India v West Indies, 1st Test, Kolkata, 3rd day

Shami's nine give India innings win

The Report by Abhishek Purohit

November 8, 2013

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Manjrekar: 'The pitch suited Shami's style'

India 453 (Rohit 177, Ashwin 124, Shillingford 6-167) beat West Indies 234 (Samuels 65, Shami 4-71) and 168 (Shami 5-47) by an innings and 51 runs
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Mohammed Shami bowled with great pace and precision, India v West Indies, 1st Test, Kolkata, 3rd day, November 8, 2013
Mohammed Shami took nine wickets, the most by an India fast bowler on Test debut © BCCI
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West Indies collapsed from 101 for 1 to 168 all out, plummeting to an innings defeat inside three days at Eden Gardens. R Ashwin, who completed his second Test hundred in the morning, made key incisions in the West Indies top order before Mohammed Shami blew the rest away with another controlled display of reverse swing. Shami took nine wickets in the game, the most by an India fast bowler on debut. Six of them were bowled, all with the old ball.

Ashwin ended with five wickets to go with his hundred. The batting landmark came in the first session when he and debutant centurion Rohit Sharma stretched the lead past 200. West Indies had nearly halved the deficit for the loss of only Chris Gayle when they were demolished either side of tea by Ashwin and then Shami.

West Indies lost their last nine batsmen in 23.3 overs, a reflection of how quickly a Test can turn on the subcontinent with reverse swing and spin. West Indies would have been eyeing a decent lead when Kieran Powell and Darren Bravo put on 68 for the second wicket. The new ball did little and the spinners were toiling without too much bite and luck.

Powell took 31 deliveries to score his first run and on 7, became the third West Indies batsman in the game to be dropped off the luckless Pragyan Ojha. Gayle was beaten and edged outside off, but responded in the manner he knows, hitting seven fours in his 33. In exactly the same manner that Powell had thrown it away in the first innings, Gayle tried to pull Bhuvneshwar Kumar from way outside off, and top-edged to square leg.

Bravo and Powell could not match Gayle's pace, but they also cut down on risk. Unless the spinners bowled too full or short, they defended carefully, mostly off the back foot. The turn was largely slow, but invariably one would kick from the rough or stay low. To their credit, Bravo and Powell did not panic and try to hit out.

Playing back to spin was getting increasingly dangerous, though, and Powell found that out when an Ashwin delivery pitched on a good length and hit him on the shin with tea only two overs away. Marlon Samuels fell to Shami for the second time in the match, but this time with help from umpire Nigel Llong, who gave the batsman lbw even though the reversing inswinger was headed down the leg side.

A shocked West Indies went to tea on 112 for 3 but the real panic set in after the break. Bravo became the third West Indies top-order batsman to fall in the thirties. His partner Powell had gone to low bounce, but Bravo departed to extra lift. In the second over after tea, Ashwin got a wide one to kick, Bravo still went for the cut and could not keep it down. That was the one shot he had been eager to play in an otherwise cautious stay, and he fell by it.

Shami had developed some serious rhythm by now. Denesh Ramdin was again found short at No. 6, inside-edging a reversing short-of-a-length delivery to short leg. Darren Sammy following Ramdin has to be one of the weakest batting combinations in Test cricket. The West Indies captain tried to hang on, but soon had his middle stump uprooted by another reversing delivery. Like in the first innings, Shivnarine Chanderpaul watched the meltdown, his propensity to take a single off the first ball of an over with the tail only hastening the end.

The tail fell apart in no time, handing India their fifth successive win, and West Indies their first loss after six consecutive wins against New Zealand, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. It was a gutting end to the match for Shane Shillingford, who laboured through 55 overs to pick up six wickets.

Shillingford had lacked support from the second spinner Veerasammy Permaul, who could not trouble the batsmen. There was reverse available in the morning with a 16-overs old ball but unlike Shami, Tino Best had little control over it. To add to his limited batting, Sammy could not do anything with the ball.

Rohit and Ashwin looked set to make West Indies toil into the second session when umpire Richard Kettleborough ended Rohit's innings on 177. He had padded up to Permaul but replays showed the ball would have missed off stump. Shillingford bowled Ashwin on 124 to claim his fifth wicket, but like his fellow bowlers, the West Indies batsmen failed to back their offspinner's efforts.

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Posted by   on (November 10, 2013, 21:31 GMT)

The result of the test in three days no surprise at all. It is early days and WI are not a great test side, but there are serious talent replacing Dravid, Laxman and others. There is no need for the BCCI to shy away from playing SA away and instead arrange an easy series at home. I reckon India would have a great chance beating the Proteas if the upcoming tour schedule (is it still going to take place at all ?) had included three matches. The only way India would become the No 1 test side again is to play SA and England away as much as possible. There is no need to take easy options, really.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 10, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

@Posted by hhillbumper on (November 9, 2013, 9:48 GMT): "the most obvious reason why........a national hero." You don't seem to know Indians at all. Not surprising given the contents of that comment reek of green. So allow me to counter your conclusions with a few hard facts.

1.Couple of Sixes in IPL makes you a national hero: Wrong. It is every, and I mean every single, Indian child's dream to play cricket for INDIA, not city based franchises. This is not EPL mate. IPL, much to the dismay of bashers, remains at best summer entertainment for us. To further counter your point, players like Valthaty, Manish Pandey are not national heroes, Sachin and Dravid are.

2.arrogance and ego...the hard yards: No hard yards?? Are you kidding me? When there are millions of young kids trying to break into various teams at every level, all with a common dream of playing for India, can you even imagine what the competition's like and just how much effort it requires just to get noticed?....Contd

Posted by   on (November 10, 2013, 7:15 GMT)

It is sad to see that a bowler takes 9 wickets in spite of conditions that don't favor bowlers and yet a single century takes precedence when it comes to the man of the match award! This game was not won by Rohit, but Shami's contribution clearly nailed it. He got the headlines but not the award. Such a shame. This is a game where the batsmen get everything and the bowlers are side dishes... at best. They might as well install automatic bowling machines. Why waste all that energy and motivation of a real bowler?

Posted by   on (November 10, 2013, 7:10 GMT)

Such a shame that bowlers do their best and give stunning performances in spite of pathetic bowling conditions, yet 9 wickets are trumped by a single century when it comes to the man of the match award. This is a batsman's world. Sadly, bowlers are side dishes.... at best. This was Shami's award by all means.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 10, 2013, 3:35 GMT)

@hhillbumper, game is always bigger than any individual player. But game isn't bigger than the players who play it and humans. Simple as that! IPL has given life to many Indian and overseas players. You also need to note that, not that we'll be worried if you don't note, the poor man on the Indian streets is making better money by selling some errands. Test Cricket, with all its hard-yards and such blah blah blah, couldn't make a difference in the lives of all these 'second' grade players and 'some' poor people of India. It seems like this simple fact is lost on some people, who cannot hold human lives and standard of living on a higher pedestal than a sport, which is made for human beings and not the other way around. As such, I will choose IPL over test cricket 10 out of 10 times; my username should tell everybody that I'm a huge fan of Dravid and test matches, by extension. So, be happy in your cold-hearted cocoon while 'some' Indians/humans enjoy better standard of living!

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 10, 2013, 3:32 GMT)

@bladerunners_daddy, mate, I have a question for you. There's a player who played over 400 ODIs and average is in low-30s with a strike-rate in 70s. He is being touted as a Legend whereas bashers from that player's country bash our players as flat-track bullies. Who is that 'Legendary' player? ;-)! Do you really want to waste your time for that minnow series?

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (November 10, 2013, 1:26 GMT)

@IPSY, I lost respect on your comments when you compared Sachin with players like Misbah, Chander. I don't say they are not good players but they are not eligible for that comparision. Why don't you compare Hashim Amla's bad phase with Sachin. Probably should have retired sometime back or probably NOT. But Indian test team definitely need senior players like SRT, VVS, Dravid in transition time. You probably don't like Sachin and that is purely your personal but your stats comparison is false.

Posted by WonkyBail on (November 9, 2013, 21:38 GMT)

devil_in_details on (November 8, 2013, 21:36 GMT) I think you should refrain from such outlandish claims till India has beaten any notable team outside of the sub-continent. Undoubtedly a promising result but " Indian cricket will touch heights unforeseen in the history of this beautiful game" seems a bit excessive on the back of a home win over the No.6 ranked test team, bless. The trouble is if Shami, Rohit... fail a couple of times the billion "experts" will be baying for blood, if India starts preparing SOME pitches with a bit of juice in them then Indian fast bowlers will have a chance to develop and consequently compete in Eng/Aus/SA. I know India won in England 7 or 8 years ago but it was more of Englands over reliance on Flintoff at that time and he was out for the series; I would like it if test series world wise favoured home sides but offered something for the opposition too.

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 9, 2013, 19:00 GMT)

Cntd.........Any1 callin pitches in our last ENG/AUS tours as "Greentops" must b kidding. Those wer typical Eng/Aus Tracks. V jst didnt hav d team dat time nor ws MSD inspiring enuf, altho v wer ranked No.1 den. V playd on REAL Greentops in 2001-02 NZ tour wher both teams got bowled out for <150 in most of d inngs. Tracks in 2002 and 2007 Engl tours wer much livelier when Dravid ws in his pomp. Aussie tracks were much livelier in our 2000 tour. So v must stop dis excuse of greentops as MSD wants us to believ. Nt a big MSD fan in Test cricket of course, tho he's great in ODI/ T20. Calling back unfit RP Singh to d team frm his holiday in US ws a joke. Ignorin V.Aaron when available thru-out ODIs in Eng ws a blunder. Consistently pickin Ishant fr last 2 yrs in Tests despite bad returns, picking Raina for overseas tests & ignoring Rahane for Tests is inexplicable & clear favoritism. A Captain can only back a promising player. IS has never graduated, forget about consistency

Posted by TSJ07 on (November 9, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

Posted by Englishfan on (November 8, 2013, 20:20 GMT)............ I actually reckon with bowlers such as Bhuvi Kumar, Yadav and Shami, India will cause us problems. And if Dhawan and Pujara continue their excellent starts to their international careers, and Kohli and Rohit Sharma start scoring a lot of test runs before this summer, it will be a long series.

Mate thank you for your unbiased opinion.Yes as an Indian fan I would agree with you and Zahher will add to that list of your as well. But having known the Indian selectors for long I am not sure these four will travel overseas TOGETHER coz somehow Dhoni and selectors will try to fit in either Ishant or Vinay infact may be both. With India travelling overseas to SA AUS and ENG in near future selectors and Dhoni have to decide/plan from now onwards.I just hope we dont burn out players like Bhuvi/Shammi like we did with Ishant by playing every test,ODI,T-20, IPL and all other matches with no rest.

Posted by Night-Watchman on (November 9, 2013, 16:03 GMT)

Let us hope Mumbai can do better and have the grace to honour Shivnaraine Chanderpaul who is on his last tour of India.

Posted by Night-Watchman on (November 9, 2013, 16:02 GMT)

Kolkata and Bengal are known for its culture. Warmth and hospitality are a part of it. It is indeed unfortunate that while they went overboard in celebrating the greatest son of the country, they forgot the graciousness required to felicitate another veteran and gentleman cricketer. I am talking about Shivnaraine Chanderpaul. A third generation Indian origin West Indian, he is one of the most underrated cricketers in the world. He was still the last man standing for West Indies as has often been the story in the last decade. Almost 40, I do not think India or Kolkata will ever see him in action again. Tasteless and graceless of Bengal and Kolkata to have forgotten to honour him.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 15:55 GMT)

How long does it take for West Indies to improve or become truly "competitive?" Let's admit it , we have been rubbish for decades now! Our golden age was over a long time ago and it saddens me to say that our cricket might just be condemned to "the dustbin of history" - well, at least Test cricket. Gayle, is a glorified slogger and everyone still mentions him in their starting list? Like the others - with technical deficiencies - they are more suitable to T20 where the main focus is on entertainment (not forgetting the dancing!). Perhaps, a new start with Samuels (captain?) and some of the young emerging players may offer a renaissance in the distant future but at the moment nothing short of a full-blooded revolution in WI cricket would offer a solution.

Posted by Rajnish_aggarwal on (November 9, 2013, 15:31 GMT)

India is lucky to get a bowler like Mohd Shami. For a righty, he is very very dangerous bowler with his reverse swing / off cutter. His accurate line and length with reasonably quick pace added with the good amount of deviation, is a lethal combination. He needs to develop ball to bowl out lefties also. Rohit has matured after being made captain of Mumbai Indians and has applied better to play the rising deliveries.His attitude has also changed from a lazy boy to a sensible man. His technique and stamina have improved a lot. He has started delivering to the confidence posed in him by Indian cricketing fraternity. I am sure he will perform well at the spot vacated by Sachin, the legend. Thanks God, Ashwin returned to the sensible bowling. But most astonishing thing came out from his bat. He is playing like VVS in his prime days. Will Dhoni drop down to allow him play at 4 down. Ashwin was very solid in defense against the offie as well as other bowlers. Congrats India. Farewell Sachin.

Posted by Ali_Eorse on (November 9, 2013, 15:13 GMT)

M. Shami needs to avoid being a Zaheer, Sreesanth, and Ishant. How can Shami do this? Simple: No parties, No PR or news stunts, etc. Just focus on bowling, rest, exercise, and read/breathing cricket. Not much. The only way he will avoid being a Zaheer, Sreesanth, and Ishant. Remember: Shami is not in the same league as Jimmy A. from UK, Dale S. from SA, and Mitchell J. from Aus. These guys: focus on their craft and avoid distractions. The reason Indian bowlers are the worst: they are easily distracted and are not serious about work ethic. Example: Harbhajan, Ishant. Enough said.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 14:58 GMT)

Swing of other bowlers can be known as the ball swings in air too, but Shami's swing was not recognised even by good batsmen like Chanderpaul on some ocassions.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 14:29 GMT)

actually its the haters and bashers, the fellow fans from other country is glorifying us and our victories. their comments degrading india in all aspect like batting bowling and fielding shows how scared they are to face or play against us. i am loving it. honestly our fellow fans from other asian countries are actually proving to us again and again as how strong we are and how weak their teams are..go on mates we love and enjoy your scared points.. ha ha somewhere i read some stuff from our dear bangladesh fans, and i just keep on laughing reading hilarious. a victory against NZ(who is really playing pathetic cricket) makes them fly so high. gimme a break. what makes them think that they can defeat any country and india specially. last time bd lost 2-0 to us playing at home. time to ground yourself and look right and left,put on your heart and soul and just think can you really defeat india ?? stop fantasizing and come back to reality fans, i really find these comments hilarious ....

Posted by jb633 on (November 9, 2013, 13:47 GMT)

India were definitely deserved winners here and congrats to their side for the win. The WI side always starts series in this manner and they tend to get better as it progresses. As they tend to only play 2/3 match series they need to do something about how they start the series. I have not seen worse batting against reverse swing. I mean every batsmen bar Shiv was going for the booming off drive against the full in swinger. That really is brainless and it is one of the fundamentals of batting. Go with the swing not against it. The huge gap created was more than enough for Shami to exploit. Seriously WI wake up to your surroundings. It is a shame at the moment that so many international sides are at a low ebb in their cricketing history. Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Australia, WI and NZ are all really struggling and the global game is far worse off for it.

Posted by Cyril_Knight on (November 9, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

Blimey anyone would think India had just beaten England or South Africa. It's only the West Indies. Every First Division County Championship side would beat them comfortably in home conditions.

For those calling for Narine and other WI T20 specialists. Please look at their first-class records. They don't even play domestic four-day cricket, they have no pedigree. Narine has played just 12 first-class matches and average of 3 a year!

Playing in IPL is not enough evidence to suggest they could make any difference to the Test XI, it is not tough cricket.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 12:44 GMT)

if WI want to show better performance in nex test match,there team will be..1.chris gayle 2.kieran powell 3.kirk edwards 4.darren bravo 5.shivnarine chanderpaul 6.marlon samuels 7.charles/simmons(not ramdin) 8.deonarine/narine 9.shane shillingford 10.kemar roach 11.tino best/holder...there is no narine,charles or simmons in this test squad..edwards,doyane bravo n holder are also missing.thats ridiculous!n samuels ,gayle's bowling can be also effective.my personal opinion,if WI selection n team management can resuffle,they will be much more competitive.

Posted by cricketsubh on (November 9, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

i donot think this w.l team win a test aganist any top team like india australia england s.a .they only care t20 cricket and they should only focus t20 not odis and test

Posted by g.narsimha on (November 9, 2013, 11:46 GMT)

Lilian Thomson- Dont worry whether he is below GREIG OR TONY GREIG it doesnt metter for billion fans but pl tell us where u place u r ENZY & MIANDAD if we go on u r logic i fear they wont figure even in 500s list of great players , so keep it up we are enjoying it.

Posted by g.narsimha on (November 9, 2013, 11:38 GMT)

i found few few always claiming to be INDIANS are more venomous than our traditional IND bashers - it has become fashionable to with i am A IND fan & start making all sorts of demeaning/insulting coments TEAM INDIA & ITS PLAYERS particularly on SACHIN , but cares , we are more than enough - in this match we unearthed 2 match winners in ROHIT & SAMI.

