India v West Indies, 1st Test, Kolkata, 2nd day

Rohit debut ton, Ashwin fifty lift India

The Report by Abhishek Purohit

November 7, 2013

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Manjrekar: Shillingford's bounce is the key

India 354 for 6 (Rohit 127*, Ashwin 92*, Shillingford 4-130) lead West Indies 234 by 120 runs
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Rohit Sharma hit a fifty on his Test debut, India v West Indies, 1st Test, Kolkata, 2nd day, November 7, 2013
Rohit Sharma: Century on Test debut after 108 ODIs © BCCI
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In his first Test, Rohit Sharma walked in at the early exit of Sachin Tendulkar, playing his penultimate and 199th Test. Two overs later, 82 for 4 became 83 for 5, with offspinner Shane Shillingford on a roll. Rohit, who five days ago made a double-century in an ODI against Australia, buckled down to become the 14th Indian to make a century on Test debut. He put on 73 first with his captain MS Dhoni, but it was his association with R Ashwin that transformed the game completely. India ended the day with a lead of 120, the unbroken seventh-wicket stand worth 198, and No. 8 Ashwin eight short of his second Test hundred.

This was a different version of Rohit from what has been on display over 108 ODIs. There were no cute strokes, there was no hitting his way out of pressure, there was plenty of leaving outside off. This was sensible batting, respecting the demands of the situation India had landed in against Shillingford. Ashwin, who came in at 156 for 6, matched his specialist batting partner on every count, be it solidity, strokeplay or elegance. The partnership visibly deflated West Indies, who would have rightfully eyed a sizeable lead in the morning.

Rohit took 13 deliveries to get his first runs in Test cricket, and they came via a pull to the long-leg boundary off a 145 kph short ball from fellow debutant Sheldon Cottrell. As he grew in confidence, there were glimpses of the touch he possesses. A back-foot drive against the pace of Tino Best, a cover drive against the turn of Shillingford. But what stood out was his back-foot defence against the spinners. The preceding India batsman had found dealing with spin tough, but Rohit had time to adjust. Shillingford's doosra, which had claimed Tendulkar and M Vijay, was dealt with calmly from deep in the crease, and barring an over after tea, Rohit was hardly bothered by the offspinner.

Barring the sweep against Shillingford, Rohit was unwilling to be too aggressive, and a nervous stay in the 90s beckoned. But Cottrell offered him a freebie on the pad, which was flicked for four. On 98 now, Rohit had some luck on the next ball to reach the landmark - a thick edge of an attempted drive flying to the third man boundary between slip and gully. There was no change in his approach after reaching the milestone as he batted safely till stumps.

Ashwin once again showed why he has such a high Test batting average for a No. 8. His shots would have done specialist batsmen proud. He was also absolutely certain about his defence, whether forward or back. He drove confidently against the spin without fuss, and used pace to steer and cut. He whipped the fast bowlers effortlessly through square leg, and towards the end, even walked down the pitch to casually slap Darren Sammy down the ground.

Before this partnership, Dhoni's 42 was crucial in breaking the hold Shillingford had gained. He drove the offspinner for successive fours before lunch the over after being put down on 12 by wicketkeeper Denesh Ramdin off Sammy. Dhoni hustled between the wickets like he does in ODIs, converting ones into twos and racing back for an overthrow. Sammy chose to give himself a few overs immediately after lunch instead of one of his quick bowlers, and West Indies, despite having sent back half the side, were not able to tie India down. Dhoni fell as soon Best was brought back on in the 52nd over with the changed ball, edging a clumsy drive to the keeper.

For a side that still had the upper hand, West Indies went flat quite soon, with the ball and in the field. Shillingford, who sent down 37 overs in the day, kept pegging away despite his workload, but the other spinner, Veerasammy Permaul, could not remotely trouble the batsmen. The replacement ball, a rather shiny one, also did not reverse as much as Mohammed Shami had managed with the changed ball when West Indies batted. The second new ball, taken after 87 overs, only came on better.

It was quite a comedown from the highs of the morning, when Shillingford rudely reminded India that there is more to this series than Tendulkar's farewell. In a versatile display of offspin bowling, Shillingford dismissed four batsmen, including Tendulkar for 10, albeit with some help from umpire Nigel Llong.

Often bowling with a scrambled seam, Shillingford got variable bounce and turn. India's batsmen were tentative, not sure what the ball was going to do. Shikhar Dhawan prodded casually from his crease and inside-edged Shillingford on to his stumps in the third over of the day. Vijay walked cluelessly past a doosra and was stumped. Cheteshwar Pujara fell trying to ramp the sharp Cottrell, who was to slow down considerably in the evening.

Tendulkar was uncertain against Shillingford as well, even though he drove him for two boundaries past midwicket. He was soon hit on the back thigh pad as he failed to read a doosra. Umpire Llong raised the finger after some thought, even as side-on views showed the ball would have gone over, something Tendulkar indicated to his team-mates as he walked into the dressing room.

In Shillingford's next over, Virat Kohli was given out caught at forward short leg. India were 83 for 5 now, but Rohit and Ashwin weren't about to give in.

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Posted by Harmony111 on (November 8, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

@LillianThomson:

You don't get it it seems.

The point is not merely that DRS is not flawless although for a system whose one component alone costs 50,000 USD per test should be.

The point is that no one asked for it. There is no grasp even amongst its supporters about the "why" question.

When DRS fails to show some minor edge or fails to predict the path correctly due to less initial data, we are told that DRS is for howlers only and not for these faint cases. If so then howlers can be dealt with using a simple referral using Slo-Mo + Common Sense, why waste money on DRS then?

If DRS is meant for the minutest of cases then why did it fail to show Haddin's edge in Ashes (T1 4I IIRC) ? DRS fails on that count regularly.

Another point is, how do you say DRS improves umpiring to 98% levels? What is the benchmark for this? Who decides that 'this' DRS referral was correct? Who says that predicted path for 'this' case was correct ?

Has DRS been tested rigorously? Pls show the report.

Posted by Hetdave19 on (November 8, 2013, 5:50 GMT)

The other bowlers that are being mentioned like Irfan, Gillespie were dropped because they started concentrating more on their batting. Chappell was interested in making Irfan a better batsman than a better bowler. Such is not the case with Ashwin. He is focussed on his bowling and bats as he like.....

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 8, 2013, 5:31 GMT)

Look what DRS has done to standards of umpiring. They are so used to technology that they are now messing straightforward decisions. Imagine if Rohit had git that decision at 0.

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 8, 2013, 5:25 GMT)

@VivFan : Sir, the team which is not the best in the world, in any format, faaaar from it @ 453 unexpectedly, has not finished very far from the score of 500.

Posted by Bokesh on (November 8, 2013, 5:22 GMT)

One more victim of bad umpiring !!! really pathetic to see and digest such bad decisions.

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 8, 2013, 5:22 GMT)

@noitsnothim_itsme: none of us are whining about DRS here except the non Indian fans...lol...we have the maturity to understand the wrong decisions are part and parcel of the game...

Posted by Bokesh on (November 8, 2013, 5:10 GMT)

A tough and defiant stand by both the batsman has really deflated WI. You can see their shoulders dropping now. Ashwin can really be a dangerous player at his position and no wonder he has a staggering average of 41 plus for the no.8. Sammy now must be thinking in terms of a face saving draw.

Posted by shayalmathew on (November 8, 2013, 5:06 GMT)

Bad umpiring costs rohit's debut double ton! Very sad

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 5:01 GMT)

such poor umpires selected for this match.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 4:57 GMT)

woh what an innings by ashwin. He almost looked like a top order batsman. Much better than rains and yuvrajs. Same could be said about mishra when he made 84 at OVAl. Better have him at no 7 and make room for an extra spinner, be it rasool, mishra, ojha. That way have 5 bowlers. Not only that ashwin is primarily a bowler who averages over 40 with the bat.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (November 8, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

As much as I would like to see the Windies win, I am hoping Rhit makes it to a double on debut. Have to hand it to him, he has put in a great knock,. I had the same hopes for Dhawan not too long ago, but he only lated an over or 2 on the next morning. Rohit seems to be getting even stronger

Posted by Sugath on (November 8, 2013, 4:43 GMT)

What is intriguing is the ease with which Ashwin is playing the WI bowlers, where the top five struggled. It shows how shallow the bowling stength of West Indies are. This is what is about impermanance. Gone are the hay days of Windies with Holding, garner and Walsh and Marshall. Now the attack is pedestrian. May be the pitch too has lost its initial venom. time will tel when WI bat later in the day how Indian spinners will function.

Posted by Hetdave19 on (November 8, 2013, 4:35 GMT)

Ashwin is eyeing a big score here. His celebrations after the century were minimal. This goes to show that his temperament is right and he is hungry for runs. He is eager to make a contribution to the team in every way possible.

Posted by Hetdave19 on (November 8, 2013, 4:35 GMT)

Totally agree with sandeep. Irfan Pathan was exposed to no. 3 to make him perfect all-rounder. He lost touch with his bowling. India lost a good seam bowler. Same thing shouldn't happen with Ashwin.

Posted by Hetdave19 on (November 8, 2013, 4:34 GMT)

It's important that the Indian batsmen Ashwin and Rohit remain patient and play sensible cricket. If India can add 70-75 runs in the next 20 odd overs and not lose a wicket, we'll have a great chance of defeating the Windies.

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 8, 2013, 4:34 GMT)

Oh no. What are these two doing. It is in the best interest of everyone that these two dont carry on too long from here. For indians who wanna sachin come again and bat and india bashers who must be craving to flaunt some jealousy.

Meanwhile, as i say this, oops, from 177-6 to a lead more than 177. I wonder how long this will take to sink in with a few people here.

Posted by cricketsubh on (November 8, 2013, 4:33 GMT)

great knock but i still think scoreing in these plat pitches is not a hard work real test for rhohit came when india tour south africa next month.and icc need protect test cricket their are only 4 teams in test u can say is gud at the moment ind.aus.s.a.eng .w.l is strugling aslo srilanka and newziland ig icc not take any step i think in coming years test cricket will go down becoz of lack of gud team .test cricket need 8 gud teams not 4 gud teams only .

Posted by Kashi0127 on (November 8, 2013, 4:30 GMT)

In a way I am happy India is likely to get a big lead thanks to Ashiwn and Rohit. That way its unlikely to bat again or not for much thereby relieving us of seeing the agony of Tendulkar batting

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 4:16 GMT)

Congratulation Ashwin............you prove again that you are a valuable cricket in Indian side...good lesson for top orders batsman to be calm on batting

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 3:58 GMT)

@"SnowSnake "Fact is Tendulkar has costed India a lot of pain for last 2 years" Really?? then it will happen to Kohli, Rohit, Pujra after 10-15 years>. Easy to criticise!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 3:54 GMT)

The Big 3 have all been replaced--Dravid by Pujara, Tendulkar in all formats by Kohli, VVS by Rohit Sharma. I said that more than a year ago in fact, and no one agreed to the third comparison.

Posted by noitsnothim_itsme on (November 8, 2013, 3:16 GMT)

"Indians cannot afford to talk about umpiring decisions, having rejected UDRS. You want justice, embrace DRS !"

- You only need to ask the Australians, they embraced it, but they wish they didn't in England earlier this year!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 3:00 GMT)

First of all - Sunil Narine, I bet he will have minimum impact as Indian batsmen have played him in IPL, his variations are fantastic for T20, but I doubt about his abilities in test matches. Also I agree with one of the featured comments.A mystery spin bowler will be a mystery for Indian batsmen, only for one match.They are more than capable of sorting the bowler out in no time and make him look ordinary. Doubt this? Ask Ajanta Mendis

Posted by team_india_no1 on (November 8, 2013, 2:23 GMT)

When a new batsman rises in India there are talks about his real test in SA or Aus to be regarded as good. Now Sir Ricky Ponting (career average 52) got a career test average of 26.5 from 14 matches (1 century) in India and 42 from 8 matches (1 century) in SriLanka and every one knows that pitches in India and Sri Lanka are flat at times so can he be termed as ordinary?

Posted by mahi678 on (November 8, 2013, 2:22 GMT)

very one thinks that dhoni is brilliant captain. but truth is he is just a brilliant batsman thats all. @ DipsoManiac, u were true. but there is nothing that fans can do. indian board always love to select a batsman as captain. not a bowler. india have decent bowling attack if properly choosed from domestic level. captains should bileave in bowling. always try to take wickets rather than spread field. must take catchs well and make strategies to dismiss inform opponent batsmen. coaches should train the bowlers how to handle situation when opponent is in attacking mode. despite many pifalls india playing largely due to immaculate individual talent. fans can do nothing. just they enjoy the game when team is winning and go with their own business when teams not winning. i think later is best. there are many other games to watch to. go play at ur college levels or school levels rather than watching silly game........

