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West Indies looked drunk on T20 during Tests - Lloyd

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November 19, 2013

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Darren Sammy had no reply to Mohammed Shami's pace and swing, India v West Indies, 1st Test, Kolkata, 3rd day, November 8, 2013
The selectors need to consider Darren Sammy's future in the West Indies Test team, says Clive Lloyd © BCCI
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Darren Sammy's West Indies "looked drunk" on too much Twenty20 cricket during their 2-0 Test series defeat to India. That is the critical opinion expressed by Clive Lloyd, the former West Indies captain, who led the most dominating Test team of all times in mid-1970s and 80s.

Before coming to India, West Indies had won six Tests, against opponents ranked below them in the ICC Test rankings. However, they participated in one of the most one-sided contests as West Indies lost both in Kolkata and Mumbai inside three days, suffering humiliating innings defeats.

Lloyd, asked whether the defeat was due to a Twenty20 hangover, was emphatic in his response. "T20 hangover? I think they looked drunk," he told The Indian Express at an event in Pune on Monday. "I personally believe that T20 is something that brings people to the game, brings money to players and if it's doing that then you have to stick with it. However, a diet of too much T20 can be very harmful. I believe T20 is an exhibition while Test cricket is an examination. If you can separate them, then it is absolutely fine. However, I don't want the first thing that young players want to learn is to hit the ball out of the ground. Proper technique and the vital rudiments of the game are very important," Lloyd said.

According to Lloyd the balance of the squad, a weak bowling attack and the inability of batsmen to adapt from shorter formats to Tests were the areas West Indies need to improve on. "It has been a deeply disappointing tour. The team needs to have a hard look at itself and they have a lot of work to do," he said.

During their four innings, not once did West Indies play 100 overs. The closest was the 78.2 overs in the first innings at Eden Gardens. Only two batsmen managed to score fifties. Throughout the series, Chris Gayle, Kieran Powell, Darren Bravo, Marlon Samuels and Sammy, all went for attacking shots before settling in.

"I think and I hope that the West Indian batsmen have learned their lessons after watching how the Indian batsmen went about their business," Lloyd said. "The Indians can play aggressive ODI cricket but they can also transform into Test players, show restraint and bat for long periods.

"You simply cannot play some of the shots that a few of the (West Indian) batsmen played. The batting unit is pretty young, but these young batters need to learn how to apply themselves in a Test-match situation," he said.

As much as he blamed the batsmen, Lloyd also pointed to the lack of good fast bowlers as another big reason West Indies failed to rally back. "In the first Test when we had them at 120 odd for five, we really missed quality bowlers. We were short on penetrative bowling. I believe that any side you choose, be it ODI or Test, it needs to have balance. Sadly, there is no visible balance in this side," Lloyd said.

And that is where Lloyd felt West Indies selectors have the onerous task of figuring out what to do with Sammy. The West Indies captain made a total of 25 runs in the four innings and went wicketless, forcing questions to be asked of his role as an allrounder in the team.

"Sammy as a captain has brought the guys together. They are definitely looking a better bunch under his leadership. But now, I think people are taking a look at the balance of the side. I believe that when a team is losing, the captain is the first person to be blamed. However, having said that, he (Sammy) needs to take a look at himself, put his hand up and the selectors need to take a decision on his future," Lloyd said.

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Posted by roook on (November 23, 2013, 19:37 GMT)

Test cricket requires much more talent and temperament. West Indies have not played real test cricket for a long time. They have avoided home test series against Pakistan in favor of ODI series and T20. It is responsibility of board to give them enough test cricket and give them exposure and sort our right players. Test cricket require specialist batsman what west indies have bunch of allrounders and individual performances. West Indies are playing Test Cricket like T20 and finishing 5 day game under 2 and half day. I fear test cricket will be left to only four nations if two effort is put in place by ICC and respective boards.

