India v New Zealand, 2nd Test, Bangalore

Dhoni wants home pitches to turn more

Siddarth Ravindran in Bangalore

August 30, 2012

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Pragyan Ojha and R Ashwin shared 18 wickets between them, India v New Zealand, 1st Test, Hyderabad, 4th day, August 26, 2012
The India spinners picked up 18 New Zealand wickets in Hyderabad © Associated Press
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Over the past year, India may have had two of their most humiliating series defeats in England and Australia, but their recent home record remains respectable. A major factor in that has been the spin pair of R Ashwin and Pragyan Ojha, who between them have taken 60 wickets in the previous four home Tests. Watching New Zealand's batsmen grope and prod at the spinning ball last week during the Hyderabad Test, you'd think the BCCI has decided to play to India's strength by preparing turning tracks. MS Dhoni, though, wasn't convinced the home surfaces are helpful enough to India's spinners.

"Frankly, we were expecting turning tracks, the last two wickets I don't see them as turning tracks," he said a day ahead of the Bangalore Test. "This wicket also doesn't look like a turning track. We have put our request through and after that whatever wickets are provided we'll have to play on them."

Despite Ashwin and Ojha dominating the Hyderabad Test, Dhoni urged curators to prepare tracks with more bite for the spinners. "You know the subcontinental speciality should be spin and I think we should stick to it. In the last match the spinners got lots of wickets but still I thought it was a hard-working wicket for them. Ashwin bowled brilliantly and Ojha had to keep it tight so I felt like if we can get a bit more spin and bit more bounce for the spinners it will be really good."

Much of India's home success in the 1990s had come using a three-spinner strategy, the most prominent trio being Anil Kumble, Venkatapathy Raju and Rajesh Chauhan. When asked whether India were pondering using that tactic in Bangalore, Dhoni scoffed, "Have you seen the wicket?" suggesting that he expected it to assist the quick bowlers.

While India rely heavily on spin, New Zealand are dependent on their fast bowlers, frequently deploying a four-quicks strategy in recent times. "I think they have a good bowling side especially on this kind of wicket and in overcast conditions they will come up with a good bowling plan and execute their plans well," Dhoni said. "Hyderabad was a bit different as there was not much for the pacers, still their fast bowlers got wickets."

That's one reason India were not complacent despite the all-too-easy victory in Hyderabad. "You don't need to be overconfident, that has never been the case with us," Dhoni said. "We are a side that respects the opponents whoever we are playing, wherever we are playing. Whatever we did right in the first Test, we will have to repeat everything."

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Posted by hnlns on (August 31, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

For those who support the theory of having turning tracks, look back what happened in Mumbai on a rank square turner - Michael Clark removed 6 Indian batsmen conceding single digit number of runs. Even though India went onto win that match, point here is even Indian batsmen are vulnerable if asked to play on a rank turner. So, this tactic might work only against visiting teams which don't have a world class spinner. Even in Capetown test, where Graham Smith described the pitch as more subcontinental in nature, India did not last more than 50 overs when batting fourth, so where is the competency of Indian batsmen when facing a worn out 5th day track ? Hope MSD looks back at these facts.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 9:48 GMT)

I cannot work out which is worse 1 The Indian fielding 2 The NZ batting 3 Yadav's bowling I think that it is no 3

Posted by IamdKing on (August 31, 2012, 9:47 GMT)

Its absolutely fine to ask for Turners in India. English and Australians keep blasting off Dhoni's tactics. I just don't understand why? Will Australia make Gabba a slow pitch? Ever? No. They can't. Because that is there strength. So if India's strength is spin..go for it. England never prepared turners for India nor did SA or the Aussies. Go for turners. Simple stuff!!!

Posted by tanstell87 on (August 31, 2012, 8:36 GMT)

Ashley Brackstone- yes India was ripped apart in last tour of South Africa. the end result was 1-1.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 8:27 GMT)

Why would not he want turners?!?!?! No trust in his pace bowlers?! Likes bullying at home...can't wait for the SA tour to watch the SA pace battery rip through the indian batting...

Posted by karthik_raja on (August 31, 2012, 8:15 GMT)

Most ppl here says that preparing green pitches in Ind will help their overseas performance. I strongly disagree. Its not as easy as u ppl say. Pitches alone wont bring swing. We shud have ideal weather conditions also. It has to b overcast all thro the day for the ball to swing around. When the conditions r hot as in Ind, u very barely find swing. Even if u find, it wont b a ideal practice for overseas series. So, that argument is totally invalid. Only solution is to send our players on contract to play in Eng,Aus,SA domestic cricket to make them familiar with those conditions(weather, food, bowlers etc etc)

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (August 31, 2012, 8:08 GMT)