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 2:20 GMT)

Indians cannot afford to talk about umpiring decisions, having rejected UDRS. You want justice, embrace DRS !

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 2:15 GMT)

the position is in india right now its simply because of sammy's error of having shillingford bowl so many overs, I mean if he had short spell he would be much more energetic n hard for any batsmen to read him

Posted by SnowSnake on (November 8, 2013, 1:38 GMT)

To Ind. fans, Kallis ain't breaking Sachin's records. Even if Kallis keeps scoring centuries based on his average rate, he will have to play for over 3 years before he breaks Sachin's record. It ain't happening because if Kallis plays for 3 years, SA will slip in rankings substantially. Let SA fans support Kallis just like Ind. fans supported Tendulkar. The fact is Tendulkar has costed India a lot of pain for last 2 years. The least of which is delayed start of Rohit's career.

Posted by class9ryan on (November 8, 2013, 0:20 GMT)

Ashwin just more than a no.8, looked as good as anybody at that number. His test stats are similar to Murali Vijay who has in fact lesser average and aggregate runs than Ashwin.

Posted by CricketFanIndUS on (November 8, 2013, 0:04 GMT)

Our team is not out of the woods yet, another 150 runs may be required in the first innings. They won't be easy to get. More important is preventing the opposition from batting before the pitch deteriorates.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 8, 2013, 0:03 GMT)

Agree with @ throughthelense - Sachin in his penultimate Test must realize he was blocking the Test spot of many a talented youngster for over a couple of years now. Rohit is one of the latest example. If you love cricket, and want your country to do well, as Sachin so often said, he should have retired after World Cup 2011. Emotions apart, Sachin does not deserve a place in the current Indian Test team.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 23:25 GMT)

@boomslanger - No WI were not always break and blow. Fidel Edwards was able to achieve reverseswing, last time they toured India.. Malcolm marshall swung ball both ways like a banana. Curtly ambrose was not the fastest either, he relied more on being miserly, bounce and seam movement. Regarding reverse swing, they might not be able to achieve it but that isn't the only way to be effective as proved by walsh, holding, roberts etc, pollock, donald etc. Give them more overs. Raw pace can also do the trick provided they pitch the ball up. The shorball, while initially effective, was overused by the quicks. Best has a good yorker, but needs to be used more often.

Posted by screamingeagle on (November 7, 2013, 22:53 GMT)

@ravichakra, so kind of you to comment on the abilities of the indian cricketers and valuable insight into how they think. Truly sir, your comments are much appreciated and certainly brightens ones day. Nothing like a good laugh while reading inane comments. :D

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 22:48 GMT)

Rohit..you really rock in any format.

Posted by Crick_Expert on (November 7, 2013, 22:38 GMT)

I am an indian and great fan of cricket team. But I don't see any greatness in SACHIN....just he playing since last 22 years...? Sardaar DHONI record much better than SACHIN..

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 21:54 GMT)

@MaruthuDelft What you are talking about was aesthetics. How good a batsman looks making his runs has no impact on whether they are a better player or not. What matters in the end are the runs and wickets that player contributes to a team performance. Your argument is invalid.

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

Couldn't agree more @thiruven - the silken artistry of Ashwin's wristy drives and flicks more than once had me thinking back to the great Hyderabad school of batting and its three great legatees - ML Jaisimha, Azhar and VVS!

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 21:38 GMT)

My dear @Jose Puliampatta what can I say? I am an unworthy claimant to the nomenclature of that great soul - but in our mutual recognition of cricketing greatness and the spirit of all that was best about the post-independence generation of India you and I keep his spirit alive!

My dear @Mint Off I wholeheartedly agree - perhaps it was mean-spirited of me to respond as I did - without doubt both are great and I was in Jozi to see the 50th test century and while I abhor xenophobia and the black and white mentality of puerile nationalism I was proud indeed to be from India that day and to see how all the people of South Africa - black, white and everything in between - saluted the little master on his accomplishment!

@MaruthuDelft - in my earlier response I stated quite clearly my estimation of their relative entertainment value so I won't repeat myself. Personally I always found Sunil Gavaskar riveting to watch - certainly in test cricket. It takes all sorts - as they say........

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 21:25 GMT)

Great stuff from Rohit !! 108 ODIs and he did not get frustrated at the selectors' ignoring him for Tests for this long . He has the game to be a consistent scorer like Kohli. His performances will only improve from here . Ashwin has proven that he is serious contender to Jadeja's allrounder slot in the team now .He has the potential to be a genuine allrounder. let's hope he does not go the Shoaib Malik route .. !

Posted by 2nd_Slip on (November 7, 2013, 21:11 GMT)

Saying Sachin is a better cricketer than Kallis is like saying Anderson is better than Steyn. Someone who truly knows the game and doesn't let national affiliation cloud his/her judgement will choose the South Africans ANY DAY ANY TIME over the latter. Nobody is denying that Sachin is one of the best batsmen to have graced the game(certainly one of my all time favorites as well) but what we are just pointing out is the mere fact that Kallis is the best cricketer and batsman of the current generation FULL STOP!!!.

Posted by thiruven on (November 7, 2013, 20:17 GMT)

While all Indian commentators are focused on singing praises of Rohit Sharma, it was more pleasing to see Ashwin bat. Flair and ease at crease and timing reminded me of another great not talked much about VVS. Just keen to see Rohit perform on tracks in SA and OZ

Posted by SamRoy on (November 7, 2013, 20:04 GMT)

Even though I am fierce critic of Dhoni's test match captaincy style he backs the right players in test matches. Jadeja proved he is a very good bowler on square turners. Ojha over Mishra was always evident and Ojha proved it. Now Rohit over Rahane again right call. Not many chances to Badri right call. Continuous backing of Ashwin right call. Only mistakes, Ishant, Yuvraj and Raina. Too many chances. But nobody would deny that those 3 didn't have talent. Raina didn't temperament. Yuvraj had a weak defence and Sharma often a bad wrist position.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (November 7, 2013, 19:42 GMT)

@tommytuckersaffa name one great bowler who rated kallis ahead of SRt. I wil tell u many who rated tendulkar as the best batsman they bowled including great alan donald

Posted by IndianCoolGuy on (November 7, 2013, 19:13 GMT)

@throughthelense : Yes you are right mate, and that is the reason why he is stopping here. BUT ... as a person who has served India for more than two decades, and has won many matches for us, and has given so much happiest moments to 100Cr people, and a person who has taken Indian cricket to the next level, and has become an ideal person to so many young cricketers and (in fact so many cricketers including Rohit is now playing international cricket because he has taken inspiration from Tendulkar) and has never involved in any issues, and more than that he he a simple, honest and good person. The send off which we are giving to him is in fact very less to what he has given to us. SO... Please give respect to legend Little Master Sachin Tendulkar.

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 7, 2013, 19:00 GMT)

@TommyTuckerSaffa - Given Kalli's form in the test series against Pakistan, Sachin's record will be safe! Even if he manages to come anywhere near, he would just choke, like they do always and not be able to overcome the final hurdle!

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

All the best to Rohit to become 6th player in test history to achieve a double century on debut.

Posted by DipsoManiac on (November 7, 2013, 18:53 GMT)

@Jason Abrahams While I agree that Sammy made tactical errors when India was in serious trouble, I'll have to disagree with your comment regarding Dhoni's tactical knowledge. We have seen time and again that Dhoni goes into a defensive mode as soon as bowlers manage to send the top/middle order back to the dressing room. Remember South Africa when SA was staring defeat at 130 for 6 and Kallis was injured? What did the master tactician do? Spread the field! That cost India it's first series win in SA. There are numerous examples of Dhoni's defensive mindset: Aus in India: India won 2-0 in-spite of his defensive tactics, thanks to Laxman), India in England: That 0-4 scoreline could have been avoided had he seized the initiative in first test, SA in India: We should have won that series instead of drawing it. Dhoni is a decent one day captain but has a long way to in terms of tactical knowledge in tests

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 7, 2013, 18:46 GMT)

People talking about DRS. It didn't matter to sachin but my god! if Rohit got that, his test career was over before it started.

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (November 7, 2013, 18:43 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa: None of us Indians are complaining or whining abt not having DRS. DRS still has many flaws, ask ENG or AUS, in the recently concluded ashes series. As far as Kallis breaking SRT's records, guess what, RECORDS ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN, if not by Kallis someone else is bound to break it, but you know what, SRT will have the distinction of the being the first player to score 100 100's. No one can take that from him. Just like one doesn't remember the second person to land on the moon, but everyone knows who the first person to land on moon was.

Posted by vardhanrk on (November 7, 2013, 18:43 GMT)

This year belongs to rohit.....i think tomorrow he will continue his effort and reach an double ton in debut test....and for a while he will take charge of number 4 slot and now rohit is proving and sealing the door of critsing him...........

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

In the words of Ravi Shastri : "Absolute cracker-jack of a game so far." Some turn on a Day 2 pitch at the Eden, imagine the scenario what the Windies will face on 2nd Innings with the likes of Ashwin, Ojha, and Tendulkar to an extent on the 3rd day (possibly) or 4th day. Can only foresee one result: An Innings win for India, as simple as that."

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 7, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa: Kallis may or may not break the record of Sachin but Sachin will be only next to Bradman and he is and will be a legend...and Kallis will another good player in cricket thats it.....

Posted by sysubrceq0 on (November 7, 2013, 18:27 GMT)

Apart from Dhoni & Sachin - this Indian team is very inexperienced TEST team. Indian TEST team will be still in transition until these guys settle well to their respective positions. Don't jump on the conclusions as this is world beating team.

Posted by throughthelense on (November 7, 2013, 18:22 GMT)

Sachin in his penultimate Test must realise he has blocking the Test spot of many a talented youngster for over a couple of years now. Rohit is one of the latest example. If you love cricket, and want your country to do well, as Sachin, so often said it, you must have a vision incorporating the world beyond the self. Emotions apart, Sachin does not deserve a place in the current Indian Test Match XI.

Friends, DRS will come in the series versus SA, just wait for Sachin to retire.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 17:56 GMT)

Let's face it, Sachin would not have been given out in the 'good' old days of home (some would say biased) umpires. Neutral incompetence is the name of the game today.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 17:54 GMT)

Cricket is a funny game, they say. Not all believe in this statement, but I know of a section of the cricket followers who've accepted it. The guys who called Rohit the 2 minutes Noodles man. Rewind the clock an year, and he was the hot topic of discussion. And today, he still is, but for the opposite reason.

Class. He edged the ball twice in this innings. You'll take that, one this pitch. The 'TALENT' the experts keep talking about, was seen today. People understand the meaning of 'Rohit has so much time to play his shots' now. The timing, the elegance,patience,placement... All in one innings. Absolutely brilliant.

And the same goes for the Ashwin haters. Dunno why people were going after him, when he was being taken for runs on flat pitches, in not so great fielding restrictions. Doing great work with both Bat and ball.

Gayle, Darren Bravo and Chanderpaul... The game depends on these 3 guys from here on.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 7, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

Curator at Kolkata has done a nice job. Unnecessary flack he gets every time.

Posted by TRAM on (November 7, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

@Paras Rishi, Whats your yardstick for dropping a player? Cricinfo does a wonderful free service of providing up to date stats. Please have a habit of checking them. Recent test innings score of some players: MVijay: 167, 153, 26, 57, 11, 26 Virat Kholi: 107,34, 67, 34, 1, 41, 3 Sachin: 15,8,25,13,19,17,27,13,8,8,76,5,2,81,13,7,37,21,32,1,10 Dhoni: 44,4,18,24,12,42 You want to drop MVijay for what?

Posted by yuvi_gladiator on (November 7, 2013, 17:43 GMT)

@ TommytuckerSaffa kallis cannot score 100 international centuries. Also even without stats, kallis was neve able to dominate the bowling, he just had a great temperament like dravid.. so he is in different class zone which is inferior to players like ponting, lara, sach

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 17:43 GMT)

Very very heartening to see India turn a position of adversity into a position of strength in difficult conditions. Especially heartwarming to see two newcomers playing as if they want to be part of the team. Great to see the application and structure in the cricket. Especially like to comment that short balls were dealt with easily by the two. Indian cricket looks forward to striding in the future confidently whilst giving its past lions a very well deserved grand farewell. From tomorrow a confident India will embark on a myth shattering journey...

