India v West Indies, 2nd Test, Kolkata, 2nd day

Richardson wants intent against spin

ESPNcricinfo staff

November 15, 2011

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Darren Sammy reacts to more runs off VVS Laxman's bat, India v West Indies, 2nd Test, Kolkata, 2nd day, November 15, 2011
The West Indies bowlers toiled but had little success at Eden Gardens © AFP
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Richie Richardson, the West Indies manager, has said his team's batsmen have to be positive against spin if they are to get close to India's first-innings score of 631 for 7 at Eden Gardens. West Indies lost 16 wickets to India's spinners R Ashwin and Prayan Ojha during their loss in Delhi and the way they handle them could be the key to avoiding another defeat.

"We have to bat positively; if you are batting on a turning wicket and if you just stay in there the bowlers are going to get on top of you," Richardson said after the second day of play in Kolkata. "You have to show intent and not just wait for bad balls as there aren't going to be too many bad balls from India. You have got to take it to them. That is not to say you play rash shots; it's just that you have to keep looking for ways to score runs."

West Indies lost two wickets in the 12 overs they had to negotiate at the end of the second day but Richardson remained confident his side could match India's batting effort. He said his bowlers had not really bowled that badly and it was just the conditions that made it hard to take wickets, so there was no reason his batsmen should not post a big total.

"We've just got to bat the way India batted. It's a very good batting wicket. I noticed that the first day I came here. It's not going to be easy and India's bowlers are going to push us but I believe we have the ammunition to go out and bat for the next two days. Usually, when you think about such a big total you are going to go 'Wow, that's going to be difficult.' But then you assess the situation and tell yourself we can do it too. If two guys get stuck in there and score centuries then you can bat yourselves to a very good position.

"I wouldn't say our bowling was not up to the mark. The India batsmen made full use of a very good batting track. It was always tough for our bowlers. They have bowled really well for the entire year; we haven't let ourselves down."

Fourteen overs of play were lost due to poor light on the second day at Eden Gardens. Though the early finish might have come as a relief for West Indies who were tottering at 34 for 2, Richardson said he was in favour of using floodlights for Test cricket when needed.

"I believe in using technology when it is going to assist you. When you have lights, you can use them. People want to see cricket and as a player you want to be out there as long as possible. If they have lights the only thing likely to make you come off is rain."

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Posted by WICric101 on (November 16, 2011, 12:14 GMT)

Sammy captaincy and place in the team should be heavily scrutinized by team management for indias massive total,the fans have already made there judgement on him (the majority think he doesnt desrve a place in the team) his captaincy was more than questionable, it was a disgrace.

Posted by sathishvaiju on (November 16, 2011, 11:54 GMT)

Hi folks, all are commenting about India Vs England series in Eng, where india lost 4-0, yes i agree but india played only rookies and new players not the real indian team, if they would have played the real team then the result is vice-versa i.e india won the series 4-0 so please stop talking about that, one suggestion Sammy you are a joker,just go out from the WI team, bring back CH gayle as captain, WI wil retain its olden golden days.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2011, 11:26 GMT)

Leave all these "can't play spin " theories....just get chris gayle and the matter is sorted.

WI board's ego is not only hurting WI team fortunes but it's making the series boring for the rest of us. We already know the result of the series so why bother watching it.

The only people who can change the result one way or other are Viru and Gayle..we've got Viru..time to get Gayle?

Posted by   on (November 16, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

@Outcast: India does not need to play against minnows... they need to only play at home. We need test series against Aus, RSA , England only in India!!!!!!

Posted by SpartaArmy on (November 16, 2011, 5:25 GMT)

@outcast: You forget to include Rest of the World (also known as England).

Posted by OutCast on (November 16, 2011, 4:48 GMT)

India should arrange test series against the likes of Canada, Ireland, Sweden, Scotland, Denmark, Holland, Hong Kong etc...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2011, 3:35 GMT)

Yeah, he got intent all right this morning, intent on getting back to the dressing room...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2011, 2:14 GMT)

Too much excuse about the pitch from WI. Lacadical cricket and poor mentality. I dont know which dumb fool they are following but it seemed like they were a bunch of stooges on the field. They allowed India to score over 300 runs by employing negative bowling and field placement without trying to pick up wicket. They set the field and allowe Dravid to milk an easy 100 without any effort. And then they start bowling negative to reduce the scoring rate and Doni/ Laxsman took 180 in 1 session and the biggest joke is that all they needed was 1 wicket to wrap up the innings. I guess with that attitude even Courtney Walsh could have scored a century.

