July 3, 2014

'This group can win a lot in the coming years'

Kane Williamson talks about his journey so far, his approach to spin, and his thoughts on captaincy
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"From a young age, I have used my feet to spin" © Associated Press

You had been tabbed the great batting hope for New Zealand for quite some time, right from when you were 16 or 17. Who were your early mentors?
Firstly, I wasn't aware of that. I always enjoyed my cricket. And I always aspired to be better. While growing up, I had a lot to learn. I guess my father got me into cricket. Then, as I started getting older, through intermediate and college, it had a lot to do with Ben Williams, who runs a coaching academy, and also Dave Johnson, and more recently [getting coached] in the professional set-ups.

You made your Test debut in 2010, scoring a century against India in Ahmedabad. You seem to be more adept at playing spin than a lot of New Zealand batsmen. How did that come about?
No, I don't play it easily at all. I would say that I've got my own methods of how I like to play spin and that may be different from other players in my team, perhaps. They have their methods. I like to use my feet and I believe footwork is a part of my game. So I guess that is something I tried to improve from time to time. From a young age, I have had that drawn into me - using your feet to spin when you can.

You began your Test career at No. 6, but within a space of 14 Tests, you were the permanent No. 3. Were you of the opinion that your game was best suited for the key No. 3 slot?
No, not really. Growing up, I have always batted at No. 3 in age-group stuff. For me, you start enjoying perhaps, or start wanting to bat in that position. But I am enjoying No. 3 and am very much looking to improve my game in that area. I am enjoying batting at the moment, along with the challenges that come with it.

What is that challenge that comes with batting at No. 3? What sort of change in approach does it take to go from No. 6 to No. 3?
I didn't spend a lot of time at No. 6. I batted in the top order most of the times. The natural difference is that you are probably expected to play the new ball. You can also be sitting with your pads on for hours after play gets underway. So I guess being flexible in that position is important because you are not quite sure when you are going to come out.

From the technical aspect, is there any substantial change?
Ideally you want your technique to remain similar wherever you are batting. I want to be relaxed and calm at the crease. Your options of how you play at a top-order position can be quite different with the ball possibly being new and fresh as opposed to the middle or lower order where the ball tends to be a little bit older. Ideally, if the top order is doing their job, then the bowlers get a little bit tired. The biggest change is how you approach it mentally and not much technically.

"My personal average is not that important when I am trying to contribute to the team as much as I can. That is not the concern"

Your presence at the crease is that of a seasoned veteran. You have played more than 30 Tests already, but your batting average is still in the 30s. Is there a particular reason why you are not in the 40s yet?*
Yes, I haven't scored enough runs. That is the obvious answer. It is something that I want to keep improving on and try to become a better player, and do it day in and day out. People may want me to average in the 40s or whatever, but for now, I just want to keep improving as a batsman. [After the recent Test series against West Indies, Williamson's average was 40.28]

Are there any goals as to where you want your average to be when you hit 50 Tests in your career, and beyond?
No, not at all. It will be nice to hit 50 Tests. That will be great but I don't really have goals like that. I would want to keep improving with my game and make an impact. [If] averages are getting high because of that, that will be great. But if not, still contributing while playing in the Tests - that is more important.

You have a very classical, orthodox batting technique. Someone like Rahul Dravid struggled initially in the limited-overs format. However, you are averaging close to 40 in ODIs. Was there any particular tweaks that you had to make going from Tests into the limited-overs format?
Like I said, my personal average is not that important when I am trying to contribute to the team as much as I can. That is not the concern. But coming to the limited-overs game, adapting is important. You have to know where you are getting your singles and also know your boundary options. I don't try to change the game very much. I just try to look at the situation and act accordingly. That is how I like to play it.

You hadn't played international T20s for nearly two years, but you were brought into the squad for the World T20. Was that recall a surprise?
Yes, certainly. As you're growing up, and as a very young cricketer, you always aspire to represent your country and a call-up like that always comes as a surprise, no matter how well you are doing. I got a call, and was very surprised to be in the big stage.

Since we are talking about the World T20, I have to ask you about the close loss at the hands of South Africa. Where did you think the game turned?
We were frustrated, obviously, that we couldn't bring the game home from the position we were in. But, as you know, T20 cricket can be a bit like that, and small margins can change the game around. Obviously, their big players really stood up. And if you perhaps look at the innings of [JP] Duminy - he played, under pressure, an outstanding innings, a match-winning one. And also the way Dale Steyn bowled, the death overs in particular, and all through the innings, was world-class. And we didn't stand up in those moments.

