August 18, 2014

'You should not be embarrassing your country'

Former players react to India's humiliating 1-3 series defeat in England
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"If you do not want to be playing Test cricket for India, quit. Just play limited-overs cricket. You should not be embarrassing your country like that."
Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar

"It's a disgrace to think that India have been blown away in 29 overs under blue skies on a pitch that was only doing a bit. They should be embarrassed. Some of those strokes were of players who didn't want to fight for their country."
Former England captain Michael Vaughan

"India were pathetic when they had to bat and bowl on two seaming, swinging pitches at Old Trafford and The Oval... The Indian batsmen were like lambs to the slaughter."
Former England captain Geoffrey Boycott

"Dhoni led the team poorly. His selection policy, strategy, field placing and bowling changes lacked commonsense ... Unfortunately for him and India, he had Duncan Fletcher as the coach who, it seems, is devoid of any ideas and has no clue as to how to turn things around."
Former India captain Dilip Vengsarkar

"The support staff and the think tank really let down the team very badly. I hope the BCCI sacks them immediately unless they go once again by what the senior players in the team feel about them" he said.

"I'm not happy with his keeping and captaincy. He's got his own mind. He always keeps repeating that. He always expects a miracle. Miracles cannot happen all the time. It happens once in a blue moon."
Former India captain Gundappa Viswanath

"I am surprised these youngsters did not change their technique which a player like (Alastair) Cook did after England's defeat at Lord's by standing a few feet outside the crease to counter Bhuvneshwar Kumar's swing bowling."
Former India captain Chandu Borde

"What was Fletcher doing after we won the Lord's Test on a difficult pitch? This is where he lacked imagination in keeping the lead. Yes, I think Fletcher has to go."
Former India captain Ajit Wadekar

"I am categorically saying that Fletcher's contribution to the team was a big zero."
Former India offspinner Erapalli Prasanna

"The first people to take [Narendra] Modi's speech seriously is the Indian cricket team. Their runs will now only be Made in India."
Indian politician Digvijaya Singh, referring to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's recent call to strengthen India's manufacturing sector

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  • POSTED BY Audhees on | August 22, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    These losses will not change, unless BCCI changes. Being the richest board in the world, BCCI is still targeting in making money. There are more talents in India than anyone else has. But still, they couldn't make it, due to the high politics involved in BCCI. BCCI should be come under Government control. Then please give the test captain to somebody else other than Dhoni. He already tired of playing cricket. Give him some rest. I am sure Kohli and Pujara will come back strongly, so no worries on batting. And bowling concerns will always be there for India from the origin of cricket.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 21, 2014, 9:34 GMT

    Everyone in the team has to take responsibility for this debacle. The batsmen with their pathetic batting display, Captain with some really poor field placements and poor bowling changes, coach with some unimaginative coaching and the players in general for a pathetic display of international fielding and morale. No one person deserves to be blamed.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 21, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    Everyone in the team has to take responsibility for this debacle. The batsmen with their pathetic batting display, Captain with some really poor field placements and poor bowling changes, coach with some unimaginative coaching and the players in general for a pathetic display of international fielding and morale. No one person deserves to be blamed.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 21, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    The blame completely lies with our top 4 batsmen - Vijay, Gambhir/Dhawan, Pukars & Kohli. How much do you expect the bowlers to do when the batsmen have put up less than 200 runs in every innings.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 20, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    india has won at lords dat means dey can play better but dhoni defensive capt.hurt us by taking rohit sharma insist of going 5 bowlers n 6 batsman.frm d start it was clear tht india wont win dat wat his def.capt. start. n momentum.was shift to engl. n eng has new player dan also dey perform much better dan us.if bcci dont tak any action dan d future is nt bright for bcci

  • POSTED BY YoBro on | August 19, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    @Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist: Your ire against Fletcher is understandable, but why're you so mad at Dhoni? The guy led us to #1 position in all 3 formats and in this series, has among the top 3 batting averages in our side (top 2 among batsmen anyway, and way ahead of your favorite to succeed - Pujara). Maybe your should put the blame where it resides: the failures of #3 and #4 in 10 straight innings despite getting decent starts thanks to Vijay in almost all of the matches.

