India news October 3, 2013

CSA broke protocol, created impasse - BCCI

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Cricket South Africa created the current impasse with the BCCI by going against protocol in announcing unilaterally the schedule for India's tour, BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel has said. The BCCI is "waiting", Patel said, without specifying what it was waiting for.

The schedule was announced by CSA in early July, prompting a swift and sharp response by the BCCI that left relations between the two in a state of limbo. A CSA spoksesman said the board was not going to respond to Patel's comments.

"Things are going [on] since long. Certain things have to be put in right perspective. Let me inform you that BCCI in normal circumstances would have done anything [for the tour to proceed]. But the protocol of finalising any series is joint declaration. But that declaration was originally done without the BCCI's approval. So we are waiting," Patel said in Mumbai.

Patel did not elaborate on what the BCCI was waiting for, since a meeting between him and CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat on the sidelines of the ICC board meeting in Dubai failed to break the deadlock. ESPNcricinfo understands Patel had promised CSA that they would hear from the BCCI after the AGM on September 29. However, despite N Srinivasan's election as BCCI president, the board's top brass has decided to wait on finalising the tour itinerary until the Supreme Court allows Srinivasan to discharge duties as the BCCI chief. The court is going to hear the matter next on October 7.

With the uncertainty over the South Africa tour increasing, Patel said the BCCI was confident of having an alternate plan in case it was cancelled. "[A] number of countries are ready to play with India. There is no problem at all," he said. He said there was no plan to host a tri-series involving Pakistan and Sri Lanka "at the moment" but the board had already demonstrated its ability to organise series at short notice - as was evident from the West Indies series.

"There were a couple of reasons [for organising the West Indies series] because BCCI is also committed to its local fans. Somehow, for the season 2013-14, the home series are only 24 days, if I am not wrong," Patel said. "So obviously we were worried about how to do the home series and we are quite happy that the West Indies series has been finalised."

Patel also set aside Mumbai Cricket Association's objection to the decision to resume international cricket at the Cricket Club of India's Brabourne Stadium in Mumbai. CCI has a special voting right as per the BCCI constitution and the AGM decided to treat it as a separate unit, unlike in the past when the MCA used to decide whether to allot matches to the Brabourne Stadium or not.

"Considering the historical background of CCI as well as all the help [they have provided] as and when required… When the venue questions have arisen, CCI is always there to support and giving some match [to them] won't be out of turn or something like that," Patel said. "We considered that some matches will be allocated. MCA's rotation and everything remains the same. It has got nothing to do with it. This will be an additional allotment, if at all."

During the last Test hosted at Braboune in December 2009, MCA and CCI were involved in a dispute over payment of rent. However, international cricket returned to the historic venue during the Women's World Cup earlier this year.

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • MartinC on October 4, 2013, 2:26 GMT

    Whatever the reasons behind this situation it's bringing the game of cricket into disrepute. The ICC need to mediate and show some backbone to knock some heads together. It's frankly ridiculous that this situation has been allowed to arise.

    What's the point of the future tours programme if this kind of thing happens.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 9, 2013, 6:55 GMT

    @TommytuckerSaffa. A man who scored 300+ runs with two hundreds on the last tour deserves more credit. Steyn was there in that tour too. Learn to admire legends.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on October 7, 2013, 18:14 GMT

    BCCI protecting Sachin against Steyn who will end his career in SA. Cant believe they are going to cut the SA tour short so that they can have a 'soft' match for Sachins 200th game. Who do these guys think they are?

  • YS_USA on October 7, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    India will go ahead with shorter tour that will cost only $20 million to SA, but what after that. How much more will it cost to SA to hold on to Lorgat and is it worth it?

  • emceedrive on October 6, 2013, 5:23 GMT

    I wish it was a surprise that Srinivasan and his cabal of fellow power-grabbers that they call the BCCI would be so petulant as to cancel a tour over a petty dispute. It isn't. I have no idea what bone they have to pick with Lorgat, but even if you decide that you want to rake him over the coals, there are better ways to do it than putting petty politics above cricket. The game should come first, always; and the fans want to see India in SA. The last tour was BRILLIANT! From looking like they would get swept in the first match, to the strong comeback win in the 2nd match, to that epic battle between steyn and the little master. Test cricket needs Australia, England, India, and South Africa to play high profile series' verse each other.

  • BHARATLIFE on October 5, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    No offense to WI, but replacing a SA series with a WI at home. I am not sure how the fans enjoy it. It might have been baptism under fire for most youngsters, and who knows Cheteswar might have grown as a player. Normally, i would not most decisions and stands BCCI takes, but their opposition is slightly justified this time. Like i said before at least a 3 match test series., with 2 T20 and 3 ODI vs SA. This is a serious damage to the cricketing intellect of the Indian Fan.

  • hhillbumper on October 5, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    Just as an aside do we have to watch India in England next year? They bring no value and folded up like a pack of cards last time.They are only good for boosting the career stats.Could we not have Bangladesh who pose more of a challenge as they try to play. T

  • yorkshire-86 on October 5, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    Without India there is no cricket? What utter tosh. India generates very little money for the boards and cricketers of England, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. A lot for the ICC and Indian cricketers, true, but the real big Test series, the ones like Eng vs Aus, the ones that actualy FILL stadiums playing proper cricket not T20 hit and giggle, will not be affected at all.

  • ladycricfan on October 5, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    Before 1990 cricket was televised free in india. Even indian cricketers were not paid much then. Cricket was played all over the world without Indian money. It was during dalmiya 's time in kolkatta in early 1990s that india started generating money through TV deals. As CEO of icc, lorgat advised other countries to be independent and not to rely on india. He would now realise how easily it is said than done.

    As the SC said, Srinivasan will discharge his duties as president from October 7th other than IPL related matters, the scheduled meeting between the presidents of CSA and BCCI will take place on October. 16 the and 17th to discuss the tour schedule. Hope they agree to the tour and release the schedule soon.

  • SanjivAwesome on October 5, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    I see from the posts here that intelligence has given way to emotion among the fans. Is it any wonder that the administrators are behaving similarly? SA cricket administrators should develop their own Plan B and press ahead without an India tour - that way at least the SA fans will see some cricket. As an India fan, I note that our Board has organised some other cricket to watch. The Plan A remains unchanged - a dream match Ind and SA!

  • MartinC on October 4, 2013, 2:26 GMT

    Whatever the reasons behind this situation it's bringing the game of cricket into disrepute. The ICC need to mediate and show some backbone to knock some heads together. It's frankly ridiculous that this situation has been allowed to arise.

    What's the point of the future tours programme if this kind of thing happens.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 9, 2013, 6:55 GMT

    @TommytuckerSaffa. A man who scored 300+ runs with two hundreds on the last tour deserves more credit. Steyn was there in that tour too. Learn to admire legends.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on October 7, 2013, 18:14 GMT

    BCCI protecting Sachin against Steyn who will end his career in SA. Cant believe they are going to cut the SA tour short so that they can have a 'soft' match for Sachins 200th game. Who do these guys think they are?

  • YS_USA on October 7, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    India will go ahead with shorter tour that will cost only $20 million to SA, but what after that. How much more will it cost to SA to hold on to Lorgat and is it worth it?

  • emceedrive on October 6, 2013, 5:23 GMT

    I wish it was a surprise that Srinivasan and his cabal of fellow power-grabbers that they call the BCCI would be so petulant as to cancel a tour over a petty dispute. It isn't. I have no idea what bone they have to pick with Lorgat, but even if you decide that you want to rake him over the coals, there are better ways to do it than putting petty politics above cricket. The game should come first, always; and the fans want to see India in SA. The last tour was BRILLIANT! From looking like they would get swept in the first match, to the strong comeback win in the 2nd match, to that epic battle between steyn and the little master. Test cricket needs Australia, England, India, and South Africa to play high profile series' verse each other.