What was the mood afterwards in the dressing room?
It's not a nice dressing room when you lose, especially from a position where you believe that you should have won. And the dressing room wasn't as cheerful as it would have been had we won it.

Speaking of South Africa, you played one of the best rearguard innings in the recent years in Wellington in 2012, your second Test century. Steyn and [Morne] Morkel were on fire that day. You were hit a few times and broke your box once. Can you briefly take us through that innings?
If you try to be calm and be in the moment and not worry about things too far ahead and focus on the task at hand, you can handle those sort of challenges. During that game, we were up against such a stiff challenge that you knew you had to take your chances and stick together as a team. It was nice to come up with those runs and draw that match and show that our team can do it day in and day out.

Williamson on his match-saving hundred in Wellington in 2012:
Williamson on his match-saving hundred in Wellington in 2012: "To me, it was surviving each delivery as best as you can" © Getty Images

What does that sort of an innings do to a young player like you who is making his way into the international arena?
Going into that Test, we had lost the earlier game and we knew that the South African attack was a bit tough. I had played in the past mainly in the subcontinent. To come up against South Africa was a huge learning curve and a lot of guys in the side felt the same. There was a huge amount that I learnt during that period. Facing quality pace bowlers like that also improves your game. It is something that I will never, ever forget. I want to keep building on that as well.

What does it do, in terms of your self-belief, when put in an impossible position? A win was basically out of question - so South Africa were going to go all out.
When you are up against things like that, you try to simplify things as much as you possibly can. There were a lot of runs up on the board and we were up against it. To me, it was surviving each delivery as best as you can, knowing that if you did that then it gave you a big chance; through your methods and your basics, it would give you a big chance for some success. I guess that is how I tried to play and it was nice to come off along with the boys who really contributed in that innings.

You have been a fabulous catcher standing at gully, pulling off some absolute blinders. Is there any particular catch that is a favourite?
It is probably the one in the recent [home] Test against West Indies, the catch of [Shivnarine] Chanderpaul. It was when, I suppose, we didn't get the runs that we liked in the first innings and then we rolled them and the way we took our catches was a great feeling. It was nice getting catches there at the gully position and I suppose I do enjoy that. I do see it as a good challenge.

What are some of the key aspects for a fielder standing in that position?
Certainly better catchers than me are out there. What I try to do is stay low and as still as I can, watch the striking area and react. I suppose some catches are easier than others. There are ones that you might remember, but often you are just reacting. Those are the little things that I do while at gully.

You have captained New Zealand a few times. Do you have goals and personal ambitions to lead New Zealand in all formats some time in the future?
I don't really have a goal to do that, but it certainly would be a great honour if the opportunity were to come. A few times that I've led, I felt that you want the players in your side to come up to you, accepting you as a leader, and also you cannot come up with your own agendas. That is what I believe. It will be a huge honour to lead New Zealand, but in the meantime, I will just try and contribute to the team's performances. Ultimately, that is what it is all about.

I want to talk a bit about the New Zealand team itself. You have a great set of fast bowlers, and also a very good set of batsmen. Currently, the team is ranked seventh in the ICC rankings. Where do you see it going?
This is a positive and a good young group - a group that can win a lot in the coming years and ultimately move higher and higher in the rankings. That would be, without a doubt, the goal for us. We have got the talent there, we know that. Our fast bowlers have been great. Most of us are very young. And we have some very talented batsmen. We have to get good experience at this stage and move everyone's game forward. Then we can do well in the future.

Finally, the World Cup is coming home next year. The last time it was there, New Zealand were in the semi-finals. Is there any pressure on you guys to equal or better that performance?
Yes, naturally, playing in your home conditions, it probably brings a bit more expectations. The nature of the tournament is pretty cut-throat and you want to be at your peak as soon as you hit the tournament. We know our conditions, and we have played really good cricket recently in World Cups. If we can do that, we will be positive and confident going into the tournament.

*This interview was conducted during the World T20 in Bangladesh in April

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  • Jordanious77 on July 4, 2014, 8:50 GMT

    Really good interview. Kane Williamson is by far and away my favourite player atm. He not only has the potential to be one of (if not THE) greatest batsman we ever had. But he's also an amazing leader and will no doubt captain NZ in the future.