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 17:37 GMT)

Too early to comment on rohit.will wait for south Africa at least

Posted by JustIPL on (November 7, 2013, 17:30 GMT)

LOL little master got the score better than Don. He scored a one on the left of a zero. Also, the stars did not support Great Gavasker's prediction about Kohli who emulated tendulkar by failing agaisnt lowly west indies.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 17:21 GMT)

Rohit had a great debut today Partnershos with MSD and RA have already taken away the match from WI MSD should be looking at an Innings or atleast a 10 W victory

Posted by g.narsimha on (November 7, 2013, 17:02 GMT)

asf-Talyar Khan- yaa u can watch whom ever u like but i feel u r preference of KALLIS is guided by non cricketing reasons,thats it ,we are more than a billion, MAJORITY OF INDIANSs ARE PROUD OF HIM that only metters ,

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 17:01 GMT)

M seeing shadow of VVS Laxman in Rohit.Though he is shorter than Laxman,his face seems like Laxman.Heartiest congratulation to Rohit for his maiden century in the first test he is playing.We wish him good luck in all forms of cricket. A NEW TYCOON IN INDIAN CRICKET.

Posted by ProdigyA on (November 7, 2013, 16:44 GMT)

@Jose puliampatta - well said. His lazy elegance and timing of the cricket ball is so VVS like.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 7, 2013, 16:43 GMT)

Please don't forget Shami. Indian pacer took more wickets than WI pacers. Same happened in ODI vs Aus as well. He also managed to get powell out on Short Ball, but no one will talk about it since powell is nit Raina. In fact its no shame bowling out on short ball at 150 plus in case of raina, but what about not managing short ball at 139 kph?? I am not suggesting that Raina should be in test 11, but sometimes we forget that others also struggle on short balls. Raina needs to improve.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 16:37 GMT)

India will loose Tendulker after Mumbai test.But I think Rohit will cover up a lot of that vacancy.With 108 ODI experience and captaining Mumbai Indians in IPL,he has nourised himself as a matured batsman.M surprise to see the batting pipelines of India.Rohit took so much of time to get inside the Indian Test team.Hats of to India for producing so much of cricketing genious.Bangladesh has lot to learn from them.

Posted by HDG1978 on (November 7, 2013, 16:30 GMT)

@larathegreatone I agree with your analysis. Despite being an Indian fan, want WI to succeed as I simply loved their great team of the 70s and 80s. Thankfully, the days of Aus dominance in cricket are over. Back to WI, instead of Permaul, who appears ordinary, Deonarine should play in Mumbai as WI need a 6-4 batting line-up and not a 5-5 one. Sammy, despite being a hard trier, does not seem Test class in either batting or bowling. Ideally, the WI selectors should not persist with him in their Test team. As for Ramdin, Chadwick Walton should be given a chance in Mumbai instead. Narine is not yet apt for Test cricket and hence was rightly dropped. (Test Bowling Avg 48). Why the WI selectors did not opt for Miguel Cummins or Jason Holder, instead of the injured Roach remains a mystery to me. WI, despite not being the best has had two ICC trophies (Champions Trophy in England in 2004 and World T20 in Srilanka in 2012) in the last 10 years.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 16:29 GMT)

Hi India and all Cricket Lovers, We should be happy of what has happened today at the Eden Gardens. Let us remember that we odd to give credit to how the game has progressed. It easy for us watching to give our comments and opinions. When Sachin himself has mentioned he is not bigger than the Game. We should respect his feelings and opinion and Let him Enjoy the final Phase of his career. This is probably the best way we as his Fans,Friends, Well Wishers, Critics, Followers can help him get a big score the next time he walks in to take Guard at the crease. For Sachin who has carried all our expectations for 24 Plus years let us do this small prayer by not adding pressure on him.

#Thank You Sachin. Hope The almighty you believe in be with you the next time you take Guard at Kolkata or Wankhade,Mumbai

Posted by TRAM on (November 7, 2013, 16:28 GMT)

Honestly, I dont see much batting expertise difference between Rohit and Ashwin in today's performance though their styles are different and one is called as 'great talent' by the set of commentators for last many years. Today it went openly ugly and some of them were talking and comparing Mumbai talent versus Delhi talent. They openly said they are proud of Rohit being a Mumbaikar !! Is it cricket commentary or what? What a shame. Let India be divided in some people's minds. But why should such people make it public?

Posted by ravichakra on (November 7, 2013, 16:23 GMT)

@IPSY, a couple more weaknesses spotted by me (and as usual disregarded by his frenzied fan community) - 1) never contributed to the team cause and the other 2) can't play under pressure, vouched by his last innings scores.

Posted by BigINDFan on (November 7, 2013, 16:17 GMT)

Good game of cricket overall! It is interesting that WI fell for a pace bowler (Shami) and Ind fell for a off-spinner (Shillingford). Who says Ind batsmen are great players of spin anymore :-)

Ashwin is a great talent and he is perfect in the lower middle order. Ind needs to be patient with Vijay and Dhawan as they can be a great opening combo. Pujara needs to stop complaining about ODIs and focus on tests. Rohit has finally arrived as a complete batsmen since he realized that he needs to put a hefty price on his wicket. Talent was always there it is the attitude which has come finally. The current Ind team is fine but they need to take good back up bowlers to SA.

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (November 7, 2013, 16:16 GMT)

@afs_talyarkhan, numbers? You don't understand numbers well; what about ticket sales numbers, TV viewership numbers? Kallis is boring; just like Sunil Gavaskar, Alan Border......Early in his career Tendulkar was electrifying like Viv Richards.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 16:10 GMT)

without having the benefit of side view, Sachin's decision was a 50-50 and it went against him. I dont think umpire should be branded as 'bad' umpire at all. Overall umpiring quality was good.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 16:09 GMT)

Obviously everyone's today ga-ga over Rohit Sharma and congratulations on his debut century. But on this day, as a true Indian cricket fan, I do really really feel for another batsman who ended the day on 126 not out - scoring yet another century in his 12th consecutive successful year in the domestic circuit with no recognition. Yes - none other than Badrinath, who scored 126 not out in the Ranji game today. He scored a 50+ in his debut in more trying circumstances against Dale Steyn and for some unfathomable reason, has never got a test chance again. The establishment first preferred and kept giving Kohli, Rohit Sharma and Pujara so many chances before they have both come good now. While we as fans celebrate the successes of Kohli and Rohit, let us never forget the injustice meted out to people like Badrinath. Cheers.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 7, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

For India the 2 rookies - Shami and Rohit - have been our heroes. What does it tell us about our selection process?? It was wrong to continue with the likes of Ishant Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj, etc. They are simply not test class players. Our selectors should never have given such a long rope to those players. By doing so, they denied spots to promising youngsters like Shami and Rohit. Who knows, if it wasn't for Faulkner, Ishant would still be playing in this match.

Posted by LionsofLanka on (November 7, 2013, 16:01 GMT)

@Greatest_Game

SA & Dale Steyn should enjoy with Pakistan only at UAE & then of course at HOME.

Looks like all UDRS lovers are waiting for this moment to happen for having mass BCCI/IND "bashing heritage program" here. I wonder where they were when Shami had a terrific spell yesterday. Nigel Long wasn't seen poor for the first time here; he had many wrong decisions in AUS-IND series. But Indian fans are more matured to look beyond these incidents. There is a world even after bad decision & they were never seen in panic as others do specially. (others =ENG/AUS/SA fans)

I salute SRT for his memorable career. He will be always remembered as greatest batsmen of the cricket game. Wonderful achievement = playing 25 years non-stop in both Test & ODIs together with topmost consistent performances throughout. No one can touch his height, that's the sure!!

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 15:54 GMT)

There seems to be an axiom among some international umpires: When the batsman is SRT; when in doubt, give him out! It is quite an achievement, no? To get him out! The kind of achievement you can narrate to your grand-children.

Any one remembers, his "head before wicket" became "leg before wicket"? That was Harper! In the sheer number of such decisions, Buckner may be the Champion, but in terms of "memorability" , Daryl Harper gets the medal. With genuine apologies to Harper, Buckner & others :-) :-):-).... Despite my attempt to pull their legs, I admire both.

Harper, Buckner... and in an eralier era, Dickie Bird , David Shepherd et al are legendary umpires. And they are all humans too!

Posted by ravichakra on (November 7, 2013, 15:53 GMT)

@Sorcerer, you hit the nail on its head. Sachin along with Dhoni has been instrumental in India not opting for DRS. So they deserve to get an odd dubious decision against them much like they have enjoyed many in their favour (eg. India's WC semifinal in 2011 against Pak). So it evens out. As far as the decision is concerned, to the naked eye it looks out, unless you keep watching it over and over on replays with the use of DRS, so stop baying for Nigel Long's blood. Coming to the match situation, I am yet to recollect India winning a test overseas with SRT's help or in a hopeless situation like today (79 for 3). All he has done is accumulate personal milestones. Indian test cricket died a natural death when Sir RD retired and then Sir VVS retired, the final nail in the coffin (read Indian test cricket).

Posted by SandipManjrekar on (November 7, 2013, 15:53 GMT)

@IPSY on November 7, 2013, 15:08 GMT

It's wonderful to see your observations on SRT's weaknesses. May I please ask you one question, how couldn't these bowlers restrict SRT to become highest scores in Tests, Highest scorer in ODIs, Highest no. of centuries in both Tests & ODIs and even Highest numbers of Tests & ODIs played?

I mean I could able to understand from your comment if SRT should be easy picking for any team in the world then how could he survived for such a lengthy period of 25 years.

I am clueless but I will be happy if you can explain me. I believe you are from Pakistan.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

Ravi Shastri did suggest at the start of the day that i will get very easy to bat as the day progresses. All they wanted was a clear head. Ashwin and Rohit did just that.

Posted by Batmanindallas on (November 7, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

Vijay is still a misfit. I think he will be exposed more as time goes by. India should bypass him and go to the next generation of openers be in Jiwanjot singh or Rahul from Karnataka

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (November 7, 2013, 15:36 GMT)

Even though I am an Indian, but I am a great fan of WI team, particularly that of yesteryears, when it was the top most team in the world. I reckon no team in recent times has been as good as the WI team of late seventies and early eighties. In the mid-seventies Aus under Ian Chappel with bowlers like Thomson and Lillee was also a great team. But I am alarmed at the decline of the WI test team. As far as individual talent is concerned, the present test team has some of the most talented players in the world cricket, but, somehow they don't perform in the test matches. I don't understand the reasons behind this problem. Is it because they are always taking test matches like T20/ODI matches, or is it something else. They somehow seem to lack the maturity of test cricketers, even though they have a lot of talent. For example, when they visited India last time in 2011, they had taken a 100+ runs lead in the first innings, but still went on to lose the match. Truly sad state of affairs.

Posted by desiboy454 on (November 7, 2013, 15:34 GMT)

What a fighting display from the Indian lower middle order, excellent of MS to get a partnership going and then Rohit and Ashwin were just to good. Finally I am starting to like Rohit Sharma!! I was one of those No-Hit Sharma haters as well but he is starting to blossom. Can't wait for SA series, wish it was 3 tests instead of 2. I noticed on Day 1, that after SRT, Dhoni has played 2nd highest tests 78, so basically a very inexperienced side will go to SA, but I feel they will put up a great fight. I've said this before, Ashwin has a great batting technique, overseas he could prove to be a very good #7, his drives, flicks, hooks are top class. I would rather see Ashwin at #7 then Jadeja overseas, In India i'd play jadeja as a bowler for sure! Imagine playing Ashwin & 4 seamers in AUS, ENG, SA. that would be amazing! My team in SA: 1. Dhawan 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Virat 5. Rohit 6. MSD 7. Ashwin 8. Bhuvi 9. ZAK 10. Shami 11. Umesh.. This attack has good variety! LETS GO TEAM INDIA!!!

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 15:28 GMT)

@larathegreatone..........I agreed on most of the part of your comment.......especially about Ramdin

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 7, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

Given that WI really had India on the ropes at 86-5 that was a bit of throwaway by them. Shillingford bowled very well and that straight on ball which ma`de a complete fool of Vijay was a great piece of bowling. Umpire Llong may have been forgiven if he had left India last night for destination unknown. That was a stupid decision in the extreme. Poor Sharm was the recipient of silence as he walked out, withoput any sort of acknowledgement of his ODI 200. The depth of batting India possess required more teeth to dismantle them than Windies had and the bowlers duly capitulated.. Sharma is in great form at present while Ashwin is no number 8 at all.

Posted by Siva_Bala75 on (November 7, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

Hope Ashwin gets 6 for and reaches 100 wickets in this test itself. At lease let him reach 100 wickets before 1000 runs!