  • POSTED BY jacobsymon on | August 19, 2014, 15:55 GMT

    Experts says Dhoni's captainncy problem ? 3rd test 2nd innings india all out 178, 4th test ist innings 152 all out, 2nd inninngs 161 all out, 5th test india 1st innings 148 all out , 2nd innings 94 all out, total 5 innigs india 733 runs dhoni total runs in series 349 kohli all series(10 inninngs) 134 runs good luck Batsmen are failed to score runs captain problem ? bowling changes field placement is more concern for captain A team is not able to score t20 match score can win a test mach ?

  • POSTED BY Ananth83 on | August 19, 2014, 8:28 GMT

    All the comments from the seniors are deserved but it is unfair to blame Dhoni solely for this extreme humiliation. The whole unit (Batting, Bowling and Fielding) failed collectively. Dhoni deserves lot of criticism for shoddy keeping and some unimaginative captaincy but I do not think anyone else would've done any better if all the units fail together. It is a good chance for someone new to know how to captain a team starting from the Home west indies series and then captain the team in Australia. It would be a good beginning. The only candidates for captaincy in the team are Kohli (even though I am not in favor of this as his batting is already suffering), Ashwin (even though he has a long way to go to prove that he deserves a place in the 11 for his bowling). All others apart from Kohli and Ashwin are just hanging in the team. Vijay, Rahane, Bhuvi, Ishant, Shami, Pujara, Jadeja are not captaincy material and the only alternatives available for India are Kohli and Ashwin.

  • POSTED BY crikhardcore on | August 19, 2014, 5:00 GMT

    Wooh !!That is some statement by Sunil Gavaskar!!!!

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | August 18, 2014, 22:36 GMT

    Just take a look at what our former greats have to say. They are right. Time for some changes. @Dravid_Gravitas I completely agree with you - this has been coming for years. We are all tired of these thrashings abroad. BCCI PLEASE do something so that we can hold our heads up again.

  • POSTED BY Audhees on | August 22, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    These losses will not change, unless BCCI changes. Being the richest board in the world, BCCI is still targeting in making money. There are more talents in India than anyone else has. But still, they couldn't make it, due to the high politics involved in BCCI. BCCI should be come under Government control. Then please give the test captain to somebody else other than Dhoni. He already tired of playing cricket. Give him some rest. I am sure Kohli and Pujara will come back strongly, so no worries on batting. And bowling concerns will always be there for India from the origin of cricket.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 21, 2014, 9:34 GMT

    Everyone in the team has to take responsibility for this debacle. The batsmen with their pathetic batting display, Captain with some really poor field placements and poor bowling changes, coach with some unimaginative coaching and the players in general for a pathetic display of international fielding and morale. No one person deserves to be blamed.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 21, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    Everyone in the team has to take responsibility for this debacle. The batsmen with their pathetic batting display, Captain with some really poor field placements and poor bowling changes, coach with some unimaginative coaching and the players in general for a pathetic display of international fielding and morale. No one person deserves to be blamed.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 21, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    The blame completely lies with our top 4 batsmen - Vijay, Gambhir/Dhawan, Pukars & Kohli. How much do you expect the bowlers to do when the batsmen have put up less than 200 runs in every innings.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 20, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    india has won at lords dat means dey can play better but dhoni defensive capt.hurt us by taking rohit sharma insist of going 5 bowlers n 6 batsman.frm d start it was clear tht india wont win dat wat his def.capt. start. n momentum.was shift to engl. n eng has new player dan also dey perform much better dan us.if bcci dont tak any action dan d future is nt bright for bcci

  • POSTED BY YoBro on | August 19, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    @Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist: Your ire against Fletcher is understandable, but why're you so mad at Dhoni? The guy led us to #1 position in all 3 formats and in this series, has among the top 3 batting averages in our side (top 2 among batsmen anyway, and way ahead of your favorite to succeed - Pujara). Maybe your should put the blame where it resides: the failures of #3 and #4 in 10 straight innings despite getting decent starts thanks to Vijay in almost all of the matches.

