IPL 2012 May 20, 2012

No need for immediate post-mortem - Ganguly

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Sourav Ganguly, the Pune Warriors captain, has said the side does not need an immediate post-mortem after their disastrous IPL season ended on Saturday with a ninth consecutive defeat, to Kolkata Knight Riders. Warriors won only four matches in 2012, the same as in their maiden season in 2011, out of 16 and finished last.

"Any post-mortem that needs to be done should be done after some time," Ganguly said. "Right now, the boys need to get away from here and go back to their respective homes. It's very hard for them too. They have been selected to win matches and that hasn't happened. It's a new franchise and things will only get better from here on. We need to look at a lot of things like team selection."

Wayne Parnell, the South Africa and Warriors fast bowler, said that wrong selection and injuries to key players were major reasons for the franchise's poor showing. "There are a number of factors. We have missed Yuvi [Yuvraj Singh]. We have had key guys injured throughout the season. Graeme Smith has been injured. [Ashok] Dinda started off really well, picked up an injury and has been out for some time. I think Murali Kartik's back stiffened up; Alfonso Thomas is injured as well. That combined with probably picking the wrong teams for certain pitches.

"At the end of the day we are professional cricketers and on every wicket we need to try and win games but this season we have been really, really poor. I thought last year we had injuries to local players, especially fast bowlers, which set us back a bit. I honestly thought we would do better [this season]. We showed that in our first few games. We then lost a few tight games and it went pear-shaped from there."

Robin Uthappa, the Warriors wicketkeeper and highest run-getter this season, believed that the Pune pitch also added to the side's woes. "It's the toughest wicket we have played in the country and it's very difficult to score runs here. Hopefully, it gets better and we have belters next season."

With his side struggling, Ganguly's individual performance also drew criticism. He scored 268 runs from 15 innings but was unable to accelerate with a strike-rate of 98.89. Parnell said that while having Ganguly's experience in the squad had been "massive", it did not matter who played as long as he performed. "It does not matter who you have in the team, whether you have Sourav Ganguly or a 20-year old Indian guy, if he is going to score runs or take wickets you got to pick him."

Uthappa said Ganguly had done the best he could do. "You have to respect his age well. It's the format that is most challenging for someone of his age," Uthappa told iplt20.com. "He has done a wonderful job for us in whatever capacity he could."

Uthappa also said Warriors were involved in several close games but could not finish them. "There were so many games where we won 35 overs out of 40 … we played close games this year, but on the whole, we were bad. As a unit, we never felt we were not up to the mark. We had quality players, we were a very strong side, but somehow results never showed that. Even the atmosphere in the dressing room was very positive. We lost games by five runs or seven runs, even by one run. Those kinds of defeats hit you hard. We couldn't come back from there.

Warriors had let their supporters down, Uthappa said, after they came out in large numbers in Pune despite their franchise losing consistently. "We want to apologise to the people in Pune. Even the afternoon games were full and they didn't mind coming to support us in insane heat. There were so many times that we kept telling ourselves that lets win games for them, they sit in so much heat and support us."

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  • on May 23, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    They picked Tamim Iqbal who was in great form in Asia cup but did not give him any chances to play any single matches. Nobody can reply the reason.............This is rubish

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    Gautham Gambhir since you have revolutionased this team from the the worst IPL team to the one of the best teams of IPL you will always be remembered by All Kolkata Knight Riders Fans forever and you will be remembered more than Sourav Ganguly

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:38 GMT

    I am continuing Even though i have told all these things about him he is my favourite player because he was one of India's biggest icons in cricket and is India's second most succesful captain and since he played for Pune Warriors India,Pune Warriors India is my second Favourite IPL team,Kolkata Knight Riders being my First Favourite IPL Team If he had just thought of his career he would have played well and captained his team well and i would guarantee that Sourav Ganguly would have been Back to his old IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders as a player as he would be traded for some another Kolkata Knight Riders Player.But Bad luck Dada hope he can play for Pune Warriors India Ever since Gautham Gambhir joined Kolkata Knight Riders he has revolutionalised the team and from the worst team of IPL during the Sourav Ganguly era.Gautham Gambhir with his batting skills and Captaincy Skills has made Kolkata Knight Riders one of the best teams of IPL.

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    I am continuing He was a shabby captain in the field also as his team came last in the IPL 2012 and indicating that whichever team he is in that team always performs badly because of his measly strike rates,Defensive Test Cricket Batting Skills,Captaincy skills as all of you have seen how he has lead Kolkata Knight Riders and Pune Warriors India. But all this embarrsement would not have happened if he had proved to the world that he still has cricket in him by playing well in the IPL 2012 season by scoring heavily guranteeing himself a place in the Top 5 highest run getting list and should have lead Pune Warriors to the Finals Then even if he was to become a mentor after all these things Kolkata Knight Riders would have requested Pune Warriors India to trade him for some good player of Kolkata Knight Riders and he would get a chance to play for Kolkata Knight Riders in IPL 6 2012 and would have retired from all forms of cricket by retiring from Kolkata Knight Riders his home team

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:22 GMT

    I am continuing 4.In all the 3 IPL season when Ganguly played for Kolkata Knight Riders he was defensive and even though he provided good knocks they were not of a good strike rate but of an average strike rate excluding 3 or 4 knocks like the 91 against Hydrebad Deccan Chargers at 2008. Because of these mistakes commited by Sourav Ganguly SRK and his staff decided that they will not pick up Ganguly because of the way he bats in a defensive way and scoring at a measly strike rate and because his captaincy skills were horrible when he captained Kolkata Knight Riders But the Almighty decided that let Sourav Ganguly be given another chance and he got roped by the Pune Warriors India But even though he played for Pune Warriors India in IPL 4 and IPL 5 he played shabbily in both the seasons and at a measly strike rate of 84.743 in IPL 2011 and 98.89 strike rate in IPL 2012 which is very bad for a player like him

  • PerfectTen on May 22, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    There's no need at all for Ganguly to do any postmortem here. He is not going to be there for PWI in any capacity next year. Even if he is compelled to talk about the reasons for the debacle, he would talk of everything but his own failure as a player & leader. If Sahara is really interested in debugging this team, they should start by distancing Mr. Ganguly from anything to do with this franchise. SRK did the best thing by giving the reins to Gambhir and more importantly, NOT keeping Sourav around. If team India enjoyed some success for an extended period, it was because Sourav was away.

