England in New Zealand 2012-13

Woakes replaces Bresnan for NZ

George Dobell

January 24, 2013

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Chris Woakes celebrates taking a wicket, County Championship, Division One, Uxbridge, 1st day, August 1, 2012
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Chris Woakes has been selected ahead of Tim Bresnan in England's 15-man squad for the three Test series in New Zealand.

The omission of Eoin Morgan and Samit Patel are the other changes from the squad that beat India 2-1 before Christmas.

Woakes, Warwickshire's 23-year-old swing bowling allrounder, has played seven ODIs and three T20s for England but is yet to make his Test debut.

He has an excellent record at domestic level - a first-class batting average of 38.25 and first-class bowling average of 25.56 - and, despite a concern about the lack of pace in his bowling, has an ability to swing the ball both ways that could prove valuable in New Zealand. He recently had a brief stint with Wellington in New Zealand domestic cricket and claimed four wickets in two first-class matches at a cost of 57.50 apiece.

Bresnan, who has struggled to recapture his potency since an elbow operation in December 2011, will instead have the elbow assessed to see if any further treatment is required. Before the operation, Bresnan's Test bowling average was 23.60. Since the operation it is 55.43.

"We have a busy international summer ahead of us and the medical team felt this was an ideal opportunity for Tim Bresnan to take some time out to ensure his elbow is functioning effectively," Geoff Miller, England national selector, said. "Chris Woakes has impressed on the England Performance Programme and with England Lions and Warwickshire in recent years as well as with England in the limited overs formats. This is a good opportunity for him to gain further experience in the international environment."

England also announced that Craig Kieswetter has been dropped from the one-day squad and will return to Somerset to prepare for the new domestic season. Kieswetter has played 46 ODIs and 25 T20s for England, averaging 30.11 and 21.91 respectively.

"Craig has had an extended opportunity in ODI and T20 cricket," Miller said. "He has shown evidence of delivering performances on the international stage however we don't feel these have been delivered consistently enough. As we look forward to the Champions Trophy and Cricket World Cup in 2015 we will look to explore other options.

"The door is not closed to Craig, and he can fight his way back into contention for international selection through consistent high performances with Somerset."

Joe Root, Woakes and James Harris have been added to the ODI squad for the three-match series against New Zealand. Root's call-up means James Taylor has been appointed captain of the England Lions tour to Australia, for which Rikki Clarke, at the age of 31, has been called-up. The squad will play a series of limited-overs games in February.

Clarke has enjoyed a resurgence since joining Warwickshire for the 2009 season. Last year he averaged 32.14 with the bat and 18.00 with the ball in List A cricket. He played two Tests - both against Bangladesh -and 20 ODIs between 2003 and 2006.

England Test squad
Alastair Cook (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Stuart Broad, Nick Compton, Steven Finn, Graham Onions, Monty Panesar, Kevin Pietersen, Matt Prior, Joe Root, Graeme Swann, Jonathan Trott, Chris Woakes

England T20 squad
Stuart Broad (capt), Jonny Bairstow, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Michael Lumb, Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes, Luke Wright

England ODI squad
Alastair Cook (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler, Steven Finn, James Harris, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Joe Root, Graeme Swann, James Tredwell, Jonathan Trott, Chris Woakes

England Lions squad
James Taylor (capt), Gary Ballance, Scott Borthwick, Danny Briggs, Varun Chopra, Rikki Clarke, Matthew Coles, Ben Foakes, Alex Hales, Simon Kerrigan, Stuart Meaker, Craig Overton, Toby Roland-Jones, Ben Stokes, Reece Topley, James Vince, Chris Wright

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Posted by JG2704 on (January 26, 2013, 9:02 GMT)

@SirViv1973 on (January 24 2013, 21:00 PM GMT) PS - Why would it be a bad thing for England if Bell was rested and someone else came in and did a better job? Surely that has been a major problem in our selections in that we overdo the loyalty thing and it costs us. Jade (and others) in shorter formats - Bell and certain bowlers in tests. Jonny played better in 1 test vs SA than Bell did in the whole series. I'm not saying I want Jonny or whoever in or Bell out but I want to see equal opportunities and based on how the players are currently performing. Otherwise you are saying to a player you're in the side no matter how you perform and saying to a fringe player , the only way you get in is if we have an injury

Posted by JG2704 on (January 25, 2013, 22:28 GMT)

@RedRoseMan (Jan 25 2013, 11:02) I think Wright is at the top of his game right now. He was our best batsman in the T20WC - Re Craig - I'm not saying he should remain in the side but he has probably done better than Jade with the ball and Jade keeps his place. Even in the 1st ODI he finished the inns well. Just wondering when Jade last bowled well for England?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 25, 2013, 22:04 GMT)

@ brusselslion on (January 24 2013, 14:34 PM GMT) I said about this back along. I'd prefer to have seen Swann and Jimmy play the ODI series in India and KP the T20 series than a test series in NZ although I still think the selectors would have got it wrong and played Swann instead of Tredwell rather than alongside him

@SirViv1973 on (January 24 2013, 20:01 PM GMT) Personally , I don't think the 5/1/5 will ever happen - if they weren't prepared to try it when we were so woeful in UAE/SL and needed a win to preserve our number 1 ranking they'll never do it imo - although the difference with Woakes (from Bres and Broad) is that Woakes has been good enough for Warwicks with the bat alone in 2012 to earn a chance. Personally I think the selectors our hindering our chances and are so often stuck in a rut because past of past performances

Please publish this time

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 25, 2013, 19:34 GMT)

@Yorkshire 86, I think the biggest problem with having Monty in the ODI side is that he dosen't offer anything with the bat & despite having tried very hard over the yrs to improve his fielding he remains a liabilty, so for those reasons i'm not surprised Eng don't consider him for ODI's anymore. Besides Eng know what Monty can offer, in selecting Treadwell & giving him a chance the selectors have managed to find a player who looks at home at this level & can more than do a job if called upon in future, he's been Eng's best bowler in the series by some distance.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 25, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

@ RedRoseMan The fact is though that Wright is a far better batsman than what he was when he last played 50 over cricket for England and if he was good enough then why isn't he good enough now. He was awesome for Sussex last season in list A averaging 57 with 3 tons to his name at a run a ball, which was the best among England players if I'm not mistaken. He's obviously just concentrated on his batting the last couple of year less so being an all rounder and playing all around the world has helped him no end to become a more complete batsman. By comparison Hales averaged 31 with zero tons.

