New Zealand v England, 2nd ODI, Napier

Anderson and Root deliver big win

The Report by Alan Gardner

February 20, 2013

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England 270 for 2 (Root 79*, Cook 78, Trott 65*) beat New Zealand 269 (Taylor 100, McCullum 74, Anderson 5-34) by eight wickets
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Joe Root celebrates hitting the winning runs, New Zealand v England, 2nd ODI, Napier, February 20, 2013
Joe Root's unbeaten 79 saw England to their target in style © Associated Press
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England marched to a business-like eight-wicket win in Napier, completing their second-highest successful run chase against New Zealand in the process, to square the series at 1-1 after an unruly burst from Ross Taylor and Brendon McCullum had threatened Alastair Cook's masterplan. Cook and Jonathan Trott made solid half-centuries, while Joe Root twinkled with impudent brilliance in top-scoring with an unbeaten 79 but it was James Anderson's 5 for 34 that set up victory on an excellent batting surface.

Having asked his bowlers to keep New Zealand to a manageable total, Cook was rewarded with early wickets and a modest run rate, only for Taylor's seventh ODI hundred to provide a rallying standard and McCullum to launch a familiar riposte. The fifth-wicket partnership was outside England's parameters of acceptability but after McCullum holed out off Stuart Broad for 74 the last six wickets fell for 26 runs, as they regained control of the scenario.

The combined aggression of McCullum and Taylor with the bat, putting on 100 in 52 balls, had brought New Zealand back into the match but they both put down straightforward chances off Root. The first, a skier to McCullum, came when Root, on 25, top-edged an attempted pull at Tim Southee towards short fine leg and although the wicketkeeper made his ground, he misjudged the trajectory and failed to get his gloves under the ball. The next delivery, Root ramped the ball for a flat four through the same part of the ground and the fuse had been lit: 12 balls later, he had reached his fifty, accelerating past senior team-mate Trott with a cheeky "Meep! Meep!", like a Yorkshire roadrunner.

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  • James Anderson's 5 for 34 is only the second five-for by an England bowler against New Zealand and the 24th overall by an England bowler. The previous England bowler to pick up a five-for against New Zealand was Vic Marks in 1984.
  • Anderson's five-wicket haul is his second in ODIs. His best performance, however, remains the 5 for 23 against South Africa in Port Elizabeth in 2009.
  • The target of 270 is the second-highest successfully-chased one by England against New Zealand. The highest is 285 at Old Trafford in 1986. The win is also only England's second by a margin of eight or more wickets (previous win in 1983) against New Zealand.
  • Ross Taylor's century is his seventh in ODIs and first against England. Among New Zealand batsmen, only Nathan Astle (16) and Stephen Fleming (8) have more centuries than Taylor.
  • Taylor's century is also the tenth by a New Zealand batsman against England and the first since Jamie How's 139 in 2008. Mark Greatbatch and Astle have two centuries each against England.
  • Brendon McCullum's strike rate of 205.55 is the highest for a fifty-plus score for New Zealand in ODIs against England. McCullum holds the top three spots on the list of best strike rates.

His innings blended grace and power, with hefty cuts and pulls offset by lissome flicks and cultured drives. Such was the quality, it's doubtful the man whose place in the side he currently occupies, Kevin Pietersen, could have finished more stylishly, as Root and Trott combined for a decisive 121-run stand to continue the trend of reverses that has seen the teams swap victories over five limited-overs contests on the tour so far. His third half-century also made Root the first player to start their ODI career with six successive scores of 30 or more.

Not only did he upstage the contributions of his own team-mates, in what was an improved all-round display, Root also overshadowed Taylor's first significant score since coming back into the New Zealand team. After a slow start, in which New Zealand were 21 for 2 after the opening Powerplay and only reached their 100 in the 30th over, McCullum whirled about the crease with all the violence of a Quentin Tarantino shootout scene while Taylor, more the Gary Cooper type, calmly knocked it around at the other end.

Discussions about Taylor's form had begun to overshadow the positive of his return, so this was an important innings for the New Zealand No. 4, even if it came in defeat. In his four previous innings, he had made 45 runs but here he progressed to his first international half-century since scoring 142 and 74 in his last match as captain, the Colombo Test in November. His ousting may still smart on a personal level but the detente can only be good for McCullum, Taylor's replacement, who will head to Auckland seeking a victory that would give him back-to-back ODI series wins at the start of his tenure.

After a level-headed, recovery stand of 72 with Kane Williamson, Taylor began to add some impetus, slugging Broad over deep midwicket for the first six and then sweeping Graeme Swann hard in front of square. He was joined in the middle by McCullum five balls into the batting Powerplay, after Grant Elliott had top-edged Steven Finn to deep square leg, and the pair were soon exchanging fist bumps in the middle. Should they reach the level of the brotherly bum-tap anytime soon, then all will be considered well within New Zealand cricket.

McCullum's fifty came from 26 balls - and that included just a single from his first seven - as Swann, Chris Woakes and then Broad were each targeted in succession. Swann's final over disappeared for 17 and included a six so dismissive that McCullum managed to crash the ball over extra-cover even as he slipped and lost his footing; Woakes and Broad then went for 21 and 20 respectively. England had been criticised for bowling too short at McCullum in the series so far but he tore up their plans to go full, as Broad was twice thumped down the ground in searching for the yorker.

Such was the volte face in scoring rates, that while the two opening bowlers, Finn and Anderson, went at less than three-and-a-half an over, the other three all conceded above six. The last time these two teams met at Napier, they split 680 runs precisely down the middle, with Luke Wright keeping New Zealand to six off the final over to force a tie. Paul Collingwood, Dimitri Mascarenhas, Owais Shah and Wright all bowled that day, exactly five years ago, but Anderson was the most expensive, with 1 for 86.

How things have changed. Anderson, fresh from passing Ian Botham as England's leading wicket-taker in international cricket, had talked of bowling until he was 40 before the match. You suspect even as an Oldsmobile he would cruise in smoothly and more experienced drivers than BJ Watling have nicked to first slip pushing at Anderson's length ball, which just veered away enough to take the edge in the seventh over. Hamish Rutherford, on debut, also fell early to Anderson, as the new-ball pair denied the batsmen width.

Finn was trotting in off a shorter run-up in an attempt to cure his knock-knee problem but showed no lack of pace and perhaps a touch more control - though he still managed to clip the stumps at the non-striker's end later in the innings. McCullum cracked the delivery for four and Cook received short shrift when asking Rod Tucker if it should not have been called dead-ball.

When the first bowling change came, Anderson had figures of 6-2-11-2. Finn had also conceded 11 from his six-over spell and New Zealand had to attempt to force the pace against Woakes, Broad and Swann. Thanks to McCullum and Taylor, they attained respectability but were bowled out with seven balls unused and, ultimately, England's Root made it a rout.

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Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 22, 2013, 21:40 GMT)

@JG2704: Seriously? Root for Nick Compton? Noooo - definately with you on this one. Give Root a run in tests, yes - but why for my namesake? Yeah selectors need a hiding if that goes through... Are they tired of their revolving door policy for the number 6 position already?

Posted by JG2704 on (February 22, 2013, 21:13 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 22, 2013, 20:34 GMT) Wright has a poor average (early 20s) in ODIs for England but actually has a better SR (89.29 compared to 86.75 and 84.82) than KP and Morgan in this format and this was when he was playing alot out of his favoured position and he is now IMO a much improved player. I think re the Broad thing - you should be aiming it more at the selectors for playing him when he's obviously not 100%. He looked decent in most of the T20S but he seems to be holding back in the ODIs. If he is not bowling at 100% he shouldn't be playing but Eng are by their nature too loyal to under performaing players. There are rumours that Root will replace Nick in the test series and while I'm all for Root coming into the test side , Nick would not be the player to make way.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 22, 2013, 20:34 GMT)

@JG2704: well argued mate - cheers for the feedback. 2 spinners eh? One can only ever wish... They were so reluctant to try this even in India! Wright does well in T20's, but not so much ODI's; I'm definately not saying he shouldn't ever be considered again, but I think it will be a hard fight before he's picked again. I am very harsh on Broad, but this boils down mostly to the fact that I don't believe England have such an empty cupboard as to justify bringing over a less-than-fit, out-of-form Broad to NZ!

Posted by zummerrset on (February 22, 2013, 12:07 GMT)

@jmcilhinney on (February 22, 2013, 11:15 GMT) - A bit of a cop out there! It is easy to dissect the pros & cons of each player individually but the skill is to come up with the best balanced team. I am only asking that you stick your neck out for your current best ODI XI with a returning KP - don't worry the England players and management are not hanging on every word!