  • on May 22, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    Gangully is a panoti. His captaincy has been worst for KKR and now for Pune Warriors. Once he left KKR, Gambhir has turned around that Franchise who is now in play offs. During Gangully KKR was a joke the same joke is PW now. Just sack him. he is a overhyped captain. He was never that good and was make to look good.

  • Dani174 on May 22, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Dear Dada, I am always a big fan of you, will you please tell, why Tamim was not tested even a match? what was happened inside warriors?

  • Meety on May 22, 2012, 2:18 GMT

    This is what goes wrong with Indian cricket. "Any post-mortem that needs to be done should be done after some time" - that is absolutely wrong! A "post mortem" (sporting terms), should be started immediately, it does not have to be completed immediately, but the process MUST start straight away. The Indian test team had no post mortem after their shellacking in England - no need was the cry! They had some VERY minor succsesses during the home season & then rolled or waddled over to Oz & got spanked again - still no significant investigation! There is less than a year remaining before the next season starts - how long before Ganguly thinks an investigation needs to be started? (After he signs a lush coaching contract?).

  • naina11 on May 21, 2012, 23:48 GMT

    Contd.When Kapil Dev captained the team the conditions were bad . When dada captained conditions were worse and now when dhoni is captaining all is good. if Dhoni, Virat cannot make their teams to play offs convincingly with the teams they have i can foresee the results if they have teams like PWI and DC... Dada's captaincy did not worked in IPL. its plain simple. no need to bash him like he is worse.

  • on May 23, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    They picked Tamim Iqbal who was in great form in Asia cup but did not give him any chances to play any single matches. Nobody can reply the reason.............This is rubish

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:41 GMT

    Gautham Gambhir since you have revolutionased this team from the the worst IPL team to the one of the best teams of IPL you will always be remembered by All Kolkata Knight Riders Fans forever and you will be remembered more than Sourav Ganguly

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:38 GMT

    I am continuing Even though i have told all these things about him he is my favourite player because he was one of India's biggest icons in cricket and is India's second most succesful captain and since he played for Pune Warriors India,Pune Warriors India is my second Favourite IPL team,Kolkata Knight Riders being my First Favourite IPL Team If he had just thought of his career he would have played well and captained his team well and i would guarantee that Sourav Ganguly would have been Back to his old IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders as a player as he would be traded for some another Kolkata Knight Riders Player.But Bad luck Dada hope he can play for Pune Warriors India Ever since Gautham Gambhir joined Kolkata Knight Riders he has revolutionalised the team and from the worst team of IPL during the Sourav Ganguly era.Gautham Gambhir with his batting skills and Captaincy Skills has made Kolkata Knight Riders one of the best teams of IPL.

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    I am continuing He was a shabby captain in the field also as his team came last in the IPL 2012 and indicating that whichever team he is in that team always performs badly because of his measly strike rates,Defensive Test Cricket Batting Skills,Captaincy skills as all of you have seen how he has lead Kolkata Knight Riders and Pune Warriors India. But all this embarrsement would not have happened if he had proved to the world that he still has cricket in him by playing well in the IPL 2012 season by scoring heavily guranteeing himself a place in the Top 5 highest run getting list and should have lead Pune Warriors to the Finals Then even if he was to become a mentor after all these things Kolkata Knight Riders would have requested Pune Warriors India to trade him for some good player of Kolkata Knight Riders and he would get a chance to play for Kolkata Knight Riders in IPL 6 2012 and would have retired from all forms of cricket by retiring from Kolkata Knight Riders his home team

  • on May 22, 2012, 20:22 GMT

    I am continuing 4.In all the 3 IPL season when Ganguly played for Kolkata Knight Riders he was defensive and even though he provided good knocks they were not of a good strike rate but of an average strike rate excluding 3 or 4 knocks like the 91 against Hydrebad Deccan Chargers at 2008. Because of these mistakes commited by Sourav Ganguly SRK and his staff decided that they will not pick up Ganguly because of the way he bats in a defensive way and scoring at a measly strike rate and because his captaincy skills were horrible when he captained Kolkata Knight Riders But the Almighty decided that let Sourav Ganguly be given another chance and he got roped by the Pune Warriors India But even though he played for Pune Warriors India in IPL 4 and IPL 5 he played shabbily in both the seasons and at a measly strike rate of 84.743 in IPL 2011 and 98.89 strike rate in IPL 2012 which is very bad for a player like him

  • PerfectTen on May 22, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    There's no need at all for Ganguly to do any postmortem here. He is not going to be there for PWI in any capacity next year. Even if he is compelled to talk about the reasons for the debacle, he would talk of everything but his own failure as a player & leader. If Sahara is really interested in debugging this team, they should start by distancing Mr. Ganguly from anything to do with this franchise. SRK did the best thing by giving the reins to Gambhir and more importantly, NOT keeping Sourav around. If team India enjoyed some success for an extended period, it was because Sourav was away.

  • on May 22, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    Gangully is a panoti. His captaincy has been worst for KKR and now for Pune Warriors. Once he left KKR, Gambhir has turned around that Franchise who is now in play offs. During Gangully KKR was a joke the same joke is PW now. Just sack him. he is a overhyped captain. He was never that good and was make to look good.

  • Dani174 on May 22, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Dear Dada, I am always a big fan of you, will you please tell, why Tamim was not tested even a match? what was happened inside warriors?

