India v West Indies, 1st Test, New Delhi, 4th day November 9, 2011

A Gayle-sized hole in West Indies' batting

Without Chris Gayle, West Indies' top order is inexperienced and on a sluggish surface in Delhi their lack of nous was sorely exposed
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Given his size and presence, it wouldn't be wholly inaccurate to call Chris Gayle the elephant in the West Indies dressing room. As the match slipped away on the fourth morning despite a fiery spell from Fidel Edwards, the mind went back to the final session on the second day, when West Indies came out to bat 95 runs ahead. In the 14 overs available before stumps, they reached 21 for 2. Had Gayle been around, and had he survived, more questions would surely have been asked of an inexperienced attack, especially with R Ashwin and Pragyan Ojha sharing the new ball.

Gayle's continued exclusion has little to do with cricket and everything to do with a clash of egos. "Disciplinary issues" crops up from time to time when he's mentioned. Usually, that phrase is associated with a lack of performance. When it comes to Gayle that is certainly not the case.

Before being ignored in 2011, he had enjoyed two of the most prolific years of his career, scoring 1569 runs in 18 Tests at an average of 58.11.

Six of his 13 career hundreds came in that time, including a second triple-century, in Galle last November. What's more, none of his hundreds came against minnows. There were two apiece against England and Australia, neither of whom were constrained by popgun attacks.

For the current West Indian dispensation, however, Gayle is persona non grata. Ian Bishop, fast bowler-turned-commentator, who was in Delhi for the game, sighed wistfully when asked how much more West Indies might have pushed India with Gayle and Dwayne Bravo in the side.

"Building for the future" is the constant refrain these days, but the difference in this match was the huge gulf in experience between the two sides. Shivnarine Chanderpaul aside, the specialist batsmen had just 57 caps between them, 35 of them to Marlon Samuels, whose chequered career began in Australia more than a decade ago. Kirk Edwards has two hundreds from four Tests, and big things are expected of Kieron Powell, but on a sluggish surface where the ball never came on, their lack of nous was sorely exposed.

West Indies have traditionally struggled on slow and low pitches. Even 24 years ago, when Narendra Hirwani spun them to defeat at Chepauk, the batsmen didn't know what approach would serve them best. "As long as I've known, spin has been our problem," captain Darren Sammy said after the game.

"Losing 15 wickets for 220 odd runs [10 in the second innings, and the last five in the first] ... had we scored another hundred, knowing that India hasn't scored more than 300 runs in their last nine innings, it could have been a different ball game. We need to find a way to score against spin and not let them get us out."

There were enough clues in the outstanding batting of Chanderpaul. His positive intent, along with that shown by Sammy, was just about the only redeeming feature of a desperately meek second-innings display, and Desmond Haynes, the batting consultant, has a task on his hands to turn things around before action recommences at Eden Gardens on Monday.

"He used to play spin well," Sammy said. "He has been working hard with us. Most of the time, we have been out lbw, playing with our pad instead of the bat."

He suggested that the mindset against spin could also change, taking a cue from the manner in which Chanderpaul refused to be tied down. "As soon as the spinners settled, we went into a shell. Maybe we could bat a bit more positively, like Shiv showed us."

Given how hard they pushed India, there will be no panic buttons pressed before Kolkata. "We still have a young batting line-up with Chanderpaul leading the pack," Sammy said. "It's just a matter of them going out there and applying themselves. We have two young openers who have six or so [seven] Tests between them."

A fully fit Adrian Barath will come into contention for the second Test, and West Indies will hope that he can provide some of the impetus that the openers failed to when needed in Delhi. But no matter who they pick, that Gayle-sized hole at the top will be hard to overlook.

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  • on November 12, 2011, 16:09 GMT

    The WICB has laid done its condition for Gayle's re-entry into the WI team. They said a retraction not an apology. this can be done in one sentence. So is this guy serious or not. My opinion is that the Board fully knew that the BIG JAM wasn't going to retract anything, so they have the great excuse of saying at least we tried to bring closure to this impasse. Gayle & Gibson will never get along & that will be far more detrimental for WI cricket. Gayle is doing the Board a big big favour.

  • on November 12, 2011, 10:01 GMT

    Joel Garner was manager of that Australian tour. where is he now?

    on another note now if Sammy could not get the captaincy in the 4th string side during the contractual dispute how did he get it in this one? What did Darren Sammy do between November 2009 and November 2010 to convince The Selectors and WICB that he improved enough to be able to lead a full strength West Indies Team. I would really like to know.

    Another question why has nobody from the coaching been commenting on the fact that since getting the Captaincy Sammy can hardly catch a cold?

  • on November 12, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    @ Dravid Gravitas Remember initially with Gayle as Captain we were not doing too badly we beat South Africa away then injuries cost us that series. We beat Sri Lanka at home but only drew the series then Marlon got his ban. then we missed an opportunity vs Australia @ home. drew with New Zealand, beat England @ home &all that time doing so with a weaker bowling attck than we have now. But what does WICB do? Arrange a tour of England in May when Gayle & co were contracted to play IPl because Sri Lanka cancelled their tour so Dilshan & co could play Ipl. Any sensible board would have tried to hold on to that hard fought victory for a while+ allow players to go to IPL. but WICB didnt. Now that would have upset even a saint. Gayle is no saint. but nobody remembers his state of mind or the context in which he said he would not miss Test cricket. He should not have said that but given the type of board he was working with is it really fair to blame him for saying that?

  • on November 11, 2011, 22:02 GMT

    These are some very intelligent comments that the readers have been contributing, and I just wish the selectors would read them! It seems as if the fans have it figured out better than the WICB. Here's the deal. WE THE SUPPORTERS OF WEST INDIES CRICKET JUST WANT OUR BEST PLAYERS SELECTED TO PLAY AT THE TOP LEVEL! The politics and ego games need to be excluded from the selection. WE WANT TO WIN AGAIN! And the thing is, WE CAN -if we just put our best team out there. Sarwan, Gayle, Pollard and Bravo Sr are needed. West Indies does not have the luxury of discarding it's best players - our population pool is much smaller than that of India, Pakistan, England, South Africa, or even Australia. We are 5 million people at best, and a dozen nations separated by ocean, but playing together as a team, and still able to make an impact. The odds are against us. Why make even harder on ourselves. Bring back the talent and let's WIN!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 11, 2011, 21:48 GMT

    It's simple. There's a job offer. And I neither have respect for the job nor care if it dies. Shouldn't I be a responsible adult and stay away from that job? That's good for me and for the job as well. It's good that the company also doesn't choose a person like me for that job. And that person we are talking about here is Gayle. WICB is doing a favour to Gayle by letting him do what he enjoys the most - play hit and giggle cricket for loads of dollars. Not to mention his tantrums and throwing toys out of his pram like a kiddo. Mark my words, he'll not help the Windies cause unless he understands and respects the Legacy he is representing. This is an Indian speaking for the Legacy of Windies Cricket. Cricket is a team game and scoring a hundred or two to prove a point on an individual basis only satisfies one's ego but not the Legacy of the team. Keep it simple, dear Gayle supporters.

