Bangladesh in Europe 2012

Plenty of positives from Europe tour- Tamim

Mohammad Isam

July 30, 2012

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Elias Sunny lets out an appeal, Ireland v Bangladesh, 2nd T20, Belfast, July 20, 2012
Tamim Iqbal:"I thought it was a decent effort in conditions which I wouldn't call ideal for Twenty20 cricket" © Barry Chambers

Bangladesh batsman Tamim Iqbal has said the six-match Twenty20 tour of Europe has helped the team develop the habit of winning, despite the two losses to Scotland and Netherlands. Tamim was the only batsman to score in excess of 200 runs, including two half-centuries. He said he was happy to see progress on an individual and collective level.

"The tour had more positives than negatives," Tamim told ESPNcricinfo. "We won the first game against Ireland easily but in the next two we fought back from dire situations. I think the game in which [Mahmudullah] Riyad bhai bowled well in the last over was a difficult win. We never thought we were in it but we fought till the end.

"Leaving aside the Scotland game (which the hosts won by 34 runs), I thought we showed a lot of positive signs. We wanted to get into the habit of winning, so I think the tour has given us that. All in all, there were improvements but there's still a long way to go."

After sweeping the series 3-0 against Ireland, Bangladesh had a wake-up call when the Scotland batsman Richie Berrington hammered a 57-ball century. The Bangladesh batsmen faltered and lost the one-off game.

Tamim's unbeaten 69 in the next game, against Netherlands, helped them to an easy win but the tour ended in a disappointing note after they were defeated in a last-ball finish against the same opponents.

"Personally, I feel happy after the tour," Tamim said. "I thought it was a decent effort in conditions which I wouldn't call ideal for Twenty20 cricket."

The mixed results caused some bizarre movements in the ICC Twenty20 rankings. Bangladesh jumped to No. 4 after winning 3-0 against Ireland. However, one loss to Scotland brought them back to No. 9, which didn't change despite beating Netherlands the next day and losing the day after.

"We felt good when we became the No. 4 team in Twenty20s, but when we lost to Scotland and became No. 9, we obviously didn't feel that good," said Tamim. "It wasn't important to be honest and it wasn't really our goal during the series. But going up the rankings is definitely a goal for the future."

The players will take a break, but Tamim and four others are set to play the inaugural Sri Lanka Premier League (SLPL) Twenty20 competition, which begins on August 11. Tamim believes the whole team stands to benefit and not just the contracted players.

"It will be great for the five players but since we'll be playing the ICC World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka in September, it'll definitely help us as a team because the captain [Mushfiqur Rahim] is also one of the five players," he said.

Mohammad Isam is senior sports reporter at the Daily Star in Dhaka

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Posted by warneneverchuck on (August 2, 2012, 20:01 GMT)

@roketman. Once in every 4 years u beat teams like India SL and that is a big achievement for BD team according to u

Posted by r0ketman on (August 2, 2012, 15:09 GMT)

@Great_Aussie: Darn it! Boyc's mom should have participated in the Asia cup this year, she would have gotten one more trophy to decorate her living room with. Since BD beat IND and SL, and Boyc's mom could easily beat BD, she would have beat IND and SL in asia cup too! And since BD only lost to PAK by 2 runs, and Boyc's mom would have easliy beaten BD, she must have won that close match against PAK and should have been righfully named the 2012 Asia cup champion! She missed a great opportunity indeed!:-) (The comments above were written in jest, in reply to someone's very humourous comments, not intended to express facts or even my opinions, so no need to start a huge argument on this one)

Posted by r0ketman on (August 2, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

@ Fast_Track_Bully: Well if you are using "BD was part of IND and PAK logic", can I use the same logic on IRE? IRE had their first cricket club formed in the 1830's, they played their first FC match in 1902, they were a part of UK too!!! Just because BD was part of IND and later PAK, does not necessarily mean they had a cricket history; that logical conclusion is incorrect. BD hosted a handful of test matches in the 50's, and 60's, that was about it. The "fact" is BD played first ODI in 1986, played 32 official ODI matches between 1986 and 1999. BD played their first official FC match (according to Wikipedia) when the national team played England A in Chittagong on 25-27 October 1999. The FC league started in 2000. IND Ranji Trophy Started in 1936. Pakistan's FC league started in 1953. No team from BD or east pakistan ever participated in either of these leagues. Half the world was part of British empire once, so they should all be good at cricket?:-)

Posted by M_Rakibul_Islam on (August 2, 2012, 14:14 GMT)

@ Fast_Track_Bully: Yep, BD was part of British India & Pakistan. But at that period Football was most popular game in Bengal although they were not good at Soccer due to physique. In fact Cricket became popular there after 1997 ICC trophy & 1999 World Cup.

Posted by SpitFire on (August 2, 2012, 9:00 GMT)

We don't mind the losses, why are the others worried? We just went to the Final of Asia cup, it takes time for teams down the order in ranking to perform better. When Aus and Eng started playing only two teams were there, when West Indies came up they were playing with only 2 teams, when India came up they were playing with only 4 teams, whoever came later had to play with more and more teams, and eventually NZL came and took 45 years to win. And it took India 60 years to move up 3 places in the ranks, so why is the world bothered about Bangladesh performance? Hope we have for our team is way too much, we learned to appreciate our guys, when a 23 year old 5 ft tall captain is hitting Sixes to 33 year old 6 ft tall veteran fast bowler and eventually throwing the team out of Asia cup, we know we are on track, and even if the batsman scored a duck and lost the match, we wouldn't mind, coz we appreciate their efforts, at least they are not selling TV sets and Video cameras

Posted by UsmanAkbar on (August 2, 2012, 6:58 GMT)

@ SylhetiBangladeshiCricketExpert4u: it is all in your face but yet you are denying. such a pity. keep satisfying yourself with 1 win out of 100 matches. Look at your fellow Bengali AHMED HUSSAIN, he is not denying anything yet he is optimistic and has a basis for it. No doubt the current crop of Bangladeshi players can certainly pose questions for top teams.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (August 2, 2012, 6:38 GMT)

@r0ketman. BD was a part of British India and they too played cricket in that sense and again was a part of Pakistan in 1947 and then too they played cricket. So you are not a newbie as you trying to convince others!