  • Meety on May 22, 2012, 2:18 GMT

    This is what goes wrong with Indian cricket. "Any post-mortem that needs to be done should be done after some time" - that is absolutely wrong! A "post mortem" (sporting terms), should be started immediately, it does not have to be completed immediately, but the process MUST start straight away. The Indian test team had no post mortem after their shellacking in England - no need was the cry! They had some VERY minor succsesses during the home season & then rolled or waddled over to Oz & got spanked again - still no significant investigation! There is less than a year remaining before the next season starts - how long before Ganguly thinks an investigation needs to be started? (After he signs a lush coaching contract?).

  • naina11 on May 21, 2012, 23:48 GMT

    Contd.When Kapil Dev captained the team the conditions were bad . When dada captained conditions were worse and now when dhoni is captaining all is good. if Dhoni, Virat cannot make their teams to play offs convincingly with the teams they have i can foresee the results if they have teams like PWI and DC... Dada's captaincy did not worked in IPL. its plain simple. no need to bash him like he is worse.

  • naina11 on May 21, 2012, 23:41 GMT

    Fact is Fact Dada is 2nd best captain of India after Kapil Dev, 9 losses on the trot and that too in a tournament like IPL is no big deal, Dhoni who is 3rd best captain of india lost 8 test matches on the trot and i hope u all know the difference between tests and IPL T20. PWI mgmt did the right thing in selecting him as a captain but it did not work. In a tournament like IPL u need atleast one charismatic player in a team like SRT for MI, RD for RR, Viru for DD, GG for KKR, Dhoni for CSK and Gilly for Kingsix, Gayle for RCB and Dada for PWI. PWI mgmt would have never made Dada captain if Yuvi was there and Dada is apt in the absence of Yuvi. All captains makes bad decisions some times and dada too did in this IPL but there were lot of matches where PWI could not won becoz of their batsman. compare Dada's stats in this IPL with many of our youngsters stats.. you would still see him better than those even at this age. Im sure PWI will bounceback with uvi as captain and dada as mentor

  • Rashik_Islam on May 21, 2012, 19:03 GMT

    I dont think so greg was right cz that situation was totally different but now it'll b better for pune if they dump him.Such a poor captaincy he has showed this year truly dissapointed and yes tamim should have been given a chance after that blistering form in asia cup.

  • habibullah_nishat on May 21, 2012, 16:42 GMT

    I think Ganguly definitely deserve respect he is one of the successful captain of india . dada is player of that reign when the team india falling down . mind it that he is the survivor of that time . ipl or any kind of twenty 20 league is a kind of super market full of best gadget . i agree that dada is little away from this kind of cricket . but at the time when early wicket fall and team straggling then player like ganguli , laxman , yousuf have the most needed thing that is experience . we are enjoying the game on tv or from stadium but they have play in the field . BUT THE MAIN THING THAT I WNT TO TELL THAT GANGULY SHOULD BATING AT NO-5 AND HE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO INCREASE HIS STRIKE RATE MINIMUM 120 . AND ALSO HAVE LISTEN TO OTHERS PLAYER . ALSO PUNE'S TEAM SELECTING WAS THE WORST OF THIS SEASON I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY GIVING CHANCE TO CULLUM FERGUSAN NO TAMIM .

  • aaa_Pava on May 21, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    Reading all comments. most of them are targeted DADA. Some of them are fare and some are not. Result was not better in either when DADA sat on bench for a match, or coming down the order (against KKR). in fact DADA innings was avoiding shameful defeat against KKR. as per me. the main problem of PWI was scoring rate of all batsman except Smith and no bolwer was able to take good number of tickets. PWI shown some fighting during middle of the tournament, totally gave up towards end. PWI can bounce back next season.

  • ToTellUTheTruth on May 21, 2012, 13:57 GMT

    Back off Dada people. He was not supposed to be playing this year. His role was that of a mentor. With Yuvi being out, Dada was roped in as Captain. Otherwise, Dada would have hardly played a couple of games. His defined role for 2012 with PWI was that of a mentor. Not a player/coach. Go check the past news. He did the best he could and will go back to his original role come next year. Now PWI have an able replacement for Yuvi in Steve Smith for captaincy.

  • AMAZINGFAN on May 21, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    people who criticised dhoni and praised ganguly should be ashamed.dhoni is the only indian captain who drew test series in sa.even ganguly had some great players like dravid,sachin,laxman but he didn't even won a test match as captain in sa.ganguly is arrogan and selfish.kkr did right by kicking out sourav.

  • anantxv on May 21, 2012, 13:09 GMT

    haven't seen a selfish goose so to say like this dada. post-mortem? he is the only culprit. has not used steve smith as a bowler, has not used manish pandey consistently, and has never given a chance to tamim iqbal, has used himself at top of the batting order, used himself into the team in all but one match, used himself as a bowler in a crisis.

  • on May 21, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    I love Saurav but I feel he is letting himself and everyone else down by still playing in the IPL. He looked out of sorts this season. It still surprises me why Tamim Iqbal was sitting on the bench the entire season. Their batting was just shambolic this season and Saurav needs to take the blame. If he was good enough, no one would have said anything, but lets face it, he is just hogging a spot in the pune batting order. I loved Saurav when he was playing for India, but he just doesn't belong to that level anymore. Pune need to learn a lesson from the likes of Kings XI Punjab and Rajasthan royals who don't have the big names, but play wonderfully as a unit and always punch above their weight. See you in the commentary box soon Dada and that is where your next innings should be.

  • on May 21, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    Poor selection overall right from the franchisee to captain to players..

  • cricket4every on May 21, 2012, 12:32 GMT

    Mr Roy.... i assure you that you pick up any Ranji team of your choice. only Ranji team in india whose player is not playing in IPL...i.e. tripura J&K nd Maharashtra....Play any Ranji Team... they will you win more than 4 matches in IPL. only i cant assure that your stadium will house full....that also will be houseful...bcoz People will come to see other star players....just try sm friendly matches....you will get the Result...