If Hyd was not a turning track, why did his pace bowlers took less than 5 wickets in two innings put together? Does he think his pace bowlers are so pathetic that even on non-spin tracks they can't take more than 2 wickets per innings? Wonder what Dhoni expects from his pace bowlers if he ever plays on a 'spin track' by his standards! May be there wont be any pace bowler in his team for that match then!!! Ha ha

Posted by venkatesh018 on (August 31, 2012, 7:50 GMT)

What more does the captain want? A dust bowl like Mumbai 2004, where Michael Clarke took 6 for 9 !!! This captain wants every Test to finish inside three days, never mind how much these pitches drag down the quality of our Test match cricket. MSD definitely doesn't look like having any plan for the long-term well-being of Indian cricket ! Pity Sanjay Manjrekar and other well-wishers of Indian cricket who are worrying about S Africa 2013. Surely this captain is not looking that far ahead.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 7:18 GMT)

Training people to play well on bouncy tracks or on spinning tracks is a job to be done in domestic arena, not at the International level. At the highest level, the players must have already acquired the skills, at least reasonably so. So there is nothing wrong in having spinning tracks "for international matches". For domestic competitions however, one must prepare tracks that range from dust bowls to the fastest we can manage in India. How about building a stadium in a hill resort, to simulate the English conditions?

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 7:18 GMT)

I see lots of comments expressing the Home Advantage !!Yes, each country should try to get some advantage but preparing rank turners ..hmmm..thats as silly as you can get. Now that India has fast bowlers why not get them used to fast wickets ??Why should we always depend only on the spinners.?? Well surely one way to kill Tests is to ensure the home team always wins !! But that is silly and stupid if you want to call your self the best Team !!!

Posted by raghavan88 on (August 31, 2012, 7:17 GMT)

@dsig3 Good to see an overseas fan want turners in the subcontinent.And of course no to graveyards like SSC and Motera.More curators must follow the model of preparing minefields like Galle/Kanpur for home advantage.Maybe here and there you can mix up with pitches like Bangalore,Mohali or Pallakele to help the seamers a bit.If BCCI and SLC can upgrade facilities at Hambantota,Dharmashala and Dambulla to host tests it will be good.As an Indian Fan,would also prefer test cricket to return to Brabourne which used to be known as a quick pitch in the good old days.

Posted by AK_25 on (August 31, 2012, 7:07 GMT)

so what dhoni want turners......being an indian i would also prefers turners.....thats our strength...if aus, sa and eng are better players of fast bowling thn we subcontinent teams are better players of spin...thn whts the problem.....yes if u want to be good team u must be prepare for any conditions without complaing...a team shd be prepared well for their overseas tour.....hav u ever seen any turners outside subcontinent...simply no....i hav one question why pitches in subcontinent are mostly slow and low...cz its mostly depends on its climatic condition and the soil that availabe...right nw sa is only team whch can play both pace and spin well. cz they r always prepared well....so ur goal shd be how to adapt alien conditions quickly....if all pitches around the world wud be same type then cricket l loose its charm...every pitch around the world shd keep their uniqueness and identity....and thats how we find grt players who plays well no matter whtever the condition is...

Posted by S.Jagernath on (August 31, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

It should be that way always,except if Bangladesh happens to tour India at some point,then India should take them to Mohali & let Umesh Yadav massacre them.The only worry I have with the idea of setting major turners is,how will Yadav & the others cope?Maybe his pace will still get him wickets like Wasim Akram & Waqar Younis did.India have had batsmen that play very well on the greenest of greentops,but have lacked the bowling to bounce the opposition out.Sreesanth did that in Durban 2010 & Newlands 2011 but Ishant Sharma barely got a wicket in S.A,England & Australia.

Posted by mathewjohn2176 on (August 31, 2012, 6:47 GMT)

What dhoni saying is correct.Every team prepares to their strength.They can make fast n bouncy wickets for domestic tournament to improve their technical skills and prepare spinning tracks for visiting team,who struggle against spin ,the same way India struggle against pace in away condition.@Posted by ComVC on (August 30 2012, 15:37 PM GMT), India won first series in WI and NZ under dhoni only.The period you mentioned ,India never won series away in Australia or SA,but then they just won 1 or 2 test matches here n there in patches and 1 series away in england under dravid.They drew in SA 2011 which is also happened for the first time.so don't think we did wonders during those times.Main reason for last two tours failure is our aged batting line up.They couldn't win away series even when they were young around 2001 .

Posted by dsig3 on (August 31, 2012, 6:05 GMT)

As a westerner, I dont mind the turning tracks. Makes for entertaining cricket. I just dont want slow and low featherbeds. India, SL and BD need to improve their result/draw ratio for home tests. SL especially as they seem to design their wickets for draws.

Posted by Aaryabhatta on (August 31, 2012, 4:38 GMT)

By d logic of aussies n english,aus n eng shud prepare dustbowls in der cuntries to b successful in subcontinent.....

