New Zealand v England, 3rd ODI, Auckland

Finn leads England to series win

The Report by Alex Winter

February 23, 2013

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England 186 for 5 (Cook 46, Morgan 39) beat New Zealand 185 (McCullum 79, Finn 3-27) by five wickets
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Steven Finn was unplayable in his opening spell, New Zealand v England, 3rd ODI, Auckland, February 23, 2013
Steven Finn was unplayable and lead England to a resounding win in the final ODI © Getty Images
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If occasionally knocking over the bowler's end bails can be deemed a weakness, it is the only blemish against Steven Finn at the moment. His new, shorter, run up is designed to address that issue and it has taken none of the pace and aggression away from him, qualities which were too good for New Zealand as England comfortably won the deciding ODI.

The win secured their first ODI series in New Zealand since 1992 and was the result of a fine bowling display led by Finn. His excellence included three wickets that laid a platform for England to dominate in the field. He and James Anderson conceded just 18 in the opening 10 overs and New Zealand never recovered, being bowled out for a total nowhere near competitive on a dry, hard, flat surface.

England should have completed a rout but stuttered slightly towards the end of the chase. For the most part they played with the fluency expected on an excellent drop-in pitch. Brendon McCullum also did justice to the conditions with another fine captain's innings, his third consecutive half-century, but the rest of New Zealand's batsman were undone by England's dangerous, disciplined attack, the best of whom was Finn.

The wicket was tailor-made for him and he was often unplayable. His opening spell went for just five and created a crawl through the Powerplay. A regular fall of wickets stymied the recovery and Brendon McCullum's 79 in 68 balls was a lone hand.

England could have asked for no better after Alastair Cook decided to bowl. On a tiny ground - boundaries so short the venue would not be ratified by the ICC if it were a new ground - it was a remarkable performance with the ball. Finn and Anderson produced another opening 10 overs where New Zealand went nowhere and the mood remained throughout the innings.

Only when McCullum opened up in the second Powerplay did New Zealand ever look like making the progress demanded of them to be competitive. But when he was superbly taken by Anderson at deep midwicket to be last man out, New Zealand had wasted seven overs of their innings and were looking down the barrel of defeat.

Chasing such a small target against an attack with few threats, England encountered few problems. New Zealand's seamers are at least five-miles-an-hour slower than England's and provided none of the control that saw the first innings so stifled. England went at five an over in the Powerplay.

They allowed the chase to descend from overwhelming to workmanlike with some lazy strokes - Cook and Jonathan Trott both caught behind driving outside off - but it was beneficial that Eoin Morgan was able to enjoy time at the crease. He drove well off Tim Southee before lifting him over midwicket for six and striking Nathan McCullum over long-on: 39 from 24 balls was a strong reminder of Morgan's ability at a time when everyone's place is under scrutiny because of Joe Root's emergence. Root again led England home with a composed, mature innings.

But the depth of England's batting was in stark contrast to New Zealand, who were badly exposed against the new ball. McCullum was left stranded and his form would suggest he would be better utilised at the top of the order.

The inexperienced opening pair of BJ Watling and Hamish Rutherford lacked the technique to deal with Anderson and especially Finn. Watling faced him like a schoolchild in his first adult net session. He only lasted four balls from Finn. The first delivery whistled past his shoulder, the second jagged back sharply, the third seamed away beating the outside edge and the fourth was fended to second slip as Watling was beaten for pace.

Finn's opening five overs were unplayable. He found plenty of bounce and moved the new ball both ways. His second wicket was reward for his probing of Rutherford who eventually wafted at a wide delivery and edged behind.

The over was the second of consecutive wicket maidens as New Zealand made another limp effort of the opening Powerplay. Returns of 33 for 1 in Hamilton and 21 for 2 in Napier were trumped by 18 for 3 from the first 10 overs here.

Anderson matched his taller partner, with his opening five overs costing 12, and had Williamson caught behind when he uncharacteristically felt for a ball which held its line just outside off stump to take a thin edge.

Chris Woakes and Stuart Broad, though lacking the nip of Anderson or the pace of Finn, continued England's form with the ball. Broad found the crucial wicket of Taylor who cut at him and got a toe-end to the keeper. Taylor had calamitously ran Grant Elliot out two overs earlier.

It meant McCullum was forced to play carefully with whoever he could find at the other end. He eventually got going in the second over of the batting Powerplay, pulling Finn for two fours before flat-batting a six over long off as Finn went fuller and fuller. It was the first time the bowlers had come under pressure and raised the question of why New Zealand hadn't tried to attack England earlier in the innings. But the brief respite from tumbling wickets didn't last long.