Posted by inot on (November 23, 2013, 17:36 GMT)

Sammy and Gibson have no leadership credentials. Both are wannabe test cricketers. Gibson hardly played any test cricket and Sammy played all of his by default. They are both clueless when it comes to test cricket.The 5 batsmen strategy in the first test is a good example. Did they really believe they can compete with India in the first test of the series with Ramdin at 6 and Dhoni and Ashwin at 7 and 8? Secondly, Sammy as captian continues to deprive the team of a specialist batsman or bowler or an allrounder like Deonarine. As a captain his strategy is to let Shilingford bowl a million overs and hope. When India were 89 for6 and in trouble against spin, Permaul only got the ball 2 overs before lunch. Looks like a strategy by Sammy to put his competitors in a position to fail. Remember how Deonarine bowled against Austrailia on those rare occasions when he was given the ball? Like Bishoo, Deonarine and Permaul will be victims of Sammy's self interest to protect himself and Shillingfo

Posted by SL-USA-Lions on (November 23, 2013, 15:10 GMT)

@ Everyone:

How much more humiliating can the current situation of WI Cricket get with all that's happening with the tour of India? (Performance, suspicious bowling, fitness)

For anyone who has read my previous posts on different reports, articles and blogs published in Cricinfo would know how much passionate I am about WI cricket.

Where are the BOWLERS? Batting is there: needs some good guidance by some past Legends. Fielding can improve too.

But the most important thing are PASSION, MENTAL TOUGHNESS, PATRIOTISM, WORK ETHIC, INTEGRITY & FIGHTING SPIRIT.

Without the aforementioned qualities WI cricket can't get no where.

Coaching, team management and selection committees need to be changed and upgraded. I've had enough with THAT ASPECT.

I'm a simple fan. So will these ever get implemented?

I'm not sure. But I will go on supporting WI HOPING FOR A CHANGE.

WI FANS AND GENERAL PUBLIC HAS SUFFERED ENOUGH IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE WORLD!!!

I'm not from WI. But I'm a TRUE FAN. PERIOD.

Posted by   on (November 21, 2013, 5:35 GMT)

Gayle not scoring it is Sammy fault. Samuels reported again for suspect bowling action, Sammy's fault.Tino Best bowling and acting like my five yrs old again sammy's fault. Darren Bravo underachieving. Sammy's fault.As a matter of fact Sammy should just be a one man team. after all he is expected to do all the batting, fielding and bowling. Where are the self proclaim stars who are under performing deliberately. West Indies in my humble opinion, although may not be popular should have stuck with their replacement team when the senior players went rogue. Everybody has poor series. This was Sammy"s poorest. But since Gayle has returned to west indies cricket how many scores has he made as a batsman. Stop blaming Sammy and ask the players on the field to do their damn jobs. They are being paid handsomely.

Posted by   on (November 21, 2013, 2:05 GMT)

Peter, you are right. If not Sammy, then who? That is the question that no one can answer, right now. A specialist captain will have to do until then.

Posted by rayinto on (November 20, 2013, 15:54 GMT)

Windies need a real batsman at #3 - Bring back Sarwan!

Posted by   on (November 20, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

WELL SAID MR. LLOYD. Now the world know how the true lovers of WI cricket feel . The President must summons Selectors and take a serious look at the "foolishness" the continue to dish out and put on the field of play . TIME FOR SOME ACTION.

Posted by humi_cric on (November 20, 2013, 10:05 GMT)

Darren Sammy, not a test match bowler and batsman, and he is the captain of the side, what a joke. Sammy is only good for T20, may be.