Posted by BHAGWAN-XI on (November 9, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

In WI point of view that captain of WI team have no experience for decision . when they have took 85 for 5 of india and they have to need a good bowler why the captain not a given to samules any chance for a single over. And his most experience batsmen chandrapul who come at no. 6 and when in 1st inning it is need to stay with him and also in IInd inning, captain himself hit a very bad shot like this a one day match. So Captain should think what need to do.

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 9, 2013, 11:10 GMT)

@ sweetspot : Sir, take a bow but I'd rather advice not to pay much heed to such fellow readers. Let me put it this way, their state of mind is similar to that of a manager working in a bank in 2000 where a new computer has been installed and he is not willing to use it. Its hard to teach them that IPL is the need of the hour and thereby makes it a grand success.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Look where Misbah has brought the team as a leader. there is no planing at all when Pakistan is chasing. they decided to take on dale steyn and play other bowlers quietly. Any other team would hv won from the position Pak were in. I am afraid boys is Pak are gonna stop watching the team playing thus no more big hearted cricketers. at the moment there isnt any roll model in Pakistan team. Misbah is a good batsman but a horrible leader.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 9, 2013, 10:54 GMT)

@Shri Vathsan fair enough, but don't forget he looked good in the ODIs as well. Most countries over-hype youngsters (although Joe Root and Jonny Bairstow are't getting much love on these pages).

On those talking about CT13, India were the best team. By miles. Dhawan and Jadeja were fantastic. But don't forget all other countries except SriLanka underperformed. Also the matches were played at Edgabston, recently a seam bowlers' graveyard (makes Chris Woakes seem more remarkable England selectors), and Cardiff and the Oval which are known to turn. Also due to the dry summer (for all those questioning, even in amateur club cricket "English green-tops" disappeared) and new drainage systems, the pitches were extremely dry.

Posted by irishhawks on (November 9, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

Hang on Guys..after all what exactly are excited about? All credit to India..They won..Im happy..But Did Rohit and ashwin scored against walsh, ambrose or bishop? We all know how pathetic and toothless Windies Bowling was...And Shami ..how often can he repeat these performances to be hailed as FIND?? Watch out Next Month. May BE rohits and ashwins realixe that cicket is not as easy and every team is not westindies...South Africa are coming...

Posted by sweetspot on (November 9, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

@soumyas - Go check Vijay's test record in the last 10 tests India has played.

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 9, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

any Indian fan who wud read the comment here wud want India to loose a series now so that this jealousy bubble can burst in the hearts of india haters. It is hard to see that India doing well is causing so much pain to them..

Posted by sweetspot on (November 9, 2013, 10:38 GMT)

@hhillbumper - Who cares if our players don't do the "hard yards"? The "hard yards" of a 100 years have left cricketers as paupers all over the world, whereas 6 year old IPL is providing financial and material security to players from so many places, ensuring they can focus on the game and entertain us. At the beginning of the day and at the end of it, sport is for entertainment, and we don't always think of someone working hard as entertainment. Indians do that at our jobs all year long. IPL is fun, and it brings in plenty of money, so sell your hard yards the hard way somewhere else.

Posted by tendulkardhoni on (November 9, 2013, 10:10 GMT)

super bowling by shami and good batting by ash and sharma gave india an innings victory

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

Is it only me who think that inidan fans are carrying it too far?....Mohammed shami is yet to play in his second test but Indians already assigned him the status of Zakeer khan-2. Sorry to say but a lot of comments from indians here are "arrogant".

Posted by hhillbumper on (November 9, 2013, 9:48 GMT)

@devil in details. It will never happen.Your test team don't travel well. You don't have bowlers who can do damage outside of your conditions and the most obvious reason why this wont happen is because the arrogance and ego that is placed on the over feted players means they won't have any hunger to do the hard yards.Why bother when a couple of sixes in IPL makes you a national hero. The other point is there does not seem to be a strong sporting ethos. I mean what other sport can India play. There is no depth of sporting talent especially if you look at other world sports. India dwarves other cricket nations population and yet have never been a dominant team.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 9:32 GMT)

nice baller but now is child

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 9, 2013, 9:06 GMT)

@TylerLennox, so, at least, as per your analogy, India is the Usain Bolt of cricket. I take that as a compliment. Windies has a very strong top 5 batsmen and it is a very good REAL test team. India thrashed Australia 4-0 recently. Now don't say that Australia is not a REAL test team just because we caned them. Barring NZ, Bangladesh and to some extent SL, all the other teams are REAL test teams.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 8:48 GMT)

Indians thrashed Windies but the real test comes in South Africa against Steyn,Morkel and Philander....Shami Ahmed,Yadav and Bhuvneshwar Kumar can be potent against Kallis,Amla and De Villiers but can the young Indian batsman stand up against the best team in the world in their backyard..As an Indian fan really looking forward to it..

Posted by TexanBlue on (November 9, 2013, 8:46 GMT)

Congrats to team India for the thumping win and for discovering two new gems in Shami and Rohit. Rest assured India, after Tendulkar the flame will be carried by the likes of Kohli and Rohit. You may be bidding farewell to one cricketing god next week in Mumbai but two new cricketing gods have already shone on the horizon. IMO Shami should have gotten the Man of the Match award because it's common for a batsman to make a century on debut like Raina, Dhawan and now Rohit did but how often do you see an Indian pacer getting that many wickets on home soil on debut? I hope it doesn't have anything to do with religion but this surely smells fishy here. India looks like a very settled team now and after Tendulkar retires then Jadeja can slot back in at #7, Kohli at 4, Rohit at 5, and Dhoni moving down to 6. This is a very youthful team and can play together for many years to come under the able captaincy of Dhoni and when he goes, most likely because of his back problem then Kohli can stepin

Posted by TylerLennox on (November 9, 2013, 8:42 GMT)

Not sure I understand the happiness that this article is written with. India destroyed a HORRIBLE West Indies test squad. What's so spectacular about that? That would be like celebrating a victory of Usain Bolt in a 1-on-1 100 Metre race against Inzamam-ul-Haq. Seriously, call me when India plays a REAL test cricket team.

Posted by Biso on (November 9, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

@Kilkutt: You seem to forget that England uses the Dukes ball which swings more than the SG balls used in India. Kookabura doesn't swing as much but it is about playing and getting used to a particular kind of ball. I remember a series earlier( not the last one ) Zaheer and others could reverse swing the SG ball as early as in the twentieth over whereas the Aussies could hardly do that as late as in the fiftieth over. It is just about what a player is more used to or has developed his skills for. Nothing special about kookabura or conditions. Aussies have generally done below par in the sub continent. Ponting's batting stats in India is way below par. That does not make him a poor batsman overall. people like you have to appreciate that there are conditions and pitches beyond the so call fast bouncy wickets. Also, many of the Aussie batsmen are exposed on swinging wickets. Check your records for that.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 9, 2013, 8:23 GMT)

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 9, 2013, 3:15 GMT): " If you don't want people to compare people of different eras then don't say Sachin is the greatest batsman ever." ROFL. You're joking surely. If you are serious, please show me where I said Sachin is greatest batsman ever? He's the greatest batsman of this generation, according to me that is, for someone else it might be some other batsman. Indulging in the "Greatest of all times" is not my thing. That was my whole point, debating greatest of all eras is a rubbish concept and has no place in sensible debates.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 9, 2013, 8:03 GMT)

@DINESHCC, great point. Also, it is no longer good enough, or so it seems, if we win on any ground overseas. I think the following 'very reasonable' demand is par for the course in the near future, "Indian batsmen should bat on the grass in the out-field if they have to prove that they are world class batsmen." I 'support' the bashers' 'very reasonable' demand! After all, they know the definition of batsmanship better!

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 9, 2013, 7:54 GMT)

@ Dravid_Gravitas_Atheist : sometimes i thank god that bradman wasnt born in India otherwise even after so many years, the few respectable people here wudnt have thought for a second before labelling him as a SLOGGER. Such is the altitude of their cricket knowledge.

Anyway, see u at the series of two minnows i.e. SL vs NZ where NZ is missing their star players.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 9, 2013, 7:53 GMT)

@kilkutt, sorry but you can't be more 'wrongest'! Windies has Chanders at 5. You can't call Chanders, their best batsman, as Windies' tail. Can you? You say, "Windies batting is weak." Let's see - Gayle, Darren, Marlon, Chanders - if these 4 are weak batsmen, then I would like to know how to define strong batsmen! Add Powell (a very promising youngster) in the mix. That makes the Windies' top 5. No way you could call that a weak specialist batting line-up. There you go, somehow you have to degrade Shami's achievement. I just thought, the bashers are silent at our pacer's performance. There you go, you come up with a 'reason' for his success - 'weak' Windies batting!! Are you serious?

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 9, 2013, 7:48 GMT)

Posted by jb633 on (November 8, 2013, 20:41 GMT): " Let me tell you the whole world bar India is wanting a demolition. I simply can't wait to watch these seamers going the distance on green tops. Mark my words India will get an absolute pasting"

Generally I have followed your comments and more often than not, they're balanced. But here, sadly you missed the mark. What happens in SA tour, only time will tell. As for what the whole world wants, it's hardly a surprise and we don't care much for it.

Posted by DINESHCC on (November 9, 2013, 7:30 GMT)

Dravid_Gravitas_Atheis: Fantastic comments, Thank you mate. You add one more, If India win ODI series against a top ranked team, the other team sent only a second string team.

Posted by JustTalkCricket on (November 9, 2013, 7:26 GMT)

Nothing to take away of good performance from Shami but he was up against one of the worst possible selection of playing eleven for WI.

He was enjoying nice conditions for reverse swing- local made cricket ball fairly rough surface conducive for reverse swing and the quality of WI batting where tail starts at number five.

Let us see how he fares with Kookabura balls and against god batting lineups.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 9, 2013, 7:26 GMT)

@bladerunners_daddy, thanks bro. I completely agree with you too. Did bashers know that CT2013 tracks were flat before the tournament started or once India won it? If bashers indeed knew about the tracks before the tournament started, then they must be experts to be privy to such info!!! And the sad and heart breaking part is, our own Indians buying the bashers' arguments and start insulting us. Who needs enemies when you have your own to take you down? The forum is filled with haters and bashers spinning unapologetic excuses, myths and fairy tales with no regard for facts. Simple as that! Our Indians should try to think, "Who are these bashers to define that batsmanship is facing only pace on pace friendly tracks? Who are these bashers to declare that batsmanship doesn't constitute facing spinners on spin friendly tracks? Are we to conclude that, only facing pace requires special skills and that facing spin doesn't require any special skills and that facing spin is a child's play?

Posted by CricPissu on (November 9, 2013, 7:25 GMT)

Its strange that the article does not mention the heroics of Mohammed Sami...this was his debut test match and went away with 9 match scalps....Its a record from the India"s point of view....He has become the new Sultan of Swing....They are only praising the batting strength of India and not too much about this new sensation....

Posted by VKohlitheGreat on (November 9, 2013, 6:52 GMT)

@ Dravid_Gravitas_Atheist : Sir, Take a bow. U have expressed how exactly I have felt since the CT2013 has begun.

All i can say is it is the jealousy of so many people that makes Team India all the more glamourous and deserves more glorification.

Posted by Fan1969 on (November 9, 2013, 6:31 GMT)

I wanted to add another dimension to Shami's achievement.

Bhuvi is a good find. He has 8 wickets in 5 Home Tests and almost all fans think he should go to SA and will be successful.

Shami has got 9 in ONE TEST at home and does not get MoM.

How many centuries do we want to see and applaud? I have nothing against Rohit but he just won 2 MoM and Man of Series against Aus on batting friendly pitches.

He played well, but centuries happen often - if not Rohit/Ashwin then someone else. 9 wickets by a pacer in India by actually beating good batsman like Samuels in both innings is VERY RARE. Reminds me of Marshall/Imran/Pollock/Kapil etc.

If I had my way, I would ban Shami from playing ODIs, T20, IPL in India and give him a $2m contract per annum in 2014. Can you imagine if he can get 3-4 victories in SA, NZ, Eng and Aus in AWAY TESTS then Indian Test team will be an all time great like Wi in 1980s and Aus in 90s and 2000s.

India needs to respect pace bowlers.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 9, 2013, 5:59 GMT)

Some hilarious excuses from bashers of Indian Cricketers: 1. Indian scores a century in India, no he has to score overseas. 2. Indian scores a century in Australia, no he has to score in a particular ground. 3. Indian scores a century in that particular ground, no it is not fast anymore. 4. India scores runs on a particular track in India, no it is a flat track. 5. On the same track, the opposition crumbles to spinners, no it is a disgraceful turning track when the opposition batted between so and so hours during that test match on so and so days. 6. India scores runs on a particular track in India, no it is a flat track. On the same track, the opposition crumbles to a pacer, bashers display deafening silence.

Bashers, guess what, from now on, it is not enough if non-subcontinent batsmen score centuries in India. They have to score only on rank-turners to be called proper international class batsmen. OK?

Posted by CricketFanIndUS on (November 9, 2013, 4:16 GMT)

India so desperately needed a new pace bowler that it is not an exaggeration if one says the debut of Shami is more important than this test win itself. I know it is only one match so far for him, but look at that performance and skill. . . . this is the second best debut performance by an India bowler looking at the stats. I know batsmen will in time figure out how to handle better a new bowler that breaks in like this and it is too early to get excited about, but the ability to reverse consistently and both ways at good pace is always going to be potent. This has been missing for a while in the team when it is so essential for wins on our wickets. Bhuvi has been great with the new ball since his debut late last year . . . but with Zaheer out of the team we still depended on Ishant with the old ball and he has not been potent in his wicket taking. Shami has been relatively new in domestic circuit as well (debuted in 2010) and well, who knew? Well, thank you selectors!

Posted by benjaminsekar on (November 9, 2013, 3:22 GMT)

My choice for Man of the Match is Ashwin. Because he got 124 Runs & 5 Wickets.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 9, 2013, 3:15 GMT)

@IndianSRTfan If you don't want people to compare people of different eras then don't say Sachin is the greatest batsman ever.

Posted by Cricdew on (November 9, 2013, 2:38 GMT)

@IndianSRT..........Man its all about jealousy......No need to explain it to the people like Barry......because deep down they know it completely...but because of insecurity they keep denying the facts

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 2:36 GMT)

Indian both 2 new caps shine.

Posted by ChrisMartin on (November 9, 2013, 2:24 GMT)

@HemnathT20 : Cricket is not played by mouth! You have used your imagination to pen a story. That's about it. This reminds me of Ifthiqar, Pakistani commentator who, while the opponent team would be 250 for 1 or so would say that Pakistan should take 4 or 5 quick wickets and get the team all out for under 300 and score 550 and declare and make the opponents all out for 200. Well if Cricket is played with mouth this is all possible. So your imagination of getting India all out within 200 and WI scoring 300+ in the 2nd innings and troubling India in the 2nd innings..... well you get my point.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 2:01 GMT)

It was a sterling performance by the "young turks" of India especially that 280 run partnership methodically orchestrated by Ashwin and Rohit Sharma.But I feel that Man of the match award Sharma debuted in this test, but it was Shami's 5for in the WI second innings that paved the way for innings victory!

Posted by KFRITZ on (November 9, 2013, 1:52 GMT)

the gap between the top 4(sa,india,eng,aus) and last 4(pak,sl,wi and nz) in world cricket is widening..the bottom 4 should pickup.otherwise expect more one sided contests when a team in top 4 competes against bottom 4..

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 1:51 GMT)

India haven't been able to produce a quality pacer after a long time .but yesterday what I had observed was India finally seemed to have got a young talented pacer shami .more importantly ,his reverse swing ability to trouble batsmen , good line and length are among those I like most .at the moment at seems it would be far better to tour upcoming test against South Africa including talented paces shami Mohammad .from his pace someone like bravo got troubled twice .He has good temperament ,swing . Few days back ,series against Australia ,we saw lack of good balling attack specially from India but for forthcoming days shami will produce quality pace makes great record over record.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 1:18 GMT)

As a proud West Indian, it hurts to see a WI Cricket team loosing inside three days. The team selected to tour India was certainly poor one and in my humble opinion the selectors should step aside. The West Indies cricket selectors did cricket a grave injustice for a series in which one of the cricketing greats will be leaving, the selectors disrespected that great individual contribution to the game of cricket. The WImselectors by extension insulted WI cricket where from 1928 when we came on the cricketing world have always shown the cricketing world what great ambassadors of they game we are. The current selectors one wonders what have been their success rate,, one can only wonder

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 1:13 GMT)

What a lousy match in terms of umpiring. About 50% of the decisions were incorrect. We have a system - DRS to prevent such howlers. It's not perfect but then what is - traffic in Indian streets? squeaky clean image of cricket administrators? It's "chalega" with everything else, but no please we are indians - we need "perfection" with DRS. Hard to understand !

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 0:52 GMT)

what im concluding is that if west indies picked permaul because he creates a variation by bowling left arm and shillingford is right arm. thats just a stupid idea. because u need attacking spinners to bowl out indian batsmen. narine is very attacking. he would have made the indians feel more uncomfortable bowling in tandem with shillingford because they have varied flights to beat batsmen. shane warne always say u beat great players of spin through flight more than turn. narine's stock ball turns viciously and sharp in indian conditions. that is why he is going to always be harder to play more than mendis. mendis only beats batsmen through mystery. apart from narine's mystery, his stock ball turns and bounces sharply like graeme swann. thats why i see narine as an attacking test bowler

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 0:48 GMT)

Common guys, Do you remember when West Indies bowled out India for less than 100 or something like that?