  • cricket4every on May 21, 2012, 12:08 GMT

    Pune mgmt sd understand that no local talent hs bn included in squad.... maharashtra hs played till quarter final in ranji nd vijay hazare trophy..2yrs back they were T20 domestic champions...every team hs local talent....even local player of different teams hs playd on their hm ground nd made difference.....like KP appana....at chennai... AReeady at Hyderrabad... Shukla at Kolkatta... Chavan and iqbal abdulla...at Mumbai.... Unmukt Chand at delhi... Mandeep singh at Mohali......made the difference to their respective teams.......but sad.... no maharashtra player in PWI......mgmt need to think next year.....They hv put lots of money,,,dnt simply depend on Allan Donald...Parvin Amre... Deep Das Gupta nd sourav ganguly... Mr. Roy... involve ur self

  • Ruhel_Moscow on May 21, 2012, 10:48 GMT

    Greg was right))Now its clear.Gangully is the main bandit.totally mad guy))

  • on May 21, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    Let this be a lesson to Subroto Roy Picking up Dada was a wrong decision especially when he is clearly past his best had failed in KKR and then expecting wonders from this jaded star Hope the new season sees Steve Smith captaining Tamim Iqbal a regular in the side, a regular wicket keeper rather than Uthappa who lacks the fundas of keeping and a solid core of performing and not hype given Indian players to back Steve,Michael Clarke,Graeme Smith and Wayne with Ryder fighting for a place

  • nasimmushtaque on May 21, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    Since long time it was known to every body that Ganguly is no more the same Ganguly, but it his unnecessary stubbornness has caused so much shame to first KKR and now to PWI, Get rid of Ganguuly immediately

  • on May 21, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    lot of people r saying that ganguly was not having a good pool of players to lead. just tell me one thing what ganguly did in 1st & 3rd IPL as a captain of KKR. Gayle, Mc Cullum, David Hussey, Shane Bond, Umar Gul, Hafeez, Ishant, Hodge, Owais Shah, Angelo Mathews, Mendis. Ganguly always put himself ahead of the team's win. PWI lost lot of matches by 5, 6 or 7 runs & in all those matches ganguly's strike rate was 100 (that too after playing 20 balls)

  • cskfangg on May 21, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    Even pune managemant knows what ganguly can do @ his age now.. Then why they made him captain?...they might retain him as a coach! May be the reason is that they want the expereince & captaincy of ganguly,which he did well... Its obvious that u cant except much from him ,then blame it on the management! not Ganguly...

  • on May 21, 2012, 8:57 GMT

    Two points.. One as all have pointed out.. Saurav must and will quit.. 2nd point buying Clarke was the biggest mistake which many here have conveniently forgotten. He is the worst t20 player.. and all this talk abt he is the next big thing is all bull crap.. Atleast Saurav is older so obviously he is slow.. but Clarke was even worse.. being a younger person he cudnt even score a single of every ball.. He was a bunny in Indian conditions.

    I guess Ganguly always wants to do well and from the commentary box he was conveniently criticising indian bastmen during Aussie tour. But when he himself gets a chance to bat, why so much clutter in mind. Even after they were eliminated from play offs, he cud have gone for the kill and played freely as there was nothing to lose. Not being able to hoike his favorite Slow left arm spinners for 6 shows he was poorly out of touch.

    Hope he does more proper commenting from now on!

    And for those crying for Uthapa, hope u learnt a lesson!

  • on May 21, 2012, 8:55 GMT

    1. Not enough local talent 2. Manesh Pandey on the bench for most of the season...not good 3. Micheal Clark is not T20 stuff... and to use him as an opener?!?! 4. Jessie Ryder needed a more consistent opening partner 5. Ganguly need to admit he can't do this anymore :)

    There you go; simple! Hope you guys do better next time i.e. if Mr. Roy doesn't pull the plug, and ah! Yuvi... you need to get back into the XI and captain the team...

  • Third_Gear on May 21, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    This so called DADA is always AWFUL.

  • on May 21, 2012, 8:08 GMT

    sheer condolence to the pwi team especially having a good and composed team ,and looking good in the initial parts of the tournement ,they just blew themselves up .First to blame the injuries ,coming in at all the wrong time .But i dont feel bad at all for this team ,seriously picking ganguly in a T20 squad is equal to zero expectation of winning .Infact he has proved this with his earlier teams.The best thing for ganguly to do now is to go back to kolkata stay with his family and help the youngsters in kolkata state team.atleast he would get some respect from ther ,anything he does other than this would be a big disaster ,let it be in cricket or commentary or bollywood.He has got some undeserved respect from his fans ,now he has to repay all that y taking some.EARTH IS ROUND

  • sony_sr on May 21, 2012, 8:02 GMT

    Pls pls don't keep him as non-playing captain next year. He generates kind of negative energy around him which is really bad for a team game. We saw that with KKR in the first 3 years. Now the same thing is affecting PWI. Get rid of ganguly and half of the problems will be solved. Get rid of clarke as well and use some common sense in selection and they will easily start winning. Put some real thought into teh selection of new captain. See the changes gambhir made to kkr team members attitude.

  • ganymede on May 21, 2012, 7:33 GMT

    Saurav fans have far too often mistaken laziness for languid elegance, stubborn rigidity for heroic determination and shamelessness for perseverance.As someone pointed out earlier, it is high time his nickname is changed from DADA to DADU.

  • squarepeg on May 21, 2012, 7:21 GMT

    Ganguly in IPL I to III, had managed to turn good players into useless- Gayle, McCullum, David Hussey, Hodge, Umar Gul, Ishant Sharma, Shoaib Akhtar, Hafeez. He also had Murali Kartik, Tiwary, Agarkar, Abdullah, Mandeep Singh... but when the captain is playing for his glory and just to make sure he is picked at a high auction price, how can others get motivated? Selfishness doesn't beget loyalty. I know Ganguly fans will point fingers at SRK, coach, what nots. Yes, Ganguly did lead India gloriously, but then he was not thinking first about saving his place in the team, or getting more coverage than Sachin, Dravid, Dhoni. If he had continued to play cricket for the love of the game, then he would have been as much honoured as Laxman, Kumble and Gilchrist are being today.

