. I feel ICC has to come up with a plan like there shud be 3 test match for host nation like India with 2 spin frndly and 1 green top so that the visiting nation can hope to win atleast one match and win another on spin frndly wick to win the series.This situation is like win win situation. When India travels UK or Aus this shud be the case. over all viewer is getting disconnected from the series when ever their own team is visiting foreign location. I really hope the ICC changes the view of crick! I was totally helpless as a viewer watching India in UK and Aus from close proximity.I know this will not change as each stadium wants their own viewership. Please guys share ur profit based on the total number of matches rathher than 1 match at ur staidum. huh over al test crick is becoming toooo boring.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    Taylor is right about the absence of DRS in this part of the world, Lankans can't afford it, India don't want it, Pakistan - Oh, I'm sorry!

  • POSTED BY jango_moh on | August 27, 2012, 19:27 GMT

    while i believe there should be more seaming tracks in india, i think that shud be for ranji matches, and for tests they should maintain home advantage just like any other team does... y do we hve to explain that spinning wickets are good?? by the same standards, we can say that seaming wickets outside india are also bad... the only neutral thing wud be flat pitches with true bounce.... if eng commentators/authors can say that ian bell is now batting well(before SA series) just bcos he scored at home, i think we can do the same with our batsmen... i see this double standard everywhere, and many indian fans/analysts get sucked into it... if ind needs to play better on seaming wickets(which i think they were in the last decade except for last year), then other teams need to play better on spinning wickets to prove their worth overall... simple!!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 18:40 GMT

    Its refreshing to all the Indian Cricket fans that Team India has regestered an innings win on NZ in the first test. Is it really worth the big celebrations? We won the match. Good.But under what circumstances? WE had a spin wicket which is our strength and won. Lets shelf our celebrations for a little while when we win on a competetive wicket.

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | August 27, 2012, 18:15 GMT

    Move sehwag to 5th so someone can practice opening in easier indian conditions. OI dhoni make that move now. Stop messing around. Shewag game is based on seeing the ball ...as his reflexes slows down he can't hit swinging ball that easily ..he may connect few but edges whole ton. So better move him to middle order and he is deadly with old ball and also if he gets out it will be purely to his lack of temparament..that can be fixable with few screaming shouting at him to play with responsibility.

  • POSTED BY umbuly on | August 27, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    For next match I would like to see a few adjustments to the team: Rahane for Tendulkar Badri for Raina Ishant for Zaheer

    Since this is the only remaining test match against NZ, it would be a good experiment to undertake by the selectors.

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | August 27, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    @Nutcutlet While I partially agree with you, the hotspot and Hawkeye are a liability in the present state. The sad part is, due to hotspot(which cannot detect faint edges) umpires are relying more on tech than their sense of hearing and vision. I would rather like umpires to use their head instead of acting like robots. If ICC allows snicko in DRS, then I am sure, BCCI would have no issues. As for hawkeye, its still crippled by the 2.5m, while there was a lot of improvement, it still leaves a lot to be desired. Hopefully the umpires picked for the series are high quality decision makers like Rauf and Taufel, so that the possibility of bad decisions ruining the game will be too few and far in between.

  • POSTED BY kumarcoolbuddy on | August 27, 2012, 17:16 GMT

    I think we need a break for this myth "India cannot do well in foreign conditions". Based on what logic people have started this myth? What exactly is foreign condition? Does everyone know that India won in ENG, NZ, AUS, WI etc earlier? Wouldn't it better to know the facts instead of following myths blindly?

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 17:04 GMT

    I think we need to get Umesh Yadav to bowl as much as possible and let him take the wickets.. and get one or other spinners to bowl from other end...