Posted by Romenevans on (August 31, 2012, 4:37 GMT)

Subcontinent = Spin | SA, Aus, England = Swing! All these overseas team prepare green pitches....lol at time you couldn't figure out where the pitch is because the ground and the pitch is covered with same grass, when India goes there....and when we prepare rank turners they whine about it? LOL!

Posted by u.moral on (August 31, 2012, 4:00 GMT)

Go ahead BCCI...this is what it should be. If Indian batsmen will find it difficult overseas, so will overseas batsmen find it difficult in the sub-continent. Thats what test cricket should be, a challenge for everyone not just Indian batsmen. And besides if we prepare bouncy pacy pitches here, i dont think we,re even going to ein at home. So go ahead. Thank You

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 3:54 GMT)

yep Agreed with Dhoni,We should have home advantage..thats what AUS and SA,ENG do with green top pitches and AUS always has visitors play in green top brisbane pitch just to make sure opponents are out of the contest.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 3:17 GMT)

So Dhoni wants the spinners to prosper without working for their wickets? What is the Test in Test cricket supposed to refer to again? As long as Indian wickets are dustbowls India will always fail away from home and will never have a quality pace attack.

Posted by satish619chandar on (August 31, 2012, 3:14 GMT)

@srriaj317 : Yes tracks in Australia aid spin on final day but match mostly gets decided over the period of 4 days. Adelaide and Sydney do have conditions which were not that much threatening but still, they do have a home advantage as strongly built 140+ pace bowlers can get maximum assistance from it. Dhoni just asked for turning tracks and i don't see anything wrong in it. If the SC batters need to be tested and proved by scoring in Eng/Aus/SA, why not their batters prove it in turning tracks of SC? So, they need prove only in their conditions? Test cricket is testing in all kinds of conditions. No test track is bad if it supports bowling as good as batting. A good cricket fan will take spin track for a flat track any day..

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 3:09 GMT)

Absolutely. That's the way it should be. That's what we call "HOME ADVANTAGE". I still remember our 2003 tour to NZ where they prepared fast tracks where matches ended in 2-3 days. You go to england and you see similar wkts. Why shouldn't India prepare spinning tracks? That's our strength. Yes,we have to find a way to play well in fast tracks-That should be done at Ranji level but for international cricket,we should prepare what's our strength. Also,it's clearly double standards when England win a test series at home and people go gaga gaga over the likes of Jimmy,Finn etc where they bowl well[I'm not denying that] but get all the conditions in their favour. Then what's the problem when Ojha,Ashwin do it on spinning tracks? And then people call Indian batsmen flat track bullies? Oh,really? Agreed the pitches are flat,then why on earth you all come to India and lose? The pitch is same for you too. Go and score runs then. Bet,england,australia will again struggle here.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 3:03 GMT)

If other teams prepare turning tracks in their own countries, India will also prepare tracks which support pace and bounce.. First ask the minnow team ENGLAND to prepare turning tracks.

Posted by AzyS on (August 31, 2012, 3:00 GMT)

the beauty of cricket is the different types of pitches in different countries.. when the indian team goes to england or aus or sa or nz we get those green hard and bouncing beauties.. likewise in the subcontinent we should prepare rank turners.. period.. and before every tour to aus/sa/nz/eng we have our pitches at himachal where we can train for 2-3 weeks... its just what we want... a great indian team or a great bcci with lots and lots of money..

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 2:55 GMT)

Well said Dhoni! That is the after-math of the English tour where the tracks were totally green. Its a preparation for England and Aussie welcome ;). 16 years is what we will make England wait again for their next Series win over India. Aussies have no chance in India. Last two series have been a testimony ;)

Posted by raghavan88 on (August 31, 2012, 2:38 GMT)

I support Dhoni's view.India must play to their strengths at home.After all doesn't every team play to their strength.Only point I would make is have a good mix of pitches assisting seamers like Brabourne,Bangalore,Mohali,Nagpur and Dharmashala on one side and pitches assisting spinners like Wankhade,Kanpur,Chennai,Delhi and Kolkata on the other side.No dull graveyards like Motera please.The only country I've so far seen providing a variety of pitches is Australia with 6 types of tracks:WACA,Gabba and MCG testing batsmen with varying levels of bounce and offering varying assistance to seamers,SCG where spinners hold their own against seamers,Adealide Oval where the pitch is like the subcontinent and Bellerive Oval where conditions are similar to England.