Posted by JG2704 on (February 22, 2013, 11:53 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL ctd - balance of my ODI side would be 5 batsmen Cook (capt) + Root (for his versatility- floating batsman+bowling a few overs) nailed on.Buttler WK.Leaves 3 batting spots.So I'd go with either Bell or Trott and 2 from KP,Morgan,Wright,Hales,Bairstow.Jonny is an exceptional fielder too so there are arguments on that front.Anyway this would be near to my side at the moment

Cook,(KP+Bell or Trott),Wright,Morgan,Buttler,Root (as a floater), Swann,Tredwell,Jimmy, Finn.

2 pacers ,2 spinners and 1 spin option and one medium pace option , although I'm still not 100% that that's enough bowling.If Broad'S fully fit (big IF) I'd have him there instead of maybe Wright or Morgan but I'd like to see how Hales and Wright do in ODIs for Eng 1st.Maybe in a 4 match series we could try 2 games with Bell at 2,Wright at 3 and 2 with Hales at 2,Trott at 3 and see how it pans out.Wright slightly edges it for his bowling but I'd like to see the 2 guys with highest ind T20 scores given a try

Posted by JG2704 on (February 22, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

@ R_U_4_REAL_NICK - re batting , I'd say there is no definite right or wrong way. I personally would not have Cook,Bell and Trott in the same OD side. There are also 2 arguments. The pro 3 accumulators will say they do the groundwork for the strikers to finish off the inns (when it works) and when it doesn't work , it's because the finishers have not done their jobs. Against that would be the argument that it's the strikers who bolster the RR and when we fail in setting/chasing targets it's because the accumulators have been left too much to do by the slow starters. Your view in splitting up the accumulators was a fair compromise but I'd still prefer only 2 of the 3 in the side. I like Root alot in 50 overs as I think he can do both the accumulator role and the role of the guy who ups the tempo

Posted by JG2704 on (February 22, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

@ R_U_4_REAL_NICK - Morning, 5 bowler for an England test side - how ludicrous (joke) . Seriously , I know in some ways 5 reliable bowlers is as if not more important in ODIs because in tests , if 2 or 3 bowlers are ripping through a batting line up they can keep going until the captain feels they are tiring or becoming less effective. In ODIs bowlers can only bowl a certain number of overs. If there was no restrictions we could do your team no problem but I would not rely on Root to bowl 10 overs every game. Re Broad , I think you are a little harsh on him. When he is fit , he'd be right up there. The problem is that in the last year he has not been fully fit and when he's showing signs of losing that zip etc Eng should be replacing him. A peak/ fully fit Broad would be in my Eng side every time

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 22, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

@zummerrset on (February 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT), we can be fairly sure that Cook's not getting left out and you'd expect KP to come back in. You could make a case for leaving out any of the other four and not be wrong. Whichever one it is may turn out to be a mistake. Fortunately for me, I don't have to make that decision and my opinion on the matter carries no weight.

Posted by zummerrset on (February 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT)

@ jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 23:55 GMT), So you suggest 5 bowlers(which would be great) some of whom can bat a bit which leaves 5 batting places and a wicketkeeper. So back to my original point - of Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan & Root who would you leave out?

Posted by Meety on (February 22, 2013, 4:41 GMT)

@JG2704 on (February 21, 2013, 8:26 GMT) - re: ODI bowling. I think I have said before, I think succession plans for Anderson & Swann need to be in place for the ODI side. I am concerned about Swann's elbow (didn't trouble him in India, but when you winning everything feels good), & with Anderson, he is now at the age where pace bowlers do pick up injuries even though Anderson always seem to be within himself. I suppose though the 2015 W/Cup would be the goal for those two. @ jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 4:48 GMT) - I think particularly his ODI achievements are far above his abilities at this point, but I think Test-wise, he will be a bit like M Clarke (not style-wise) where he debuted with a FC ave around 38/39 - the same as Root. He SHOULD develop along over time (with a few slumps along the way), to be a class batsmen. @landl47 on (February 21, 2013, 5:26 GMT) - there has been a revolving door in the #6 spot for Eng for a while, I s'pose if your good enuff your old enuff!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 23:55 GMT)

@zummerrset on (February 21, 2013, 13:18 GMT), I'm saying that the part-time bowlers that England have available are not good enough to be relied upon to provide 10 overs. Bopara is probably a better bowler than any of the others and he's not a genuine fifth bowler either. Bresnan was clearly not up to it and isn't available right now anyway. If his second surgery allows him to get back to where he was with his bowling then absolutely he should be considered again. Broad was also clearly hampered by injury and has shown some signs of a return to form although it's only signs so far. If he can't recapture his old form then he too should go but he should be replaced by a proper bowler.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 21, 2013, 20:08 GMT)

Hi JG2704; agree that tests should be Woakes' forte. 20 wickets wins a test match, and that's why of late I've been in agreement with you (I think...) with regards to trying out five bowlers in some tests. But for ODI's it's all about the runs and economy rates. Some people are so quick to judge consistent guys like Trott for slow scoring rates, and yet hold players like KP and Broad in high esteem despite the fact they only deliver once in a blue moon of late. Even though England lack genuine all-rounders, I really do believe Root, Trott, KP and Bell can deliver 10 overs between them for less runs than Broad or Dernbach usually do/did of late and that is my point.

T20's are Russian Roulette at best; Broads performances in sissy formats like that have no bearing whatsoever in the other formats, especially tests.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 21, 2013, 18:09 GMT)

@ R_U_4_REAL_NICK ( 9:18 GMT) Mate , these are the shorter formats we are talking about here. Re those bowlers you mentioned (in shorter formats) I'd say that the first 3 are the most dependable of our bowlers and 2 of them get rested all the time. I like Tredwell too but Eng are reluctant to go for 2 specialised spinners in non SC conditions. Of the others all are either untested , unproven or no more consistent than Broad. Can't remember the last time I saw Bell bowl , Trott only seemed to be trusted to bowl a few overs in tests and KP isn't often trusted with the ball and how often does he play shorter formats for England these days anyway? Broad - if memory serves me well - was decent in most of the T20s. I think he has an injury niggle and if he can only bowl at a certain pace (as I posted before) it compromises his variety making him more predictable/less effective. I just think we need more than just Root as a part timer. PS re Woakes , I'd say he's more of a test bowler

Posted by zummerrset on (February 21, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

@jmcilhinney - are you therefore saying that we should stick with either Broad or Bres and, if so, who do we leave out? Morgan?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 12:41 GMT)

@voice_of_reason on (February 21, 2013, 12:25 GMT), I'd be prepared to give guys like that an over or two when things are quite during the middle overs to give you some options later on and, if they do well, keep them on for a few more but I agree that they should be options for a sixth bowler, not the fifth. If Broad or Dernbach are determined to not be able to do the job then get someone else in who can but requiring 10 overs from part-timers is not a sound plan. When you have about 15 part-time blowers in the team like India do then it's a different proposition but England's part-timers are generally more part-time than India's anyway. Root's bowling has been handy so far but with Tredwell and Swann both having been relatively expensive this tour, how well do we really think Root would do if NZ got a really good look at him?

Posted by voice_of_reason on (February 21, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

I can't see any benefit at all in only selecting four bowlers and relying on Root, KP and Trott to give you 10 overs somewhere in the middle. They just don't bowl regularly enough. I still have nightmares of Boycott, Gooch and Larkins trying to fill 12 overs against Richards and King back in 1979 with disastrous consequences. (Mind you, had we opened with Gooch and Larkins instead of Boycott and Brearley, who knows but that's another story.) My point is, none of these part timers are in the class of someone like Yuvraj.

Posted by voice_of_reason on (February 21, 2013, 12:09 GMT)

Does the success of Root, coupled with the move to Buttler as keeper and Bairstow knocking on the door, solve the KP problem? Cast your minds back to last summer and he was demanding to play only Tests and T20s. Now we have enough cover (and a seemingly settled top three) to allow him to be "rested" from all future ODIs.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 21, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

@zummerrset (post on February 21, 2013, 11:22 GMT): Yup, that pretty much sums up nicely what I've said. Flexibility in the batting order will be important depending on match circumstances and/or even things like the weather and pitch conditions. I would have no quibbles shifting a grafter like Trott down to 4 or 5 in place of an attacking player like Morgan/KP should the game necessitate some quick runs and either Cook or Bell is still in to help anchor the innings. I would much rather share 10 overs between some bits-and-pieces bowlers like Root, KP, Trott etc. than hang on to full-time bowlers like Broad and Dernbach that too frequently go for around 10 an over.

Posted by Captainman on (February 21, 2013, 11:27 GMT)

Joe Root is a good prospect. You know a talent when you see one.

Posted by zummerrset on (February 21, 2013, 11:22 GMT)

So since raising the question (24 hours ago) of who gives way for the return of KP my interpretation of the posts below would have the team as being: Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan, Root, Buttler, Woakes, Swann, Finn and Anderson. This means no space for Bairstow, Broad or Bresnan (assumed fit). Should this be the correct consensus of opinion it raises the question of the correct batting order (which may of course change on match circumstance). Would Root or indeed Buttler go in before Morgan? Who would open with Cook? And finally does the extra batsman make up for the loss of a specialist bowler (Broad).