  • BHARATLIFE on October 5, 2013, 23:40 GMT

    No offense to WI, but replacing a SA series with a WI at home. I am not sure how the fans enjoy it. It might have been baptism under fire for most youngsters, and who knows Cheteswar might have grown as a player. Normally, i would not most decisions and stands BCCI takes, but their opposition is slightly justified this time. Like i said before at least a 3 match test series., with 2 T20 and 3 ODI vs SA. This is a serious damage to the cricketing intellect of the Indian Fan.

  • hhillbumper on October 5, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    Just as an aside do we have to watch India in England next year? They bring no value and folded up like a pack of cards last time.They are only good for boosting the career stats.Could we not have Bangladesh who pose more of a challenge as they try to play. T

  • yorkshire-86 on October 5, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    Without India there is no cricket? What utter tosh. India generates very little money for the boards and cricketers of England, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. A lot for the ICC and Indian cricketers, true, but the real big Test series, the ones like Eng vs Aus, the ones that actualy FILL stadiums playing proper cricket not T20 hit and giggle, will not be affected at all.

  • ladycricfan on October 5, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    Before 1990 cricket was televised free in india. Even indian cricketers were not paid much then. Cricket was played all over the world without Indian money. It was during dalmiya 's time in kolkatta in early 1990s that india started generating money through TV deals. As CEO of icc, lorgat advised other countries to be independent and not to rely on india. He would now realise how easily it is said than done.

    As the SC said, Srinivasan will discharge his duties as president from October 7th other than IPL related matters, the scheduled meeting between the presidents of CSA and BCCI will take place on October. 16 the and 17th to discuss the tour schedule. Hope they agree to the tour and release the schedule soon.

  • SanjivAwesome on October 5, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    I see from the posts here that intelligence has given way to emotion among the fans. Is it any wonder that the administrators are behaving similarly? SA cricket administrators should develop their own Plan B and press ahead without an India tour - that way at least the SA fans will see some cricket. As an India fan, I note that our Board has organised some other cricket to watch. The Plan A remains unchanged - a dream match Ind and SA!

  • Greatest_Game on October 5, 2013, 2:18 GMT

    @ Amit_4_Sachin clearly has no idea about the realities of the circumstances. He claims that " BCCI is clearly justified in opposing (Lorgat), as the first thing he did after appointment was to announce the schedule unilaterally."

    The schedule was announced BEFORE Lprgat was appointed. Lorgathas nothing to do with the tour schedule announcement! Amit_4_Sachin is absolutely wrong. His statement completely ignores the facts. It is truly sad that indian fans will twist facts in an attempt to hide the truth about the BCCI.

  • landl47 on October 4, 2013, 21:43 GMT

    I've seen nothing from India to indicate why the itinerary announced by SA was unacceptable. It seems as though this is just a tantrum of the kind the BCCI throws constantly. If the itinerary had problems, then discuss them. If the BCCI didn't have any problems with the itinerary, but just with the way it was announced, have a quiet word behind the scenes about protocol. To mess about with, and possibly cancel, a tour for no better reason than that they didn't like the way it was announced is the behavior of small children, not adults.

    @rmrayner: probably much the same way as the BCCI would feel if SA told them who not to appoint to their top position- or had you forgotten that?

  • maddy20 on October 4, 2013, 19:07 GMT

    I can't wait to see the SC kicking out the hooligans destroying our cricket. Enough is enough. End this stand still and atleast have a three test series. We don't care about the ODIs and T20!

  • on October 4, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    BCCI wants to cancel the tour as they know that Indian team will lost all the matches in Africa

  • BobCo on October 4, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    1. It is obvious that this is not the real reason the BCCI pulled out of the tour. Mediation of an itinerary is not that hard and to hide behind such a lame excuse makes the BCCI look exactly that, lame. Frankly, they would have looked better if they had kept their mouths about this one (or found a more believable excuse!).

    2. No one, including India, should be able to avoid their responsibilities with regard to the futures program. That India does says much about the BCCI's attitude to world cricket. I have no problem with India having a relatively large say in what is good for the international game, but the BCCI doesn't deserve such a responsibility when it has major unresolved internal issues and such blatant disrespect for the international community. They need to stop the bullying and posturing. Sadly, I'm not optimistic of seeing such a change anytime soon, especially with the current folk running it. Come on, BCCI, lift your game!

  • chotteguru on October 4, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    The overwhelming majority of your contributors want a meaningful Indian series in SA, as I am sure, do most cricket lovers. Sadly, but not unexpectedly BCCI will refuse to put their petty political games aside in the interests of the game. Somebody needs to rebel here to make the administrators honest to thier duties. Maybe the players need to show some bottle here and as a team, make their views known, in private at first and then in public if that fails. It is a big risk, but the cricket public will support them.

  • DaveT on October 4, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    This farce is a disgrace.

  • vatsap on October 4, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    Glad to see so many Indians of the need to play SA in SA, rather than some meaningless ODI with SL/Pak at home or the WI series. Like someone said, the game gets killed thanks to some egoistic Administrators. It really doesn't matter if India losses 3-0 with an young team, but the series should be on.

  • gentlemans-game on October 4, 2013, 16:12 GMT

    What will it take for CSA or CA or the ECB to refuse to play vs. India (tests, ODIs, T20s, the lot). Clearly, citing FTP commitments is no longer relevant, or a valid argument to carry on with a tour. So what are the other boards waiting for? Stand up to the BCCI and take them down a peg or two. Cricket will certainly benefit.

  • Ace89 on October 4, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    This is the outcome when you have bureaucrats and politicians in charge of sport. Fighting over the tiniest of issues to gain leverage, ready to throw the everything else down the gutter. That's what happened in the US with the shutdown, and that's what's happening here.

    I wish all these people were sacked, replaced by cricketers.

  • rmjayna on October 4, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    Good for India. Itinerary is normally agreed by both side before being announced. Days are gone when cricket nations dictated India. How would SA feel if India unilaterally decide a tour, its date, how many and when and where. It works both ways.

  • burner1985 on October 4, 2013, 14:08 GMT

    @hems4cric, just having a poke mate. I wish that all Indian cricket fans take matters into their own hands and kick these egos out. It's so sad to see a sport loved by so many being ruined by a few.

  • on October 4, 2013, 14:04 GMT

    india cricket need south Africa tour

  • on October 4, 2013, 13:35 GMT

    JustIPL on (October 4, 2013, 11:12 GMT): You said: "Obviously, India are worried about their ICC ranking ...". So did say a few others. Some of them are NOT even from SA, as one can see from thier Facebook Accounts. Try to add fuel to the fire, and spoil the friendship.

    It is not that obvious... unless you wear coloured glasses. Both the new breed of Indian cricketers and Indian fans are eagerly waiting to see India playing in countries like SA, England, Australia.

    A country were India lost 4-0 (England), is the one where India is getting ready to go for 5 Tests. Equally eager are we to play against an excellent team like SA's. More so, since we had been good friends for decades. It is foolish to spoil our cordial relationship, due to the idiocy of a few power hungry and / or egomaniac Administrators. Eagerly looking for at least 3 Tests, in the remaining window. Anything more is bonus. But, someone has to make a move fast, before even that limited window is also lost.

  • on October 4, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    "ESPNcricinfo understands Patel had promised CSA that they would hear from the BCCI after the AGM on September 29." ESPNcricinfo understood from Lorgat's version as Patel never ever talked to anybody. Patel briefed at press yesterday only & that's officially. Why Lorgat is giving intercept to ESPNcricinfo & not to have a diplomatic talk with BCCI? Because he is not interested. Some time ago, an article "Marriage on Rocks" was published here on this forum and it was cent percent correct. When CSA & BCCI are good friends then what's wrong with them? Malicious comments on this forum about BCCI or INDIA are unwarranted and must be condemned as hard possible. They are bad in nature.