Posted by srriaj317 on (August 31, 2012, 2:25 GMT)

The Indians got turning wickets in Adelaide and Sydney recently as well. They weren't dusty of course but they were pretty much sub-continental conditions where they got thrashed. The MCG wicket is always sporting and there was help for both pace and spin while the Perth pitch was certainly not as quick as it used to be years ago. I think other test countries should also stop producing fair wickets and start pacier pitches then! The truth is if the Indians did really get served up green wickets, even Zaheer and their mediocre seamers would have moved the ball enough to get wickets. They got thrashed 8-0 because they played on fair pitches.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 2:24 GMT)

Continuing, England's last two tours to India have been disastrous: Last year ODI Series they got slaughtered 5-0. Before that unfrotunately due to 26-11 episode in India, the trip got curtalied but India won the test series 2-0 and ODI series 5-0. World Beaters England? Couldn't win against SL in SL (drew series 1-1), lost 3-0 (test series) against Pak in the UAE. Eng (like India and I am an Indian, FYI) were never true world beaters. They beat a fragile and weak Aussie team and they started calling themselves "team on the path to greatness" Really? Couldn't qualify of WC semis and team on path of greatness? The only two truly dominating teams have been Windies in 70s and 80s and Aussies in 90s and 2000s where they won series in every country - yes every country and that's how you become "A Great Team".

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 2:23 GMT)

But i do want to see some major turning tracks when the English tour here. Not bothered about Aus cos they are in grasp of reality, Eng needs to be reaquainted to their class of cricket. the so called no #1 spinner cant get wickets on turning wickets are you sure he is a spinner?? its going be to be a real funny series, also india should protect Unmukt Chand with Strauss leaving there is a slot open for an opener. make sure England dont brainwash him to join ECB as an opener for their team.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 2:17 GMT)

Why playing and scoring on fast, bouncy and seaming wickets is an 'act of bravery' and playing on slow low turners an 'act of weakness'. Every country, team, club uses something called "Home Advantage". Bolivia plays football in high altitude against its opponents, Barcelona has finely trimmed grass so that its tiki-taka passes can work, AC Milan and Chelsea will have long grasses and slightly sluggish field so that they can negate Barcelona's tiki-taka game. Everyone around the world plays to his/her strengths. Why shouldn't India? If non sub-continental teams and especially England start playing well and winning matches in India's rank turners, they will be called master of 'spin-art'. Remember Mike Gatting bamboozled by Warne's ball of the century? England defeated India 4-0 in its backyard (and agreed India played terribly) by preparing pitches which can be grazed by a hungry cow! Why India shouldn't return the favour by preparing slow-low turners?

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 2:14 GMT)

Their aim should be to prepare turning wickets in near future to challenge the visitors in a similar way they challenge us in their home grounds. however this is a short time solution, to become a force to reckon with, constant exposure to unfamiliar conditions is mandatory. BCCI ought to set up camps or perhaps open up an academy or two in SA or AUS. and then send players from junior level cricket to u19 level to practice and gain experience in alien conditions. not only batsman but the bowlers will also learn the length to bowl the pace etc, fielders/keepers will learn the right positions to stand in, the angles. We cannot be dependent on the natural and raw talent we find, we need to take the initiative to go beyond that because i find it hard to accept that in a country of 1.2 billion that we cannot a find a group of 50 to 60 cricketers who can succeed at top level.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2012, 2:00 GMT)

This fellow wants to keep the home record intact, no doubt. Remember Dhoni will also struggle to score runs if it turns and spins square. He does not have a great defense and skills to counter turning balls.

Posted by Wyrrawaul on (August 31, 2012, 1:55 GMT)

@ PPD123: Agree with you totally. I do not think it is shameful for Dhoni to ask for turners. Each country should play on the wickets that suit them best - or what the batsmen and bowlers are used to. In Brisbane we generally have fast wickets, its partially due to our weather and the way the curator prepares them. So the Qld Bulls play well at the Gabba and Waca and generally not so well in Tasmainia

Posted by onphel1 on (August 31, 2012, 1:16 GMT)

I have to agree wholeheartedly for the first time with M S Dhoni. For fast and bouncy pitch we have RSA and AUS and the WI at some degree. Swinging pitches in ENG and NZL. Turning pitches in SL, IND and PAK (although pace is PAK's strengh). We don't want uniformed pitches around the world. Fast and bouncy pitches lively for 5 days in Southern Hemisphere and rank turners from the first ball in the sub-continent. That will keep test cricket exciting alive and evolving.

