India v West Indies, 4th ODI, Indore

Form hunt continues for Sehwag and Gambhir

Neither has played a significant innings since the World Cup, and India will hope they can find runs before boarding the flight to Australia

Sidharth Monga

December 7, 2011

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Virender Sehwag and Gautam Gambhir at a net session on the eve of the first ODI against West Indies, Cuttack, November 28, 2011
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India's defeat in Ahmedabad was their first in 12 home ODIs, three short of the record created by Sri Lanka in 1996 and 1997. It's ODI cricket, you can lose to anybody, and streaks are understandably difficult to sustain. Still it was neither desirable nor expected that after three matches India could easily have been 2-1 down, or even 3-0, if only because of how easily they tamed their tormentors from the summer, England, in the return tour. The incredible belief that India carry into every home ODI - never mind the conditions - was tested thoroughly, and finally snapped in the third match.

West Indies might not seem as good on paper, but they have a larger number of dynamic players in their ODI squad than England do. After coming close in the first two ODIs, they eventually managed to put together a good enough team effort to topple India in Ahmedabad. India's problems have centred on the middle phase of the games, spread across both innings. Bowling first in all the games, they have failed to clean up the tail, and leaked runs generously in the end overs - 106 in the last 10 in Vizag, and 52 in the last three in Ahmedabad. In the first 10 overs of all matches put together, India have lost nine wickets, leaving Rohit Sharma a lot to do in company of the middle and lower-middle order.

The first part of the problem is not new to Indian ODI cricket, and is all the more expected given the inexperienced attack and captain. Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Abhimanyu Mithun and Vinay Kumar are all raw, and have bowed length balls once too often. "The last five overs did not make much of a difference as they have good hitters and we were expecting them to fire in the series," Virender Sehwag said. "They batted well, we tried everything - slow, back-of-a-length, good length, yorkers - but they connected [with] everything."

India will be more concerned with what has been happening immediately after the West Indies innings. Sehwag and Gautam Gambhir are yet to produce a single big innings since the World Cup, and have scored only 62 runs in six innings between them in this series. Of the two, Sehwag has always been an inconsistent ODI player, but Gambhir has been the big miss this series. Additionally, since his comeback to the national side, Parthiv Patel has failed to covert starts. It is a phase Dinesh Karthik went through when he was the back-up for MS Dhoni. Today, he is not even one of the top three keepers in the selectors' minds.

Sehwag conceded that the three needed to show up. "We have to look at our top order," he said. "We have to click and fire. We have to give a good start as a team so that we can achieve any target or set any target for the West Indies in the coming games.

"It is not only Raina who is not scoring runs. It is myself, Parthiv and Gautam too. Only Rohit and Kohli are scoring. We are top-order batsmen and it is our job to play well and give a good start. We need to look back at our batting performances. We are playing good cricket since sometime, but today [in Ahmedabad] we were not able to play well. We hope to do well and not let down our fans."

It is difficult to not look at Australia when considering the form of Sehwag and Gambhir, even though the latter has not been opening in ODIs, seemingly in order to accommodate Parthiv in the batting line-up. Both are one ordinary match away from going through 2011 without a Test century. India won't mind a couple of big partnerships from them and two easy wins before they go to Australia.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 16:38 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas.. dat sounds little like a "lame excuse".. Jus coz, few bashed Dravid, u need not pull other Legend down.. Going by ur logic, if all Sachin fanatics start bashing Dravid, and Dravid fanatics start bashing Sachin, then u very well know, Dravid will gain more haters than Sachin.. I do believe that, U want Dravid to b loved all over the world.. (I do definitely DO) So, ur logic might backfire.. If u hv noticed one of comment in some other column(as a reply to ur post), I said that "When u bash SRT for nothing, I tend to look for negatives of Dravid and to my surprise I am getting too many.." I was afraid, i could lose my respect towards the gr8 man(Dravid).. So, full stopped that nonsense logic of tackling u.. I want to njoy both these gr8s playing together for my beloved country.. Hope u got my point..