Posted by SylhetiBangladeshiCricketExpert4u on (August 2, 2012, 2:29 GMT)

@UsmanAkbar- Keep Dreaming Mate....and start Thinking of getting back cricket in pakistan Loooooooooooooooool

Posted by RK204 on (August 1, 2012, 21:24 GMT)

@Legaleagle..u are the genuine BD fan........even though it's by the negative way...but who cares.......u love BD like u hate goes with ur name Legaleagle..........

Posted by warneneverchuck on (August 1, 2012, 18:14 GMT)

Even boycott's mom can beat BD team

Posted by r0ketman on (August 1, 2012, 16:57 GMT)

@legaleagle: I agree, Tamim has below par average in all formats of the game. Maybe we need to redefine "talent". Talent, as I know it, is aptitude, or an ability to do "something". When it comes to batting, Tamim has "talent", all the experts will say the same thing I am saying. What he does not have is proper temperament (attributes such as adaptibility, regularity, persistence, distractibility). This seems to be an issue with majority of BD players, which is evedent in our dismal test cricket records. "There is nothing more common than unsuccesful people with talent" - Calvin Cooldige. I agree 100% that BD players need to pull their socks up and perform, show persistence in effort, and consistently give their best. I will not agree that they lack talent, specially Tamim.

Posted by Empire_Of_Cricket on (August 1, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

If BD are not focus on Test side! BD will not improve and will soon they become a Mystery in Cricketing world...So youngsters should give their volunteer interest into first class games rather than t20. cos "Form is temporary and class is permanent". And all the rest Asian teams should help BD for the improvement. Cos most of the overseas teams are still struggling in sub-continent except BD. if BD improved and can put pressure on the overseas team, then it would be great to see ASIAN dominant in Test cricket. same time we should ask our players to train in county first class games for overseas victories as well :) :)

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

@Extraz..."BD win a match against a top nation once in 5 years "? - haha...Nonsense Actually in the last two years alone Bangladesh have beaten many top nations above them New Zealand, West Indies, England, Sri Lanka etc so try to prove that claim of yours is right otherwise I'm right based on that evidence alone. Whether you like it or not Bangladesh Cricket will be there for decades if not centuries so get use to it because Cricket is a Sport played by few teams anyway so :)))

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

@ serious-am-i...In fact, I even said before and admit again that Bangladesh will even struggle against Zimbabwe in Tests unless they don't get their act together and sort out their 1st class competition because its simply not good enough and until then, like you advised, the top Bangladeshi players in fact even the reserves need to travel abroad and play there for a long period. Also mate there's also nothing wrong if some Bangladeshi fans are optimistic and positive for Bangladesh's future for example they will become a top team or something because that's the right kind of attitude to have and should be good for the Cricketing World in general infact even Sri Lanka were minnows themselves once and look at them now very competitive at least.

Posted by Breaking_Point on (August 1, 2012, 14:57 GMT)

Calm down fellas! The truth is Bd is a huge market & ICC won't just waste a 160 Million+ population market . . . . 2014 T20 WC is the perfect example & u guys shouldn't waste yur tym on topicS lyk BD doesn't deserve test status & blah...blah . . !win/lose is a must in sport & though Bd's record is very poor still it's a team represting BANGLADESH & this team will continue to play as i said it's a huge market! @ahmed-->c'mon forget bout these guys. . . . . & enjoy the wins when BD WIns!!!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

@serious-am-i...Well for once I agree with you, you do make fair and vital points but its not the Bangladeshi players fault, its more to do with the board who just like anyone else is more interested in the big bucks rather than playing for the game but yes you're right if Bangladesh do want to be successful then their players have to join these domestic teams and so on in fact I think already the Bangladesh A team were invited to play in India so that's good to see. Shakib and Tamim have already played in English County Cricket but even I agree that's not good enough.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

@mrgupta...I know mate that's why I've been saying all along that Bangladesh though an improved team are still nowhere near to the likes of Pakistan, England or whatever and still have a lot of work to do but unfortunately, the fans of the other countries are jealous to appreciate it or something. The problem is my friend that Bangladesh do not play much Cricket which is why they don't fair as well and that's the reason why they played against these Associates. Cricket unfortunately is in a big mess on and off the field i.e. T20 tournaments, FTP, UDRS etc etc in other words, too much Politics is conflicting with the great game.

Posted by Legaleagle on (August 1, 2012, 14:25 GMT)

The reason people feel that Tamim is an untalented player is because his record speaks for itself. He has pathetic average of 30 in ODIs and 38 in tests- This is after 4 years of playing at the international level, and has played well over a 100 ODIs. Do not forget Bangladesh have plenty of opportunity to increase their individual average and record because they mostly play against associates and lower ranked teams STILL their record is pathetic and dismal. It's like how other teams look at Bangladesh now- if teams are not doing well with other stronger teams, they will schedule a tour with Bangladesh so that their team and individual average can improve. Look at Sachin's 100the century, even they lost the match he was able to get his record :) That's how pathetic Bangladesh's performance has been in past so many years. As an ardent cricket fan it hurts to see such a team. Bangladesh has potential- No doubt about that but they need to pull up their socks and perform.