  • POSTED BY jacobsymon on | August 19, 2014, 15:55 GMT

    Experts says Dhoni's captainncy problem ? 3rd test 2nd innings india all out 178, 4th test ist innings 152 all out, 2nd inninngs 161 all out, 5th test india 1st innings 148 all out , 2nd innings 94 all out, total 5 innigs india 733 runs dhoni total runs in series 349 kohli all series(10 inninngs) 134 runs good luck Batsmen are failed to score runs captain problem ? bowling changes field placement is more concern for captain A team is not able to score t20 match score can win a test mach ?

  • POSTED BY Ananth83 on | August 19, 2014, 8:28 GMT

    All the comments from the seniors are deserved but it is unfair to blame Dhoni solely for this extreme humiliation. The whole unit (Batting, Bowling and Fielding) failed collectively. Dhoni deserves lot of criticism for shoddy keeping and some unimaginative captaincy but I do not think anyone else would've done any better if all the units fail together. It is a good chance for someone new to know how to captain a team starting from the Home west indies series and then captain the team in Australia. It would be a good beginning. The only candidates for captaincy in the team are Kohli (even though I am not in favor of this as his batting is already suffering), Ashwin (even though he has a long way to go to prove that he deserves a place in the 11 for his bowling). All others apart from Kohli and Ashwin are just hanging in the team. Vijay, Rahane, Bhuvi, Ishant, Shami, Pujara, Jadeja are not captaincy material and the only alternatives available for India are Kohli and Ashwin.

  • POSTED BY crikhardcore on | August 19, 2014, 5:00 GMT

    Wooh !!That is some statement by Sunil Gavaskar!!!!

  • POSTED BY Hash_Tag on | August 18, 2014, 22:36 GMT

    Just take a look at what our former greats have to say. They are right. Time for some changes. @Dravid_Gravitas I completely agree with you - this has been coming for years. We are all tired of these thrashings abroad. BCCI PLEASE do something so that we can hold our heads up again.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 18, 2014, 19:55 GMT

    One thing I want to remind everybody is, it is a joke to think that there is no better wicket keeper batsman in India than Dhoni. Sanju, Saha, Naman, DK to mention a few. And please don't cry, "Then who will be the captain"? Is Dhoni a captain at all? Somebody who doesn't see the difference between a 3 day loss and a hard fought loss?? Nuff said about this high paid disgrace! I am sure Dhoni would sack his manager if his manager were to come up with financial losses time and again. His manager would never have gotten the chance to say, "What's the difference if the loss is 5000 or 5 crores? A loss is a loss", because he would have been fired long back by Dhoni! And here we are, thinking who will replace Dhoni. That's sad! Anybody with a bit of pride can replace him. Simple as that! It won't be long before this team will not have sponsors and the fans stop following this team. The players are different but the Captain-Coach Combo is the same. Drop Dhoni from the squad. Sack the Coach!

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    Vishy comments are very apt and understandable. Mr MSD Keeping has been untidy, not up to test standards and with his presence no Wicket keepers in the country will ever get a chance to play for India however hard he may try.

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    This team has absolutely no figting spirit! I am not aware if there is dissention in the ranks or they simply decided that their tour to England was a mid-year vacation but they did not perform like a united team. MS Dhoni has always been a WEAK test captain, this has been masked to a great extent in the past by players having career best performances. His in and out field settings and generally poor captaincy has allowed a pathetic bunch of mediocre players like Root, Robson & Balance to look like world beaters. These very same players looked as if they did not know how to bat in the series against the Aussies. The less said about the wickets they gifted Moeen Ali the better. An U-15 team would have fared better! Team India's performance was disgusting - even Independance Day failing during the test failed to inspire these overpaid disgraces. Drop Dhoni as Captain & for the love of cricket kick Fletcher to the curb.