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (January 25, 2013, 16:14 GMT)

Patel is still the weak point in the team. One good game every ten and a walking wicket the other nine. We need 5 decent bowlers and batting to at least 7. The bowlers we need back the most are Tremlett and Panesar, people rave about Anderson but he has never been a great limited overs bowler. Monty should be playing in India right now, no excuses.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 25, 2013, 16:02 GMT)

@jb633, I completely disagree with your point about the IPL having an effect on the standard of overseas players Counties can attract. The IPL only started in 2008 and EC were struggling to find quality o'eas players long before that. The biggest single factor is the increase in of fixtures in the International calender over the last 12 -15 yrs & the advent of Central contracts. When I was growing up in the 80's we used to see all the world stars playing in CC as there was no international cricket during our summer. Things started to change a bit in the 90's as there began to be a steady increase in international commitments. However since the the start of the 00s its become almost impossible for Counties to sign current international players for the whole season.Since then counties have either had to chop & change their o'seas player using then on short term contracts or bring in a retired int or solid FC player from oz or SAF, the IPL has had little or no bearing on this.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 25, 2013, 15:42 GMT)

@davidpk, We certainly shouldn't take this series for granted. NZL have arguably their 2 most talented batsman likely to return in the form of Taylor & Ryder, there's also the return of their 2 best bowlers in Vettori & Southee & the possible inclusion of Ronchi as keeper/Batsman, who was close to getting in the oz team a few yrs back when Gilchrist retired. Add to the fact NZL will be at home, then I think this could be quite a tight series.

Posted by Charlie101 on (January 25, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

I think England have to look at their medical back up as both Bresnan and Broad have certainly been carrying injuries which should have ben sorted out. We have the reserves ( Onions , Meaker and Harris ) so there were plenty of alternatives who were fit and who also had been playing well enough to deserve a chance.

I hope that Bresnan will regain his form as he is a fine bowler and also that Broad will not be selected until his bowling pace is right up again.

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 25, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

kiwicricketnut not sure if the majority on here thinks its a forgone conclusion i know i dont. you were beaten in saffa land but we more than struggled against them. we should win but away from home not always sure with England. your best result in years was the drawn series in oz were they took you lightly.the English team and management for certain do not think it will be a cake walk. all 3 forms of the game will be keenly fought. but on form we should win the tests but i think you will will the shorter form games. England with the rotation and kp missing will be a big miss. bring it on should be a great contest.

Posted by RedRoseMan on (January 25, 2013, 11:02 GMT)

@JG2704 - Wright has had plenty of chances and only shown in brief flashes that he could be an international player. Hales will no doubt get further chances, though he has dropped down the pecking order for the moment. I know what you mean about the concern of having Cook, Bell and Trott, but to be fair they have all shown the ability to change their game and up the tempo, though I would really like to see another power player in the top four. There is nobody making a strong case to replace any one of those three at the moment.

As for Kieswetter, I'm sorry but for me he is a one dimensional player. He has little or no ability to score runs other than through the big shots and those are largely lofted drives. And he is at best an average keeper by international standards.

I agree 100% about Dernbach - its all very well having 15 different slow balls but after a while batsmen just play you as a slow bowler!

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 25, 2013, 10:58 GMT)

@tanstell87 Chris Tremlett missed most of last season with a serious injury. Played some Second XI games for Surrey and, I believe, had a First XI appearance or two, feeling his way back very slowly. Unlikely to be risked by England again except as a short-term replacement in a home series.

Posted by tanstell87 on (January 25, 2013, 10:46 GMT)

Indian fan here....good luck to number 2 test team against a KIWI side that may have Ross Taylor & Jesse Ryder back....the dropping of Bresnan is a clear indication that the England management wants to play Finn in all tests & with Broad struggling,Woakes is a good option to have...but there is Onions too & where is Ashes hero Chris Tremlett ?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 25, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

It does seem that the selectors treat different players with different loyalty. In the T20/ODI formats Keiswetter has got the axe and I can certainly go along with that. He has by and large not reproduced what he does for Somerset. But why has Dernbach retained his spot in the T20 squad. To me Craig has shown at least as much as Jade so why is one getting the chop and the other being dropped? Also re Morgan - I said this at the time when they gave him a full central contract - does anyone else think Eng saw Morgan as a like for like replacement for KP , thinking KP was not returning to the fold?

Posted by JG2704 on (January 25, 2013, 10:23 GMT)

@Chris_P on (January 24 2013, 20:57 PM GMT) Both Wright and Hales are deserving of opportunities IMO. I have already said I think it's bad having Bell,Trott and Cook in the same ODI side. If they are bringing Trott back , Hales could come in for Bell. Personally , if I had Hales in the side it would be either as an opener or at 3. Wright is another guy who deserves a chance.

@SamuelH on (January 24 2013, 21:40 PM GMT) You could be right there bud. See my comms to Chris P . I don't think I said about playing him at anything other than at 2 or 3

Posted by RedRoseMan on (January 25, 2013, 10:15 GMT)

@jpeacock158 - spot on about Woakes. The lack of pace by Test standards will mean that he is unlikely to be an automatic pick on flat decks - in Oz, on the Subcontinent - and at the Oval in August if we actually see a return to England having a Summer. But he is a very useful alternate when pitch and overhead conditions offer him something to work with and his batting offers an additional dimension. He obviously has it all to do yet, but if he can show some of his county batting form at Test level he might just give England the option of playing an additional bowler without sacrificing the long batting line-up. The problems that England has had with the no 6 slot since Collingwood's retirement (and arguably before his retirement!) mean that they could experiment with Prior at 6 and Woakes as a very competent no 7 - but only if he shows that he is up to the task.