Posted by r0ketman on (August 1, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

@IndiaRulesEverybody : Well if a player, who you claim is "substandard", goes on to score 2 centuries against the best pace attack in the world, how is your statement a "fact"? Am I missing something? If a player you call "sustandard" averges over 40 in ODIs against your team, how is your statement a "fact"? Will that not make your team substandard as well? The statement I was countering was about Tamim, by bringing BD in the mix, you are trying to correct an errenous statment you made about Tamim that you know you can not back up by "facts"!:-) So you are pointing out BD lost 63 of the 73 matches. What does that have to do with Tamim? Tamim has only played in 24 of those matches! How many matches did IND win between 1932 and 1944? What are the facts on that one?:-)

Posted by r0ketman on (August 1, 2012, 14:00 GMT)

@serious-am-i: My statement is based on my belief, I am not going to try to justify it. I did start my sentence by stating "I think" and did not claim it to be a factual statement. Only time I am bad mouthing other teams is when the fans of those teams downgrade BD, while conveniently forgetting how pathetic their performance was when their team was 12 years old. I have never said BD is better than India or PAK. What I have pointed out is that BD played 30 or so ODI's in 14 years between 1986 and 1999, that was the extent of their international cricket exposure before 1999. They have been playing cricket seriously for 12 or so years now, without a proper first class structure in place. Where as India, did have a full fledged FC structure since 1936. Indians played international cricker in 1880's! Yet they did not win a single cricket match till 1952! Why the double standards? Don't tell me about facilities, India had plenty in place left behind by the brits well before 1952.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 13:52 GMT)

@ Ahmed Hussain - My fellow Bangladeshi friend,I love reading your comments because it's based upon facts and truth.You are one of the most genuine blokes within this format,but there is no need of you to justify every jealous and Bangladeshi hating comments.Every genuine cricket lovers are more than aware of the facts and the ill intentions behind these comments.Facts regarding India never won a series in South Africa and having a dismal record in Australia and yet previously ranked no.1 Test position was a joke,well at least that was put to straight by England and Australia with a good deserved thrashing.You are right about the length of time it took the Indian's to develop themselves and the prove of that is that they were very rarely able to bowl out the opposition before Kapil Dev came to the scene unlike Bangladesh.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

If we don't improve our domestic cricket we will never be a strong team. And please don't compare BD with the top teams like India, Pakistan, England.... We might have a chance to win with them but they are far better sides than us. No point in arguing with others, because it is true we are a long way behind them... And if we don't take the right steps we will always remain like this.

Posted by Legaleagle on (August 1, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

Pakistan, India, and Sri lanka have all won the World Cup. Truth is Bangladesh was part of British-India before 1947, Part of Pakistan as East Pakistan before 1971; therefore cricket related infrastructure was already there. Bangladesh cannot use the excuse of a newbie in cricket anymore. They re-entered cricket not started from scratch as has been the case with other associates.

Posted by serious-am-i on (August 1, 2012, 11:53 GMT)

@Ahmed Hussain: Look my friend, I have been a keen follower of not just BD but other associate teams as well. There was a time when some of my fav. players were from associate teams so I don't dis-respect them. I am just pointing out the fact there has to be a level of expectation but having too many will backfire. We can try to set targets but not draw comparison when u recv. flak that so and so team was much worse, let us not compare today's competitiveness and financial stature to the past era. Lot has changed, we have to live in today's world. For the matter of fact, here are few tips which BD could take note of for improving their cricket: 1. Send in more no.of players to play in counties and other test playing nations domestic teams, this will improve them a lot. They could be even sent to India not just for IPL. 2. Have more no.of "A" team and "U-19" team matches abroad for experience. But remember not to have too many expectations, take result as they come their way.

Posted by mrgupta on (August 1, 2012, 11:14 GMT)

@Ahmed Hussain: I agree that BD has improved since 2007 WC although very little as numbers suggest. Their Win Loss Ratio has definitely improved since 2007. However, they managed to defeat teams like Pakistan, Aus and SA by 2007 which they have not managed ever since. Infact BD hasn't Won a single International match (Test, ODI or T20I) against Pakistan since that WC 1999 match which won them test status. Their overall record against Top teams like Aus, SA, Pak, India, SL and Eng is pretty bad. Only 5 wins against these teams in 50 ODIs played since 2007 does not provide a good picture. If they need to be taken seriously then they need to Win against these teams more frequently.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (August 1, 2012, 10:54 GMT)

there is a sense and logic if other Asian fans argue about their teams strength and try to prove they are superior....all of those teams (SL,Pak,Ind) did well in all 3 formats and the deserves it...but what the heck BD fans celebrating with fluke wins over associates ! OK, let them celebrate, but they are comparing that useless team with other good teams!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

@serious-am-i...Its great to see people like you so interested in Bangladesh's Cricket but please respect other people's view I only speak facts and if you don't like it well really there's nothing I can do. In fact I always admit Bangladesh are nowhere near to the likes of England, India or whatever so what's the problem fella? :)