Posted by cricketstats on (November 20, 2013, 8:21 GMT)

West Indies cricket is at the crossroad and what is needed is the people with the competency and skill to propel forward.The selectors and the captain must be replaced.the West Indies cricket board must get their act together and start to manage our cricket or resign and elect a new team for the job.Many respondence are attacking Ramdin.Since his return to test cricket in 2012 his batting is very consistent.Tests 11, Inns 16, N O 4, Runs 561,100's 2, 50's 3, Ave. 46.8,Catches 30,Stp. 2.He is also the best gloveman in the West Indies and is acclaimed as a top class wicket keeper in world cricket.Compare the other wicketkeepers for the same period. Prior ENG 25/40/7/1274/1/8/38.6/63/7; Dhoni IND14/21/4/819/1/5/48.2/26/9;Haddin AUS 9/15/3/310/0/2/26.9/44/0;Wade AUS 12/22/4/623/2/3/34.6/33/3;DeVilas SA 13/20/1180/4/4/65.6/47/1;Waltings NZ 10/16/2/585/2/4/41.8/27/0;Jayawardene SL 9/12/1/306/0/1/23.5/16/6;Rahim BAN 8/13/0/651/1/4/50.1/19/1;Akmal PAK 11/18/5/347/0/2/23.1/27/6.

Posted by bajan0123 on (November 20, 2013, 6:18 GMT)

The WI selectors are either blind or don't care about winning. To win they must pick a team with the best players in the Caribbean who are performing. Players should not retain a place in the side when they are failing. Kirk Edwards played nine test matches and have an average of 39.11 with two centuries and four fifties. He failed in two test matches in England and was dropped. Those of you who have mentioned names like Barath, Fletcher, Pollard, Deonarine, simmons and Thomas need to really take a good look at they performances in first class cricket and test. They are not going to help the WI test team. Barath played 15 test and averaged 23.46, Simmons played 8 test with an average of 17.37, and Deonarine played 15 test with an average of 27.68. So why are they being mention, i would like to know the reasoning behind it. The WI team need a #3 batsman because Bravo and Samuel cannot get the job done at that position.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 20, 2013, 5:22 GMT)

Unfortunately lot of street players have given test caps in west indies.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2013, 1:43 GMT)

Personally, I think the problem with West Indies is their leadership because they have lots of talent. They have Gayle, who is just amazing and a HUGE THREAT in T20, Bravo, an amazing batsmen, Samuels, plenty of skill, Narine, one of the most deadliest bowlers, and the main one Shillingford, one of the only bowlers I've seen actually struggling SACHIN TENDULKAR at SPIN BOWLING, AMAZING!! Now, I think Chanderpaul should be the West Indies captain because I think, what West Indies needs is a captain who has loads of experience playing Test Cricket and who now's how to handle difficult pressure under tough conditions. I also think West Indies should let Sammy go for a while until he gets his head straight because he has not been in form for a while in batting and bowling. I also think Gayle should take over as captain in the other game formats because he has showed excellent discipline and leadership in the past few years. Plus, he is also really good with the guys!

Posted by lugujaga on (November 20, 2013, 1:41 GMT)

Why do we have a coach.It seems like the players are not coachable or the coach is no good. Something have to give right now.The W.I. selectors have already proven that they have no idiea how to select a balanced team, that is capable of playing good test crickiet, never mind winning.They need to shift Gayle and Chanderpaul in the line up.Chanders at#3 and Gayle at #5.Gibson should be sacked .Sammy,Best and Ramdin should be replaced. Bring in Kirk Edwards,Ashley Nurse Narine, Bravo and Flecher/Carter.I backed the West Indies losing, long enough and if the selectors keep getting the team wrong I will start to root agaisnt them.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2013, 0:29 GMT)

I think West Indies need to work on their mental game. We all know what Gayle is capable of, what Chanderpaul is capable of, and Samuels and Darren Bravo also. These four are some of the best players in the world, and they underperformed really badly. There was no reason for them to fail that badly, except that they each one to the man overestimated their chances at bat. They played loosely against a team called India that doesn't let you get away with they kind of cavalier style. It was like, "we are the West Indies, we can hit winners every time". And they got a rude awakening! Lloyd is right in saying that they do need Narine and Kirk Edwards and Dwayne Bravo. West Indies talent pool is not deep enough to really have a specialist test side seperate from the other formats.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2013, 0:13 GMT)