He may yet get a chance in NZ - it is not that much of a long shot to see Finn and Broad being injured at the same time!

Posted by RedRoseMan on (January 25, 2013, 10:05 GMT)

@Liquefierrrr - good post and good pick! Kerrigan is a gem in the making and he is unlucky that England has some depth in the spin department at the moment, with Borthwick and Briggs both battling him to get to the top of the succession planning for Swann and Panesar (and Tredwell in the shorter format). Kerrigan's coach at Lancashire is the former England coach, Pete Moores, who rates him very highly indeed. And though Moores never really had the chance to make a mark with England, it was he that brought Swann into the team and made him into one of England's core players - as Swann has been to quick acknowledge.

So a good pick - but sorry, you can't have him!

Posted by jb633 on (January 25, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

I seriously hope that our selectors have learnt some lessons from our disastrous ODI tour of India. Namely, Kieswetter, Patel and Dernbach are not even close to international class. Kieswetter is a one dimensional player, who essentially struggles with any type of bowling unless it is fast and wide of off stump. Patel, was supposed to be the player perfectly suited to the Asian tracks, he could bowl 10 overs and keep the board ticking over against the spinners in the middle of the innings. He has done neither. I do not even need to discuss Dernbach. Matt Prior is essential in any format of the game. Granetd his ODI record is not great but he has improved massivley since he last played in the pyjamas. I really hope we never see these three in an England shirt again.

Posted by jb633 on (January 25, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

@Trickstar- fair point I have not watched much county cricket and the red ball stuff. Personally I don't think Woakes is up to much but the sample size I have to judge from is too small to have a reputable opinion. I will say this though, it is deceptive to judge a player simply based on first class stats. There is something more to cricket than how he performs in our first class season. The pitches last year were tailor made for seam bowling and the lack of quality batting has certainly decreased. The IPL has robbed the English FC circuit of the top draw overseas players that we had maybe 10 years ago. However, I do not deny that your knowledge of Woakes far outstrips my own. I have never been impressed but like you said he is more suited to red ball cricket and I have only seen him perform in the pyjama stuff.

Posted by brusselslion on (January 25, 2013, 9:10 GMT)

@kiwicricketnut on (January 25 2013, 04:47 AM GMT): Apologies. To a Kiwi supporter's eyes, I guess that a lot of the comments must seem somewhat patronising and possibily insulting. That certainly wasn't the intention behind my own earlier post although I recognise that it could come across that way. Once again, apologies. Having said that, I'm afraid that the back to back Ashes series are the most important cricket events for England over the next year. Whilst I'd love to see England win every match against NZ, if the choice is between losing both series, all ODIs and all 20/20 against you in return for 2 Ashes series wins then personally, I'll take the latter. Whatever the outcome of the forthcoming matches - and may the best team win - I hope that England and Kiwi fans can avoid the petty name calling and gloating that has polluted the India - England thread. (Ah, one more match and we're rid of it).

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 25, 2013, 8:43 GMT)

@SirViv I have to agree with you there. Monty is going as a loyalty bonus and to encourage him to keep working and pushing, even if I would not expect him to play in any of the Tests v New Zealand. Maybe also there is an element of reasoning that having a left-armer up the sleeve would allow some variety, if necessary, in a all right-arm attack.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 25, 2013, 8:05 GMT)

@Land47, you make a very good case for Treadwell's inclusion ahead of Monty. However Monty was one of our standout players in India and what sort of lesson would it send to him if he didn't even make the squad for this trip.

Posted by jkidst on (January 25, 2013, 6:15 GMT)

I hope Broad doesn't get back into the Test XI at the drop of a hat, let him get his pace back first. I'd take three number 11s in Finn, Anderson and Onions just so England can prove a point.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (January 25, 2013, 5:45 GMT)

Sorry bressylad, but with sooooo much talent in the ranks, youve gotta be hitting the mark all the time.

Posted by landl47 on (January 25, 2013, 5:24 GMT)

It's good to see Woakes selected for the test squad, though I think he won't play unless someone is injured. I'm actually sorry to see that he's also in the T20 and ODI squads; I don't think short format is his strength and I'd hate to see him judged on his performances in those games. Ultimately I believe he'll turn out to be a batting all-rounder in tests, able to bat #6 or 7 and bowl steadily. In fact, he'll turn out to be what Shane Watson should have been, but for injuries and the Aussies' need for him to bat higher.

As for the rest of the squad, pretty much as expected except for Monty. What is he doing in a test squad to play in NZ? Surely Tredwell would have been a better choice; he'll bowl just as well as Panesar in NZ conditions and he's a better bat and fielder. I doubt very much if England will play two spinners, so it's a replacement if Swann is injured that's needed. Where Panesar should have been picked is in the ODI squad for India, instead of Dernbach.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 25, 2013, 5:00 GMT)

@SamuelH on (January 24 2013, 21:40 PM GMT), many a batsman has a preferred or usual position but that doesn't mean that they can't bat elsewhere. Batting is batting, after all. The usual approach can vary from spot to spot but the mechanics are still the same. Some players struggle when moved and others don't. England are not going to break a successful opening partnership to bring someone in so if you were to ask Hales himself whether he'd rather bar down the order now or wait until an opening spot became available, I know what he'd tell you.