It is just a game, and West Indies are still tying to rebuild hopefully they will get it right by 2050?

Posted by aclarity on (November 8, 2013, 23:58 GMT)

This humiliating defeat falls fully at the feet of President Dave. He failed to show leadership and is one of the boyz. He is as decisive as spaghetti in hot water. The team should have spent an extra week in India rather than watching the Miami Heat. Is Sammy a test cricketer? You pick 5 batsmen because of Sammy but Ramdhin is preferred to Walton. These selectors pick on name and experience rather than performance. Brathwaite and Edwards did better than Powell recently but Powell is preferred. We will continue to fail while indecisive Dave listens to the boyz.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 8, 2013, 23:58 GMT)

@Sandip Manjrekar: They keep doing that because it is always difficult to accept the reality. Also the famed green eyed monster prevents them from appreciating a true Genius because their own countries have never produced such a prodigious talent.

@ heathrf1974: "You can extrapolate as you can compare to other players during his era." By all means do it then but don't think Sachin played in Bradman's era so you can't compare them, period.

@IPSY: First of all, "Lawrence "Yaga" Rowe" who? Players who played 30 test matches aren't great. "51 centuries is achievable by any good player" Name one other player who has done it then.

@Barry Glynn: "Great player Sachin but scored majority of his runs on the disgraceful low rubbish Indian pitches.." Lol. More than 50% of Sachin's runs and centuries have come overseas. #Getyourfactsright. By the by, we can say the same about many of your "great yorkshire bowlers" who needed "disgraceful green rubbish" tracks to take 1-2 wkts in an innings.

Posted by fast_gun on (November 8, 2013, 23:35 GMT)

@ hurting_westindian I think the world needs a strong WI team. I can only pray for that day, The talent is there though! All these people comparing apples to oranges, Cricket is a team sport. SRT is without a doubt ONE of the greatest batsmen to have ever played the game! But please do not compare!

Posted by pradeepsays on (November 8, 2013, 23:15 GMT)

"Shami Kebab" will be the most ordered dish in India. Kudos to Ishant Baba for giving Shami his cap. So MOM should go to Ishant! Hope he hands over another cap in Mumbai. Who knows we might find another hero!! Jokes apart, a fantabulous performance by Shami. Hope he can continue this form into the next match!

Posted by Balb on (November 8, 2013, 22:27 GMT)

To all the cricket fans and to those who suggests that Chanderpaul did not do enough, let me share my comments on this massive defeat: 1. The West Indies team was surprised by Shami's speed and accuracy. 2. West Indies did not hold to their end of the game. They lose focus. 3. Darren Sammy was not effective as a third speedster. 4. Permaul was not utilized effectively or came on earlier. 5. Why Samuels or Gayle did not bowl in this match? 6. Who else could Chanderpaul see coming to stay with him after Sammy and Ramdin was out. 7. Really, is Chanderpaul's fault that Shami bowled Shillingford second ball he faced? How much ball he faced in the first innings and in previous matches? 8. Powel batted for how long before scoring and how long did he stayed. 9. Yes Chanderpaul is a senior player so place him at number three or four and drop Bravo and/or Powel down the order, then you can determine if he is of any value of the team.

Admit it fans, West Indies were totally out played

Posted by yuvi_gladiator on (November 8, 2013, 22:16 GMT)

@ sumonpantha bangladesh can beat any team on any wicket on any day. bangladesh just dont want to show off thats why they are ranked number 10 otherwise other teams won't play bangla because of the fear :)

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 8, 2013, 22:04 GMT)

All indian fans shd reserve accolades to our young batsmen(kohli, dhawan, rohit and pujara) till they pass the overseas test in the nxt 14 mnths. They have done reasonably well in india for the last 2 years in Tests. Wait till they succeed overseas, then we can call them the new SRT, The Wall, VVS etc. Also, seamers and spinners need to perform overseas before we pass any judgement. Must admit Pujara struggled vs Steyn & Co. on last tour. Kohli's 100's in eng and aus were on the flattest of tracks on those tours and were valiant efforts as nothing were to lose. MSD's keeping and captaincy will again be under scanner, it was as bad as our team's performance in eng & aus. His field positioning was questionable to be modest as was the team selection throughout those tours. Infact, he is still very stubborn about his playing 11. Thanks to Faulkner, we got rid of 1 journeyman. India seriously should look beyond IS and VK. We definitely have better bowlers than them.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 8, 2013, 21:55 GMT)

Narine needs to play the last game no excuses there's no reason for Permaul to be playing ahead of him and it will shut everyone up whether he come soff or not. Otis Gibson introducing him in an early season England when Swann wasn't even getting anything out the pitch crushed his confidence and made everyone right him off as a T20 player, India is best place to give him another shot and if he looks good he can be taken to New Zealand for what will be a much more competitive tour.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 8, 2013, 21:52 GMT)

@sachin_vvsfan Apologies. With regards to this test it seems like India may have found a quality pace attack. This could go far to them reaching the number one ranking in tests.

Posted by pitch_it_up on (November 8, 2013, 21:52 GMT)

I don't understand why a player who takes 5 wickets to nothing and scores a century and still does not deserve MoM award!!?? It just baffles me!! Can we ever get over the mentality of being partial towards batting/batsmen?? This is the reason why we do not win enough Test matches! My toss up would have been b/w Ashwin and Shami.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 21:40 GMT)

WI would struggle against Bangladesh at the moment. The Indians shouldn't get too carried away and good riddance that Sachin is finally retiring. He should have retired 3 or 4 years ago to give the youngsters a chance. He has averaged slightly above 30 runs in the past 3 years. Thanks for the memories Sachin but happy for the Indian cause that you are finally retiring. India needs more bowlers like Shami who bowl good lines and length and exploit the conditions. We don't need Jadeja in a Test side - he is a good ODI/T20 player but not a Test match player surely. Does India have any other good spinner anymore? Ashwin will stay in the side simply because of his batting ability but Ohja and others can't bat if their life depended on it. Where are the other good spinners? Give the youngsters a chance. Look what Rohit and Shami did in this match. Youth and desire wins matches, not Sachin or I. Sharma.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 21:33 GMT)

@TRAM: Very well said mate. Your assessment pretty much sums up everything about Sachin & Bradman. @Englishfan: See we have nothing to do with England, and i do concede that England came to India, played better cricket and deserved to be winner. The problem we had is with your assessment about Indian batting being second best to SA and branding Indian pitches flat. SA are a better batting side agreed, but not the best in any format.They are winning matches because they had an excellent bowling attack to cover up their batting failures. Recent example being Abu Dhabi test where they danced to the tunes of Saeed Ajmal & Co. and mind you their was no considerable support for the spinners and the pitch was a batting beauty.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 21:30 GMT)

So very surprised and disappointed that R. Vinay Kumar and I. Sharma didn't open the bowling in the first Test match. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 21:22 GMT)

Why some of Sachin fans are highly emotional and get carried away by Sachin's record in the 1990's and in the first decade of 21st Century. Why some of them are highly biased against Don Bradman. There is no comparison between the Don and Sachin. Bradman played only 52 tests and in his 51st test played one of the greatest innings i.e. 173 not out to win a test match at Leeds when set a target of 404 on the last innings, in about 6 hours of play. Bradman;s innings was not to enhance personal records but to win a team game. Whereas Sachin has never played a dominating innings single handedly to win for India, repeat WIN for India Some of his failings in his long career is that none of his centuries could ever compare with VVS 281, or Sunil Gavaskar's 221 at the oval or Rahul Dravid's 231 at Adelaide or Sehwag;s destructive 309 at Multan. These are high quality innings and I do not place any of Sachin's 51 test hundreds could equal when India desperately needed some special innings.

Posted by ibbi.kb on (November 8, 2013, 21:20 GMT)

Sachin is the best batsman of all time..I dont think there should be any doubt about that anymore. He has faced the best bowlers, from Marshall to Steyn, and has prevailed for 24 years. Hopefully he will cross the 16,000 mark and retire on a high! It has been a privilege to witness the Little Master raising his bat and helmet 100 times! Best of luck, from Pakistan!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 21:01 GMT)

If Zaheer Khan is picked up for the South Africa tour later this year, it will definitely be a boost to India's lacklustre bowling unit (excluding the last test at the Eden Gardens). However I would never make a mistake of underating them. If Mohammes Shami continues his sizzling form in South Africa, he along with the greatest reverse swing bowler of the current age (I say greatest because, without any doubt, Zaheer has the most lethal reverse swing when compared with Steyn, Morkel, etc.) are going to tango on those conditions. If you have any doubt about Shami's ability, let me remind you he was getting 90 mph and some serious reverse swing on a flat and spin friendly Eden wicket.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 20:53 GMT)

it was such an disappointment ..went on 2nd day nigel llong gave sachin out .. then had the 4th day ticket ..llong again gave samuels out wrongly thus ending any chance of sachin coming to bat in the 2nd inings as well as any chance of the match going to 4th day .. ruined many people's dream of watching sachin bat again on 4th day .. with samuels still there atleast the match would have gone too4th day .. feeling so disappointed

Posted by Vilander on (November 8, 2013, 20:50 GMT)

Though Rohit sharma showed lots of class in his batting, for me the standout performers were Shami and Ashwin, if Shami had not took those quick wickets WI batsmen would have scored well and took the match to day 5 with India having to score 150 odd in 2 sessions which would have ended in a draw. besides Ashwin batted equally well along side rohit and also took those 5 wickets. Clearly the Mom should have been between Ashwin and Shami.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 8, 2013, 20:47 GMT)

@ hurting_westindian If anything I would put this down to poor team selection by WICB. Where is Narine? He is miles ahead of Permaul on any given day. Where is Roach, Edwards, Rampaul and other fast bowlers? Rampaul and Roach are IMHO the best fast bowlers in WI, and expecting to win without them is folly. With these 3 in the team, I would think that the contest would have been a lot tighter than it has been.

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 8, 2013, 20:41 GMT)

We do have stump mics to refer to and synchronise with snicko. Batsmen to be given out only when a sound and a snicko wave comes out positive. I think we need to rule out howlers in cricket at the moment. 50-50 decisions can wait till hawkeye and hotspot improve and all umpires get used to used the full DRS. Also time being a factor, DRS-lite will give quick results and should be completely under umpires control. Thus, can be used any number of times

Posted by jb633 on (November 8, 2013, 20:41 GMT)

@gsingh7, please hold your tongue till your side plays against SA. Let me tell you the whole world bar India is wanting a demolition. I simply can't wait to watch these seamers going the distance on green tops. Mark my words India will get an absolute pasting.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 20:35 GMT)

Australian statistics oriented fans should remember that the greatest pre-Tendulkar player was Gavaskar simply because he was most successful against the best ever bowling attack in cricket...many other players were great but first compare their records to Gavaskar and then think of comparing to Tendulkar...mind you Australia till the beginning of the Border era was considered an under performing team and only under the Simpson Border reign did it start the great dynastic rule of Australia... Border - Taylor - Waugh - Ponting. Greg Chappell etc were very good but even with great bowlers like Lillie, Pascoe, Alderman and a great keeper like Marsh were not world beaters by a mile....only the discipline and ruthlessness of Border created and remains a textbook case study of how you can dominate a sport over a decade and a half or so...

Posted by Zsam on (November 8, 2013, 20:31 GMT)

@bigdhonifan, These bowlers I mentioned really softened these batsmen up and that is reflective in the avg. Even Lara does not rate up high wrt to these bowlers either. Both Lara and Sachin's figures indicate that. This is what fast bolwing is supposed to do. Only McGrath seems to have been tamed by Lara and that is reflective in the avg of 47 in 44 inngs as compared to Sachin who has 36,in 18inngs.You cannot forget that even Sachin never got hold of McGrath.For Pakistan with 2 Ws and Imran, again both avg. in early 30s,Sachin 32 in 11 inngs, he batted, and Lara avg 30 in 13 inngs. .Again with Donald Sachin avg. 32 in 20 inngs and Lara 34 in 20 inngs.Not exactly all time stuff.I wonder how these two would have fared during the 70s and 80s era.Let me tell you, I am a big fan of Lara's artistry, and even like Sachin, but can't stand the hyping up!Lara was good against the Aussies back in the 90s.

Posted by Zsam on (November 8, 2013, 20:26 GMT)

@bigdhonifan, Sachin's figures against the top bowlers of 90s when they were in their teams isn't all time stuff.His averages with the creme de la creme of pacers are quite revelatory: With McGrath in Aussie team, he averages: 36.77. Without McGrath it goes up - 61.83! With Allan Donald in SA, its 32.9. Without Allan Donald, its 51.89! With Imran, Wasim & Waqar, its 32.9. Without them it goes to 50.92! Most of his beefing has come up in the 2000s, post the retirement of these players. But he does well against Walsh and Ambrose with avg of 62. got to give him, though they were old horses by then. Nevertheless there's more mythbuilding than all time display here. Please check stats guru.Your point about Sachin being the best bat in '98 is valid just as Lara was the best in '94. But there's more to all time stuff than just this.Tall scores:triple ton?,all time rated best innings?

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (November 8, 2013, 20:26 GMT)

Posted by Englishfan on (November 8, 2013, 20:09 GMT)

you seem to be unbiased & seem to accept where its due so kudos to you , unlike some other ppl like LT & IPSY.

to continue on argument who is best - clearly no team is best , Eng SA is better in Test , while IND is def cut above the rest in ODIs. no team in world cricket is Australia of late 90's & early 2000.

All the Four teams need to improve on some aspect of the games to be truely called world champions, sad part is the other four teams are not putting enough fight to the top four teams.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 20:20 GMT)

All I did was post my honest opinion and now everybody is using it to criticise England. When did I say that England are better, or even anywhere near as good as India. I admit English cricket is declining and after the ashes we need a big change. Too many players are picked on name alone. I actually reckon with bowlers such as Bhuvi Kumar, Yadav and Shami, India will cause us problems. And if Dhawan and Pujara continue their excellent starts to their international careers, and Kohli and Rohit Sharma start scoring a lot of test runs before this summer, it will be a long series.

Posted by TRAM on (November 8, 2013, 20:20 GMT)

It is easy to not get involved in any accident if we drive just 100 miles that too only in highways and with lot of rest every 10 miles. But if we drive 50,000 miles in varying roads and traffics in cities and rural areas, with little rest, then we are bound to face some little scratch on the vehicle. Bradman who played only test matches with long gaps and only in *Aus/Eng grounds* belongs to the first category. Sachin to the later. Those who want to cross 100 miles in highway taking lllooottt of time, let them keep Bradman. We will keep Sachin who has taken us 50,000 miles tirelessly in varying tough conditions with little rest for most part.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 20:09 GMT)

@Mohinsin9975 The problem with snicko is that I believe it picks up "ghost edges". That's why I think it should be used with hotspot and hawkeye (to measure deviation when passing the edge).

@hurting westindian, don't be too harsh. The young talent is there with Darren Bravo, Jason Holder, Kemar Roach and Sunil Narine. The problem is that in ODIS too many overated mercenaries such as Dwayne Bravo get picked.

@gsingh7 and @Sachin thegreatest- I agree. I admit I ignored T20Is and for that I apologise. However I also said that India are the only team that can play all 3 formats, which implies they are the best.

On ECB and ODIS I agree. We don't take them seriously, and use them as a test training ground. Our ODI record is apalling but the recent test series shows we are improving in playing spin. I also agree that we won't win a world cup, but that is more down to faulty tactics.

Posted by bigdhonifan on (November 8, 2013, 20:08 GMT)

Sachin scored 1894 runs ODI's in 1998, the record ODI total by a batsman in a year. In his 33 ODI innings, he scored nine centuries (also a record), averaged 65.3, and had a strike rate of 102. The rest of the Indian top four in 1998 ODIs averaged 37.8, with a strike rate of 70. Now you must understand why he is the best Batsman ever.

Posted by bigdhonifan on (November 8, 2013, 20:03 GMT)

@Englishfan Only you can tell Amla is good enough for all knid of pitches. ABD, Smith and Kallis are just fast track bullies. I rate Sharma, Kohli, Pujara, Dhavan and even Ashwin the top ranked allrounder have more chances in green tops that ABD, Smith or Kallis have in Turning pitches. South Africa just have an advantage over india in terms of fast bowling. If India fills that spot... they will be back to #1 ranking and will be there for some time. And as for England, may be in 2 years they will be ranked similar to where they were in early 2000.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 19:56 GMT)

Comical to see Kallis compared to SRT, people forget that in the 90s when the great bowlers were in operation SRT was their master from 2006-7 on instead of dominating through stroker he played through out thinking bowlers, Kallis has been consistent sedate and and a part of the team, nver a match winner just an above average performer, can we name 5 match winning spell bing Kallis innings across ODI and test, if yes i'll give three from SRT in return for each Kallis knock, open challenge to SA fans bring it on...or hold your horses....Kallis for sometime stopped bowling !! and became a batsmen then came back... the great foursome Imran, Botham, Kapil and Hadlee were matchwinners on both fronts throughout.... Imran and Kapil skippered and won WCs, Botham on his own won an Ashes ... whilst Kallis carefully remained consistent....Kallis is the stat man....SRT carried India, outstroked bowlers..dominated the stage....my three to one SRT to Kallis challenge is open to SA fans....