Posted by   on (February 21, 2013, 11:16 GMT)

I have been following discussions about having Cook, Bell and Trott at the top. Strike rate etc. Time and again I am missing the point why this is actually is a problem. It is a mentality question. Cook and Trott are both playing the way that they play best, secure run machines, delivering every single game but without the attrition of some of the others. Always have thought that Bell is playing well within himself from a strokeplaying point of view. England must be aware that as long as Trott is following in behind him, Bell could open up relatively soon, playing his strokes, with Cook anchoring the other side. When out, Trott will anchor (he is the best anchorman around) and Cook can open up (which he most definitely can). After that the demolition party will come in. Doesnt really matter if its KP, Root, Buttler, Morgan . Any of them will get out cheap the one game, and amass big runs the next. Just as long as 2 of them will score quickly and heavily.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 21, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

@jmcilhinney (post on February 21, 2013, 10:03 GMT): yeah true, but people list the batsmen like this all the time - and in reality guys like KP and Morgan only fire once in about 4-5 games! I just feel consistency is too much underrated by England, and hanging onto guys like Dernbach and Broad for as long as they did/do epitomises this. My main point was as you said: things aint so dire, and I'd be amazed if England can't pick a decent team from such lists and if there are any long periods of poor form and/or injury, give someone else a go like they're doing with Woakes at long last.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 21, 2013, 9:18 GMT), listing names does not equal depth. You can remove Bell from your list of b&p players as he's unlikely to ever bowl another ball in international cricket and you can move Patel from your list of regulars to the b&p list. I'm certainly hopeful of seeing Tremlett and Bresnan back to their best after injuries but neither is certain. Broad has shown signs of regaining his mojo but still has a lot to prove. Woakes is a genuine prospect but is more fancied as a bowler in Tests than limited-overs. Dernbach is likely to never make it as an international player and Meaker has it all to prove. Things are far from dire but they are not as rosy as they looked at the end of the Ashes in 2011.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 21, 2013, 9:18 GMT)

@JG2704 (post on February 20, 2013, 19:16 GMT): why are you so worried about the bowling stocks when England have Woakes; Swann; Finn; Anderson; Onions; Harris; Briggs; Dernbach (if he gets his form back!); Bresnan (once fit); Tredwell; Patel; Tremlett (if fit); and bits-and-pieces bowlers in Root; Bell; Trott; KP; and Broad would no doubt be back in contention after a long rest and a stint at county cricket.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 9:14 GMT)

@landl47 on (February 21, 2013, 5:26 GMT), I don't really think that I'm being hard on Root. Firstly, it's important to realise that I've never had the chance to see him play prior to his Test debut in India. Going by what I'd read, it sounded like he was very likely to play for England at some point in the future but he was at least a year or two away from being ready. If you were to look at his stats alone then I very much doubt that you'd be in a hurry to select him. He's only young so it's fair enough that his stats aren't great but that's just evidence that he's not ready yet. Yes he did well this last year but then he was a year older and playing in a division lower, so you would hope to see an improvement but I still maintain that his domestic stats are unremarkable. I'm quite sure that they'll improve, if he gets to play much domestic cricket now, but if Australia picked a player with those stats there'd be a few taunts heading in that direction.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 21, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

@Meety on (February 21, 2013, 2:18 GMT) All I can say is that it's all good so far. I certainly don't see him as an all rounder. Maybe a better version of Patel - in every dept and yes the bowling in shorter formats particularly has become a worry. We have 3 nailed on bowlers - Jimmy,Swann and Finn and I'd like to see Tredwell continue despite going for runs recently - the big problem is that 2 of those bowlers are rested half the time

Posted by JG2704 on (February 21, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

@Shan156 on (February 21, 2013, 0:14 GMT) I think I have quite a few recollections of our side chasing a decent score and going along at a steady pace/not losing wickets and then being unable to chase the target down - whether you blame the mid order for being unable to finish the job or the top order for letting the RRR climb. A classic example was when Eng played India in the last WC. They were set a stiff target of around 330 and Strauss and Bell were not really letting the RRR rise too much but they also never got it down. Strauss was the main reason they kept it in check. After both fell we had to rely on Shazhad to hit a 6 off the penultimate delivery to squeeze a draw. So I'd still say 5 might be better but was certainly not was required

Posted by TripleCenturian on (February 21, 2013, 8:21 GMT)

Root is destined to be on the scene for the next decade. He will be opening with Cook in the Test team before the year is out and to be honest Flower may as well move him to open now as he is just delaying the inevitable. Root has survived and excelled at all he has been asked to do so why expect anything different as an opening partner for Cook? He will also succeed Cook as skipper in five years time. His biggest risk is burn out by playing all formats. Whilst young, I presume England will wrap him in cotton wool now and again against some minor sides and save him for the bigger matches. His bowling is a pleasant bonus as at Yorkshire we only saw him bowl the first over in T20 matches and not much more. But I agree its not something to rely on as a fifth bowler or shared fifth bowler with another part timer like Pietersen. Yet. Would not surprise me to see him improve further with his off spin though. He likes the action, works hard and is a fast learner. And he is a Yorkie!

Posted by DylanBrah on (February 21, 2013, 6:31 GMT)

Ahh, what a classic Stuart Broad performance -- getting smashed around the park by minnow New Zealand like the club player he is. Makes you wonder about the lack of pace bowling depth in England when this poor excuse for a player keeps being picked in England's best XI.

Posted by landl47 on (February 21, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

@Meety: I agree about Root. I was one of those who thought he should be given a bit longer to gain experience before playing at international level and I've been surprised by how good he has been- particularly with regard to his temperament. The stress seems to have raised his game. No doubt he'll have lean spells, but hopefully he has the character to overcome them.

@jmc: don't you think you're being a little hard on Root when talking about his domestic numbers? He was only 22 a few weeks ago, so all his domestic cricket was played when he was 21 or less and he averaged 49.31 in FC cricket in 2012. His overall average is only 38 at the moment, but I'll be very surprised if it isn't close to or over 50 in a couple of years.

I think numbers rarely lie; there are a few players who are much better or much worse at international level than they are as domestic players, but generally a good player is a good player. I don't expect Root to be one of the exceptions.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (February 21, 2013, 5:15 GMT)

Alas poor Stuart!...Everyone is droppinjg him. I actually had an intuition that he'd be a star on this tour. Back to the drawing board....

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 21, 2013, 4:48 GMT)

@Meety on (February 21, 2013, 2:18 GMT), agreed. As someone else mentioned, attacks around the world will get better at dismissing Root as they see more of him, as has happened with many batsmen before. He looks quite able to come to terms with that and prosper in the medium term though. It's also worth remembering that, while his innings yesterday was good, he was dropped twice in the process. His bowling should definitely be considered no more than a bonus and starting a game assuming that he will be good for a certain number of overs would be dangerous.

Posted by Meety on (February 21, 2013, 2:18 GMT)

@JG2704 on (February 20, 2013, 19:15 GMT) - I suspect Root will be one of those players that improves in the company of International team mates. I do however, think that a few too many are puffing him up beyond his means (for the time being). Some are more less making him out to be an allrounder as well! He is certainly a boost to the ODI side bating-wise, but I feel that including him has a part of the 5th 10 over allotment in ODIs will be unwise. England's batting is well placed for the new 2 new balls rule, but I think their bowling (not withstanding Anderson's 5 wicket haul) is a weakness, (too much sameness). Also, IMO, you need a more bowlers with a S/R at 30 or below.

Posted by Meety on (February 21, 2013, 2:08 GMT)

My post from yesterday did not make it thru. I saw a fair bit of the match on TV. England's chase was pretty much text book perfect for the post 20/20 era. Don't lose early wickets - check, get to the 30th over with less than 2 wickets down - check, ensure the last 20 overs is less than 7 rpo - check. Match was set up nicely by Anderson & Finn, & it was good reward at the end to end up with a 5 for. It would of been interesting to see what COULD of happenned if McCullum batted another 3 or 4 overs. I expect England will win the final, subject to the unlikely event of McCullum firing in 3 consecutive matches.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (February 21, 2013, 1:04 GMT)

davidpk on (February 20, 2013, 20:12 GMT) Yes I am as English as a horsemeat burger, my point on Buttler was only he seems to have had a few go through his legs; his batting in the T20's was exceptional and hopefully he can replicate that in the longer format. I only get to see the highlights as I live in Washington DC now (and my wife would not let me stop up all night like I used to) and they seem to have shorter highlights so maybe I missed some of his shots in the first ODI but he got out cheaply, I would never bin someone after a couple of games I was merely querying if KP was to return who would go but thinking about it KP is not going to don the gloves is he. Maybe in time if he proves the real deal, Buttler could be the biffer at the top of the order.