Posted by kiwicricketnut on (January 25, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

geez, all you poms are worried about is the ashes by the sound of most of these posts, another team worrying about the future instead of whats in front of them, maybe planning to beat nz would be smarter just ask the south african odi team. We have some very good players coming back to bolster our ranks and at home we will be no push over. On paper we have no right to beat you but if you're not going to take us seriously or you're only focused on the aussies maybe an upset isn't so far fetched.

Posted by Liquefierrrr on (January 25, 2013, 1:53 GMT)

@hhillbumper - I agree, the English (and they are actually English) bowlers on the up-and-coming list look fantastic. The 4 you mentioned look particularly impressive.

Tymal Mills, I've not heard much about him, but at the age of 20 (and with 21 FC wickets at under 32) he looks good on paper (especially his age and some of those articles about him).

Trust in the fact mate that most Australian cricket fans aren't braggarts, certainly not anymore, and most of us are waiting for the time where we've built back up a steady and reliable stock of 15 or so players in each format who perform regularly.

England's stocks do make me envious, but it is a waste of time worrying about that, all we can do is worry about our own.

@SamuelH - I thank you for your clarifications. Topley also looks very good, particularly given his age.

England - whilst O'Keefe is a raw potential, if you don't mind, in the meantime (until the selectors wake up) can we borrow Simon Kerrigan? Thanks in advance.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 25, 2013, 1:36 GMT)

@hhillbumper on (January 24 2013, 20:21 PM GMT), at least Dernbach is only in the T20 squad, where his numbers are not quite as poor as in ODIs.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 24, 2013, 22:59 GMT)

@SamuelH Understand, but so was Michael Hussey & he didn't turn out too shabby when placed down the order did he? I was only going on how he blossomed later in his innings, seemingly without a stutter of shifting gears, something very much in the Hussey mould. Just a thought.

Posted by TripleCenturian on (January 24, 2013, 21:59 GMT)

Root too is being shoe horned into unfamiliar roles. A natural opener asked to bat at six in his first test and bats nowhere from four to seven in the ODI team depending on circumstances. But it's not been a problem to him as it has to Patel and Kieswetter. If you want o break into a strong and stable England team you need to grab whatever opportunity arises and you are asked to do. If not, others are in waiting. Root showed he had the mental application and an understanding of what to do in different situations. Others have looked lost unless they walking with the score at 250-4 with ten overs left and free rein to tee off from the start.

Posted by SDHM on (January 24, 2013, 21:40 GMT)

@ChrisP & JG - Hales is an opener in all forms. End of argument. Part of the problems Kieswetter & Patel are having is that they are being shoe-horned into roles they're uncomfortable with, so if Hales does come in let him do what comes naturally to him & open. Personally I think he's a much better long term bet than Bell, but most people don't seem to agree. Buttler is perfectly suited to the middle order - let's actually give someone a run down there and see if it works.

@Liquifierrrr - Roland-Jones has broken into the Lions and will be down in Australia, meaning he's on the radar. Surprised it's taken him so long to be honest, but he's possibly a victim of conditional bias - he's a seamer in the McGrath/Pollock mould playing at Lord's where that sort of bowler always does well, like people attaching less value for batsmen scoring runs at Taunton. Just a theory, hopefully he takes his chance; a cracking young bowler. Gidman probably needs another solid season to be considered.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 24, 2013, 21:27 GMT)

@Erebus26, A bit unfair to compare Butler with Kieswetter after 1 game. CW is clearly the better keeper at this stage if he wasn't Butler would keep for Somerset. However in ODIs I don't think you necessarily need an outstanding WK batsman, I think a batsman who is a competent keeper is just fine. Eng probably feel that Butler is a better batting option at 6 & that his keeping will improve. I think they would be wrong to go back to Prior. There is no doubt he is the best keeper but as I pointed out on another board yesterday his batting ave & SR are considerably worst in ODIs than CW.

Posted by hhillbumper on (January 24, 2013, 21:26 GMT)

There is a very good young crop of Fast bowlers who are ironically English or Welsh. Topley,Harris,Woakes,Mills. Thats not a bad lot.ironically they tend not to get injured at the drop of a hat either. Let the Aussies do all their bragging off the pitch.We will do our playing on it.

Posted by Liquefierrrr on (January 24, 2013, 21:04 GMT)

@hhillbumper - I have wondered the same thing about Dernbach for a long time. Even when he was first picked his records were dicey.

Woakes looks a fantastic cricketer. I remember when he played us (Aus) in a T20I (his international debut). He took 1/34 (4.0) but scored 19* off 15 balls, including a SIX off Shaun Tait early into his innings that changed the tide of the game. I remember thinking back then 'great, another excellent English player'.

Since then he's only played a handful of games, which is confusing to me. Especially as Dernbach continues to play with his 6.28 economy rate at ODI at an average pushing 40.

I think it's great that he's seeking out more international experience in NZ, and wish him all the best. He seems like a talented, rounded and aggressive cricketer.

Also - English fans, why isn't Toby Roland-Jones getting more of a look in? And Will Gidman? Their stats are also outstanding at FC (in fact in all formats). Please advise, be nice to know. Thanks.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 24, 2013, 21:00 GMT)

@Brusselslion, I Don't think there is any need to rotate any of the batsman. Trott & KP have been been given some time off during the ODIs & I think Bell really does need to play. If he was rested & Bairstow came in and got runs it could pose an awkward selection dilemma ahead of the ashes. Although I think it's right that Engs best bowlers are making the trip I do think there is a case for rotating them during the series. the 3 tests are all played back to back & personally I wouldn't risk Jimmy & Finn in all 3. As per my previous post I would like to see Onions play all 3 and as Woakes is there we should take the chance to see how he goes in at least 1 game. As for Broad I think there was a strong case on recent performances that he stayed at home with Bresnan but now he is going he needs to play at least 1 game. Perhaps use Jimmy & Finn in the 1st 2 games then bring in Broad & Woakes for the last game.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 24, 2013, 20:57 GMT)

@JG2704. From the couple of times I have seen Hales, I have been really impressed & (to me anyway) looks an ideal #5 or 6 in ODI due to his wrecking ball antics in T20, perfectly suited for the closing overs in ODI. Is his conversion or consistency an issue in ODIs? Or he doesn't close ou t or finish in the 50 over format? Not seen anything of Woakes, but NZ conditions are great for swing bowlers, their bowlers, at least, are up to scratch in these conditions.