  • Mayfield on November 11, 2011, 21:21 GMT

    Posters are making all types of comments on this board. One thing that no one has pointed out is that this WI team has been and is going through a character building period. Adversity can build character and strength. WI under Clive Lloyd, experienced the same before they became world beaters. This team under Sammy has performed better than most people thought they would. Before this series started, no one was giving them a chance against the vaunted Indian team in India. I bet even the Indian team was surprised by their showing. As per Gayle, Bravo and Sarwan. We all know what Gayle's position is on test cricket. Bravo was the vice captain and next in line and what does he do? Refuse to sign a central contract. It is obious where his loyalty lies. Sarwan should have been selected as captain if the others mentioned were not up to the job, but apparently he has not displayed the hunger and professionalism that is needed. So where did that leave the WICB? Right where we are at this time

  • on November 11, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    Call Brian Lara onceagain to the team.

  • on November 11, 2011, 5:15 GMT

    Those of us that breath cricket are at a lost at the idea that the most feared batsman on the planet cannot make the team on account of trivial internal disputes

  • sajjodaalman on November 11, 2011, 2:16 GMT

    y al this talk about gayle? SARWAN is the guy they need in the middle order. sarwan has a higher batting average than gayle in both test and ODIS, yet he is not given any recognition...

  • LRichards on November 11, 2011, 0:59 GMT

    Gayle,Gayle Gayle Mankind is sometimes unfair, But if WICB and there Selectors thing they are fooling me, No, not me No. not me, Examine the treatment giving out to one of out Greatest batsman, Was not given the opportunity to end his career at Home of Cricket when the World Cup was over, But instead choose Sarwan for Captain, Before the Gayle Saga, Ask Shiv. Retire, The WICB is the biggest laughing stock in world cricket right now, lol lol lol.

  • on November 12, 2011, 16:09 GMT

    The WICB has laid done its condition for Gayle's re-entry into the WI team. They said a retraction not an apology. this can be done in one sentence. So is this guy serious or not. My opinion is that the Board fully knew that the BIG JAM wasn't going to retract anything, so they have the great excuse of saying at least we tried to bring closure to this impasse. Gayle & Gibson will never get along & that will be far more detrimental for WI cricket. Gayle is doing the Board a big big favour.

  • on November 12, 2011, 10:01 GMT

    Joel Garner was manager of that Australian tour. where is he now?

    on another note now if Sammy could not get the captaincy in the 4th string side during the contractual dispute how did he get it in this one? What did Darren Sammy do between November 2009 and November 2010 to convince The Selectors and WICB that he improved enough to be able to lead a full strength West Indies Team. I would really like to know.

    Another question why has nobody from the coaching been commenting on the fact that since getting the Captaincy Sammy can hardly catch a cold?

  • on November 12, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    @ Dravid Gravitas Remember initially with Gayle as Captain we were not doing too badly we beat South Africa away then injuries cost us that series. We beat Sri Lanka at home but only drew the series then Marlon got his ban. then we missed an opportunity vs Australia @ home. drew with New Zealand, beat England @ home &all that time doing so with a weaker bowling attck than we have now. But what does WICB do? Arrange a tour of England in May when Gayle & co were contracted to play IPl because Sri Lanka cancelled their tour so Dilshan & co could play Ipl. Any sensible board would have tried to hold on to that hard fought victory for a while+ allow players to go to IPL. but WICB didnt. Now that would have upset even a saint. Gayle is no saint. but nobody remembers his state of mind or the context in which he said he would not miss Test cricket. He should not have said that but given the type of board he was working with is it really fair to blame him for saying that?

  • on November 11, 2011, 22:02 GMT

    These are some very intelligent comments that the readers have been contributing, and I just wish the selectors would read them! It seems as if the fans have it figured out better than the WICB. Here's the deal. WE THE SUPPORTERS OF WEST INDIES CRICKET JUST WANT OUR BEST PLAYERS SELECTED TO PLAY AT THE TOP LEVEL! The politics and ego games need to be excluded from the selection. WE WANT TO WIN AGAIN! And the thing is, WE CAN -if we just put our best team out there. Sarwan, Gayle, Pollard and Bravo Sr are needed. West Indies does not have the luxury of discarding it's best players - our population pool is much smaller than that of India, Pakistan, England, South Africa, or even Australia. We are 5 million people at best, and a dozen nations separated by ocean, but playing together as a team, and still able to make an impact. The odds are against us. Why make even harder on ourselves. Bring back the talent and let's WIN!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 11, 2011, 21:48 GMT

    It's simple. There's a job offer. And I neither have respect for the job nor care if it dies. Shouldn't I be a responsible adult and stay away from that job? That's good for me and for the job as well. It's good that the company also doesn't choose a person like me for that job. And that person we are talking about here is Gayle. WICB is doing a favour to Gayle by letting him do what he enjoys the most - play hit and giggle cricket for loads of dollars. Not to mention his tantrums and throwing toys out of his pram like a kiddo. Mark my words, he'll not help the Windies cause unless he understands and respects the Legacy he is representing. This is an Indian speaking for the Legacy of Windies Cricket. Cricket is a team game and scoring a hundred or two to prove a point on an individual basis only satisfies one's ego but not the Legacy of the team. Keep it simple, dear Gayle supporters.

  • Mayfield on November 11, 2011, 21:21 GMT

    Posters are making all types of comments on this board. One thing that no one has pointed out is that this WI team has been and is going through a character building period. Adversity can build character and strength. WI under Clive Lloyd, experienced the same before they became world beaters. This team under Sammy has performed better than most people thought they would. Before this series started, no one was giving them a chance against the vaunted Indian team in India. I bet even the Indian team was surprised by their showing. As per Gayle, Bravo and Sarwan. We all know what Gayle's position is on test cricket. Bravo was the vice captain and next in line and what does he do? Refuse to sign a central contract. It is obious where his loyalty lies. Sarwan should have been selected as captain if the others mentioned were not up to the job, but apparently he has not displayed the hunger and professionalism that is needed. So where did that leave the WICB? Right where we are at this time

  • on November 11, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    Call Brian Lara onceagain to the team.

  • on November 11, 2011, 5:15 GMT

    Those of us that breath cricket are at a lost at the idea that the most feared batsman on the planet cannot make the team on account of trivial internal disputes

  • sajjodaalman on November 11, 2011, 2:16 GMT

    y al this talk about gayle? SARWAN is the guy they need in the middle order. sarwan has a higher batting average than gayle in both test and ODIS, yet he is not given any recognition...

  • LRichards on November 11, 2011, 0:59 GMT

    Gayle,Gayle Gayle Mankind is sometimes unfair, But if WICB and there Selectors thing they are fooling me, No, not me No. not me, Examine the treatment giving out to one of out Greatest batsman, Was not given the opportunity to end his career at Home of Cricket when the World Cup was over, But instead choose Sarwan for Captain, Before the Gayle Saga, Ask Shiv. Retire, The WICB is the biggest laughing stock in world cricket right now, lol lol lol.

  • vamanan on November 10, 2011, 23:01 GMT

    Gayle is out of equation. As Silloh rightly mentioned, in any organization there are rules to abide by. If Gayle can not, there's no road ahead for him. But WI certainly missed Andre Russell and Kemar Roach in the first test.