Clive Lloyd's comments were generally meaningful. However, to angle the conclusion with ostensibly to target Sammy is typical of the attitude of commentators from the so called larger 4 territories against the Windward and Leeward players. On paper, WI had a much more balanced side than India. India's team was heavy on batting. The difference is that no bowler other than Shillingford performed and no batsman (really) performed for the WI indies. No matter who is Captain, no team can win any game of cricket with one bowler only performing. Lara scored more runs than any captain and WI was the whipping boy of all teams in all formats. It was no different under Chanderpaul, Adams and Walsh. Look at the statistics of all the players in the squad; overall, how many of them have better stats than Sammy? Who would you appoint Captain? Back to Gayle or Chanderpaul? Ramdin who is now a basket behind the wicket and needs 12 tests before he can score a 50?

Posted by svg27rivers on (November 19, 2013, 22:35 GMT)

Am very disappointed to see that Sammy did not resign from the captaincy.He along with some of the other senior player are holding the team back.We need a fresh start, let Powell captain the team get rid of the Sammy's the Gayle's the Best's and the Ramdin's let Bravo know that he does not have a free pass and lets start the building from there.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 22:31 GMT)

Team sports today at the higest level is about managing the performance of the team. The coach, the captain, the manager, and support staff ie the management team has to be scrutinized and let go because quite clearly they have not done a good job in managing this team. The management of the team is responsible for preparing the team for competition and they have failed miserably in this case. The West Indies needs new management and management approaches in order to compete effectively and re-discover that uniqueness that gave WI the competitive advantage in the 70's and 80's. The West Indies must aim for sustainable competitive advantage.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 21:28 GMT)

Sammyy Cant make it to WI test team and he is the captain, Drop powell bring in sarwan, drop sammy bring in Dwayne Bravo, Drop Premaul bring in Narine.. Make Bravo the captain..

Posted by InsideHedge on (November 19, 2013, 21:20 GMT)

Ironically, Sammy contributed more with his 5 catches in the recent Mumbai Test than most of his teammates managed in the entire series.

Both the Jamaicans, Gayle and Samuels seemed disinterested, their body language was poor in the field, the lack of encouragement for the bowlers was inconspicuous by its absence. Darren Bravo had a good tour last time, and was outstanding in Bangla so he can be forgiven for a bad outing. Powell doesn't have it to play defining innings in Tests, the fast bowlers on display in this particular series was shockingly poor.

If I was in their camp, I'd want Gayle, Powell, Best, and Ramdin scrapped, they've all had plenty of chances. I'd get rid of Samuels too if I had evidence that he's against Sammy. You'll find Sammy will be a better player when he doesn't have to worry about his back from his own teammates.

In for consideration: Rampaul, Jason Holder, K Edwards, Narine, Dwayne Bravo and even Pollard. Also, Barath is a better bet than Powell.

Posted by InsideHedge on (November 19, 2013, 21:14 GMT)

Someone in the WI hierarchy needs to explain why they went into the 2nd Test with just one front line spinner?

It's true that Narine has not been successful in Tests but he has plenty of experience bowling in Tests, and plenty of knowledge of Eden Gardens which saw the 1st Test. With India struggling at 5 down for not a lot, the whole series could have been different had Narine been around to support Shillingford.

Posted by cricpanther on (November 19, 2013, 21:10 GMT)

haven't seen Mr. Clive Loyed playing cricket but as an administrator, he is not upto the mark and may be many more WI legends serving to WCB are not good enough. Present captain of WI team is another mistake of board!! Because of WI, Tendulkar unable to get chance to bat!! out of 4 times, just two times, he gets chance and Sachin missed the opportunity to get past 16000 magic figure!! May be is this the strategy of West Indies mind?? How valid is to give the statement like this by mr. Loyed, at this level and give excuse??

Posted by InsideHedge on (November 19, 2013, 21:09 GMT)

Even if WI selected their strongest squad, they would struggle against the better teams but it sure doesn't help when you don't even bring your best players! Rampaul, Holder, Dwayne Bravo, Kirk Edwards & Narine should have been there, it's also time to consider Pollard for Tests.