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Posted by JG2704 on (February 25, 2013, 9:02 GMT)

@Bring_back_Wright on (February 25, 2013, 0:38 GMT) Not sure about Wright as a coach (don't know much about his coaching achievements) but I wonder how often NZ would have fielded their best side (for 1 reason or another) in recent years. I always liked Vettori as a player/leader - esp in shorter formats. All the best

Posted by Bring_back_Wright on (February 25, 2013, 0:38 GMT)

@ JG2704 - thanks, and yes if refers to John Wright. I've never met him, but have huge respect for him as a coach and a person. Still very disappointed we let him go as coach. We've taken a huge step backwards in that department in my opinion.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 24, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

@Bring_back_Wright - Class comments there bud. Re your user name - I presume that's John Wight? I met him (when he was a player at Derbyshire). Him and M Crowe (playing for Somerset) were having a drink together after a 40 over match and he (actually both were) was such a lovely bloke. I've always had a soft spot for NZ ever since.

@Matt Fallaize - Likewise , thanks for the comms. Also , it's very subjective as what falls into the good,very good,excellent and unplayable catagorees. What I don't get is that nowhere on the article does it say/intimate that it was anything other than a great spell of bowling and is not equating that a great spell of bowling equates as a great player

Posted by JG2704 on (February 24, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

@.CricketingStargazer on (February 23, 2013, 19:11 GMT) - Neutrals - - where? Seriously there have only been a few NZ fans who have been very self critical of their own team , which I don't mind. I'm probably one of the most critical guys about Eng's faults. Yeah we obviously need a convincing win but also Aus need to hold their own in India. I think we can forget about chasing down SA any time soon. They no longer seem to be losing tests that they should be winning and are holding on when they are behind in tests - a la Aus series.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 24, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (February 23, 2013, 19:45 GMT) Not cunningly at all. I just can't be bothered to go round and round in circles to put my points across , when they are ignored at the other end. As I put before , if it is no big deal to score 214 in TWENTY overs (as you posted at the time) then to restrict a side to 185 in FIFTY overs is impressive. It's either 1 or the other. Lol at terming a day when someone says something you don't like on a cricket website as a "Ghastly Day" and Mr Baker was not wrong as you are currently demonstrating. Oh and thanks for telling me what is right and what is wrong re posts on this website but I think I'll judge for myself - if that's ok with you

please publish

Posted by gm47 on (February 24, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

@Selassie-I on (February 23, 2013, 23:30 GMT) Indian fans - trust me, all us england fans are rooting for you now you're playing the aussies! We're on the same team at the moment.

NOOOOOO way.... I want to see India lose in all formats :) Tired of reading some of the Indian fans comments on here, constantly whining and looking for faults in the England team, even after they were well beaten in the test matches.

I'm rooting for the Aussies.... never thought I would say that :) :)

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (February 24, 2013, 5:12 GMT)

Not too bad winning in NZ. !992 was the year we made finals in WC and hopefully we shall see similar at 2015 WC in A and NZ again.Good stuff from England.

Posted by Mitty2 on (February 24, 2013, 1:02 GMT)

On the Finn note, i saw him bowl yesterday and thought he was very impressive, not unpalyable, but very good. Irrespective to him getting his wickets against two completely inexperienced openers and a tail ender, and bowling to an 8th ranked team, (sarcasm half intended), with the way he was bowling on that batting pitch, he still wouldve troubled much more capable batsmen and deserves some credit

He reminds of me of mitchell starc. He like starc, have test averages just under 30, where starc's is 29.33 with an expensive economy of 3.57 and finn's better with 28.22, but with an even worse economy of 3.62. They both are tall and relatively young, with undoubted talent and heaps of potential, but their downfall comes in their attributes to relieve pressure by being wayward and inconsistent

With Finn being eng's 2nd choice pacer, and starc competing with the likes of Harris, bird, johnson and patto, more emphasis is placed on Finn to perform. Whether Finn stands up or not will be vital.

Posted by Selassie-I on (February 23, 2013, 23:30 GMT)

Indian fans - trust me, all us england fans are rooting for you now you're playing the aussies! We're on the same team at the moment.

Posted by Bring_back_Wright on (February 23, 2013, 22:03 GMT)

I'm a kiwi, but I have to say I'm getting sick of all this England bashing. What is wrong with people that have to post negative comments on a series that doesn't even involve their team? I've found most of the comments from the English fans pretty fair, and the ones that aren't are mostly quite comical (e.g. FFL).

@ Tlotoxl, I don't see one post on here where a NZer is using injuries as an excuse, so not sure where that comment is coming from. That said, I have no doubt that some would try.