    Patel did not elaborate on what the BCCI was waiting for,..... Obviously it is for official talk by CSA with BCCI with whatever concerns CSA has. BUT if A CSA spokesman said the board was not going to respond to Patel's comments, then CSA is responsible. BCCI is not ......for ruining holiday or cricket or any.

  • Gurudumu on October 4, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    I'm not privy to the ins and outs of the dispute between BCCI & CSA , but there seems to be more than meets the eye. It would be childish if Srinivasan's dislike for Lorgat is the only issue causing this impasse. BCCI should take the high moral ground and show leadership in world cricket - India are the undisputed power in world cricket. CSA have been 'put in their place' as it were if, indeed that is what BCCI wanted to achieve. Give us, the fans, the chance to see a great competitive Test between India and SA.

  • on October 4, 2013, 12:39 GMT

    Winning on South African soil is always difficult task for an Indian side, but we as true Cricket fans want to see India playing against SA in SA. It doesn't matter if we win or lose their as far as a Cricket fan is concerned, but we want to see some good cricket.... At least something different from India vs Sri Lanka.

  • JustIPL on October 4, 2013, 11:12 GMT

    Obviously, India are worried about their ICC ranking in all formats and are afraid to lose to SA in tests. India support more limited overs cricket as they are stronger in that form. By the way if protocol was the problem then India wanted SA to provide the schedule and then they(india) reduce the no of tests which SA dont want.

  • Tanwar1989 on October 4, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    shame on BCCI. this is no good for cricket.

  • on October 4, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    How sad that a couple of out-of-control egos can affect the pleasure of millions of fans, lots of players and many administrators - in South Africa, India and many other crickey-loving places!!!

    The BCCI are total bullies and don't have cricket's best wishes at heart - only their own inflated sense of self-importance. Really pathetic!!! When egos get too big, too petty and too greedy they often get bitten in the backside - ask Lalit Modi!!!

    All this nonsense over a small administrative issue. If we believe that is all we will believe that pigs can fly!

  • on October 4, 2013, 10:10 GMT

    Whatever the reason of the dispute I just hope Indians and SA'n fans don't start fighting with each other over two political body disputes.I just know one thing that SA'an cricketer are one of the most loved in India and also our players have been friends with each other from a long time and they still are.There is no point in fighting with each other as you never know whats the inside story of such controversies is,so its useless having a dispute over speculation.Just wish for this spectacular series to happen.Peace :)

  • on October 4, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    It is not the BCCI as an organization but Srinivasan and the current dispensation including people like Sanjay Patel that need to be shunted out of Indian cricket to cleanse Indian cricket of its current mess. Want the Ind-SA to go ahead even if curtailed. Hope the Supreme court puts some sense into BCCI affairs and debars Srini from taking up the reins of BCCI and Indian cricket currently.

  • Biso on October 4, 2013, 9:55 GMT

    @ Biggus: BCCI is not throwing tantrums. BCCI means business and is showing Lorgat and CSA that they can not get away by trying to create a fate-accomplice situation. All those talks about BCCI bullying other boards,saving their team from imagined thrashing in SA -it's getting too boring. BCCI are waiting for CSA to come up with a modified proposal on the itinerary and the onus is on CSA to do so. BCCI has already sounded it's disagreement over the unilateral declaration of the tour itinerary. I do not understand , what else is BCCI supposed to be doing? Since CSA and BCCI were friends BCCI could find the space to intimate CSA their apprehensions about Lorgat who had needled them a lot while he was CEO at ICC. BCCI did nothing wrong. CSA did take cognizance of that but Lorgat assured them that he had things under control. That was a big mistake. The ham handed way in declaring the tour itinerary was the blunder that followed. So, don't blame BCCI for being assertive.

  • NixNixon on October 4, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    BCCI must be careful that their actions do not destroy world cricket. Cricket is not the most popular sport in world and the ICC is trying their best to grow the game. But if the world sees the BCCI ruling cricket like they run the show, big countries like America, China etc will not buy into cricket as the BCCI is making n mockery of the game. We need cricket to grow and the BCCI must think wider than just their own interests. Remember India cant play international cricket against themselves.

  • BellCurve on October 4, 2013, 9:28 GMT

    I live in Europe. I was planning to go down to SA for the Newlands Test. I have just cancelled my travel plans. Well done BCCI for ruining my holiday!

  • mm71 on October 4, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    @Biggus, let's for once forget it was BCCI. Let's say it was PCB. Do you think they are fine with such unilateral show of strength by CSA? Lorgat joins & the first thing he says he would mend his relationship with BCCI & proceeds in exactly the opposite direction. Lorgat plays politics in internal BCCI affairs, talks to rivals of BCCI management, does everything friends are not supposed to do to each other, yet the expectation is that BCCI shouldn't react? What is the power of BCCI? It's nothing. The power is the Indian cricket fan & his passion for cricket. BCCI has nurtured this well. No country in the world is as passionate about a single sport like Indians are about cricket. This gives power to BCCI & this is the money which is shared with cricket boards across the world. You wishing that BCCI loses it's power is encouraging the Indian fan to give up cricket, which will not be good for cricket, whichever country you belong to.

  • Smithie on October 4, 2013, 9:12 GMT

    @Adita Bothra - your observations are spot on. The only thing Srini values is power and the rest of the cricket community has the power if they wish to use it. The cash cow IPL would be nothing without overseas players, coaches and back room staff - imagine the screams from the advertisers and sponsors if IPL was a truly Indian domestic competition. See current NDTV piece showing the decline in value of the BCCI brand. Note the reduced value the BCCI has had to accept for team sponsorship this year. Srini will continue to divide and rule until the ICC gets all the other cricket nations to mount a credible threat to IPL. The ball is in your court Dave Richardson.

  • on October 4, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    bcci as usual playing the bully ..... wonder if words like graciousness fits into their vocab

  • CandidIndian on October 4, 2013, 8:57 GMT

    Well so far whatever information has come out shows clearly that issues are there between CSA and BCCI, but what is so seriously wrong that entire tour is likely to get cancelled, sounds ridiculous to me, what is this? school championship or international cricket. Yes CSA were wrong to announce schedule all by themselves, but solution to that can be , cancel that tour program and make a new one, why cancel the tour? India will be touring England shortly where they got whitewashed last time, SA tour would have helped Indian batsman and bowler to get exposure against high quality test team like SA. BCCI even sent India A team to SA for preparation of highly awaited test series, what happened in between that spoiled everything? surely fans would like to know more.

  • SurlyCynic on October 4, 2013, 8:45 GMT

    Reading through the comments, it is disappointing to see people on both sides say 'yes, go ahead and cancel the tour, we don't need them', etc.

    We need to remember that cricket is a small sport at the top level and we need each other. Personality clashes between a few administrators shouldn't be allowed to interfere in this way. Yes, India is now the most powerful cricket nation and some Indian posters here are happy with the way it uses this power. Fair enough. But even India needs other nations to play against at international level, and South Africans like ABDV, Steyn, Morkel help to make the IPL such a good competition. When India had problems hosting the IPL South Africa hosted it.

    Most importantly, I love test cricket but there is only a small amount of top standard test cricket with only a few teams. If two top nations like India and SA let politics get in the way of tours then test cricket is another step closer to death. I hope they use their power wisely.

  • satishchandar on October 4, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    @rjansen : For your suggestions.. a. BCCI could have done it but being big guy, their ego won't allow them to go to Lorgat and start discussion.. Poor BCCI is not ready to come one step forward as Lorgat already took one step backward.. b. By not accepting the schedule, they are indirectly asking to review the current one. c. No threatens as of now from BCCI officially.

    BCCI are really putting the Lorgat agenda but it is Lorgat who is pulling BCCIs legs for long time and CSA is facing the heat for appointing him their chief..