If some of these guys were unfit for the India Test tour, it appears they're OK for the ODI leg. So, why are they suddenly unavailable for the forthcoming NZ tour?

As a NON WI fan, I find it frustrating. I can only imagine what a Windies fan is going thru, esp when you can vividly recall the domination of a recent, successful past.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 19, 2013, 19:34 GMT)

I don't even think WI are that good at T20. They were certainly not the best team in WT20 last year and were lucky to win it (eg Group stage didn't win a match, tied match vs Newzealand). Also they're tied 4th in the rankings. IPL and WT20 has overrated some of their players such as Pollard, Gayle and Dwayne Bravo with damaging consequences for WI cricket.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 18:55 GMT)

Via-Rampersaud Press People, stop call the WI players inexperienced. Bravo, Samuels, Powell, Best, etc have been around for a long time and CANNOT be called inexperienced. Inexperience at test level is Mohammed Shami. They many of you are still hung up on the idea of TALENT. Can any of you tell me what is the talent that you are refering to ? Is it Bravo flamboyant look that you call talent? I submit that the present group has not demonstrated anything that could be identified as talent. Talent involves the ability to THINK. Again and again I say that WI players are demonstrating their inability to think. This is where we are failing. Again I ask what are the qualifications of these leaders and coaches? because they completed a coaching program does not make them coaches. Before any player makes the WI team they must complete at least 5 CXCand for coaches they must have an advanced degree in leadership and management.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 18:42 GMT)

We need to ask ourselves what value is Otrix Gibson is to the team. Since his tenure there has been more turmoil and issues. For example we were willing to keep him as opposed to repair an accomplished and tested Ramnaresh Sarwan. Why would the WI team be in India without one of its most accomplished players to Indian conditions? Talking about test, there should be no argument, even if his form is waning, he should have been in that team.

I totally agree with Lloyd and trust that this situation can be rectified. Sammy is another story. I have not a single problem with his captaincy in terms of player relations and diplomacy. But first a captain needs to inspire through their own performance delivery, its also cultural. When I played school cricket or any other sport and a captain needs to be selected, it was always based on who was felt to be the best player commanding their place in the team who was often given the vote of confidence.

Common Selectors let Otrix and Sammy go!

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

I am NOT quite on the same page with the "Big Cat" on this. Team India effortlessly switched over from T20CL to ODIs against the Aussies and then to Test Matches. I think it is more of application and talent that the WI missed out. Not to mention the many weak links on the team. Such as Gayle, Samuels and Bravo. Gayle needs to decide if he wants to play test cricket at all and frankly, Samuels' play was not upto mark. Agreed one decision was atrocious but other efforts were lacking. Bravo is a big disappointment. For a player with huge talent his development is way behind the Pujaras and the Kolhis who started after him. Sammy's captaincy?? The less said the better. And I shed a bucket of tears watching the fast bowler who goes by the name Best. I have been following WI Cricket since the 70's and this is what is on offer?? Please spare the fans. Technically the WI played with one bowler, a bunch of ragtag misfit batters and a terrible keeper and Captain. Good luck with that Combo.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 17:19 GMT)

Clives on the ball good perspective. Selectors need to have their core players for test and slowly bring in the young talent. Question Kirk Edwards is test material why was he left out? Q2 p Dwayne b why is the board identified as a non test player. Several arise out of this series. But yet the board retains the same team for New Zealand . Are we dumd to incompetence . Look radial changes needed at that level.

Posted by Frayninho21 on (November 19, 2013, 17:19 GMT)

Gayle, Powell, Samuels, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, DJ Bravo, Ramdin, Roach, Rampaul, Narine, Shillingford.

Brathwaite, K Edwards, Deonarine, Walton, Holder, Cottrell.