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 7, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

Will someone give credit to curator. It was refreshing to see contest between bat and ball after boring Ashes.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 15:19 GMT)

@afs_talyarkhan,well we cant dismiss Kallis vis a vis Sachin because any batsman with 44test centuries with average of 56 needs to be taken seriously,as i said he's the greatest player of our generation whereas Sachin & Lara are the greatest batsman our time..but cricket is a game where its really difficult to say which player is better with so many stats,so for some sachin is the best batsman,for some kallis is better,for some Lara is the best..all are right in their own way,so lets leave it to that and enjoy their game instead of praising one at the expense of another

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

@afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 13:42 GMT):

Welcome back to this world my dear AFS Talyarkhan. I used to love your sports columns and the "Last Page" by Kwaja Ahmed Abbas in Blitz, the mother of all Tabloids in India, started by BK Karanjia years ago, immensely.

I hope KA Abbas & BK Karanjia also will come back; and write for the benefit of the new generation :-)

Posted by Sampanch on (November 7, 2013, 15:17 GMT)

Sachistics: Interestingly, playing in his '24th' year, 'Ten'dulkar scored just '10' runs off 24 balls. Strangely, the number 199 (199th test match) also adds up to '10' - his jersey number, lucky number or whatever.

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (November 7, 2013, 15:17 GMT)

I bet all the Indian fans wish DRS was in operation now. Sachin fails again, Kallis will easily overtake him now and beat his records.

Posted by Siva_Bala75 on (November 7, 2013, 15:16 GMT)

Most of Ashwin's big runs have come about when India had been in trouble- not one those like a third centurion of a 600+ innings.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 15:14 GMT)

So finally we have seen a brand new batting order: sehwag gambhir dravid sachin laxman replace by dhawan vijay pujara virat & rohit. next 2-3 years will be really a testing one for these youngsters. Now we have the real time to compare Dhoni with Ganguly. This is a team made by Dhoni, earlier we had one made by Ganguly. All the best India All the best Dhoni !

Posted by raghu.vrm on (November 7, 2013, 15:09 GMT)

WI were in strong position with India struggling at 83/5. But again they failed to take advantage. Shillingford who bowled well at the start was given a long extended spell and it gave the batsmen time to watch him and rock back to defend him. And when there is a partnership Sammy didn't take the new ball immediately when nothing is happening with the old ball. But having said, I think Rohit and Dhoni negotiated that tricky period really well and Rohit continued his long-awaited debut innings with touch of class and elegance all the way along with assured batting of Ashwin. Congrats to Rohit for a well-deserved century. Now India are very much in the driver's seat and a good first session tomorrow would give a sizable lead for India to bowl out WI under that lead. And finally, disappointed with Sachin's lbw decision. I would love to see him bat longer. But that's been his career I guess with wrong decisions, great batting performances and completely filled with emotions.

Posted by IPSY on (November 7, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

Srikkanths, it's not just the last year-and-a-half that Tendulkar has been struggling against spinners with the doorsa - it's for his entire career: Today, once again the big fallacy that he has "no discernible batting weakness" is exposed! In fact, Sachin has some of the most glaring weaknesses for a modern batsman: As said before, he has always been poor against DOORSA bowlers: be it, Saqlain Mushtaq, who incidentally is Shane Shillingford's present coach, and who told Shillingford what to do against Tendulkar; or against Muttiah Muralitheran, the greatest bowler of All time. who never rated Tendulkar; or most recently against Saeed Ajmal and now against Shane Shillingford! The SA fast bowler, Brett Schultz in an interview explained his weakness against "the fast in-swinging good length ball' that pitches just a bit outside his off stump and swings into him - it bowls him all the time! Franklyn Rose, Pedro Collins and now ANDERSON and every fast bowler exploits it and get his wicket!

Posted by raghu.vrm on (November 7, 2013, 15:05 GMT)

While batting WI couldn't take advantage from good position by scripting own dramatic collapse. But Shami who bowled brilliantly in his first match to take four wickets did his part in that collapse.

And while bowling they were in strong position with India struggling at 83/5. But again they failed to take advantage. Shillingford who bowled well at the start was given a long extended spell and it gave the batsmen time to watch him and rock back to defend him. And when there is a partnership Sammy didn't take the new ball immediately when nothing is happening with the old ball.

But having said, I think Rohit and Dhoni negotiated that tricky little period really well and Rohit continued his long-awaited debut innings with touch of class and elegance along with assured batting of Ashwin. Congrats to Rohit for a well-deserved century. Now India are very much in the driver's seat and a good first session tomorrow would give a sizable lead for India to bowl out WI under that lead.

And

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 14:59 GMT)

@Jason Abrahams on (November 7, 2013, 11:18 GMT) - Featured comment:

We Indians, by and large, love Sammy, and his affable personality and his down to earth nature. And, when he goofs while captaining his team against India, we love him even more :-)

Posted by larathegreatone on (November 7, 2013, 14:58 GMT)

As a West Indian and as a huge fan of the Indian team, I am first of all disappointed at the West Indies batting but I will comment on that later on. I am happy for Rohit since he is and has always been a huge talent. I must commend the Indian cricket system for it's development of these players, other countries such as the West Indies must take note of your excellent system. Back to the West Indies Team. Tino Best always gets 100% for effort but where is is thinking and more importantly where is his control. Permual is not a wicket taking bowler. What goes on in Lil Bravo's Head. The one week spent on the states did nothing for the guys approach to the game. same old same old. My final point is Denesh Ramdin most of if not all test playing countries has a top quality wicket keeper batsman on their team. While Ramdin is a good keeper he is a poor batsman. As West Indians we need to look beyond persons like him and Carlton Baugh. Why not invest in Players like Charles and Fletcher.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 14:49 GMT)

As far as the immediate future of India's national Test Cricket team, I am very sure only about No.3 (Pujara); No.4. Kohli; and No.5 (Rohit). And, of course the WK-Batsman Dhoni, who can come in anywhere in the middle order, depending on the situation.

I have specific doubts about all others; until I see them performing in the next 3-4 overseas tours!

Posted by gdevilliars on (November 7, 2013, 14:46 GMT)

It seems that times are changing, reading through these comments one name keeps stealing the limelight. Sir Kallis is starting to get the recognition he deserves, weather its from the envy driven supporter of a lesser great casting stones from the comfort of their armchair or a life time admirer counting the days till he gets his 300th test wicket.

Posted by JeevanRamanuja on (November 7, 2013, 14:44 GMT)

It is amazing to see the transformation in the game where some days before we saw a run feast n today the beauty of test cricket.This test is nicely Poised credit to Rohit Ashwin for battling it out for India.Credit also should be given to Shiilingford for collapsing the Top order of India whom I thought was overbowled by Sammy.If West Indies can come fresh tomorrow and take some wickets ealy in the day this will be even more Interesting match.Else it will be walk in the park for India.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

I had been hyper-critical of the excessive experimentation of Ashwin, when it comes to his bowling; and losing the bite from his bread & butter deliveries. But was glad to see that in this test, he cut out most of those, and primarily focused on his stock in trade - off spin.

But as far as batting is concerned, to grossly exaggerate, I see a little bit of VVS, in some of his drives, pulls and wristy flicks from the leg stump line deliveries. Though comparison with VVS is odious and premature at this stage in his career. It will have any meaning only after seeing his batting in the next 3-4 overseas tours. However, one thing is certain: he can handle short length deliveries (bouncers) and body line bowling, far better than Yuvi, Raina, & Jadeja!

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 7, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

What an inning from Rohit! Take a bow! Wait a minute. The usual suspects will be out in full flow to say that he has to score a century on uber-pacy tracks. Never mind the fact that none of the non-subcontinent players scored a century on rank-turners in India. Hypocrisy!

Coming to wrong decisions, when opposition gets a wrong decision, the talk will be about poor umpiring and quite rightly so. But as soon as India gets a wrong decision, the talk will be about DRS. Never mind the fact that DRS has become a butt of a joke in so many series that I just lost count. What all it takes to reduce wrong decisions is a slo-mo. But no! It's either DRS with all its useless expensive paraphernalia or nothing. It's my way or high-way. Hypocrisy again! Do we need DRS for huge inside edge LBWs or too high on the thigh LBWs (Howlers)? DRS is already proven to be a joke in tight situations. One must be insane to say that an expensive DRS is for howlers only anyways. Shame!

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (November 7, 2013, 14:29 GMT)

@ Posted by Saud Sher Mohammad on (November 7, 2013, 10:40 GMT) - Yawn !! Yawn !! - Pk winning a closely fought series 2-1 which includes an embarrassing loss of not being able to chase 160 in the last ODI against the "weakest bowling attack" as per some of your fellow countrymen - was a year ago - Pls remind me what happened to the last 2 matches Ind v Pk played - What happened last winter was an anomaly/Upset !! we thrashed your team fair and square - in matches where "IT MATTERED" - latest first - to keep your memory refreshed - CT 13, WC2011, ASIA CUP 2012, 2010... the list goes on my friend.. keep it coming we're loving it!! BTW - last year's Nohit sharma is now our new RO-HITMAN - You rock mate!

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 14:22 GMT)

When i saw the squad in television i was astonished seeing Ashwin as an "All rounder" But today he has proved it.......Well played CHENNAI SUPER KING

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 14:12 GMT)

@spiritwithin point taken but if we are going to compare (always a perilous proposition!) then we must compare like wtih like - reductio ad absurdum is no argument. In the case of Kambli (handful of tests) and Sam (loads of runs in SL, less abroad) there is no basis for meaningful comparison. So if you want to have a serious discussion then let's get serious. My point was there is no basis in FACT for dismissing Kallis relative to Tendu - but there IS a basis in fact for dismissing Tendu relative to Kallis. But I take your point - of course facts IN THEMSELVES do not tell the whole story because there are an infinite number of facts which can never be all taken into account. So what matters is the quality of INTERPRETATION of the facts - how you make the facts tell a convincing story. But that is a question of explanation and cannot simply be assumed - it needs to be argued for and against IN RELATION TO THE FACTS. For what it is worth, I would watch Tendu anyday over Kallis. ;-)

Posted by anupkeni on (November 7, 2013, 14:08 GMT)

Players like Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli , Rohit can be considered the next fab four of Indian cricket after Dravid. Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman only if they succeed in test matches in Aus, Eng, SA, NZ.

Posted by srikanths on (November 7, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

Delayed exit by SRT agreed. The great man has been struggling against spin the last year and a half. The writing on the wall was clear from the last two tests against OZ in Australia. Once someone is 38+, fall is sudden and precipitous. But let us give the great man his due not crib about it now As for Rohit, I find some getting very wise about the past based on today's poerformance of Rohit Sharma. His performance in the past earlier two years except the curremt year was terrible and severeal of the people who are finding fault as to why he was not included earlier would possibly had called him names. I have seen comments and comments about waht a wasted talent he was , how lazy he was and attitude problems and so on. In our country we only react in two extremes ways, no middle path. People all become experts after the event and pontificate. Just look at how CAB is going overboard on celebrations. It is bound to affect the man who is celebrated. He would be the most embarrassed.

Posted by Srini_Chennai on (November 7, 2013, 13:52 GMT)

@Greatest_Game: "The only lesson I can think of that India could teach is how to have your top order look clueless against spin". SA is better in teaching that lesson. Perhaps the whole world has to learn from SA how to look clueless and hapless against spin.

Posted by HDG1978 on (November 7, 2013, 13:50 GMT)

@First_Drop Kallis has played in a great SA team with a strong bowling unit.A good bowler himself,he came into a SA team with Donald,Devilliers,McMillan around and the SA bowling line-up has never been short of quality,since their comeback to international cricket in 1991. Pollock,Klusener,Ntini,Nel,Adams,Steyn, Morkel,Philander have kept the SA tradition going.The cardinal cricketing rule that a stronger bowling side dominates still holds true,though India has tried to change that with its world-class batting line-up. For the record, India has 22 away Test wins since 2000 (Only 13 from 1932 to 2000) in the Tendulkar era that also featured such greats like Kumble,Srinath,Dravid,Ganguly,Laxman,Sehwag,Harbhajan and Zaheer.SA is the current No.1 Test team,but has not won a series in India since 2000 and in SL for the past two decades.My point is Kallis,a genuine all-rounder,cannot be compared with Tendulkar and as for the weight of expectations, that is fact and not opinion,my friend.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 13:49 GMT)

@ Maria Kumar on (November 7, 2013, 12:55 GMT):

To win a match what one needs is runs; not necessarily elegance. Ask Chanders! Ask Dhoni !

Posted by blthndr on (November 7, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

@First_Drop...Right now this may be a average looking side ...this is a young and inexperience test team....after sachin there ll be one more add to this inexperience batting lineup and will play together for years.... bt most importantly this team ll begin their journey with tough overseas tours...like sachin,ganguly and dravid had....i m sure they ll face some tough times.... if it will break them sometimes....bt i believe it will also make them over the times if they hav the will to learn from it.....we already seen a terrific one day (batting)side and i m sure we will see a formidable test(batting) side in coming years...