Posted by Shan156 on (February 21, 2013, 0:21 GMT)

The thing with KP/Morgan/Buttler/Root, in that order, is these guys can (and in the case of Root, looks like) they could play innovative/unorthodox shots to produce scoring opportunities. That is not the case with Cook/Bell/Trott and this is one important facet in the modern LOI game. Someone should surely make way for KP. KP is essential for our ODI success. In fact, I think he should play at the top of the order sandwiched between Cook and Trott. I think the one to make way should be Morgan based on recent form. Morgan has looked more scratchy than anyone else in recent times. That is exactly why I was more happy to see Root, rather than Morgan, at the crease when Cook was out. Many people thought otherwise but Root, on current form, puts a premium price tag to his wicket and wickets are essential when you chase anything above 5 an over. Morgan may have played a few shots but he was more likely to get out and put more pressure on the guys following him.

Posted by Shan156 on (February 21, 2013, 0:14 GMT)

@JG2704, re: Nick Knight's comment, I am in agreement with you but perhaps Knight meant that as long as Eng. keep wickets intact, rotate the strike, and find the odd boundary here and there, it would be safe to accelerate in the later overs and achieve the target comfortably. Of course, scoring 5 when RRR is 7 would only increase the RRR but as long as wickets are intact, it should be relatively easier to chase even 10 an over in the last 5 overs than say having to chase at a run a ball but with, say, only 3 or 4 tail-end wickets left.

Posted by bender6 on (February 20, 2013, 23:10 GMT)

Good game rescued from early torpor, but the truth is the side with the best bowlers won, although NZ's 'bit's'n'pieces' players did themselves and us a disservice by getting no runs and then getting bowled out. I have to ask why Timmy was rushed in from injury when he needs more 4 day cricket before the tests, and why Ian Butler wasn't put in instead- mind you Butts seems to always be one poor game from the wilderness (remember he had a blinder against Pakistan in a test 6/46 in last innings and was dropped for 2 or 3 years?!), where Mills/Southee/N.McCullum seem to get several chances. If we do play Mills (I'd rather not) he needs to bowl out his 10 before 30 overs are up as he is useless without the new ball- and I bowl as 'fast' as him, unfortunately he seems to be team-press liasion and is untouchable. We need to bring in Ronchi & Butler and pray Jesse Ryder gets bored fanging domestic attacks to kingdom come and returns to international cricket. England have no worries= class

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 22:47 GMT)

Decent Eng performance, nearly undone by some jawdropping work from Taylor and McCullum. Jimmy excellent, obviously, and Finn did good work, feel increasingly confident in Joe Root each time he walks out. I do still suspect Woakes lacks a bit at this level, he's clearly a skilful, thinking bowler, but needs either to be a bit more skilful or a bit nippier (caveat, I'd like him to do well). Do wonder what's going on in Broad's head sometimes. Wonder equally what's going on in the heads of the Trott-haters. Seriously, the man's a gem.

Furthermore, and at the risk of sounding patronising (not the intention),Lord these threads are a more civilized place at the mo. NZ fans, hats off to you.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (February 20, 2013, 22:22 GMT)

@ConradS - the issue is that his low strike rate is forcing the other batsmen to bat out of their comfort zone and do something they are not accustomed to. Guys like Bell, Cook, Root are being forced to up the scoring rate when batting with Trott. We've already seen Bell gone out to 2 attempted slogs in the first couple of ODIs and even though Root batted beautifully, keep in mind he was let off twice in this match. It's ok if Trott goes on to post a big score but on days when he hits 50 off 80 balls and gets out is when Eng are in big trouble. With the way Root played today Eng might have found it's #4/#5 batsman to play behind the openers and KP. Someone who can come in when Eng are 20 for 3 and build and then can switch gears later in the innings, an MS Dhoni type but with a much better technique and less clear the rope brute force. OH and FINALLY...OH JIMMY YOU BEAUTY! :-)

Posted by trav29 on (February 20, 2013, 22:00 GMT)

broad's problem today was he was bowling the sort of lengths that he would bowl at his old pace , but today he was struggling to get above 135kph for most of the game

if hes gonna be bowling at that sort of pace then he needs to have much better control

whether he was deliberately trying to keep his pace down in an attempt to keep it tight i dont know, if so it didn't work very well. but given the publicised nature of his heel injury i would be concerned seeing him bowl at that pace if it is linked to trying to manage the injury as he wont be effective as he just doesn't have the same level of control and accuracy that anderson does to get away with the relative lack of pace.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 20, 2013, 21:48 GMT)

Already 80 comments as I type, and: @RandyOZ... nope! @Jonesy2... nope! @ElectricLoco_something-or-other... nope! These were the guys that were predicting 3-0 sweep to NZ, and after this dominating display by England (even with Broad still in the team!) they're nowhere to be found. I wonder are they following the chaos in India?

Posted by tauranga on (February 20, 2013, 21:20 GMT)

Hey Guys, a word about the Kiwi performance wouldn't go amiss. Off to a slow start the "experts" rated this a done & dusted match after 15 overs. Taylor & McCullem not bad performances. Williamson a player to build around & Guptill not around today. Their Bowling lacks bite but this was not a poor display by them.

England need to sort out who should bat 7 & Broad is being picked on past performances.

The decider should be a belter.

Posted by hhillbumper on (February 20, 2013, 21:11 GMT)

just one thing to say.Root can play.I miss Dernbachs bowling though as there is a certain poetry to that flick of the mane when he gets slapped to the boundary once more

Posted by ConradS on (February 20, 2013, 20:31 GMT)

As a New Zealnder I can't understand the anti-Trott brigade. So what if he doesn't score as quickly as the slash and dash T20 specialists. He's averaging a shade over 50 in ODI's with a strike rate of 75. He's scoring a fifty or a hundred roughly every second game! With him in the side England can be almost guaranteed to bat out their 50 overs and post a pretty decent score. The only time you wouldn't want him in is when the target is over 300 in my opinion. If you don't want him, we'll gladly have him thanks very much.

As for Joe Root, England look to have found a new batting star. I fear that New Zealand will struggle to take 20 wickets in any of the 3 tests the way things are shaping up.

Posted by bumsonseats on (February 20, 2013, 20:12 GMT) you class the T20 in with your comment sif so you have not given buttler much of a chance with your average at best comment. to be average at best would mean either hes dropped a catch or let byes go, or struggled to do any of the things a wicket keeper has to do. then maybe his batting as that in this day and age is part and parcel of a keeper job,no failure there that i can see when hes been needed to bat has scored his runs at about 2 runs per bowl i cannot see were you are going with this. are you english ? if not maybe i can understand as then it would be sour grapes.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (February 20, 2013, 19:57 GMT)

As many have noted, Joe Root is the genuine article! I have never seen someone so at home on the international stage so quickly! Well done to Graham Thorpe for lobbying for JR so effectively (who said Thorpe didn't bring anything to the table when he was playing? I suspect it was Duncan Fletcher!) his judgement was spot on! One other significant plus was the opening bowling. Jimmy we know about & he showed once more what a superb practitioner he is today, but Finn was off a significantly shorter run up & more effective than ever. From my reading, (I was too young then to take any notice) this is precisely what another England quick did (shorten his run up) after an appalling first Test on the '54-'55 Ashes tour: Frank Tyson, on the suggestion of his captain, the late great, Sir Leonard Hutton. And we know that from the 2nd Test onwards that 'Typhoon' Tyson & the ever-reliable Brian Statham just blew the Ozzies away!

Posted by thekaz on (February 20, 2013, 19:20 GMT)

@ChrisSengelow - With the current regulations 2 new balls, I think the top three right now is fine, you get good value for playing proper high class cricket shots deeper into the innings. I honestly think if one of the top three is to go, Bell will be left out before Trott, despite his record recently.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 20, 2013, 19:16 GMT)

I see there are alot of calls for Broad to be replaced and I can see both sides of the coin here. It seems that his pace has come down and while pace isn't everything , if his maximum pace has come down (due to an injury niggle?) this surely compromises on his variety and makes him more predictable and less effective. So , if this is the case I'd say to totally rest him from the rest of the tour - we have Onions and Woakes who could come in for the tests and I'd rather not see Broad's long term fitness compromised by playing with an injury. I was one of many who thought he should have been rested til the start of the English summer but who was pleased when he bowled so well in some of the T20s. The unfortunate thing is that while we seem to have alot of competition for shorter format batting spots , I worry about our bowling depth

Posted by JG2704 on (February 20, 2013, 19:15 GMT)

People are saying about who will make way for KP?

This may be a huge call but how about no one?