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 8, 2013, 19:51 GMT)

Umpires are trained to take split second decisions. But they are humans afterall. Stop harping them. Give them a poor man's DRS(i call it DRS-lite) i.e a simple replay that we see on TV without the controversial hotspot or hawkeye. 3rd umpires decides if the ball pitches in line and then going on to hit the stumps using pitch-mat for LBWs and fine edges can be ruled out using Real-time snicko. That's it. Saves time and money. I bet considerable number of howlers will be eliminated. Donno why icc and bcci are hell bent at imposing/opposing a full-fledged DRS. If howlers are to be eliminated use DRS-lite. Everyone are aware why BCCI opposes the Full-DRS - Money(ironical as they richest board, but true) and Ego. Dont see that being imposed with BCCI being the financial head of world cricket and arm-twisting every other board, even their age-old friends Southafrica

Posted by hurting_westindian on (November 8, 2013, 19:49 GMT)

what an absolutely disgusting performance by WI. They are an embarassment to we the ppl on the west indies. we do not deserve the legacy we have.. I can only hope to god that the ICC finally realise that WI cricket should be banned from international level so as to spear the fans these disgracefull performances.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (November 8, 2013, 19:48 GMT)

@IPSY & other who all are so keen on giving stats. i'll give you one stat

From 1996 to 2002(before he sustained Tennis elbow) had scored 52 international Hundred.

Now can you give me any single player who has scored 52 international Hundred in 6 six years, other players like your favt. carl hooper has not even scored in his entire career.

@ Englishfan - wrt to your views on best batting lineups, you are only considering the Test batting lineup of SA, where as i would consider a batting lineup as a good if they perform in all the three formats.

SA is def. a better TEST batting line up, while IND def. has better one day batting lineup give them some time in Overseas test & then we can judge how good are they in seeming conditions

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 19:43 GMT)

SA fans should remember that the last two Ind - SA series are 1-1 home and away, the India one, Indoa lost a test due to having no batsmen due to injury and in SA there was one session in which we lost 6 wickets batting first in overcast conditions, else it was dead even or actually a little bit on India's side. As far as SA pitches are concerned they are flat and doctored when India SL Pak tour to perpetuate pet myths but dutifully watered down when facing Aus or Eng threats, also during ODIs these pitches are flat......When India go to SA now its gonna be fire against fire and dont forget Duminy, AB, Smith dont play spin well....as far as hooking is concerned remember how Kallis got out in the third test...Sreesanth's bouncer....so SA fans watch out....

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 19:41 GMT)

@samincolumbia- simple. South Africa batting masterclass and abysmal English bowling and fielding (eg Amla dropped on 30odd- went on to score 300).

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 19:37 GMT)

Many of England's evangelists should remember that through the 90s and mid to late 2000s engalnd was a team going nowhere in tests, in one days it is still going nowhere because the english board thinks ODIs are not cricket, in T20s they dont pay attention because they think it isnt cricket, they are only fixated on tests and only since 2011 have they become a top 1 or 2 team...that too beating India on doctored pitches...which they didnt have the guts to do against Australia..where they dutifully kept the pitches even...English fans should remember the fifteen years of hammering against AUs, India and SA from 91-92 to 2005 - 2007 odd, so Pietersen, Bell, Cook have only come up now, lets see where they go afyer 8 - 10 years....lets see England win a ODI world cup and remain on the top for 5 years more and then see...

Posted by gsingh7 on (November 8, 2013, 19:33 GMT)

@ english fan-- last i remember england are on 4 wins and 18 losses run in last 22 games in india in odis. so to say indian spinners have found english batsmen is not exaggeration. icc official tables show india is above sa in both t20 and odis. and joint second in tests behind sa. after wi tour, india will be clear second with few rating points. so tell me again how sa are best batting side in world in all formats. where were sa batsmen when india won ct2013 undefeated and mainly due to superior batting lineup than anyone else? facts dont lie.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 19:30 GMT)

@GRVJPR I never criticised Sachin. In fact I called him "Great". Alistair Cook averages over 60 in India, but that was a good as I could think (and I checked this on Statsguru). Cook will be a great player in his own right, but isn't worthy of Sachin.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 8, 2013, 19:26 GMT)

Narine Edwards Deonarine all deserve and must play the next game W.I cannot have a repeat performance of this humiliation.

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 8, 2013, 19:24 GMT)

@Englishfan - English pitches are FLATTER than Indian pitches. Otherwise how can one explain SA scoring 637 runs for 2 wickets and then declare against the 'mighty' english bowling attack at the Oval?

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 19:19 GMT)

@Sherjil Islam - " Indian batting lineup is miles better than SA" - Yeah, because who are Hashim Amla, AB de Villiers and Graham Smith anyway- Kohli and Dhawan and Sharma are obviously better. I admit Kallis has had a poor year, but South Africa are the best at batting.

Posted by bigdhonifan on (November 8, 2013, 19:08 GMT)

@IPSY On a period from 1990 to 2002 Sachin averaged almost 63 around the world facing the likes Merv Hughes, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Shane Warne, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Akhthar, Brett Lee, Gillespee, Shane Bond Murali... The next two batsman who have more than 50 were Steve Waugh and Lara with just abou 50. Sachin Was and always the greatest Batsman played the Game. Even after 2002 with the Career threatening Tennis Elbow, he scored centuries around the world.

Posted by rdr_1019 on (November 8, 2013, 19:04 GMT)

Really good bowling effort by Shami! Great to see an Indian fast bowler getting some much deserved applause and encouragement for his efforts. Shami along with Bhuvi can form a lethal attack with their consistent line and length. To go along with them, we have Ojha and Ashwin in the spin department supported very well by Jadeja. The only thing India needs now is a fast bowling all-rounder to accomodate this team in overseas conditions. At the moment, only Irfan looks capable of fitting in that role. The batting line-up looks settled with Rohit all set to move up to No. 5 and Kohli to No. 4. The team for the sub-continent tracks looks all set with the following line-up. 1. Dhawan 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rohit 6. Dhoni 7. Jadeja 8. Ashwin 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami and 11. Ojha. For overseas conditions, we just need a fast-bowling all-rounder to replace Jadeja or Ojha. Things are looking good for future of Indian Cricket Team...All The Best !!!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 18:43 GMT)

@Englishfan: "Indian pitches are flat, but they are still the 2nd best batting line up after South Africa" r u for sure???? care to check SA's performance in recent series against SL and PAK, Indian batting lineup is miles better than SA or any other teams for that matter. and more thing, Indian pitches are of all nature like Mohali has always some grass, Chennai and Mumbai, spin assisting and Kolkata offers assistance to both spinners and fast bowlers, if they are so 'flat in nature' then we would be reading the series results as 1-0, or 0-0 not 4-0 or 2-1 in a four match series.

Posted by Harmony111 on (November 8, 2013, 18:41 GMT)

@Sandip Manjrekar:

They can't accept the truth as they are jealous of it. After India won WC2011, the comment section in that match's report had few SL fans congratulating India. Almost all of them were saying India were lucky due to the dew or that it was a flat track. After India won that Hobart match we heard the same flat track excuse again. After India won the CT13 we heard the same excuse in a diff wrapping. When India lost to Aus 0-4 we were told this was our true level yet when India paid Aus back equally we were told the wickets were doctored or the umpiring was poor etc. What did we hear when won at Perth? That it was not fast anymore.

Point is, a few of us Ind fans are a bit too moral and worry about ethics a bit too much. Others say our wickets are bad for cricket & we believe them and want to get wickets that they want. It is like being asked to give up the gun before a war and then fight, only a fool would do that. They are thick skinned but we are too soft.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 8, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

@Englishfan No way Indian pitches are flat. You are mixing ODI wickets with test wickets. Tell me any other place where ball turn square and then reverse swing from day one. We saw this Ashes, nothing happened for bowlers. They were flat. Current aussie team can make any wicket look like a juicy wicket. English wickets are far from it.

Posted by hhillbumper on (November 8, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

It was a good win against a weak team.Still don't think Ashwin can bowl outside helpful conditions but lets see how he travels.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 8, 2013, 18:33 GMT)

@Englishfan So your cricketers score 50's in India that is something great and our sachin is hammering 100 centuries everywhere and that is nothing. He averaged 80 in england before last tour and despite one bad tour very late in his career he still manages 65 odd average in India. Tell me one english player close to that avg in India. Don't bother going through tests, since there isn't any!

Posted by warneneverchuck on (November 8, 2013, 18:25 GMT)

Sachin has scored against mcgrath warne in aus donald and co in SA wich todays batsman cant even dream of doing

Posted by warneneverchuck on (November 8, 2013, 18:16 GMT)

If a pitch turns its flat and if it has grass it is sporting wicket even though it doesnt turn really dont understand this logic. By the way this pitch had everything for even fast bowlers which shami proved

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (November 8, 2013, 18:12 GMT)

@LT, even a person like me, who finds Statchin's penchant for personal milestones repulsive, is finding you very repulsive. Looks like it is about time I start supporting Statchin again.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 8, 2013, 18:05 GMT)

It's a good thing that the rookies - Shami and Rohit - stole the show from Tendulkar. Tendulkar has been batting like a tailender for last 2 years. Ashwin is a better batsman than Tendulkar. He just proved it in this match. By overstaying beyond his use by date, Tendulkar destroyed the careers of so many promising batsmen like Badrinath, Manoj Tiwary, Rahane, etc.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

Congrats team India . The bowling looks good if zaheer bowls well in ranji games we can have good variety in SA .Hoping for good test match in Mumbai too.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 17:59 GMT)

u bring wi all the way around the world 4 this but wont invite bd 4 1 home series,like 2 know why? i respect indian cricket,so please no disrespect 4 bd.like 2 no da real reason.

Posted by bluethroat on (November 8, 2013, 17:58 GMT)

The MoM match should have been shared between Rohit and Shami. I would personally put Shami ahead of Rohit simply because the game is favoring batsman at all formats. Way to go Shami

Posted by spiritwithin on (November 8, 2013, 17:55 GMT)

@Barry Glynn,dude atleast have the courtesy to acknowledge a great player like sachin and dont just trash him,he averages 53 in Aus and Eng,his away average is same as his home average,he's more century away from home,he scored more runs away from home,yet u are saying majority of his runs were on indian pitches,well most players has majority of their runs at home since 50% of their career are spent at home,add to that the indian pitches are never easy for visiting team,there is a reason why most of the time visiting team struggled in indian pitches,and its no secret that all players are comfortable in their home ground yet sachin was found to have similar records at home and away...try to be sporting

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 17:53 GMT)

Indian pitches are flat, but they are still the 2nd best batting line up after South Africa, and are the only country that can play all 3 forms of the game.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 17:51 GMT)

@GRVJPR- "your third world english club players dance on tunes of spinners and cry seeing them"- did you watch India vs England. I agree that historically your comment might make sense, but with the recent series, Cook scored 3 hundreds, Pietersen, Trott and Bell scored 1 each, Prior scored 2 50s and Joe Root scored a 50. Also the English spinners Monty and Swanny outbowled the Indian spinners.

But I agree Sachin was a great player, and his records will be extremely hard to beat (but I do prefer Ponting).

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 17:44 GMT)

so mr. social monster, let me apply reverse logic. Why have your so called champion teams failed to win so much in India? If they are champion teams, they should have won here more often. No? Are they poor travelers too? If indians have trouble handling pace, they have trouble handling crumbling pitches. Not every event on an india cricket page is a reason for you to criticize without logic!

Posted by CodandChips on (November 8, 2013, 17:39 GMT)

Genuine all rounders are so important for teams. Look at what Jacques Kallis does for South Africa. Look at what Mohammed Haffeez adds to Pakistan. It's also why England are trying so hard to turn young Ben Stokes into an international cricketer. If Ashwin can keep his batting up and bowl well, he will become a very important player for India. I am not a massive fan of his bowling but he does have pretty decent statistics. He was one of India's best batsmen vs England. He hasn't played much cricket outside of India, so it will be interesting to see if he can keep it up. or whether his bowling is less effective outside of India. Also be interesting if he can keep up his batting, or if it will tail off like Stuart Broad.

Posted by cric_roch on (November 8, 2013, 17:34 GMT)

I can only laugh at people who changed there word 'flat track bully' to 'home track bully'. The moment india starts winning abroad they will some other name..they simply cant accept world champion india doing well..

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 17:26 GMT)

You cannot beat a dead horse!! Meaning the selectors. WI is the laughing stock of world cricket.No imagination expecting the same result next match with the same team. This is Gayle last test tour, Sammy was never a test player ODI & T20 ok. You have to make drastic decision starting next match: Gayle, Powell, Edwards,Chanderpaul, Samuels, Deonarine, Ramdin cpt, Shillingford, Permaul, Best or Roach if fit and Cottrell. Chanderpaul should bat at #4 it's a waste of time batting with the tail! Bravo lacks confidence, a drop may do him some good. If fit there no reason why Rampaul is not on tour our best seem bowler. It's time to balance the team and enough of the mediocrity....

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 17:24 GMT)

so we could have a team for the SA series..... dhawan, Vijay, pujara, rohit, virat, dhoni, jadeja, Ashwin, Umesh, shami, zaheer bhuvi, rahane, aparjit

Posted by delboy on (November 8, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

Let us not forget Chris Gayle has had more innings recently on Indian wickets than he has in the Caribbean or even at Sabina Park , so he should be more than familiar with these conditions. Sammy admits losing mentally, that is part of the game of cricket so he is slowly learning. Hopefully India will win the toss and bat first next game to ensure Sachin gets LBW twice in that match by Shillingford. Notice the umpire gave hime out to Shillingford and returned the complement when he bowled?

Posted by philvic on (November 8, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

Hopefully the next test is rained out which would put a fitting end to this awful chapter in the history of test cricket (disgusting BCCI behaviour, not SRT).

Posted by sumonpantha on (November 8, 2013, 17:10 GMT)

India wins at home only. India should invite BD to play in india. After that they can prove themself. I think BD can beat India anywhere in the world.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 8, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

@ Barry Glynn still sachin is indian and not a third country hired cricketer like those in england team. And who cares about that street club yorkshire. We are talking international cricket. As far as indian wickets are concerned, well ponting avgs 20 on this and your third world english club players dance on tunes of spinners and cry seeing them. That broad, oh who can forget how shamelessly he was hit for 6 sixes in an over.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 8, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

I only hope that when Shami again bowl in ODI's on dead pitches, people won't forget this test match performance.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

@social_monster09 India Won Test Series and ODI Series in ENGLAND,India Won ODI Series in Australia , India Won ODI Series in Newzealand, India Won ODI Series in Westindies ,India Reached WC Final In South Africa as well as won T20 WC Cup,India Won ICC Champions Trophy in England,India Won ODI & Test Series in PAK,SRILANKA,BANGLADES.....Even more.........I cant see you saying us flat track bullies.....Move On

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (November 8, 2013, 16:44 GMT)

All I can say is CONGRATULATIONS INDIA !! What a performance from the boys. And what a performance from our new sensation Mohammed Shami. A small town boy with a BIG future for India. Every Indian fan should be PROUD of this performance; especially since we won in 3 days. Of course we will always have the HATERS who come to Indian articles and post nonsense. These people live in self denial and fail to admit that the Indian team is taking giant strides towards betterment. They always bring in SA when it comes to test matches to do a comparison. I have no problem with that. BUT, what they fail to realize is that the Indian team plays better ALL ROUND cricket compared to ANY other team in the world. They are in the top 3 in all formats. SA and ENG are gpod in test cricket but useless in ODIs. I am sorry but I cannot accept a team being good in ONLY 1 format. I think as a nation, we have something to look forward to now. I think we have a good chance to beat SA in SA.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 16:32 GMT)

Great player Sachin but scored majority of his runs on the disgraceful low rubbish Infian pitches he was brought up on. Didn't do that well at Yorkshire

Posted by rudyvoller on (November 8, 2013, 16:22 GMT)

The focus of this test match should be sheer performance, not adulation for Tendulkar.

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (November 8, 2013, 16:13 GMT)

Sachin is definitely one of the greatest, if not the greatest. He is a perfect gentleman, and a great performer. In any case most Indians believe that, and that is what matters in the final analysis.

Posted by soumyas on (November 8, 2013, 16:11 GMT)

Everything else is good about India except opening batsman Vijay, It is high time to give a chance to Ajinkya Rahane instead of him.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 16:01 GMT)

As a genuine Indian cricket follower India should not go gaga on Shami's performance, yes he can swing the ball both ways which Steyn, Philander and Anderson cant do but the players who faced him had vast batting flaws. West Indies is so far behind that this series for India only serves the purpose of maintaining the sharpness of the blade. The result expected from India in Bombay is even more ruthlessness. However if Ishant was playing no way would we have won this in three days, so the days of Ishant and Zaheer are over. Hopefully Tendulkar can whack some runs in Bombay to sign off in style...and get this series over and done with and lets go to SA to prove some detractors wrong...

Posted by social_monster09 on (November 8, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

Sherjil Islam on (November 8, 2013, 15:41 GMT) I respect ur opinion, I m nt criticising ur indian team but this is damn true. We all know that they show great calibre & confidence on field & play some of there excellent cricket but only in India not abroad remember Aus & Eng whitewashed them. That's the reason many said that Indian team is home track bullies. And as far as the Question of Sir Don Bradman he is unarguably the greatest of the greatest. Sachin is also great great batsman but he is shadow of Sir Don he himself said that many times

Posted by AbySibyKalapurayil on (November 8, 2013, 15:50 GMT)

Ashwin now the World No.1 all rounderin test cricket

Posted by perl57 on (November 8, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

Where was all that talk that Powell should shovell Indian bowlers, Shillngford will put holes inside Indian batting line up. Everything vanished in thin air in a matter of 2 and half days. I am not saying this was a bad performance. It looked more English kind of performance. They have only a KP and Cook without whom their bowlers cannot even set up the match. Windies had better team and still yet went for ShOt making unnecessarily. With all the help of umpires too they could not get it done. Now they know, there is a huge difference between an A team and the national team.