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    YEs this test is the practice for both indian cricketers and newzwland cricketers.India must think about their pace attack in sri lanka.Always srilanka pitch support for spin we have ashwin , harbajan and pisysh for spin.But pace attack should be good for indian team.TO win the world cup.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    India at least when playing against the low ranked teams at home... should try to prepare bouncy pitches so that they will have good practice and will do well outside subcontinent and the match will also be more competitive... Preparing these type of spin pitches will do no good for the indian cricket team outside the subcontinent And Dhoni also speaking to curator b4 the match and wanting to have a completely spin pitch is ridiculous

  • POSTED BY kumarcoolbuddy on | August 27, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    I think we need a break for this myth "India cannot do well in foreign conditions". Based on what logic people have started this myth? What exactly is foreign condition? Does everyone know that India won in ENG, NZ, AUS, WI etc earlier? Wouldn't it better to know the facts instead of following myths blindly?

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | August 27, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    I disagree with Taylor when he says the capitulation in First Test against pin had more to do with mental blockage than techincal skills. Most important aspects in coping with the spin is correct batting technique specially the defence. Footwork, & ability to judge the spin is critical as well in addition to tough mental attitude (which is needed whether you face spin or pace). Calling it the "Mental Blockage" is absolute cop out. Many batsmen use their feet to cope with spin by unsettling the spinners. Watch the Indian batsmen as to how they play spinners &learn from them. There were 10 catches in the 2 innings out of 18 wkts. to the spinners. There were at least 4 batsmen bowled+ couple of LBW's. If the defence & footwork was right then these statistics of dismissals would have been significantly different. I expect better showing from NZ in Bangalore because they would have acclimatised & know the bowlers better. So the Spinners would be less dominent. Good Luck to both the teams.

  • POSTED BY Beazle on | August 27, 2012, 15:52 GMT

    But for how long can NZ continue to only use 10 batsman ? In Chris Martin they have, I am certain, the very worst batsman to ever play test cricket and his complete inability to hang around for any partnership of even a tiny amount of runs, puts an unfair strain on the other batsmen.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 15:33 GMT

    Ashwin going on Bhajji's way,,,, his true talent will be known on foreign pitches,,,, Its sad India always prepare pitches which suits spinners. In that case India should replace Zak and Yadav with two more spinners,,,,,

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    OJHA rocks........ tough times ahead for tourists, all the best. try to show some resistance in batting....

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | August 27, 2012, 15:21 GMT

    Many international teams have been benefited by using India's spin talent. Why not NZ acquire more young Indian spinners as their citizens? I am sure in India those young Indian spinners do not have much hope to get in to India team. Their only hope is to get in to IPL (at least to make money/fame). If NZ cricket board can lure them with reasonable pay I am sure NZ can get good talent. How else can small nations (populataion-wise) improve the quality of cricket?

  • POSTED BY ultimatewarrior on | August 27, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    When Raina can be given chances in 16 tests with first class average around 40 why not bcci give chances to badrinath/rahane/rohit sharma having first class average a way above 55 atleast 4 tests each........

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    @Shortsillypoint, India won the last series in new zealand 1-0

  • POSTED BY ProdigyA on | August 27, 2012, 14:17 GMT

    Imran Khan brought the concept of neutral umpires into test cricket, cause he believed that his very talented bolwers (once upon a time :D) did not get enough credit due to biased umpiring. Its upto the BCCI now to trust their bolwers that they are the best in the business (at least when it comes to spin in the sub-continent conditions) and implement DRS and give them the due credit. Else no matter how awesome they are, questions will always be raised about their success.

  • POSTED BY kc69 on | August 27, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    I believe India should build 2 teams,One for home(sub continent) and other for overseas(elsewhere).I find umesh yadav much more interesting than Zaheer and spin in India is alway abundant.

  • POSTED BY Farce-Follower on | August 27, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    @Manju Venkatesha - But there is still time for the match. Generally it rains in the evenings and nights. Day time is usually dry, but cloudy. Playing conditions permit use of flood lights. There should be play possible across five days. Only issue if ground staff can't get ground ready after overnight rain. Hopefully, Kumble and Srinath would have addressed such issues.

  • POSTED BY RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on | August 27, 2012, 13:45 GMT

    sorry taylor. ashwin is a good spinner in turning conditions and ojha is a good spinner

  • POSTED BY jango_moh on | August 27, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    @shortsillypoint... when u say "far from being successfull", if i remember correctly, india won in NZ the last time they toured there, in 2009, maybe check the stats first before u talk... its become a sort of cliched remark now that india cannot bat in foreign conditions... in the last 12 yrs, india has done better abroad than all other teams except SA.... its a fact... 1 bad year cannot erase that....