In regards to the "unplayable" debate. Our openers couldn't play Finn, so you would have to say for them, Finn was unplayable yesterday. Although McCullum did manage to play him fairly well! Following on from Matt's point about the media earlier...they do have a tendency to sensationalize things, which is a tad annoying. But..@Harmony111, it achieved exactly it's purpose, it got you to read the story. No point complaining.

Well played England, especially the opening bowlers the whole series.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 23, 2013, 20:39 GMT)

@jmcilhinney Essex are really playing careful with Topley. He is not being over-played and is being given the chance to develop and get stronger. He isn't that fast - yet - but hopefully will put on a couple of yards this year. If you ever listen to the BBC Essex comms you'll hear has father (aka chauffer) as the summariser... very interesting to hear Dad commentating on son. Topley led the attack in the U19 World Cup and looked a cut above anyone else.

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (February 23, 2013, 20:10 GMT)

Finn is a quality quick bowler. Australia are in massive trouble in Ashes. This is common knowledge now.

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 20:00 GMT)

Spectacular grasping at straws from Randy there, excellent effort.

I have some sympathy for the anti-hype brigade, but this, sadly, is the nature of modern media, I'd advise getting over it and getting on with your life. Rolling news needs to be fed, and hyperbole is its diet. Ignore and move on. There is a qualitative difference between coverage and actual fans.

And yes, this was a tremendous effort by Eng today, I fail to see how anyone who's played and watched the game could think any different. Finn was brilliant. This is not hype, merely a statement of fact.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (February 23, 2013, 19:43 GMT)

@AKS286 on (February 23, 2013, 16:14 GMT), you need to get over that. Sure, Topley looks a talent and is a good bet to represent England at some point put, as I write this, he is 19 years and 2 days old and played 12 first class games. That's simply too young. Have you been following the "career" of Pat Cummins? You probably haven't seen much of him because he's been injured so much. Topley is a different bowler with a different body and a different action so that may not happen to him but it's just too big a risk to take. Besides that, Topley hasn't exactly been devastating on the current Lions tour and hasn't even played the last few games so may have picked up an injury even there. The simple fact is that he needs several more years to develop and, despite injuries, England have enough fast bowlers available that they don't need to rush him.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 23, 2013, 19:11 GMT)

@JG The only whingeing and hyping seems to be coming from the neutrals. The New Zealand fans themselves seem to be the model of correction and generosity, which bodes well for some civilised chat during the Tests. Some of the patronising comments about New Zealand from the neutrals are a bit disappointing. England seem to be one of the few sides these days willing to give them a full tour, which is hardly going to help maintain standards outside the big three or four teams. On to the Tests. England need a convincing win because South Africa are just sailing away in the Test rankings and anything less will be taken by Australia as a sign of vulnerability.

Posted by hhillbumper on (February 23, 2013, 18:49 GMT)

it was a good bowling display but lets not overhype it.This attack has potential but needs to put the effort in everyday and beat all the teams.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 23, 2013, 18:25 GMT)

@Tlotoxl on (February 23, 2013, 16:59 GMT) Sorry but apart from one guy booing about the Taylor dismissal , I don't see any NZ fans whingeing about anything else but not being good enough. One guy mentions a few absentees but to me doesn't come across as a bitter type who is saying Eng only won because ....

Re the other , yeah it's ridiculous. The next stage is we'll be getting people commenting on players performances without even knowing what the scores are

Posted by JG2704 on (February 23, 2013, 18:25 GMT)

@Harmony111 - So basically you can judge how well a bowler bowls in an innings just by his figures? Well done. Also , I don't recall anyone with the initials GG playing for either side.

@dariuscorny on (February 23, 2013, 8:49 GMT) Yes, but what has the author said which actually hypes the team now?

Posted by dariuscorny on (February 23, 2013, 17:44 GMT)

@ozzipom not sure about Finn ,Anderson taking Eng to top,but fans like u can surely take Eng to top by overhyping their performance

Posted by Mitch1066 on (February 23, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

Well played England . Also thanks for challenge. New Zealand . It is always good when it contest not that I'm having dig at any other country just stating it good to have good game :). Bring on ashes I think be challenge but England hopefully come out on top again maybe be more even with bowling but out middle order better then aussies

Posted by subbass on (February 23, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

Are people mad ? The headline is more about Finnys OPENING spell where he was unplayable and he was still bowling to the likes of Taylor and Williamson who are seen as good players. All in all, on that ground, to have your first 6 overs go for only 5 or 6 runs is pretty much perfection. And it was only one over when McCullum was firing where he went for a few. In fact it was over HALF the 27 runs in that ONE over.And on a ground that size McCullum could do that to any bowler in the world including Steyn.