Posted by kelbov on (November 8, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

Another terrible performance by the West Indies against a top team.No Body expected them to trash India but at least they were expected to compete, which they have not done. Its sad to say that they are continuing with players like Darren Bravo who for some reasons seems to have lost all confidence and the ability he had when he first came out. Watching him bat now is Pain Staking and i wish they could go back to the drawing board. Denesh Ramdhin is a continued failure for West Indies Cricket,after being around for so long and to average 22 is most disturbing. Tino Best, Cotterell and Permaul should NEVER play together in any match, NEVER!

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 8, 2013, 15:45 GMT)

@IPSY So we have one more comment which compares apples and oranges. How can you compare the average of a player whose form is in slump with some one who is at his peak in career. Sure why not compares Sachins best days of 1998 with others. There is definitely some thing about his stroke play that distinguished him from others. If you want check out the videos of his in 90s.

No one is degrading Bradman or any other players but there are some posters here who come often to belittle he achievements by bringing all these nonsens 'avg' stuff

Posted by Cannondale on (November 8, 2013, 15:45 GMT)

We are grateful to Mr Faulkner for smashing our bowling spearhead Ishant. Without that, Shami never would have been given chance over Ishant.

Posted by Ranchi_Lad on (November 8, 2013, 15:42 GMT)

It seems Rohit Sharma is coming of age, he is certainly a big game player, and certainly the talent is shining through...!!! Seems with Dhawan, Kohli, Rohit and Pujara, all of whom have good pull, hook and square cuts, add to them Dhoni, a master puller of the short ball...it's going to be a good contest in SA! And with Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami (as long as they do not lose their heads looking at the bouncy tracks), we have a good swing and seam combo! I hope Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron learn a bit of wiliness quickly and makes it in the big league, their pace will help! It seems Sir Jadeja has changed very quickly from the golden boy to the weakest link!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:41 GMT)

@IPSY:"51 centuries is achievable in 200 test and 330 innings" ofcourse is possible. But my dear friend you can only dream on about a player who can play for 24 years continuously and never got dropped not because of reputation but because of performance. I think you haters have lost it completely...u just can't appreciate a fact that a guy is just one test away from creating an ultimate history.

Posted by HDG1978 on (November 8, 2013, 15:36 GMT)

@IPSY Despite all the ridicule you have for Sachin, fact remains that whether you like it or not, he remains head and shoulders above the other worthies (Amla, Chanderpaul and Misbah) that you have mentioned. Misbah started playing regularly for Pak from 2007 at 33 and has effectively been around for about 7 years making up for lost time. Amla is 30 at which age, Tendulkar was scoring 100s in WI, Eng, in the SC and Aus. Tendulkar's batting records might be broken some day by Cook in Tests and Kohli in ODIs. But would love to see if they show the same longevity of over 20 years that SRT has shown and excelled as well over such a long period consistently. Chanderpaul, however, is another great no lesser than SRT but his career has sadly coincided with the decline of WI cricket. Too bad and feel sad for him though.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 8, 2013, 15:32 GMT)

@heathrf1974 When and where did i say that Sachin is superior to Bradman? I was responding to Mr LiilianThompson who kept posting some 'average' nonsense which puts players like Shikhar dhawan above Bradman.

Sure Bradman is untouchable No one denies he is the greatest(despite not facing too many bowlers like contemporary batsmen). But when people talk about averages you should remember that the calculation is based on the runs accumulated/innings out. Bradman probably does not warrant a comparison here because he is way too too high above the rest in the same num of matches.(It will be interesting to know how his own average fluctuated match by match. he would have averaged more or less than 99. What if it was 91 or 92. He would still be the best)

But can you compare the current crop of players based on their averages after the career. I think not. Ponting was averaging some 59 in 2007(he was the best in that period) can you say Greg is better than Ponting. No. Thats my point.

Posted by Fan1969 on (November 8, 2013, 15:31 GMT)

I have rarely been so angry at a decision taken by past great cricketers about MoM. @Hemnath T20 comment has been featured but it it is ridiculous logic.

MoM is given for the best performance in a match not what would have happened if Rohit / Ashwin had not batted. If Shami had not taken wickets in first innings maybe WI would have made 500 and so on.

Shami has had the BEST debut by an Indian pacer in the history of Indian cricket, since 1932. Also he did so on a pitch made for spinners NOT for pace bowling. Then the past batsmen like Shastri, Gavaskar, Sidhu, Arun Lal, Ganguly and Dravid go ahead and award the MoM to Rohit. I have nothing against Rohit but 14 other Indian batsmen have made Debut Centuries but NO pace bowler EVER got 9 wickets, mostly top order as well, in a debut match.

We have good batting, run 300+ scores in ODIs, bash bowlers and award MoM to batsmen. When we can award bowlers we miss the chance and then say India does not produce good pace bowlers!!! Ridiculous

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

md. shami is the standout performer of this match.nice to see him getting reverse swing at will.he will grow in stature with more match experience.one advice for him though would be not to forget his natural skills in the process of coaching or tips that may come his way in bounds after this steller performance in this match.i have seen many such talents being ruined by unnecessary coaching.as for the windies bring in sunil and rampaul in the next match.finally a few word on context.are we not discussing performance of our team as a whole than anything else after this match.long live the game of cricket .there is nothing tailormade for it.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (November 8, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

Indian fans are always unsatisfied. It's a funny debate on MOM award. Rohit Sharma's in his debut test match was given huge responsibility to rescue Indian team while top players lost their wickets (including wrong umpiring of SRT and Kohli). I agree Ashwin has contributed alot with his bat but without Rohit Sharma (or any specialist batsman) a bowler can't perform like that. Shami's performance is more than what India expected and that is why Dhoni was very happy and applauded him as fantastic bowler (don't know why some people are even saying that Dhoni didn't even appreciate him as if Dhoni hates bowlers). After India had posted huge first inning score WI would have anyway lost this match but Shami's fantatstic bowling acheived it in 3 days. So please don't come up with your own speculations as if you are cricket Gurus. Just enjoy the success.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

@IPSY firstly you have to be good enough to selected for national team at the age of 16.and who is carl hooper? we are talking about a different league here buddy. also we will see how amla can maintain those figures. he is a good player but couple of good years does not make him great. and don't even make me remind me of amla's initial years in international cricket even after making his debut so late. he was not even good enough to get into the national side till his late 20's, so there is no comparison. dawan averages 200 in tests, should i compare him to bradman :D

Posted by Mayfield on (November 8, 2013, 15:25 GMT)

The WI team really needs an overhaul. This cannot continue. A #8 batsman scores a hundred and none of the WI batsmen can. I have been a Sammy supporter, but it is time for him to go. He is not a penetrating bowler nor is he a capable batsman. He basically bats the same way, regardless of the situation. Tino Best should also be dropped. He is wayward and expensive. Ramdin is a good keeper, but again, his batting leaves a lot to be desired. Samuels for the most part does not live up to his god given potential. Gayle has played too much T20 cricket. He is another one that for the most part does not come through when he is needed. Bravo has potential, but!! If we had more batsmen like Chanderpaul, maybe we would be more competitive, instead of collapsing time and time again.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:25 GMT)

india. got milestone. in mohd.. shami ahmad.. after long time india got. good. pase bowler.. mohd. shami..ahmad..

Posted by raghu.vrm on (November 8, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

Going by the order of the day, congrats to Ashwin for a well-deserved century. As expected India have extended the lead beyond 200. It gave the bowlers the cushion to put pressure on WI. But once again WI failed to capitalize from a strong position. Credit to Shami for the way he showed control over the ball and he scripted the WI batting collapse. Ashwin too did his part in that collapse. For me Ashwin was the MOM for his all-round performance. But I guess being specialist batsmen you would think that Rohit is the guiding force in that partnership. So I think he got the MOM. However the test belonged to the two debutants. They showed why they belong to the test arena in their respective areas with a dream performance.

Finally disappointed with the 3-day test match. Would have loved to see WI put up a fight. But credit to India for the way they have comeback in to the match and dictated terms from there. Congrats India. Waiting for the final test of Little Master.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

The BCCI should stop playing hard to get, and endorse the UDRS. Atleast 3 Indian batsmen would have benefited from dubious umpiring decisions.

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (November 8, 2013, 15:11 GMT)

Where are players like Bishoo, Ravi Rampaul, and Ram Naresh Sarwan? Chris Gayle simply doesn't have the temperament to play test cricket. If they want to try out T20 players in the tests, why not try Kieron Pollard and Dwayne Smith also. I really hope that WI will put up a much better performance in the second test, otherwise, this series will become very boring for everyone. It is not good to see the decline of WI test team to such an extent. Although, individually they are all very good players, but somehow they don't click as a team in Tests. Test cricket needs a strong WI side... From an Indian fan...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

@ heathrf1974 : With all due to respect to Sir Don Bradman, i am damn sure he couldn't have averaged 99 if he had played in this modern era of technology and the sub-continent's spin friendly pitches with bowlers like Murali,Kumble and Saqlain Mushtaq to play against. He could have been found out easily by coaches and bowlers against the world, but nevertheless he is a great and will remain but to me Sachin is the greatest.Period

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

The West Indians certainly lack batsmen who can play long innings. Looking at their current players I can hardly find anyone who can fit in this batting side. It seems like Gayle is not so passionate about staying long in the crease. Ravi Rampaul, Keemar Roach and certainly Sunil Narine are being missed a lot in their bowling department. Hope they up their level in Sachin's last appearance.

Posted by IPSY on (November 8, 2013, 15:02 GMT)

On January 2, 2011, Tendulkar made a 100. Since that, for 3 CONSECUTIVE YEARS (less 1 mth), he has batted in 39 CONSECUTIVE INNINGS; has not scored a single 100 and is averaging 21.55. What has made him greater than say Hashim Amla, who batted in 35 innings in the same period; scoring eight 100s; and averaging 64.00? You can't tell me age! Chanderpaul is also in his 40th year; but in 34 innings he scored six 100s at 73; in the same period! Misbah-ul-Haq also in his 40th year is averaging 52.00 in 38 innings, with two 100s. Sachin has also had longer droughts before, with similar abysmal figures. This technique thing I hear people talking about: Sachin is no Lawrence 'Yaga' Rowe! He's not even a Carl Hooper on technique - hence, what is all the nostalgia regarding him about? 51 centuries is achievable by any good player, if his national selectors would allow him to play 200 matches and 330 innings, in or out of form!

Posted by AbdurRakib on (November 8, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

Some times, it would be good to chose bowler as MoM if there are options! Why always batsman are given preference?

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

he is not a fast bowler genius.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 14:56 GMT)

1. MS Dhoni (capt) 2. Shikhar Dhawan 3. Virat Kohli 4. Suresh Raina 5. Dinesh Karthik 6. Murali Vijay 7. Rohit Sharma 8. Ravindra Jadeja 9. Ravichandran Ashwin 10. mohit sharma 11. Umesh Yadav 12. Bhuvneshwar Kumar 13. zaheer khan 14. shami 15. Vinay Kumar for sa tour pls..........final sqaud

Posted by DingDong420 on (November 8, 2013, 14:55 GMT)

Chris Gayle is in the team on past glories, he may score runs and big runs in the next test match but he will go missing for another 10 tests.

The Windies cannot afford to have him in the side, They need a solid old school opener or pair of openers...maybe even move him down the order

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

@ social_monster09 on (November 8, 2013, 14:00 GMT): r u for sure???? i know u people have n't got an opportunity for a long while to bash India but never expected u haters will touch so low that even at a time when India is beating opposition hands down and with innings margin, u find a reason to post some ridiculous comment!! Disgustin g to say the least.#getalife

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 8, 2013, 14:50 GMT)

Way to go, Shami !! We have no shartage of talent in India. Ishwar Pandey is another good pace bowler who deserves a place in the Indian team. I think we have seen the last of Ishant Sharma. Some people call hum unlucky, but I think he was the luckiest bowler who played for so long with a pathetic average of 39. Hopefully, our selectors have realized their folly in supporting same old Ishant and Vinay, when we have bowlers like Shami and Ishwar.

Posted by bijuphilip on (November 8, 2013, 14:47 GMT)

West indies selection policy batting order is really questionable? ramdin,perumal has no chance in a test team

1,Gayle.2charls3.powel4chandarpaul5.bravo6.d.bravo.7swamy.8sunil9edward. 10.tinobest 11shilford this could be the better team

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (November 8, 2013, 14:43 GMT)

@ social_monster09 - Oh wait - you were from the same set of passionate Ind bashers who said that Ind can't even win a single game in the CT-2013 in England before the start of the tourney - well mate - we won it without even dropping a single game.!! beating the hosts in the final on their own turf! Hmmm - now what were the odds of that? Please keep 'em coming.

Posted by athulpk on (November 8, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

it was a covincing win for the indians....there are many positives happened in this match like the dream debuts of shami and rohit...ashwin also showed his class with the bat while other star batsman have failed...i think we need zak bak in the test team,with zak there should be shami and umesh then we can form a formidable bowling line up with ashwin and jadeja also...rohit is ready to take sachin's spot.overall things are looking for the future....finally a great thank you to the evergreen master sachin tendulkar.....amazing career coming to an end....thank you sachin....all the best for your future life...

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 8, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

Sammy sadly really has to go now form Tests he is useless with both bat and ball v any half decent side in this format and Kirk Edwards a competent batsman must play the last game ideally he would replace Sammy let Ramdin captain from behind the stumps and Narine would also replace Permaul. Obviosuly Sammy isn't going to be replaced so I'd have to give Edwards a shot instead of either Powell or Bravo who both look like rabbits in headlights out there, . Ideally I'd go with 1.Gayle 2.Powell3.Edwards 4.Samuels 5.Shiv 6.Bravo as my top 6 and then 7.Ramdin 8.Narine 9.Best 10.Shilingford 11.Cotrell although Sammy is captain so will have to replace Cottrell or Best and W.I will have to play with 1 pace bowler or 5 batsman again leaving it out Powell or Bravo

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

@Jose Puliampatta: i kinda disagree with your comment about shiv being completely opposite vvs. i knw i am going to get a lot of flak for wat i am going to say, but pls hear me out! i knw vvs has played many match winning innings, foremost being the 281 against aus...but in that innings he had dravid for company n didnt hv to farm strike. if you see his other innings, where he has batted with tailenders, inmost of them he DOES NOT farm the strike. he also takes single off the 1st or 2nd balls. against aus in 2010, wen he was batting with ishant as the last man, he regularly took early singles, and in fact ishant faced more balls than him in the partnership. same with a lot of other innings. n ppl say that this is his style, showing confidence in the tail. shiv did the same, but failed. the only diff i can see if the ability of the tail to stick around. if ishant had gotout to a really gud ball, we would be saying the same thing! so, luck n the other team members also play a huge part

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (November 8, 2013, 14:31 GMT)

@ heathrf1974 - well mate - same question applies to you as well - how come no one comes close to a century of centuries in all formats of the game in the Tendulkar Era? Now please don't point to the "pitches" - we've heard that point before as well .. doesn't make much sense since > 50 % of sachin's hundreds have come outside of india - And if scoring a ton of tons was so easy on SC pitches how come no one have even come close?

Posted by Reuelsean on (November 8, 2013, 14:26 GMT)

West Indies played total rubbish cricket. We played only 5 batsmen, and our bowling was still weak. Sammy has no place in this side, and neither does Tino Best, the guy has been around forever and still just tries to run in and bowl fast like he has no proper bowling plans, or the means to execute them. Cummings, Holder, Rampaul and Narine should have been included on this tour. Bravo is a much better test batsman than Sammy and should have been given the allrounder spot. Well done to shillingford, he bowled well.

Posted by rayinto on (November 8, 2013, 14:18 GMT)

Why blame Chanderpaul? He was not out. Blame the ones that got out!

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 8, 2013, 14:17 GMT)

Very unlikely India will need to bat twice in either game unless W.I drastically change there bowling tactics and lineup. Permaul and Sammy were both impotent, do they not have the option to bring Narine in for injured Roach ? Surely this is time to give him another shot in Tests out in India combining with Shillingford who was pretty much a 1 man army and way over bowled. Best and Cottrell need to take a look at the Indian pacers and work on there areas charging in no matter how fast is useless if you bowl one down legside or half volley every over an Sammy cannot have fielders sweeping on both sides of the wicket either this is Test cricket not amateur SUnday league !

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 14:16 GMT)

Fitting reply to those who have decided not to hand over debut cap to Shami by Tendulkar or Dhoni but by off-mark Ishant sharma!The main feature of this match is that every debutant of either side did well. Well done rohit, shami and shellingford.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 14:10 GMT)

the best way to tackle reverse swing is to play on the front foot and play as late as possible with the straight bat. i would even suggest standing an inch outside the crease to avoid getting lbw or bowled.