The reason I say this is that I can't see how the selectors are going to drop anyone to make way for him. I'm not saying I necessarily agree , but I'd say Cook,Bell and Trott (even though I'd probably not play them in the same side and if I did I'd separate them in the batting order) are fixtures in the side now. That leaves Root,Morgan and Buttler from today's side - and we still have Jonny fighting for a place , not to mention guys like Wright and Hales who I think should be looked at. Personally , I can't see them dropping Morgan - even if KP maybe the better at that role and to be fair , when Morgan fires he's as destructive as KP and I don't think KP exactly set the world on fire in the ODI series vs India. Even in the India ODI series he score 1 x 50 at a Trott/Bell like pace and looked extremely scratchy at the crease until Root came in.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 20, 2013, 19:15 GMT)

Have to agree with most of the comments re Root. While it maybe too early to get ahead of ourselves he does remind me of a cross between Buttler and Morgan but maybe without quite the same hitting power. I'd seen little of him for Yorks and his stats (in league 2 cricket) were good but not great. In fact I saw him in the CLT20 and he didn't impress me at all. However I wonder if he might just be a guy (and maybe I'm clutching at straws here) who will rise further , the greater the challenge is put in front of him. Another thing was the Sky commentary team were going on about bringing Morgan ahead of Root for more firepower when we were slipping behind the required RR. I'd say yes to bringing a faster scorer up the order when this is happening but is Morgan necessarily faster than Root? From what I've seen of Root , he has the same gears that guys like Morgan,KP and Buttler have. Has to be the find of the last 3 years

Posted by JG2704 on (February 20, 2013, 19:15 GMT)

A few things I noticed - and am noticing more and more - is the reading of the game by many of the Sky commentary team esp Nick Knight.

All finished well for England but I felt that at times when the rate was increasing to over 6rpo and England (when Bell and Cook or Cook and Trott were at the crease) would score 5 - Knight would say "that was just what was required".

I'm not maths expert but surely when you're chasing at over 6 rpo , while 5 runs may not be so bad and 6 runs better still , "Just what is required" (to reduce the runrate required) is 7 or more otherwise the runrate climbs.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 20, 2013, 19:14 GMT)

@BhuJo on (February 20, 2013, 4:01 GMT) You would drop Swann - seriously. He may have gone for a few runs in the last 2 - after a long time out - but last year he was our best shorter formats bowler.

@yorkslanka on (February 20, 2013, 8:29 GMT) I don't think there has been a man of the match in any of these series. Root was superb but you couldn't argue with Jimmy, Taylor or Mccullam getting the award - if there was one

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 20, 2013, 13:38 GMT) That leaves 4 full time bowlers plus Root. Being that our bowling is more suspect than our batting I'd say that'd be a bad move

Posted by Shan156 on (February 20, 2013, 18:53 GMT)

@The_bowlers_Holding, Onions in tests for me. The toss is paramount in these conditions as you currently point out. No reason to change the XI now although Broad worries me. I think Swann will come into his own in the tests which, to me and many other Eng. fans, I suppose, is more important. That said, I do want Eng. to win the ODI series too. But, these games are nothing more than preparation, and means to identify our best XI, for the CT in few months. I wish we have a better year w.r.t. tests in 2013. Last year was a good one for our ODI side. Sadly our test side regressed although the win in Ind., kind of, erased the bad memories of the year. Does Broad look test ready to anyone? I don't think so.

Posted by Shan156 on (February 20, 2013, 18:10 GMT)

I see that some fans are asking for Trott to be dropped. No way. His calm and composed presence at the crease is very much required although if he have another Trott-like batsman at the other end, it would be very difficult in ODIs, esply in Aus. Bell should be asked to attack more. If there is one area of concern for me in this Eng. ODI batting side, it is the top 3, none of whom are explosive. When KP returns, let him open the batting alongside Cook. I know Bell has done well at the top recently but the "sameness" (in terms of playing the big shots) of the top 3 is going to hurt us in the big games.

And re: Swann vs Tredwell, give Swanny a break. It has just been two games. He will get better. I hope he finds his form before the tests. I like Tredwell and he should be our first backup spinner in ODIs (like Monty in tests) but a Swanny he is not.

Posted by Trickstar on (February 20, 2013, 18:09 GMT)

No one has mentioned him much but I'm still not convinced by Woakes in one day cricket. I know he's meant to offer a bit with the bat but the fact is his bowling comes first and he has to bowls 10 overs. I think he's one of those bowlers that international batsmen can line up and score off quite easily, especially as they see more of him. He should get his chance in the side but even for Warks he's not a go to one day bowler by any stretch. I just don't think he's got enough variation to be a decent one day bowler & he's not quick, tall or doesn't swings the ball so he'll find it hard and tbh his forte lies in test cricket where I believe he can be a real top class all rounder one day.

Posted by Shan156 on (February 20, 2013, 18:06 GMT)

When we saw young Joe Root handle Indian bowlers with ease in Nagpur, we knew this boy was someone special. Botham was talking about his record in ODIs where he has had scores of 30+ in his first 6 ODIs. Add to his 2 test innings scores of 70+ and 20+ (notout) and Joe Root has had a spectacular start to his international career. Granted that the bowling attacks that he has faced are ordinary but you could see the ease with which he has adapted to international cricket, like fish takes to water. Surprisingly, his FC stats are very ordinary. So, England's selectors should be given credit for looking beyond those numbers.

Posted by gsingh7 on (February 20, 2013, 17:52 GMT)

good comeback from england, still need to improve to avoid 2nd series loss in succession after getting beat from india 3-2. best of luck nz, win series and strengthen india's place at top of rankings.

Posted by Trickstar on (February 20, 2013, 17:36 GMT)

@ jmcilhinney Agree with you about Trott, I'm not on the keep him in brigade or the get him out of the side lot either. I do think he can be a great asset on quite a few pitches, particularly in England. My problem is not that he doesn't smash sixes at all, it's that he doesn't seem to have the game, or the will to up his strike rate when we really need to, whether that's in the chase or setting big total's. He seems content on letting his partner no matter who it is or when they've arrived at the crease to take the chances. it's no surprise he averages 50 because of that very reason, other batsmen have to take chances and push the pace, Trott rarely does. Like you say I think he could do and I've seen him do it playing for Warks a few times. Plenty of so called slower players have added shots to their games but I haven't seen that from Trott. Like I've said before he seems to play the same inning time & time again.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (February 20, 2013, 17:19 GMT)

The importance of winning the toss has not been mentioned (in both games) England haven't lost a ODI after winning the toss since SA last year, there lies the problem when batting first who takes on the biffers role. . Who to drop for KP? Bell has a great record since coming back and Trott rarely lets the side down, I suppose Morgan has been the patchiest and it's hard to gauge Buttler till he gets to bat- his glovework is average at best (? Bairstow/Prior). Excellent bowling by Jimmy and Finn the rest so so, but the pitch is a batting Eden apparently so maybe that puts the opening 2 bowlers performance into perspective, the first 12 overs were very good (new ball or not). Broad continues to worry me, maybe Onions instead (long term) but not Meaker having seen the Lions stats.

Posted by Trickstar on (February 20, 2013, 17:16 GMT)

@Nigel James Turner Not really like for like stats are they, apart from Kallis is an all rounder & alot of Kallis' stats go back to day before strike rates were regularly around 85/90+. He started his career in 1996 when a good strike rate was 70, today a strike rate in the 70's is poor. The thing that you & others seem to miss is that it's all well and good when he gets a high score but he never increases his strike rate, he always puts the pressure on the new batsmen and that leads to wickets, basically he plays the same inning over and over again, surely international batsmen have to be more versatile than that. Sometimes his slow scoring comes off and there's other times when we play on 300 par pitches, he puts us in a hole and puts the onus on other players, even when they are new to the crease. That said I would play him in England in the champions Trophy where the pitches are likely be more low scoring & he'd come into his own but I think we need to be more flexible with Trott.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 17:13 GMT)

jmcilhinney on (February 20, 2013, 12:49 GMT) - I understand your point on Cook but even if you look at the last twelve months, Trott still has a far better average than Cook (something like 57 compared to 41).

In regards to Trott, a big issue is whether we bat first or second. Had we batted first today, played exactly the same and scored 290, then NZ came in second and the McCullum showed saw them home in the last over then we would be looking for reasons why we lost. The first reason would be the slow strike rates of the top three batsmen and Trott is obviously one of them, is there room for all three of them or does one of them have to give for a more attacking player?

Posted by chillers_khalifa on (February 20, 2013, 17:00 GMT)

Root is becoming root of england batting now. Future are looking good for england.lots of new talents are coming in english team now.