  • satishchandar on October 4, 2013, 8:37 GMT

    @genuineIndianFan : Schedule was approved and declared by Lorgat without consulting BCCI. Schedule is a issue created by Lorgat. Lorgat does have a history of issues with BCCI where he always created new problems.. If Lorgat is going to use his power and behave like he had, BCCI with its power will do 20 times fold.. If at all any blame, let Lorgat take it for being rude.. It is not standing up against BCCI but being completely rude to counterpart..

  • on October 4, 2013, 8:31 GMT

    This is pure blackmail by BCCI. We have seen for last few years (particularly since Srini took over) the interest of cricket loving public and the game itself is low on BCCI's priorities. Test cricket is being treated as a step child. Meaningless matches with Asian countries are forced upon us.

    We want to see quality cricket with SA, Eng & Australia. We want DRS to be implemented. We want ICC to show some spine.

    It is time to call BCCI's bluff. All boards must prepare for some financial losses, and boycott BCCI for some time. Let's see how long they can put wool over our eyes.

    I am an Indian, by the way.

  • Biggus on October 4, 2013, 8:25 GMT

    Well, one thing's for sure:- if CSA were the friends of the BCCI before this incident then they don't regard them as such now. No matter how this ends up, no matter whether Haroon Lorgat remains or is replaced as chief of CSA the Saffers will remember this, as they ought, for despite the transparent excuses the BCCI has come up with we all know what this is about:-The BCCI throwing a tantrum because they couldn't dictate the appointment of the CEO of CSA. Many Indian fans find the thrill of the BCCI playing bully boy intoxicating and they plainly are as clueless about human nature and history as the BCCI, for the bully always meets the same end, just like Julius Caesar, murdered by those they foolishly considered their friends, blind to the effect their actions had on their erstwhile peers and the resentment caused. Beware the Ides of March BCCI, the other boards have not yet reached the point of plotting your downfall but they are inching closer with every high handed act you make.

  • on October 4, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    Really sad that egos have taken precedence over rightful sporting spectacle. I hope Indian business houses take note and refuse to sponsor any series other than India v SAF. I certainly would boycott Indian cricket for some time.

  • IndianSRTfan on October 4, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    @Posted by Greg Warrick on (October 4, 2013, 5:40 GMT): I think you hit the nail on the head there. Real fans would want to see actual game of cricket rather than these boardroom games.

    CSA made a mistake by announcing tour schedule early but anyone who believes that that is the only reason for this tussle would be being naive to say the least. Real issue is Lorgat.

    CSA took the word of a has-been in BCCI about the impending elections and took a gamble and now unfortunately they are paying for it. It is not at all fair but this is how corporate world works, errors in judgement usually cause monetary losses and CSA will have to bear them too. But this shortened tour is already gonna be a huge loss for CSA and surely that's enough of a, for a lack of better word, punishment for CSA's actions?

    BCCI are engaging in unnecessary display of power here. Cancelled tour will cause irreparable harm to relations between these two cricketing nations.

  • genuineIndianFan on October 4, 2013, 8:00 GMT

    @ satishchandar : We have to remember one thing that WI tour if India and India's NZ tour were announced after the Lorgat appointment. Before that, there were nothing in between which should mean that India were willing to play three tests and seven ODIs in SA. (I have already mentioned that schedule should have been discussed earlier). So do you still think schedule was the issue and not Lorgat?

  • Taha_Farrukh on October 4, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    Drama .........BCCI really want SA to play but they don't want to announce it well before time..... they want to send strong massage to all world cricket.... that BCCI have power to mold any Cricket board in any way..... BCCI enjoying their good time....and wait for the ....... change....

  • satishchandar on October 4, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    @genuineIndianFan : This is very normal reaction from the boss.. Yes CSA has every right to chose who they want to be their lead. Same with BCCI too.. They can chose whom they want to play and don't want to.. No offense here.. If BCCI are not interested, leave them their own space.. Mroe than the history of Lorgat, the improper way of declaring the fixtures made it a big issue.. The way it is done shows the care Lorgat is having on the board and his way of dealing a bilateral series..

  • on October 4, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    @paraspunter....yeah India isnt placed well in olympics but thats because we donot play most of those games and those we play donot feature in olympics.Then also we are catching up fast...there are so many sports where we are champions like wrestling,shooting,boxing,badminton,chess,archery etc...but you wouldnot know as you dont follow sports...you just follow the medal table which satisfies your jingostic nationalism.Its a shame that you ppl looted entire africa and asia for hundred years and yet not self sufficient and you expect that nations who got freedom about 60-70 years ago will become superpower in such a short span!!!

  • rjansen on October 4, 2013, 7:47 GMT

    What ridiculous behaviour by the BCCI!

    If the SA board really jumped the gun (which is just what the BCCI is claiming, doesn't mean it's completely true), what should have been the BCCI's options?

    a) Propose changes to the schedule that suits them better b) Ask the SA board to review the schedule together c) Stomp their feet like little kids, threaten to cancel the full thing and start organizing options with other countries in the same window.

    Clearly the BCCI are pursuing other agendas. Or they really are the mental equivalent of a bunch of kids.

  • ASP007 on October 4, 2013, 7:41 GMT

    Who on earth is interested in Ind vs WI series... The whole country is eagerly waiting for Ind vs SA series. BCCI is pathetic.. BCCI ask people what they want..

  • genuineIndianFan on October 4, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    Afterall, it is CSA's, and only CSA's, discretion whom to appoint at their helm. BCCI don't have anything to do with that. And cancelling a tour for that reason is rubbish. On CSA's part, true that they should have consulted with their counterparts before finalising and announcing the schedule. But I don't think that is the main reason for the trouble.

    To be frank, I find BCCI more at fault.

  • Alistair0610 on October 4, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    CSA are not blameless but the BCCI need to be brought down a peg or two. Their money, greed are ruining world cricket. They are acting like spoiled brats.

  • zxaar on October 4, 2013, 7:15 GMT

    @PrasPunter on (October 4, 2013, 6:48 GMT) " Even with cricket, your team is at a best an average one most of the time. " ---------------------- Yaaa right, this is why they are at the top of ODI rankings, and in top 3 for tests. Also being average is the reason they seems to be winning almost every tournament like say world cup , t20 cups etc etc.

  • on October 4, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    @ Ramesh_Joseph no not at all but if the BCCI felt that 7 ODI's was to much then surely they could just have said sorry but we wont play that many we will only agree to 5 or so problem solved? not refuse point blank to tour make a massive deal out of it then schedule another tour before and bring the one after closer (thereby actually increasing the amount of cricket) and basically refuse to talk to SA. thought this was supposed to be sorted by end of last month? seems so petty and vindictive the way they are "handling it"

  • sachinisawesome on October 4, 2013, 7:11 GMT

    @ People who are whining, if BCCI was so worried about getting whitewashed then they wouldn't have planned a tour to SA in the first place. Please apply some logic. Yes BCCI is the strongest board in the world but they also help other boards as much as they can. After CT Sri lanka was supposed to play Tests in WI but instead they canceled the tests and requested India to play with them so they could come out of debt.

  • IndianSRTfan on October 4, 2013, 7:11 GMT

    @Posted by PrasPunter on (October 4, 2013, 6:48 GMT): What a load of absolute malarkey!!! Is this comment even relevant? If you want to debate India's sporting scene I suggest you find a different forum. Plus this "most of the times an average team" recently gave your bog-average team a 4-0 thrashing, won WC and CT, so don't flatter yourself into thinking otherwise. If I were you, I'd worry more about the upcoming Ashes, what with Clarke being unfit and what not.

  • on October 4, 2013, 7:09 GMT

    I feel we will have atleast 2 Tests and 3 ODIs provided Lorgat humbles himself before BCCI thinking of interest of CSA. That I guess will be just sufficient amount of cricket for cricket lovers wanting to see good quality cricket. Seeing how Westindies A is doing , series with Westindies will also be an interesting and appealing series.