Posted by HDG1978 on (November 8, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

@ Aniket Chiniwalla. I hope that is out it pans out with Zak the guiding light for the new crop of Indian fast bowlers and India do well in SA, NZ and more importantly in England where we had a horrendous tour in 2011. @ Jerome White, Sammy will remain Test captain in this series. But as somebody pointed out, a few changes are required for WI to be more competitive. Maybe, just one spinner with Deonarine in should work for the visitors.

Posted by social_monster09 on (November 8, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

Good farewell game for Sachin, though Shami is the new face for fast bowling with reverse swing after Zaheer in india becoz Indian pace line really needs bowlers like Shami. But his real test is coming next after this no value series, when they face South Africa. New Zealand, England & then Australia all outside India. Becoz Ashwin, Jadeja all are helpless on those wickets. So celebrate one more victory at home then get ready for 11-2 or 13-0 defeat in next 13 abroad Test matches. And yes really want to see how those two Dhawan & Rohit tackle that sweet chin music deliveries there. Just wait & see...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

The Cricketing World is becoming 'topsy-turvy".

Lookaround: Marcus North of Australia went "South". Across the sea,Tim Southee of New Zealand went "North". Now the umpires do not want to be left behind. Closer home, over the last three days, Llong showed, that he is "Short" on his judgement!

Posted by jjradha on (November 8, 2013, 13:55 GMT)

Dear Mr. HemnathT20,

The Man of the mach award has been selected by the commentary squad. Mr.Gavaskar, Ravi Sastri probably thought Ravi Ashwin scored less and has only 5 wickets.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:54 GMT)

If you factor in the capabilities, the biggest failure was Chris Gayle...

Should the batsman at the other end remind him, in between every over, that he is wearing "Whites" (not technicolor) and the ball is "Red" (not white) ?

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:49 GMT)

Quote from the report: "...Shivnarine Chanderpaul watched the meltdown, his propensity to take a single off the first ball of an over with the tail only hastening the end...."

When it comes to batting with the tail, Chanders, a great batsman in his own right, turned out to be directly opposite to VVS Laxman. :-(

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

I dont know why we West Indian fans have to humiliated so much. Darren Sammy is our modern Darren Ganga he cant bat neither bowl he is selected Primarily TO SET FIELDS and nothing else. Walsh was a stand out captain who only bowled without troubling the scorecards but was a great captain unlike Sammy. Why play a wicket keeper who cant score 10 runs in an innings all he does is score one decent total in a yr and he's chosen over who's consistently performing. Ramdin is not better than Baugh,Flecther,Charles,Simmons but get the go. Deonarine for Permaul and Edwards for Sammy. West Indies REALLY NEED A NEW CAPTAIN AND A NEXT WICKET KEEPER> ITS A SHAME WE CANT GET TO CHALLENGE INDIA TO GET ENOUGH OF SACHIN TENDULKAR AT THE CREASE. SHAME ON WEST INDIES TEAM FOR UR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCES!

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 8, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

@Cricfan_99 If that's the case then how come no one else during Bradman's era averaged in the 90s if it was much easier? @ Al_Bundy1sdaddy you can extrapolate as you can compare to other players during his era.

Posted by TAJY on (November 8, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

Living in the Caribbean, I cannot believe I woke up to discover West Indies had already lost. Within 3 days!! The words 'pathetic' and 'tactless' don't do justice. I don't know where to start. Well let's start from the top. Gayle is Gayle. he likes to smack the ball and hates to take singles. He CAN play test cricket but does so when he feels like it. Powell and Bravo are good, but needs to capitalize their starts and play with more cricketing sense, too much schoolboy stuff. Samuels can bat so well, he needs to apply himself. Chanderpaul needs to come in earlier! Who manages this team? A 5 year old?? Sigh. Ramdin is a batting failure, get rid of him. Get rid of Sammy for tests, get rid of Tino Best! The man has no control as a bowling spearhead. What is Cotterell doing in the team? Whatever happened to Jerome Taylor? Where's Jason Holder? The current lineup baffles me

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:36 GMT)

Today's ball-by-ball commentary, among other things, cryptically described this match and its "Jai Ho" end, thus:

"...engineered by Rohit Sharma and R Ashwin and completed by Mohammed Shami..."

That took me back through the memory lane... to the same Eden Gardens: India against Ponting's Aussies... And would love to reminisce about that match, which perhaps was one of the significant milestones in the recent Indian Cricket History; if anyone writes one.

"... engineered by Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman and completed by Harbhajan..."

Posted by IndianBrasco on (November 8, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

MOM Rohit Sharma totally ridiculous... bowlers are never given a credit.. It should have been Shami for taking 9 wickets or Ashwin playing a knock of 124 @#8 and taking some important wickets.

Posted by CricketFanIndUS on (November 8, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

One can make a good case for each of Shami, Ashwin and Rohit for the MOM award. . . . . and they had to pick only one. This is a tough one for the adjudicator(s), they should have let them share the title (but that has been rare). Usually all rounders win in these cases, but this is a tough one to call. Well played both debutants and Ashwin!

Posted by Iceman29 on (November 8, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

Congrats to Shami, Ashwin and Rohit on rescuing India and guiding India to Victory...Shillingford is a great find for WI.....All is well when we play in our Hometurf but this performance should not fade away when we tour SA, Aus and Eng...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:29 GMT)

shami eyeing the middle stump is much like rohit sharma eyeing the boundary line these days...! a dream debut for both..hope they instill among themeselves the much lacking consistency generally lacking in the Indian lads...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:25 GMT)

@heathrf1974

What's all about if?

You forgot one more if. You mean to say Sir Don would have make it 99 even today if against the opponent team like Sri Lanka.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (November 8, 2013, 13:24 GMT)

This series was all about Tendulkar's farewell with his last test in front of his home ground and instead it's the local boy, Shami, who bowls out of his skin in his first test and bowls India to victory in front of his home crowd and Rohit scoring a century on his test debut whilst Tendulkar makes 10 runs. After all the tributes and quotes and stories that have been going around since Tendulkar announced his retirement, I guess it's back to reality.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

@Harmony111 @sachin_vvsfan @IndianSRTfan @Cricfan_99

Why do people from a particular country like to live in fantasy all the time? Why can't they face the reality?

I mean........ If, would have, could have, might have,.... ,... ,...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:17 GMT)

guys get some rest its over inside 3 days....

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 8, 2013, 13:14 GMT)

This is what I was talking about !! There's no shortage of talent in India. Bowlers like Shami and Ishwar are the future of India - not Ishant and Vinay. Shami deserved MOM award. In India we are biased in favor of batsmen. We give all the awards to batsmen and then we wonder how come we can't find good bowlers !! And please stop blaming the umpire. It was Sachin & BCCI decision not to use DRS technology.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:14 GMT)

This is the result when the Caribbean is divided. The coach Gibson should have been a thing of the past. The Barbadians are quite on this one however if the chap was from any other part of the Caribbean his head was a chop off. The team selected is not the right one Sammy does not worth his place in the side among others. Why is Rampaul home and several more questions can be asked. Where is Sarwan who is averaging 42 in test cricket Big brave is a better performer than Sammy in the Indian conditions. Santoki the Jamaican left armer can move the ball into the right handed bats appreciable what is he doing home. It appears that the team is a showcase for those players who can get along well with the coach... first criterion for being selected. It a good kicking I am glad.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:13 GMT)

Agree @tanstell87. Now they need to replace Permaul with Deonarine for the second test. Deonarine, Samuuels and Gayle can hardly do worse the Permaul. But it also self-belief and focus. WI were 128 for 2 and blew it. Had 5 Indians out for less than 100 and lost by an innings. They just needed one more penetrative bowler and more astute captaincy.

Posted by NP_NY on (November 8, 2013, 13:12 GMT)

@Er Swapnil Parihar: Good point, forgot Bhuvi. Zaheer, Shami, Bhuvaneshwar and Umesh. If these guys apply themselves in SA, they can give SA quicks a run for their money.

Posted by 504429641 on (November 8, 2013, 13:10 GMT)

ramdin @6 and sammy @7 in the batting lineup is as bad as it can get. drop permaul and get in narsingh deonarine. though deonarine can spin, he is more of a batting allrounder than a bowling one. he can come in @6. Or to strengthen batting, Kirk Edwards can also come in, but bowling would become week. Presence of Dwayne Bravo @6 would have given WI a good balance. C'mon WI, give some fight in Mumbai test atleast. It is not just 200th for Sachin, it is also 150th for Chanders.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:10 GMT)

Ramdin and Sammy are burden to the team. pl get ride of these two. and by the time specialist batsman chanderpaul reaches the crease no one is left...

Dear selectors, may i get a call up to play in ur team?

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:08 GMT)

i think,bangladesh will be far more better opponent than WI at this time in india.n the farewell series of tendulkar would be more competitive n more interesting to watch.

Posted by KrishG on (November 8, 2013, 13:07 GMT)

MN Samuel was given lbw wrongly in the second innings. Will this also be talked about as was the God in the indian innings?

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

hope wi selectors are happy lot now...they sent a dump squad to india.. presence Nariene would have changed the fate of the game...shame to WI selectors and squad...

Posted by KrishG on (November 8, 2013, 12:59 GMT)

Man of the match award should have gone to Sachin. But for his presence in the field and the media hype around him, India would not have won!!

Posted by Lets_Bash_Indians on (November 8, 2013, 12:48 GMT)

Haters need Something to hate,,,, for instance,, today the problem is about giving MOM award. come on people there is a whole big world out there. get a life.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

Come on West Indies

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

mom was a three way tie between rohit ash-win and shami. but in my view it cud have either shami or rohit as they both outbowled and outbatted him , respectively. winner is always the one who gets best position, nobody remembers the runner ups.

Posted by JDEffer on (November 8, 2013, 12:36 GMT)

My vote for MOM is Shami.. 9 wickets and bowled with a straight elbow !!

Posted by Lets_Bash_Indians on (November 8, 2013, 12:34 GMT)

i only wonder,, how brutal Shami gonna be on Green Tracks of SA. lol i can see lines on forheads of Saffa Fans

Posted by Lets_Bash_Indians on (November 8, 2013, 12:33 GMT)

LOL the best thing is,, we don't need green tracks for taking wickets. #shami.

Posted by Sheela on (November 8, 2013, 12:31 GMT)

It is heartening to see that Rohit Sharma was not forced to open and offered as sacrificial lamb to make way for some favourite as was done in earlier years. Hope the same trend continues. Another disturbing feature is criticism of umpires and team selection or non-selection of certain players. One doubts whether people making such comments have any experience in selection or umpiring even in the lower category of matches.

Posted by tanstell87 on (November 8, 2013, 12:28 GMT)

West Indies should seriously think about Dareen Sammy in the test team...he is ok for ODIs & T20Is but for tests at number 7 is bit annoying with his unsatisfactory performance in test cricket so far...

West Indies should play 6 proper batsmen & then the keeper Ramdin(what happened to him after that Yea VIV talk Nah)...& proper fast bowlers...where is Sunil Narine ? he could have been biggest asset for West Indies on this slow low turning tracks...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

I agree. Let us not forget that in the past, we have drawn many matches that we ought to have won because we did not have a genuine fast, reverse-swinging bowler.. Shami might not be the quickest but he sure is quick enough to rattle the best of the batsmen. I would ideally like Yadav to be in the pack and for the next couple of seasons, Zaheer guiding Shami and Bhuvi. Zaheer is very vital if India have to give SA, NZ and Eng some serious competition in the forthcoming series. The best part is that Zaheer is fitter, leaner and seems hungry for wickets. If he can guide the likes of Bhuvi who should increase his pace by an yard or two and Shami who needs to be nurtured with care, India will be a force to reckon with in world cricket.

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (November 8, 2013, 12:26 GMT)

@ heathrf1974 - well lets look at the other side of the coin - Bradman played in an era where there wasn't any technology to study and expliot a batsman's weakness over television, he never had to endure the pressure of 1 billion people and deliver everytime he walked out to bat, 95 % of his runs came against the same team and at 7-8 venues - whereas sachin has played at close to 100 different venues/conditions and against 9 other test teams each and everyone trying to get a better of him - and lastly bradman never had 49 ODI centuries - who knows he might have struggled at that format - hope this is rational enough.

Posted by LillianThomson on (November 8, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

It's bizarre that some people are responding to the fact that Tendulkar is now almost certain to end his career below Greg Chappell by saying "but that is because he carried on after he was past his best".

Sorry, but Bradman is forever 99.94, even though his average was over 100 before that final innings.

Tendulkar is the one who chose to go on and on, even though any other country would have dropped him before he could get to 39 successive Test innings now without a century.

And he now has to live with the fact that he has fallen out of history's Top 20 batsmen, and is now sandwiched between Greg Chappell above and Brian Lara straight below him.

Which is probably pretty fair, as Chappell played on more difficult pitches against far superior bowlers and played half his career before the introduction of helmets, while Lara and Tendulkar feasted with their heavy bats against the same mediocre bowlers on easy wickets.

Can Sachin score the 97 or 151 runs to depart in the Top 20?

Posted by coolitbaby on (November 8, 2013, 12:19 GMT)

is this some kind of a joke to not give ashwin the man of the match award? what else does he have to do to get MoM?? ashwin has been among the most consistent (and 2nd highest wicket taker) for india in recent times. remember that dhoni had to turn to him in championts trophy final over to defend 11 runs. which other spin bowler in the world would have been given an over in such a situation? i was not an ashwi fan to begin with, but ashwin with his consitent performences under high pressure and humble attitude has won me over. hats off ash !!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:16 GMT)

Now nobody talks of Samuels' lbw, and why? DRS, modified so as to favor the batter rather than the umpire, and involving normal replays, if too much technology is tricky, can improve umpiring. Indian fans must understand that Oz didn't ask for doing away with it only because they were at the receiving end more often than not. But then even in this match it was Windies who suffered more overall (not forgetting it was their incompetence rather than the umpiring that spelled disaster for them). So their stance has only helped them. India's worries largely limited to some personal set backs. If they are more important to many of their fans, well, who to blame? If BCCI's problem was only the technicalities of DRS, they could have easily pressed for simplified methods; they just fear it; that's the only conclusion one arrives at.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:13 GMT)

Matt prior complained about the standard of umpiring in the ashes test . He felt he doesnt mind having umpires from england and australia instead of neutral umpires . Hi prior what about this then . I will instead say no comments .Aleem dar u r better umpire than this guy from england

Posted by just_chill_chill on (November 8, 2013, 12:11 GMT)

So 120 odd runs plus 5 wickets is not good enough to be man of the match but 172 runs with 0 wickets is ???

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:09 GMT)

Actually Rohit, Shami and Ashwin all three players role was crucial to India's victory inside three days. It's a pity the MoM award could not be shared. The joy of Indian test match has been somewhat diluted by the way the opposition had caved in without a fight. There was atleast one session when India looked to be in trouble but then Rohit, Dhoni and Ashwin fought back well. Well played India and buck up WI, we would like to see a more even contest.

Posted by JDEffer on (November 8, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

.. totally predictable... one of the weakest world sides versus one of the stronger ones.. 3day Test match... only failure here is BCCI for choosing the weak opposition for the Sachin Showcase which didn't get to the 4th and 5th day.. Plan on the second day next match... or quickly call CSA and make up....

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

Its time to remove Sammy as Captain and make him fight for his spot on the team. He is very irresponsible and has no value on his wicket. Then they need to give the gloves to someone like Johnson Charles or Llendl Simmons or even they chap on tour with them. Ramdin is like Mervin Dillon who embarrassed himself for yrs before calling it quits.The West Indian top 5 should be made two compete for their spots for better performances. but Sunil and Shillingford is a very great combination.

Posted by TheShoebKhan on (November 8, 2013, 12:07 GMT)

As far as batting with tail-enders is concerned, VVS was the best of this era. He has won some memorable test matches for India batting with tail-enders. Nobody can forget the innings he played against Australia at Mohali. I dont understand what C'paul was trying to do today. The ball reverse-swinging and he still let no.10 and 11 face an entire over of Shami by taking single off the very first ball. Strange!

Posted by CricketChat on (November 8, 2013, 12:06 GMT)

The real players of the match were WI team. They just showed how test cricket should not be played. If this trend continues, Sachin may get only one more innings, not 2 as his fans would be hoping. BCCI should have arranged a stronger team for SRT's send off.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 8, 2013, 12:06 GMT)

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 8, 2013, 11:42 GMT): Thank you for the insight but no one really cares what would have happened if Bradman was still playing. Hard cold truth is, he isn't.

You can't extrapolate and predict what would have happened. In his era, for a lot of people, Bradman was the greatest. He had no competition, one format and only one team and 4-5 grounds to play against/at. In this era, Sachin is greatest, with tougher competition from Lara and Kallis, though when ODIs and Tests are taken together, Sachin has no competition. Deciding Greatest of all eras or times is a futile exercise.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:05 GMT)

india just blew wi away.apart from england , india have formiddable record in india and are undefeated for last 8 years. this makes England's 2-1 win even sweeter earlier. it will be seen whether india have what it rakes when they meet sa later.chris gayle was a disappointment as always.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

I seriously wonder Why people are so much on RSharma's Debutant Ton. If you could analyze deeply, it was Ashwin who helped RSharma to achieve this. Not to Forget, he took 5 Wickets & 124 Runs in this test match . But it is really pity that Both Rohit & Dhoni never utter his name during the presentation. To My surprise Dhoni also forgot to pat on his back. Really Strange!!!

I atleast expected Mohammed Shammi as MOM for his Amazing Bowling Performance, if not Ashwin.