    "He can lead NZ to great success if the team follows his wonderful example. Also no need to compare him to players, He is Kane Williamson, and soon we will be comparing players to KW himself." +1

    I think people need to remember that although Willy only averages 40 from his entire career GET THIS

    He averages 66 in the last 12 months and 64 since the start of this year. He averages 87 in tests we have won in the last 2 years (47 in tests lost)

    AND I think the most important stat of all is...

    Overseas in the last 12 months Williamson averages 82

    Ily williamson <3

  • StevieS on July 4, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    Pras248 averages can be deceiving, especially when someone starts so young and hadn't yet found his feet. Last 15 test matches he averages over 50.

  • StevieS on July 4, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Such a great team man, doesn't care about averages or the captaincy, just does what ever is best for the team.

  • Prodger on July 4, 2014, 6:01 GMT

    We are impressed with the way Williamson is shaping up, he watches the ball closely onto the bat and has good concentration. If he keeps up to this standard he could be Yorkshire's finest No 3 since Douglas Padgett

  • 22many on July 4, 2014, 4:49 GMT

    pleased for Williamson and have big hopes for his future...am pleased he has had someone like Taylor there to bring Williamson through as the senior player....have looked back on Taylors career and you see that he was basically the senior batsman after six tests...all the senior batters had bolted.... hopefully Taylor and Williamson will now lead all the young talent that is emerging amongst the ranks of NZ cricket to greatness ....when was the last time NZ had two great middle order batsman like we have now and then with the likes of Neesham and Anderson backing them up....and not to forget our outstanding opening bowlers....exciting times ahead. .

  • on July 4, 2014, 3:23 GMT

    Williamson is a phenomenal talent and has every chance to become NZ greatest test batsmen. I think in ODI and T20 cricket he is consistently good but is unable to unleash and get runs very quickly if needed, but what he does do is bring stability to the top order, the amount of times Taylor and Kane came together with NZ in trouble, to then go on and win the game, is unthinkable. He will have a 50+ ave in Test cricket, an average of mid 40's for ODI's and an average of mid 30's for T20...He can lead NZ to great success if the team follows his wonderful example. Also no need to compare him to players, He is Kane Williamson, and soon we will be comparing players to KW himself.

  • BlakeHoulihan on July 4, 2014, 2:30 GMT

    Such a humble young man. He is destined for greatness.

  • on July 4, 2014, 0:36 GMT

    This is a guy i can imagine averaging over 50 when retired. The right attitude,temperament and plays all formats very well. all the best kane.

  • on July 3, 2014, 21:08 GMT

    I think its really a positive sign that someone like Kane Williamson who is still very young realizes and emphasizes on the importance of team over individual. That attitude apart from the batting itself is bound to remind us all of Rahul Dravid. Way to go 'Kane', you are really 'Able', don't kill that ;) (and we know you won't) Your batting spells out class.

  • gandabhai on July 3, 2014, 19:14 GMT

    I watch a lot of cricket,i must say, he is a pleasure to watch. Keep it up son.

  • Jordanious77 on July 4, 2014, 8:50 GMT

    Really good interview. Kane Williamson is by far and away my favourite player atm. He not only has the potential to be one of (if not THE) greatest batsman we ever had. But he's also an amazing leader and will no doubt captain NZ in the future.

    "He can lead NZ to great success if the team follows his wonderful example. Also no need to compare him to players, He is Kane Williamson, and soon we will be comparing players to KW himself." +1

    I think people need to remember that although Willy only averages 40 from his entire career GET THIS

    He averages 66 in the last 12 months and 64 since the start of this year. He averages 87 in tests we have won in the last 2 years (47 in tests lost)

    AND I think the most important stat of all is...

    Overseas in the last 12 months Williamson averages 82

    Ily williamson <3

  • StevieS on July 4, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    Pras248 averages can be deceiving, especially when someone starts so young and hadn't yet found his feet. Last 15 test matches he averages over 50.

  • StevieS on July 4, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Such a great team man, doesn't care about averages or the captaincy, just does what ever is best for the team.