Posted by thekaz on (February 20, 2013, 16:32 GMT)

Big selection headache for England coming up, with Pietersen coming back in. Trott cant be dropped, his worth was showed India, England effectively lost that series by getting bowled out very cheaply twice. Average of 50 at a strike rate of 78? Thats a record people should be praising not criticising him for. Just because he doesn't hit the ball out of the park doesnt make him a worse player, he scored 2 or 3 boundaries today and still had a strike rate of 86 or something like that. Ps. One 6 and 5 dots in a over gets you the same number of runs as six singles. Nothing wrong with that method.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 16:27 GMT)

Joe Root's an absolute star, isn't he? Like many others, I had my doubts about him being hurled into the ODI fray with such alacrity, but he's blown away all our doubts within a matter of a few short weeks. It's his *intent* I like: on the lookout for scoring opportunities from Ball One, never even remotely cowed, yet never so arrogant about the task he has to complete that he plays beyond his self-imposed limitations. It'll be impossible to leave him out of the Tests against NZ now, but I think it'd be horribly unfair on Nick Compton to slot Root straight in as Cook's partner without first giving Compton his head.

Just as I'd hoped they would, the top three all upped their scoring rates significantly (but the question remains: can they do so consistently when we bat first?), while Broad provided yet more ammunition for his critics, I'm afraid. Personally, I'd keep him in, on the basis that he's just finding his range, but he won't be able to survive many more days like this.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 20, 2013, 16:06 GMT)

I agree with the retention of Trott... He's infuriating to watch in ODI's simply because he's not a gung-ho "bash it all over the park like Pietersen" batsman.. So what ? He also gets up the oppositions nose as well.. They know as long as he's there England will get a score.. What more do you want from a batsman ?

Posted by Trickstar on (February 20, 2013, 15:56 GMT)

@Apocalypse_EX To put it bluntly NO, Tredwell is a good bowler but nowhere near Swann's class imo, he's been our most consistent best one day bowler for the past 3 years & was at No1 not that long ago. I do think though that we can on occasions play both bowlers but that would depend on the pitch and ground. We saw in the T20's that Trewell was nowhere near as effective as he was in India but on these pitches in NZ and with the size of the grounds spin bowlers can go for big overs, saying that any bowler can nowadays.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 15:41 GMT)

Root has played well since he came into international cricket and shows great promise. He may end up being a fantastic player. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, we all know that batsmen get found out sooner or later (as has happened to Morgan). It's how they deal with it that counts. If I had to make a choice it would be Root over Morgan based on current form. But England would be wise to keep their options open. Nice problem to have.

How anyone can leave out Trott is beyond me, just look at his record. I remember that people used to make the same criticisms of Jacques Kallis as they do Trott, they both seem to bat in a bubble, but I think Trott has great match awareness and the stickability that you need even in an ODI.

Kallis ODI Ave 45, SR 72. Trott Ave 50, SR 75. He's being much maligned.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 15:28 GMT)

Joe Root's an absolute star, isn't he? Like many others, I had my doubts about him being hurled into the ODI fray with such alacrity, but he's blown away all our doubts within a matter of a few short weeks. It's his *intent* I like: on the lookout for scoring opportunities from Ball One, never even remotely cowed, yet never so arrogant about the task he has to complete that he plays beyond his self-imposed limitations. It'll be impossible to leave him out of the Tests against NZ now, but I think it'd be horribly unfair on Nick Compton to slot Root straight in as Cook's partner without first giving Compton his head.

Just as I'd hoped they would, the top three all upped their scoring rates significantly (but the question remains: can they do so consistently when we bat first?), while Broad provided yet more ammunition for his critics, I'm afraid. Personally, I'd keep him in, on the basis that he's just finding his range, but he won't be able to survive many more days like this.

Posted by zummerrset on (February 20, 2013, 15:25 GMT)

@Landl47 - you are quite correct that a combination of 10 overs from Root/KP may go for 90 runs though I feel that this is possibly overstated a bit. The reasoning behind all this is to accommodate KP by dropping Broad whose 10 overs (on recent form) are likely to go for 70 runs - ie only 20 runs less. Provided KP more than makes up for these 'lost' runs then England will surely be better off. I fear though that they are more likely to drop Woakes than Broad should they go down the part time 5th/6th bowler route.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 20, 2013, 15:25 GMT)

@Apocalypse In a word: no. People snipe a lot at Swann as it is news when he takes some stick, but he is still the go-to bowler. I seem to remember Tredwell coming in for some real punishment in one of the T20s...

Posted by klusenar2k13 on (February 20, 2013, 15:07 GMT)

Root is the future for England

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 20, 2013, 15:02 GMT)

@landl47 I am afraid that I agree about Morgan. He was extremely effective when he started, but seems to be coming off increasingly rarely. He has not seen a lot of county form in recent years and he is seeing all manner of players advancing their case ahead of him. Today he did not even get to bat because one of his rivals for a middle order slot came in and finished the game. Competition is healthy here. One question I would have only having seen the end: obviously Swann, Broad and Woakes hit a blizzard of punishment but, how is Woakes showing up? A lot of us were hoping that he would get a proper chance to show whether or not he is capable of batting at 7 and acting as3rd or 4th seamer.

Posted by sweet2hrme on (February 20, 2013, 14:57 GMT)

New Zealand need big changes if they wana compete with others! See its not the 1st time whn their openers fail to deliver! Playing with 2~2.5 run rate in starting overs does not make any any sense. Some of the players shld take resposibility n need to play tive game!! Every time we found u r strugling team whether u r playin home or out side!

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 14:51 GMT)

Broads averageness (other that in t20 hit and giggle games) has been long standing. His pace is back down again - rarely above 132 today. His length is short he bowls side and he doesn't move it much. All he has is height. If his career had begin in late 2011 it would be over by now given the poor results and injury prone nature he has. If this was a one off..fine. But it isn't. Broad has been poor for years, if he has to bwol more than 4 overs his pace drops 8 kph and he gets more and more wayward. Whenever he gets tap he loses his mind and starts sending down over after over of wide, slow unthreatening filth. He needs to go, Can't beleive England are sticking with him. Bresnan improved and worked hard after a poor 2012. Broad is back and very quickly dropped back down in pace and reverted to his trashy long hops again. Get rid of him!

Posted by Apocalypse_EX on (February 20, 2013, 14:38 GMT)

This may seem wierd but does anyone else feel Treadwell would be a better option as a spinner in limited overs? I know Swann in first choice but his recent form hasnt been spectacular. It may be because he is rested from limited overs matches most of the time and has to regain his rhythm more often than not.

Posted by landl47 on (February 20, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

Not so many people in here today talking about what a poor ODI team England is. Great effort from Anderson, Finn (I think the short run-up is ideal for him) and all the batsman.

Sorry, Zummerrset, but I don't agree at all. There's no way England should play an ODI looking for 10 overs from Root/KP- they'd have gone for 90 yesterday. Buttler won't be better than Root at any point in their respective careers (bit of Zummerrset bias there!) and the batsman to be dropped should be Morgan. He is getting worse, not better, and he needs to sort his technique out. There's a rush to drop Broad, who just came off the 2 best performances of his T20 career; McCullum went crazy and Broad, Woakes and Swann all suffered, not only from him but from Taylor, too, who was well set by then. Woakes and Broad held their nerve and got important wickets late in their spells.

Drop Morgan, move Root to 5 when KP comes in, and this side will be just fine.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK I completely agree, that would be my ideal team. Really strong batting that. Unfortunately, I think the selectors are going to hold on to Broad for the rest of time... for some reason.

Posted by bumsonseats on (February 20, 2013, 13:54 GMT)

it will be a hard job who to leave out in the battings that not a great state to be in. on paper i would keep trott as in the uk you will need the like of him. my pick and its not easy would be root, but what a state to be in, the most talked about youngster in cricket who would get a game in any other team. shows CC must be doing something right the young men who may miss out this summer. then the c side is not doing so good in oz at the moment but then it our boys v men

Posted by zummerrset on (February 20, 2013, 13:49 GMT)

@Simon Husson - It wouldn't trouble me too much to include Trott over Bairstow and it was the selection that was the most difficult. I do think that batting Bairstow at 7 could mean his talent is under utilised but might give comfort if early wickets fall in the absence of Trott. Bairstow is also a superior fielder. With regard to Trott's bowling in ODI's his economy rate is 5.44 (2 wickets) compared to KP's of 5.55 (7 wickets). KP has bowled more than double the overs of Trott. So on the basis of the bowling argument (and if we go by stats) KP is just as effective a 5th/6th bowler as Trott. Tricky one. The other option would perhaps be to drop Morgan to accommodate both Trott and Bairstow but my view is that the England management are desperate to include Morgan. I just hope they are not as keen to hang on to Broad.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 20, 2013, 13:38 GMT)

@zummerrset and David Booer: Trott is too great an asset to be dropped IMO. I would play: Cook; Bell; Trott; Root; KP; Morgan; Buttler; Woakes; Swann; Finn; Anderson. The order can be shuffled a little depending on whether England are batting first or chasing; the pitch and weather conditions; whether the openers get out early or dig in; etc. You will notice the biggest change to my team is the absence of the infuriating Broad! I think the likes of Bell, Trott, Root and KP can occupy 10 overs between them much better than Broad. The likes of Hales and Bairstow are waiting in the wings as replacement batsmen, and Onions, Harris, Briggs, Dernbach (if he gets his form back!), Bresnan (once fit), Tredwell etc. are all there to fight over bowling slots up for grabs.