  • on November 10, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    @ the end of India's 1st innings when we had a 90 odd run lead what we needed was a batsman who could attack the bowlers and put them on the defensive. That is what Gayle brings to the team. his century against Australia @ Perth comes to mind. we did not have a lead then but for a while Ponting did not know what to do. Instead of berating Batsmen like Gayle and Sehwag they should be allowed to play freely. Gayle i dare say is even better than Sehwag as an attacking opener yet Sammy was at his wits end when He and Ghambir were on the go @ Delhi. Sarwan is out of form but with his class he should not have been dumped as he was. i strongly hope he proves himself in the 4 day regional tournament coming up. Taylor should perform there as well. next year we will have both the Wisden & Frank Worrell Trophies at stake.

  • on November 10, 2011, 18:53 GMT

    Even if Gayle does not fire in the batting department he is an asset in the field as he would strengthen the slip catching and provide a 3rd spin option reducing the other bowler's workload. India has Sehwag who can get them of to a quick start & even if he gets out quickly he can damage the bowlers concentration and confidence. Only the dumb or biased would not see Gayle as an asset.

  • on November 10, 2011, 18:21 GMT

    I think many commenters here are confusing what makes a good side in the various formats. Certainly Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, and Pollard should all be in the T20 and ODI sides- in T20 especially, they are top-tier players who could play for any team. But of these three, who are being touted as the best of the West Indies, only Gayle is an automatic inclusion in the Test side. Dwayne Bravo is a possibility, but really, I'd rather have a stronger batsman such as Marlon Samuels, who can also bowl well. To me, Pollard's came is only suitable for the short formats. He rarely gets beyond 30-40 in ANY format. As for Sarwan- I'm willing to give him another chance, but by any standard, he is in the last couple years of his career. To me the middle order is in the best shape: it's opening situation that needs work.

  • LifeWithBoundaries on November 10, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    I am an Indian but I really love West Indies cricket. I know WI has the talent to beat any team in the world (at least on paper) but can we get the right ones in?

    Assuming Gayle is not at odds with the WICB and both Gayle & Samuel can help with some spin, how does this following team appeal to you guys?

    1. Adrian Barath 2. Chris Gayle 3. Darren Bravo 4. Marlon Samuels 5. Keiron Pollard 6. Dwayne Bravo 7. Lindell Simmons (wk) 8. Darren Sammy (I guess we are stuck with him but it seems he bowls better than most) 9. Andre Russell 10. Ravi Rampaul and 11. Kemar Roach

  • Silloh on November 10, 2011, 15:10 GMT

    Gayle ... who wouln't want to see him bat when he is on the go in those limited overs matches need to get their head examined . But, typical Gayle windy force in test matches - 333 runs - destruction, and then blows away. Tweets , say what he wants , how he wants and when he wants and want to sleep at his own time and play when he is available . That's the man and he has a life to live . It's his choice.But in any organization, there are rules to abide by whether we like it or not and the youths especially must comply, else as in the past we will have good individual performances and no result through team effort . The chances of success through team effort is greater than when there is indiscipline. In Lloyd's era, (didn't want to go back there ) discipline and fitness were key criteria why we were successful. We have to start somewhere and the existing team is showing promising signs.

  • KeepingitReal on November 10, 2011, 14:26 GMT

    Since 2005, of the tests in which Gayle played, WI won 4, drew 18, and lost 22. Where is this gaping hole?

  • on November 10, 2011, 12:45 GMT

    west indies would win third test..onus is on india to win the second test. west india bowling attack is good..and before the fourth day, the game was in west indies hand..

  • on November 10, 2011, 11:23 GMT

    Very well said Mr Aga.

  • KeepingitReal on November 10, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    @VivGilchrist Your comments are right on point. It is amazing to see some of the WI team composition suggestions being made in this thread. Some of them do not line up with reality. There is NO current WI bowler still playing first class cricket who has a btter test record than Sammy. He has a better average than ALL of them. Check the records before you give your keypad liberties. Sammy's average is 29.2 runs per wicket. Bishhoo is next with 30.53, Edwards and Rampaul are 36.5. Taylor is 35.6 and Bravo is 39.83. Sammy's bowling strike rate is also better than Rampaul's (although Rampaul's is improving) and slightly worse than Taylor's. So you armchair selectors need to watch some cricket, because your recommendations are not stacking up.

  • Baundele on November 10, 2011, 9:49 GMT

    Chanderpaul showed what a good player can do in India. The problem is, most of the new recruits of the West Indian team are not good enough for international cricket. They may hit a few sixes on flat pitches against medium pacers and that's all. Gayle, Bravo, Russell, Benn and in a lesser extent (in test) Sarwan should walk into the side.

  • on November 10, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    I have enjoyed watching Westindies Fast bowlers swinging and pitching up the ball even in the fast bowler unfriendly pitch like kotla.

  • on November 10, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    How and why should we have two inexperience batsmen opening for the WI on this tour. This is cricket suicide And I Think the coach and selectors knows this Why can they select a team on merit Gayle would have made a lot of difference with Barath opening the innings there is nothing wrong with Brathwaite and Kieron these guys are not ready yet they are forced to play because of the board and their vendetta against Chris. India is not Bangladesh where to crowds came becase they wanted to beat the WI to enhanced their position But whith India they want to play our best team. In the wider world, sports is a business and without our best team the Indian crowds would not attend the test matches And for all of Sammy Fans I'm afraid he is not test material much less captain.

  • indianzen on November 10, 2011, 6:24 GMT

    A team consists of 11 players and all of them should contribute for the team win, 1 or 2 players can be at their best, but still effort from all 11 required.Gayle would have added another 40-50 to the score, but still then, WI are lacking spinning options.

  • timmyw on November 10, 2011, 5:41 GMT

    Gayle should be playing end of story. I don't remember him only ever playing games "when he wanted to" he was always there. He is the one playing cricket not the board. If they don't like that Gayle is earning tons of cash playing in the IPL then maybe they should pay him more. I personally think that if he was there in this test, WI chances of a win would have gone through the roof. I think that is the most important thing, not whether he doesn't like how the WICB have treated him and he speaks out so they suspend him. It's a joke of a situation. When the WI were in Aus last, the 165* he hit to draw the test in Adelaide showed me he has the will and determination to play and for WI to do well. It was full of grit and determination. That is the kind of thing WI need right now.

  • on November 10, 2011, 5:23 GMT

    This WI team is very good..I am an Indian always support WI team after Team India.They need to bring Bharath in the opening slot for Powel.The other opener is solid,Kirk Edwards is a good batsman,Bravo have the class to become a world class player.Shiv is rock solid ( my favourit test batsman after indian players),samuels have the talent but they need a WK batsman,Baugh is very good in his reflexes but need more application in batting.Bishoo is a good spinner..all the best WI but not aginist India...!

  • on November 10, 2011, 4:38 GMT

    WICB - You have punished him enough! GIVE MISTER GAYLE ANOTHER CHANCE! We, the West Indies, need the BEST players we have available. That includes Gayle, Sarwan, Bravo Sr., and Pollard. We do not need to have a bunch of inexperienced kids playing at the top of the batting order in a game against one of the World's top teams. This is a stupid strategy. Powell and Braithwaite did exactly what we expected them to do at the beginning of the second innings: fail! By the way, I keep on hearing that West Indies didn't win anything during the time that these same seniors where around. This is true, but during that whole time what did we NOT have? Bowlers. So now we have bowlers, but we have a weak group of batsmen (with the obvious exception of Shiv the veteran). The legendary West Indies sides of old did it with both bat AND ball. So I humbly suggest that the selectors consider a side strong with both batsmen and bowlers again. Not little kids for batsmen, please!