Posted by jimbond on (November 16, 2011, 1:36 GMT)

@yokasi: Sammy still does not deserve a place in the side as a player. He is a steady performer, but possibly not test class. His wicket to wicket line would be okay in limited overs matches. Just compare him with the people outside the team- Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Jerome Taylor, Kemar Roach/Rampaul, Benn, Russel etc, and you can see the problems in including Sammy.

Posted by jimbond on (November 16, 2011, 1:31 GMT)

@Iyer: Dhoni should occasionally be rested, not because he has problems against any country, but because he is the only reasonable wk/bat in the picture. But the resting should not be against Australia. This WI tour could have been a good opportunity to rest him. Or any future tour against some of the lower ranked teams such as Zimbabwe, Bangladesh. The problem is, there are no good WK/Bat in India. Parthiv- the next best has limitations in both batting, keeping. Dinesh Karthik has proved to be totally incompetent at everything- and if not for the benevolence of Srikanth, would have been removed from all sorts of contracts a long time ago.. Naman Ojha too has some way to go before he can be a national keeper. We need to identify a few young keepers (from the under 19 sides etc) ang groom them to be a part of India A sides. Continuing with discards such as Karthik in India A sides is a waste of opportunities.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2011, 0:53 GMT)

Maybe Richie should put on his pads and show the youngsters how to do it. Traditionally, WI batsmen have been fair at best against spinners. The reason is clear: we've never had a bunch of top notch spinners plying their trade simultaneously to allow our batsmen to get good practice. Neither do we have dancers (batsmen who dance down the wicket to the slowmen). They're all afraid of getting stumped. Our batsmen have been fed mostly a diet of fastmen and that explains too why we play pace much better than spin. With one exception, traditional Caribbean wickets have aided the pacers first and foremost. Sammy's bowling & captaincy left much to be desired during India's innings. Edwards & Chanderpaul should score well on this track. Not sure about Bravo or Samuels who don't always use the grey matter when batting. Bravo backs out too far to cut. We make the Indian spinners look like world beaters when in fact, they're not. Common sense application will do the trick. Hope we can save the FO

Posted by SpartaArmy on (November 16, 2011, 0:27 GMT)

@lyer: What a suggestion, mate!!! wish our financial ministers are half as acumen as you are. Who is that "some one else" ?? is it some one in your street or next ? because PP, KD and WS are clearly out of context. I think Dhoni is the third highest run getter in that disaster ENG series (with luck ofcourse, as you specified) and has more TEST AVG than any other contemporary WK'S in INDIA , but who knows, some other new player could have reached top (lyer mustr have calculated the probablity by now, and it should be far better than having dhoni as WK).I am ready to support you, if you can name the REPLACEMENT.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2011, 0:05 GMT)

I don't know why India made so many runs. 400 is enough for both innings of WI batting.

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Posted by yocasi on (November 15, 2011, 23:01 GMT)

Mr./Mrs. Maroon 11, do you notice that after each game, the number of people questioning Sammy's place in the team is getting less? The reason? He is consistently one of our best bowlers and he has started to score runs now. When last did Windies play 11 tests and lost just 3? Moreover, when last did Windies win 2 tests in a calender year? Seems like you just want the malcontents back to destroy the little progress we've been making of late.

Posted by SRT_GENIUS on (November 15, 2011, 21:33 GMT)

@Iyer: So you are saying that if Dhoni doesn't get runs, he should be fired. If gets runs, he is probably lucky and should be fired anyway. I am guessing you are a DK fan ? Well, your bias is showing mate..

Posted by Nampally on (November 15, 2011, 21:24 GMT)

@Iyer: Dhoni is the best WK/Batsmen India has ever produced. His record as a Captain speaks for itself. Except for the debacle in England which was mainly caused by absence of Sehwag & Gambhir at the opening spot & even when they were present they were half fit. If India had got a good opening start, India would have played evenly with England.Many call this an excuse but if you look at the figures, when India get a good start, the Fab 3 come into their own. Dhoni is a fine attacking batsman like Sehwag who can tear the bowling to shreds and play a responsible long innings when required. I think he will even give Aussies some head aches with his stroke play. So we don't need to doubt Dhoni's place in the Indian team both as a batsman/WK & Captain. He certainly needs a break before the Aussie tour because he over plays himself. That is one comment against him, if I have anything to say.Dhini may end up as all time greats in WK/Batting Captain of India. That is my say on MSD!.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (November 15, 2011, 20:38 GMT)