  • Rahul_78 on May 21, 2012, 7:15 GMT

    Yeah Dada is right..there is no need of postmortem in hurry. Next IPL is 1 year away and in mean time players will have enough time to collect their fat pay cheque and decide how to spend it. DC were also languishing at the bottom of the table but they fought almost in every match as a unit, they failed to win not because of lack of trying but due to lack of high quality international players and experienced domestic players. Pune have been plain awful in every department of the game and even worst in their strategies and team selection. Dada needs to front up and should take a lot of responsibility of the disaster rather then making lame excuses. Pune deserved nothing less then last place the way they conducted their campaign..I am so happy that Deccan managed to push them to the last in the end.

  • dare_to_beat on May 21, 2012, 7:05 GMT

    No doubt, Ganguly is one of the legends of world cricket. But as per as his current performance in t20 cricket is concerned, he should quit this format ASAP to retain his respects he gained so far. Definitely, he should play tests and ODIs for bengal, t20 is not the option for him. If Mr. Subrata Roy want to continue the loosing tradition next year, he should choose a different/new captain.

  • rahman1001 on May 21, 2012, 6:30 GMT

    Pune Warriors management underestimated the potential of Tamim, who I am sure, could have turn one or two matches alone. Look at Shakib, whom the KKR has begun to have faith in. The problem is ego. Sourav dad himself is a left hander and Jesse Ryder being the same opening..so why Tamim. then why PUNE in the first place kept him in the side and put him in the dressing room. There is a saying..if you do injustice and try not to respect the proven potential of someone beyond any doubt as is the case with Tamim, nature takes its course and spun PUNE back to the ignonimous last spot in dramatic fashion. DECAN chargers were really amazing! And imagine the fall. From table topper to the last spot,,and stretch of nine consecutive defeats which Mr. Michael Clarke, a better brand name than Tamim himself, could not save.

  • on May 21, 2012, 6:10 GMT

    @ Salil Sheopori very well said mate

  • on May 21, 2012, 6:06 GMT

    Ganguly is the main culprit so he'll say that...Guys time to see Ganguly in the Extraa Innings T20.. cant bear his commentary too just like his batting..

  • Dani174 on May 21, 2012, 5:52 GMT

    Warrior should try TAMIM, I think he could play some vital innings for them.

  • on May 21, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Dear readers, Firstly I dont find any reason to criticize Sourav Ganguly alone. If you had seen all the PWI matches, there were so many close matches. Had Pune won those 3-4 matches then you all would had been talking differently. First things first, PWI officials screwed their chances this by not opting for auctions. Thus they didnt get the best of breed. Still It was Sourav's correct reading of the games - he chose Smith, clarke. Smith was the find of the tournament. Clarke possiblly for future captaincy as Yuvi might not be a captiancy material. I expected Samuels to play better but he was shut down by controversies. Had Sourav got great fast bowlers like Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel and better Indian players - PWI would had been a different team. Pune's pitch was ridiculous, it was like digging your own grave if you loose the toss. So I dont find Sourav Ganguly to be the culprit alone. Sahara officials were bigger culprits by not going for auctions and creating ridiculus pitches.

  • passionate_cricket_follower on May 21, 2012, 5:07 GMT

    @Anand Lakhkar: We the lovers of cricket watch IPL to see some quality cricket. We waste our time and energy to watch it. Also many of the facilities (of the stadiums, streets etc) are maintained by the taxpayers' (ppl like myself) money. So I have every right to criticize somebody who plays abysmal cricket match after match. Ganguly thoroughly deserves this criticism. Even a 10 yr old would know he should not be on the field and should have exited gracefully (rather than receiving the kick). And I'm not a businessman, so don't care about the profit of any franchise. So to me all those stuff like profit due to fan base is gibberish. I only turn on my telly to watch quality cricket!

  • on May 21, 2012, 5:02 GMT

    I Think PWI missed an aggressive middle order batsman say Yuvi throughout.Still with their bowling i was quite happy. Also Dada did his best what he could do.Remember a captain is as good as his team.

  • pai11 on May 21, 2012, 5:00 GMT

    @Anand Lakhar: mate, can you substantiate your point? I mean, I agree that KKR is making profits; but I dont think they are the only team making profit.. what about CSK? even with those performances if you say that they are not making profit, I think IPL will be shut down next year. (by the way are you the internal auditor of all teams to make such a huge statement?) and as far as packed stadium goes, pune was packed last year too when DADA did not play initially & rest assured it will be full when DADA will call quits too...

  • timtom on May 21, 2012, 4:56 GMT

    Tamim legend is assuming proportions of the great DON himself.. With Tamim and without Tamim.. LOL :) ...With or without result would have been same for PWI... Tamim would have made some loose comments in dressing room and thought cud get away like in B`desh...Who knows !! Now He is under pressure from his fans to win WC T20 all alone by playing the kind of inning which only his fans know :))))))

  • on May 21, 2012, 4:13 GMT

    @passionate cricket follower I am the first to admit that I have never played cricket even at the club well. Hence I am not passing any judgment saying who should be kicked out and who should not be. This is the thing you should realize as well before you pass comments on people like Ganguly who have been legends of cricket. Since you have not played even a single game of cricket for your country you have no right to ridicule someone of the stature of Ganguly. Fan base is very important for IPL. It is because of the fan base due to ganguly, KKR is the only franchise in profit so far. It is only beacuse of Ganguly, Pune had packed stadiums whenever they played home or away.

  • on May 21, 2012, 4:06 GMT

    @Muhammad ali manik- You made my day dude with the joke of the year Ganguly should learn from Tanim. Ganguly has more than 10,000 ODI runs and is the 6th greatest ODI batsman of all time. Tanim would not be able to score even half the runs Ganguly did. Just scoring 4 consecutive half centuries on flat sub continental pitches against average teams like India, Sri Lanka or Pakistan does not make anyone a legend. @Dr Naveed please think before you speak. The reason Vattori, Sanga, Gilchrist sat out is because there are only 4 foreigners allowed and so even if one of them is not firing the balance is affected. In Ganguly's case even if he would have sat out the quality of the domestic talent in Pune's team is so low that they did not have any replacements. Pandey, uthappa, mishra all were big flops.