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 8, 2011, 14:15 GMT)

@NN, much respects and peace bro. My fist steps on Cricinfo boards have been pretty harsh with some jaw dropping and hurtful name calling of Dravid by Sachin fans. It is not an overstatement to say that the phrase Dravid Bashers is synonymous with Sachin Fanatics. Since then, I took it on me to focus my microscope and search-light on Sachin. And yeah @Karthik Raja, there's something Dravidesque about you that cools me down very easily. Yeah, all mates, peace :D

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 11:35 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas. Even though, u got milder in Sachin bashing, somewhere in ur mind u enjoy pulling SRT's legs wherever u find a chance. I am pretty sure u wont mind if Lara, Kallis, Dravid or Punter for that case opts for such selective matches to make themselves available for longer period of time. U wud hv had a different theory then. Its all in ur MIND dear.. Else, hw can u stamp some1 who came back to play WC for his nation, the very next day after performing last rights for his father as a "SELFISH". If it was Dravid, u wud hv mentioned it at least 100 times by now.. One thing that SRT has LEAST achieved in his long cricket journey is a tag called "match finisher". Note that, I didn't say "Match Winner". He has played many match winning knocks. Many other of his famous knocks hav gone in vain.. Means, he enjoyed less support frm his team mates than the so called "Match winners". Logically, there r no match winners in cricket(esp, batsmen). May b, time 4 u to think out of box. :)

Posted by Nnskrish on (December 8, 2011, 11:06 GMT)

@dravid gravitas nothing personal against you,,sorry if you have felt that way.....you can criticize sachin,, never said he is above criticism, but I just couldn't figure in what way he was he responsible for gambhir coming at one down in this series,,what you have suggested in your first comment is your own assumption as no one from team management or capt or anyone said it is bcoz of sachin gambhir is coming 1 down in this series,,,, so all that I am saying is your assumption may be wrong as you don't know what happens in the dressing room....all I am saying is we can only judge someone by their performance but not on what we might think is going through their mind bcoz of someone else....human mind is very complicated..even for you to judge.

Posted by VinodGupte on (December 8, 2011, 11:04 GMT)

this handle drXX_XXs has only one agenda and that is to make SRT look bad somehow. he will bend out of shape, make asinine comments, won't back up his claim with the facts with only one item on his agenda. don't feed the troll. his today's gem is that gambhir is better as an opener in ODIs than SRT. and gambhir is being wasted at #3. hahahahaha.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 10:32 GMT)

Gambhir scored 3 fifties of the four innings he played in SA in Tests. After that, Gambhir has been bit shady in tests, but how can one question his form in ODI's. He scored four fifties in world cup ( including one that won us the cup) averaging around 45. He was the second highest run scorer for India in WC. Currently against England, he scored couple of half-centuries. How can you question his place in ODI's when he's still at 12 in ICC ODI rankings. As for Tests, if there can be any replacement for Gambhir( with an average of 48) in Tests, go for it. But before that first find a good replacement for No. 6 . After trying Badrinath, Yuvraj, Kohli, Raina, Pujara.....still Ganguly's replacement has not been found, and people talk about dsturbing a reputed pair of openers. Give me one name who has performed fairly well in absence of any of these two. Sum one said Jaffer??? Lolz

Posted by satish619chandar on (December 8, 2011, 10:16 GMT)

They got it right today.. This is what was missing.. Bat first without any pressure and responsibility :-)

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 9:40 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas.. Yes.. I can observe the slightest change in ur recent comments abt Sachin..:)) Even I am one of the Sachin fans which u mentioned.. The difference between myself and them might b - I hv read ur other comments which has u earned some respect frm me.. I am damn sure, that most of the Sachin fans u come across will b d ones who followed Indian cricket since 90s.. Only they knw the worth of Sachin to Indian cricket.. back to ur point.. U can call thm convenient exits r wtever.. Bt, it surely helps Team's cause.. And none of his comebacks r untimely.. Every1 can predict wt ODIs will he play.. He plays only big ODIs and he has done justice to his comeback every time.. Coz of wt he has done to Indian cricket, he can afford for such cushion.. Few (including u) may belittle wt he has done to Indian cricket, bt many cricketing legends including OUR fav Dravid knws it.. U can better check wid him(Dravid).. :))

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 9:13 GMT)

Like your views .....................................................................

Posted by Nnskrish on (December 8, 2011, 8:58 GMT)

@Dravid gravitas blaming sachin for the failure of gambhir is simply not correct...and sachin can have his rest periods as he wishes because he is the god just kiddin haha....nothing wrong with it because he wants to extend his career and he playing in the tough series where we require his services to win not like he is skipping the hard ones and playing easy ones.....which is more important and gambhir is not new to no.3 as you are suggesting that he will face difficulties to adjust and infact he has scored better at no.3 (marginally)than as an openor

Posted by Nnskrish on (December 8, 2011, 8:43 GMT)

@ Dravid gravitas sachin was the second highest scorer in the world cup and please remember that it is a tournament not a one match shoot out(not demeaning gambhirs brilliant innings in any way) and he sort of semi-retired from Odis playing only imp matches like he played Odis recently with only south Africa...thought we were talking about his place in the Odis and how many did he play in England??....and parthiv coming as an openor because of sachin who is not even in the team?? that is ridiculous mate ,, parthiv has opened all the innings in eng that may be the reason for coming as an openor,as gambhir has done well at no.3 better than at no.1, the decision is taken by the team management not sachin.... he doesn't disturb the balance of an ODI team infact he enhances it many of his team mates said it including yuvi after winning the world cup...and Gambhir knows his place is safe in the side it's not like he is sacrificing his place for sachin...