Posted by Ms.Cricket on (January 24, 2013, 20:34 GMT)

O.K. Craig Kieswetter hasn't exactly delivered, however it would have been dignified to retain him in the touring squad for the solitary ODI remaining in India rather than humiliate him this way.

Posted by Optic on (January 24, 2013, 20:32 GMT)

Anyone that doubts we haven't got a fair number of exciting young bowlers coming through, who could easily slot into the England team particularly at home haven't watched or been taking notice of first class cricket. The ozzies have been giving it the big one about their crop of bowlers, fair play to them but this has only come about due to all their regulars breaking down game after game and then they had to stick guys in out of nowhere, England haven't had to do that. But you think guys like Roland-Jones, Harris, Woakes, Topley, Meaker & Shahzad couldn't do equally as good job for England if they were given a chance, some of these guys have got extremely good stats behind them, like Roland Jones averages 20, Harris 27, Woakes 25, Topley 25, Meaker 27 and the best thing about them all they range between 18 and 24, exciting future imo.

Posted by hhillbumper on (January 24, 2013, 20:21 GMT)

How does Dernbach keep getting picked? He has the worst record of any England bowler and yet that useless non entity keeps getting picked? It is sporting that we keep playing with ten men but really the selection panel need to lose this fixation with crap saffers.good call that kieswetter has gone.He can't bat and he cant keep wicket so almost perfect for an Aussie keeper.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 24, 2013, 20:20 GMT)

Quite a few comments suggesting Woakes will enjoy NZL conditions. For me it shouldn't be about him enjoying NZL conditions it should be about can he play a role in the ashes, which is what really matters in 2013 for Eng. All of a sudden our seam bowling options look at the weakest since Flower took charge. In Ideal world Broad will find his form and a pace attack of him Anderson & Finn should be good enough to take care of the iffy Oz batting line up. However if SB dosen't get his form back and Finn's injury problems return or God forbid anything happen to Jimmy then we may be struggling. Perhaps CW can be effective enough if needed but I would like to see Onions given these 3 tests to try and show that we have at least one back up bowler who can be relied on if needed. If SB issues continue, I hope the selectors don't feel they have to pick Woakes as 3rd seamer just bcoz he bats, thats what the top 7 are paid to do & I have no problem with Swann batting 8.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 24, 2013, 20:15 GMT)

@andazz Read it again, Dernbach is not in the 50 over side, only the T20, thank god.

@Jason_Mcphee Tremlett has only just started bowling again in the nets after his injury, I also think Taylor has been passed by other players in the test format and was never really on the radar for the T20, decent little 50 over player but doesn't really offer much different from what we already have, still young though and another year at Notts he can prove himself again. They obviously think a something about him with making him Lions Captain again.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 24, 2013, 20:02 GMT)

Yipee Dobell has finally through name dropping & keeping his name in the spot light, managed to get Ricki Clarke back into the selectors sights, off course Ricki himself has deserved this call up to the Lions, he's really turned himself into the cricketer he promised to for so long.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (January 24, 2013, 20:01 GMT)

@JG, I think all regular posters are aware of your preference for 5/1/5. However I will still be surprised if Eng are ready to change from the tried & tested 6/1/4 even with the inclusion of Woakes. For the first time in 3 yrs we look like we may finally have found the answer to the no6 problem with Root and my thoughts are that Woakes is probably being viewed as more of a like for like replacement for Bresnan as 3rd seamer & no8 bat. I think we would have had the same concerns of CW in this role as we had of TB ahead of the 3rd ashes test in 2010. TB came through and was a formidable weapon in Eng's armoury for the next 12 mths. However perhaps the selectors are now prepared to be a bit more flexible. The truth is with TB & Broad are both struggling & with Tremlett's future uncertain due to injures we don't have too many other options. Perhaps they now feel the bowling needs beefing up with a 4th seam option, only time will tell I guess.

Posted by oze13 on (January 24, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

Patel and Morgan are very lucky boys. Last chance saloon for these two!

Posted by TripleCenturian on (January 24, 2013, 19:54 GMT)

Where is Tremlett? Where is Shahzad?

Blindly, you need to look at their county performances in 2012 and the answer will be blindingly obvious.

I await calls for the return of Saj Mahmood and Steve Harmison next!

Posted by Trickstar on (January 24, 2013, 19:51 GMT)

@jb633 How much red ball cricket have you watched Woakes play, the lad has by far the best first class stats out of any of the England players including Finn and Anderson, so to dismiss him as being 'way off international class' is unfair and a bit uneducated especially if you're basing it off watching him play one day cricket where it really isn't his game. He's played first Division cricket all his career and he consistently gets good top 6 batsmen out and to have 254 wickets @ 25 when he's only 23, screams international class to me.If you ever watched Philander play one day cricket you'd think he was below international class, shows how looks can be deceptive. Add that bowling average to a batting average of 38 and you've got a seriously good allrounder, I mean there's guys been picked for international top 6's with a poorer batting average than that.

Posted by wgtnpom on (January 24, 2013, 19:28 GMT)

Test squad is as predicted yesterday by Andrew McGlashan except Woakes for Bresnan, which is good - I didn't want Bresnan and I wasn't sure about Broad but he's a match winner potentially so good luck to him. NZ should have Taylor, Ryder, Southee and Vettori returning so will be stronger than they were in SA and at home should be quite competitive altho Eng are still much stronger on paper. Again, good - Eng need a tough workout in the two NZ series ahead of two tough Ashes series. NZ will be much tougher in ODIs and T20 as they are proving in SA at the moment. As usual, some undeserving omissions (Kieswetter, Meaker, Taylor, arguably Morgan) but that always happens - you can't fit everyone in on any tour. But it's great that Eng can afford to leave players of that calibre out - shows strength in depth. And with some of those guys in the Lions team they'll at least be match fit if there's an emergency in the senior teams.