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (February 20, 2013, 13:11 GMT)

Cook, Root, Trott, KP, Morgan,Bairstow, Buttler, bowlers. Ditch Bell he offers nothing that cook and trott don't have. 10 overs from Root Trott and KP is better than bringing in and relying on the woeful Patel.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

I am sorry to say it, but I think that the way Root is going, we may have to play him in the champions trophy, if he carries on this way. But who misses out? It can't be Cook as he's captain and scores runs for fun. Not Bell, for that reason too. You can't justify not playing KP in any team. Morgan is an amazing finisher. That leaves Trott. I know it's harsh, but it seems like Root has a better all round game, able to adapt his batting style. And he's good for the future. I'm just saying... what do others think? Would love some feedback on this.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 20, 2013, 13:03 GMT)

Enjoyed this match a lot more. Now I want to see this level sustained for the last ODI and the Tests.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 13:00 GMT)

@Zummerrset. Trott instead of Bairstow. Then your 10 overs come from Root/Trott, better than Root/KP, and then you get the run-scoring of Trott as well. The idea that he scores too slowly is surely debunked - SR of 75 and ave of 50+ - you can have all the big run-a-ball hitters you like, but someone has to score the runs!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 20, 2013, 12:52 GMT)

@Ian Jones on (February 20, 2013, 12:42 GMT), I'm a fan of Ian Bell but I wouldn't put him in an ODI team if it wasn't as an opener. he's never really lived up to his obvious potential as a middle order batsman in limited-overs cricket.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (February 20, 2013, 12:50 GMT)

It's always good to win. A very good allround performance with great bowling from JA and Finn, and then all who batted. Root does not seem to find international cricket too hard. Ducks to water,though fingers crossed.It is good to root out a good 21 year old,such as this lad, and hopefully he will be around for a while. Knives out for Trott in one or two posts make one wonder about the brains behind them. One always needs a player like Trott who sells his wicket like it was gold to bat through. Not spectacular I would agree but he usuallly enables a better score to be built around him,a bit like Dravid. The average of 50 does not flatter and he would always be in my side.After all too often England have lost wickets too early and flopped in the past.Finally well done to Anderson on his efforts as well as Finn.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 20, 2013, 12:49 GMT)

@Chris Sengelow on (February 20, 2013, 12:23 GMT), to be fair to Cook, his stats are pulled down by his relatively poor performance before he was dropped. If you look at his stats since he has returned to the team as captain they would be significantly better than his overall numbers. As for Bell, he's never really managed to be a consistent performer in the middle order and I for one always thought that he'd be well suited to opening. I haven't actually checked but it's my impression that his numbers since moving to the top of the order would be better than his overall stats too. He's not done as well as I thought he might though, so his place may well not be safe long term. Hales and even Root may well be challenging for that opening spot before too long. I'm sure Jonny Bairstow wouldn't mind Root moving up and leaving an opening in the middle.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

Broad looks like the most likely to be dropped. One good game followed by two bad is his method of choice. He's had good matches for sure, but now - looking back a full 2 years - he's had a fair few more bad ones than good. It looked like his mindset was "We are missing Dernbach's main modus operandi here - I'll fill the gap with a sucession of medium pace long hops, wide outside off". If that WAS Broads aim..he did very well indeed. Slow, wide and short. Mike Gatting's stature and Stuart Broad's bowling. England also need a dedicated ODI spinner. Swann is too attacking and comes unstuck on none responsive pitches in ODI's. Other than that, England very good. Root breaking records already.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

My ODI team is

Cook Hales Trott Root Bell Prior Woakes Swann J Harris Finn Anderson

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 20, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

It's quite funny to think that, not that long ago, Root was dropped down the order because they didn't think that he could keep up the pace set by the other batsmen. I don't see that happening again any time soon.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 12:23 GMT)

In ODI's....

Trott averages 50.89 at 75.24

Cook averages 40.16 at 78.65

Bell averages 37.16 at 74.56

It would be very, very harsh to drop Trott and not particularly sensible! If England ever found themselves at 62-6, people would soon be wishing there was someone at the top of the innings who didn't just throw his wicket away...

Posted by Selassie-I on (February 20, 2013, 11:39 GMT)

To be honest, when Joey Rott was selected for the India tour, I thought that he was way too green. HJe's proved me completley wrong. England's future could be incredibly bright with Joe rott opening alongside Cook.

Posted by Mitch1066 on (February 20, 2013, 11:35 GMT)

Well played England :) I think England are improving in. Odi slowly but surely

Posted by matchfixerpkn on (February 20, 2013, 10:46 GMT)

mark my words ..root is going to rule world cricket for next 10 years...he is sachin tendulkar for next 15 years..

Posted by rohart on (February 20, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

So Anderson was the root of Root's route to a rout ? While England still have their lows, there seems to be a general steadiness about the team that was not there even under Strauss. Strange, as they seem to be testing out new personnel even more than in some of the uneasy days of five or so years ago. Maybe this squad approach is paying off in all forms of the game.

Posted by AjberTheGangulian on (February 20, 2013, 10:29 GMT)

Nice to see Mr Root Adapt to both versions

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 20, 2013, 10:19 GMT)

This may have been an easier surface to bat on than the last but that was more the type of innings I would like to see from Trott. There's been a lot of talk about Trott's place in this ODI team, with some saying that he shouldn't be included and some saying that he's fine as he is. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle in that I believe that he is capable up upping his run rate and still maintaining a good average. Cook has done a fine job of transforming himself into a very good ODI batsman and I think Trott is capable of doing something similar. I don't expect him to become a biffer but in this game he got his strike rate up to a respectable 80 early on and he kept it there. On many occasions he does touch 80 until his score is well over 50. He only scored 3 boundaries too, so the percentage of scoring shots was high. If continues to play like that then I'll never complain about him again.

Posted by oze13 on (February 20, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

Joe Root is the best young cricketer I've seen in years. Broad needs to be dropped so he can have some time to grow a brain. He's really lost the plot with his wide and short deliveries that shout out 'spank me to the boundary or even over it'. Bowl at the stumps, it's not rocket science!

Posted by cric_J on (February 20, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

Excellent overall performance by England. A good match on the whole.Joe Root has justified his selection every time he has been selected .Today he was simply splendid.Might be early to say so but this guy does have something special about him .Way to go lad. Cook and Bell gave a perfect start and Trott proved why his solidity is required at no. 3 to bail England out of a spot of some bother. But my day was made by Jimmy's masterful 5-34.On a very good batting surface he gave away nothing and took alot !Super display of swing bowling. Get 7 more in the next one Jimmy to topple Gough.

Posted by crafty-Rabbi on (February 20, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

England looked a much better side without Dernbach. Broad may soon follow. He is short of pace and wayward. He seems unable to bowl a yorker and either bowls short and wide or he bowls full tosses. Woakes is a prospect but he tends to have one bad ball an over. He is a work in progress. Thorpe was right about Root he is a fine prospect, although he had some luck today. Swann's winter off is showing. He bowled poorly and looks a little unfit. Too much Goose perhaps over christmas.

The game could easily have gone the other way if McCullum had survived 2 or three more overs.

What a wonderful venue Napier is with Hawke's bay in the background. The wine is not bad either.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

Well done Root! He is playing superbly with bat and ball. He revealed this in India but England selectors did not use him properly against India recently. He can play in all forms of cricket. Good asset for England.

Posted by 5wombats on (February 20, 2013, 9:54 GMT)

Good game. I thought New Zealand batted really well after we had them reeling at 2/19. They really should have gotten more runs though - and would have if they hadn't stumbled at the end. 269 was a really creditable total - an excellent ton from Taylor and a blistering innings of vintage McCullum made up the weight of runs. Nice to see Jimmy pick up a 5fer. I wondered if 270 might be beyond England actually - since simetimes it is! But it was a sensible and measured approach that got England home. Good work from Root - who is a real find for England. Alright - he got some tap - but I like seeing Chris Woakes getting a go too. All round - this sets it up nicely forthe last game.

Posted by Harlequin. on (February 20, 2013, 9:52 GMT)

Hopefully, Root has now dispelled the myth of him being a 1 dimensional cricketer after his grinding test match innings against India. In that test, he played as the situation dictated and stuck around without feeling the pressure to score runs, yet because of that, even as this ODI was going on there were people commenting that he scores too slowly for limited overs cricket. What a way to prove them wrong! Root, Buttler, Woakes, Compton - plenty of batting coming through the ranks for England. If only we could find someone to finally kick Broad into touch.