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    there r ppl who say unmukt chand shd b in team... but is it worth? on the basis of 1 ipl performance can we afford to give a player chance at highest level? chand is still very young... another yr and some big performance r needed before he is given a chance to appear (not play )at highest level. there are many players who r more experienced and shown many good performances at ipl or india a tours. they r sitting on bench for quite a sometime. chand is good but not fully groomed and experienced. it has to be step by step. he has performed in under 19s odis, now its time for him to show some prowess in ipl n domestic cricket. u have to struggle for ur place in indian team (exceptions back door entrants like piyush chawla)... even virat kohli justified himself and fixed himself in SA series Jan 2011, otherwise he wd have struggled to be in XI of the WC. suresh raina was considered above him before that and was given test opportunity before virat.

  • POSTED BY shortsillypoint on | August 27, 2012, 12:30 GMT

    Congratulations to India. While people are lamenting the performance of NZ, and it was poor, remember this series should be held on the seaming swinging wickets of NZ, not dry flat tracks ideal for Indian spinners. Visits by Indian batsmen to NZ have been far from successful but as India rules cricket these days they can do what they want and play where and when they want. The lack of DRS was a joke - no LBWs in the first innings and then plenty. The world is watching.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 12:30 GMT

    I stay just 2km far away From Stadium in Bangalore... here lots of raining from last 2-3days..

  • POSTED BY bipulkumar on | August 27, 2012, 11:36 GMT

    Last time Indians had Harbhajan Singh and this time they have Ashwin. That's the only difference.

  • POSTED BY DeathKnell on | August 27, 2012, 11:28 GMT

    @Matt Roberts - few questions 1) how many test matches have NZ won before the introduction of T20 - can u give a comparative study on win/loss/draw ration before & after. 2) T20 is also an international game.. 3) Do you know that NZ won recently against Aus, not so long ago.. well within the T20 era... so just don't blame T20 for everything...now it becomes an added skill for any batsman/player to adapt to different form of cricket...if that cannot be handled then different teams need to be selected for different formats, giving opportunities for many talented players who otherwise would be on bench or playing county games...when the right players play the game & make it competitive (any format) that would generate interest among the watching public.....

  • POSTED BY Geeva on | August 27, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    Heres a question!After NZ players keep putting in bad performances on the International matches....Will they expect to miss the Eng tour so they can play IPL??None of the NZ players selected for the Eng tour should be allowed to play IPL..they should play tour matches before the test seies starts!!!!

  • POSTED BY cricketpurist on | August 27, 2012, 10:35 GMT

    C,mon Ross plz do not dissapoint us in Blore, Show us some New zeal We are all waiting all we want is a full 5 days of test match closely fought and you loose the match in the final session of the last day.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 10:30 GMT

    i blame T20 cricket. it will be the death of the international game.

  • POSTED BY on | August 27, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    I am not sure how you guys are seeing it .. But I see this as one of the best things that can happen to NZ cricket.. Ross is trying to put a new team in for the future and I could see lot of positives from it .. Kane played really well.. Boult bowled his heart out so was Bracewell... What more do you need from a team which is trying to establish itself against a team which is so strong in their back yard .. this is a challenge allright.. But for India I am delighted to see Aswin's performance and also Ojha's.. We atleast have some bowling in store when it comes to Spin.. Zack's and Yadav's performance worries me a lot .. Will they still test Raina or Rahane will make a debut. I would say wait till Friday

  • POSTED BY Nutcutlet on | August 27, 2012, 9:52 GMT

    THe absence of DRS in the up-coming series will cause problems when England tour later this year: mark my words! Let's all hope that this handicap doesn't create a bad tempered series, but given the known one or two fiery tempers on both sides, the odds will be against this. It's very silly, considering that it all could be avoided by a change of heart from the BCCI/MSD. The days when India resists the march of technological progess are numbered and it may be that unless the umpiring is absolutely superb (& it was poor in his Test) there will be more bad blood between the sides. Obviously, I hope there won't be, but is this something that our game can afford to put at risk? Come on, BCCI, changing your mind shows flexibility & reasonableness. Sticking with your prejudices & suspicions only suggests a reactionary & stubborn prejudice. One day you will fall in line with the rest of the world. Why not now?