Posted by nev57 on (January 24, 2013, 19:13 GMT)

Have to say I like the look of the test squad, though perhaps, Meaker for Broad would have been a good shout. But I guess that was never going to happen with Broad being vice-captain. I would have liked to have seen places in the ODI squad for Hales and, again, Meaker. Think Cook needs a proper opening partner in these games, and that could well be Hales. Drop Patel, can't understand why they keep picking him. As for the Lions, they have a squad of 17 but only one, very inexperienced, keeper. Seems strange, this means he will have to play in every game. There are other promising young keepers around, Davies, Bates, Billings to name but three, so why not include one of them and let them get some experience as well.

Posted by TripleCenturian on (January 24, 2013, 19:11 GMT)

Pietersen has been rested from the one dayers, yet I get he plays some IPL stuff. Woakes at 6/7 in the test team would worry me initially. He has not been tested at the top level yet and some runs for Warwickshire against some average county attacks is not evidence of a technique for facing a young Aussie pace attack in an Ashes test. However he deserves a chance at some stage to at least prove me wrong!

We do seem to have gone for stronger one day teams against NZ than v India. Presume with one eye on conditions for 2015 World Cup?

Just how long do some people want to rest Broad? Permanently? He missed the last tests in India and hardly bowled in the others. He seemed to protect an injury or not be prepared to try and learn how to bowl in non-seamer friendly conditions unlike Anderson who taught him s big lesson.

Posted by axe_hay on (January 24, 2013, 19:09 GMT)

Jimmy Hildreth is ignored again. He has been one of the consistent scorers for many seasons however has not been on the selectors radar at all . And where is Ajmal Shahzad ? His international career is over it seems !

Posted by Jason_Mcphee on (January 24, 2013, 18:37 GMT)

Where is Chris Tremlett, and James Taylor should be in the T20 and ODI squad if not in tests as we are doing v good in the later format.

Posted by JG2704 on (January 24, 2013, 18:30 GMT)

Think we're all agreed on Woakes whoes batting form alone has probably been good enough to earn him a number 6 or 7 slot. I like the test squad by and large but like others I'd have rested Broad from all 3 squads and made him show some form back at Notts. Also , everyone knows I'm forever convinced that 5/1/5 is our best formation and it is definitely doable with Woakes in there. Re the ODI squad , could Eng not have rested someone like Bell and another and given the likes of Hales or/and Wright a go. I think - not for the first time - our selectors are missing the opportunity of looking at these players

Posted by billNCat on (January 24, 2013, 18:24 GMT)

KP should be leading the T20 & ODI squads - and he hasn't even been picked? ECB, when are we going to actually start winning and give up on the post-match whining?

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 24, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

@vrn59, Putting Broad in your team is ridiculous, have you only seen him in the Ashes? If you have, you will have seen him rip Australia to pieces time and again, but his comeback from injury has seen him spend a long time out of the game, and for him to underperform when on the pitch. As I've said before, England first class system, which even the Aussies admit is the best in the world, is the place where he needs to rediscover his lengths as well as improve his batting. @ gkautish, KP is being rested for the ODI's Vs NZ, and why not, he's earned it.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 24, 2013, 17:25 GMT)

@satish619chandar, well said. I agree. Broad cannot just waltz back into the team. I hope not but you never know. He is the vice-captain, isn't he?

Posted by Erebus26 on (January 24, 2013, 17:06 GMT)

I would've left Broad out as well personally. A big character and genuinely good bowler when on form but he's not been on his game since last winter. Nice that England haven't been conservative and have gone for Woakes although I would've liked to have seen Meaker in the test squad too. Other than that I can't complain about the selections. Patel and Morgan have never looked comfortable at test level so I think think their omissions were deserved. Feel sorry for Kieswetter in a way. I know the consistency hasn't always been there but an average of 30 in ODIs isn't exactly terrible. It's not like Jos Buttler came in and did any better. I know England want a good wicketkeeper/batsman but unless they bring back Matty Prior I don't see how they're going to bring in anyone superior to Kieswetter.

Posted by Shan156 on (January 24, 2013, 17:01 GMT)

@Eat_sleep_play_cricket, you claim that England ODI team is pathetic. You may be right but do you only go by what happens in India? Did you know that Eng. were the #1 ranked team in ICC ODI rankings before the India series? So, obviously, they must have won a few games before losing heavily in India, correct? Anyway, how is Eng.'s poor ODI performances in India related to how we will fare in the Ashes?

Posted by SDHM on (January 24, 2013, 16:54 GMT)

@brusselslion - to be fair, Meaker was only in the ODI squad as cover for injuries anyway. With Anderson & Broad coming back in he misses out. Would love to have seen him in the Test squad though - he's another who, like Woakes, is stronger at the longer form of the game. Feel for Kieswetter - his limited overs batting seems to have gone backwards as his keeping and championship batting have improved. Don't think England helped him by shunting him down to the middle order, but in that position Buttler should get in ahead of him every time. The Lions squad is the really interesting one - a lot of exciting names in there.

Posted by ThatsJustCricket on (January 24, 2013, 16:43 GMT)

jrw39 on (January 24 2013, 14:42 PM GMT) : while that is true, it seems a one off. Patel hasn't done anything of note with either bat or ball throughout the tests and ODIs. Besides, England hardly needs the extra spin option in NZ to justify carrying Patel around.