@IYER : flawed comments. For performing at the international level, you need to perform better at the home-circuit. At present all of them are pathetic. Dhoni HAS played many great knock overseas in tests, just check his batting innings list! And he is such player who can be in any team on captaincy alone. Did you notice the demeanour with which he carried himself throughout that 4-0 drubbing in england...he never let our country down during that phase..moreover in swinging conditions in ODIs he was the man of the series when rest all were struggling..have you forgot how he saved the test match in england in 2007 with a 80 odd of 160 balls? He is one of the best things ever happened to Indian cricket...and it will be a sad day when he quits any form of cricket. Finally, THANK GOD you are not the selector :P Enjoy the match mate!!

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 20:22 GMT)

In a chat with a friend an amusing comment was made. My friend attributed the WI batters inability to play spin to the current dance forms perform in the WI, where the emphasis is on upper body movement( waist upward). Stand & deliver, a form that Gayle has successfully intro into his play. Most young people in the Caribbean cannot Waltz, hence limited foot movement, heavy legs. I know Shiv can waltz, his old WI colleagues taught him. Can Gibbo waltz?

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (November 15, 2011, 20:11 GMT)

As an India fan, here is some advice to the awesome WI batters. Use your feet when facing the spinners. It will be so good to see a strong reposite from WI and keep fans interested.

Posted by Scgboy on (November 15, 2011, 20:01 GMT)

Richie Richardson is mouthing the right ideas, but it has to be brought into action.

Posted by Burbon on (November 15, 2011, 19:59 GMT)

Bring back Christopher Gayle .....PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (November 15, 2011, 18:36 GMT)

I donno what happened to Brathwaite's wicket but Indians had more than this feeling when many of Indian wickets were lost because of bad DRS decisions. By the way Indian players are not worst at pace bowling but they are not as good as at spin bowling. Recent ENG series is the worst ever series for Indian team but there were many external factors that affected their performance besides to their incapability of handling pace bowling. Before this ENG series India had good experience in all countries like WI, ENG, NZ, AUS etc. However recent ENG series is good lesson to learn for Indian team.

Posted by Iyer on (November 15, 2011, 18:30 GMT)

A word of caution. I don't want Indian supporters and selectors to be carried away by this knock of Dhoni. If one carefully analyze dhoni's track record and technical skills wrt batting, he would be a big flop in Australia. Dhoni is suited to bat only in sub-continent conditions. I bet he won't score even one century in Australia (unless he throws his bat as if he is batting ODI and turns out lucky). If I had the authority to select the team for australia tour, I would drop dhoni for test matches. I know most of you guys by now would be yelling if not Dhoni who would be the captain and wk? It is time we try someone else other than Dhoni. May be he could outperform Dhoni. We won't know the outcome unless we try. We got nothing to lose by dropping Dhoni from overseas test squad. Also this would give Dhoni some time to take rest and spend some quality time with his wife. We need to preserve Dhoni, and Dhoni is more suited for games played in subcontinent and ODI's / T20's

Posted by Rahulbose on (November 15, 2011, 18:21 GMT)

I sure hope they don't go and throw their wickets trying to show "intent". Best possibility of taking wickets on this track is when batsmen are playing attacking shots. Also, Eden Gardens is a results pitch. There have been only 2 draws in the last two decades. So WI better get their runs in the first inngs.

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 17:57 GMT)

@ Godfrey ..u right on the button, batsmaen need to know how to use their feet against spin, unless you are a big hitter like Gayle and get away with it mainly because the bowler never really gets to settle...This is where Sarwan comes in..finding the gaps, pick up singles rotate the strike and put away the poor deliveries.. Let's see how things pan out tomorrow..Good luck W.I ..Rally round the W.I

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 17:56 GMT)

A wd on Roach's bowling. U need to out fox a batter to get him out, which means u use yr brain. Roach's bowling looks very mechanical, run up & deliver. Two no balls in 10mins is not unfortunate, it's unacceptable. They can very will cause us the match. The no balls came because he was striving for xtra pace. When u r fit, u don't need to ext yr stride to generate xtra pace, yr body coordination does that. Maybe Roach was tired, hence not very fit. Or was it the humidity?