A good looking squad. Either DJ Bravo or Ramdin as test captain.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 16:53 GMT)

There's no doubt that an element of the failure of this series is due to the majority of players struggling to adjust from the shortest format, to the longest. They both might come under the sport of cricket, but the mindset of the two couldn't be anymore different. But the truth is we can't solely blame this debacle on that alone, the hard truth is that the Windies have been struggling in Test Cricket since the late 90s. There are exceptions during that time like Walsh, Ambrose, Lara and Chanderpaul who are genuine world class players at Test Level. There are others who have shown glimpses of brilliance, but haven't really broken through as consistant performers, over the extent of their careers. We just have to look at the grass-roots level of the standard of our domestic four-day competition and ask questions how we expect young promising players to make that break through of adjustment to top-class, test match cricket performers on varied conditions and different pitches.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 19, 2013, 16:47 GMT)

The 3 Bajans, Kirk Edwrafs who scored a 91 and 100 on India A tour with solid batting, J Carter (who also keeps and is easily the most promising Keeper batsman batting-wise iin the Carribean also scored 100 v India A with good shot selection and the young Brathwaite who has already seen some international cricket as a teenager should all be in the squad they're solid batsman with good technique and potential.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 16:07 GMT)

Having read LLoyd's comments,I am convinced that the former super star has carefully analysed the debacle that led to the 2-0 crash.He has spoken but the truth Our players though some young and lack experience,must learn quickly.Along side them, were also young players,most of whom had played every format of the game, yet their adjustment to test cricket was remarkable, enabling them to win both test under three days.Brian Lara has also called for D Bravo and Narine.I think they are important to the test squad and with Sammy's dismal performance, he should make way for someone else.Gibson also need to call it a day.

Posted by razeez on (November 19, 2013, 16:00 GMT)

As one of Darren Sammy's antagonists as relates to the test captaincy, I still think its unfair that many place the blame solely at his feet. He definitely should not be in the test playing eleven, I think if he's honest with himself even he will admit that. You don't win test matches with a smile and a good attitude. That's a ludicrous platform with which to assign the captain of a test playing nation. However, blame must be placed also at the feet of all the senior batsmen with the exception of Shivnarine Chanderpaul. Chris Gayle, Marlon Samuels, and Darren Bravo need to contribute. I find it ironic how often Chanderpaul is accused of selfishness, when some of the shots that were played by batsmen to get out in the recently concluded series leaves one to wonder what part of that decision making is for the good of the team. There are no quick solutions for West Indies cricket, and their insistence on playing the same playing after a resounding defeat reiterates the lack of ideas.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 15:41 GMT)

I agree with everything that Clive Lloyd said.We do not have the basics.The Structure of cricket in the W.I needs a severe overhauling.I think we need to have the structure for professional cricket so that we cando what others are doing to produce better cricketers.

Posted by Raki99 on (November 19, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

The Problem With west indies is leadership, Sammy is just not a test Material he is 20/20 and a one day guy. Gayle I don't know if he even wants to play any other format than the IPL. Their bowlers are just not good enough and apart from Chanderpaul nobody fits the test batsman role. Now Indians don't need to get carried away by this success. Lets see How we perform in th south Africa.

The same indian crowd is gone again blame the 20/20 if we lose big time in SA.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

The problem with the west indies team is leadership, the leadership from the top especially where it come to the selecting process is very poor. We all seen from the CPLl that west indies have talent. channeling and developing that talent is the number one problem, in business we talk about opportunity cost, strength and weaknesses. select the players who show tremendous leadership. set ground rules treat them like kids, make them accountable for their actions. let them earn their playing time. The west indies was one of the greatest cricket team, today it is an embarrassment to the people of the west indies. Richards, Sobers, Chanderpaul and Lara are just a few names that had set their mark on west in dies cricket. let the new generation strive to follow in the footstep of the great. And let the great players reinforce the love of the game rather than the fame that come from playing

Posted by rayinto on (November 19, 2013, 14:04 GMT)

Love the comment "I believe T20 is an exhibition while Test cricket is an examination". "Fast food vs 7 course" would be another. West Indies were great when they played county cricket in England in the 70s. England since limited the number of overseas players, West Indies cricket has slowly declined. IPL introduced 20/20 that severely diminished the attention span of the many West Indian players plating 20/20 to the extent that people like Narine is not effective in test. And, likeLloyd rightly said, the rest are drunk with 20/20!