Posted by Thefakebook on (February 20, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

I hope Joe stays ROOTED with the Eng team for long time.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (February 20, 2013, 9:46 GMT)

Joe Root could be a superstar considering he's only in his early 20's & "Commanderson" is a soldier.

Joe Root must be number 6 in the ashes. Or if Compton doesnt pull his weight he can open cos he's not scared of facing the new ball. Good days for England now.

Posted by jackiethepen on (February 20, 2013, 9:45 GMT)

I think Onions would have been an asset. He has a nagging style which ties batsmen down. The answer for kiwicricketnut is that two new white balls give the opening bowlers better ammunition. Hence early wickets can tumble. NZ lost both openers early which stifled the run rate. England by comparison kept their wickets and Bell and Cook were able to lay a platform for the guys coming in. This really helped Trott who looked rusty and ill-at-ease against the new ball in the first game. Remarkably this report omits any mention of England's opening partnership. A strange oversight as only four batsmen were in the innings. Perhaps we will get a full version of the England batting innings in a later report.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 9:31 GMT)

How strange to think that had Pietersen been on this trip, Root may well not have got a game. It raises an interesting question though, who do the selectors leave out when the next ODI series comes around and Pietersen is available ?

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 9:11 GMT)

Joe Root is a real find for England, congrats to him and this excellent English team.Kiwi bowlers ineffectual though the spinners did OK. Why did Ronchi and Brownlie not play, both very accomplished Aussie sloggers.

Posted by Crinklyoldbugger on (February 20, 2013, 9:09 GMT)

How many overs did Elliot bowl ?

Posted by ste13 on (February 20, 2013, 9:06 GMT)

Very good performance by England. Also judging by their narrow defeat in India (even not looking at the rating India is a force in ODI), England has improved dramatically since the last world cap. If they put Dernbach experiment permanently on the shelf, they will be a top three nation in the next 5 years. And a general comment. Nowadays, you should protect your best players from the temptation of T20 leagues by improving their earnings in international duties. The uqality of domestic T20 leagues is poor in sporting terms. Only international contacts in longer formats, playing in different conditions turns the players into world class. Also India should recognize this fact. Competitive Indian team across all formats is needed for cricket.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 20, 2013, 9:06 GMT)

Solid stuff from England! The sooner they drop Broad, the more games they'll win like this - in even more convincing style. Even at nearly 8 runs an over, they don't dare bowl Root for an over or two instead of Broad...

Posted by kiwicricketnut on (February 20, 2013, 9:04 GMT)

I made a mention before the game that southee and boult wouldn't be that effective in napier because the ball wont swing and sure enough nz went into the game with 3 swing bowlers with mills as well not cutting the mustard. I know you have to fight hard for every wicket in napier but a guy who hits the deck hard is so much more effective there. In saying all that i actually think the batters lost this game for us, we were just too slow, taylor and mccullum were great but we are leaving so much to do at the end of an innings. Surely you can go hard and fast at the start then consolidate if it goes a bit pear shaped, starting slow and steady seems like such a dumb tactic, someone please explain the theory behind this please.

Posted by skilebow on (February 20, 2013, 8:57 GMT)

Well done England. I've thought for a while that the future for England is brighter than the present. Although England are going great at the moment, especially for us brought up in the nineties! there is so much more to come and players like Root confirm this

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (February 20, 2013, 8:57 GMT)

Champion bowling from Anderson, what a performance from him with a five-fer. And again we see what a promising young English batsman Joe Root is, fluent all around the ground and is as superlative a leg side player as he is through the off side. England win, and win massive.

Posted by Crinklyoldbugger on (February 20, 2013, 8:53 GMT)

Mills ...6.4 overs ..ridiculous...where was he when a wicket was needed ?..down at 3rd man not putting his hand up to have a bowl when a wicket was needed...why didn't the captain tell him he needed to bowl much earlier. Statistics are hugely influenced by when a bowler bowls or when a batsman bats. Sadly the dumb media in NZ are not sophisticated enough in their understanding of the nuances of the game of cricket to look deeper than the bald stats. Just watch the drivel from the nz media that will flow forth in the next day or so.

Posted by pommy80 on (February 20, 2013, 8:34 GMT)

Comprehensive win by England. Paced the innings well and bowled well. What a great batsman Joe Root is. Clearly with Root, Buttler, Woakes and more, the future is bright for this dominant England team.

Posted by mikey76 on (February 20, 2013, 8:33 GMT)

What a wonderful prospect Joe Root is. He just seems at home on the biggest stage and has that rare priceless ability to produce when the pressure is on. No disrespect to Nick Compton but the sooner Root is partnered with Cook for the test matches the better. Great bowling from Finn and Anderson, but slightly worrying from Broad. I think unless he has a good warm up game then Onions could get in ahead of him for the tests which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Posted by yorkslanka on (February 20, 2013, 8:29 GMT)

Congrats to England on a commanding win and even better to see one of the Yorkshire boys winning the match..well done Joe Root..

Posted by pom_don on (February 20, 2013, 8:29 GMT)

@RandyOz the inevitable wrong predictions continue.....! Well done England, nicely set up for the decider.

Posted by Crinklyoldbugger on (February 20, 2013, 8:21 GMT)

When did you last see Mills bowl at the death ?...last few overs sign of him...what is going on ?..

Posted by Crinklyoldbugger on (February 20, 2013, 8:18 GMT)

Where is Elliot in this bowling picture ?..not sure why he is there. Those bowling figures by England would see you dropped from NZ

Posted by pramodverma90 on (February 20, 2013, 8:08 GMT)

Why there are no Man of the Match awards being given in this Series?

Posted by Prabhash1985 on (February 20, 2013, 6:29 GMT)

So happy to see... Both Taylor and McCullum score in style... The style anybody would ever love to see...

Posted by 22many on (February 20, 2013, 6:21 GMT)

The class of this man Taylor is outstanding. Trent Woodhills article decribing the man was also outstanding. Sadly in NZ ,the good get stomped on , but in Taylor ,he has risen from the ashes like the quality person he is. Good to see you back where you belong.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 5:47 GMT)

Taylor is a class player. This inning was due for long time as we always see Taylor coming strongly after some lackluster innings.This will e a close contest.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 5:25 GMT)

This is the Taylor the world knows... Go forth my good man; the records are yours for the taking, and everyone knows you are heading in the direction...

Posted by lukecannon on (February 20, 2013, 5:23 GMT)

@sandy_bangalore :- Try Sky sports. It s quite better than all Indian sports channels put together.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 5:21 GMT)

@Shaheer Sohail.....what do you mean by the Kiwis are an emerging team? I found that to be really offensive cause as a supporter for black caps right through the 90s till now ...i never thought they were less in comparison to any side, especially in ODIs and they have consistently been the better team in all of the ICC tournaments (but some how lack of talent and some times other factors have marred their progress).

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 5:11 GMT)

southee can also make ball t talk and onother side mills will be also very key bowler..

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 20, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

Very up and down innings that. Excellent start by England, good finish by England, excellent middle by NZ. Broad and Woakes really cracked under the pressure exerted by McCullum, who is showing why he's so highly rated as a T20 batsman. One wonders how things would have gone if he had had to face a few more overs from Anderson and Finn. Would they have succumbed too or would they have held their nerve and maybe got him sooner and/or for less? It's tough for any bowler facing a batsman like McCullum on song but, once again, I just don't think that England have the bowling plans to adapt when plan A isn't working. Anyway, from what I understand of previous scores on this ground, England would still be favourites right now, but I'm hoping that the returning batsmen worked out any rustiness during the previous game.

Posted by nzcricket174 on (February 20, 2013, 4:58 GMT)

@kc69 you were right! haha, good call.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 4:56 GMT)

i think, New Zeland can defend this total having southee back to their side.. hope keywees wins this series also..:) love to watch emerging team like new zeland fighting...!

Posted by Ramkishore... on (February 20, 2013, 4:25 GMT)

Broad's 150th wicket is quite Mccullum

Posted by Klgn on (February 20, 2013, 4:01 GMT)

Eng lacks of quality bowlers like Anderson and Finn. Eng should think of other options to replace Swann, Broad, Woakes (all three out of form) straight away or else ready to loose this series!! Call back Monty and other good spinner.

Posted by sandy_bangalore on (February 20, 2013, 3:41 GMT)

I am surprised this match is not being telecast in India! The sports channels here are showing old highlights of this years Ranji trophy and the BPL(for goodness sakes)!! Sad and angry that a so-called cricket crazy country like ours cannot even match an exciting cricket contest between two well matched sides, despite 10 sports channels

Posted by kc69 on (February 20, 2013, 3:07 GMT)

Got a strong feeling that Ross Taylor will make a huge impact in this match.Its been long time we've seen his slog sweep sixes.

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