Posted by Tlotoxl on (February 23, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

Some of the comments on here are laughable, from the NZ fans saying the NZ team was were not at full strength... England had one player not playing who probably would make team, you probably haven't heard of him, his name is Kevin Pietersen, he is meant to be pretty good...

As for the guy claiming that just 3 wickets makes it nothing special look how easily England batted, after 18 overs of the NZ innings they were 18/3. England were 50/1, after 20 overs the difference was even more marked, 35/3 & 80/1, England's batting performance shows how easy the pitch was and how small the ground was and therefore how remarkable the performance of JA and SF was.

Posted by bobmartin on (February 23, 2013, 16:33 GMT)

Posted by RandyOZ on (February 23, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

" the future is very bleak for England, so theyd better enjoy beating these minnows while they still can." Thank you RandyOZ.. I really don't where we would be without your insightful, knowledgeable and incredible grasp of all aspects of England cricket. Have you put your money where your mouth is for the forthcoming Ashes series..If not... why not ? Of course I won't hold my breath for an answer to that one...

Posted by AKS286 on (February 23, 2013, 16:14 GMT)

Now i want TOPLEY to be a third pace bowler joining Jimmy, Finn, Topley.

Posted by ozzipom on (February 23, 2013, 16:11 GMT)

I have to say that, for all the time I have seen England play ODI cricket, I have not seena better spell of bowling by anyone than the masterclass provided by Jimmy and Finn today. They made arguably one of the biggest batting paradises in world cricket look like the WACA. If they keep bowling like this, then we are massive favourites not only for the Champions Trophy, but for the next World Cup. So far this tour has shown that when we have tried, New Zealand cannot live with us. Surely, this is the beginning of something special for England. And also, to all these bitter Indian fans out there looking with jealousy, u were very lucky to have won 3-2 in our series. That after the rollicking we gave you in the test series. So concentrate on your own decline

Posted by Trickstar on (February 23, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

@Harmony111 You can protest as much as you like but this comment you made earlier sums you up 'We had heard JA had proven himself in SC as a great bowler cos he bowled some good balls in one test match,' you might want to go look at his stats before coming out with such bizarre things because you're showing yourself up big time. Anderson has taken 30 wickets @ 26 in Asia the past coupe of years & you must have missed his bowling in Sri Lanka where he averaged 21 bowling excellent, or his series in the UAE where he averaged 27 again bowling very well and he didn't just bowl well once in India he bowled well in the last game too where he got 4 wickets in the only inning he needed to bowl in and averaged 30 for the series, on pitches that offered nothing for the quicks. Like I said this sums up everything about you, ill informed and looking to wind people up.

Posted by RandyOZ on (February 23, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

With the U19s getting smashed in South Africa and the Lions getting crushed in Australia, the future is very bleak for England, so theyd better enjoy beating these minnows while they still can.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 23, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

Agreed @landl. England know what he can do. In this series he has been at his destructive best although I get the impression that it has been very much an oasis of runs in the middle of several years of desert. Maybe the Black Caps fans can comment on this. New Zealand always seem to give us trouble hence winning both the T20 and ODIs *is* satisfying. I have always admired how they have achieved a lot with very limited resources.

Posted by landl47 on (February 23, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

There was a lot to like about England in this game. Finn and Anderson put in another great opening spell. I really like Finn's shorter run-up. It means he is accelerating all the way to the wicket and standing up taller when he delivers. That not only lessens his tendency to hit the bowler's wicket, but improves his control and his lift off the pitch while taking little off his pace. NZ fans will remember a bowler who did something similar- Richard Hadlee.

In this game Broad and Woakes bowled much better, good lines and lenghts and enough movement to cause problems. Woakes spell was one of the best I've seen from him, averaging about 136kph and with few bad balls. Swann's still not quite in the groove, but he's getting there.

Batting was, with the exception of Buttler, efficient and suited to the purpose. Morgan hit well after Cook, Bell and Trott had put down a good foundation. Root continues to show admirable temperament. Finally, England fielded brilliantly. Good work.

Posted by landl47 on (February 23, 2013, 14:09 GMT)

Before saying anything about England, I want to congratulate Brendon McCullum. I don't think I've ever seen three consecutive innings where a batsman hit so hard and cleanly, except maybe Dhoni at his best. Without McCullum, this series would have been a complete walkover for England. I don't agree with those who say he should come in earlier; look at his record and you'll see that he does his best work coming in when the shine is off the ball. If he opens or comes in #3 my guess is that he will not play nearly as well as he did in this series.