  • Prodger on July 4, 2014, 6:01 GMT

    We are impressed with the way Williamson is shaping up, he watches the ball closely onto the bat and has good concentration. If he keeps up to this standard he could be Yorkshire's finest No 3 since Douglas Padgett

  • 22many on July 4, 2014, 4:49 GMT

    pleased for Williamson and have big hopes for his future...am pleased he has had someone like Taylor there to bring Williamson through as the senior player....have looked back on Taylors career and you see that he was basically the senior batsman after six tests...all the senior batters had bolted.... hopefully Taylor and Williamson will now lead all the young talent that is emerging amongst the ranks of NZ cricket to greatness ....when was the last time NZ had two great middle order batsman like we have now and then with the likes of Neesham and Anderson backing them up....and not to forget our outstanding opening bowlers....exciting times ahead. .

  • on July 4, 2014, 3:23 GMT

    Williamson is a phenomenal talent and has every chance to become NZ greatest test batsmen. I think in ODI and T20 cricket he is consistently good but is unable to unleash and get runs very quickly if needed, but what he does do is bring stability to the top order, the amount of times Taylor and Kane came together with NZ in trouble, to then go on and win the game, is unthinkable. He will have a 50+ ave in Test cricket, an average of mid 40's for ODI's and an average of mid 30's for T20...He can lead NZ to great success if the team follows his wonderful example. Also no need to compare him to players, He is Kane Williamson, and soon we will be comparing players to KW himself.

  • BlakeHoulihan on July 4, 2014, 2:30 GMT

    Such a humble young man. He is destined for greatness.

  • on July 4, 2014, 0:36 GMT

    This is a guy i can imagine averaging over 50 when retired. The right attitude,temperament and plays all formats very well. all the best kane.

  • on July 3, 2014, 21:08 GMT

    I think its really a positive sign that someone like Kane Williamson who is still very young realizes and emphasizes on the importance of team over individual. That attitude apart from the batting itself is bound to remind us all of Rahul Dravid. Way to go 'Kane', you are really 'Able', don't kill that ;) (and we know you won't) Your batting spells out class.

  • gandabhai on July 3, 2014, 19:14 GMT

    I watch a lot of cricket,i must say, he is a pleasure to watch. Keep it up son.

  • on July 3, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    If NZ keep it up they can be ranked third soon behind Australia , then South Africa. Keep it up.

  • Seanny on July 3, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    It's so good and satisfying to see this young lad who I believe is the most worthy torch bearer of the test cricket. He's got elegance, class, temperament, timing, sheerness and above all, very cool head head on his shoulders. It won't be rhetoric to say that at times, he reminds me of Rahul Dravid. He's destined to achieve greatness in the game and I wish him all the best; I love NZL team since the Crowe days and seeing the new batch consisting of Anderson, McClanaghan, Neesham, Watling etc donning the blacks gives me immense joy. Although for me the best NZL batsman who ever played would always be the classy Martin Crowe, but Kane is sure going to find his place up in all time greats. All the best to NZL for the 2015 WC.

  • JoshFromJamRock on July 3, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    Kane is destined for greatness. With their bowlers reasonably young having probably at least another 4 year together, NZ could well be in the top 5 behind South Africa and the "Big Three" just on their bowling alone. If Kane gets enough support from the other batsmen, NZ would more likely overtake the Aussies (given their upcoming batting transition) first before seriously challenging the other top 4 teams.

  • kiwicricketnut on July 3, 2014, 8:35 GMT

    hes got some work to do to catch ross taylor who will probably end his career as our greatest batsman but i've got no doubt he'll get there and have an average in excess of 50 not that it matters to him, what a champ

  • on July 3, 2014, 8:29 GMT

    Williamson is a champion for sure and should continue to score runs in what should be a long Test career with the captaincy at some stage too. Not sure about NZ as a whole though winning for years to come as NZ need to be allowed to play against Australia and SA more often to gain that experience against the top teams as playing the WI more than any other team is not going to progress the team as they should be. Defo moving in the right direction though , so it's good too see.

  • on July 3, 2014, 7:30 GMT

    Kane Williamson is Jr.RSD Has good temperment comes in line with the ball & plays excellant.In test only thing is stick to the wicket & play the right ball you will definately get runs.Kane gets adjusted to all the 3 formats of the game & plays maturedly.Only thing is that consistantance is important now for Kane. Never get carried away.Kane must develop concentration now which is important & never go into the shell. All the best KANE!!!!

  • on July 3, 2014, 5:23 GMT

    What a mature player with the right attitude .He will no doubt pass even crowe with this attitude Certainly one of the best young batsmen he has cemented his place along with the likes of Kohli Mathews Pujara Steve Smith as batsmen to watch for in the next decade .