Posted by TRAM on (August 31, 2012, 0:56 GMT)

Its a ok-policy when Aus/SA/Eng/NZ visit. But when SL/Pak/Ban visit, it should be perfect flat pitch (neither spin nor pace), because they have good spinners too and they play spin well too. So when they (SL/Pak/Ban) visit, flat pitches means all bowlers are dead and it is only competition between batters, in which India would be unbeatable. That way India can win above mentioned 7 teams. WI pitches are fair I think and I like their players. So lets prepare fair pitches for WI. :-)

Posted by playinrain on (August 31, 2012, 0:15 GMT)

Just shows why Australia were so strong with Warne,MCGill, McGrath and Gillespie in the same potential line up. Not to mention Taylor,Hayden,Waughs,Gillchrist,Healy...Good to go no matter what the conditions were.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (August 30, 2012, 23:45 GMT)

The only problem is that India will continue to struggle overseas with bouncy wickets and find it extremely difficult to regain number 1. The problem for India is that all wickets are flat. In Australia we have pace and bounce but also some variation between the wickets. It's an advantage we have over the other nations as we live on a continent.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 23:45 GMT)

@bestbuddy, how about SA, Aus and England start preparing turning tracks at home and they can start winning consistently on tours to India, Pakistan and Srilanka?? Look buddy, every sticks to their strengths... If preparing "good pitches at home" for you means that a pitch that always assists pace bowlers, then I am sorry to say you dont know much cricket....

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (August 30, 2012, 22:48 GMT)

I am sure Dhoni was badly hurt with previous ENG and AUS series. This trend of home pitches has started with ENG who who always depends on their home advantage. ENG team was hungry of #1 ranking when India went to ENG last time and hence ENG typical ENG pitches. Dhoni would have been definitely hurt with those kind of pitches. In addition to that ENG put India under pressure with pyschological dramas. Even Rahul Dravid was like "what the heck these pitches are" while playing there. It is like a war now.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 22:47 GMT)

Rest Zaheer and play 3 spinners. Harmeet Sigh as the third. Have Ojha open the bowling with the single pacer.

Posted by dinesh-dk on (August 30, 2012, 22:42 GMT)

I totally agree with dhoni..we must use our home advantage all the non sub continental teams struggle in slow and turning tracks...they neva prepare slow turners to practice for indian tour...they tat we indians are vulnerable against fast bounce and swinging conditions so prepare pitches to exploit our weakness...but i do feel tat these slow pitches wont help our batters face styen in sa but for tat u cant gamble with our home pitches v still have to play 9 test before sa v cant afford to lose these matches...if v want to improve in overseas condition then send players from the test team especially the like of pujara,kholi,sharma,varun,umesh,rahane to england county during the ipl..make these players skip the next season of ipl,nothing harm will happen they miss one season..

Posted by Rajavel-cricket on (August 30, 2012, 22:36 GMT)

I agree with dhoni.,, You prepare turning pitches for your visitors , And when u about go to Aus or England arrange some camp in himachal pradesh to play fast and swing bowling,, And make sure u have at least 2 practice matches before series starts,, Thats it..

Posted by maddy20 on (August 30, 2012, 22:27 GMT)

@Dashgar England prepared grazing fields in the 22 yards, to ensure that India does not have a chance, a decision spurred by the 2007 spanking they received from us in their own backyard. What fair wickets are you talking about? If England can make grazing fields then we sure as hell can make dustbowls to thump England and Aus. Lets have fast/bouncy wickets in Ranji , but not when we are playing visiting teams.

Posted by dinesh-dk on (August 30, 2012, 22:19 GMT)

i totally agree with dhoni.we should play to our strength all the non-sub

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 22:05 GMT)

guys im agree with most of you aus,eng,saf,nz did'nt prepare spinning wickets so why should we i think we should prepare total spinning (with spin & bounce) wickets against Eng & Aus in home series so lets them taste the spin as we taste pace in the eng aus they should also know what is called drubbings . we should play to our strength. i also want india to prepare themselves well before the tour of saf play some 2 or 3 practice games before tests so must do other countries to play spin in india

Posted by Simoc on (August 30, 2012, 21:32 GMT)

Indian spinners only seem to perform well in India. Warne and Murali performed most everywhere though Warne wasn't as successful in India. England has excellent spinners but their batsman that are poor at playing it abroad. Michael Clarke plays spin as well as anyone in the world. The problem is if you don't encourage fast bowlers you won't have any. Zaheer is exceptionally good but the rest are trundlers.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 20:55 GMT)

he should be shameful to ask such type of a request.For how many days our players should practice spin???they should even get used to fast pitches and fare well abroad than sticking to the same old basics of winning by spin.

Posted by jango_moh on (August 30, 2012, 20:46 GMT)

i agree with dhoni... although spinners dominated the last match, it was not a fast turning/bouncing wicket which is where the indian spinners will be dangerous... i hope we get a few wickets like that when ENG tours!!!! maybe play one test on a fast track assisting pacers...

Posted by NP_NY on (August 30, 2012, 19:50 GMT)

@Ally_Ferns: Completely agree. There is no reason for India to compromise their competitive advantage at home, which is spin. Preparing bouncy wickets for domestic games is a great idea. That might even provide some much needed encouragement for fast bowling.