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    Agree with baba6660's comments. Some of the criticism has been harsh and unrealistic. Yes! India has been comprehensively beaten in English conditions. team vs. team England were superior in ALL departments. It was suprising to see how our team capitulated after Lords upon news of injury to premier fast bowler Ishant. I also sense appetite in BCCI to look beyond Dhoni/ Fletcher. However, we need to think before enacting changes, as test teams develop into winning combinations over years. The right input needs to be invested into and patiently nurtured. It is also unlikely that we will have overnight success, as some contributors to this forum expect. The first job will be to scout for a captain. Alas! there aren't many on the horizon...

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    Dhoni should retire from test cricket and sanju Samson or naman ojha or whriddHiman Singh should replace dhoni. Rohit sharma should play and be captain. Who could be India next captain? Virat or rohit or suresh raina or shikhar dhawan. Bring back suresh raina and rohit sharma, sanju samson. New captain means new plans new team

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 18, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    So wow, it took some experts a 0-4, 0-4, 1-2, 0-1, 0-1 and now a 1-3 thrashing to realize that Fletcher is useless and Dhoni is useless; apparently very few think the Dhoni-Fletcher Combo has to go. Good for these experts. Heads have to roll for sure. It has to be Dhoni-Fletcher Combo and all the imports pretending as bowling and fielding coaches. Please approach Dravid, Ganguly, Kumble, Kapil Paaji, Bishen Paaji with these honourable and respected job offers and see if they are interested. They may make mistakes. But their commitment is never in question unlike this shameless captain (who sees no harm in losing in 3 days when rain is right around the corner) and a couch potato coach, looking into his laptop all the while. BTW, Duncan Fletcher was a mediocre player when he was playing too. Isn't this the same guy who was Captain of the Zimbabwe team when Kapil Paaji caned them in 1983 Prudential Cup? Since when, Zimbabweans of that era have become great coaches and shrewd thinkers?

  • POSTED BY p3000g on | August 18, 2014, 15:56 GMT

    Time has come to do some deep retrospection. India should have separate teams and captains for Tests, ODIs and T20s.. Barring a few, the teams should be mutually exclusive.. The toughest and the best should play in the tests.. Those playing tests should only concentrate on the five day game and develop their skills in that area.. Those playing limited overs cricket should concentrate on that format only.. I firmly believe that limited overs cricket (especially T20) has led to the lack of technique in both batsmen and bowlers.. And finally, T20 should be scrapped totally , if possible

  • POSTED BY Bhishma on | August 18, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    When we are juggling with the permutation and combination of some 15 players, we are forgetting the talented bunch who deserve a look. Like Ojha and Mishra, Iqbal Abdulla has been quite successful in domestic cricket. Ishwar Pandey deserves to be tried and Mithun and Dinda should actively be considered.

    Kedar Jadhav or Rahul KL can fill the opener's slot. Jivanjot Singh and Karun Nair are also good prospects.

    Having said all that, the immediate action should be to axe Dhoni and Fletcher from the test team. A team cannot win a 5 day match with such negative and unimaginative captain and coach.

  • POSTED BY ravimenon on | August 18, 2014, 13:54 GMT

    2011 when we played England, they were the best that time. They looked like a champion from the very first ball. They had some problems with their batting initially against out quick bowlers, but the came out with grit and determination and well supported by MSD's unimaginative captaincy.

    But, now, they were a beaten side before start, looked horrible as a team, But still we ended up pathetically beaten. Here we started rather well but forgot to play gradually again due to unimaginative team selection & captaincy.

    Edges were falling short regularly but our slippers maintained the same gap and distance. India were always comfortable with 7 Batsman including Dhoni, but somehow they decided to go with 5 batsman and the bowlers selected was Binny, who very rarely bowls in Ranji trophy. Jadeja was in team for 4 tests and he looked a very low class bowler.