  • screamingeagle on May 21, 2012, 3:50 GMT

    Mr. Dodo, please leave. Nuff said.

  • on May 21, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    Yes, Saurav Ganguly has now failed as a captain of an IPL team for the 4th time. When he played IPL 4, he was not the captain and contributed somewhat by batting. He is doing a much better job at being a commentator though nowhere close to Ravi Shastri or Sunny Gavaskar.

  • on May 21, 2012, 1:51 GMT

    Criticizing Ganguly [alone] is not right... I agree winning or losing matters the most, but Ganguly alone is not to blame entirely. If all the individuals are not performing well - what can a captain do? Considering all individuals in PW and their performances, i think he did what he could. Besides, Ganguly brings in a lot of experience and this is the opportunity for the youngsters to learn from him. I think he should take up a more "behind the scenes" type job like a coach or mentor - he will be good at that. Hopefully Yuvi gets better soon and becomes available next season.

  • smnawed on May 21, 2012, 1:40 GMT

    Btw, where's Pune in the map? Oh, i see, it's overshadowed by the cry for Tamim!

  • smnawed on May 21, 2012, 1:36 GMT

    @ddc...... at this age, yes... TAMIM>GANGULY!

  • AusieBangaleeShameem on May 21, 2012, 1:28 GMT

    As an EX-GANGULIAN, I must apologise to all who found my comments offensive where I used to glorify Ganguly -- and I must admit now after 16 PWI games that I was so wrong for blindly supporting Sourav. @Sriram Venkataramani -- thanks for well-thought comment. @Anand Lakhkar -- you may have forgotten the difference between past and present tense -- it should read Dada "HAD" enough fans all over....... Best wishes to PWI in the coming IPL seasons.

  • larathegreatone on May 21, 2012, 0:38 GMT

    dada is one of the greatest of all time...

  • Barath.M on May 20, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    It was a collective team failure, a team which boasted of good players simply forgot how to perform after beating MI, KXIP, CSK and DD initially, no one came out with stand-out performances, but all these fickle-minded fans can think about, is just criticizing dada and to talk endlessly that he should retire, Uthappa or almost anyone was no better. Sourav Ganguly was one of the reasons Pune even won 4 matches, because of shrewd captaincy and a couple of good performances initially, but the whole pack of losers simply didn't deserve to win after that win over DD at Pune.

  • on May 20, 2012, 22:22 GMT

    The BCCI didn't even consider a post-mortem after an 8-0 bashing in Tests. Why would a T20 freelance domestic franchise consisting of mercenaries even think about doing one? Sometimes people just have so much money in their hand that they don't know what to do with it.

  • Sehwag_Is_Ordinary on May 20, 2012, 22:18 GMT

    Ganguly should be banned from all sorts of cricket. Just unbelievable this guy. I wonder why so many years, we bangla fans routed for Sourav. Once when there was a tough time for him with Greg Chappell, we backed him. Now we know Greg was right. Ganguly is the politician within the team. I salute Greg.

  • dmqi on May 20, 2012, 21:28 GMT

    Ganguli is the worst IPL captain for sure. Record number of defeats. Still talking? He should hide for a month at least.

  • on May 20, 2012, 20:52 GMT

    No point in bashing Saurav, it is the team management and team selection policy that led to the rout. Jesse was clearly a wrong choice at the top of the order, banishing Rahul Sharma after a 31 run over does not augur well for his career, Tamim should have warmed his bat and not the bench, Steven Smith should have batted higher and also bowled a few overs and .... I don't see Saurav in the scheme of things in IPL6. Robin should lead the team and planning must start right away. Look out for prospective bowling allrounders (like Azhar Mahmood) during the trading window. Good Luck PWI; hope to see you bounce back like DC - remember they finished last in IPL1 and won the second edition.

  • SylhetiBangladeshiCricketExpert4u on May 20, 2012, 20:36 GMT

    SHAKIB>TAMIM>GANGULY.............

  • on May 20, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    Remove GANGULY from PWI it will reach PLAYOFF in next season. Same thing happened to KKR. When GANGULY was there KKR secured LAST and SECOND LAST positions. Once he was thrown out immediately KKR reached playoffs twice.

  • drnaveed on May 20, 2012, 20:02 GMT

    other teams playing captains like gilchrist( in few matches), sangakarra, vetorri , sat out on the benches, as they realized that they were not in the right form required for ths format, and this gentleman(ganguly) almost played the whole tornament without realizing this all important fact.

  • ddc....... on May 20, 2012, 19:55 GMT

    @muhammed tamim will teach dada to bat?? hahaha u fool what has tamim done so far?? dada has 18000runs to his credit...tamim will not even reach half of that and u consider him a legend lolzzz

  • drnaveed on May 20, 2012, 19:54 GMT

    mr ganguly , you said it because you know that you will be the first one who would be post mortemed out from the team .instead of him ,robbin uthappa is apologising from the fans. he was good in his days, but now he is a burden on his team,this is a fact which every one realizes,except he himself .............

  • drnaveed on May 20, 2012, 19:53 GMT

    mr ganguly , you said it because you know that you will be the first one who would be post mortemed out from the team .instead of him ,robbin uthappa is apologising from the fans. he was good in his days, but now he is a burden on his team,this is a fact which every one realizes,except he himself .............

  • NikhilNair on May 20, 2012, 19:52 GMT

    SA or Aussie players will always struggle to win games staying with PWI because of people like Ganguly running the show on-field. Those guys have pure professionalism running in their bloods... but all Mr. Ganguly has is ego and arrogance. Hope players like Parnell gets traded into another good/decent team where the talent matters, not experience.

  • passionate_cricket_follower on May 20, 2012, 19:50 GMT

    @Anand Lakhkar : would you plz enlighten us on how many centuries you have scored, and against which club?! this is a public forum, and everybody is entitled to comment. also unfortunately the performance of a team does not depend on how strong its fan base is! DADU should be kicked out for good.