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

@Extraz...Thankyou very much sir for agreeing 'whose' future is great and yes my friend, your Pakistan team are of course by far better than the Bangladesh Cricket team but we're not bothered about being the best or anything because unlike you who still haven't won a series in Australia in over 50 years haha...all we care about is for Bangladesh competing for once and making the opposition work for their wins like we did in the Asia Cup even your old Pakistani players were celebrating their wickets in the final but I doubt that's going to last long once your old players leave the game. Your old players have had the hand over us because overall they are far more experienced than us but once they leave and when you field your young inexperienced players, our young experienced young players will see how they compete against Pakistan common sense really isn't it? Exactly! By the way! Everyone loses and wins it happens weren't you the ones who also lost to minnows at World Cups? :)

Posted by Extraz on (August 1, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

@mrgupta...completely agreed wid u... BD win a match against a top nation once in 5 years and then they celebrate it for the next 10 years,talking of multan test way back in 2003 even though BD have lost it still in 2012 just becoz they gave us a tough fight they r talking about it as they have won it!! anybody knows after that test in 2003 how many have BD lost against Pak may be 8 or 10 or even more than that!!!

Posted by serious-am-i on (August 1, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

@ G-Rocker: lol man, who asked Tamim's biography. @r0ketman: you really have too high dreams brother, having hope is really good but having too higher hope and trying to bad mouth others will only destroy your character.. You expect all the other asian teams to just brush aside their talent and hope BD comes best out of them ? Please don't make hilarious comments, if you say that BD will be more competitive side in the next "10" years, then probably all the other teams should be put halt for 10 more years huh ? @Raiyan24r: Now u are comparing with West Indies ? Come on BD friends, gimme a break. We all know the reasons for WI failures off-late but hell yeah they are still a far better side than BD, they don't rely on 1 or 2 match winners which BD is at the moment with Shakib, Tamim at times. Windies have gayle, pollard, bravo brothers, narine etc.. @Ahmed Hussain: you never look to improve but try to compare with others, pathetic in a single word. Change ur attitude sire.

Posted by Extraz on (August 1, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

@Ahmed Hussain...yeah we have some old players in our team but still with those old player we r beating teams including ur BD team,we have whitewashed ENGLAND away from home which ur team can just dream off we have also whitewashed u on ur own soil in all 3 formats!! what ur team have done thn got crushed by NETHERLANDS AND SCOTLAND lol...and talking of bright future our under 19 boys have just won the series against Aus under 19 in AUSTRALIA and ur under 19 have lost against AFGHANISTAN a BIG lol yup we can see whose future is bright!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 7:24 GMT)

@UsmanAkbar...Although I totally disagree that Bangladesh should go back to Associate level its never going to happen you are definitely right about the fact that Bangladesh does indeed have a dismal in fact a pathetic past record not going to lie about that but so does the likes of India, New Zealand and Sri Lanka but the the real picture is my dear friend that times are changing now and us Bangladeshi fans are not living our past anymore but instead the present and future. The difference between the Bangla and Non-Bangla fans is that the Bangla fans are positive while the Non-Bangla fans are negative and these comments from those 'jealous' and 'worried' fans are proof enough. Bangladesh are of course not a top team in fact there's not much proof to back that up but they have improved somewhat since since 07 World Cup when the likes of Tamim, Shakib, Mahmudullah have started coming through and yes soon the other the big teams will have to go through the same phase sooner or later.

Posted by UsmanAkbar on (August 1, 2012, 6:57 GMT)

Dear Bengali Brothers, don't get offended but these are the facts which are written by all below. you are counting victories of the past decade but turning a blind eye on losses. People don't care much how many matches you have won against associate teams, what matters is wins against major teams or even test playing teams. Since Jan 2011 Bangladesh has played 5 tests-lost all, 24 ODIs - won 8 (incl. wins against 1-Ireland,1-Netherland,Zimbabwe), 8 T20s-5 won (incl. wins against 1-Ireland, 1-Netherland). If my maths is correct your record against test playing countries is abysmal. Win ratio against test playing nations (excl. Zimbabwe): Tests 0%, ODIs 20%, T20s 50%. As everyone is saying Bangladesh hasn't performed well against better teams. You may exaggerate Banglas wins but the facts & figures tell us they have played very poorly since coming out of associate status. May be they should go back to that.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 6:49 GMT)

Bangladesh are definitely not a strong team its a bit premature to say that when there's not much evidence to back that up but they are definitely emerging and improving and this would be good for Cricket as a whole so that we have different matches for once and more competition. Realistically in the next 10 years or so, out of the 4 main teams in Asia, India and Bangladesh look the more promising teams as compared to Sri Lanka and Pakistan with India with its huge fan base and investors and then Bangladesh with its crazy loving Cricket fans behind them no matter what plus having huge hopes and ambitions and the youngest of all players as a whole. Whereas Sri Lanka and Pakistan have much much more elderly players who will obviously leave the game soon and their inexperienced youngster will struggle to pick up the spots in which their seniors left off. Same for the West Indies who again are climbing up like in the 70s so its a reality the Cricketing World is changing vast and fast.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2012, 6:28 GMT)

@Legaleagle...haha Tamim is 'untalented'? Can you prove it to me my good friend because I cannot find any evidences of what you are suggesting. The fact is mate Tamim is better than you something everyone can agree on and I'm not going to bother wasting my time explaining to you why Tamim is talented because he already scored his 50s against your Pakistan twice in their last two meetings so I think you need to explain to us why Tamim is not talented please can you show me proof because I don't understand what you're trying to say. Unlike Bangladesh, Pakistan who by the way I'm a big fan off, didn't host last years World Cup, are not going to hold the World T20 Championship, are not and probably never going to hold International matches again, have the oldest of players, and so on and so forth. Yeap I can see the future of Bangladesh Cricket and it looks great as compared to Pakistan :)