  • Rahul_78 on November 10, 2011, 4:30 GMT

    Agreed Gayle had a prolific 2 years before being ignored but the question needs to be asked is in how many of those matches WIs even came close to wining? They won nothing against top 5 teams when Gayle was in charge or playing in the team. With lesser mortals Samy and co have been playing good compatative cricket. Lets not forget India had to chase 3rd highest target in fourth innings to win the test match.

  • Coraline_Jones on November 10, 2011, 4:27 GMT

    sashi94 ... Marlon Samuels to ur team in place of Sarwan or Pollard. He is a wonderful talent and will make a ton or two in India in his own fashion. Bravo Jr. needs to lift his game if he wants 2 draw any comparison with the great Brian Lara.

  • Ronsars on November 10, 2011, 3:48 GMT

    Well if not Gayle WI are definetly missing Sars...He is a good player and one of the best player of spin his experience along with that of Chanders could have really helped this young side.......WI are really missing him at Number 3 position

  • on November 10, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    With due respect to Bishop, and he is a good guy, what kind of message would it send to young kids watching if players like Bravo and Gayle only played when they wanted to play? Winning isn't everything. Principles. I enjoyed watching the game even though West Indies lost. I am a lifelong supporter.

  • VivGilchrist on November 10, 2011, 2:44 GMT

    Sashi94, so Kirk Edwards doesn't make your team but Pollard who has not played a Test does. Sammy has the best bowling average of any WI bowler and you can't find a spot. Dwayne Bravo who is the most overrated player WI has makes your top 6. Great team. Sarcasm.

  • on November 10, 2011, 2:35 GMT

    The Player-Board standoff is really bad.I think it can only be solved if the players get their due.IMO that will only happen if the ICC suspends the WICB and WIPA and brings in a new accountable structure.However Windies are competitive with a new team.They did a good job to keep us on the mat for the first 2 days of the Kotla Test.Though they goofed up in the 2nd innings by playing stupid shots they still had a chance to win.Truth was it was a come from behind win for India thanks to Ashwin's bowling and the 2nd Innings batting performance by Sachin,Viru and VVS.IMO Windies just have to learn to dominate the key parts of a game and string together more than 2 days of good play.I like this guy Braithwatte and also find Kirk Edwards,Bishoo,Barath,Roach and Simmons as good finds.Would like to see Roach play sometime in the series.Also I would add that though there are still doubts about Sammy's place in the team he does bring a calming influence and has started performing as a bowler.

  • earli on November 10, 2011, 1:36 GMT

    If Gayle was there it wont have made a difference. Gayle is no Brian Lara and westindies was losing matches with Gayle in the side and Lara was making half of the team runs with chander making about 65% of the rest. what was Gayle doing then? what have he done after Lara left. Making runs in IPL is not test cricket. The team is showing this sort of spirit because Gayle is not around. Gayle body language in a test match game is like someone who gives up before the match starts. he he wants to come back let him be a man and say he is sorry and he is willing to play under sammy leadership and otis as his coach.

  • on November 10, 2011, 1:24 GMT

    If Gayle is not in the team,then the CEO,the board and the coaches must all go.They are a bunch of failures and they are using their power and ego to milk WI cricket.

  • bbpp on November 10, 2011, 0:38 GMT

    Had WI won, many of us, myself included, would have said that maybe the Board is justified in excluding players who they feel are not fully committed. Gayle and Bravo declining contracts, Sarwan always unfit. That being said, they are among the most talented we have and their individual records confirm this. WI has been beaten all around the world for the last 10-15 yrs even with Walsh, Lara and Ambi (the latter two ALL TIME world greats) so losing was not these players' faults.

    If you love the game then the best players should always play and for all of Gayle's millions he makes in 20/20 he still wants to play for WI. If the Boards want to exclude them because their egos seems bigger then than the Board's then fine, but have the results to show. You can't thump your chest by beating Bangladesh!

  • on November 10, 2011, 0:05 GMT

    Good sense must prevail for everything to work,both parties have to come together and unite with. Each other

  • LifeWithBoundaries on November 10, 2011, 0:02 GMT

    I wish Gayle's issue will be resolved soon. Yes, both the WICB and Gayle has ego and commitment issues. West Indies certainly has talent but the question is about picking the right 11 on the day. I was excited to hear Gibson say that he is going to rely on the pace attack. I guess 2 genuine fast bowlers is his way of attacking with pace. I really wish he would go for a genuine pack attack with Roach, Russell, Edwards, and Rampaul. Now I am beginning to doubt Bishoo's place in the team. How come he did not do well when spinners won the match for India? Even Samuels is taking wickets regularly. How would West Indies look with some allrounders like Dwayne Bravo, Gayle (yes again he has issues), Keiron Pollard, Samuels, Sammy (I guess he still needs to prove his place). On paper things look really well for the West Indians but are they reliable on any given day? But please be mindful that talent is not lacking. It is hurting those of us watching West Indians in this present situation.

  • sashi94 on November 9, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    As an Indian fan I would love to see Gayle, Sarwan, Bravo, Kemar Roach and Pollard in their test set up.. This whole board vs player issue is not worth the once great West Indian team losing their respect in world cricket. Imagine if they had this line up instead of what there going in with now..

    A Bharat, C Gayle, S Chanderpaul, R Sarwan, Darren Bravo, Dwayne Bravo, K Pollard, C Baugh, Kemar Roach/Bishoo, Ravi Rampaul and Fidel Edwards. Sorry I dont find a space for Sammy.. but this team could make it very very tough for India..

  • wiseshah on November 9, 2011, 22:40 GMT

    Absence of gayle, bravo, sarwan and pollard makes India win

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on November 9, 2011, 21:35 GMT

    Good riddance Gayle. Windies don't need such a negative and destructive influence in the team.

  • on November 9, 2011, 20:56 GMT

    I notice most of the WI fans are treating the state of WI cricket as if it is politics ,they are not objective , For example we are rebuilding!!! We have been doing this since 1996 with not much success so throwing four green batsmen and a Captian that these same selector did not think merit a place in the test side until this CEO and Coach took over and see the need for a yes man to fulfil there EGOS.

  • Mayfield on November 9, 2011, 20:56 GMT

    Gayle's last thirteen innings: 333,30,3,0,4,28,0,58,2,80,37,43,8. 50 % of the time in the single digits.

  • on November 9, 2011, 20:54 GMT

    I would like to see Gayle back in the team soon. But let's not act as if that would turn around the team completely. While Gayle is brilliant on his day, he is far from consistent or predictable. His triple-century and first ball duck in his last Test series (Sri Lanka) are the perfect example of that. While you can't "build" line-up on him, Gayle would add much. Aside from the Gayle omission, I think the current Windies team is a promising bunch. I like this: Gayle, Simmons/Powell/Barath (the jury is out on which one of them is best, although if you have Gayle, you probably need someone more defensive), Edwards, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Baugh/Ramdin, Sammy, Roach/Rampaul, Edwards/Tayler, Bishoo. Bravo is take it or leave for me, in the Test side. Samuels off-spin is very handy, so the need for an allrounder like Bravo is less. Say what you want, but Sammy qualifies on bowling performance.