  • NikhilNair on May 20, 2012, 19:49 GMT

    I'm an Indian... but I'm starting to feel disgusted at Ganguly. People always talk about him on par with Tendulkar and Dravid... but I say they are far ahead of Ganguly in class. He has talent, but who doesn't at international level? Some just don't fire on a consistent level. Ganguly is just a waste of spot that could be given to a younger player in the team... that's the reality, whether anyone agrees or not. The only time I had respect for him was when he led India with determination... but then I learn about some inside truth about him during the Greg Chappell time... and now not playing Tamim Iqbal for 16 games! Now that's just disgusting at the least! All the reputation he's built over the years will be demolished every time he takes the field... he has no charisma left in him like Tendulkar or Dravid or Laxman or even Kumble [though Kumble retired]. Just quit Ganguly... save yourself some grace!

  • on May 20, 2012, 19:48 GMT

    Just to remind u mr. Ganguly, that Tamim Iqbal is way better batsman than you are, and u did not play him a single match???/ How dumb can a captain get?

  • on May 20, 2012, 19:12 GMT

    ganguly says no need to do post mortem.. because ganguly was mostly responsible for this kind of show.. never contributed with bat..still he wanted to open the ining or come one down or two down..very selfish of him....

  • zawais on May 20, 2012, 19:11 GMT

    Ganguly retire now.....don't be zoo greedy.... U r too old for da game now..... U can earn money by becoming a coach....... :)

  • on May 20, 2012, 19:10 GMT

    It is time for Ganguly to go.

  • on May 20, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    I agree that Tamim Iqbal should have given a go. By the wayz CLARKE is an overrated cricketer and is not fit for T20 Cricket. Why was Nehra kept in the team in spite of such ridiculous bowling. Why not Local Players like Harshad Khadiwale, Shrikant Wagh and co given a game?? Coming back to DADA, I am a huge fan of him and he should think logically and Retire from IPL and be a MENTOR next time around.

  • frozendilemma on May 20, 2012, 18:44 GMT

    Ah PWI started with so much potential but there are so many questions here to be asked...The Tamim question is obvious but why didnt he let Steven Smith bowl who has more T20 wickets than the Captain himself...Why he always insisted with Nehra who bowled atrociously in almost every game barring one...Never tried Luke Wright more than once who`s an attacking batsman...Kept Steven Smith down all the time...Even though Uthappa scored more runs but they hardly mattered for the team because of Slow Strike rate...Nathan McCullum was never given a chance either...I can bet that if Yuvraj would`ve been captain then Tamim would`ve been a regular...Alas its all done and dusted now...Better luck next year and as DD proved any team can have a turnaround...

  • aussiecurry on May 20, 2012, 18:37 GMT

    there is an example of sangakarra,vettori and gilchrist, what made sourov play almost all the games,he is not even suitable for T20, dada don't be greedy u should have allowed others to perform in your place,one day u sit in a commentary box and another day u r on the field captaining the side, i feel u were expecting too much from urself plz from now onwards i don't want to see u on the field at all whatever u left behind keep as it is-thanks

  • on May 20, 2012, 18:27 GMT

    DADA , no wonder why legendary Greg Chappel treated you so bad !! As a left hander you need to learn from Tamim Igbal how to bat ? I hope you will be a commentator of the upcoming T20 WC where you will witness the bomb-shells of Tamim's bat , you better wear a helmet in the commentary box !!

  • on May 20, 2012, 18:25 GMT

    Even Deccan gave chance to an relatively unknown player like Chris Lynn. Why not Tamim? Didn't the coach bring it up? What's wrong in giving him a taste of an IPL match? Sad that a talented player like Tamim gets a raw deal both in and outside Bangaladesh! Grrr @ Ganguly!

  • on May 20, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    @Ruhel - No one cares if you or BD fans support PWI and Dada. Dada has enough fans all over. @Salil Sheopori First learn how to hold a bat in your hand and try and last one over on a club match before you dream of giving a kick to dada.It is sad to see that Ganguly is being made the culprit for Pune's poor show. Agreed he did not fire with the bat. But then again in a team where the likes of Uthappa, Pandey, Samuels did not pull their weight why blame Ganguly alone. Secondly it is time people realize that IPL is a business and not a sport where only winning and losing matters. In IPL the main purpose of the franchise is to make money, winning or losing is secondary. Take the example of KKR. They have not won a single IPL but yet they are the most profitable franchise. SRK might be blaming dada for KKR not making the semi finals in the 1st three editions but the fact of the matter is because of Dada KKR managed to gather a fanatically strong fan base in the 1st three years.

  • KingOwl on May 20, 2012, 18:11 GMT

    Ganguly does not want a post-mortem because he knows he is the guilty one. Ganguly, please retire if you have any self respect left.

  • on May 20, 2012, 18:09 GMT

    @kanas i agree with u, how mr subrata run sahara??????????????????????

  • Htc-Baseball on May 20, 2012, 17:53 GMT

    ganguly oh my god, pls Mr.subrata roy i seriosuly wonder with such poor management skills hw do u run sahara..And ganguly added clarke,who once again proved his uselessness in t20..Never allowed tamim to play, really atrocious

  • snbindia on May 20, 2012, 17:51 GMT

    I am big fans of PWI , but the way ganguly and his team played in this IPL is atrocious. Poor batting, Poor Captaincy, poor team selection and finally PW Created New IPL record of nine consecutive defeats. Still I can't understand one thing, why he didn't give an opportunity to tamim? He didn't provide not even single opportunity for him to prove his talent. Just because of his EGO Problem. As a hard core fan of PWI, We Need a new captain to lead the team and also required more changes in the team.Then we may expect some good results by next season.

  • on May 20, 2012, 17:44 GMT

    I Have A Question To PWI Team Management, "If You Don't Use Any Of Your Weapons At The Worst Position Of Your Battle, What Made You To Buy & Carry That Weapon????"