Posted by mrgupta on (August 1, 2012, 6:05 GMT)

@ reyme: Winning a match once in a while doesn't make a team world beater. Yes BD defeated NZ 4-0 but that was long long ago. Since Jan 2008 they have Won 5 and lost 5 to NZ. Won 2 and lost 6 to SL, Won 1 Lost 6 to India, Won 2 lost 5 to Eng and Lost all to Pak, SA and Aus. That's almost last 5 years. Their recent victory to India was first one in 5 years. If you compare the ODI record for all countries after their first 200 matches then BD fares worst ever. Don't compare yourself to India and Pak of 50s and 60s because they were very underdeveloped nations back then and no one was playing Cricket professionally like BD cricketers of today. Still after their first 70 odd tests India and Pak had a win loss ratio of about 5 times better than what BD has managed till now.

Posted by timtom on (August 1, 2012, 5:29 GMT)


Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (August 1, 2012, 5:21 GMT)

funny to see some comments from BD fans that we beat everyone last time! They beat SA too! OMG! Does they do not have any sense?? beating an A team or B team of SA in a friendly T20 is considered as big win! Actually they won 2 matches against SL and India at home in ODI and few wins against associates in T20 ...but you can't judge a team by winning few T20....Stop talking big and just act.

Posted by Raiyan24r on (August 1, 2012, 5:09 GMT)

tamim said that they have made the habit of that it means that they have performed better than the recent yrs and played close matches.2 yrs back they couldn't have even do this results.but now look at them.4 out of 6 in also a loss which was in the last ball.their winning percentage is about 66.66%. that ain't that bad.they have made a habit of close matches even if u lose or win.this was the state of WI in the recent 2 yrs.but now look at them.they have started winning matches and are competing the big teams.furthermore,the guts shown by the BD is incomparable.who would go to europe to play with the associates where any loss means huge failure.BD did it.they even did it in the europe soil BEFORE t20 WC in SRILANKA .

Posted by kaidranzer on (August 1, 2012, 4:50 GMT)

@r0ketman: Get your facts correct please. Tamim Iqbal averages 30.07 in ODIs and 38 in Tests.

Posted by IndiaRulesEverybody on (August 1, 2012, 3:35 GMT)

@r0ketman: There is no argument here, just stating facts. BD is a substandard team and Tamim is a substandard player. You give "facts" about your players very selectively- "Record against this team", "Record in that match", but it doesn't change the big picture. A team that has lost 63 of it's 73 tests, a team that lost to Zimbabwe A team , Zimbabwe team, struggled to beat Ireland, lost to Scotland, lost to Netherlands and yet they somehow are "getting in the habit of winning"??!! That is why I said Tamim would do better as a comedian. He really did make me laugh! :))

Posted by anandodhara on (August 1, 2012, 3:06 GMT)

Pakistan? Which Pakistan? I am sorry to say Bangladesh has better future than Pakistan. Pakistan will have to be able to host international teams to level up with Bangladesh. Big mouth will not take you far.

Posted by reyme on (August 1, 2012, 1:48 GMT)

@Legaleagle: Let me wake you up from your daydreams which will never come true. Last Time BD played: South Africa and ZIM: BD beat them (tri series last month); IRE: BD Whitewashed them in BD and in IRE (3-0 and case closed), NZ: BD whitewashed them (4-0), WI: BD beat them, PAK: yes almost beat them twice!; IND and SL: BD beat them (Asia), ENG and IRE: BD beat them in World Cup. Just wait and see how PAK gets beaten next. Just need UDRS.

Posted by r0ketman on (August 1, 2012, 0:13 GMT)

@IndiaRuleseverybody: Also your original statement was about Tamim being substandard. Why the change in argument? The substandard batsmen you mentioned averages over 40 in ODIs against your substandard "we like to think we rule everybody" team!:-)

Posted by r0ketman on (August 1, 2012, 0:08 GMT)

@ Legaleagle: Pakistan has one series win away from home in ENG in 60 years of playing! No series win ever on Australian soil. And BD has only played for 12 years. And never level up to Pakistan? Forgot Multan test in 2003? Won by 1 wicket, on your own home soil to avoid embarrassment of the highest order!:-) Yeah BD would never level up to PAK! I don't think we will need another 48 years, in another 10 years BD will be the best team in the subcontinent.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 21:43 GMT)

....Also the critics use double standards that its okay for England to lose to Netherlands but pathetic when Bangladesh lost to Netherlands by 1 WICKET LAST BALL but if you guys rate Bangladesh higher than England then really appreciate it guys thank you very much otherwise why the nonsense? Exactly! I really hope next year Bangladesh play those same teams again but this time in ODIs so we can really show the difference of the teams.

Posted by Legaleagle on (July 31, 2012, 21:29 GMT)

Totally amazed at this pathetic statement by an untalented player. Bangladesh has won 3 test matches in last 12 years. Their one day record is equally pathetic- they have won total 5 one day games that their fans keep recounting in different ways. Its OK to accept pathetic performance. And stop comparing yourself to a team like Pakistan. Bangladesh can NEVER level up to Pakistan.