  • POSTED BY desiboy454 on | August 18, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Harsh but its the truth. This was embarrassing, Fletcher/Dhoni combo has been pathetic. Honestly I do not see what Fletcher has done in 3 years with this team, he is this old coach who doesnt have the appitie anymore. As for Dhoni, ODIs, not even t20 should be his focus. He should quit t20/tests. play ODIs. This way he can be fresh and play his game. My only problem is that there is no one else to take over as captain in tests. Virat or Pujara are not ready. This is my opnion 1. Viajy 2. 3. Pujara 4. Virat 5. Rahane 6. Samson (WK) 7. Ashwin (C) 8. Bhuvi 9. Umesh/Ishant 10. Aaron 11. Pragyan Ojha.... I think Ashwin has a good cricketing brain, and Ojha can be the lead spinner with Ashwin being the all-rounder. Samson is young and fresh and can take on the responsibility. My only dilemma.. Who OPENS? this was an embarrassing show by India and MSD.

  • POSTED BY icommoner on | August 18, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    Bring back Viru, Gauti, Yuvi, Bhajji, Zak and Irfan. All these players are match winners and need to be backed to give their ultimate best in their final stretch. Gambhir was given chance after 2 years in a very serious pressure, where India was already 1 down. It is quite unfair to criticize him where majestic Pujara and Kohli failed miserably. Gambhir is still fit and young and should be given chance to play his game. If Dhoni still continues to play for India, no one can save utter carnage for Indian cricket. Except Pujara, Kohli and Rahane, I don't see Vijay (even though he scored runs in first 2 tests!), Dhawan, Jadeja, Aswin, Binny, and Shami good enough to play any kind of cricket. Bhuvi, Ishant and Varun should be under scanner and i'm not sure whether these guys are good enough to play for long time!

  • POSTED BY CricketChat on | August 18, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Agree with all the former great's assessments. It did seem the Ind players were ready for a fight outside the ground, just not on it. No, most of these players are too well off from all the wealth acquired through IPLs. So, there was no need to put themselves through any sort of discomfort. Bide a few months and the next IPL is around!

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    ha ha i am laughing at people saying make Ashwin captain.. He is the most overrated spinner.. Yes he seems to bat well, but that doesnt mean he can be made captain, i will be surprised if he keeps his place for next tour.. We need a spinner who can take wickets and create pressure to supplement our pacers.. Obviously we dont have pacers like Johnson to run through a batting order, our spinners need to take more responsibility.. As for batsmen , Kohli need to learn.. i am his big fan but to see him get out again and again same fashion was pretty disheartening.. We also need a good opener.. I will still give Dhawan more chance.. Gambhir came back and it seems right out of 2011.. playing the same way getting out the same way.. Play dhawan or look for new openers in domestic cricket.. or play Rahane as opener..

  • POSTED BY baba6660 on | August 18, 2014, 12:47 GMT

    I felt the same way about Mr Gavaskar when he scored 35 runs in 60 overs in a world cup match in England. I feel we are being too harsh and its not correct to conclude that players like Kohli, Pujara, Rahane & Dhoni like to play only the shorter form of the game. Infact Pujara is not selected for the shorter version. The problem is one of patience and adjusting to the seaming tracks and English conditions. I guess a couple of years playing county cricket will do a world of good to our players.

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 12:28 GMT

    Make Ashwin the Captain.. Play him at 6.. Play Mishra in the team.. Umesh, Aaron and Bhuvi, form the core of the bowling attack.. Kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Vijay, Dhawan and Gambhir must quit the IPL or the ODIs.. That was some lame batting since the second innings at Southampton.. All that was tactical error from Dhoni when he decided to play the 6th batsman.. If five don't do it, the sixth is not going to.. Especially when there are Bhuvaneshwar Kumar and Jadeja playing at 8 and 9..