  • squarepeg on May 20, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    FIne, no point in post-mortem now like why not using up Murtaza's 4 overs when Nehra was going at twice runs per over rate in last match. Was post-mortem done say after 3-4 consecutive losses, or one just kept going hoping things will improve on their own? Not using spinners like Murali Kartik, Nathan McCullum? ? Not trying Tamim over Clarke? Changing the batting order, dropping/resting oneself for just one match, playing at a hand-pulled rickshaw strike rate?

  • on May 20, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    oh dear, dont blame ganguly.he is such a hero, only have that ability to get out a team in one handed.he manage toreleas his player home as fast before other.which team's captain has this ability?????

  • on May 20, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    Ganguly's flying hair to be cropped, his contact lens to be changed, his blinking to be stopped and finally his bat to be snatched form his hand and given a kick on his back side.

  • on May 20, 2012, 17:08 GMT

    yes i m agree with you mr. ganguly.no need to immediate post-mortem,even never need.because we know who is the main culprit.who sink pune, and who is the sinker.now pune management should know.....

  • LAKINGSFAN on May 20, 2012, 17:05 GMT

    Had ganguly been non-playing captain Pune would have been better off. Enough said.

  • jokerbala on May 20, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    Obviously you don't want postmortems, because the report will name you first.

  • pai11 on May 20, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    No need for Post-mortem??? right.. DADA has seen to it that he has buried PWI... and if he wants to play next season i think we can write the condolences for PWI now itself!!!!!!!

  • Srini88 on May 20, 2012, 16:47 GMT

    Guys we need to understand a captain is as good as his team. A captain can inspire to win a game or two.. But in a long tournament like this.. You have got to have the team! At one point, Mumbai was playing 11 international players. Not sure next season all players come into auction.

  • on May 20, 2012, 16:46 GMT

    i also can't understand why Ganguli didn't give a chance to Tamin - just a chance - bcox that last match was not important for them . he went with selecting Clerk and j. Rider ... which they almost had played all games.... if any teams select Gangul ..that team will be last in the group .....!!!

  • on May 20, 2012, 16:28 GMT

    Being a Punekar i supported PWI right till the end, and wanted them to defeat my second fav team KKR, for its coz of too much dependence on non-dependable players, we need to re-group and mainly mr subrata needs to re-think, i still feel if we would have bought some players like, Dwayne smith or Andre russel or even kevon cooper instead of picking the left overs of michael clarke or even ganguly. It was pretty lame on the selection part, seems like a movie climax where you go for SRK and make RA ONE = HIGH AND DRY.

  • Ruhel_Moscow on May 20, 2012, 16:25 GMT

    I hate pune, i hate now ganguly))its voice of million BD fan...

  • on May 20, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    Always like utthappa..he is a classy guy...

  • on May 20, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    I as a cricket fan want to ask Sourav Ganguly? Why do you not include someone who has 5 back to back 50's and that too against formidable sides on similar wickets? You absolutely give him no chance at all. Why? Only because he is from Bangladesh? Absolutely unjustified and Ganguly really needs to answer this.

  • Sehwag_Is_Ordinary on May 20, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    wats he saying this guy Ganguly? You have picked ppl to perform? Well you haven't picked one. So don't say boys are picked to perform. Parnell is right. You have to pick the one who can score runs whoever it is. Terrible team selections all over which doomed PW. Also this guy Ganguly has so much ego which is also responsible for the team down. In the end, some terrible team managament I would say esp. selectors

  • passionate_cricket_follower on May 20, 2012, 15:51 GMT

    No need for post mortem. Yes. The first and foremost rectification is you should GO!

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  • passionate_cricket_follower on May 20, 2012, 15:51 GMT

    No need for post mortem. Yes. The first and foremost rectification is you should GO!

  • Sehwag_Is_Ordinary on May 20, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    wats he saying this guy Ganguly? You have picked ppl to perform? Well you haven't picked one. So don't say boys are picked to perform. Parnell is right. You have to pick the one who can score runs whoever it is. Terrible team selections all over which doomed PW. Also this guy Ganguly has so much ego which is also responsible for the team down. In the end, some terrible team managament I would say esp. selectors

  • on May 20, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    I as a cricket fan want to ask Sourav Ganguly? Why do you not include someone who has 5 back to back 50's and that too against formidable sides on similar wickets? You absolutely give him no chance at all. Why? Only because he is from Bangladesh? Absolutely unjustified and Ganguly really needs to answer this.

  • on May 20, 2012, 16:05 GMT

    Always like utthappa..he is a classy guy...

  • Ruhel_Moscow on May 20, 2012, 16:25 GMT

    I hate pune, i hate now ganguly))its voice of million BD fan...

  • on May 20, 2012, 16:28 GMT

    Being a Punekar i supported PWI right till the end, and wanted them to defeat my second fav team KKR, for its coz of too much dependence on non-dependable players, we need to re-group and mainly mr subrata needs to re-think, i still feel if we would have bought some players like, Dwayne smith or Andre russel or even kevon cooper instead of picking the left overs of michael clarke or even ganguly. It was pretty lame on the selection part, seems like a movie climax where you go for SRK and make RA ONE = HIGH AND DRY.

  • on May 20, 2012, 16:46 GMT

    i also can't understand why Ganguli didn't give a chance to Tamin - just a chance - bcox that last match was not important for them . he went with selecting Clerk and j. Rider ... which they almost had played all games.... if any teams select Gangul ..that team will be last in the group .....!!!

  • Srini88 on May 20, 2012, 16:47 GMT

    Guys we need to understand a captain is as good as his team. A captain can inspire to win a game or two.. But in a long tournament like this.. You have got to have the team! At one point, Mumbai was playing 11 international players. Not sure next season all players come into auction.

  • pai11 on May 20, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    No need for Post-mortem??? right.. DADA has seen to it that he has buried PWI... and if he wants to play next season i think we can write the condolences for PWI now itself!!!!!!!

  • jokerbala on May 20, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    Obviously you don't want postmortems, because the report will name you first.