Posted by ramesh-roy on (November 19, 2013, 13:29 GMT)

Mr Lloyd is spot on by blaming the young WI batsmen but he should also blame the selectors as well. They, unlike the fans and W I media, should recognize and select batsmen with Test match requirements eg technique, temperament and tough mental framework.Why pick the T20 and ODI bashers and leave out solid young batsmen like Assad Fudadin and Braithwaite? Even if they fail - give them two years at least.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 12:35 GMT)

@PACERONE and some others citing lack of test matches for WI, well!! who is to blame for???they shot themselves in the foot by opting to play a useless ODI tri series when they were schedule to play 2 Tests against PAKISTAN after CT, just imagine how much benefit that would have given them to play against the best spinners in the world and have some time at crease but they didn't and the result is out there and everyone can see how pathetic WI batting has become against all types of bowling in test cricket, really a shame from a wonderful past when thought of playing against WI used to give nightmares to opposing teams.

Posted by rajuramki on (November 19, 2013, 12:12 GMT)

When batsmen try to hit the spinners out of trouble , it is a clear evidence that they have no confidence in their defensive techniques . The west Indian batsmen were precisely trying to hit their way out of trouble . Lloyd's observation is spot on . Here is where Rohit showed his maturity . Rohit has only played T20 and ODI till he was given a test cap against the west indies . Though he was quite successful in both T20 and ODI ( although only in the recent past ) , he played the tests against WI , the way tests are to be played . The current west indian line up is nowhere near Richards , Greenidge or Lloyd and hence they should not have tried to do what the greats did . It is sad to see the decline in west indies cricket and I can visualise how bad the greats will be feeling after the series defeat .

Posted by chechong0114 on (November 19, 2013, 11:48 GMT)

How long will these men continue to look for excuses as to the cause of all of the failings of West Indies cricket of late. Now Lara is weighing in and questioning as to why Bishoo and Narine were left out of the test squad. Truth is even if they were in the squad it would not have made any difference to the final result or the duration of the two test matches, if they had played it would have just been 2 additional players to blame for the loses and some other person questioning why the 2 people they replaced were not given the opportunity to play. Its just an ongoing maze of stupidity that has become WI cricket, failings, tons of questions and no answers. If the people of the Caribbean want change then they have to create change which has to start from the top, WI cricket should have never come to this state in the first place and commenting about things on this website will not make things better if we are not a part of the solution then we are part of the problem START FROM THE TOP

Posted by ODI_BestFormOfCricket on (November 19, 2013, 11:46 GMT)

darren sammy is a best suited all rounder for limited cricketter. He is not suitable for tests. dywne bravo could be better allrounder than sammy in tests. One more thing, dinesh ramdin does not deserve a place even any of fc cricket team.

Posted by panoop22 on (November 19, 2013, 11:03 GMT)

Chris, Charles,darren, samuels,Simmons,Narsing,Dwayne,sammy,rampaul,narine,holder

Posted by PACERONE on (November 19, 2013, 10:12 GMT)

West indies were the only team that was not playing any cricket for awhile.Net practice is not the same as been out in the middle.Then when they wanted a replacement they did not use a player who had performed admirable recently against some of these same Indian batsmen.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 10:01 GMT)

Someone respectable shares my sentiment.

Posted by HonestyMatters on (November 19, 2013, 9:47 GMT)

@Lwazi: I thought of that too ! I watched the replays and realized Sammy was trying to let the ball go through between his stomach and bat without touching his glove or handle of the bat. It made him look a lot clumsy.