  • POSTED BY sonti on | August 27, 2012, 9:01 GMT

    it is very sad to see Newzeland succumb so easily to indian bowling without giving a fight i hope they will give tough fight at Bangalore

  • POSTED BY Ronsars on | August 27, 2012, 8:28 GMT

    @TRAM:I would love to see the list of "Many international teams have been benefited by using India's spin talent" along with the players

  • POSTED BY anrich on | August 27, 2012, 7:58 GMT

    Taylor seems all at sea at the moment with his technique. He seems incapable of selecting shots appropriate for the pitch and situation he finds himself in. McCullum's attempt to redeem himself for recklessness in the first innings was admirable and it was a shame that he suffered a poor decision....however, he should play such innings regularly, not just when he is 'shamed' into doing so. NZ batsmen so rarely getting big scores is surely a reflection of their lack of technique and mental toughness, regardless of poor decisions they received in this test. Their inability against class bowling, whether it be pace or spin is, I fear, a sad result of overemphasis on shorter forms of the game, combined with a lack of such bowling to in the nets. Many are suggesting that the problem solely lies in the batting, but isn't it strange that a pitch that provides so many problems when NZ bat was a source of 400+ runs for India? How can you handle good bowling if you never face it outside tests?

  • POSTED BY dalboy12 on | August 27, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    One of the things that concerned me was before the test NZ were going about this pitch having pace and bounce and so played one spinner. Dhoni said it would spin and bounce so they played two spinners --- Dhoni was clearly right. When a pitch spins and bounces it makes it very hard to play on --- most teams would have struggled on that pitch after a few days, not that that is a bad thing, we have green seaming pitchs, batting ptichs - so why not a few that spin. In spinning and bouncing conditions like that you can't just bat time --- cos then the opposition will crowd the bat and you will in the end get one that bounces and hits the gloves. So I think Taylor's right in working the singles etc and looking to hit the bad balls, it will keep the close fielders at bay - though I would love to see a Kiwi batsman who used their feet to spinners. Michael Clark is awesome at it.

  • POSTED BY beejaytee on | August 27, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    Spin is not the only problem. NZ batsmen have failed on all surfaces, against pace and spin, lately. They need to forget about run rates, maybe even forget about wins for a while. The whole game-plan when batting should be to stay out there for as long as possible. Obviously, just blocking won't achieve this, but 4 sessions at the crease must be the one and only goal until they can manage that consistently. Rotate strike, hit the bad ones, DONT GET YOURSELF OUT. Flynn must be on thin ice and I think Franklin should have replaced him, leaving room for another bowler. My first thought when Franklin was slotted in at 6 was "He's going to get stranded on 40*". Now, I'm not exactly a cricketing genius, so why didn't the NZ brains-trust see that coming?

  • POSTED BY ganirules on | August 27, 2012, 5:26 GMT

    This match remains me the India's tour of NZ in 2002-3 were they struggled against the fast bowling of Shane bond & Co, Vettori didnt bowl even one over in some innings, however playing fast bowling is different from spin.

  • POSTED BY gothetaniwha on | August 27, 2012, 5:24 GMT

    The thing that concerns me is with our ( NZ ) we can't seem to bat more than 50 to 80 overs per innings ,not good enough - as for playing spin Taylor McCullum and Franklin play in the IPL and every team has plenty of spinners they practice every day they not playing - obviously they haven't learn't anything in the last 4 years and this is our second tour in 3 years ,only Williamson seems to have the right technique .