Posted by PPD123 on (August 30, 2012, 19:29 GMT)

I have no problems with India playing to its strengths. Spin is India's strong suit and you should play accordingly. When it comes to touring abroad, anyways the wickets which India gets abroad will be impossible to replicate in India given the soil content and weather. I mean how would you recreate a headingly or Durban type of wicket. I remember the Durban Pitch in 1996, when India got rolled over for 66 and 100. I mean no one sympathized with India then. They just say, India cannot handle pace, but if you see the scorecard even SA struggled to 230 odd in both innings. Had India got an additional pacer, they would have rolled over SA cheaply as well. Point is everyone plays to their strength at home and I see no harm in India returning the favor. I am keenly waiting for the Ind vs Eng series, and I feel India should prepare turners, where ball turns big and spank Eng 3-0. Remember India got all bounce and pace when they toured Eng, 4 fast bowlers running in all the time, give it back

Posted by DingDong420 on (August 30, 2012, 19:22 GMT)

Fully agreed, England created pitches to suit them playing india, Pak, SL only they couldn't this year because SA would have been better than them. SA still beat them ha ha ha.

Posted by Uttsbaby on (August 30, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

He should use his home advantage to the full. If the BCCI want indian players to learn to play in foreign conditions, send them to the english county cricket system. This is why tendulkar, dravid, ganguly, kumble, zaheer and even sehwag could play overseas and the youngsters cant.

I dont see why india should constantly be asked to produce pace pitches, I dont see Eng/aus/SA/NZ producing spin wickets...

Posted by hems4cric on (August 30, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

Ridiculous argument by some here really. If India have a problem playing fast and bouncy tracks, they should prepare the same in home conditions. So, England have a problem playing spin, so do they prepare spinning tracks in England so that they can play spin better?? Everybody has HOME ADVANTAGE and they need to use it and why should only India worry about overseas, let other teams come to India and prove themselves here in OUR conditions.. why different yardsticks for different teams?

Posted by RohithMedisetty on (August 30, 2012, 18:47 GMT)

England are the worst players of spin. we know what happened in dubai at the start of this year but that didn't make them to produce spin tracks at home. Similarly If we didn't do well in england that shouldn't make us to prepare swinging conditions. Did we see england fans crying for spin tracks at home so that they can do well in subcontinent. When do you people understand this.

Posted by knan on (August 30, 2012, 18:44 GMT)

Come on MS. Let your spinners also put in the effort to get the wickets. Tests are supposed to be played over 5 days and not finish in 3 days. The Indian fans want the team to win/play well under all conditions. Grow up and be counted as a bold captain !!! Looks like with all the seniors retiring , MS wants to win as much as possible at home . With SA being the next away tour, a thrashing seems to be waiting there

Posted by Ally_Ferns on (August 30, 2012, 18:24 GMT)

I totally agree with Dhoni asking for turning tracks and hopefully he gets them for this and every home series. That's what HOME ADVANTAGE is all about isn't it? Eng, Aus or SA would never prepare turning tracks, now would they! As for India performing well overseas on bouncy wickets, the BCCI should focus on preparing such wickets for domestic games. And I think they are already doing that as is evident from the U-19 World Cup success in Australia.

Posted by keecha on (August 30, 2012, 18:22 GMT)

Absolutely.. Why not? If green grassy pitch is for England, then dry, cracking turners are for India. It can't be bread and butter or Fish and chips everywhere. This is India and we serve Dhal and Roti.Deal with it. Let us prepare dust bowls and make England and Aussie bite some of it.

Posted by 1st_april on (August 30, 2012, 17:56 GMT)

0-8 aftermath....future visiting spinners Swann/Lyon actually take wickets all over world as compared to the Indian spinners, who take wickets only in India, example, Ashwin averages 62 and Harbhajan averages 75 in Australia, more turn wickets will actually assist Swann/Lyon more than Ashwin/Ojha....India likely to lose 0-2 or 1-3 against ENG/AUS (because they have better spinners)

Posted by bhadra on (August 30, 2012, 17:49 GMT)

I think he is right. Why do you want to see every track in the work suitable for fast bowlers. Spin is an art, it should be preserved. That can only happen if Sub continent pitches are made to suit them Will you see Smith Clarke asking for their board of directors to make a SPINNING track because they feel they cannot play in sub continents. No, never. They will always ask for more pace and bounce. So why should we ask for fast track. Every fast track country struggles in Sub continent and vice versa, every spin playing country struggles in fast conditions. So that is what you need overcome you shot comings and show that you can win in unfavorable conditions. That is how you can tell the world that you are No.1

Posted by InnocentGuy on (August 30, 2012, 17:47 GMT)

Yup, well said MSD. We NEED to have spinning wickets in India. For the most part at least. And definitely when we are playing another nation as part of a tour. We do need fast tracks as well, at least for practicing on for away tours. But other than that, spinning tracks are what the sub-continent conditions are known for and that is what we should prepare.