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 17:32 GMT)

Come on you guys who are saying that the umpiring is going to cost WI the game..hahaha...WI has to prove they are worth being in the top 10 teams..i mean if by now they cant play spin then that says alot of the system of the board the coaching i mean...countries like Ireland n the rest are breathing down so fast n if WI cant do any better then all hope is lost for their cricket n some of the talent they have..i bet Bravo wont last the mile..he will get tired of concentrating against spin n he will throw away his wicket...just like all the other bats men...nway i want to believe this will be a draw if WI up their game!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 17:02 GMT)

It's ok to talk about being positive, that is the head part,which has to be converted to action, which calls for ability. Some of our players have very limited stroke play, hence r unable to rotate the strike which is important in playing spin. To rotate u need to find gaps,to find gaps u need to have stroke play. Batting is a very complicated art, & unless u have most of the requirements u will not be successful. Lloyd & Gayle got away with it because they r powerful strikers, Shiv can find the gaps, our boys will have to find the gaps. GOOD LUCK GUYS.

Posted by Nampally on (November 15, 2011, 16:26 GMT)

Playing the spinners requires good footwork and ability to spot the balls correctly. Ashwin bowls Off spin, Carrom Ball & Doosra. How many of the WI batsmen have played a carrom ball bowlers before? Ojha is orthodox left hand spinner who varies his flight & beats you with an arm ball. These 2 are going to be handful because both are very accurate. You can say it is batting wicket but so was Kotla wicket on the first day where Ojha & Ashwin capture 9 wkts. between them in the first innings.So Richardson can say what he wants. It is cricketers who are performing there and they are not used to spinners on any track. It will be tough for WI to avoid follow on.It is not easy to hit these spinners without taking risks. Unfortunately Dhoni dropped Rahul Sharma again. If he played instead of Yuvraj, WI would have been in real trouble facing his leg spinners.India batted brilliantlyto amass such a huge total with fine centuries from Dravid, VVS & MSD. Now Bowlers do your job to take 20 Wkts.

Posted by Maroon11 on (November 15, 2011, 16:14 GMT)

I say WI will be bowled out, forced to follow on and get bowled out again without making 631 in there two innings combined. Shiv will top score in both innings and he will also be left not out. Everyone for some reason credits Sammy with alot. The man just cannot justify his position on the team...hes a slow bowler and opening the bowling...sigh. get rid of Sammy and bring back Gayle, Sarwan and Bravo and you good. BTW i bet Samuels dont make more than 34 runs combined...i'm feeling like nostradamus today...

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 15:33 GMT)

The Record have shown that W.I are the worst test team apart from Bangladesh that have a very low success rate against spin since Brian Lara exit from Cricket...This is a very serious concern.. The WICB and the Coaching staff need to do something urgently about this..I think Bishoo and Shillingford need to bowl to them more in the nets...

Posted by UglyIndian on (November 15, 2011, 15:12 GMT)

So far, its been almost as one-sided a contest as was England vs India a couple of months ago. Having said that, West Indies have been on the receiving end of some ordinary umpiring as well. Roach's no-balls were his own fault, but after a close LBW appeal against Tendulkar that wasn't upheld on day 1 (not that it did too much damage), poor Brathwaite coping it towards the end of the day's play was rather unfair. Had technology been available to the umpires (and not just the flood-lit variety), that decision would have been overturned. For me, the most revealing confession came from Sanjay Manjrekar in the post-day's play discussion, who confessed that the Indian players knew that Brathwaite hadn't knicked it (he wouldn't know for sure if they knew, but then Brathwaite, really hadn't knicked it), but decided to appeal based on the sound of the bat hitting the ground. I wouldn't call it cheating, but knowing that there are no referrals,it does make one wonder. Wonder why no DRS?

Posted by prashkannam on (November 15, 2011, 15:10 GMT)

come australia...and duncan fletcher will say the reverse indian batters have to show intent against pace!!!

Posted by   on (November 15, 2011, 15:09 GMT)

We have to be more than positive but when u have umpires giving away our wickets like free gifts as in Brathwaite what helpdo we have. We're already facing a mountain and then they go giving our wickets to India...DRS or machines to call all decisions period

Posted by ramps_wi on (November 15, 2011, 15:04 GMT)

we need GAYLE to chase a score like this...... the writing is on the wall here for an innings defeat. I guess Gibson and Sammy already prepared the post match speech identifying and learning from the positives of the game. Will WI eva win again

Posted by FlaminSolds on (November 15, 2011, 14:45 GMT)

KB et all cannot block all day. Be positive otherwise the Indian spinners will sit on your head.. Take Chandrapauls approach and get on with it.

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