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 7, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

Waiting for Indian experts to discredit Rohit Sharma and making an announcement that we will like to see him on bouncy, fast , wickets of SA. And then if he fails there, even though that will be his first tour as the case with kohli dhawan pujara, we will be all over him and declare that indians can't play overseas. But if they succeed we will declare that they were not typical south african conditions. So as Indian experst we will continue to convince world that we are not good enough. Good strategy from Indian cricket experts

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 13:44 GMT)

@blthndr.........He will come soon.......

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 7, 2013, 13:43 GMT)

@First_Drop: buddy, You can understand my comment only if you are Indian.... Am talking about the years before Laxman, Sehwag and even Dravid for a certain period....am talking about the time when Sachin was the Pillar of the team...you wont understand until you know it...

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 13:42 GMT)

Agreed @shanmuthu - Ash reminds me of Lax as well - it is that almost liquid fluidity of the arc of the bat coupled with the twitching elasticity of supple wrists that has always set the Hyderabad school of batsmanship apart from the more rigid and technically correct Bombay school (Wasim Jaffer delightfully excepted).

Posted by maddy20 on (November 7, 2013, 13:41 GMT)

Complacency from the batsmen has led to their downfall in the morning particularly Vijay, Pujara(charging down the pitch and upper cut are shots that you would rather avoid in test cricket) and to some extent Kohli too(who instead of pressing down on the ball just kind of pushed at it offering a simple bat pad. If they had curbed their attacking instincts for a while then 83/5 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Nevertheless, brilliant batting from Rohit and Ashwin. WI is almost of out of the game now and a lead of another 50 runs or more would make it really really hard to come back into the game.

Posted by team_india_no1 on (November 7, 2013, 13:40 GMT)

Many bowlers have good batting technique but fail to score substantial runs mainly due to lack of temperament. In Ashwin's case it is exactly the opposite. If he carries the same temperament he show cases while batting into his bowling he would be an even greater bowler.

Posted by vatsap on (November 7, 2013, 13:39 GMT)

The likes of Giri J and Paras need to open their eyes to reality. Murali Vijay has been a shaky player, but the fact is he scored 2 "big" centuries under pressure against Australia, was the top scorer in the series and the limelight was taken by the likes of Dhoni, Dhawan and Pujara. Vijay plays correct cricket but does tend to get carried away at times. He needs to be persisted with. Ridiculous to recall the likes of Sehwag, who is well past his prime and hasn't scored a century outside the subcontinent since 2007.

With regards to DK, another unlucky cricketer, who keeps missing out due to selector favorites, Yuvraj Singh and Raina, who are very good when the wicket is flat, but "one" good" fast bowler in the opposition then we will know their true colours. DK should be given a decent run with a consistent role, he has the technique and temperament to succeed.

I think all Ashwin baiters are quiet today.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 7, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

@First_Drop Same is true for other teams as well. Also no batsmen from australia, england, soutrh africa, sri lanka, pakistan has scored century on a turing track in India. Some of them got 100 in India when pitch was flat and that too in 1st innings.

Posted by rationize on (November 7, 2013, 13:33 GMT)

Apart from playing his record 199th test, probably Tendulkar also holds a record of being given out when not out.

Posted by team_india_no1 on (November 7, 2013, 13:24 GMT)

I have a simple analysis about what went wrong for the West Indies today. Best and Cottrell bowled badly whole day. Permaul should have bowled in-tandem with Shillingford when he was on song. Gayle, Samuels could have been tried.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 13:19 GMT)

Short summary of today's game: Sachin's delayed exit; Rohit's delayed entry. In both cases, delayed by at least two years!

Posted by gsingh7 on (November 7, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

what a great temperament in batting by ashwin which masks his lack of skills in bowling. he and bhuvi cud open for every test team apart from england and sa. tells u amount of batting talent in indian squad. best batting lineup in the world, in every format. wc 2015 cud not come quickly enough, india will steam roll opposition bowlers into submission.

Posted by team_india_no1 on (November 7, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

Like me those who followed Rohit Sharma keenly always knew though he looks lazy-like (Inzamam-like) he is a test material and he will prove it. This is just the beginning. Also West Indies felt that the recently concluded Ind-Aus series would make India play rash shots but they forgot that during the series though both sides played on batting pitches the indian batsman (Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan) did not slog hard they scored runs with good timing technique and fin-ace. Only the Australians except for Bailey and Finch played slog cricket.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 13:06 GMT)

The morning session was a great fightback by the Windies, Shillingford bowled superbly to make inroads of India's intimidating line-up. Tendulkar was unlucky, but it's kinda ironic that the Indians are so fiercely against the DRS system, as it would've favoured Sachin on this occasion, but alas it's not here and the Umpires will get some wrong every now and then. But the afternoon and evening sessions belonged to India, despite their top and middle order failing, a great partnership between Sharma and Ashwin has pretty-much taken the match situation away from the Windies. So their depth in the lower-middle order has come through for them and it now looks like the Windies will be facing a deficit of around 200 on a wearing pitch. For India they'll be hoping to build on their lead and for the Windies to get some early breakthroughs. Somebody in the Windies batting line-up will have to bat the innings of their life, otherwise this will be over on Day four.

Posted by First_Drop on (November 7, 2013, 13:04 GMT)

For as long as I can remember, India have been very difficult to beat at home, but very vulnerable when travelling. As an example, losing horrendously when visiting Australia only a year ago, and then whipping Australia on the return series at home. Though I admittedly haven't had a very good look at them, this appears to be a very average Indian side...

Posted by blthndr on (November 7, 2013, 13:03 GMT)

Seriously this forum is missing someone dearly....a great indian cricket critic..the eyes are just looking for him even if he is nt here...so guys just chill n enjoy good cricket no need to justify any thing to any one...apart from dat...grt day day for indian cricket....i wish we ll hav more of these....

Posted by aishmal on (November 7, 2013, 12:58 GMT)

really badluck for SRT he doesn't look out. And as far as the best man to replace his no. 4 position is verindar sehwag he is one of the best in modern day cricket but ms dhoni has not treated him accordingly. I always include sehwag in all the 3 formats in all time XI.

Posted by muruknavasalapuri on (November 7, 2013, 12:55 GMT)

for me the stand out difference of both teams will be 2 1.the approach to test batting, by dividing batting in to two, one running b/w the wicket (WI- 1s 40, 2s 8, 3s 1, together 57, 24.35% of thier runs, on the other hand (Ind- 1s 129, 2s 19, 3s 1, together 170, 48% of thier runs), two boundries (WI- 4s 35, 6s 4, together 164, 70.08% of their runs), yet innings run rate higher by indians(WI-3.00, Ind- 3.47) 2.all ways you cant expect all of your batsmen to come good there will be off days, on those days other need to back up. the point i am here to make is, WI on 138/4 with chandar on one side how the keeper and the next wicket approached the game, now compare this with Ind on 83/5 far worst than WI With Rohit on one end and how the keeper and the next one supported him. for sure with his experience and the record against Ind Chandar would have done the same as rohit. congratulation for India showing the world how to play under pressure. congratulations for Rohit Sharma.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:55 GMT)

Also in Murali vijay case, he is a elegant test batsman... If Rohit deserves 100 ODI to prove then its not wrong if vijay got 25 test opportunites....

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:53 GMT)

I think many of who commenting does not have cricketing knowledge... a typical indian test pitch will not offer spin on first day, but gradually increases from day two on morning session and evening session and that what happened today while shellingford bowling. and bowlers spinners are not less to SI spinners, they will come into party from tomorrow once the pitch offer bounce and turn..

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:52 GMT)

After march test series against Australia, vijay and Indian team playing test in November. vijay was the highest run getter in test series vs Australia with 2 hundreds. Even today he is the highest scorer in the first 5 indian batsman. what a joke some people are asking him to be dropped.

Posted by First_Drop on (November 7, 2013, 12:49 GMT)

@Iceman29 and others re: Tendulkar v Kallis. Both are great players, though I would prefer to have Kallis in my side for his bowling - not sure there is much between their batting. But arguing that their is more pressure on Tendulkar because of the weight on 1billion Indians etc....that's opinion, not fact. And Tendulkar has played a large part of his career in a team including world class bats like Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman and others. To say that he has carried the team is very misleading. If anythign, having other batsmen of that quality around him has l;essened the pressure. Nontheless, he is a great player, no question. To call him God though is a bit much...would God retire?

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:48 GMT)

@marc freeman-comparisons with warne and murali are baseless.U want to pick narine fair enough,but above who.Permaul has 200 first-class wickets and he is only 24.Narine around the same age has only played 13 first class games.Permaul has played 2 test matches and was decent, while being economical in this.Surely it is unfair to drop him.Shillingford has done well so far and has almost 300 first class cricket and u admitted that he cannot be dropped.Regarding Sachin,he no longer has has quick reflexes, and now lacks concentration.And dismissing him in a T20 match where he has to slog like a wannabe baseballer doesn't tell me anything. Murali and warne, well back then there were 2 formats,none of these third grade leagues, and also a window for first class games,which continued their development turning them into all time greats.Narine has a choices:compromise $ and become a good test bowler by doing well in first class. Otherwise forget him.

Posted by Pak_Guru on (November 7, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

Just awesome, Indian captain what a situation to be in.... long list of talented batting options, selecting the final team surely must be a nightmare for Dhoni.

Posted by kelbov on (November 7, 2013, 12:46 GMT)

i must say i am extremely disappointed with the way the West Indians let the game slip away fro them AGAIN. I am still at sea why Ravi Ramphaul was not selected for these test matches, since the big talk was spin and reverse swing. And why permaul is playing instead of Narine. The attack West Indies currently have is on of the worst we have played in tests for a long time. The last time Windies toured Ashwin scored a hundred, i was hoping that there would have been a plan in place to dismiss. Rohit sharma is a class act, however, the Windies have a serious problem with debutants, i seems like they are the best team to debut against. It ridiculous, with all respect to Sharma's innings, Windies played terrible cricket once again.. and unlike what the might say, there is NO POSITIVES that could be taken away. Disappointed

Posted by nirnayghosh on (November 7, 2013, 12:35 GMT)

Sachin Tendulkar's genius may match one or two of his contemporaries, but his stupendous passion and unparalleled dedication as a student of the game makes him "the" all time best, no doubt about that. Take a bow SRT !!

Posted by Spin_Bully on (November 7, 2013, 12:34 GMT)

Indian bowlers are like HR. Without doing any work they simply set the Target. From this team, whatever sachin achieved is a great feat. Unlike other cricketers of his era - Kallis need not to face (Pollock/Donald), Ponting(Mcgrath/Warne), Lara(Walsh/Ambrose) or even Sanga/j.suriya in ODIs (murali/vaas). He faced all these gem of bowlers in their prime and scored against everyone. Yeah his winning percentage might be less(other indian factors included - bowling/fielding/never give up attitude) but definitely he is one of GREATEST exist in our ERA. Long live Tendulya.

Posted by spiritwithin on (November 7, 2013, 12:32 GMT)

@ afs_talyarkhan..Kallis is the greatest player of our generation but if you talk about pure batsman than sachin is above Kallis,if you want to say that Kallis averages more then dont forget that even Kambli averages more than Lara,Sachin and Ponting,that doesn't mean Kambli is greater that these batsman..there is a reason why sachin is regarded by most legend as the best batsman of our time alongwith Lara..stats doesn't gives whole picture,even Samaraweera averages more than Lara but we all know who's better.

Posted by jaashky on (November 7, 2013, 12:31 GMT)

I think India has now got the perfect replacements (though they still need to work their hearts out to go as that level) of gangualy,dravid, sachin and laxman in form of dhawan,pujara, kohli and rohit respectively. Therefore they should batted at the numbers the former did in the past i.e. opener, one down 2 down and 5th respectively.

Posted by CricketChat on (November 7, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

Ind may have batted out WI rather too early. Hats off to Rohit and Ashwin (who is turning into more of a batsmen who can bowl, much like Ravi Shastri of earlier era). Unless they come up with something special, this match could be over by 4th day itself. SRT may not even get a chance to bat 2nd time in this match.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

kallis is the most boring batsman of his time. if he plays 200 tests his average will drop to 45.

Posted by PradiptoC on (November 7, 2013, 12:28 GMT)

Superb article ! Very well written.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

wat a year this lad rohit is having!