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 8:43 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas.. While u agree that Sachin deserves a place in XI, then the best spot for him will be to open the innings.. No argument abt that.. Hope u wud also agree that Sachin on any day a better player than Gambhir.. And he deserves some respect.. Its not abt disturbing Team combination.. When a better player occupies ur slot, there is nothing wrong in changing ur position.. If it has been Vijay r Mithun, they wud b asked to stay out of XI.. Gambhir is too good to b left of XI.. Btw, I dont think there is much diff in first 3 slots, esp in ODIs.. Speaking of WCs.. If u dont rem, I hv to remind u that Sachin has come in middle order in 3 of his 6 WC appearances.. U could see the difference in his performance and the Team's performance overall, 4 urself.. Its a proven fact that Sachin opening the game will do good for both him and the Team, whether u believe it r not doesn't matter..

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 8, 2011, 8:20 GMT)

@Karthik Raja, much respects to you bro. I just expressed how the team balance and mentality/approach of a player (Gambhir) will get disturbed with this continuous chopping and changing because of Sachin's convenient exits and untimely entries. KR and NN started bashing me full blast, tornado style. What do I do? Is Sachin above criticism or what? Never figured out why some Sachin fans get worked up so easily ;) unlike you...:)) Nothing personal against Sachin. Purely CRICKETING.....But I've mellowed down a lot. Didn't I? Took your advise seriously :D

Posted by muski on (December 8, 2011, 7:40 GMT)

For the Indian batsmen its not loss of form. Its lack of application or bad umpiring that is not helping their cause. Cant blame a newly married man like Gambhir who should ideally be honeymooning and not playing cricket. The live and die by the sword approach of Sehwag is going to cost him the place in Indian ODI squad sooner or later. The only remaining interest in this series is to see how the younger Pathan is going to make a comeback. If he does well, it augurs well for Indian Cricket. We need a genuine all rounder which Sir Ravindra Jadeja has been flattering- only to deceive from time to time.

Posted by face2faceuni on (December 8, 2011, 7:22 GMT)

@Mithun2880 its better ask your board and team to fix a series with Pakistan instead lending your players to Sri Lanka.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 8, 2011, 6:47 GMT)

@Kreacher_Rocks, I agree with you. India won the world cup because Sachin opened with Sehwag and scored a magnificent 90. Oh wait! Gambhir it was who scored a 90 or so. I'm not so good at numbers. So, may be you can tell me the exact numbers. No, don't tell me Gambhir's numbers. It doesn't matter; we won because Sachin opened with Sehwag! Listen, nobody is saying Sachin doesn't deserve a place in the ODI Squad. But he walks-in happily from his 'convenient rest' periods and disturbs the team combination. @Nirad_N, I didn't play any professional sport but I can imagine what it takes to prepare in a certain way; only to see that another player comes-in and takes over that spot and now this guy has to go to a different mindset all over again. Who raised the questions on Sachin's flexibility?? Many! During the English summer! Did you just come out of your aestivation (summer sleep)? Good bro. Now smell some coffee too!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 6:39 GMT)

Dravid_Gravitas is always level headed in his opinions.. Bt.. all of a sudden, his sense will fail whn it comes abt Sachin.. Donno y.. May b he has some personal conflicts with Sachin.. Purely PERSONAL.. :))

Posted by ricky_3007 on (December 8, 2011, 6:38 GMT)

Sehwag has scored only 250 odd runs in 9 innings after world cup in tests and Gambhir has scored only 289 odd runs in 11 iniings after the world cup in tests so the average is so poor as low as 25 and 29 for them . This is not at all good for an opener going to Aus tour....the fresh pace battery from OZ will literally rip them apart if they do not fire in Aus...Jaffer was a safer bet here?? considering these 2 are struggling ? They have to show in last 2 ODIs that they are still eligible to go to Aus or Indian is in big deep trouble down under... Failure of these 2 will put additional pressure on the HOLY Trinity(ST,RD,VVS) . Sachin will be under pressure already to complete 100th ton there and as usual the pressure has to be carried by RD and VVS...Sehwag - Gambhir...India needs your fire power play in Aus badly to beat Aussies...This is the best chance to show aussies what Indians are and become again No.1..All the best

Posted by Pathiyal on (December 8, 2011, 5:59 GMT)

there was an apparant lack of depth in Indian bowling as well as batting - giving away wickets to loose balls. at the same time, it is impressive to notice Windies going up in standards with each performance, in ODIs and tests with India. their body language looking more positive with each outing. the current forms of Sehwag and Gautam are disappointing to say the least and the latter seemed to be having a bit of fitness issue. Sehwag, as always is not doing a good job as a captain. the inform batsman Rahane has been totally neglected here and Parthiv has been given enough chance. he is just not sticking around.