But to our Surprise it was Rsharma. It's really pity that decision was pretty much biased towards Rsharma.

Posted by landofcricket on (November 8, 2013, 12:03 GMT)

@ runout49 i think we do not really need to compare both sachin & bradman as they are greats from two different generations..during bradman era he mostly played against same opposition eng(37),ind(5),wi(5),SA(5),in mostly same conditions (eng& aus pitches)...but during sachin era situation is different ..NO COMPARISON .both guys are great in their own era....

Posted by Harmony111 on (November 8, 2013, 12:01 GMT)

@heathrf1974:

I think you are quite wrong there. In fact your entire comment is quite hypothetical. Bradman used to play 4 tests an year so that meant he had ample time to prepare for each test match, he was never rushed really. Bradman never played anywhere except at his home & in England so he never had to worry about adjustments.

OTOH, not only has Sachin played 200 tests but 450 ODIS too. He has played all over the world & in some cases has been playing on flat tracks of Bangladesh & on a green top in Eng within 7 days. I am not even talking about jet lag etc.

To give you an idea about how great Sachin truly is, statistically, 1990s has the worst averages for aggregate batting since 1950s. Only 3 batsmen in 90s avgd more than 50s. Steve Waugh, Brian Lara & Sachin.

Waugh & Lara avgd ~50-52. How much did Sachin avg in 90s? 58+. Oh yeah.

Btw, I think no one can touch Bradman, not even Sachin but if Sachin & Bradman were swapped then the records would not be too diff.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:57 GMT)

Yes, Rohit played a Classi debutant innings. But what Shami inspired bowling or Ashwin 124 runs & 5 wicket haul. MoM should have been given to Ash or Shami.

Posted by pull_shot on (November 8, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

Ridiculous to give Rohit sharma man of d match compared to ashwin he played under more pressure with dhoni but still MOM should be shami or atleast ashwin. U don't get value for bowlers in india that is what tendulkar has done to us

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:52 GMT)

shami was impressive.but i would like to point out that bhuvi bowls well only with the new ball while shami was good only while it started to reverse.so we will have to find someone who can complement these two especially in sa,eng & aus.maybe someone like umesh,varun who have geniune pace & bounce can come in handy

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (November 8, 2013, 11:48 GMT)

Well said delboy. Windies have several issues to deal with, but they won't be corrected in time to save this series. Their decent run of test match victories has come crashing down to earth with the realisation that they are still far from the level of the top sides. India themselves are no top side, but at home they are a genuine test for anyone. Gayle does need to pace himself here, I agree. Powell and Bravo played well for a while. Samuels got a decent score followed by a terrible decision, while Shiv continues to annoy all who bowl at him. At 6, we need a batsman. Deonarine would add an all-round option but Edwards may slot in for now - either would be a patent improvement on Ramdin who certainly needs a break. Simmons at seven would be my choice, followed by a quartet of bowlers - not including Sammy, who has done a good job but now needs to be solely considered for the shorter formats. Roach (sorely missed) and 2 from Cotterrell, Cummins, Johnson + Best with Narine/Miller/Shilly.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:48 GMT)

5 Wickets and 124 runs. Still Rohit Sharma, Player of the Match for his debut century. What did Ashwin do wrong for not deserving the praise !!!

Posted by B.C.G on (November 8, 2013, 11:46 GMT)

Wonder how G Chappell entered the discussions here.He couldn't play 100 matches obviously because very few series were held then.The total number of games per year was less than what they have now.Chappell was also debarred from OZ during the Packer years.Also Chappell played some scary WI & Pakistani pacers WITHOUT helmets.With a helmet on I'm quite sure he would have thrashed some of these current bowlers.His record v/s pace & spin is brilliant.In ODI'S he was one of the fastest players of the day.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 8, 2013, 11:42 GMT)

*I meant beyond irrational.

Posted by delboy on (November 8, 2013, 11:41 GMT)

Guys, reflect on India's position when Rohit came to the wicket, he was able to build an inning with the support of Ashwin, they morally destroyed the WI bowling attack which at one stage looked set to bowl India out cheaply. Had he not play such an innings WI could have gained a first innings advantage. The fact that the WI batting is very brittle also worked against Shami getting MOTM. His time will come. Congratulations India. The West Indies now have two days to put their smartphone away and watch a replay of their lack of performance.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:39 GMT)

Rohit Sharma's Century is hyped and lauded as a great achievement. Great he was given an opportunity to play test cricket after persisting with his inconsistency for many years. In this match he was lucky to have Dhoni and Ashwin shoulder the batting responsibility which helped him stay put and score. There is a concerted effort to prop him up, can't see a reason why. Conferring Man-of-match award on him is a ridiculous decision. I believe, without taking anything away for Rohit's 177, Mohamed Shami's performance in this match is way above the batting performances. His 9 wickets turned the tide and delivered the result of the match. If we don't recognize and respect bowling talent, we will always fall short

Posted by TheShoebKhan on (November 8, 2013, 11:38 GMT)

No doubt, it was a phenomenal bowling performance by Shami. But do not forget Rohit played a brilliant knock. He came in when the chips were down. He had not even opened his account when India were tottering at 83/5. There on, he stitched two crucial partnerships- one with Dhoni and the other one with Ashwin, and took India to safety. When he got out on 177, India were comfortably placed at 436/7. This shows how good a knock he played and he fully deserves the man of the match award.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 8, 2013, 11:36 GMT)

@sachin_vvsfan If Bradman played today he would have still averaged 99. They only played about four tests a year back then. If he played today, with a helmet, with better bats and covered wickets he would have played at least over 150 tests and over 20,000 runs. Sachin is a great player but to say he's superior to Bradman is beyond rational.

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 8, 2013, 11:30 GMT)

well done team india. why was ashwin not MoM??? @Waqas Ghafoor Dogar "WASIM AKRAM ...Sultan of swing for making SHAMI such a good bowler..." It would be nice if Shami does not end up getting involved in bad things that Wasim was involved in during his playing days.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:30 GMT)

And the Indian team masterclass marches on...Jai Hind!!!

Posted by napster96 on (November 8, 2013, 11:29 GMT)

Rohit played brilliant knock on debut, his partnership with Dhoni turned the match, of course later Ashwin played brilliantly. Good choice for MOM.

Posted by CricketGuzzler on (November 8, 2013, 11:28 GMT)

It would have been fair to have the MOM Shared with Mohd Shami. For some one who is a debutant taking 9 wickets is no ordinary feat.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:24 GMT)

@ NP_NY remove Umesh and add Bhuvi to that list and you can very well compare the bowling of the SA sides... Shammi was gorgeous ....I think even if it was West Indies top order facing they would have gone out in the same fashion as the lower order ..Neither West Indies nor any other team can really have an answer to such deadly reverse swing and cutter...Bravo India Bravo..

Posted by Srini_Chennai on (November 8, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

Ridiculous to give Rohit MOM award. Shami took 9 wickets in a good batting surface, when was the last time an Indian seam bowler did that in India? Give these bowlers some due. If not for Shami, they should have given it to Ashwin.

Posted by gudolerhum on (November 8, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

Chanderpaul is only interested in his average. He bats not to get out. He should not be batting with the tailenders. Being the most experienced batsman in the team he should be put up to #4 and made to take his responsibility of scoring big runs. All he is happy to do is to bat with the tail knowing he will not be dismissed and his average will go up. He will never be a "great batsman" even with an average above 50, so contribute big runs to the team or retire gracefully. Congratulations to India for a well deserved victory. WI, wheel and come again. Sammy your place is getting very shaky.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

Lillianthompson : if Chappell played 200 matches in 24 years his avg would have been 40.

Posted by Cricketfan11111 on (November 8, 2013, 11:19 GMT)

Middle stump after middle stump knocked over. What a sight. India has got its own Waqar. Fantastic individual performances from Ashwin, Shami and Rohit. Anyone of them could've been MOM. Exciting test match. Pity it ended in three days. Hope WI give a better fight next match.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:19 GMT)

What a display by a Bengal tiger

Posted by Vijyes on (November 8, 2013, 11:17 GMT)

I can't believe it. Ashwin scored 124 + 5 wickets while Rohit scored only 177 runs and no wickets. Obviously the value of a wicket is more than 10 runs at least. Ashwin must have been the player of the match logically. Anyways, just happy that a test match ended quickly

Posted by Inspector_Clouseau on (November 8, 2013, 11:13 GMT)

Shami should have been the MoM. If I was asked to take just one memory from this game, it would be reverse swing and timber flying.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:12 GMT)

normally in indian condition, in test matches either the indian batsman bat out the opposition or its the spinners who creates havoc in the opposition team and bowl them out to win test matches for india and either way its true but its really heartwarming and encouraging to see a fast bowler rattle the opposition and win the game. true the batsman also played their part but thats expected of them while playing in india and same with the spinners. fast bowlers were there only to make up the numbers in the past and combined they would bowl something among 15 to 20 overs in an innings max. thankfully sense prevailed in dhon's mind to leave out ishant and hand a debut to md shami. i am sure if ishant was there the match would have gone on till the 5th day resulting in a draw or wi win because he is completely inapt devoid of wicket taking ability or any intelligence or skills to take a wicket unless the batsman gifts his wicket. thankfully he will be kept out of playing XI in the future ..

Posted by binu.emiliya on (November 8, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

Why people are jealous towards India ? Now a fast bowler doing good for India they are saying he will fade away, when india won by an innings they are saying WI is week team and even some people commenting the pitch is a dustbowl !

Posted by jaijay_04 on (November 8, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

really i wondering,why they are avoiding bowlers, Real mam of the match should give to Mohameed sami... worst judgement

Posted by maddy20 on (November 8, 2013, 11:06 GMT)

@Bill Pollock After watching the ashes, I have lost what little faith I had in DRS, be it the incompetent umpires unable to use it or hotspot unable to spot faint edges, not to mention the limitations of ball tracking technology. It is 100% flawed. If they can get atleast 1 of the 2 technologies to work properly, I will jump onboard.

Posted by screamingeagle on (November 8, 2013, 11:06 GMT)

@vvbr, many thanks for your pearls of wisdom, see you again. bye.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 8, 2013, 11:05 GMT)

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 8, 2013, 10:45 GMT): There is no qualification criteria for LilianThomson "All time Top 20 list". Vinod Kambli ranks higher than Sachin in there. Lol. Hilarious

Posted by napster96 on (November 8, 2013, 11:05 GMT)

@ LillianThomson Who cares whether makes into top 20 or not on all time avg. list. He is already the god of cricket.

Posted by screamingeagle on (November 8, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

@LillianThompson, his average staying below the GC from Aus does not make Tendulkar a lesser player. For someone who doesnt like Tendulkar, you seem to be making a lot of calculations with his avg. Anyway, Chappel was nothing great, a few good knocks and that's all. I do not really rate him, nor do I like the way he plays. Before you start screaming about how good he is, let me say that it is just my opinion, I just do not see anything great in the guy.

Posted by delboy on (November 8, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

Well anyone who expected a different result does not understand this game. Ramdin needs a break; Simmons should be given the gloves and his batting position ala he could be the new Jeff Dujon. Starting with Best as the leading strike bowler and Chris Gayle stuck in T20 mode says it all. A test team MUST be able to bat in excess of 60 overs. India's number 8 batsman outscored the aggregate of the WI top 4?

Posted by maddy20 on (November 8, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

Did you forget 3-0 in Abudhabi and 2-0 at home by SA, that too despite of importing Saffas through ECB's Capetown branch! Funny that you talk about travelling, despite of winning 1 series in India in the last 30 years!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 11:02 GMT)

The second time in two tours West Indies played India at the Eden and suffered an Innings defeat. Well done Team India especially the Debutants Rohit Sharma and Mohammed Shami who took the game away from the Windies right under their nose. If Shami can keep up this tempo, it is going to be a mixture of tango and bhangra in South Africa.

Posted by Vivfan on (November 8, 2013, 10:59 GMT)

Chanderpaul use a bit of common sense, your team mates are struggling at the top of the order. What should you do? Move up to 3.

I have always been a fan of Ashwin, today is the day I will label him as a brilliant all rounder.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:58 GMT)

4. Opening batting is also a concern. It has been ages since they have set any decent platform for the middle order to come and deliver.. 5. Get in Sarwan. He is too good not to play in Tests. He can be the next SHIV for next 4-5 years..Have faith in him. 6. WI should never go with 2 spinners .. This is not their strength..3 good fast bowlers..1 spinner and 1 all rounder (not Sammy).. I hope some one from WICB will pay attention to my comments.. Go Windies Go.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Absolutely ridiculous decision for Man of the Match. It should have been R Ashwin - the guy scored a century on a tricky wicket and took 5 wickets. Those 5 wickets value much more than the tad 50 odd runs Rohit Sharma scored more than Ashwin. Mohammad Shami also equally deserved the MoM.

Posted by TheShoebKhan on (November 8, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Sachin Tendulkar will be under great pressure to deliver in his final match at him home turf as he could score only 10 runs in his penultimate match. Nothing less than a hundred will be acceptable to his fans. Hope he scores atleast 153 runs in his last test as that would take him past 16000 runs in test cricket! It would be great if he does that and bows out on a high!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

I am an Indian but I really wanted WI to put up a decent fight. They have been doing good in the shorter formats but they still need to go a long way in Tests. 1. The batsmen don't want to spend time on the crease. They need to select batsmen with right temperament for Test Cricket rather than just promoting the good ones from T20s and ODIs as Test cricket is totally different ball game all together. 2. I don't know what Darren Sammy is doing in Test Squad. He will not even get a place in Ireland Test 11. No doubt he should lead in shorter formats but Test cricket ..No! 3. I hoped when Dinesh Ramdin pulled out the famous note from his pocket coming hard on great VIV in England last year that he will start delivering now. But really its high time WI should invest in grooming a new WK Batsmen right from scratch. Just pick up a young talented bloke and get him ready for the next WC..

Posted by taslu613 on (November 8, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

I think west indians are here to attend the farewell party of Sachin Tendulkar.They dont have any plan or they havent done any home work regarding these matches. They are like a boad without a rudder otherwise they would not let slip the match from their hand.India played well. They are playing superb cricket for last six months .But specifically in this match,WI got the chance to come back into the game,they fail to grab the opportunities.Chris Gayle was very disappointing.He knew the indian conditions better than anybody else, but looked like he is new comer here.He threw his wicket away in both innings as if he is playing T20 match.West Indians are playing very bad cricket in spite of being talented bridge.I wanted a competitive match.WI disappoints their fans.I hope they will play a better cricket in next match. At least they put a good fight.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 8, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

Fast bowlers in India need encouragement. Como'n give man of the match to shami along with rohit!

Posted by landofcricket on (November 8, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

@ lillian thomson i have no idea why people like u comparing a man who gonna play 200th match next week with one who could not complete even 100 matches...

Posted by ajmal_Ayub2003 on (November 8, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

I am pretty sure Shami will also joins the ex-Indian fast bowlers trend/footpath, will start buoyant and will be nowhere in few months. Note my words CRICINFO. But will get some some adds to act in, for sure, lollzzzz. Anyways, good luck to him.

Posted by cvenka on (November 8, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

Can anybody explain how the MOM is selected? I thought it was a good all round performance by ashwin who was selected only as a bowler. His century was a bonus & without which India would not have survived day 2. Additionally he chipped in with 5 wickets. If he is not MOM then some thing is wrong with the system. By this, I am not taking away any credit from Rohit. But my simple logic is he is selected as a batsmen & donw what was expected of him unlike ashwin who is a bowler cracked a century giving india a sizeable lead,

Posted by manu566 on (November 8, 2013, 10:54 GMT)

WI seems to be heading no where in tests, why kirk edwards was not played and fast bowlers were indisciplined. They seems to have problems both in bowling & batting.

Posted by NP_NY on (November 8, 2013, 10:53 GMT)

Can't explain what a relief it is to see an Indian fast bowler perform so well in a test match in India. Shami was just awesome! He will be a force to reckon with in SA for sure. Just hope Zaheer will be picked too. Between Zaheer, Shami and Umesh they can be a handful in bowler friendly conditions. I dare say, they will be comparable to the SA pace attack.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:53 GMT)

@lillianthompson do u really think we care if sachin scores a 0 in final. no we dont we indians have been all but inspired by him. he bought so much cheers and emotions to us which no body can.

@enjoy sachin 1 last time. we will miss u forever

Posted by Sugath on (November 8, 2013, 10:52 GMT)

Typical spineless performance by West Indies. They on their own maneuvered a winning position to an innings loss. The turning point was the interference of skipper when he came to bowl his up and down stuff at a time when other bowlers had taken a strangle hold on Indian batting. May be through parochial interests he came to bowl expecting some wickets. The skipper must lead from front, but sadly Sammy did not do that and the whole team paid the price. Gayle was guilty of sheer arrogance in the second innings. Overall poor show except Shillinford and Permaul. The coach has to instill confidence in the team and get skipper to lead from front. India thanks to Sharma wriggled out of a bad situation helped by insipid tactical thinking of Windies.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:52 GMT)

Kudos India. You have juggernauted the weakest ever batting line up of Windies. Even on bowling except for Shillingford and Permaul, there was no teeth. It seems the same old story for the windies and so much hyped Sachin's 199th Test flopped on many aspects, though cricket lovers could enjoy this as a continuous 3 day ODI. :P

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:51 GMT)

A very nice way to end a test match by Shami taking 5 wickets. Most of them bowled. A top class performance by Rohit, Ashwin and Shami. Healthy partnership between Rohit and Dhoni to develop Indian innings. 5 days match completed in 2.5 days!! No one like Ricking Ponting to complaint about the pitch :-) A very good performance by Team India. Wished to watch Sachin batting. Never the less, we should see him batting next match for the last time. -Muki

Posted by British_North_America on (November 8, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

India can play this West Indies again and again but cannot against their neighbor Bangladesh.Still Indian fans think that Bangladeshi fans should support and love Indian cricket.You helped us in liberation war does not mean that you are our friends in every sector.And the critics, just consider Bangladesh in place of West Indies.Bangladesh could not do worse than this but even a better performance would want the test status to be hung.