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

a test captain in the making

Posted by ramli on (November 7, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

bladerunners_daddy ... you made my day ... I am closing shop today

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:19 GMT)

I know there's a big lobby of Tamil Nadu fans who keep on defending Murali Vijay in Tests and Karthik in ODIs, but it is there in front of everyone to see- Both of them have failed miserably in spite of so many chances given due to Srini. Vijay was a big failure even in the Ranji last season. Rahane/Samson/Aparajith deserve to replace Vijay from the squad.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

errr, can some kind soul plz explain, where are the ind bashers specially from a country called sri lanka. in the morning when we were tumbling i could see some posts but after the end of the where have they vanished. i am still waiting for some posts on flat track, blah blah etc etc...

Posted by IndianCoolGuy on (November 7, 2013, 12:15 GMT)

@Blade-Runner: Just few days before you have bashed on Rohit when he hit double ton in ODI. Watch his talent now, He has hit a ton in a debut test match when the team was 83/5 on a tough pitch. he would be a definite match winner for India. we all can understand that you never have the heart of appreciating Indian player even if he hit a 400 in a test match or double in ODI. watch me on NZ vs SL.

Posted by gsingh7 on (November 7, 2013, 12:07 GMT)

what a great debut for rohit. sachin goes out rohit comes in, india keeps inning. this indian team have resilience and talent of wi of past even when they wer3 83 for 5 two batsmen took the game by scruff of neck and took india to a winning position . well do0ne team india. i guess rohit will be first debutant 200 scorer in history of tests. go rohit. make a big one.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:05 GMT)

Congratulations Rohit! Belated Test debut but you made it count. Good allround performance by Ashwin,good batting rescuing the team.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:02 GMT)

Excellent batting by Rohit Sharma...I think it is going to be a fight between the fourth position between Rohit and Kohli...Ashwin also batted terrifically with Rohit...Hope Sachin's farewell series will end in a victory.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

@chin-music . I truly disagree when u say that so much attention should not be given to sachin on the occasion of him retiring .. For me , this is not enough , he should be given even more importance . And I am also against the the decision of using DRS as it has been proved many times that there errors in the system that are clearly visible to everyone and India are just clearly taking a stand against it.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 7, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

Despite being beaten Sachin was unlucky although as they say "you win some you lose some" and although Sachin lost 1 today Sharma defintly won one today as before he'd even made 30 he was given not out thanks to umpire thinking he got bat pad however the replay showed it was pad bat but hey that's cricket, at least cricket without DRS . . .

Posted by boomslanger on (November 7, 2013, 11:58 GMT)

@Naman Gupta To reverse swing the ball in the subcontinent requires the right speed, trajectory, pitch , bounce and last but not the least some very subtle and slimy way to cuff/rough up the ball :) as we have seen from today's demonstration, West Indians are Gentlemen cricketer and therefore, the fact they could not reverse the ball a millimeter (hardly swing it the right way either, for that matter) was eminently on display today too. West Indians have, since the days of Hall and Griffith have always used the same strategy (to great effect, I should add) "Break or Blow" i.e. BREAK wickets or BLOW head. Ask Nari Contractor :P

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 11:54 GMT)

@MaruthuDelft the numbers are against you - Kallis has a better batting average as well as being an incisive bowler - it is Tendu who does not compare to him. If you are talking about the purely aesthetic pleasure of the sound off Tendu's bat blah blah fair enough - you are entitled to that entirely subjective opinion as of right but please don't try to pass it off as generally accepted fact. The first principle of journalistic rectitude remains - "Opinion is free but facts are sacred"!

Posted by g.narsimha on (November 7, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

LILIAN THOMSON- If only the averages are cretaria to conderes as great than how could u rate u r INZY, MIANDAD whose ave.are in 40s as per u r analogy both may not figure even in 500s whre as its totally in justice to these greats i personally regard INZY at par with SACHIN.irrespective of hir so called ave.

Posted by blthndr on (November 7, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

@2nd_Slip...as u may think kallis is class above sachin in terams of batting avg....do u know sachin's avg in eng and aus is 54 and 53 as compared to ur grt kallis's 35 n 48....class above i dont think so....and in Odis u just cant compare a SR of 86 with SR of 72...

Posted by afs_talyarkhan on (November 7, 2013, 11:47 GMT)

Tweet from Joshua Kay @js_kay Sachin #Tendulkar has a max of 3 Test innings to go. If he scores 13,635 runs without dismissal he'll finish with same average as #Bradman

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 7, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

@2nd_Slip: We all respect and accept Kallis is a great player but cant accept you calling JH Kallis a class above Sachin. Batting normally for 10 to 15 years and scoring lot of tons is a different story than you carry the burden of Ind team's batting single handedly for more than two decades...Its all about pressure..the pressure of 1 billion people on Sachin which he carried for more than a decade and won us numerous matches single handedly..you may have 1000 reasons to debate about Kallis but scoring tons of runs wtih that much pressure that is what makes Sachin special and class apart from the rest....that is why we call him God...it may not make sense for you but thats how we see him....

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:44 GMT)

tendulakar would have probably made a century today if there had been Drs. but then the name lies squarely on the bcci and the Indian players who have conspired to keep a good technology of when all other nations are for it

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:42 GMT)

and note, Sammy also "over-bowled" Narine in those matches as well.......

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:40 GMT)

@Naman Gupta - After 5 Test matches Shane Warne had 12 wickets (with 3 test at home, Muttiah Muralitharan had 16 wickets (with all tests at home [it should be noted that in one of the tests he did not bowl due to rain]) and Sunil Narine has 15 wickets (with 2 tests at home). My point??? Spinners have to be persisted with, nurtured and given chances to excel and HONE their craft. Spinning the ball and reading different situations in TEST MATCHES only come with experience. Narine clearly has the technical skill (the GREAT Sachin Tendulkar looks at sea sometimes when he is facing him!), he just needs the opportunity. Imagine if the Australian/Sri Lankan selectors didn't pick Warne/Murali because they didn't start off with a bang................ Walsh may have still had the record (although that may not be a bad thing!!!!) And lastly although Shillingford has clearly earned his place in front Narine in Tests, Narine should at least be on the tour as the second spin option.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:40 GMT)

congrats rohit sharma on ur test debut hundred. Thousands of ur die hard fans who rooted for ur test debut r happy ppl now. this is where u belonged & finally justice has been done to the humungous talent u possess. Had ur test debut been earlier ur critics would have gone hiding. but, better late than never. One maestro is leaving and other is in making. thanks rohit, u made my day. All the best !

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 7, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

@ sachin_vvsfan : Did u say Dhawan? In the eyes of respected India bashers, he is not even a flat track bully. He is a SLOGGER, atleast thats what I have read. If a slogger cud be the highest run scorer in an ICC tournament, surely SL cud do with the few sloggers.

Posted by vsroc on (November 7, 2013, 11:35 GMT)

Posted by Venkat Sraman on ( November 7,2013) Cricket lovers and fans were delighted to watch Rohit Sharma's well compiled century on debut against W.Indies.He played a marvelous innings today and his partnership of 73 runs with captain M.S.Dhon pulled India out of trouble.He is fourteenth Indian player to score century on debut.Ashwin steadied India's innin- gs with Rohit and their well combined batting blossomed to take a vital lead of 12O runs at the end of second day.

Posted by ShanNachimuthu on (November 7, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

For me Ashwin batting reminds little bit of VVS Laxman. Especially the pull shot and the cover drive. Also he a bit of wristy too. In my opinion he is better than Jadeja.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:26 GMT)

@greatest game-seriously u want to see narine after the thrashing he received from bangladesh.Cmon.he is in ordinary bowler.He has to perform well at first-class level, preferably county,to warrant any place in test team.Test cricket is about discipline,patience,and ability to bowl long spells.Something narine has never shown.One complaint I have with sammy is that he overused shilling ford, and completely neglected the other spinner (who wasn't doing badly).He was not only wearing out his main strike bowler,he wasn't allowing his other spinner to get into any sort of rhythm,minimising his effectiveness.Another complaint is the under use of pace bowlers there was chance of reverse swing.Just because it is the SUBCONTINENT doesn't mean pace bowlers have no role.Reverse swing at pace can play a major role as shown by all the Pakistani bowlers.And with reverse swing at pace,low bouncing pitches means stumps will be more often than not into play aswell,creating bowled and LBW chances.

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 7, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

Oops.. These two fellows have driven the interest out of the game and the possibility of a close contest with their arrogant batting display and have left Indian fans little to complain about after the earlier collapse.

On the contrary, this is unfair to India bashers, who were earlier given hope and then it was crushed to pulp later on.

Posted by boomslanger on (November 7, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

The true test of Md. Shami's skills and speed (as well as stamina) shall be when the Windies bat next. The pitch seems to be easing - Shillingford in his first spell was very dangerous but Indian batsmen began to pick him up better as the day wore on. The Eden pitch has done this in the past; like the great VVS knock Vs Oz. Also, the wicket may hold together longer (getting even paced) specifically because of the rains and moisture still in the clay.

Tino Best and Cottrell could hardly move the ball at any pace today, from 125KMph to 145KMph. This match does look like it shall end in no result. Er.. What kind of a shot did Pujara play? Or why??

Posted by Rags57 on (November 7, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Strange to see the Indian top order, known for being world-class players of spin, fail against spin that is nowhere in that category that too on an Indian pitch! Add to that the fact that the Indian spinners themselves did nothing of worth in their turn in the first innings. The lower half is bailing India out once again and Ashwin the batsman is proving better than Ashwin the bowler yet again. Rohit's success is to be cherished - hope he will fulfill the promise he held out several years ago when he emerged on the international scene. India is in great shape in this test but there are two big concerns that need to be addressed - one about the top order inconsistency in tests and the other about their spinners' inability to dominate on Indian tracks against good opposition!!

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

Outstanding performance from Rohit Sharma..........and R. Ashwin stand fruitful too......give them a big score

Posted by dganger on (November 7, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

Well played Rohit and Ashwin, I guess its a good punch to all India bashers who were all eagerly waiting to see India getting collapsed. Well its been quite a trend nowdayz in cricotosphere to bash India or belittling India;s performance, isnt it?

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (November 7, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

If someone compares Lara to Tendulkar it is valid. But why compare Kallis? Kallis never had the flair of a genius batsman like Tendulkar. Sangakara too has a brilliant batting record including that hundred to take Sri Lanka to victory in SA and so many other brilliant knocks but still there is something lacking. Indian fans say things like 'one billion fans pressure', 'the first world class indian sportsman' but I think that is unnecessary. Tendulkar really thrilled fans the world over with his batting in his first 6-7 years. The sound came out of Tendulkar's drives and cuts itself was so special. I enjoyed it first hand. Kallis is nothing compared to Tendulkar.

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 11:17 GMT)

@Andy...If I hurt you then sorry mate....I was not intended to do that

Posted by trueanalyst on (November 7, 2013, 11:12 GMT)

I have said umpteen times that Rohit belongs to the longer form of the game as his first class stats speak about his class. In list A his average confirms to his international stats. Rohit Sharma would not have got all the ridicule which he has suffered if he was made to cut his teeth in Test format but alas the So called GOD who has been worst than a mere mortal in last 2 years blocked his way. Like Dhoni it is an immensely satisfying day for me as I had got spot on about Rohit Sharma so was before for Sehwag,Pujara et all .Hope cricinfo has record of previous comments posted so that we can separate the wheat from the chaff (Ridiculous posts compared to the sanguine boarders)

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

@Andy.......don't be furious mate....do what ever you want...I am just suggesting that no need to say who is what....

Posted by 2nd_Slip on (November 7, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

@Jaidev Nair completely agree with you, taking nothing away from Sachin though he a legend of the game his fame and the hype behind him are more due to the fact that he hails the largest cricketing community(India) supporting and marketing him, whereas a player like JH Kallis who is clearly a class above Sachin comes from a smaller cricketing community SA and doesn't get much recognition outside SA. I bet if Kallis was Indian he would be praised as a God would have probably been made presidant of India by now lol :)

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

i watched the whole of day 2 live from eden gardens, and i was thoroughly impressed by Rohit Sharma's Innings. This was a completely different side of him we got to witness here after his mauling of the aussie bowlers in the penultimate ODI. An Innings which VVS Laxman or Rahul Dravid would have been proud of any day. But the best thing was, without any extravagance, he played with total authority.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 7, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

@bladerunners_daddy "Its also about time, somebody addresses rohit sharma and ashwin as flat track bullies without which the forum wudnt be complete"

ROFL!!. Dhawan/kholi are also missing some comments. The usual Sachin/BCCI DRS bashing will anyways exist. Wait for some time you will see those comments as well.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

This is like deja vu. WI take 5-6 wickets for cheap then let the India lower order make a ton of runs. Just like the last tour.