  • Biggus on October 4, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    @PrasPunter:-The ICC won't confront the BCCI, we all know that. I predict it will come down to grass roots people power, the average fans like you or I boycotting matches that involve India. They've never been a big draw down here in Australia so it's no big loss to me and despite what India fans say we would survive without Indian money. Those Indian fans who aren't high on the fumes of the 'might is right' argument can already see the problems their board is creating and those who can't are plainly motivated by the base instincts of the bully and will not be distracted by concepts of decency and fairness. The BCCI is a rogue board and if our respective boards don't have the intestinal fortitude to rein them in then we, the rank and file fans, will have to show them where they might find their lost dignity.

  • on October 4, 2013, 6:51 GMT

    Let us get this straight.Win or lose, the Indian cricket team is the one which draws maximum crowds and therefore profits for cricket boards. Whether it is South Africa, England, Australia or any other country, almost everyone wants either India to visit or play against them in their home. This being the case, it does not come as a surprise that the SA board decided to slot in as many matches as possible, which perhaps it thought that the BCCI would accommodate.That the BCCI rightfully refused the ludicrous proposal of having 7 meaningless ODIs is what has created the impasse. Before blaming the BCCI everyone needs to take a look at this commercial factor. A series against SA does not create the same buzz in India as say with the Aussies or Pakistanis,whereas SA wants India to play as many matches as possible.

  • Sudhir65 on October 4, 2013, 6:49 GMT

    Seems very childish behavior if the report is true. BCCI has decided to punish the fans and cricket players who have repeatedly made statements that they are looking forward to playing with S. Africa.

  • PrasPunter on October 4, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    @Srini_Chennai, cricket is played just by a few nations and not even a global sport like the football ( where i can hardly remember a team from your nation making it to the WC ) . Even with cricket, your team is at a best an average one most of the time. So don't flatter yourself with the sort of thoughts mentioned here. When it comes to competition in an event like the Olympics, i found it hard to find a mention about india in the medals table most of the time !!!

  • PrasPunter on October 4, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    @Hayden_Field, dont think ICC has the spine to do that. It is the BCCI that calls the shots nowadays. Pity that other than the ECB , none, even the CA, has the guts to stand-up. It's all about money.

  • martin000 on October 4, 2013, 6:36 GMT

    @everyone who are blaming BCCI, Will you do a BIG favour to your poor friend who has joined hands with your biggest enemy? No one does.. Simple.. people can simply say its the game of cricket which is dying... but its not just the ego of some business people, its the pride of the entire nation which is at stake. CSA has done a mistake in announcing the schedule before appointing Lorgat. But now he is the one who is in the responsible postion to take the decision, talk to BCCI and sort the issue. But he is waiting for his RICH friend to come and talk to him which is never gonna happen. Now BCCI has announced tat they are waiting which is a good thing for CSA to keep aside their ego and sort this issue.

  • AmitKumarMishra on October 4, 2013, 6:35 GMT

    everyone has commented about BCCI and the way they are showing their arrogance. I am not supporting BCCI, But what about CSA? why they have been silent over last few months since this impasse surfaced? they are also doing nothing. finger crossed, hopefully it will sortout and we may see atleast 3 tests..

  • satishchandar on October 4, 2013, 6:32 GMT

    @Suresh Kulkarni : People consult even with likes of Zimbabwe before publicly announcing the fixtures. It has to be agreed by both parties. What made CSA announce a tourney which was not yet approved by the counterpart? It is NOT the hometeam that approves but both teams. CSA - Read Lorgat(as usually) was arrogant in this regard and put BCCI into such position..

  • Ramesh_Joseph on October 4, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    So let me get this straight. There are people here saying that BCCI has no right to decide whom Team India plays and how many matches. CSA makes a schedule and BCCI has to obey them? Amazing. Even CSA has accepted that the FTP is not binding and BTW BCCI is not a signatory to the FTP. Both NZ and England announced the Indian team Itinerary only after the Indian Board approved it. It is quite clear that Lorgat was trying to act smart and the BCCI just outsmarted them. I think a lot of people on this site just go after the BCCI, whatever happens. Imagine how people would have reacted if BCCI had announced a tour program without the concurrence of CSA.

  • on October 4, 2013, 6:11 GMT

    @Posted by Nutcutlet on (October 4, 2013, 5:06 GMT):

    Dear Nutcutlet: Fortunately there are plenty of genuine cricket lovers in both SA & India; with both eyes. Yes, a few cockeyed ones on both sides are making a bad situation (created by ego-maniacs in both the Administration) worse, through their thoughtless / jingoistic / immature / uninformed comments. Agree with you.

    Hope some sane people take over and untie the Gordian knot!

  • Marktc on October 4, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    I think it is important to acknowledge who the real victims are here, Cricket, Players and supporters. CSA may have announced an unauthorised tour and had the nerve to be independent and appoint a head that does not suite the BCCI, but this little stubborn display by both sides is doing nothing to help cricket. If the ICC cannot step in, what are they really there for? We have a toothless mother body who has no say into cricket in essence. Both the BCCI and CSA should jump off their little thrones and come back down to the people they are hurting.

  • on October 4, 2013, 5:51 GMT

    What do people mean here by saying Future Tours Programme is nonsense??? There is no bigger nonsense than BCCI. All those who believe that the tour is about to be cancelled because CSA did not consult BCCI about scheduling are naive..Its purely due to big egos of BCCI hotshots. How else will you explain such ambiguous comments like 'BCCI is waitng", 'It will benice if Lorgat apologises' etc without specifying FOR WHAT???

  • on October 4, 2013, 5:48 GMT

    ICC - Drop India and not allow them any international cricket for a couple of years. No one team should be allowed to make the rules to suit themselves. Only reason this team is ranked where it is.

  • on October 4, 2013, 5:40 GMT

    The problems with cricket in large part lie with these governing bodies. At the apex we have the ICC a toothless overseer. It is overshadowed by BCCI who control the money in the game and seem to be involved in most of the controversy. Whether it be corruption, rivalries among board members or slights and disputes with other nation's boards. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Is the BCCI any worse than the dominant English ruling boards of the past? Possibly not. Today there is far more media scrutiny and a greater revelation about what is going on. In days past much of the murky dealings would have been hidden in cigar smoke filled board rooms.

  • on October 4, 2013, 5:37 GMT

    BCCI is ruining the game of Cricket.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 4, 2013, 5:36 GMT

    @Albert_cambell. But in the last tour two fast bowlers from India (sreeshant and Zak) gone thru great SA line up and won the match for India. Styen and co. got bagful runs not wickets!lol

  • genuineIndianFan on October 4, 2013, 5:34 GMT

    This is pure ego, I would say, between two heavyweights which cannot be good for cricket. Whatever be the internal matters, cricket lovers do want to enjoy an India-SA series in full - at least three test matches. They can cut down the ODIs, no problem.

    I am concerned because BCCI might bring SL as an alternative. As an indian fan, I want to see India playing abroad. Besides, an India-SL cricket match is hard to digest nowdays - truly fed up.

  • duncanmoo on October 4, 2013, 5:30 GMT

    @Srini_Chennai I can not understand why any cricket lover would be happy with this. Cricket is played on the field not in the boardroom, administrators are meant to facilitate not obstruct. I personally am sick of this whole business, makes me not want to visit CricInfo.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 4, 2013, 5:30 GMT

    It was an arrogant decision by CSA to announce the tour program its own with out consulting the visitor!.Indians are not living in British era, they have own administrators and own rights. What if it was Australia or Eng were the visiting teams? I hope CSA will understand their mistakes and discuss and finalize it in a polite manner.