  • on November 9, 2011, 20:43 GMT

    Its becomes difficult when Players go against the board. The board does not want to let one loose as it may become a culture. People are bashing the board but no body is asking Gayle questions. I hope the matter resolves soon as WI looks like a good team now and with a great batsman they can certainly grow in confidence with more wins.

  • on November 9, 2011, 20:30 GMT

    I find it frustrating that Gayle isnt in the team. I know there is probably contribution from Gayle to the problem but c'mon, is anyone seriously going to tell me that this is the one scenario in the last say two decades where the west indian administation are the good guys and the fault lies elsewhere? It should be as simple as they have a fantastic player who should be picked in their team. Gayle could perhaps be the only player on their team at the moment who could demand a place in any other nations starting line up. Pick Gayle!

  • Nampally on November 9, 2011, 20:30 GMT

    WI is not half the team it can be with C.Gayle in the side. Yes it is a clash of a proud individual Vs.Giant Board, who want to win by beating Gayle down to pulp. The word "Compromise" seems to be not in the vocabulary.So WI will remain just a young side, struggling to win. Mr. Aga, You had headlines where you thought WI had strnglehold on India - just because they had 95 run lead. Well the Indian batting with experienced 4 - Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid & Laxman - showed how to chase a target down. The so called strnglehold melted like butter.Also the young talented spinners Ojha & Ashwin wreaked havoc on the WI batting.Had Rahul Sharma played, WI might have been dismissed for much lower totals. Anyway,next test is a new ball game. WI can regroup and prepare themselves to face more of the same spinners + less rusty 4 experienced Indian batsmen. Fidel & Bishoo bowled well. They need reinforcement in form of Benn in spin and a new fast bowler.Good luck to both the teams.

  • SanjivAwesome on November 9, 2011, 20:28 GMT

    Gayle is an awesome cricketer. I wanted to see him play in a test match in India. Sometimes administrators need to learn how to manage big-hearted players like Gayle so the cricket fans can see such talent. Sports legends don't stay at their peak all their life - if fans don't see such talented players at the prime of their life, then when will we ever see them? Such players inspire the young generation and the next wave of talent for the country and for cricket.

  • on November 9, 2011, 20:18 GMT

    i would like some one tell me word for word what gayle has said what are the indisiplin behavoir he show and at the same time tell me the different in what he said and what chanderpaul wrote in his letter critizing the coach its funny when what you preffer has anything with disiplin alot of people would rather to go and watch a t20 game than a day of test but that don'tmean they don't like test in every thing in life people have prefrence you shouldn't be punish when you talk yours after he made that coment check how many test runs he made gayle at 32yrs retired and don't have to go and work for anyone with all those dedecated players to w.i cricket how much can or did the same off w.i salarie so right gayle is in a better position than lot of bashing and cutting him down

  • poolerd on November 9, 2011, 20:07 GMT

    Gayle cannot play spin, am i hearing this correct @delastbastion, the man has a score of 333 against an attack that had in quality spin bowling. There is no time to play down balls in T20, Gayle gives himself 2 overs to assess the conditions and like any quality batsman he then takes apart bowling. Tell me please tell me what has Christopher Gayle done so wrong that we are condemning the man like this, Otis Gibson with his bold obnoxious self told press West Indies doesn't need a Chris Gayle did anyone ask Mr. Gibson who do we need then, so if he says that about all his players will that be fine. A man who has serve West Indies cricket for many years is being treated this way by his board and his coach. The board does it to all ex captains You know they did it to Lara Hooper Chanderpaul now Gayle. Sammy think what they would do to you cause these guys way better than you will ever be

  • Silloh on November 9, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    Gayle... Gayle .. man he is not on the team and Bravo is unfit so why bother to discuss them when they are in a hole really. We have youths trying their best, with lessons to be learnt of course, so why not focus on the existing tean in India and give them, especially the youths, total encouragement that they richly deserve. Take note , India's bowling attack was very short of test experience but look at the positive results. Possibly one change for the next test and that is provided he is fully fit, is Bharath replacing an opener.

  • poolerd on November 9, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    @simonviller. Are you people seriously feel Gayle thinks he is better than west indies, read all reports at what gayle said, he said he PREFERS the shorter version rather than the longer not that he doesn't want to play. He went and played for the IPL after he wasn't selected by the west indies, if u think it is not so then why was he a late admission. You people know nothing of WI cricket and there poor cricket board the worst in the world ever assemble. non of there policies are sense, they admit there regional competition is poor yet still when they get players to play at a higher level their policy is the players have to play in the domestic competition to be eligible for selection. All you people who are negative about Gayle Bravo and Powell watch when u see the same thing happen to the next trio Darren Bravo, K Edwards and L Simmons then u will see it has nothing to do wid the players. WICB get your EGO out the game and field a team that at least capable of taking 20 wickets

  • Bimusa44 on November 9, 2011, 18:33 GMT

    I'm tired of hearing about Chris Gayle. Nothing personal, but he's not playing for Windies at the moment, so let's not worry about him, but more so about who are actually playing, and what can be done to take the team to the next level. Starting with the openers: I always thought it was risky using two young, inexperienced players at the top of the order. That's why I had suggested opening with Chanderpaul on these two tours. My prefered batting order: Brathwaite, Powell, Chanderpaul, K. Edwards, Samuels, Bravo, Baugh, Sammy, Rampaul, F. Edwards, Bishoo. Currently, with #1, 2, 3, 4 totaling less than 25 tests between them, there's just too much inexperience at the top of the order. I would split them up with Chanderpaul and Samuels. Sammy is doing the best with his limited talent and the talent, or lack there of, around him. With the bat, no one will mistake him for Richards. With the ball he's no Holding. We all know that. Cut him some slack!! Give him some encouragement.

  • delastbastion on November 9, 2011, 18:23 GMT

    An IPL team opened their attack with an offspinner ..the very same Ashwin in a big match recently against Gayle and what was the result ?....I dont understand if it's just that some of you ppl have really short memories or just wanna support an indisciplined individual in the form chris Gayle no one will deny he's talented and can be destructive but he suffers the same as all Wi batsmen..he has a serious deficiency to spin...and i'm sure as i've seen in recent times that dhoni would have opened with spin whether or not Gayle was there.

  • on November 9, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    Could have would have!!!!!

  • thegrownup on November 9, 2011, 17:55 GMT

    NOT ONLY IS THERE A GAYLE SIZE HOLE IN TERMS OF HIS OPENING AND BATTING ABILITY BUT THERE IS ALSO THE ISSUE OF EXPERIENCE. GAYLE'S PRESENCE COULD PROVIDE THE KIND OF SUPPORT, COUNSEL AND EXPERIENCE THAT THE YOUNGSTERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHINE. I AM AFRAID THAT THEIR CONFIDENCE IS BEING DESTROYED, BY THE ABSENCE OF MORE GUIDANCE AND EXPERIENCE IN THE SQUAD. THE WICB AND THE COACH WERE HOPING TO GET A WIN SO THEY COULD BRAG THAT THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND DO NOT NEED GAYLE. THIS SNATCHING OF DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY EXPOSED THEIR FAILURE. THIS FAILURE IS THEIRS NOT THE TEAM. IT IS THEIR EGO THAT HAS PUT THE TEAM IN THIS SPOT!!