Posted by PPL11 on (November 7, 2013, 11:01 GMT)

Very happy to see R. Sharma playing the way he is now, all credits to him + Dhoni and Selectors to keep faith in him, job well done, now Sharma must make sure he carries his current form to next 2 - 3 years to give back lots of match winning to Dhoni and Selectors as a perfect return gift, all the best.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 11:00 GMT)

well played rohit ......u did good the tendulkar work

Posted by coolitbaby on (November 7, 2013, 10:59 GMT)

@Saud Sher Mohammad - and what happens to your so called great bowlers in important tournaments like world cup one day/t20, champions trophy, asia cup etc. you should look at ajmal's face when kohli hits him for six in asia cup.

Posted by 2nd_Slip on (November 7, 2013, 10:58 GMT)

As a fan of Sachin's marvelous batting, I am sad to admit that I enjoyed seeing him being dismissed early and hope the trend continues for the rest of the series just because his retirement is the cause of cutting short the more meaningful series against SA. Hoping WI come out strong tomorrow and win the series altogether

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 7, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

@VivFa: We all love and respect the WI players so much...it is the second fav team for us after India for some of us...if any of the comments which hurted you request you to just reply to that particular user do not mention India in general....

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:56 GMT)

Against Oz, Jadeja had a better avg, economy rate, and strike rate than even Ashwin, let alone Ojha. Crazy that he is rested whilst Pjha gets to play ahead of him & Mishra, who is the only quality legspinner around. Perhaps Ashwin can bat as a test no 6. Once SRT retires, Kohli and Rohit should move up one spot each. Ashwin is technically better against pace and short balls than Jadeja, who could still be a great no 8 bat and no 1 spinner. In other words, Jadeja is the bowling allrounder at 8, and Ashwin the batting allrounder batting at 6. Dhoni at 7, three pacemen like Yadav, Shami and Aaron/ Pankaj/ Bhuvi/ Zaheer.

Posted by JD04 on (November 7, 2013, 10:56 GMT)

Once again a reiteration that the young brigade is coming of age! Probably Sachin couldn't have timed his way out better. No doubt, we will miss his "evergreen" position in No 04 in Men in Blue's Test Line up, but probably it's always great to go out on a high.

I must mention that ESPN & Star Sports are trying their best for Sachin Tendulkar mania to grip the nation; and they have succeeded to quite an extent.

Hope India wins the series or better still both the test matches as a perfect gift for the one & only Master Blaster Sachin Tendulkar.

Posted by Naresh28 on (November 7, 2013, 10:53 GMT)

WELL DONE to the Indian team for buckling up and coming off a poor early start today. All we want to see is a victory for team India to honour Sachin. The spinners will have to play a key role in WI second innings. Tomorrow will be an important day.

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 7, 2013, 10:53 GMT)

@golgoal: Bro that is a bit harsh comment against Pak...you forgot one thing that like Pak has weakness in batting we have a weakness in bowling....Not long ago we were 8-0 in test matches when we toured Aus and Eng....we will only know how our team has developed when they travel to SA, Aus and Eng again...

@Saud Sher Mohammad: We respect your team because of the world class bowling you guys have in your team buddy....Peace...

Posted by Vijyes on (November 7, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

@ Andy Parry, I too saw Lara's 400 innings for first 8-10 overs. And you know what - Lara was out on 0- plumb lbw- but the umpire denied it. So, how is Lara's 400 entertaining when you know that he was given a lifeline? I don't know about his 375 knock as I didn't watch it.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (November 7, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

@blade-runner: Are you for real bro ? Cause really I can hardly take your comments seriously. They resemble the satirical frenzy of a comic book. If India is not the best subcontinental team, then either you been under a rock, OR, you simply don't know what quality cricket is. I know you don't support team India, but to simply come to an Indian article and post nonsense without proper facts is only making you look funny.

Posted by srinideva on (November 7, 2013, 10:47 GMT)

This is totally stupid move by WICB. what they think themselves? Narine is the Top pick spin bowler in Indian conditions. Shane bowled almost 40% of WI bowling and picked 4 Wkts..he has no support to the other end. Shame that Rampaul is not considered for Test matches. He is genuine fast bowler and Wicket taker. Thank you WICB from Indian Fan.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (November 7, 2013, 10:44 GMT)

Well done ROHIT SHARMA & ASHWIN !!!! What a partnership; India in command of this test match now. I always knew Rohit had the potential and today he has proven all his cynics wrong. And what an awesome batsman Ashwin is, a classy all rounder for India in tests at last. It is actually funny reading comments from India team bashers. They are a lucky charm for team India in many ways. So keep it going guys, cause whenever you talk nonsense, India always play well and win most of the time.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

@sachin_vvsfan : You forget something, Sangakarra for a major part of his career played as a WK as well, while Kallis was effectively a frontline bowler sending quite a few overs every innings.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

@golgoal I think so u haven't seen the faces of ishant and dinda and the other thing is I think so u r not remembering the match when junaid khan and our bowlers left ur team in tatters ,and btw u can see the average of Misbah

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 7, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

@ Vivfan : Sir, Wake up.. India has definitely not scored 500 but they have definitely done what you did not expect them to do and as a result posted that comment. One thing I can tell u for sure, if there is any other team i love besides India, it is WI.

Its also about time, somebody addresses rohit sharma and ashwin as flat track bullies without which the forum wudnt be complete.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:36 GMT)

@Cricdew you are kidding me right? No-one was comparing them and it would be impossible to do so. Are we not allowed to be passionate about or favourite players? So many people are passionate about Tendulkar and good for them as he is a great batsman. I was merely pointing out to @LillianThomson that I preferred to watch Lara.

If it is pointless debate you want then go check the Aussie page. I saw people stupidly arguing between about Ponting and Clark and which of them was the greatest captain Australia ever had; and completely forgetting that Don Bradman, Allan Border, Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh were all better captains.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:31 GMT)

Chanderpaul and Kallis are the two most undersung players in world cricket today. Their records are incredible and yet no one talks about them. Not taking away anything from the others but is this a result of the fans input into the media? JN

Posted by golgoal on (November 7, 2013, 10:20 GMT)

@Saud Sher Mohammad -- No need for Ashwin. Bhuvneshwar or Pragyan Ojha would do better than Misbah and the Akmals if you play them as batsmen in Pakistan team :-)

Posted by golgoal on (November 7, 2013, 10:17 GMT)

@blade_runner can you tell us in that case which of the subcontinent teams is a great one, if not india (that has won 2 world cups, champions trophy, and many other tournaments all round the world)? Pak is inconsistent, BD is talented but not a winning team, Sri Lanka is barely able to hold on it its international status...

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:16 GMT)

day by day rohit proving his talent.. now our batting is in safe hands

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 7, 2013, 10:15 GMT)

you dont make millions of fans with out some haters. So true for sachin.

@Greatest_Game, @LillianThomson perhaps you could stay away from our forums and have peace.

@LillianThomson So is dhawan part of your top 20 average list(he has 100+ in one match) Hussey had bradmansque avg in the beginning so is he still in that top20?

Very soon your favorite Kallis and sangakkaras avg too will come down just like Sachins( ~57 from 2011 to 53 current) I am sure they don't even last 200 test matches. Sachin at helm destroyed the likes of Mcgrath, warne, donald but your kallis well how many hundreds he got against Aus? Sure his avg of 73 against India inflated his overall avg but none of your contemporary favorites have better avg than sachin Aus/Eng

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (November 7, 2013, 10:15 GMT)

Sammy only has himself to blame with this one. The selection, bowler changes and individual performance have all been well short of the standard expected. Time for new blood some will say...

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 7, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 9:59 GMT): Not on a different page here mate. I wasn't comparing, merely pointing out that it is a matter of perception. Hope my second comment clears my take on this.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 10:10 GMT)

Well done ROhit! Where is West Indians best spinner Sunil Narine?

Posted by ARJa on (November 7, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

Sammy needs to go permenantly. Even Bhuwaneshwar Kumar can bat better than him and Sammy is batting at no. 7. Disgraceful performance by the captain.

Posted by Bokesh on (November 7, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

once again SRT is undone by umpire, most of all must be remembering S.Buckner who, with all respect for him,more often than not,gave a clear impression or at least gave people a chance to think so, of being quite unfair at times to the Indians there could not be any doubt about his ability but still think there were some moments where the decision could easily go in favor of the Indians. Anyways, at the present juncture of game it appears SRT would get another chance to bat.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 7, 2013, 10:01 GMT)

@Posted by Andy Parry on (November 7, 2013, 9:37 GMT): You misunderstand me. I wasn't berating you for choosing Lara over Sachin as the better batsman. I was simply pointing out that it is a matter of personal choice. That's all I meant by bias. For me Sachin was a better overall batsman because of his consistency across formats over the years and supreme ODI record whereas Lara wasn't as good ODI batsman as Sachin.

All I meant to point out is people will always have different perceptions, it doesn't make any great player less or more important.

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 9:59 GMT)

@Andy & @IndianSRT.........why you people wont understand that legends always be legends ...you both are making mockery of yourselves by comparing both of them...SO please enjoy the cricket ...And I am requesting to both of you ..please don't make these stupid types of comparisions

Posted by Lets_Bash_Indians on (November 7, 2013, 9:56 GMT)

you keep your LARA,, We'll Keep our Sachin tendulkar. Thank You. Nothing to Fight. #all critics

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 9:50 GMT)

I think west indies bowling look so pathetic tino has the pace but no line or length, shillingford was impressive but getting him bowl so many overs it will be easier for any batsman to read the bowler and other bowlers are unimpressed so far.

Posted by Naresh28 on (November 7, 2013, 9:42 GMT)

Pujara needs to buck up for the SA series. He might be a bit rusty cause of the long breaks from international cricket. Would love to see Juneja part of the Indian team however where would he be slotted in?

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

@IndianSRTfan how can it be bias when I am a New Zealander. Tendulka was a good batsmen that is true, but I believe that Lara was better and much more exciting to watch. His 375 and 400* against England were some of the best innings that I have ever seen.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 9:36 GMT)

Ashwin can play as an opener in the Pakistani team.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 9:32 GMT)

thanks for your imp insight mr blade-runner but even if we cant do anything on the field we still are the world champs and ct champions in eng. a team called sri lanka who cant bat bowl or field and gets defeated by india at home. so before being judgemental on india first look at ur own teams achievement. get over your loser attitude like your own team. we are one of the top teams and will remain so. but look at your team where talent is a barren desert..

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 9:28 GMT)

@blade_runner when did the last time SriLanka won series against India which cannot play with the cricket ball!

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (November 7, 2013, 9:26 GMT)

DRS should be used in conjunction with Hot Spot and snickometer. The technology was designed to eliminate the howlers in the game.

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (November 7, 2013, 9:25 GMT)

Runs go to Ashwin just like they go to great players. He doesn't take any chances but scoring at 70%.

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (November 7, 2013, 9:23 GMT)

Rohit has a very good technique, but it was his temperament that was an issue before. It seems that this has changed now and is showing he can play well under pressure. He's playing with responsibility, which is good to see, because many times he has had starts but thrown them away. However, consistency for Rohit across all formats is the key. His longevity will be made apparent on how he copes overseas against more potent attacks, where the conditions favour the bowlers more. Other than that, I'm just glad that Rohit is succeeding.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 9:19 GMT)

how can west indies think about a bowling attack which does not feature sunil

Posted by Vijyes on (November 7, 2013, 9:17 GMT)

Rohit has been extremely good on his debut. But we should not let it overshadow Ashwin's performance. He has taken 2 wickets too and this half century in addition to that. He too has contributed equally well today

Posted by LillianThomson on (November 7, 2013, 9:16 GMT)

@Harmony111 The statistics on DRS are there for all to see.

In series without DRS, the ICC states that 91% of wicket decisions are correct.

In series with DRS, the ICC states that 98% of wicket decisions are correct.

Bear in mind that the vast majority of decisions are black and white. This means that for a marginal decision there is roughly a 50% chance an umpire gets it right without DRS, and around an 85% chance of getting it right with DRS.

I live in Australia but I'm a Kiwi with family in England. And in all 3 countries while we acknowledge that DRS makes some mistakes, we all prefer playing with it.

Don't mistake the Ashes controversies for a desire to get rid of DRS. It just made us realise that there need to be specialist DRS umpires.

Posted by Harmony111 on (November 7, 2013, 9:15 GMT)

Dhoni, Rohit & now Ashwin have done well to pull India out of a tough situation. Ashwin esp has been so smooth in his batting & is scoring runs pretty quickly. By the way, is it just me or is there any one else who feels that at times Ashwin looks a carbon copy of VVS? Just like VVS, Ashwin bats in a very poetic manner, almost like erotica. Jut like VVS, Ashwin too plays some outstanding against the spin shots to balls that pitch on his leg stump. Just like VSS, Ashwin too loves to dab the ball to the 3rd man. And just like VVS, Ashwin too is a poor runner and struggles to take quick singles.