Posted by Mocherra on (August 30, 2012, 17:43 GMT)

I kind of agree with Dhoni... If we are blaming Indian batsman for not being able to play on overseas wickets, then we should also be blaming Aussies, NZ, SA, Eng batsman who cannot play well on spinning tracks. Why havent the other teams progressed to play better on spinning tracks? The same logic applies for Indian batsman...

But, with IPL the foreign batsman are getting used to Indian pitches and we may lose the advantage hence Dhoni asking for more turning tracks...

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

Nothing wrong asking for turning pitches for the international games in India.. But we don't want the slow turning pitches... Domestic games can have different pitches which assists both batsman and bowlers [both spin & pacers]... Would australia prepare a track which assists spin from day 2 of the test match when India tours? They won't...

Posted by Nadeem1976 on (August 30, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

Forget about overseas wins or losses, every team should prepare pitches according to their strengths to win and regain confidence. It's is quite evident from Dhoni interview that he is hungry for win and 0-8 loss outside the country hurts him a lot. I say go ahead BCCI and create a Mumbai 2004 like pitch to blast NZ batting.

Posted by Manoj_Francis on (August 30, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

We all know that India is good with spin in the sub continent. But what happens when they travel overseas to England, Australia, South Africa or West Indies? They mostly fail miserably. We all know know that. We cannot have all the test matches to be played in India for India to become #1. They have to travel all around the world and prove that they can do this in any conditions. You can only do this we we prepare super fast pitches. Bangalore is an ideal place where it can the climate can also play a good role similar to overseas overcast conditions. I strongly believe that we should change our old school turning pitches to pacy and bouncy pitches to groom our batsman and bowlers. This is ridiculous to call for turning pitches, that too against week opponents like NZ. I wonder how they will get some training on some fast tracks ???

- my 2 cents

Posted by paulcric on (August 30, 2012, 17:25 GMT)

Dhoni is not a visionary. He is not interested in the long term effect of cricket in India. By his approach to have Spinners wickets we may win series in India (though against only minnows) but will continue our debacle the moment we step our of Indian borders. BCCI and the technical committee should have a good standard for pitches - sporting, that helps all hard working bowlers - both pace and spin - and use these series to develop quality players who could perform all over the world not just in India. Dhoni is just interested in his captaincy record, which is pathetic outside the Indian borders.

Posted by Texmex on (August 30, 2012, 17:23 GMT)

Dhoni is 100% right. All teams prepare pitches to suit them and not the tourists. To those who say Indians wont know how to play in seamier, bouncy tracks - Well who says dont use seamier, bouncy tracks for domestic cricket.

Posted by sysubrceq0 on (August 30, 2012, 17:22 GMT)

we need to produce turning ptches to all visitors from bouncy pitches, ENG, SA and AUS never asked for turning tracks to prepare at home even they know they have to visit India sometime soon, all home countires have to play according to their strength. But at the same time all domestic cricket in india needs pitches which supports both bat and ball.

Posted by Rushikey on (August 30, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

Well if England, SA or NZ team can ask for their curator to prepare bouncy track for India, then what is wrong with Dhoni asking spinning track for them?

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

If India keeps on playing on only spinning tracks, they wont be able to win overseas ever. Simple as that!

I don't know what Dhoni is thinking.

Posted by Dashgar on (August 30, 2012, 16:42 GMT)

Khan and Yadav must hate Dhoni, he has such little faith in their ability. What India don't realize is that other teams go out of their way to make conditions as fair as possible to promote good test cricket. When was the last time we saw a pitch in India with a bit in it for everyone.

Posted by 402_Navata_Complex on (August 30, 2012, 16:24 GMT)

If our captains keep asking for spin-friendly pitches and BCCI obliges to their requests, it is good for Indian cricket - in a way. However, we should also keep in mind that by doing this, the Indian batsmen will NEVER be comfortable on bouncy pitches in countries like SA, Aus, ENG, etc. Not sure if the NCA, BCCI, selection committee, and other prominent people (including the Indian cricket team members) are thinking along these lines....

Posted by Narbavi on (August 30, 2012, 16:19 GMT)

Now i know some of you will come and say this is why we don't play well overseas, but this is how it should be, we need to produce spinning tracks, if we too prepare bouncy wickets with grass, then what's the point of having the challenge to play in other conditions?? Bouncy in Aus and SA, swing in Eng, and Spin in the subcontinent, this is how it should be,

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 16:16 GMT)

Every country's team get their home advantage. Why can't Indian cricketers get that? Be courteous to the hosts, all right, especially when they are a decent lot like the ones from NZ. That does not mean that we should surrender the home advantage. Remember NZ providing the greenest of pitches, one would have seen in ages, when Bond was at his peak?