Posted by chandy86 on (December 8, 2011, 5:58 GMT)

@joby-george, i like your comment mate.well said.why don't they watch their team's performance rather than watching others.

Posted by Leggie on (December 8, 2011, 5:39 GMT)

Gautam Gambhir's poor form since the World Cup was for all to see - except the selectors. Instead of playing this one-day series, he must have been sent back to playing Ranji trophy and at least get his confidence up once again. Even if Gambhir scores a 100 in the next 2 ODIs, it will still be meaningless since these are ODIs whereas when India take on Australia it would be the Test matches. Also when Ajinkya Rahane is in such a good form - he must have been persisted with. As the author rightly summarized, the series could have so easily been 0-3 with India down and out - the blame squarely going on the batters.

Posted by kurups on (December 8, 2011, 5:27 GMT)

Am a big fan of Viru..but he should be out of one day side if he continues to perform like this. Rohit and Kohli are the real future of Indian cricket if they can fine tune their technique...Gambhir (a la Phil Hughes now!) will be cleaned up in Australia..Laxman, dravid are the ony ones who might do a decent job..maybe Viru if he can think sensibly..prediction - whitewash 3-0 to Oz or 2-0 with rain interruptions!! really hope I am terribly wrong!!

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 5:25 GMT)

leav parthi, just take raina veeru and gowthi, they are excellent player no other word sometimes bad form will put down the player, and i hope they will come back in 4th odi. good luck india.

Posted by mithun2880 on (December 8, 2011, 5:10 GMT)

@Asanka Dilruk Namal : Don't think too much abt the Indian Team and the status. Think abt the Srilankan team where they keep going back too not even a Club level batsmen at India level to Chamara Silva and Chamara Kapugedara. And 90% of the times your so called injured allrounder Angelo Mathews. You can borrow our players like Badrinath n Uthappa from the bench to compete with team like Pakistan where they literally screwed Srilanka big time ...hahaha

Posted by sweetspot on (December 8, 2011, 5:00 GMT)

For cricket's sake, I am happy to see the WI resurgence. I love the way they play their cricket and I want them to win more. With India, I just get by their attitude on the field that Sehwag is not leading with gusto or imagination. There is no form problem as far as I can see, when Gambhir chooses the same manner to get out in, and Sehwag doesn't waste even one opportunity to offer a chance to the opposition. His mind is elsewhere. Let's not talk about Raina, please. He is one fantastic player, and you cannot expect him to score runs every time, when he comes in so low down the order. Why can't Sehwag choose to bat first? The Indian batting can really have a go, and bat freely. Why is Viru choosing to field because of the same reason, dew, all the time?

Posted by Rahul_78 on (December 8, 2011, 4:41 GMT)

Bravo Indian selectors...A reluctant Sehwag has been made captain and a willing Gambhir has been ignored. What was the logic? Both are equally important for the Indian team. Knowing the sort of feisty chap and competitor Gambhir is he must not have taken the decision kindly. It is quite possible that both are just out of form for cricketing reason but there was no need to create this mess by selectors.

Posted by Joby_George on (December 8, 2011, 4:29 GMT)

@Asanka - pls remember that srilanka is yet to win a test match in india, where as we defeated you many times in srilanka. Also, has SL ever won a test match in Aus, SA or even in new zealand? . Shame shame puppy shame

Posted by Ashar8983 on (December 8, 2011, 4:28 GMT)

dont worry guys....he w,ll hammer aussie attack in aus. so no need to panik...just wait n watch...eagarly waiting oz tour.

Posted by Joby_George on (December 8, 2011, 4:25 GMT)

India should have batted after winning the toss in all the previous matches. At least the batsmen can bat freely and score some runs and find form rather than chasing in day/night matches. Shewag is not a sharp captain. Dhoni is the real leader.

Posted by here2rock on (December 8, 2011, 4:23 GMT)

Why non performing players have permanent position in the Indian line up, Shewag, Gambhir and Parthiv. They have failed consistently over the last few months. I thought representing your country was a privilege not a right. How can they keep playing with no responsibility and get picked again and again?