Posted by throughthelense on (November 8, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

As you sow so shall you reap. By inviting West Indies, the BCCI wanted to give Sachin a grand farewell.With the match finishing in three days, the two other two days can be utilised for the farewell. LoL.

Sammy, Gayle, Best, Ramdin, Perumal should be axed if West Indies are to make a match of it in Mumbai.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

very very poor decision by commentators not to give shami mom

a hundred on debut is common thing and u will see it many times.but a indian fast bowler getting 9 wicket in a placid pitch by completely using his skill a rare sight

bad luck shami @everything for batsmen

Posted by baskar_guha on (November 8, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

Rohit Sharma and Ashwin's partnership was the difference in the match. The West Indian bowling, but for Shillingford, is not good enough. Unless they can find another strike bowler, they will struggle to win test matches. The only thing that can stop India from winning in Mumbai is complacency.

Posted by Sinjini on (November 8, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

@ LillianThomson if GOD was playing for Aus he would have greater than Sir DON ( You are comparing his avg with Greg Chap thats funny) or any other country he would have been all time great great player. I can understand frustration of yours... Anyway as @sachinisawesome says we dont care about your stat and numbers............

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

I think Ashwani should be the man of the match with 120+ runs and 5 wickets in the match but his performance is showing against Rohit and Shami

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:47 GMT)

but for umpire long, the match would have gone longer. he made at least 5 wrong decisions. very profligate with LBWs.WI might have still lost by an innings but game would have gone to 4th day for sure.

Posted by strokemaker11 on (November 8, 2013, 10:45 GMT)

Mohammad Shami should have been the man of the match. Bowlers are the ones that win test matches. I've never seen bowlers getting man of the match.There is no motivation for anyone to become a bowler with harsh rules and no recognition.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:45 GMT)

I love Cricket a lotttttttt. That's why I can't stop my tears in Tendulkars farewell. I will miss u in cricket world till my last day in this world. Good Bye from Kolkata Sir Shachin Tendulkar.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 8, 2013, 10:45 GMT)

@LillianThomson So you are back again with your usual Avg obsession. Did you notice chanderpaul remained not out today which is one way to boost your average despite not adding any value.

I have not even bothered to check that top 20 average list that you keep mentioning. Shikar Dhawan is better than Don Bradman or any batsman.

And you ever gave the thought what could have happened had Bradman played 200 tests? Sure it wont be avg of 99. So give over your Avg theory and have some peace of mind.

Posted by Chona on (November 8, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

Ashwin 97 wickets in 17 tests...Amazing tally.... but so far he has only played 3 tests abroad taking 9 wickets at average of "62" and 14 tests played at home taking 88 wickets at almost "24"...... so let us see what he does vs SA in SA... one more thing Ashwin debuted in 2011 and in 2 years he has only played 3 tests abroad....BCCI should give him more tests abroad so that he can prove himself abroad as well...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:41 GMT)

Great bowling by shami

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:39 GMT)

Why does the WI cricket board spend huge sums of money to send such a bunch of irresponsible and undisciplined [look at the shots played by some of their so-called senior batsmen - especially in the 1st innings] cricketers abroad? Where is the contest? As a cricket lover I am quite disappointed!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:38 GMT)

congo team INDIA......!!!!!!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:35 GMT)

If fast, green and bouncy pitches are allowed in cricket then why not dusty, slow and spinning pitches?

Posted by Stevros3 on (November 8, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

@LillianThompson

Unfortunatley Chappell was only able to retain his place for less than half the matches Tendulkar played, if you only allow the 87 thest stint Tendulkar during his peak had a much higher average, unfortunatley for Chappell outside his peak his form wasn't even good enough to reach the ton in matches played wheras Tendulkar is nearing his double ton...

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:31 GMT)

Westindies Batting order is weak. Top 5 Batsman only responisbile, But Batting order can be changed the next match.

2nd Test MAtch possible players.

opening batsman- powell and kirk Edwards 1st down - Bravo 2nd Down -samuels 3rd Down - chris gayle 4th down - chanderpaul 5th down - chadwick walton 6th down -Sammy 7th Down - shilling ford 8th down - Roach 9th Down - perumal

bowling option Roach, Sammy, Shillingford, Perumal, Samuels, Gayle

sachin 200 th match Vs chanderpaul 150 th match

Very important match for those players.

Westindies team selectors can be considered my opinion

Posted by CricketFirstLove on (November 8, 2013, 10:29 GMT)

Oh God how many good performances! Rohit Sharma, Ashwin what great innings. But the debutant Mohammed Shami was most impressive. The boy took the chances with both hands. Congrats Shami keep up the good work and keep knocking off the middle stumps as you have done.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:26 GMT)

I think Chris Gayle should bat in the middle order. The way he has been vulnerabe against Bhuvneshwar Kumar with the new ball early innings has certainly put a lot of pressure on him and on the top order as well. batting in the middle order would give him a better chance to score with the softer ball and against the spin without being under pressure.

Posted by Flairboy80 on (November 8, 2013, 10:26 GMT)

I pity Shivnarine Chanderpaul.. he is looked up to anchor the ship but runs out of partners at the other end and the ship sinks more often!! WI should promote him at the top. In the process of running out of partners, he would get an opportunity to score more every time

Disappointment for all the SRT fans, with the match wrapped under 3 days and just 1 Indian innings. Can we expect play for full 5 days at Wankhede?

Posted by Philippe on (November 8, 2013, 10:26 GMT)

@ LillianThomson dude... grow up. I am british & watching cricket over last 25 years. there is nobody like tendulkar with whom ppl feel connected. Probably the most loved cricketer without any borders & boundaries. grow up mate grow up.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:23 GMT)

Take a Bow....WASIM AKRAM ...Sultan of swing for making SHAMI such a good bowler...

Posted by sachinisawesome on (November 8, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

@ LillianThomson Answer to your attempt to demean Sachin is very simple. NOBODY CARES.

Posted by cvenka on (November 8, 2013, 10:12 GMT)

Congrats INDIA! well done for a fine victory fashioned by the two debutants & also by excellent allround performance by Ashwin. India is reiterating why they are no 3 in the ranking & inching towards no 2. Hope they will regain the no 1 status if their form suggests anything!

Posted by vvbr on (November 8, 2013, 10:11 GMT)

Thus starts the famous Indian glorification, sanctification based on one match of Shami the FAST BOWLER THAT INDIA EVER DREAMT OF!!! I am sure these words were used for Umesh Yadav, Ishanth Sharma!.. Please don't jump to conclusions, yet! Indians are known for confusing love of game with the players who play well!!!!

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:09 GMT)

shami 5 what a debut. awesome inswingers

Posted by vvbr on (November 8, 2013, 10:07 GMT)

Man of the Match.. easily R. Ashwin for all round performance. 3 + 2 wickets and a century.. and enabling to build a huge score.. and taking out openers. But, rohit sharma is again starting to contend for Man of the series. Shami definitely requires a round of applause. But Ashwin exceeded expectations, if not for his 100, India would have to bat again. Thus, more brownie points and he deserves man of the match.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 10:06 GMT)

pak need to give chance to abdul razaq and if you r not giving the to chance to s maqsood why the selecters select him please we r requesting not to joke any more with talented players and the public of Pakistan

Posted by Cricdew on (November 8, 2013, 10:04 GMT)

@Barry.....so according to your anology name the team who travel well apart from South Africa..Don't say England.....they are worst...Now you will mention 2-1 win over India in India...Then I would like to remind you 2007 1-0 drubbing by India to your POMS

Posted by LillianThomson on (November 8, 2013, 9:58 GMT)

The likely innings victory makes Tendulkar's task in his final Test clearer.

We all now that by failing to score 4 in his final innings Bradman saw his career average fall below 100.00.

Tendulkar now faces a huge struggle to reach a much lower milestone. To break back into the All-Time Top Twenty he needs to either score at least 151 runs in 2 dismissed innings or 97 in 1 dismissed innings.

Irony of ironies, if he fails to achieve that he will forever remain below ..........Greg Chappell in the all-time rankings.

Posted by bhadra on (November 8, 2013, 9:53 GMT)

Indian has long been waiting to see a Bowler who can clean up the tail-enders with Yorkers or genuine Reverse swing. And they have found one in Shami. He keeps things simple. Head still, pitches in consistently in good areas. Something to learn for Ishant Sharma. Hope he leaves up to the expectations.

Posted by Naresh28 on (November 8, 2013, 9:50 GMT)

The end is near for WI in this match(157/8). What a great bowler Shami is turning out to be.At the end of day we all want to see a Sachin innings, but its the team effort that is great to see. A win for Sachin in this series would be great. For me a TEAM WIN is much more satisfying. Sachin can now go out knowing the team did this just for him.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 9:41 GMT)

Oh dear The Windies are so poor- Shami looks useful though. Typical Indian poor low slow pitch. But then, that's what you expect out there. That's why the Indians don't travel well

Posted by La_Gringo on (November 8, 2013, 9:40 GMT)

What I don't understand is, having a shaky middle order, why doesn't Chanderpaul play up the order?

Posted by Rohit... on (November 8, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

Some people are blaming WI selectors for spoiling the team... But frankly speaking, the problem lies in the fans who idolize Gayle more than Chanderpaul... Since children want to grow up like Gayle then perhaps there will be only big hitters in Future WI squad... And that team will not win Tests for them... Selectors were criticized heavilly when they left out Gayle earlier and the team was performing well... Now when Gayle is there, the Selectors were being bashed up for team's poor performance... If the a single No. 6 player is to make such an impact what were the others for?

Posted by HDG1978 on (November 8, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

Thanks Anthony for appreciating Ind-WI Test match. Though the days of Oz dominance in Test cricket are over, Aus has some quality upcoming youngsters in Maddinson, Finch, Lyon and Faulkner. Bailey and Maxwell too were superb in India. Aus selectors should give chances to these youngsters and build Oz team for future. The faltering England of the 90s was what I always liked to watch.Hope the recent upswing in English cricket turns around from the upcoming Ashes and Aus win back the urn at home and the Poms go back empty-handed. Good luck Australia.

Posted by Vaishak13 on (November 8, 2013, 9:28 GMT)

As Sachin is about to retire , a player goes who has managed to put a smile on almost every indians heart,everytime..he may not hav been the most consistent,even by a distance in d last few years..but he still had that charm to make most ,if not all Indians, stop everything they did to watch him ...some players have that charm,and they weren't always the most consistent...Ponting,for all the runs he scored, didnt, but never won hearts d way a Steve Waugh,Warnie,Gilchrist or Brett Lee did..Kallis ,the most consistent player by a mile, someone i respect a lot, didnt, but a Lance Klusner did..Andrew Flintoff did..they weren't all necessarily big hitters,but certain players like Steve Waugh had something which made u love them...When Sachin goes, i hope Indian and international cricket brings out more such players,who not just take wickets and score tons, but who put a big smile on u face, who make u get off the couch when they get out ..

Posted by runout49 on (November 8, 2013, 9:27 GMT)

Bradman Test matches 52 Runs scored 6,996 Tendulkar Test matches 199 Runs scored 15,847 Say no more.

Posted by La_Gringo on (November 8, 2013, 9:05 GMT)

Great effort by the Indian bowlers here at Eden Gardens. They have truly found a gem in Shami

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 9:02 GMT)

The West Indies Selectors are destroying West Indies cricket. The Indian Batting lineup is far stronger than the WI , yet the WI chose to play 5 specialist batsmen while India has five. Then what is Daren Sammy Role in the team apart from being captain. It would have been better to drop him and Play another specialist bowler and maybe India would not have gotten so much runs or maybe play a real all-rounder in his place and maybe India would not have gotten such a big score

Posted by Karunk on (November 8, 2013, 8:41 GMT)

@ Suman Gadhok - Any comments on Samuels LBW decision!! Llong gave it. Without DRS (blame BCCI), both teams will benefit or suffer from marginal & close decisions. It is a game. (Might not have remained as gentleman's game)

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 8:35 GMT)

@Kashi0127. So, cricket is not to be taken seriously like Olympics or Football? So what the heck are you doing on this page.

Posted by ramli on (November 8, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

Sachin dismissal ... It looked not-out on TV replay ... now that is also based on subjective visual judgment ... on-field umpire trusted his own visual judgment ... in absence of DRS (with all comedy of errors inbuilt) why waste time on a dismissal ... Sachin has been handed over many such decisions in his career ... nothing new ... go on and try getting some runs in Mumbai

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 8:20 GMT)

Rohits entry so late,why?

Posted by cricketsubh on (November 8, 2013, 7:59 GMT)

anthonymd are u jocking u watch ind vs w.l over ashes .aus got very gud young players like madison .burns .doolen .farguson .marsh but problem is aus seceltor not picking them yes india got gud young players aus also have gud young players aus need to pick them .indian batsmen need to score oversea donot forget that scoring runs in indian pitches is not hard.

Posted by AltafPatel on (November 8, 2013, 7:38 GMT)

Its still 2 days and half past. So WI still have good chance to comeback and to be even in winning the game. If they score 450-500, and spinners get wickets same as first innings, the game may transformed.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 7:29 GMT)

Llong was bold. Such was the hysteria that an umpire needed a lot of character to take that decision, whether right or wrong. And it was close, after all.

Posted by Kashi0127 on (November 8, 2013, 7:22 GMT)

@Suman Gadhok Get a Life... this is just cricket a sport played by handful of nations. It is not as if Olympics or football and umpires any event after all all humans and not robots DRS) not to err!

Posted by AnthonyMD on (November 8, 2013, 7:01 GMT)

As an Australian, I have very much enjoyed watching this Test Match. Indian supporters should feel very proud, you have the nucleus of a talented and very exciting side, have always been impressed by Virat Kohli although he has not done much this test and what a pleasure watching Shami and Ashwin go about it with bat and ball. With all the hype in Australia about the upcoming Ashes between an extremely ordinary Australian side and a decent albeit boring English side, it is good to sit back and watch some really good cricket played by some fresh faces between India and West Indies.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 6:59 GMT)

Unfortunate that Sachin was given out LBW by umpire Llong when the ball was going over the stumps. However, Sachin was very nearly out before he got a run - would never know if the earlier LBW decision was close. The point I am trying to make is DRS is the way to go even if India does not like it. Today, Rohit Sharma seems to have lost a chance to score a double century because of a debatable umpiring decision. Its time we start making the right decisions!

Posted by Karunk on (November 8, 2013, 6:27 GMT)

If BCCI feels that 'DRS is not foll proof' and not keen on using the technology, fine!! Accept the umpires decisions and move on. No umpire is keen on giving Sachin out when he is playing 199th test and in India. In split second, he felt that ball was going to hit the stumps and he gave him out. If WI put up a big score, Sachin has a chance to bat in the second innings. Wait for it.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 6:26 GMT)

I think, rather than wasting time whining here, the Indian fans will be well advised to twist their boards' arm on the DRS issue.

Posted by Vijyes on (November 8, 2013, 6:26 GMT)

@subnys, DRS is not foolproof. It is just better than the existing technology. Just like an ambassador car is better than bullock cart, but as time passes more and more better cars come into market. Similarly, DRS is better than the current system. But many more improvements can be done. Hotspot has flaws as if some one puts silicon on their bat, even outs will appear not outs. But, hawk eye, soundmeter etc are better than human umpiring

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 6:09 GMT)

In all there were four 50-50 decisions. they all went against India.Coincidence? You got to be kidding!

Posted by subnys on (November 8, 2013, 6:07 GMT)

@ Subodh.Yeole119: I agree with your point of view.

But I feel even if BCCI has a point in saying that "DRS is not fool proof" (as proved in June Ashes 2013), howlers like these can certainly be challenged.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 6:00 GMT)

The umpires have only one quick look as these things happen. They make their decisions based on what they see. Since the BCCI did not want to use DRS, then there is no way that anyone can complain about the decisions. It all comes a cross as a pack of whingers.

Posted by Karunk on (November 8, 2013, 5:52 GMT)

It is the decision of our captain (including Sachin) & BCCI not to use DRS & technology. So don't keep blaming umpires for close decisions..

Posted by Subodh.yeole119 on (November 8, 2013, 5:50 GMT)

I think umpires are giving wrong decisions against India just to force the BCCI to approve DRS!! Really ridiculous decisions!

Posted by Karunk on (November 8, 2013, 5:49 GMT)

Both decisions (Tendulkar & Rohit) have been very close. Could have gone either way. Umpires had few seconds to judge whether ball is going above stumps or hitting out side the off stump. Yes! both went in favour of bowlers. No need to blame umpires. It happens.

Posted by   on (November 8, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

I think both the umpires are competing with each other in terms of who can make more mistakes.

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