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 16:03 GMT)

why such a condition, then he can play 11 spinners ah.....................

Posted by ComVC on (August 30, 2012, 15:37 GMT)

It seems that Dhoni wants to erase all the progress India made in test matches since 2001 or so by winning tests consistently in Australia, England, SA, WI and seems intent on taking India back to 80s/90s when they were virtually unbeatable at home on spinning tracks but unable to win a single test outside Indian subcontinent. After losing 8 tests in England and Australia, it would be better for Indian cricket to prepare faster, bouncier tracks especially against weaker opponents like NZ while preparing spinning tracks against stronger opponents like England/SA.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 15:31 GMT)

how much more turning wickets?does dhoni wants dustbowls?he should.because indian spinners cant even take wickets on dead wickets.they badly need dustbowls to be number 1 again...lolz

Posted by cric_fan_ on (August 30, 2012, 15:28 GMT)

Dhoni this is India not SL where you expect the pitch to turn before first day's lunch, anyways I'd take a turning minefield over a flat road any day. Time to scare the batsmen with close catchers..

Posted by Kedars_DT on (August 30, 2012, 15:27 GMT)

This shows, a> M.S doesnt have confidence in his spinners that on any Indian pitch they wont be able to take 20 wickets in a test match. All he wants is more and more turn b> He doesn't want to include any medium pacers in any test match in India. That would be a good rest period though for our pacers c> In the name of "subcontinental speciality" he wants to make test matches played in India hopelessly boring which would make sure that the stadium crowds further reduce and then he gets a chance to tell BCCI that test matches are no longer popular in India so please have them removed from the future tours, play only ODI's and T20s d> Make Indian batsmen further struggle in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa since we won't have any Indian pitches where our batsmen can practice some pacy stuff e> In future, India will loose all its away games in all the above countries & wins all its home games f> IPL will become further boring as no team will have fast bowler Hats off!

Posted by mucheemaann on (August 30, 2012, 15:20 GMT)

When asked whether India were pondering using that tactic in Bangalore, Dhoni scoffed, "Have you seen the wicket?" suggesting that he expected it to assist the quick bowlers.

It is unfortunate that he is feeling bad about wicket assisting quick bowlers. Does he think that his fast bowlers are inferior to NZ fast bowlers? There's half the reason why India cannot do well in overseas tours.

Posted by dicky_boy on (August 30, 2012, 14:57 GMT)

EXACTLY BINGOOOO, I SAY THIS IS THE WAY TRACKS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, COME ON BCCI LISTEN TO YOUR FAVURITE SON COME ON

Posted by hnlns on (August 30, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

If he wants rank turners against NZ, does it mean the fast bowlers are not dependable/are incapable of producing a win if pacier and bouncier tracks are provided ? Can't understand this over-emphasis on spin, that too against a lowly ranked struggling team. Dhoni got to show more spine than this if Indian quickies are to prosper and become a real strike force.

Posted by bestbuddy on (August 30, 2012, 14:37 GMT)

As long as India prepares turning tracks their players will fail to adapt to the conditions elsewhere. Fast Bowlers wont come through, and batsmen will struggle against the short ball. prepare good pitches at home and it might give India a chance next time they tour SA, Aus or England

Posted by crindo77 on (August 30, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

More turn? Visting teams may start turning away from the airport. Listening to Harsha, Sambit Bal and Sanjay Manjrekar, I realised that the people who actually make decisions, i.e , BCCI and selectors, totally ignore media pundits, whatever their credentials may be. Maybe interviews with selectors would be more pertinent, if they are agreeable, to find out their thought processes? People like Manjrekar, Ganguly have been saying for ages the need to drop Sehwag down the order, to rest Zak, etc etc. Obviously they are the only ones who think this, however good these ideas might be. From the look of things, India will go to SA in 2013 with an identical line up, and the chances of getting trashed by an ever improving and confident SA are high. Which will destroy whatever progress was achieved under Ganguly, if it hasn't already. Fallout from that series will be the exit of Dhoni from Tests, and SRT from all forms of cricket, if the great man doesn't quit ealier. Is that the master plan?

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 14:32 GMT)

Yeah. Its fair enough to ask for a Turning Pitch in India. When we tour to Australia and England they gave us a taste of their Pitches - Fast, Swing and Bounce. We should also give them the taste of what we're specialised in - Spin, Low Bounce and Turn. We don't have to show our Hospitality in offering better Playing conditions for the tourists.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

lol how much more turn does he need...

Posted by krishheturi on (August 30, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

hmmmm......... it seems dhoni learnt no lessons form the last 2 foreign series he has to try to win on any kind of track he gets no-1 is not important able to play in every condition is very important let us hope india tries to win next test with help of pacers so that our young pacers get good practice before big england and oz series i hope bangalore track helps pacers

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