  • on October 4, 2013, 5:28 GMT

    BCCI is afraid about Indian team .we know south African team how good they are at home. so that's why BCCI creating problems with CSA .Trying to avoid South Africa tour

  • Nutcutlet on October 4, 2013, 5:06 GMT

    Those Indians who point the finger at Lorgat/CSA, like thoese Saffers the point at the BCCI high command are behaving with their typical one-eyed lack of perspective. It should be obvious to all concerned that the impasse exists because both parties are culpable & neither puts the game ahead of the cricketing interests of both nations. The rest of us, mere neutrals, can see this. But then we have perspective -- because we have two eyes! I echo my previous post: grow up, all concerned! Your pettiness & immature behaviour impresses no one - neither do we care a toss about your precious egos.

  • on October 4, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    LOL Rohan, you're right yar. The world can see what BCCI is capable of. Negotiations happen open in the air with 200% transparency (negotiations until done is always ugly to go into details). Investigations happen in dark shade.

  • srinideva on October 4, 2013, 4:56 GMT

    @mattandy, then why you are whining here my friend...You're right. BCCI have no rights to say who to pick as a Ceo of CSA..then cricket south africa have no rights to choose how many matches india have to play in your country....FTP is a nonsense...australia and england toured zimbabwe a decade ago, i think...? You can chose whomever you want as official of your country but you have no right to command another country to play in your country for the benefit of your finance.Fair point...wake up pro.

  • sps21 on October 4, 2013, 4:54 GMT

    what a flimsy excuse!! simply shameful!!

  • hems4cric on October 4, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    Oh.. So CSA didn't discuss with BCCI before announcing the itinerary... So BIG B is angry.. Ridiculous... I used to fight with kids like this when i was a 4 yr old... Chuck it BCCI, everybody knows that CSA didnt heed to what you wanted them to do and you want to show them who is the boss... just a matter of time this will change..

    @burner1985: Dude, seriously? You think very high of BCCI than us Indians itself. Do you really think BCCI cares if the team loses overseas.. only thing they are bothered about is money and their inflated egos...

  • on October 4, 2013, 4:39 GMT

    Since the appontment of Lorgat BCCI looking for trouble with CSA. What make a fuss about annoucement of tour by CSA. Play the gentleman's game in its merit. Forget little mnatters just to find excusess. There more things to sort in BCCI than small issues likt annoucement of tour.

  • Srini_Indian on October 4, 2013, 4:32 GMT

    The article is about CSA announcing the schedule without consultation with BCCI. But lot of posters, as usual, bashing BCCI for it. Hear you jealousy folks, CSA showed its arrogance by not consulting with BCCI. CSA started the mess. You gonna pay for your mistakes. If Indian tour is cancelled, I'm gonna love the fact that CSA is gonna go back to stone age. Go BCCI

  • Gutters on October 4, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    @ mattandy and all the others out there that are beating out their chests saying that SA does not need India... I am a South African and this was always going to happen. India are flexing their muscles here and in the end CSA wil cave in. They have no other choice. The downside to not having India is upworth of 150 million Rand and losing that will affect cricket right down to grass roots level. The CSA officials know that I you will see CSA doing whatever is necessary for this tour to take place. (Even if morally it is wrong). India are the powerhouses. They have the money. They have the support and they can dictate and everyone knows that. Without India, world cricket would be a much less happier place. They bring in the cash that everyone needs.Bottom line.

  • sharidas on October 4, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    And to think, these are the administrators of the game in a country ! Is this not something which can be sorted out over a few coffees ? I, as a cricket enthusiast, feels that we are made to suffer purely due to the ego clashes of a few individuals.

  • Srini_Indian on October 4, 2013, 4:26 GMT

    @mattandy: Go and say this to CSA. If India doesn't tour, your board is gonna end up in huge loss and may take 10 years to restore normality. Face it dear, Cricket is a business. Wake up and smell the coffin. Face it, without India there is no game of Cricket. Don't flatter yourself.

  • on October 4, 2013, 4:14 GMT

    Only option left is to have a test series with Sri Lanka to offset all damages.

  • fineprint on October 4, 2013, 4:03 GMT

    CSA broke protocol, created impasse - that is the point

  • on October 4, 2013, 3:45 GMT

    those who mess with BCCI wont be able to survive their decisions... BCCI is above ICC always with power and money...

  • mattandy on October 4, 2013, 3:29 GMT

    @Posted by Shubh Shankar on (October 3, 2013, 18:53 GMT), Honestly, my friend Your Board does not have any Authority to tell us who to elect as our CSA Chief. Go and use your bullying to some one else!!!! Frankly my dear we don't give a damn whether you come to play us or not, your bullying would backfire with us!!!!!

  • on October 4, 2013, 3:21 GMT

    Lorgat should resign as Srinivasan is elected as BCCI prez. The new CEO of CSA should negotiate with BCCI. I was really looking forward to this series..

  • burner1985 on October 4, 2013, 3:01 GMT

    I simply see this as a tactic by the BCCI to avoid India being thrashed abroad. Money talks, nobody wants to rock the boat and upset the BCCI. This is what happens when administrators are businessman and not cricketers.

  • cnksnk on October 4, 2013, 2:16 GMT

    Ok. So some one in CSA screwed up and announced the tour itenerary without BCCIs consent. So for how long will Mr patel proposing to hold this against CSA. MR Patel, it is sad people with no sense of what the fans want are occupying positions of responsibility. Since you do not seem to be aware of the first principles of sales and marketing, pl realise -give what the customer (fans) want. No one wants another aimless tour with SL. The world wants atleast 3 if not 4 tests with CSA. You are only a custodian of the game. get the tour organised rather than waiting. Wake up and smell the coffee.

  • roversgate on October 4, 2013, 1:01 GMT

    For everyone saying that Lorgat's appointment is why BCCI has taken this stance and they are right in doing so: BOTH PARTIES ARE WRONG. If BCCI was against the appointment of Lorgat, then they can opt not to schedule any more bilateral series with South Africa but backing away from an already scheduled tour is most definitely incorrect. BCCI should have opted a while back to shorten this tour to 3 tests, 3 ODIS and 2 T20s and made it clear to CSA that they will not be scheduling any more tours with South Africa as long as Lorgat remains on the board. Plain and simple without disturbing the game for the fans. What both boards are doing right now is childish.

  • vigneshmurali on October 4, 2013, 0:46 GMT

    need to go on wit ind vs sa need to c indias new top order against best pace attack in the world

  • on October 4, 2013, 0:41 GMT

    Both parties should get down from their high horses; and salvage a great contest, for the sake of cricket and cricket lovers.

    By the way, no one is scared of playing cricket against anybody; stop that non-nonsense. Talk like adults.

    Both Boards have to accept the reality, as it has evolved. WI's tour to India and India's tour to NZ are facts which can not be erased (thanks to Lorgat's inaction for more than months). Those who argue to go back to the original number of matches with SA live in an unreal world..

    But it will be foolish to lose the remaining window too. Is is wide enough to accommodate at least 3 Tests and a couple of T-20s and may be 1 or 2 practice matches. ODI series can be arranged at the very next available opportunity. To both parties with inflated egos, I appeal: Don't hurt Cricket. Don't deprive genuine cricket lovers and the cricketers of both countries, with 'lovers quarrel' kind of behavior. Even now something meaningful can be salvaged. Make a move fast"

  • RG2008 on October 4, 2013, 0:39 GMT

    Absolutely agree with SurlyCynic it is none of India's business who CSA appoint - seems like a blatant case of playing the man not the ball. The suggestion that India might get found out on SA pitches also has a degree of merit - India were never this timid under Ganguly. No other country has complained about Srinivasan despite what seems to have been written about his slightly dubious past. If the BCI were serious about finding a solution then they wouldn't keep making such inflamatory public comments.

  • fuente on October 4, 2013, 0:31 GMT

    Again BCCI is using it powers to manipulate cricket. How long will it continue to do that. This is not right for the game of cricket and the million of cricket fans. This is dictatorship in its highest form.