The good thing is that the next man, Bhuvneshwar Kumar has shown that he too is in the same mould as VVS & Ashwin and has a lot of time for his shots & has a nice looking smooth technique except his slightly Ponting like back lift.

But yeah, WI have bowled well. Shillingford has been lovely & Tino Best too has looked sharp in patches. This is going to be a lovely match & a series.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 7, 2013, 9:09 GMT)

Posted by Greatest_Game on (November 7, 2013, 8:37 GMT): " The only lesson I can think of that India could teach is how to have your top order look clueless against spin" Don't we already have SA and Australia to look upto for that particular lesson?

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 9:05 GMT)

People who are talking about inclusion of Narain .I think they should understand cricket properly,This is ain't T-20 or ODI...Its a test match and he does possess 48 average with ball ..I don't think he would have been any threat to Indian Line up

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 7, 2013, 9:05 GMT)

@Posted by Andy Parry on (November 7, 2013, 8:01 GMT): " maybe it was that West Indian charm and flair that made it more exciting to watch when compared to Satchin" Maybe it's only your own preference and bias. Just like millions of others(including me) have their own opinion.

Posted by SuperSharky on (November 7, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

Umpires do make mistakes and they will do so in the future too. Watching this, reminded me of the time before DRS when other nations also had to hold nix not to get undone by an umpires mistake. I love the way captains use their DRS replays. It brings a new dimension to the game. The eager captains who always think their appeals are never wrong, get's a few surprises, but I've seen cool captains really using their DRS well. Sometimes could have got a wicket if they take the DRS, but most of the times they do make brave decisions not to take the DRS after a strong appeal and a rejection from the umpire. Those captains do understand cricket. It's also interesting to hear that not all Indians are against DRS. Some of them can really see the benefits of DRS too, even thou they and the rest of the world knows DRS is not yet perfect.

Posted by Vijyes on (November 7, 2013, 9:01 GMT)

Ashwin has proved his mettle in batting once again. After all, he was initially selected as Opening batsman in first class cricket though he ended up being a spinner

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

The second innings of both teams will play a vital part in this match the West Indies must bowl out India and restrict their lead, sadly Sammy seems to be unaware of what to do at the moment.

Posted by Harmony111 on (November 7, 2013, 8:54 GMT)

@LillianThomson & the other usual suspects:

Did we face no issues with DRS in the past? There have been so many problems that I can't remember how many. The recent Ashes was the best example for the failure of DRS. It was so woeful that Hot Spot was not used in the SA-Pak series at all and if I am correct then there will be no Hot Spot in the next Ashes too.

Why are you guys stuck on DRS by the way? Who asked for it? After Sydney 2008 India had asked for better umpiring. Some chaps thought they will make a complicated & expensive system that would still keep faltering every now and then.

If & when India get a wrong decision, do not talk about DRS. Rather you should talk about the fundamental problem, that of lower quality umpiring AND ways to solve it in ways that are affordable. For eg, a very large no of decisions can be corrected by a simple request to ask the 3rd umpire to re-look using slo-mo yet you guys never thought about it.

No Hot Spot in Ashes => The joke's you guys.

Posted by Haleos on (November 7, 2013, 8:46 GMT)

Well done Ashwin. I criticize him a lot but that is for ODIs and T20s which I think he should not be part of. In tests he is good.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (November 7, 2013, 8:37 GMT)

An excellent recovery by India, again sparked by that man Dhoni! Rohit gained in confidence seeing his skipper take the fight to WI, and is playing with a nice balance of composure & attack. Solid support from Ashwin, whose attack has left Sammy looking out of ideas.

Dhoni has an incredible ability to lift his team, in the same way that when Smith gets stuck into the bowling, his team respond. Interestingly, neither would be described as elegant, graceful, balanced batsmen, but they do prove that clubbing their opponents with ungainly but effective stroke play, they put the opposition off balance.

Congratulations to Rohit on a maiden fifty.

@ cricketstarbest who posted "Now India will teach WI a lesson." The only lesson I can think of that India could teach is how to have your top order look clueless against spin, Disappointed to see Narine left out - he and Shillingford would be a deadly combo in this game.

Against all oddes, we have a real game unfolding before us.

\Viva tes

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 7, 2013, 8:33 GMT)

Its so funny how people say in this forum that is India is faaar from the best team in the world in any format. Looks like the word 'best' would need a new meaning now because .. (ohh never mind, tired of mentioned all the series since CT again and again)

BTW, Oops.. India are on top in the match and all set to lead. GO INDIA!!

Posted by Harizs on (November 7, 2013, 8:32 GMT)

Mistake can happen by umpires no big deal its a part of the game now. even DRS is the solution but we saw what happened in Ashes 2013 , though i still think DRS can be useful , Im indian fan, but really hate BCCI. Indian Cricket team has done nothing wrong its not in thier hands to accept or refuse DRS. BCCI is the culprit. @ vivfan ; brother we have always appreciated west indies for thier sporting spirit , please ignore stupid comments by few indian who dont talk sense. Wi is a good team, and im glad they took wickets to make the match intresting..cheers and enjoy the match

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 8:28 GMT)

I wonder why is BCCI against the use of DRS? when it clearly minimize errors and give batsmen an option when they know they are not out and it happens a lot. The only reason I can think of is that India has a very weak bowling attack and they will not like if they take a wicket and the decision is reversed. @Espn cricinfo please publish

Posted by Srini_Chennai on (November 7, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

@Blade-Runner: Yup, we were struggling at one point. Not so now. Rohit and Ashwin will take India's lead past 50. This is India, not SL where after the loss of Sangakkara and Jaywardene, situation is hopeless.

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 8:22 GMT)

As an Indian fan .........I can feel the frustration of other countries fan...but what I can say except feeling pity on them

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 8:16 GMT)

It shows how much frustrated you are by getting left - right from India....feels pity nothing less....

Posted by Resultpredictor on (November 7, 2013, 8:11 GMT)

Now India will teach WI a lesson.

Posted by Cricdew on (November 7, 2013, 8:05 GMT)

@VivFan.........But still we are more than enough for the teams like WI and SL ...just back in CT and Tri-Series back at your own backyard ,we have proven that...And again from 83/5 we are in strong position of 227/6...So please be gentle...Cricinfo please publish

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

@LillianThomson Stats will disagree with me but I always rated Lara higher than Tendulka. Lara was simply a joy to watch and when he was on fire he was simply brilliant, maybe it was that West Indian charm and flair that made it more exciting to watch when compared to Satchin,

Posted by LillianThomson on (November 7, 2013, 7:41 GMT)

How ironic.

If India accepted the use of DRS, Tendulkar would not have dropped out of the Top Twenty All-Time Averages today.

He now has a huge struggle to get back in to the Top 20 of all time: he requires 204 runs in his remaining three Test innings.

There is a lovely symmetry to him now being Number 22 with Brian Lara at Number 23, as most of us bracket them together.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 7:38 GMT)

I didn't even realize Chanderpaul was still playing. My god that man has some staying power. As a Kiwi I have always admired him even when he has at times been overshadowed by the likes of Lara or Gayle. Great work West Indies, I am really looking forward to having you here in New Zealand this summer.

I am keeping a keen eye on this series with both teams touring New Zealand this summer, though I must admit I am looking forward to having the West Indies here a lot more since they are much nicer tourists.

Posted by beaconhill on (November 7, 2013, 7:20 GMT)

What if Tendulker's last 4 innings are all ended by poor decisions...

You know 3 letters are better than L, B & W???

D, R & S !!!

Posted by Vivfan on (November 7, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

Indian supporters need to stop being so arrogant, please. I was reading comments by Indian fans saying that India will win by Innings blah blah; India will get 500 and declare. Please realize that Ind aren't the best in the world, in any format, faaaar from it.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 7:09 GMT)

I think umpire should take decision against India more and more, so that they can help ICC to make DRS compulsory

Posted by SUPER_SIX on (November 7, 2013, 7:04 GMT)

Now BCCI will say they want DRS for the next match.

Posted by bhushanB on (November 7, 2013, 7:04 GMT)

Sachin's dismissal ...though disappointing and unfortunate..... cannot blame the umpire.....it looked out in real time...

Posted by bhushanB on (November 7, 2013, 6:58 GMT)

Sammy definitely missed a trick here by bowling himself.. when the situation required Tino Best's probing spell... now he let the two batsmen gain confidence

Posted by shamsulislam on (November 7, 2013, 6:52 GMT)

This is a historic match, as it is Tendulkar's farewell series. Though he fail to deliver in the first innings, but I am sure he will deliver in the second innings of this match. Best of luck Tendulakr.

Posted by Vivfan on (November 7, 2013, 6:51 GMT)

Ironic isn't it. Indian fans saying that SA can't play spin; evidence suggest that neither can India.

@Sorcerer, I agree. India does not deserve sympathy in poor umpiring decisions, this is what happens when you become too arrogant and search for technology we don't have and arrogantly not use what we have.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 6:47 GMT)

Sharma just got away, thanks to the same umpire. So, let Llong continue!

Posted by Greatest_Game on (November 7, 2013, 6:44 GMT)

Looks like Satchin would have done better in South Africa against Dale Steyn - with UDRS of course!

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

The real thing about sachin's dismissal is that its actually not a dodgy decision at all by the umpire in real time it looked OUT only from the side to see the height can you say it was a bad decision. We should not be judging umpires decisions to be bad or good after seeing the video evidence because the umpires do not have that!! I mean come on they are human they do the best they can they are not superman... before DRS this would have been a regular accepted decision.

Posted by nayonika on (November 7, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

Nigel Llong or is it Nigel Wrong...! If only we had implemented DRS we could have eliminated such howlers..

Posted by Paul-in-Finland on (November 7, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

India / DRS : hahaha : India out played by its own game.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

Again india struggling in a test match at home. The Aus-Ind ODI series was meaningless. Players should have done the Ranji as preparation for this series that in itself was arranged ad hoc. Under preapred India. They havent studied the opposition well. If only Sunil naraine was also plying!

Also India need a more consistent opener than Vijay. Shewag should be always in the radar for his bowling too. India need a left hander at 4/5/6. Indian spinners dont seem to be effective at all.

Indian bowling also lacks a decent 5th bowler. A test match side needs 5 bowlers plus a part timer. In India you can play 3 spinners while on faster pitches 3 fast bowlers.

Jadeja is not that good. But okay. Ashwins bowling not as much as Harbajans or Kumbles.

India havent learned from their loss to England.

But BCCI doesnt care about test cricket.

Posted by dunger.bob on (November 7, 2013, 6:33 GMT)

It's so nice to see the Windies helping to keep it real.

I think they've been quietly and steadily improving for most of the last 4 years or so. They are capable of some really good things but consistency seems to be their major problem. A good session or two followed up by some not so good ones.

Shillingford is a pretty tall bloke and from what I remember he gives it a bit of a tweak. Good energy of the ball. It's not surprising he's causing problems if his lengths are good.

Anyway, good on you West Indies, keep up the good work.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 6:22 GMT)

Lets see if India can hack it at test cricket!! EVEN AGAINST WI at HOME.. its all well and good making huge scores in ODI rules against weak AUS bowling, can they even make good score against WI at home?? lets see, IND do not play proper cricket just hit and miss limited over cricket. But I hope they prove me wrong because test series in ENG FIVE TEST MATCHES!! will be a very long boring summer if they are not up to the task.......

Posted by Sorcerer on (November 7, 2013, 6:13 GMT)

India vetoing DRS, deserve no sympathy when it comes to dodgy umpiring decisions. DRS minimizes chances of mistakes.

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 6:08 GMT)

Nigel L long's career as an umpire is in danger now. :):):)

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 5:50 GMT)

And with that decision, you will now never see him umpire in India again... lol

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 5:46 GMT)

please at least select the best umpires for the last test. don't kill the sachin and cricket by selecting nige l llong again

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (November 7, 2013, 5:46 GMT)

Shillingford best against Sachin of course with the help of Nigel Llong.. I need to say all umpires PLEASE Do not give out if you are not sure. ...Very very poor decision...

Posted by Surajrises on (November 7, 2013, 5:45 GMT)

What a poor poor decision by Nigel Llong! This is not the first time that he has come up with such a bad decision! The ball hit on Tendulkar's thigh and he still gave it out.. I hope he is not coming to Wankhede or the Bombay people are going to boo him around for sure...

Posted by   on (November 7, 2013, 5:43 GMT)

India played out at its own game......if only the DRS was in operation!

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