  • Randy_Wilson on November 9, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    West Indies Lost so What, No one expected West Indies to beat India in there own back yard, even If we had Gayle, We wouldn't still bet India. If everyone Do some research on West Indies Cricket this is the first time Since a Long time, that west Indies are Playing positive Cricket and wouldn't give up until the last ball. The WICB is doing a good job, and if we cont with this kind of Work, West Indies will improve alot. Gayle Do not deserved to be in the Test Team, he hate Test, why would you want a Player Who hate test match be selected to to a test match. PEOPLE need to watch the game instead of complaing about bring back Gayle, HOW much time did West Indies Lost under Gayle, He is just one person, right now West Indies is working as a Team since they dont have no one to relay on, all of them have to work together, and We are seeing improvement, Look how we had India, if Gayle was in this Team, the team would of played different, SEE all past WI Vs India and u will see

  • theRule19 on November 9, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    For those who think India is afraid of Gayle force, to them, be said that they know what Gayle is capable of and also that India has ample players in their side who can equally match Gayle show viz. Sehwag, Yuvraj, Dhoni and to some extent Sachin. It would be nice to see Gayle in the WI team from the audience point of view who come to see some aggressive cricket, however because of his attacking sort of play and that it could give the WI the start they are looking for. With his inclusion, the WI batting does look of somesubstance and then they have a better chance in the series given their bowling line up. Only change to be made is give Jerome Taylor knowing Roach is injured.

  • on November 9, 2011, 17:27 GMT

    Aga, I thing you missed out something here. How often have WI needed gale and he failed? Your comments sound like a 'wanna be' story. WI failure in this test like the one in Barbados, is base on one thing, the front-line batsmen failing to do the job they were selected to do. Their failure is putting more on the bowlers and undermining the hard work they keep putting in against the opposition. This is the third time this year that WI has giving a match to India, because of the failure of the batsmen. That said Gale is not the solution to the problem. The selected players are the problem, and they need to step up to the plate. Come WI go get the next one and even the series.

  • simonviller on November 9, 2011, 17:23 GMT

    All those who believe in Chris Gayle do so to the extent, that they can see no wrong in what he has done . No where in the sporting world would such actions be tolerated without similar cosequences . The problem is that he thinks he is too good a player to apologise for his actions and this is working out well for him ,since he's more interested in the IPL than Test cricket . Speech is free ,but the consequences are not .There's a'' running tab'' on the consequences of free speech ,one just have to pay it after speaking . '' 'Words are like leaves and where they most abound-- much fruit of wisdom are rarely found ''. The likes of Tendulkar ,Dravid ,Laxman,Desmond ,Sir Viv ,and Sir Garfield Sobers etc; would be a good example for those who lack the ability to act professionally in the Media ; we never hear any tripe from these great men .What does that tell us

  • roninja1999 on November 9, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    The second test starts on a Monday, at the cavernous Eden Gardens' someone explain that logic?

  • on November 9, 2011, 17:16 GMT

    Kolkata is the last venue you would want to play when you are 1-0 down against India.(Chennai,even Mohali are second).

  • on November 9, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    I do not think that some of the persons commenting here have played a serious game of cricket. Gayle's presence is to WI, as Sehwag's is to India... Gayle scored a triple century the last time he was in the sub-continent playing a test series. Once he gets in he scores big. I cannot understand those who are saying Gayle has not won a game for West Indies - that is utter nonsense! I count many he has one with bat or a combination of bat and ball... Check out how many times he was the player of the match and/ or series/tournament during his career up to this point.

  • on November 9, 2011, 16:48 GMT

    cont'd from earlier post brilliant behind the stumps all game and a great piece of reflex and its a fluke. sammy gave some runs badly needed second innings and guess what a "freak ball got him out, if not then we would have gotten to 250 the way he treated the bowling. I can still find pleasure in knowing that a limited attack according to the pundits gave the strongest batting lineup ive seen in a while anywhere some serious problems. We can beat them and as i always say, whenever we score runs our bowlers are more than capable to take 20 wickets cuz 15 aint shabby either considering u defending 276 on a wierd wicket that was the best for batting on the 4th day as opposed to what the pros said...WIALLIN WI fan till i die

  • on November 9, 2011, 16:44 GMT

    Both Gayle and Bravo refused WI central contracts. Does that sound like politics or two players who don't wantg to play for their country?

  • Hendersun on November 9, 2011, 16:40 GMT

    I feel really inspired by the fact that Sammy has become the the first Windies captain to lead a series winninig team against Bangladesh in Bangladesh. In the first test against India, he led his team as best he could and performed as capably asd he could against the likes of MS Doni, Sachin Tendulkar, Ashwin and Ojah. Wickets fell to his seemingly inoccuous bowling at important intervals with the result that he took 5 of the 14 wickets that fell to the ball. To back this up, he took 2 brilliant catches and exhibited top-class ground fielding and throwing in this game. Sammy definitely has good goods in store. By comparison, Gayle has not illustrated this same vigour andpassion for leadership. As time has gone by, he has selfishly cut out or slowed down on using his non-turning off-breaks that used to break lonng partnerships and eat into tail-ends when he first started playing for Windies. Let's look to the remainder of the series using the people that want to deliver Windies.

  • Dreama on November 9, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    West Indies team is always two players short of winning a Test Match, no one with half a brain would consider Gayle to be a Saint, but what about the criticisms made in his interview? What about those even more detrimental to the WICB made by Chanderpaul who is playing with out a retraction? Is it a necessity for Heads of State to intervene to get the best qualified on the WI team?

    The gaping difference in experience between the two sides cost WI that Test match from a strong winning position, the commonality in the deficiency cannot be obscured by an expected win against Bangladesh. If Gibson and Hilaire refuse to jump they need to be pushed.

    For the life of me I cannot understand how an organization can be so vindictive and self defeating, the simplicity of issues are turned into rocket science. I get the desire to have puppets on the field and in management, but when you find your flawed thinking is going no where, for God's sake try implementation of your qualified resources.

  • on November 9, 2011, 16:15 GMT

    Ok so we lost, im disappointed in that fact, but am i disappointed or not sure that this team can push India again? HELL NO. apart from our debacle in the second innings where sammy and the tail along with chanders made the score decent at best, we played more than well. Chanderpaul was given out to a ball that pitched in trinidad then was heading to jamaica but was hit in line with st lucia and was given out, ridiculous, sammy's wicket was also a gift in the first innings. Had at least chanders wicket not be stolen our first innings would have been closer to 350-400. Secondly, that no ball was not a no ball, ive seen worse, the lbw of fidel on gambhir was as plumb as a shiner when u hit ur head. those things in my mind really stole the game. India would have never gotten to 150 let alone 209. I heard some people calling sammy's runout and baugh's stumping super freak incidents that dont count, they along with our own commentators dont give our team credit for nothing at all, brilliant

  • on November 9, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    see there're ppl who are smart and know about cricket and there're ppl who don't know a thing about the sport,all they do is talk.... @KRIKETLUVA you are one to just talk,WI would have won that game had they have a stronger batting lineup,more experience. Their Bowling has improved thanks to Bishoo,rampaul finding his was,sammy and the return of edwards... thats their strong point right now..... Jerome taylor would just make things more exciting there replacing rampaul in the test team...Sarwan and Gayle were used by the WICB now they dont wanna play them and everyone knows with a lead of 90+ with those Guys there WI could have added 350+ runs for india to make easily,atleast the chances are higher with those guys than the current top order...