Posted by Ashar8983 on (December 8, 2011, 4:19 GMT)

dont worry guys....he w,ll hammer aussie attack in aus. so no need to panik...just wait n watch...eagarly waiting oz tour.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 4:17 GMT)

should wi hold on to their catches they will win this series.

Posted by duraimadhu on (December 8, 2011, 3:59 GMT)

Take out Parthiv and please in Dinesh Karthik or Robin Uthappa (who can bat well and keeping too)

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 3:52 GMT)

Why parthiv opens the innings? Parthiv should be drop to no 7. He is gifting his wicket cheaply, it creates pressure. Gambir should open with sehwag.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2011, 3:11 GMT)

Gambir shd b rested for sometime.Afterall India has a lot of batting potential nd many players of KOHLI standard waiting for their turn.Then why to stick with Gambir type of players who perform once in a blue moon nd then it is heard he is player with bad temper on the field.

Posted by Nnskrish on (December 8, 2011, 3:11 GMT)

@dravid gravitas question marks raised on sachin hmm...who is raising them u???....have u been in the Indian dressing room or what how are you making such assumptions .......blaming someone who is not even in the team , for management issues.....the call is up to sehwag and team management not sachin......haha have you ever played professional sport???

Posted by gzawilliam on (December 8, 2011, 1:57 GMT)

@swwastik123 - your exactly right there. Even if he's 20 off 50 balls he can still make a run a ball hundred.

Posted by Nampally on (December 8, 2011, 1:21 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas: If Sachin wants to open the innings in Australian ODI's it is fine. But for now Gambhir must open with Sehwag & prove that he deserves a place in XI. These 2 are scheduled to open the Indian innings in FOUR Test matches. Prepare them for the task ahead & worry about OZ ODI's later. The way Gambhir is batting, he is unlikely to be in the XI in the ODI's in OZ.He is jeopardizing even his opening spot in the Tests. Rehane or Dravid may take the opening spot from Gambhir, unless he scores big in the next 2 ODI's.There is something called responsibile batting, which Gambhir, Sehwag, Parthiv & Raina have abandoned & sooner or later they are going to be penalized. They are on the verge of Strike 3.There is keen competition for each batting spot & every body needs to score to justify his place. How can Gambhir expect a place in XI when his stats in last 8 ODI's are so poor? Mukund, Uthappa, Dhawan are in form in Ranji games.One of them might join the OZ squad - as 18th.

Posted by Kreacher_Rocks on (December 8, 2011, 1:05 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas, I agree with you. After all, Gambhir opened with Sehwag in the WC and India won. Oh wait, that was Sachin opening with Sehwag. Never mind, Gambhir still averages more while opening than while going one down. Oh wait, his opening figures are 2546@40.4, less than his 1-down figures 1695@42.37. Never mind, his opening figures are better than SRT's. Oh wait, SRT's opening figures are 14995@48.8. Wake up and look at the facts - GG is a better player at 1-down. And for the record GG has played mostly opening or 1-down (a 3:2 split) and has rarely been dropped - so much for being "chopped and changed". Stop whining about SRT even when he is not in a discussion. SRT still merits a position in the ODI team on form alone. The only reason newcomers get a chance is because SRT opts to rest. Let them prove themselves worthy of replacing SRT permanently, then come back with your gripes.

Posted by Farce-Follower on (December 8, 2011, 0:38 GMT)

Sehwag and Gambhir should have been on the early flight to Oz to get acclamatised. If they continue to score attractive 30s and 40s, the burden on Dravid and gang would be too much. 5 days of Test cricket is no joke.

Posted by playitstraight on (December 8, 2011, 0:30 GMT)

Viru once said during the WC 2011 that he wanted to bat for 50 overs, and he almost did. He batted 47.3 overs and scored a blazing 175 off 140 balls against Bangladesh. All he has to do is stay at the crease for the first 10 overs or so, taking the new ball's effect away. After that, life will get easy for him and he can start his boundary hitting. Even if he is some 20-odd of 40-odd balls in first 10 overs, it is completely fine because he is the type of batsmen who can score boundaries at ease. Gauti needs to do the same, except he needs to rotate the strike more often than Viru, because boundaries do not come so easily for him like for Viru. Parthiv Patel (PP) needs to convert starts into big scores. The previous match, it seemed as if he was taking the game away with a very elegant 39 off 35-odd balls, but he just lost it. His average is 25 in ODI and 29 in Tests. Hopeless. Anyways, hopefully batting can improve and good luck India!!!!

Posted by bala0131 on (December 7, 2011, 22:27 GMT)

Sehwag needs to try a different order on top. Maybe open with Gambhir and Parthiv with him following. Once they start getting some runs, go back to old order. Whatever they do, do not disturb Kohli and Rohit positions in the line up.