    BCCI is out of place to tell another board who to elect as president. Not even the ICC can tell BCCI what to do. So how comes they wanna dictate to CSA who to elect as president.

  • Amit_4_Sachin on October 4, 2013, 0:03 GMT

    BCCI is clearly justified in opposing (Lorgat), as the first thing he did after appointment was to announce the schedule unilaterally.

  • on October 3, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    its a slippery slope once you let power mad people call the shots. cricket can't afford for a bunch of individuals to make irrational decisions that impact on the whole game. The Future Tours Programme must remain at the heart of the international fixture programme

  • JPrats on October 3, 2013, 22:35 GMT

    So it is not the dates which was a problem, just the protocol is it??? Good joke! Come on BCCI you are there to regulate and bridge the needs of fans and the players. You don't worry about millions of fans waiting for ages for this tour and just worry about your ego? Grow up and bring on the tour, this is turning as a personal vendetta rather than as a conflict between two boards!

  • JustIPL on October 3, 2013, 22:21 GMT

    Situation is very interesting as all non indian fans think that it will be one more whitewash tendulkar will again get out on greentops but in fact india have replenished their batting stocks as compared to windies and aussies who could not fill the spaces left by the greats for years. Also, india has very capable bowling options so another whitewash is remote. All indian fans also feel the same and want to test indian bowling and batting talents against the top ranking test team and they rightly believe that next whitewash is not possible. India are due to play five tests in england next tour so are not running away from test cricket. Lorgat appointment and tendulkar's 200 tests seem to be the reasons as india want to see off their great hero at home and SA should have realised this before finalising the tour schedule.

  • on October 3, 2013, 21:49 GMT

    Hope the revenue generated by the 3 World Xi test series will be suffice to pay the players match fees and other logistics otherwise CSA is sure to go bankrupt, every nation has its own busy schedule so we should expect even if such a series happens would be played by second rated cricketers although we may call it WorldXI and which board would dare to send their men trying to make a move displeasing BCCI #Might is right #IPL rockz. Sorry for all test cricket enthusiasts expecting good test cricket please be satisfied with ashes or please go ahead with WorldXI tour

  • Nutcutlet on October 3, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    In all of this emotion, offended pride, insulted egos & what-not, it's clear that men of good intentions should be able to sort it out. Now, just suppose the original tour itinerary submitted to the BCCI back in July, was regarded as a basis for negotiation. Perhaps it was, but, if so, that has been left unsaid. July was quite a few weeks ago, during which time the impasse has been allowed to grow into some sort of article of faith! For heaven's sake - grow up, all those concerned! Just behave like mature adults. It also helps if all parties are quite clear in what they mean. By this I mean that if Sanjay Patel says the BCCI is "waiting" without making explicit just what or who is being waited for then the communication with anyone, let alone CSA/Lorgat, has failed through SP's incompleted statement. Does SP mean waiting for Srinivasan to get his all-clear from the court to discharge his duties as BCCI chief, or is it a waiting on a CSA reschedule for the BCCI's consideration? Phew!

  • IndianSRTfan on October 3, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    CSA broke the protocol, true. But BCCI's is certainly as much if not more responsible for the 'impasse' part of this increasingly frustrating debacle. Worse part is that there seem to be (at least on the face of it) no negotiations/discussions of any kind going on between two boards.

    What on earth are they waiting for? Enough with this already!! Surely it can't be that CSA are playing a waiting game as they must be desperate to get clarification on tour by now? Or is it that the BCCI want a long and public apology from CSA seemingly for the unilateral tour schedule announcement but in reality for the Lorgat appointment?

    I hope the Supreme Court announces a verdict on 7th one way or the other so there is no excuse for talks to not go ahead and we can have a series to watch rather than these power shenanigans. I'd say a 3 tests, 3 ODIs tour would be ideal but at this point even 2 tests and 3 ODIs would do rather than a cancelled tour.

  • nervousnineties on October 3, 2013, 21:06 GMT

    BCCI is once again behaving in an infuriating and unreasonable manner.

    Perhaps it is time for CSA to say "Thanks very much, we'll try again next time" and then organize a World XI Tour: A 3-Test Series of World XI Stars would be quite appealing I think.

  • SurlyCynic on October 3, 2013, 20:55 GMT

    Shubh Shankar: You blame CSA for appointing Lorgat. I have an honest question for you: would you find it acceptable if another nation told India who to appoint as head of the BCCI? I think BOTH boards need to put aside their personal arguments and remember that they are representing millions of cricket fans who want to see this tour go ahead!

    There is not enough top-class test cricket as it is, with only a few nations up to standard, arguments like this are the last thing we need.

  • willsrustynuts on October 3, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    This is so pathetic that it can only mean that the BCCI are trying to protect their product from being diminished by repeated thrashings on the pitch. The BCCI cannot afford another whitewash, the fans will begin to ask why they are paying so much for so little.

  • mihir_nam on October 3, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    Dominating BCCi they have gone through their FTP ...not like you scheduling West Indies in Middle ..Just using big name for his 200 test..if u ask him he would never say that he wants to play in India..he is true cricketer( though not my all time fav) but still don't blame on Sachin's 200th test and cancel RSA tour cause they elected Logart don't peep into others affairs ..u elected Srini again no board objected .. We want fair decision

  • willsrustynuts on October 3, 2013, 20:33 GMT

    This is so pathetic that it can only mean that the BCCI are trying to protect their product from being diminished by repeated thrashings on the pitch. The BCCI cannot afford another whitewash, the fans will begin to ask why they are paying so much for so little.

  • on October 3, 2013, 20:04 GMT

    This isn't fault of CSA or BCCI. Logat secured this post by presenting a letter from IS Bindra to CSA giving them an impression that the current BCCI leadership will be overthrown this year and he has full support of the incoming bosses. What Logat did is morally questionable, just like the things he when he held office at ICC.

  • on October 3, 2013, 19:21 GMT

    one of the most awaited tour is looming to be cancelled disastrous for the game, such an important should not be jeopardised by BCCI, v sad.

  • on October 3, 2013, 19:15 GMT

    @ThyrSaadam: Why should players take that step. Look at the amount of good BCCI has done for Indian cricketers. They are the best paid and very well looked af. Not only present day internationals but also ex-players and first class players.

  • on October 3, 2013, 19:06 GMT

    The BCCI warned CSA not to appoint Lorgat....CSA didnt listen,lets see how many international tournaments we get to host until he has departed. The bad blood between Lorgat and BCCI is going to rob the SA cricket fans of a good deal of cricket.

  • on October 3, 2013, 18:53 GMT

    When you take a risk,you should accept the consequences that come along with it as well.CSA decided to snub BCCI by appointing Haroon Lorgat.They were the ones who broke the alliance that existed between the two boards.Not sure why they are blaming BCCI now.

  • Nampally on October 3, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    I think traditionally it has always been the Home team that came out with a Tour schedule within the given dates. This is because, they have to arrange with each state holding the matches for availability of the grounds & admin. staff to conduct the match. The proposed Itinerary then is sent to the visiting team for approval & agreement. If the visitors have an objection, they can always raise it & adjust the program. Indian Tour of England (2 years back) had just 2 friendlies before the Tests. Why did India not protest against it? Even this year both England & NZ's proposed their itinerary & were accepted by India without any changes How was the SA tour proposal any different to what ECB Or NZCB did? The fact of the matter is: Politics of individual personalities & one upmanship came ahead of the National Cricket interests. That is the real reason which is mysteriously hidden. As a Cricket fan I feel India should play 3 Tests + 3 ODI's as a minimum for tour to be realistic.

  • on October 3, 2013, 18:50 GMT

    @Allan716 it is not about a joint announcement it is about both sides agreeing to the schedule before it is announced. However, my sympathies are with Charlie101's comment - both boards should be sacked. The schedule for this tour should have been agreed a year ago.