Posted by IndiaRulesEverybody on (July 31, 2012, 20:46 GMT)

@r0ketman: you keep coming to the England tour - Let me know how many test matches has the 'Tiger' team won against Eng? Or Australia? Or Pakistan? Or South Africa? or Sri Lanka? Or India? ... See what I mean by substandard! :)

Posted by G-Rocker on (July 31, 2012, 20:26 GMT)

Tamim is the younger brother of Bangladesh international Nafis Iqbal Khan and nephew of former Bangladesh skipper Akram Khan. He made his one-day debut against Zimbabwe in February 2007 and was included in the World Cup squad after playing just two matches. His straight six off Zaheer Khan after skipping down the track was one of the best shots of the tournament. He scored a stylish 84 in his debut Test, against New Zealand in Dunedin and has since firmly established his spot at the top of the order. His maiden century came in 2009 against West Indies in St Vincent, a match-winning effort. He then set a national record against Zimbabwe in Bulawayo when he blasted an unbeaten 154 in a tall chase. Tamim has found England's bowling attack particularly to his liking, and a superb run of form against them in two series, home and away, lead to five scores of more than fifty in six Test innings, culminating in his stunning 103 at Lord's in May 2010.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (July 31, 2012, 19:57 GMT)

BD don't deserve test status. They shud only play shorter format and against Weeker oppositions like Zim or wi

Posted by cric_info_man on (July 31, 2012, 19:46 GMT)

helloooo Tamim you lost to Scotland!!??

Posted by warneneverchuck on (July 31, 2012, 19:36 GMT)

How many test matches BD have won till now against Aus SA eng india Pak and SL

Posted by serious-am-i on (July 31, 2012, 19:01 GMT)

@Ahmed Hussain: To be honest, teams mustn't underestimate any other team. Let them be from an associate team or no.1 team, on their day any team can beat any team. We have seen it often. There is a difference between confidence and over-confidence, usually most of the upset victories happen because of over-confidence. @r0ketman: I have mentioned this before to u, don't compare apples with oranges.Yes, a team had an total disaster not just in Eng but in Aus too, its something that couldn't be excused but this doesn't mean other's shouldn't point out mistakes with any other player from BD.@Saleh Mazumder: Having hopes is a real good one but having too much hopes is asking for unnecessary trouble.Adding unnecessary pressure on ur team, BD must first look at improving at least 1 spot in either ODI or Test Rankings, then u can focus on the next, next & so on.Anyways friends from all around the world lets calm down, we know how BD fans over-react so chill down - let them enjoy little success

Posted by tfjones1978 on (July 31, 2012, 17:56 GMT)

I believe what this shows is that there needs to be no glass ceiling between each group of cricket nations. It shows that there are advantages for the bottom full members to play regular cricket against not only the middle full members but the top associates as well. As has been shown many times in cricket history, there are many advantages to winning matches. Even easy victories (like first match against Ireland) in any format is good morale for a team that has 0 points in test cricket and struggles to compete against even middle full members. I hope the ICC recognises the advantages of this and changes Future Tours Program to reflect the involvement of top associate teams. A decent system can advantage both top associates and lower ranked teams. No team ever likes running last, having them play against a team below them is always good to build team spirit and bring back self belief in players. Congrats Bang on playing lower ranked teams. Lets hope they are the first, not the last!

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 16:57 GMT)

MANNNN did u guys see the ground in which the last 3 matches were played!!! i bet any team would have to play out of their skin to win against neth n scots to win over there..such a horrible ground :P

Posted by EnglishCricket on (July 31, 2012, 16:48 GMT)

Tamim was just looking at the positive sides and there's nothing wrong with that but I'm surprised why some people are saying he's not talented or something when clearly he is but really his record or batting should be even higher if he's a lot more careful and less arrogant and also take responsibly. He's only a very young man and will obviously get better and believe him and Brendan Taylor of Zimbabwe are two of the most talented and exciting batsman in those minnow teams. I have always been an avid supporter of the likes of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands etc and wish these teams can compete with the higher ranked teams so that Cricket for once can be alive.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 16:10 GMT)

I am a BD fan but a bit disappointed after BD's recent outings. They should have won all 6, if not they could have lost one to Ireland (i.e. 5-1). However, the fact that some of BD star players are happy with this performance somewhat shows that they are aiming at mediocrity ... hoping to see some of the winning habit at least against NZ in T20 WC.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

@IndiaRulesEverybody...Its great to see people like you taking an interest on Bangladesh's Cricket but please can you be sensible because you said a young player like Tamim Iqbal is 'substandard' haha when you cannot back that silly claim up. I mean is scoring a 150 against India in a Test match 'substandard'? Is scoring 6 half centuries against your India 'substandard' especially at the age 23? I don't think so, so please define for me the word 'substandard' so you understand what you're trying to say. If you're saying Tamim is 'substandard' then his scores against India must also mean India are substandard haha...The fact is Bangladesh Cricket as a whole may nowhere be as close as the Indian Cricket team but we're most certainly rising and improving but the most important thing the Indian Team and Management has learnt is that to never UNDERESTIMATE the Bangladesh team again :)

Posted by Tokai69 on (July 31, 2012, 14:16 GMT)

Well said Tamim. Advice for you, pl don't read the hater's comment in cricinfo and focus on your game. One could ponder how Ind being such an ordinary team is high in the ICC rating. Please check stat "Afghanistan's overall win-loss ratio is better than India's!". It could be, they've raised their ranking even individual or team level mostly playing with SL in a dead flat pitch !