  • POSTED BY playinrain on | August 27, 2012, 1:45 GMT

    I guess it's easy to be an armchair critic. But it has to horses for courses! Play the 2nd spinner, even if he's "not test ready" (was Vetori?). Strengthen the batting with Watling in as keeper... There does need to be some more agression towards spin when batting. Footwork!!!The Aussies use their feet alot more to spin. Sure they do get stumped at times too, but they make a darn sight more runs before hand. A slow spinners can be reached on the full whenever they pitch up. Have a go at breaking up their length. Michael Clarke, MS Dhoni and AB DeVilliers do it all the time. Taylor and co could too, if they trained for it. They DO have the "world class" talent, just not the complete skills and mindset yet. Watling in Southee in Nethula in

    Martin out VanWyk out Bracewell out

    I should be a selector lol!

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | August 27, 2012, 0:18 GMT

    Many international teams have been benefited by using India's spin talent. Why not NZ acquire more young Indian spinners as their citizens? I am sure in India those young Indian spinners do not have much hope to get in to India team. Their only hope is to get in to IPL (at least to make money/fame). If NZ cricket board can lure them with reasonable pay I am sure NZ can get good talent. How else can small nations (populataion-wise) improve the quality of cricket?

  • POSTED BY xylo on | August 27, 2012, 0:02 GMT

    I am no expert myself, but what is wrong in getting bogged down in a test match? Wouldn't it help the team draw the match, if not win?

  • POSTED BY reywob on | August 26, 2012, 23:48 GMT

    McCullum needs to captain the team after this series is finished and let Taylor sort his game out.Sadly there are no real replacements for the batting woes-Ryder is the only other option and he needs to figure out if he wants to be among the best in the world or be a "could of ". Wagner needs to play as is a good reverse swing bowler-Martins time is up,he has been a great servant of NZ cricket ,but the time has come-Vetorri also falls into this option-Patel has shown in one match that he deserves more game time.Maybe it is better lose and bat more positivly then to meekly sucumb with lots of feilders around the bat.We all want NZ to do well but it starts at the top,Captain and batsmen.

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | August 26, 2012, 22:02 GMT

    Taylor could have been out three times in his short stay, looked horribly uncomfortable. Clearly the NZ dressing room and coaching staff just arn't getting things done. How on earth in Wagner not in the side ? Why didn't we play two spinners in Patel and Nethula ? Why bowl Martin into the ground on a wicket he won't get any help on ?

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 26, 2012, 20:26 GMT

    I think Ross Taylor should step down as captain. It's really getting to him now. The sad thing however is that there are no suitable replacements for captaining NZ. This is a "black" chapter in NZ cricket history. The team is going through a lot of downs and I cannot see anything improving in the near future. Being a small nation with a tiny population, it's finally getting to them. No world class cricketers in sight for the Black Caps, at least in test cricket. It's very sad and I feel so sorry for Taylor and the boys. Still, there is one more game to go and I hope NZ play much better in Bangalore. It will be kind of like a home coming to Ross Taylor because he was a Bangalore Royal Challengers boy not too long ago. The crowd will definitely look forward to his performance. So good luck.

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  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 26, 2012, 20:26 GMT

    I think Ross Taylor should step down as captain. It's really getting to him now. The sad thing however is that there are no suitable replacements for captaining NZ. This is a "black" chapter in NZ cricket history. The team is going through a lot of downs and I cannot see anything improving in the near future. Being a small nation with a tiny population, it's finally getting to them. No world class cricketers in sight for the Black Caps, at least in test cricket. It's very sad and I feel so sorry for Taylor and the boys. Still, there is one more game to go and I hope NZ play much better in Bangalore. It will be kind of like a home coming to Ross Taylor because he was a Bangalore Royal Challengers boy not too long ago. The crowd will definitely look forward to his performance. So good luck.

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | August 26, 2012, 22:02 GMT

    Taylor could have been out three times in his short stay, looked horribly uncomfortable. Clearly the NZ dressing room and coaching staff just arn't getting things done. How on earth in Wagner not in the side ? Why didn't we play two spinners in Patel and Nethula ? Why bowl Martin into the ground on a wicket he won't get any help on ?