  • colnc on November 9, 2011, 16:04 GMT

    It is time WI did some restructuriing. I would suggest get rid of assistant coach Dave Williams and hire a good batting coach. Sammy is difinitely not a good choice for captain. He cannot command a place in the side his presence is disrupting the careers of genuine fast bowlers auch as Roach and Rampaul due to the rotation. these guys cannot improve on the sideline they need to work whatsmore Indian batsman are suspect to fast bowling, as was evident in England. with good guidance Ramdin could develop into a good captain. In my opiniopn he is a better batsman and keeper than Baugh. The top of the batting do need some experience Braithwaite and Powell are too inexperience for that job more so together. I don't think that is helping them. I agree Gayle should be there and assume his role as captain. I guess all this lies with the Selectors who in my opinion are not the right choices. Look at their COLORFULL Careers and experiences LOL.

  • Mayfield on November 9, 2011, 15:40 GMT

    Has any of the Indian players refuse to sign a central contract with their board? Has any of the Indian players come out and publicly disparaged the coach and their board? Has any of the Indian players show up the day before a test match because they were playing for another team? How many have had discipline problems as reported from day one? How many have gone strike? How many have said they wouldn't mind if there was no test cricket? So why all the fuss about a player who has said and done all these things?

  • Harmony111 on November 9, 2011, 15:31 GMT

    @ Coll Gayle:-

    Is that an a call for Chris Gayle or does your name happen to be some variation of Coll Gayle? Nice trick btw.........

  • on November 9, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    if gayle was in the side india will never open with spinners unless they were wre surrendering .braithwaithe wants to occupy the crease and go into a shell and that give indian spinners a big egge ,(occupy the crease but score runs)he is just anothe leonard baichan and should not be in the team. barath and powell should open and bravo shoud wake up,or sit,any wi player who continues to play with their pads should be sent home. bishoo continues to improve and roach needs an opportunity to support fidel ,chanders need to bat earlier as well as samuels.we are stuck with sammy so lets make the best of it.

  • on November 9, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    the indians fear the gayle force winds..the fans love watching gayle bat...the bottomline is that this team need chris gayle.this nonplaying captain has to go..he cannot captain the team...poor bowling changes ...he cannot bat long enough to anchor the innings

  • on November 9, 2011, 15:11 GMT

    U can't force someone to play if that someone doesn't want to. And CG doesn't want to play test cricket, full stop. As I have said before we will win some & we will lose some. The inexperienced players will one day become experience. For a #7 side playing a#2 side in their backyard WI did well. It does matter if u win or lose but how u play the game,and WI played well,I am proud of them. We will get a grip of the Indian spinners in the next test trust me. None of them is a Murli or Shane.

  • Malret on November 9, 2011, 15:08 GMT

    @Devadiga: I can understand you using an adjective such as 'great' for players such as Ponting, Shoaib and Gayle but Afridi???? Seriously?

  • on November 9, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    @shrastogi for god's sake who reads ur comment apart from viewers definitely not sachin, think befor u right.

  • deepak_sholapurkar on November 9, 2011, 14:57 GMT

    I want to ask one thing when Gayle and Bravo were there in westindies team how many matches they have won? Always they played some knocks but after that batting collpases would have ensured. At least now they are trying to bring the young players with right attitude. If indian openers would have got out earlier in both the innings then story would have been different.

    In a bowler friendly pitch its commandable that WI has stretched India so much.

  • on November 9, 2011, 14:49 GMT

    west indies coach don't want gayle in the team bottom line that's why he's not there and if guyana cricket board didn't get involve chanderpaul wouldn't be there too for that was his plan he said it after the world cup they trying to make excuse about gayle on what he says on radio but that's not the problem chanderpaul wrote a lot more that what gayle said and didn't have to apologize that is just a way of keeping him out for they don't think he will and i hope he don't they thing they get the chance to punish him when he wasn't select by an ipl team but who god bless no man curse they didn't pick was a blessing in disguise and that's killing them he was suppose stay home suffer and come begging and plus he went and did well for all who are bashing him they forget greater men of w.i cricket did the same when to austrailia to play with kerry packer some went to south africa and its all because of a better pay day

  • Gansmith on November 9, 2011, 14:40 GMT

    When the Big Three will leave then India will struggle for a while. That is why it is crucial that they rotate in their youngsters by rotating the Big Three. In the same way, WI needed to rotate their elite players and are struggling. HOWEVER, they have been improving and will only get better. By continuously writing about Gayle you keep writing the youngsters off. Give them a chance and they will come through. The consistency will come with maturity! I believe they can grow into a consistent team without Gayle!

  • on November 9, 2011, 14:34 GMT

    I have one question to the rebuilding sanerio Gayle would be a bad piece in that outfit.I see no difference in this team and others. WI is consistent in one area over the past 15 years callaps in our batting this game was lost when we did not build on our first day position.yes we did well to restrict India to 209 in there first but see we did not show up with bat or ball in the second.

  • TheLoneStranger on November 9, 2011, 14:34 GMT

    Politics is all that's keeping Gayle out of the WI side, just as politics is keeping Katich out of the Aussie side. I wonder if Dwayne Bravo is also a victim of politics?

  • ShashidharHundi on November 9, 2011, 14:34 GMT

    Some one in WI Cricket board OR some respected ex player of WI (May be Clive LLoyd OR Sir Gary Sobers) should mediate between Gayle and WI Cricket board and resolve this ego issue. I think it is high time. It is not only loss for WI cricket, it is a big loss for cricket lovers all over the world to miss some one like Gayle playing in his prime form. If board wakes couple of years later it may not be beneficial to any one as Gayle would have lost his prime form. WI Board, please wakeup and plug this Gayle size hole.

  • rayinto on November 9, 2011, 14:21 GMT

    Where in the wilderness is Sarwan anyway? He can play spin better that everyone other the Shiv.

  • on November 9, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    Greatness is Good but it always back up with Discipline,Dedication and Politeness too that is the Diference between Our Tendulkar ,Dravid ,Laxman and others Gayle,Ponting,Shoaib,Afridi etc etc

  • on November 9, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    West Indies is going one extreme -- too many newbies in the top six-- (leaving out Gayle, Bravo, & Sarwan et al, all at one stroke. And India going the other way, keeping all golden oldies in tact. And not readying a few more for the future. Both need to take a mid-path. For India, at least the 6th spot should be used to try out more players like Kohli, Raina and a few others. Rotate guys at that spot, and keep ready with a pool of two or three who can be drafted smoothly in, when the time comes, when the seniors ride into the sun set, hopefully, one by one.

  • cricchic on November 9, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    What Gayle would have added was quick scoring at the top, thus putting less pressure on the middle order, distort the line and length of the batsmen, plus Gayle knows the Sub- continent pitch better...we sure miss him...