  • gsingh7 on October 3, 2013, 18:38 GMT

    @albert-- in last series vs sa sachin was highest averaging batsmen in whole series. even ur great morkel and styen played in it. also sachin became first cricketer to score 200 runs in limited over game in history against sa pace attack. if i am not wrong styen was on receiving end of that assault as well. ur theory is flawed one.

  • on October 3, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    i dnt care if they dnt play t20 or ODIs.. i'd like to see atleast 3tests to be played in SA.. Hope BCCI n CSA wud find a way out of this deadlock.. for the love of cricket....

  • SamRoy on October 3, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    @Obayed Ullah Do you know what BCCI will do if ICC takes action against BCCI? It will create its own World Championships (US style) and do you know what will happen to the rest of the boards except ECB and CA? All of them will become bankrupt (starting with SLC and PCB) !!

  • sachin_vvsfan on October 3, 2013, 18:24 GMT

    @Albert_cambell Give it a rest. It is rather getting boring. As much as i admire steyn i do not believe he has good record against sachin (although i have not checked the stats. I remember his 2 tons against SA last tour and even in ODIS his double hundred and WC century should put him well above his peers. And remember it is the same ground for the opposition too where your batsmen dont do that well against Indian pacers .

  • Stateside_Steve on October 3, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    Canceling the tour would be disastrous. India should go ahead and play 3ODIs 1 T20, 1 Tour match and 3 tests (or 2 )in that order. Anything more than that is overkill.

  • Albert_cambell on October 3, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    @SurlyCynic. I am sad that this tour cancelled. Our bowlers could have taken easy wickets and improved their averages. Sachin is a a god in flat tracks, but not in green tracks against world class bowlers like Steyn.

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    And there is nothing wrong with CSA making a schedule of its own and announcing it unilaterally? In these days of non stop travel/cricket, how do you draw up a scheduel fo 7ODIs and 3 Tests and 1 ODI? What is the point in playing 7 ODIs criss crossing acrossing across the country, wearing out the visinting team and diluting the Test match performance. Just for the record India has won Test matches in SA on a regular basis. Yes I am aware Australia is playing 7ODIs but there are no Test matches and it was a MUTUALLY AGREED schedule.

  • Charlie101 on October 3, 2013, 16:47 GMT

    Both boards are at fault and should be sacked for bringing our wonderful game into disrepute

  • Allan716 on October 3, 2013, 16:46 GMT

    The ECB and Cricket Australia have already announced the summer schedule for 2014 in their respective countries and India is featuring in both their calendars. Was this done as a joint announcement?

  • SurlyCynic on October 3, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    Does anyone really believe that the tour has been shortened and may be canceled because of the timing of the schedule announcement? Come on, this is clearly punishment for appointing Lorgat against the orders of the BCCI.

    A pity, we fans want to see these two top teams playing tests! Remember how good it was to see Steyn v Sachin in Cape Town last time?

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:31 GMT

    icc is useless because they don't take any action against bcci

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    we all should boycott bcci and series should arrange with other country

  • ashok16 on October 3, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    The local fans will be fine without any cricket. This will be peak movie season anyway. BCCI is more worried about its TV contracts.

  • ThyrSaadam on October 3, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    BCCI needs to loose its power for the good of not just india cricket but work cricket. I think it should start with team India players, they should play for India and not BCCI, and should take responsibility for that decision. Something to the drastic measure of we wouldn't play until BCCI is dissolved,all it takes a revolution...Now if only the players took that step!

  • SamRoy on October 3, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    What BCCI has said is correct legally. It was a basic mistake from CSA. You can't finalize a series without both boards agreeing to the schedule. No fault on BCCI's part if you look at it legally. From a cricketing perspective we want to see young Indian batsman face upto Steyn, Morkel and Philander (and possibly De Lange/Abbott/Viljoen/Hendricks as well). They may fail (and most probably they will) but it will be an important learning experience in their development as batsman.

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:09 GMT

    CSA and Haroon Lorgat have created this mess by breaking protocol and announcing the schedule without consulting their partners i.e. BCCI

    Even after all this Haroon Lorgat is posturing and not trying to mend the relationship, CSA board should fire Lorgat for creating massive losses to CSA which will affect SA cricket financially for many years to come.

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    bcci playing with the fans..fans were so excited to see a long tour of south africa buit all dreams has been broken by bcci..without fans game is nothing..don play with fan's expectations.

  • SurlyCynic on October 3, 2013, 15:54 GMT

    Apparently CSA had emails from the BCCI agreeing to the tour dates, but had also been warned that appointing Lorgat would "affect our friendship and cost you money". They did appoint Lorgat, and are now being punished by the BCCI for not doing what they were told.

    It's quite sad, I just want to see two of the best teams in the world play each other in an exciting series, the last time India toured SA we had some great battles, like the Steyn v Tendulkar session.

  • Gevelsis on October 3, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    Power has certainly gone to the heads of BCCI. Cricket fans from all over the world are sick to death with their posturing. BCCI have at this moment the perfect opportunity to silence that criticism by re-instating the SA tour in full or with a third test in place of the 6th and 7th ODIs. For the sake of the fans, will they take it?

  • Gevelsis on October 3, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    Power has certainly gone to the heads of BCCI. Cricket fans from all over the world are sick to death with their posturing. BCCI have at this moment the perfect opportunity to silence that criticism by re-instating the SA tour in full or with a third test in place of the 6th and 7th ODIs. For the sake of the fans, will they take it?

  • SurlyCynic on October 3, 2013, 15:54 GMT

    Apparently CSA had emails from the BCCI agreeing to the tour dates, but had also been warned that appointing Lorgat would "affect our friendship and cost you money". They did appoint Lorgat, and are now being punished by the BCCI for not doing what they were told.

    It's quite sad, I just want to see two of the best teams in the world play each other in an exciting series, the last time India toured SA we had some great battles, like the Steyn v Tendulkar session.

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:05 GMT

    bcci playing with the fans..fans were so excited to see a long tour of south africa buit all dreams has been broken by bcci..without fans game is nothing..don play with fan's expectations.

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:09 GMT

    CSA and Haroon Lorgat have created this mess by breaking protocol and announcing the schedule without consulting their partners i.e. BCCI

    Even after all this Haroon Lorgat is posturing and not trying to mend the relationship, CSA board should fire Lorgat for creating massive losses to CSA which will affect SA cricket financially for many years to come.

  • SamRoy on October 3, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    What BCCI has said is correct legally. It was a basic mistake from CSA. You can't finalize a series without both boards agreeing to the schedule. No fault on BCCI's part if you look at it legally. From a cricketing perspective we want to see young Indian batsman face upto Steyn, Morkel and Philander (and possibly De Lange/Abbott/Viljoen/Hendricks as well). They may fail (and most probably they will) but it will be an important learning experience in their development as batsman.

  • ThyrSaadam on October 3, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    BCCI needs to loose its power for the good of not just india cricket but work cricket. I think it should start with team India players, they should play for India and not BCCI, and should take responsibility for that decision. Something to the drastic measure of we wouldn't play until BCCI is dissolved,all it takes a revolution...Now if only the players took that step!

  • ashok16 on October 3, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    The local fans will be fine without any cricket. This will be peak movie season anyway. BCCI is more worried about its TV contracts.

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    we all should boycott bcci and series should arrange with other country

  • on October 3, 2013, 16:31 GMT

    icc is useless because they don't take any action against bcci

  • SurlyCynic on October 3, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    Does anyone really believe that the tour has been shortened and may be canceled because of the timing of the schedule announcement? Come on, this is clearly punishment for appointing Lorgat against the orders of the BCCI.

    A pity, we fans want to see these two top teams playing tests! Remember how good it was to see Steyn v Sachin in Cape Town last time?