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 18, 2014, 11:56 GMT

    It's a shame for all the cricketing loving Indians

  • POSTED BY Arrow011 on | August 18, 2014, 11:46 GMT

    I think it is time Ashwin plays at 5 & Dhoni plays at 6 in tests. Ashwin should be made the captain of Indian test team, enough of Dhoni as captain, though as keeper & batsman he is good. If Naman Ojha is there Dhoni can play as a batsman only.

  • POSTED BY Nervewrecker on | August 18, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    If this debacle doesn't shake things up, nothing ever will. Cometh the next home series vs West Indies, Indian batsmen will score big on some of the easiest pitches, the spinners will take a lot of wickets, Dhoni will win the series, everyone will be happy again and India will head to Australia for another ambush.

  • POSTED BY srikanths on | August 18, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    Even the great Sachin Tendulkar played a season in England to hone his skilss and Dravid played in 2000 . One was an all time World XI calibre and another an all time great, even they thought good to have that experience. Here we are talking of very good players Kohli and Pujara but who have no idea how to play in England. Only way out is for them to play county cricket for couple of seasons and develop the skills

    Even the greatest of them all SRT, failed in his last tour and in the failed tour he averaged 34.Even the legend Dravid failed on his first Australian trip and look he turned around in 2003-04 Oz tour The whole thing will boil down to whether a Kohli and Pujara wanty to just make their money in IPL , get big scores in India and be done with crikcet or they want to be ranked with the best, if so , they will have to focus on Tests abroad BCCI shud look beyond immediate money from IPL , spend money to let players develop skills for Tests abroad.

  • POSTED BY joseyesu on | August 18, 2014, 11:09 GMT

    Tell me Are the players are not good enough to play test match or do we need more exposure to Eng pitches. When Vijay, Dhoni and Bhuveshwar and Ashwin can bat in this pitches, then why not Gambir, Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli. Last time RP singh was brought to the team unexpectedly and this time Gambir.

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 10:54 GMT

    need some strict decision... have to be taken by board.......... all players have capability we all know.... should play more test series+ ipl format should be minimized or discontinue( if possible)+ domestic test format should improvised( BET FOUR BEST TEAM IND A, B , C , D) .

  • POSTED BY cktspirit on | August 18, 2014, 10:51 GMT

    Would agree with most comments here. It may be unfair just to make the coach responsible for this, what about captain and other staff. If captain can not instill confidence and inspire players, what is he there for? Dhoni did not manage the load well, he could have rotated players if they some of them were tired. Could have handled the bowlers better with shorter spells and new bowlers with some degree of confidence.

    It is an absolute lack of show that disappointed the fans, not the defeats. How to go down from a position of advantage, one can learn from our team.

  • POSTED BY yoogi on | August 18, 2014, 10:22 GMT

    Dhoni is the best keeper and batsman we got, even in Tests. But the schedule, the teams priorities are quite different.kholi and pujara are really good players, even B kumar, Ishant and Ashwin are matchwinners. But if India wants to be fully comitted to IPL, and have no time to prepare for overseas Test series, they should arrange only 7 match T20 that no one will remember after two weeks. That way, they can still make money and keep on killing cricket. No need to play 5 Test series in England, even Pujara wants to play Onedayers and T20s only. So we dont want any Test matches. Who wants to watch a test of endurance, display of skill? we need just bang, bank, oops. T20 is the way to go for india. Thats a lot easier than finding bowlers who can take 20 wickets and finding batsmen who can last 20 overs.

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  • POSTED BY yoogi on | August 18, 2014, 10:22 GMT

    Dhoni is the best keeper and batsman we got, even in Tests. But the schedule, the teams priorities are quite different.kholi and pujara are really good players, even B kumar, Ishant and Ashwin are matchwinners. But if India wants to be fully comitted to IPL, and have no time to prepare for overseas Test series, they should arrange only 7 match T20 that no one will remember after two weeks. That way, they can still make money and keep on killing cricket. No need to play 5 Test series in England, even Pujara wants to play Onedayers and T20s only. So we dont want any Test matches. Who wants to watch a test of endurance, display of skill? we need just bang, bank, oops. T20 is the way to go for india. Thats a lot easier than finding bowlers who can take 20 wickets and finding batsmen who can last 20 overs.