  • kriketluva on November 9, 2011, 13:53 GMT

    gayle can go to the slums from whence he hails. He had his chance and proved that he is a completely selfish player like sarwan. The two of them can take a flying leap. They didnt' win a single match for the WI when we played our top players. Our present team shows more fight than did teams with gayle, sarwan, Bravo etc. I say well done to our new players. I believe they have the interests of WI cricket at heart and are not as selfish and stupid as some of the players mentioned here.

  • on November 9, 2011, 13:40 GMT

    Excluding Simmons if he is healthy doesn,t seem like the best of decisions for this series.Simmons can and will perform well against India,s spinners; He is an aggressive stroke player who needs to bat in his natural style as an opening batsman.He will definitely give India,s something to worry about--ONCE and for the good of WEST INDIES cricket and the career of Christopher Gayle the issues whatever they are needs to be resolved.Remember Muhammad ALI,S career, he was banned from boxing by the powers that be until THE Higher court ruled.I am aware that Chris is earning a living as an international cricketer, But not having a country or rather a REGION sanctioning him is tarnishing his career as a cricketer.The parties need to come back to the table--Gayle my advice to you is that you need a home in your profession of choice--WEST INDIES is your home.

  • philibert on November 9, 2011, 13:39 GMT

    'HASHU GILL' We need Chris gayle in the side. Chris Gayle batting has improved a lot better since west indies last play india. His present is enough to intimidate the oppositions.

  • shrastogi on November 9, 2011, 13:37 GMT

    WI would gain nothing out of any discussion on Gayle. Despite playing so well he was a failure in the finals in Champions league T20 getting out to Harbhajan. It is unfortunate to see WI on losing side when two of the best moments of the match belonged to them - The electric and thoughtful stumping of Sehwag and the beauty of a delivery from Fidel Edwards to castle Dravid. India on the other side was balied out by their bowlers in WI second innings though India would have liked to restrict them further after having them 84-7. Indians need desperately to make big scores. Spend more time in middle. Tendulkar was not expected to get out to such a rash stroke. He was expected to bat through. These are unkind words to him but if these havent been said he wouldnt have made conscious attempt to bat better in fourth innings.

  • atuljain1969 on November 9, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    The case with W.I against India is that of so near yet so far. They have been able to pin India down on many occasions but failed to provide the finishing touch. Same thing used to happen with India also in the past, only difference is that now one amongst the greats is able to take the game away from opposition and finish it. Recently in England reversed happened, and India despite having upper hand against England in first two tests failed to maintain the momentum gained.

    I think W.I have performed admirably within the talent available and very soon, they will start capturing the crucial moments in the game.

  • Butee on November 9, 2011, 13:23 GMT

    "Building for the future" - The WIBC cannot build without knitting exprience with inexprience, this is done throughout the cricket world except in the W.I. If the WIBC don't get their act together we will soon see empty grounds in the Caribbean for home games, depriving the WI fans and the world from seeing top players can be the fall of WI cricket.

  • on November 9, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    Chris Gayle only averages 32.05 against india! so not that much of a difference! what West Indies needed is consistency!

  • analyseabhishek on November 9, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    For the sake of the game, its imperative that Gayle comes back to the WI side. In this low scoring match, only a brace of 30s and 40s from Gayle might well have made a difference

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  • analyseabhishek on November 9, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    For the sake of the game, its imperative that Gayle comes back to the WI side. In this low scoring match, only a brace of 30s and 40s from Gayle might well have made a difference

  • on November 9, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    Chris Gayle only averages 32.05 against india! so not that much of a difference! what West Indies needed is consistency!

  • Butee on November 9, 2011, 13:23 GMT

    "Building for the future" - The WIBC cannot build without knitting exprience with inexprience, this is done throughout the cricket world except in the W.I. If the WIBC don't get their act together we will soon see empty grounds in the Caribbean for home games, depriving the WI fans and the world from seeing top players can be the fall of WI cricket.

  • atuljain1969 on November 9, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    The case with W.I against India is that of so near yet so far. They have been able to pin India down on many occasions but failed to provide the finishing touch. Same thing used to happen with India also in the past, only difference is that now one amongst the greats is able to take the game away from opposition and finish it. Recently in England reversed happened, and India despite having upper hand against England in first two tests failed to maintain the momentum gained.

    I think W.I have performed admirably within the talent available and very soon, they will start capturing the crucial moments in the game.

  • shrastogi on November 9, 2011, 13:37 GMT

    WI would gain nothing out of any discussion on Gayle. Despite playing so well he was a failure in the finals in Champions league T20 getting out to Harbhajan. It is unfortunate to see WI on losing side when two of the best moments of the match belonged to them - The electric and thoughtful stumping of Sehwag and the beauty of a delivery from Fidel Edwards to castle Dravid. India on the other side was balied out by their bowlers in WI second innings though India would have liked to restrict them further after having them 84-7. Indians need desperately to make big scores. Spend more time in middle. Tendulkar was not expected to get out to such a rash stroke. He was expected to bat through. These are unkind words to him but if these havent been said he wouldnt have made conscious attempt to bat better in fourth innings.

  • philibert on November 9, 2011, 13:39 GMT

    'HASHU GILL' We need Chris gayle in the side. Chris Gayle batting has improved a lot better since west indies last play india. His present is enough to intimidate the oppositions.

  • on November 9, 2011, 13:40 GMT

    Excluding Simmons if he is healthy doesn,t seem like the best of decisions for this series.Simmons can and will perform well against India,s spinners; He is an aggressive stroke player who needs to bat in his natural style as an opening batsman.He will definitely give India,s something to worry about--ONCE and for the good of WEST INDIES cricket and the career of Christopher Gayle the issues whatever they are needs to be resolved.Remember Muhammad ALI,S career, he was banned from boxing by the powers that be until THE Higher court ruled.I am aware that Chris is earning a living as an international cricketer, But not having a country or rather a REGION sanctioning him is tarnishing his career as a cricketer.The parties need to come back to the table--Gayle my advice to you is that you need a home in your profession of choice--WEST INDIES is your home.

  • kriketluva on November 9, 2011, 13:53 GMT

    gayle can go to the slums from whence he hails. He had his chance and proved that he is a completely selfish player like sarwan. The two of them can take a flying leap. They didnt' win a single match for the WI when we played our top players. Our present team shows more fight than did teams with gayle, sarwan, Bravo etc. I say well done to our new players. I believe they have the interests of WI cricket at heart and are not as selfish and stupid as some of the players mentioned here.

  • cricchic on November 9, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    What Gayle would have added was quick scoring at the top, thus putting less pressure on the middle order, distort the line and length of the batsmen, plus Gayle knows the Sub- continent pitch better...we sure miss him...

  • on November 9, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    West Indies is going one extreme -- too many newbies in the top six-- (leaving out Gayle, Bravo, & Sarwan et al, all at one stroke. And India going the other way, keeping all golden oldies in tact. And not readying a few more for the future. Both need to take a mid-path. For India, at least the 6th spot should be used to try out more players like Kohli, Raina and a few others. Rotate guys at that spot, and keep ready with a pool of two or three who can be drafted smoothly in, when the time comes, when the seniors ride into the sun set, hopefully, one by one.