Posted by r0ketman on (July 31, 2012, 13:29 GMT)

@ IndiaRulesEverybody: LOL! The substandard cricketer you mentioned scored more runs in ENG in test matches than any of your IND batsment last time they played in ENG. He was recognized for his batting against the strong ENG pace attack with the Wisden Cricketer of the year award. IND on the other hand "the so called number 1 team in the world" lost all their matches to ENG, two of them by innings (would have more had ENG not take pity on IND). Yup, Big LOL on that one, the world saw who was substandard!:-)

Posted by abherath on (July 31, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

@ Saleh Mazumder : This is not about taking away BD's test status or denying that they did well to eliminate India and Sri Lanka at the Asia Cup. This is about winning consistently, which is not happening. BD was on a good run at the Asia cup and they deserved to win it but they have not been able to maintain their momentum since that tournament. Just look at the results. They should not fool themselves winning 3 out of 5 T20s against non-test playing countries. As for BD becoming World's No. 1, are you referring to something like Kabaddi ? The players have to get rid of their know-all, beat-em-all attitude and learn to be respectful of coaches and put in hard work. Many coaches have commented on the players' haughty attitude which is stunting their development.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 10:33 GMT)

@ Great_Aussie: Mate, as your name points out, you are a 'wannabe great', the fact is you will never achieve those greatness by making pointless comments about a professional team without knowing the facts. I am an Aussie myself and my roots go back to Bangladesh. I am also a die hard supporter of Australian Cricket! You should look at the records, past achievements and recent history. You will see the team made genuine progress. They dont have half of what we have at SCG. Their budget is also probably smaller than one of our state teams. But one thing the whole team have in common, that is ~ passion for the game. They won 6 out of last 10 international matches played and lost 2 very closely by 2 runs and 21 runs, I believe and put up reasonable fight on the rest! So if you want to be taken seriously,(which I dont think you are worth it anyway) please think before you make a comment like that. Or, you can change your name to 'dumb_Aussie' instead of 'Great_Aussie.' Just a thought!

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 9:59 GMT)

@Sudhirhk..."Ireland should have been given the status thaa BD has"? - haha That's a load of nonsense and the ICC will never do that because Number 1 unlike Bangladesh, Cricket is NOT popular in Ireland plus Bangladeshi fans even in a losing cause still are behind Bangladesh's Cricket something Ireland can dream off. Number 2 unlike Bangladesh, Ireland doesn't have a large fan base so swapping Ireland for Bangladesh will be a total disadvantage for the ICC as they will lose a lot of revenue. Number 3 unlike Bangladesh, Cricket in Ireland doesn't have government support so these 3 factors alone suggests why Ireland are not allowed Full Membership let alone replacing someone besides why replace someone? Instead why can't Ireland join along the ranks of the elite so that way the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe can have more opportunity to play Cricket? Exactly! Also I want to remind you that Cricket unlike other Sports is a Sport that is played by very teams am I right? Exactly so :)

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 9:08 GMT)

i am wondering where those critics were when bd knocked out India and Srilanka from the Asia cup...listen up critics your words are not gonna count neither no one could take the test status of BD. so cheer up till the day when BD gonna be the no1 team in the world. lolllll

Posted by Dashgar on (July 31, 2012, 8:19 GMT)

Was always gonna be tough in European conditions. I think they did well to win more than they lost. 3-0 vs Ireland is no easy feat for any team. Obviously they'll be disappointed about the end of the trip but you can't be too harsh on them. Still a young team that haven't played a lot of this format.

Posted by Sudhirhk on (July 31, 2012, 8:09 GMT)

Haha, winning habit? Tamim should be day dreaming. Ireland should have been given the status thaa BD has. At least they would have made some decent improvements. It is time BD should be packed off to associates status before they bring further disrepute to the game and themselves. Once in a century they beat a test playing nation in some format of the game and think themselves as world beaters for another century, losing to every team in the process.

Posted by Breaking_Point on (July 31, 2012, 7:52 GMT)

Hmm. . .but should've done better!waiting for the Test against WI when BANGLADESH WILL PLAY THEIR 1ST TEST AFTER A YEAR!

Posted by 101010101010 on (July 31, 2012, 7:47 GMT)

It was a good tour for BD...they should do much better in future.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (July 31, 2012, 6:42 GMT)

BD is an ordinary side. Shud play only associate countries

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 6:10 GMT)

.....i think, its tym that Bangladesh get chances to tour Australia and South Africa....there is no other way to improve in International arena if a team dont play test cricket...Cricket board has failed in this regard...

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (July 31, 2012, 4:23 GMT)

I think Bang need to set slightly higher standards for themselves in terms of consistency especially. 1 upset and 1 close win should be par minimum for a full member on such a tour. Considering they squeezed out (2 close wins) what I think is a good Ire side 3-0, they should be disappointed in losing to Scot n Netherlands, that is not good enough. Also this belief that "they were going to lose" reported by Tamim is a bad sign, as a full member u should always back urself vs an associate. If Bang r not careful, they will fall behind Zim, who have on recent occasions showed them up.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 3:32 GMT)

It was foolish on BD part not pto tour Pakistan. Afghanistan literally in Pakistan, if they can practice,play in the domestic level,im sure BD would have been fine. BD missed a good chance to play Pak and prepare well for that group match.Now they only have their own selves to blame.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 3:03 GMT)

We need more matches Against test playing nations to get used to them and then start winning. I think new zealand will be last in bangladesh's T20 world cup group (Ban, Pak, Nz) because new zealand wont be able to beat PAK and will probably lose too bangladesh (they lost 4-0 to Ban in ODI). Who knows maybe BAN may beat both PAK and NZ... inshallah bangladesh will get past group stage …

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 31, 2012, 2:47 GMT)

It was a decent tour for BD.. They need to be more consistent against better teams.. One good thing is, they have now found out a combination which can win them more than they have ever.. It will all come down to execution at the field.. On a upward curve is always good for any team..