Posted by Trickstar on (January 24, 2013, 16:41 GMT)

@ Eat_sleep_play_cricket 1/10 for trolling mate, cringeworthy effort but I'm still going to bite ,yes the side's been poor in India but as you may well know they went last year only losing 2 one day games and winning 12 beating Oz 4-0, Pakistan 4-0, WI 2-0, so how is the team pathetic. Are Indian pathetic when they lost in England 4-0 or Oz for losing 4-0 or even SA for losing to lowly NZ of all teams. What you say is a big joke and are obviously posting for a reaction. If you didn't notice England's one day bowling first choice is Finn, Jimmy, Broad & Swann and how exactly has there been much talk of Dernbach, that's obviously a lie, every England fan doesn't want him in the side. It's clear you haven't a clue what you're talking about and can't have watched England play one day cricket the past couple of years, what matters is the Champions trophy in England in a few months not a pointless one day series in India where England have got nearly half the side not there.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (January 24, 2013, 16:35 GMT)

Woakes in makes sense, as Bresnan, despite being the Aussie's worst nightmare (and that isn't hard these days), has lost nip since the last Ashes due to his shoulder surgery. England has been making headlines the world over for a while now for being bursting with fresh talent, Woakes just one example, and it's unfortunate the charismatic Bresnan is surplus to requirements. @RandyOz, Now you've popped up again after laying low due to your embarrassing saga with Wade (we're all still waiting for your FIRST reaction to that humiliation), would you care to explain your 5 week absence from the Australian boards? Are you now an English fan? Why no comments in the Australian section? lol

Posted by vrn59 on (January 24, 2013, 16:17 GMT)

IDEAL TEAMS-

England Test XI: Cook (C), Compton, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Root, Prior (wk), Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn.

England ODI XI: Cook (C), Bell, Trott, Pietersen, Morgan, Prior (wk), Wright/Root, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn.

England T20 XI: Hales, Pietersen, Wright, Morgan, Root, Prior (wk), Patel, Broad, Swann, Finn, Meaker.

Posted by bumsonseats on (January 24, 2013, 15:55 GMT)

eat sleep play cricket.well they were good enough to beat india and aus at home 7 - 0. and until a week ago were top in 50 over odis cricket so when we do as you say get better yipeeeeee.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 24, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

Good to see players like Roland-Jones, Clarke, Stokes and Kerrigan in the Lions squad. The big joker is Reece Topley - when I tipped him for recognition yesterday I scarcely imagined that it would be this big and this fast. Good to see Stuart Meaker with the Lions, where he will get regular games,rather than sitting out the New Zealand tour in the nets. I very much like the look of the Lions squad. The Test squad is pragmatic: Onions and Woakes will be looking forward to New Zealand pitches and Root and Compton have a chance to press further claims. Monty is there as - most likely - super-sub, but is given a chance to further his claims. And Jonny Bairstow will fight probably Root for the slot at 6... healthy competition among youngsters.

Posted by ThatsJustCricket on (January 24, 2013, 15:32 GMT)

Nice to see Woakes getting a chance, a decent bat and a good enough bowler. If he clicks he will lend a lot of balance to the team

Posted by gkautish on (January 24, 2013, 15:29 GMT)

why is there no kevin pieterson in odis n t20?

Posted by Eat_Sleep_Play_Cricket on (January 24, 2013, 15:24 GMT)

England ODI team is pathetic and its scary to see them go down without a fight in India. Bowling is a big joke, except for Finn and to some extent Treadwell rest were worse than Club bowlers. Batters still approach ODI as a test match and except KP (even he is changing slowly as a test player) no one can actually bat. So much talk about Morgan and dernbach, and they keep disappointing. . England will really struggle in ashes and OZ will just have the final laugh. Entire English team selection is a big Joke and need some fresh blood.

Posted by jb633 on (January 24, 2013, 15:14 GMT)

@satish619chandar- yeah you are bang on with that selection. I have long felt that the bits and pieces cricketers are a pointless edition to most sides. IMO they very rarely win a game with either asset but do just enough to stay in the side. Onions has been unlucky to be constanty overlooked and I hope that Broad and Bresnan play full county seasons before they are looked at again. Strangely it is actually our much heralded seam attack that has worried me over the last 18 months, and there are still questions. Unquestionably Anderson is our first choice seamer and Finn a close second. There is no top draw third seamer IMO. In the last Ashes we had Tremlett, Bresnan, Shazad and Broad as in form options for the third seamer. For me, Woakes looks way off international class, Broad is spent and Bresnan needs to get fit again. I really hope Onions gets an extended run in the side this time.

Posted by sastrich on (January 24, 2013, 14:48 GMT)

Crazy I say! Why Samit Patel? Such a waste of slot.

Posted by Tigg on (January 24, 2013, 14:48 GMT)

@venkatesh018 Dernbach is only in the T20 squad.

Brilliant selection, Woakes is lethal in home conditions and could be a huge force in the ashes. A couple of tests vs the Kiwis to get him into the swing of test cricket and then throw him into the ashes. I side I'd pick for the tests would be:

Cook*, Compton, Trott, KP, Bell, Root, Prior, Woakes/Finn, Swann, Anderson, Onions.

I'd be tempted to leave Finn out until he stops hitting the stumps.

Posted by jrw39 on (January 24, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

@ rohanbala - I disagree. Without Samit Patel's batting performance in the first ODI (44 from 20 balls), England wouldn't have won, and would now be 4 - 0 down in the series.

Posted by brusselslion on (January 24, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

Woakes inclusion is welcome but I think that the selectors may have missed a trick here. The senior established players will have a 'full on' 2013, so other than protecting a ranking - OK it's important but... - what's to be gained by selecting the likes of Anderson, Swann, Trott, KP, Bell? There's the reverse fixtures in England for them to fully tuned up for the Ashes series. Surely, a couple of them could have been rested (rotated) and a chance given to sone of the youngsters? Would also be good to settle on reserve WK in case anything happens to Prior (heaven forbid). Would also have like to have seen room found for Hales and Meaker in the ODI squad (not sure what the latter has done wrong in India given that he's hardly played?).