  • on July 3, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    Kane is a real talent NZ has got. Infact NZ is lucky to have him. With his right temperament and attitude he has become the most value asset for NZ. NZ batting revolves around him and yes his are innings are delightful to watch...

  • on July 3, 2014, 4:38 GMT

    Kane Dubya is a class bat, really satisfying guy to have in the team from a NZ fan's perspective. It's just a pity he's not more insightful and forthcoming in this interview. NZ sportsmen are rarely good in front of the media. Still, he seems genuine here, and I believe he's telling the truth when he talks about the team coming first and his average not mattering. Great 161* the other day too. Be more brash Kane!

  • Grassed_it on July 3, 2014, 4:13 GMT

    Excellent batsman with an amazing temperament. He might not average high enough for a no.3 now, but I'm damn sure he WILL score loads of runs in future, no doubt. Good to see him play well against spinners too... Good Luck Kane:) .. From an Indian Fan

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  • Grassed_it on July 3, 2014, 4:13 GMT

    Excellent batsman with an amazing temperament. He might not average high enough for a no.3 now, but I'm damn sure he WILL score loads of runs in future, no doubt. Good to see him play well against spinners too... Good Luck Kane:) .. From an Indian Fan

  • on July 3, 2014, 4:38 GMT

    Kane Dubya is a class bat, really satisfying guy to have in the team from a NZ fan's perspective. It's just a pity he's not more insightful and forthcoming in this interview. NZ sportsmen are rarely good in front of the media. Still, he seems genuine here, and I believe he's telling the truth when he talks about the team coming first and his average not mattering. Great 161* the other day too. Be more brash Kane!

  • on July 3, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    Kane is a real talent NZ has got. Infact NZ is lucky to have him. With his right temperament and attitude he has become the most value asset for NZ. NZ batting revolves around him and yes his are innings are delightful to watch...

  • on July 3, 2014, 5:23 GMT

    What a mature player with the right attitude .He will no doubt pass even crowe with this attitude Certainly one of the best young batsmen he has cemented his place along with the likes of Kohli Mathews Pujara Steve Smith as batsmen to watch for in the next decade .

  • on July 3, 2014, 7:30 GMT

    Kane Williamson is Jr.RSD Has good temperment comes in line with the ball & plays excellant.In test only thing is stick to the wicket & play the right ball you will definately get runs.Kane gets adjusted to all the 3 formats of the game & plays maturedly.Only thing is that consistantance is important now for Kane. Never get carried away.Kane must develop concentration now which is important & never go into the shell. All the best KANE!!!!

  • on July 3, 2014, 8:29 GMT

    Williamson is a champion for sure and should continue to score runs in what should be a long Test career with the captaincy at some stage too. Not sure about NZ as a whole though winning for years to come as NZ need to be allowed to play against Australia and SA more often to gain that experience against the top teams as playing the WI more than any other team is not going to progress the team as they should be. Defo moving in the right direction though , so it's good too see.

  • kiwicricketnut on July 3, 2014, 8:35 GMT

    hes got some work to do to catch ross taylor who will probably end his career as our greatest batsman but i've got no doubt he'll get there and have an average in excess of 50 not that it matters to him, what a champ

  • JoshFromJamRock on July 3, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    Kane is destined for greatness. With their bowlers reasonably young having probably at least another 4 year together, NZ could well be in the top 5 behind South Africa and the "Big Three" just on their bowling alone. If Kane gets enough support from the other batsmen, NZ would more likely overtake the Aussies (given their upcoming batting transition) first before seriously challenging the other top 4 teams.

  • Seanny on July 3, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    It's so good and satisfying to see this young lad who I believe is the most worthy torch bearer of the test cricket. He's got elegance, class, temperament, timing, sheerness and above all, very cool head head on his shoulders. It won't be rhetoric to say that at times, he reminds me of Rahul Dravid. He's destined to achieve greatness in the game and I wish him all the best; I love NZL team since the Crowe days and seeing the new batch consisting of Anderson, McClanaghan, Neesham, Watling etc donning the blacks gives me immense joy. Although for me the best NZL batsman who ever played would always be the classy Martin Crowe, but Kane is sure going to find his place up in all time greats. All the best to NZL for the 2015 WC.

  • on July 3, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    If NZ keep it up they can be ranked third soon behind Australia , then South Africa. Keep it up.