Posted by IndiaRulesEverybody on (July 31, 2012, 0:36 GMT)

I had the best laugh in a loong time! "We are developing the habit of winning"!! Thanks for the laugh! I suggest you think if a career change - It is better to be a comedian than be a substandard cricketer.

Posted by FOTO on (July 31, 2012, 0:35 GMT)

Lets just hope all of BD players are in form before the Twenty20 World cup. Sri Lanka maybe a more of a pitch that is quickly to pick up cause it is an sub-continental pitch that BD might pick up in no time. I mean, if its a pitch similar then BD might have a good shot at it.

Posted by   on (July 31, 2012, 0:04 GMT)

I feel for this team because no one is willing to play with them which is why they arranged this tour and as Aussie deeply sadden that the likes of Shakib, Tamim etc haven't even played a Test match against Australia though they have been playing Cricket for well over 5 years now. Shame on Australia Cricket Board because every other Test nation has played Bangladesh within that 5 year period but still not Australia.

Posted by   on (July 30, 2012, 23:38 GMT)

Zimbabwe have only won one match against Bangladesh since there return to Test cricket....after this tour I think Bangladesh should be in qualifiers for WC 2015.It isn't over yet

Posted by arun02k81a0205 on (July 30, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

I completely disagree with Mr. Tamim Iqbal. I din't see even a single occasion in this European tour where they really beat the opposition like a test playing nation. This is too early to call that they have developed the habit of winning. Instead of scheduling 6 T20s with the low profile associate nations they would have rather played 3-4 matches against any test playing nation which would have been a good preparation before T20 WC.

Posted by AusieBangaleeShameem on (July 30, 2012, 21:45 GMT)

Good thinking Tamim --- always take the game positively. Cricket is a funny game where Aussie team was flattened by Ashraful in Cardiff, Indian WC and Asian cup hopes were burnt down by your magnificent batting and great team skills. T20 is the funniest of this funny game. SO Enjoy!!!

Posted by SCC08 on (July 30, 2012, 21:30 GMT)

Bangladesh dont serve anything more than associate status - fact, check the results. Ireland deserve an opportunity too but this will never happen, Bangladesh just get a free pass.....

Posted by braindead_rocker on (July 30, 2012, 20:51 GMT)

Being an Indian fan I do follow all cricket...BD did well to win most matches..You can argue they lost 2 matches to associate teams but in T20, the gap between teams are reduced. Netherlands and Scotland do have teams which can surely raise their game on their days.

I think Bangladesh board should organize mini T20 world cup in dhaka inviting teams like Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Scotland, Ireland and Afghanistan. it will be a very interesting tournament.

Posted by G-Rocker on (July 30, 2012, 20:15 GMT)

Its nice to see Bangladesh doing well and making improvements & also taking things positively...everyone wants to see them as a great team...good luck to BD.

Posted by Nduru on (July 30, 2012, 20:12 GMT)

....yeah, and Scotland and Netherlands. Does not sound like too much a habit yet Tamim! Face it. Like other teams of your stature (including mine - Zimbabwe) inconcistency is pretty much a given. In fact, in cricket in general, there is no such thing as a habit of winning. You lose some, you win some. That's sport for you.

Posted by BangCricFan on (July 30, 2012, 20:05 GMT)

I don't see the winning habit by loosing to two associate teams like Scotland and Netherland. It disappointed me a lot when I saw BD team lost against a team like Scotland with a big margin. They could easily lose the series against Ireland if we consider two close matches which could go either way. We don't like to hear big talk from Tamim. They should not be complacent what they did in Europe tour. It is true that our team has shown the sign of improvement as time goes by but the pace is very slow. May be, this is the way how cricketing nations improve and supporters like me are less patient.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (July 30, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

Someone rightly said BD is an ordinary side

Posted by warneneverchuck on (July 30, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

Someone rightly said BD is an ordinary side

Posted by Refat on (July 30, 2012, 19:34 GMT)

Well done tamim.just keep it up. and i would like to advice BCB immediately including mominul in bd t20 team.and also alauddin babu.If they get chance in ICC WORLD T20,inshallah they will do better.

Posted by   on (July 30, 2012, 19:25 GMT)

I personally think its a bit too early to claim that this is a new Bangladesh side just because they performed extremely well at the Asia Cup in fact some jealous people say it was just another one of these flukes but really we have to wait and see till Bangladesh have their next major series which unfortunately for them is not until after the World T20 Championship against the West Indies so Bangla and Non-Bangla fans will just have to wait till then. Mind you before that tour to Europe, Bangladesh in 2012 alone, only played the Asia Cup and their potential series this year against Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Zimbabwe got postponed until further notice so that's why Bangladesh haven't play much Cricket this year and arranged these games in Europe so they're not deprived of Cricket. Its also great that almost half a dozen Bangladeshi players are competing at the coming SLPL and I wish the Sri Lankan's a successful tournament.

Posted by asiacricket1234 on (July 30, 2012, 19:08 GMT)

Im not anto bangladeshi and i really want them to do well but I dont understand how they are developing the habit of winning by losing against 2 Assosiate team :O. People expect a lot better from you and youve failed to deliver. If they play like this in T20 WC other team will beat them in record difference.

Posted by cricket_expart on (July 30, 2012, 18:56 GMT)

yah, tamim i agrred wid u....

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