Posted by usernames on (December 7, 2011, 22:09 GMT)

Sehwag needs to stick to the crease for 15 overs. Rest will take care of itself.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 21:53 GMT)

Sehwag has not played a match winning knock in the last 12 months . He failed badly in south africa then in the world cup scored a century against BD and against SA he was dropped at first slip before he scored a fifty . After that in england he scored nothing . In this series, test and odis, he has been getting himself out by trying to play big shots.

Posted by TRAM on (December 7, 2011, 20:43 GMT)

ya, Sehwag & Gambhir are great players .. *one day* they will score great. At that time the world will realize, after all they are great players. Until then it is ok if India loses some 10 or 20 matches. But that one match will come. In that match India will crush the opponents like anything. After that it is ok again to lose another 10 or 20 matches ... keep worshiping the stars (players). If any TN player had performed half as worse as these players, they would have been kicked out.

Posted by ansram on (December 7, 2011, 20:33 GMT)

Sehwag has never been a good ODI bat. For a test batsman who scores at SR of 80 at an average of 53, ODIs should have been a stroll in the park. In test matches I think Sehwag plays with an air of caution ( by his standards) and manages both good score with a high strike rate. In ODI, he is too reckless. Sehwag should bat out 10 overs even if India were only 30-40 runs after 10. Once he gets his eye in, then God save the opposition. He can do it, but will he?

Posted by RandyOZ on (December 7, 2011, 20:32 GMT)

And they won't find form in Oz. Another king pair for Sehwag!

Posted by hhillbumper on (December 7, 2011, 20:29 GMT)

Sehwag is a great batsman? Only when he gets lucky and the pitch is flat. He was useless in tests for a while now.

Posted by S.Jagernath on (December 7, 2011, 19:43 GMT)

Parthiv Patel is a keeper & not a good enough batsen to be opening.The Sehwag & Gambhir pair was going fine,I can't understand why it did not resume when Sachin Tendulkar is not around.Sehwag's recklessness should be dealt with,the team management need to speak to him about it as it often exposes the middle order very early.Suresh Raina is technically very poor & seems complacent by the way he bats.Raina has been kept in the team as Dhoni is Raina's very close friend.Raina is not consistent enough and he bats in the middle order.Rohit Sharma seems to be improving in every game he plays,he is going to be very important in India's middle order and should be encouraged to join an English County to fine tune his technique.Ajinkya Rahane should be played ahead of Raina in these remaining games at #3,Parthiv should drop in to the middle order.Varun Aaron,Irfan Pathan & Abhimanyu Mithun(as he is going to Aus) should be their seamers and Rahul Sharma should get a game ahead of Ashwin.

Posted by Raj12345 on (December 7, 2011, 19:37 GMT)

Who is saying Shewag, Gambhir, Raina & Parthiv need to score runs. They will be in team as long as Dhoni & Chikka likes it.

DK is far better player in middle order, they spoiled his carrier by asking him to open innings. Just before he got dropped, mean 5 games before, he had good scores. He started paying well and converting to 40s & 50s on regular basis. But all of sudden they didn't select him.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 19:17 GMT)

@Asanka Dilruk Namal , stats say that the top 3 away averages are by Indians, on the other hand no Ski Lankan has a good away average! india has 3 over 54 away averages in test cricket! skilanka only has 2 in the 40s! speak for youself!

Posted by Vilander on (December 7, 2011, 19:12 GMT)

Indian bowling is very worrying, Aaron the only pacer, 2 spinners and medium pacer irfan and 1 slow bowler mithun.

Posted by Vilander on (December 7, 2011, 19:10 GMT)

Actually sehwag has an average of 35, he is more like srilankan or pakistani top order batsman not in the same class as other normal indian batsmen. But Gambir can do better.

Posted by Govind.Raghu on (December 7, 2011, 18:44 GMT)

Every individual has to have a defined role in a team. Back in the 80s in ODIs when Srikkanth played around Gavaskar, Vengsarkar and Amarnath he had the opportunity to play his kind of game which we can compare to that of what Sehwag's around Ganguly, Sachin and Dravid. Now with youngsters in the team Raina, Kohli, Rohit, Pathiv willing to bat that kind of role, does the team STILL expect the same game from Sehwag? If so, we have nothing to be concerned about. Sehwag's one day average did not suddenly go down. It has always been around the low to mid 30s. He will continue to play his one-off match winning knock and keep throwing his wicket taking chances. I am not comparing Sehwag to Srikkanth or his ability in ODIs and Tests etc etc. What does the team expect from him after 11 years of experience in ODIs with youngsters around him?