  • POSTED BY cktspirit on | August 18, 2014, 10:51 GMT

    Would agree with most comments here. It may be unfair just to make the coach responsible for this, what about captain and other staff. If captain can not instill confidence and inspire players, what is he there for? Dhoni did not manage the load well, he could have rotated players if they some of them were tired. Could have handled the bowlers better with shorter spells and new bowlers with some degree of confidence.

    It is an absolute lack of show that disappointed the fans, not the defeats. How to go down from a position of advantage, one can learn from our team.

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 10:54 GMT

    need some strict decision... have to be taken by board.......... all players have capability we all know.... should play more test series+ ipl format should be minimized or discontinue( if possible)+ domestic test format should improvised( BET FOUR BEST TEAM IND A, B , C , D) .

  • POSTED BY joseyesu on | August 18, 2014, 11:09 GMT

    Tell me Are the players are not good enough to play test match or do we need more exposure to Eng pitches. When Vijay, Dhoni and Bhuveshwar and Ashwin can bat in this pitches, then why not Gambir, Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli. Last time RP singh was brought to the team unexpectedly and this time Gambir.

  • POSTED BY srikanths on | August 18, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    Even the great Sachin Tendulkar played a season in England to hone his skilss and Dravid played in 2000 . One was an all time World XI calibre and another an all time great, even they thought good to have that experience. Here we are talking of very good players Kohli and Pujara but who have no idea how to play in England. Only way out is for them to play county cricket for couple of seasons and develop the skills

    Even the greatest of them all SRT, failed in his last tour and in the failed tour he averaged 34.Even the legend Dravid failed on his first Australian trip and look he turned around in 2003-04 Oz tour The whole thing will boil down to whether a Kohli and Pujara wanty to just make their money in IPL , get big scores in India and be done with crikcet or they want to be ranked with the best, if so , they will have to focus on Tests abroad BCCI shud look beyond immediate money from IPL , spend money to let players develop skills for Tests abroad.

  • POSTED BY Nervewrecker on | August 18, 2014, 11:38 GMT

    If this debacle doesn't shake things up, nothing ever will. Cometh the next home series vs West Indies, Indian batsmen will score big on some of the easiest pitches, the spinners will take a lot of wickets, Dhoni will win the series, everyone will be happy again and India will head to Australia for another ambush.

  • POSTED BY Arrow011 on | August 18, 2014, 11:46 GMT

    I think it is time Ashwin plays at 5 & Dhoni plays at 6 in tests. Ashwin should be made the captain of Indian test team, enough of Dhoni as captain, though as keeper & batsman he is good. If Naman Ojha is there Dhoni can play as a batsman only.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 18, 2014, 11:56 GMT

    It's a shame for all the cricketing loving Indians

  • POSTED BY on | August 18, 2014, 12:28 GMT

    Make Ashwin the Captain.. Play him at 6.. Play Mishra in the team.. Umesh, Aaron and Bhuvi, form the core of the bowling attack.. Kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Vijay, Dhawan and Gambhir must quit the IPL or the ODIs.. That was some lame batting since the second innings at Southampton.. All that was tactical error from Dhoni when he decided to play the 6th batsman.. If five don't do it, the sixth is not going to.. Especially when there are Bhuvaneshwar Kumar and Jadeja playing at 8 and 9..

  • POSTED BY baba6660 on | August 18, 2014, 12:47 GMT

    I felt the same way about Mr Gavaskar when he scored 35 runs in 60 overs in a world cup match in England. I feel we are being too harsh and its not correct to conclude that players like Kohli, Pujara, Rahane & Dhoni like to play only the shorter form of the game. Infact Pujara is not selected for the shorter version. The problem is one of patience and adjusting to the seaming tracks and English conditions. I guess a couple of years playing county cricket will do a world of good to our players.