Posted by yorkshirematt on (January 24, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

@mikeyp147 Hopefully he can get some form and fitness back by playing a full season with us. But if he can't I hope he isn't used at the expense of bowlers such as Ashraf. With Brooks and plunkett coming in with siddy as the senior bowler the competition in the seam bowling department looks strong on paper, although I'm not convinced by the plunkett move. But it's the batting that looks a bit thin if we lose Root and Bairstow.

Posted by venkatesh018 on (January 24, 2013, 13:43 GMT)

Still can't believe how Mr.Dernbach fits into the ODI squad. Can't bat and certainly CAN'T BOWL.

Posted by henauvin01 on (January 24, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

Good luck to Chris Woakes and good news that further young talent is to be given an oportunity on the big stage. This is how it should be, and best wishes to TB for return of form and the change to be in contention again.

Posted by venkatesh018 on (January 24, 2013, 13:34 GMT)

Stuart Meaker should have been in both the ODIs. Otherwise, a very strong Test squad. Hope they pick Onions in the playing XI for Tests instead of Broad. He deserves an opportunity. NZ will be routed.

Posted by andazz on (January 24, 2013, 13:27 GMT)

how is jade dernbach still in the odi and t20 team hes not international class and very rarely keeps it tight and james taylor should also be giving a run in the test team good to see joe root giving his chance in the test team

Posted by RandyOZ on (January 24, 2013, 13:23 GMT)

Well the so-called 'new wave' of South Africans were failing miserably so I suppose they had to try someone, even if Woakes does have a very mediocre record in the comparatively weak county system.

Posted by Fareen on (January 24, 2013, 13:17 GMT)

Good to see dernbach getting dropped. he seldom used to perform. i thought onions deserves a place in the side and as he won't be playing in the test side with anderson broad and finn in the mix, he could have been in the odi squad. Looking forward to see how james harris performs.

Posted by jplterrors on (January 24, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

Woakes will be cannon fodder 4 the likes of BMac, Taylor, and Frankie. Duno why they are putting so much prep into 2015 WC they will be thrashed by a rampant NZ side

Posted by rohanbala on (January 24, 2013, 13:09 GMT)

Samit Patel and Eoin Morgan have not contributed anything worth mention during the current indian tour to warrant selection in the limited overs squad. The selectors ought to have tried two new players instead of these two players. Jade Dernbach's selection remains questionable and he is sure to be the one most likely to be targeted by the opposition teams.

Posted by gemmy123 on (January 24, 2013, 13:00 GMT)

Hoggard is a good template for what Woakes can achieve in NZ. The former had considerable success there and their pace is pretty much equivalent. Good luck to the lad.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (January 24, 2013, 12:53 GMT)

Definitely a positive step. For his and for England's sake, I hope that Bresnan can find a way to recapture his previous form but Woakes is currently a better bowler and better batsman than Bresnan. Root deserves the selection based on his performances so far but I'm hoping to see a Lions game in Sydney and it would have been nice to see him play there. I feel that losing Kieswetter is the right move at the moment. I wish him well and he may be back if he can modify his batting approach but I really hope not because I really hope that Bairstow and Buttler both kick on from the glimpses they've shown so far. I didn't see anything wrong with what Buttler did in the last ODI and his near stumping of Raina was a sharp piece of work.. At least Somerset get one of their keepers back.

Posted by mikeyp147 on (January 24, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

Sad to admit it as a proud Yorkshireman, but Bresnan has looked a shadow of his former self since his operation. Not only does his bowlng look innocuous, but his batting seems to have deserted him completely. Hope he manages to get his mojo back during the English summer.

Fair play to the selectors for picking Woakes - if you can't blood a young English all-rounder in seam-friendly conditions against one of the weaker teams in world cricket, then when can you?

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (January 24, 2013, 12:41 GMT)

Chris Woakes is an excellent selection for this tour. He'll enjoy the conditions. The pressure won't be as great as in India or against Australia. And he will have a real chance to press a claim.Tim Bresnan is obviously not right. He hit 90 mph in the 4th ODI, but he has lost the control and reverse swing that made him so dangerous. I would not be surprised if we hear that he is to have another operation because you feel that something is still bothering him. Were Chris Woakes to show that he can hack it at this level - and that remains to be seen - there is the possibility of playing 5 bowlers and Matt Prior at 6 to increase the options on good pitches, or when two spinners are needed.

Posted by swarzi on (January 24, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

Is it possible that it is the effect of his omission from the team that caused him to bowl so many loose scoring deliveries on Raina's legs that cost them the current India vs England ODI series. I guess sometimes the selectors make their selection announcements too early to the detriment of the team.

Posted by satish619chandar on (January 24, 2013, 12:29 GMT)

England should look in the options to play bowler than bowling all rounders like Bresnan, Broad etc. As it was proved in the SA and India series, a fresh bowler in Finn can add more value to the side than bowling all rounder in Broad. On form and consistency, Anderson, Finn and Onions are the best three pace bowlers for England. I would be a tad disappointed not to see these three bowling in the first test match.

Posted by whoster on (January 24, 2013, 12:27 GMT)

There's no question that Woakes deserves this call-up. I feel sorry for Bresnan, but he's not the bowler he was since surgery. I'm not bothered about Woakes' lack of pace as long as he makes the ball move - and New Zealand could be the ideal place for him to get his chance. His first class average is impressive with bat and (far more importantly) ball. Let's hope he can make the most of this opportunity if he gets a Test debut.

Posted by hadld88 on (January 24, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

Great to see Woakes selected, he is the only English bowler who has the potential to bat at 7, not that we should need 4 seamers in NZ conditions with Anderson, Finn and 1 other but a very positive selection all the same. I dont buy into the whole pace issue providing he can get the ball to move around

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