Posted by samincolumbia on (December 7, 2011, 17:57 GMT)

@Asanka - Are you talking about the Indian team or the Sri Lankan team? LOL.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 17:35 GMT)

nothing to speak about Indians they are home heroes away zeros

Posted by crickprof on (December 7, 2011, 17:35 GMT)

india should include dravid, laxman and tendulkar in ODI squad, they are the most experienced batsman and can tolerate the WI average bowling attack.

Posted by Rahulbose on (December 7, 2011, 17:34 GMT)

Sehwag is not out of form. He has just gone lazy again. It is a routine with him now to throw away his wicket trying to hit some mediocre bowler out of the park.

Posted by iitmfan on (December 7, 2011, 17:06 GMT)

raina has to be dropped,and west indies had played excellently,indian players had weakness against rampaul,they should attack before he settled,he had good record against india,we need not to even surprise if west indies won the series

Posted by monisammy on (December 7, 2011, 16:44 GMT)

VERY TRUE.. SEHWAG & GAMBHIR SHOULD OPEN(IF IS STILL PERSISTED WITH, HIGH TIME HE PAVES WAY FOR RAHANE OR TIWARI)... SOME ONE LIKE PARTHIV SHOULD NOT BE IN THE TEAM ITSELF.. IF AT ALL HE PLAYS AS AN WICKET KEEPER LET HIM COME AS A NO.11 BATSMAN..MISSING MY FAVS YUVI & DHONI..

Posted by Nampally on (December 7, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

Gambhir & Sehwag MUST open the innings in the 4th ODI. It is crazy policy to send Parthiv to open the innings with the 2 Indian scheduled openers in Australia are out of form & lack practice as openers. This is a major question which Sehwag & the Indian Selectors should ask themselves -WHY?.Parthiv is a WK & does not come into equation as a batsman.Second big question is Why is Rahul Sharma in the squad when his excellent talent as a leg spinner is wasted in an unplanned manner. Even WI have been more inventive including Narine in the last match. Bring in NEW talent when the existing one is not working.Play 3 spinners + 2 seamers (Irfan & Vinay).The beating that Yadev & Mithun took in the last 2 overs should be a lesson learnt. WI are good against pace but not against leg spin.In all 3 ODI's the WI tail wagged strongly!.Negate this with alternate bowling.Lastly Sehwag & Gambhir have all been out chasing wide balls or showing unnecessary aggression. Play responsibly like Rohit & Virat.

Posted by mrmonty on (December 7, 2011, 16:33 GMT)

It is funny how getting rested (ahemm... dropped) brings the form back.

Posted by zico123 on (December 7, 2011, 16:00 GMT)

Gambhir has to forget about his huge KKR IPL salary, captaincy desire and should concentrate on scoring hundreds in Test and ODI cricket, and try to win back Test cricketer of the year award, otherwise at this rate forget about captaincy, he will soon find himself out of the team. currently he is very inconsistent and throws away his wicket and on the field he is not a good fielder at all, pls get serious again Gambhir, don't waste your talent

Posted by zico123 on (December 7, 2011, 15:58 GMT)

how often Sehwag throws his wicket away after getting a start, no wonder his ODI average is mere 35 and he has only 14 ODI hundreds, for his talent his ODI average should have been atleast 40 with atleast 20 ODI hundreds, what a waste of talent, wonder when he would start playing long innings in ODIs

Posted by zico123 on (December 7, 2011, 15:56 GMT)

Irfan pathan, Mithun and Varun Aaron, Rahul Sharma should play, will give selectors and team management another look at them, rest Vinay Kumar and Ashwin

Posted by zico123 on (December 7, 2011, 15:56 GMT)

huge worry, Sehwag and Gambhir have to find form in the last 2 WI ODIs by scoring long innings, otherwise it will be better to play Ajinkye Rahane in place of one of the them come boxing day Australia test, going into a test match with 2 out of form opener will be a disaster, India might lose the test match for that one session, because India is a team who depends a lot on how good a start they get, once they get a good start, they can really build upon it.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

@CRICINFO. Are you guys over-awed by the senior Indian cricketers? You always handle their poor performance with kid gloves!