  • POSTED BY reywob on | August 26, 2012, 23:48 GMT

    McCullum needs to captain the team after this series is finished and let Taylor sort his game out.Sadly there are no real replacements for the batting woes-Ryder is the only other option and he needs to figure out if he wants to be among the best in the world or be a "could of ". Wagner needs to play as is a good reverse swing bowler-Martins time is up,he has been a great servant of NZ cricket ,but the time has come-Vetorri also falls into this option-Patel has shown in one match that he deserves more game time.Maybe it is better lose and bat more positivly then to meekly sucumb with lots of feilders around the bat.We all want NZ to do well but it starts at the top,Captain and batsmen.

  • POSTED BY xylo on | August 27, 2012, 0:02 GMT

    I am no expert myself, but what is wrong in getting bogged down in a test match? Wouldn't it help the team draw the match, if not win?

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | August 27, 2012, 0:18 GMT

    Many international teams have been benefited by using India's spin talent. Why not NZ acquire more young Indian spinners as their citizens? I am sure in India those young Indian spinners do not have much hope to get in to India team. Their only hope is to get in to IPL (at least to make money/fame). If NZ cricket board can lure them with reasonable pay I am sure NZ can get good talent. How else can small nations (populataion-wise) improve the quality of cricket?

  • POSTED BY playinrain on | August 27, 2012, 1:45 GMT

    I guess it's easy to be an armchair critic. But it has to horses for courses! Play the 2nd spinner, even if he's "not test ready" (was Vetori?). Strengthen the batting with Watling in as keeper... There does need to be some more agression towards spin when batting. Footwork!!!The Aussies use their feet alot more to spin. Sure they do get stumped at times too, but they make a darn sight more runs before hand. A slow spinners can be reached on the full whenever they pitch up. Have a go at breaking up their length. Michael Clarke, MS Dhoni and AB DeVilliers do it all the time. Taylor and co could too, if they trained for it. They DO have the "world class" talent, just not the complete skills and mindset yet. Watling in Southee in Nethula in

    Martin out VanWyk out Bracewell out

    I should be a selector lol!

  • POSTED BY gothetaniwha on | August 27, 2012, 5:24 GMT

    The thing that concerns me is with our ( NZ ) we can't seem to bat more than 50 to 80 overs per innings ,not good enough - as for playing spin Taylor McCullum and Franklin play in the IPL and every team has plenty of spinners they practice every day they not playing - obviously they haven't learn't anything in the last 4 years and this is our second tour in 3 years ,only Williamson seems to have the right technique .

  • POSTED BY ganirules on | August 27, 2012, 5:26 GMT

    This match remains me the India's tour of NZ in 2002-3 were they struggled against the fast bowling of Shane bond & Co, Vettori didnt bowl even one over in some innings, however playing fast bowling is different from spin.

  • POSTED BY beejaytee on | August 27, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    Spin is not the only problem. NZ batsmen have failed on all surfaces, against pace and spin, lately. They need to forget about run rates, maybe even forget about wins for a while. The whole game-plan when batting should be to stay out there for as long as possible. Obviously, just blocking won't achieve this, but 4 sessions at the crease must be the one and only goal until they can manage that consistently. Rotate strike, hit the bad ones, DONT GET YOURSELF OUT. Flynn must be on thin ice and I think Franklin should have replaced him, leaving room for another bowler. My first thought when Franklin was slotted in at 6 was "He's going to get stranded on 40*". Now, I'm not exactly a cricketing genius, so why didn't the NZ brains-trust see that coming?

  • POSTED BY dalboy12 on | August 27, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    One of the things that concerned me was before the test NZ were going about this pitch having pace and bounce and so played one spinner. Dhoni said it would spin and bounce so they played two spinners --- Dhoni was clearly right. When a pitch spins and bounces it makes it very hard to play on --- most teams would have struggled on that pitch after a few days, not that that is a bad thing, we have green seaming pitchs, batting ptichs - so why not a few that spin. In spinning and bouncing conditions like that you can't just bat time --- cos then the opposition will crowd the bat and you will in the end get one that bounces and hits the gloves. So I think Taylor's right in working the singles etc and looking to hit the bad balls, it will keep the close fielders at bay - though I would love to see a Kiwi batsman who used their feet to spinners. Michael Clark is awesome at it.