Besides, if you look at the replays, the ball turned immensely after pitching, which to a naked eye appears as if it would go straight missing the off-stump, and rightly so, Sammy thought of leaving the ball (in the first instant of thought). Rest was history. All a bit too surreal

Posted by NixNixon on (November 19, 2013, 9:39 GMT)

Smith, Petersen, Amla, Kallis, De Villiers, Duminy, McLaren, Philander, Steyn, Morkel, Tahir

Posted by jokerbala on (November 19, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

No disrespect to Sammy but ,very sad to see somebody like him who bowls gentle military medium open the bowling for once mighty West Indies known for their quality pacers. Sure Kemar roach , jerome taylor are injured but still, cant they find decent back up bowlers? Even in the past somebody like Reon King / Corey Collymore used to spring up and atleast test the batsmen.

Posted by SamRoy on (November 19, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

That's not right. WI lost because apart from Powell and Chanderpaul nobody has good technique. And Powell has a mental issue of throwing his wicket away. Even Samuels (their best batsman) looked like a tailender against the reverse swing of the India's rookie fast bowler. Gayle's no longer interested in test cricket. Also he is 33. He has at the most another two years of test cricket in him. Hand eye players have to retire early, because their technique is unreliable and hand eye co-ordination is the first to desert a player.

Posted by himanshu.team on (November 19, 2013, 8:27 GMT)

Test cricket is about patience and perseverance and WI players had none. Apart from Chanderpaul and Shillingford, no other batsman or bowler looked willing to play for long periods. They were just too impatient. The batsmen were cocky to believe they can hit out when the things were tight. The result was that they played right into Dhoni's hands. The basic ways to get batsmen out, which were obvious to many viewers, got the wickets and it all looked pretty easy. From WI perspective, their batsmen must be aware that is a portion of the field is left vacant, it means the bowler wants you to hit there and get out in the process. Still, if you play that very shot and get out, not much can be said about your batting skills. More than technique, it is about temperament and WI batsmen displayed neither

Posted by Sagay-Ed on (November 19, 2013, 8:05 GMT)

Agreed, WI batsmen lost their wickets to rash shots. What about Chanderpaul? He was dismissed in 3 out of 4 innings. Give at least little credit to the bowlers. I hope people would remember how Bravo and Chanderpaul played in the last tour. They put on some good scores for their team.

Posted by kbalaji on (November 19, 2013, 8:05 GMT)

When you have players like Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Kalicharan, Dujon, Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts, Croft and others in your team, it isn't difficult to captain. Clive was just a strong personality who man-managed and controlled the unlimited talent at his disposal. Even he cannot win much with the current West Indian team.

Posted by ramli on (November 19, 2013, 8:02 GMT)

Very good analogy ... T20-exhibition and tests-examination ... good summary ... but still you need different skill-sets for these ... may be when players pass the exam, exhibition becomes easier ... sadly in present times, WI players limit themseleves to exhibition and satisfied with passing easy exams

Posted by wirus on (November 19, 2013, 8:00 GMT)

As usual, sound words of wisdom from Mr Lloyd but NO ONE in authority is listening. He is only stating the obvious yet why can't the selectors see the obvious? Sammy should be honoured for his efforts and his commitment but he should also have the good sense to know when to leave. If he stays beyond the NZ tour whatever he had achieved in the past including the T20 win will be tarnished. He should know that he must go now and the selectors should know it too. Picking the strongest possible WI team is NOT beyond the wit of man. One does not need a PhD. Pick players who are fit, in form, committed, hungry and capable. Is that too hard to ask? Every other test playing nation does it. The other test countries scratch their heads in utter bewilderment when they see who WI selectors send out onto a cricket field. They are torn between laughing at us and crying for us. We can stop this. WE CAN FIX THIS.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 7:47 GMT)

Just looking at the picture makes me ask the question: Why is Darren Sammy scared of the ball?

Posted by MrPud on (November 19, 2013, 7:29 GMT)

When Clive speaks, you must listen.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 7:24 GMT)

profound - no wonder under his leadership the Windies were the greatest team in cricket

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