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

it seems everybody forgets that if sammy had taken those two simple catches india would have been bundled out for much less than 200.wi outplayed them in all of the odi games.wi was let down by dropped catches. should wi hold on to some of those catches india doesn't have a prayer in the next two games.they can bring in their reenforcement,who will they drop?kohli?sharma? who?they have their best team on the field now and they are getting their butt kicked

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:43 GMT)

Sehwag & Gambhir : The best, most fearsome, and effective openers in ODis for India, in recent history. Yes, history. In the past tense. In the present tense, they are something else. Now, they have become liabilities. Form is not the issue; ATTITUDE is! Hope, they prove me wrong in the 4th & 5th ODIs.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 7, 2011, 15:27 GMT)

I'm sure Sachin is going to play ODIs in Australia. That's why the successful pair of Sehwag and Gambhir is hopelessly broken and Gambhir is being made to get used to No.3 position. Sad. But looks like it. Pathiv is anyway a non-regular opener and it shouldn't be a problem to ask him to get lost (whether he plays well or not) once Sachin walks in, in Australia. But if Gambhir succeeds by opening now, it would be that much harder to ask him to go down the order, especially with so many question marks being raised on Sachin and his flexibility in the team. We know only somethings from this far. But the team must be privy to lot more things. The only other player who is chopped and changed so mercilessly after Dravid is Gambhir. If I were Gambhir I would definitely be pissed with Sachin that he takes my place after coming back from his 'convenient rest' periods though I and Sehwag have formed a dreaded pair for the opposition. Time for Sachin to stop playing on the nerves of team mates.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 15:26 GMT)

I dont understand people are creating too much about Sehwag/Gambhir. Both are big match players. Dont be concerned about their form and this is a rough patch even the great names have gone through. Once Sehwag starts playing his natural cricket, ultimately helps Gambhir too. Please dont forget his 90 knock in the crucial final.

Posted by Romenevans on (December 7, 2011, 15:09 GMT)

They did it to Bhajji by dropping him on the base of performance and form, time is ticking over, we'll see when it happens to Sehwag or do they even have guts to do that to him? Everybody is equal aren't they?

Posted by Romenevans on (December 7, 2011, 15:08 GMT)

Sehwag is the most over-rated slogger in the history of this game. Yeah, im an indian fan, still saying this because it is the truth, accept it or not. I'd rather play someone like rahane who value his wicket and scores 50-60 by taking some time to understand the pitch and condition, rather than sehwag who only knows one way which is "See and Whack = Sehwag" and i'm bored of it seeing it for 11 damn years now. I'd rather pay to watch Freddy bowling to Kallis in a nail bitter test match.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:39 GMT)

Maybe you are making too much of a 16 run defeat. You see the top order failures - I see the positive - the resilience of the bottom order. I loved how Mithun kept the spectators on their toes till the last bail was drawn. In the 1990s we would have never recovered from 109/6 to be just 3 shots close to the target. It is a pretty young team and some of the top guys are rested for Aussie tour. Also this defeat is a positive wakeup call to Sehwag, Gambhir and Raina before the big tour.

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:24 GMT)

wow thats our one record i never knew "three short of the record created by Sri Lanka in 1996 and 1997."

Posted by   on (December 7, 2011, 14:05 GMT)

I think it is important that Gambhir opens the innings with Sehwag. He often is a bundle of nerves batting at No.3; and unless it is Tendulkar and Sehwag opening, he shouldn't be made in that position. Moreover, Parthiv, who shouldn't be even playing with his form, is not even a regular opener. So I do not understand the rationale of him opening with Sehwag.

Posted by madras_boy on (December 7, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

Rules have to be the same for everyone playing for India. Non-Performers should be dropped and they cannot occupy the place just becos of historic records. I am a great fan of Sehwag and his blistering knocks to tame the fast bowlers early in the game. But he is no where near his previous form getting out cheaply for normal balls since the start of english season. The same applies to Gambhir as well. I could not see him play after the world cup finals. Dono what happened ! Probably time for Sehwag to give the mantle to Raina/Rohit/Kohli to allow Rahane to open the game. Also Gambhir should give way to Manoj Tiwary.

Anyway I am sure this wont happen and watch out for the scores of the great duo !!!

Posted by ssenthil on (December 7, 2011, 13:54 GMT)

Sehwag, better you start scoring instead of searching for excuse, you don't have any. You are never a GOOD ODI player always. Even in WC you had only 1 good fifty apart from minnow bashing against BD.

Posted by couchpundit on (December 7, 2011, 13:46 GMT)

First and foremost Shewag and Gambhir needs to open , why would you change a successful opening pair.

Put Parthiv Patel in No.3 or down the order.

Everything will fall in place. I dont understand why would you change a good opening Partners.

Most important Sehwag needs to forget he is captaining hte side when he bats...for a simple minded cricketer like sehwag, he should be free of such positions. Why dont they make gambhir captain?

Again BCCI/Selectors work in strange way, they are only planning to demoralise sehwag ahead of australian tour.

Posted by sankar8000 on (December 7, 2011, 13:39 GMT)

For Sehwag, sometimes this rough patch comes but when he finds his rhythm back it will be a Huge One! So don't worry too much....His Big Knock is round the corner......

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