NZ always fights hard, but with the exception of one innings each from Williamson and Taylor they were outclassed in this series. Losing a couple of players to injury didn't help, either. So well done McCullum, it was wonderful stuff to watch.

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 13:37 GMT)

worse game i've ever been to. auckland is the biggest venue in nz and the quality of nz play was negative and wholly disappointing. if it was a movie i would of asked for my money back. come on Black caps. you were clueless today, can you have a plan a and b for the next game I go too. or i'm never coming again.

Posted by Maxyboy_123 on (February 23, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

@gsingh7 You either don't know what the word scraped means or you didn't watch the games. I suspect the later. It amazes me that you aren't more preoccupied with your own team, rather than dragging up past results. Move on. Everybody else has.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (February 23, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

Hit n giggles finally over. Now the real cricket starts. I'm assuming Compton keeps his place and Root is the new #6 for now (Eng still haven't found their #6 since Flintoff retired). Should Compton fail I would guess Root gets a shot to open in the return series and Eng will be searching for a new #6 before the Ashes. 3rd seamer is also an issue or is Broad the choice for now? Anyway can't wait for the tests to start. Meanwhile...I'd like nothing more than a dull draw in the first Aus-India test so I can sit back and watch the fans from both sides go at each other...LOL

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 23, 2013, 12:59 GMT)

@jb633 This isn't really the place to comment on it but, yes, it's turning into a good scrap in India. Could go either way. I'm looking forward to the Tests and am hoping for a good result for England. Anything less than 2-0 will be poor.

Posted by gsingh7 on (February 23, 2013, 12:50 GMT)

england scraped a 2-1 win after getting hammered in india falling behind 3-1 before winning dead rubber, england cud not score 160 on 2 occasions on road like rank turners, now they think they are world beaters although ironically they have 0 wc , ever bottom team wi have 2 wc. hope nz bounce back and win test series.

Posted by dabhand on (February 23, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

A good result for England but I've got to agree the hype regarding Finn's was just about as accurate and meaningful as any of RandyOz's predictions. I believe there is hope for NZ as they are 3-3 over the last two series so not too far off the pace.

Posted by andrew27994 on (February 23, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

Though Finn was the best bowler in the match, I think the real hero was Swann who got rid of B Mac who was threatening to take the game away from England single-handedly...lol

But it's a good team performance from England. Nice to see Morgan playing a blinder at the end and Root doing no harm whatsoever to his reputation.

The 3 men who seem to be more comfortable in international cricket more than domestic cricket at the moment are Joe Root, Kieran Powell and Johnson Charles.

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (February 23, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

Let's just put this in context for people. England have not won an ODI series in New Zealand since 1992. It's the same sort of hex that India had over England in Tests. It's the sort of sequence that any side is happy to end as it harps back to some rather unhappy times. On rankings, or course, the result was expected and 2-1 is actually a rankings disaster for England (the par score was 3-0). However, what do the people complaining about this win expect? The result was hugely convincing even taking into account that fall of 3 wickets when the match was already over as a contest. Steve Finn and Stuart Broad are coming back into some sort of form, Chris Woakes has done OK, although I wish that he'd had a chance to bat too and Jimmy Anderson is doing what he was expected to do. Quiet satisfaction of a job done should be the order of the day.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 23, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

Well played McCullum again. Good stuff from England; Broad and Morgan delivered when it counted, and that's the main thing. I'll stop the Broad-bashing now, even if his wicket of Taylor was somewhat controversial...

Posted by jackiethepen on (February 23, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Wow. Enough sour grapes to fill a vineyard from some posters. This was mesmerising bowling and fielding to match. I really think when England are exceptional in the field, pouncing on every ball, it deserves to be praised in a report. Slopping fielding can undo good bowling. But the opposite happened. The fielders were galvanished. Anderson's great catch on the boundary showed the class. The batsmen weren't required to do much and lack of pressure can lead to batsmen taking more risks. But all to the good, because there was freedom to experiment and to improve SRs. It was always going to be a canter.

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

who cook, i knew he wou;d play a superb innings.

Posted by bumsonseats on (February 23, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

i find it annoying when england loose wickets as the result nears. its an ok win as all wins are good. NZ tried their best but we did it against the aussies last year were we should be winning by only 2/3 wickets down. a small point but never the less we want to win big

Posted by Akshita29 on (February 23, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

Good series Win for England . Finn is a genuinely good fast bowler. He showed his talent in India by always taking few early wickets with the new ball (Indian pitches are batting paradise and nothing wrong with occasionaliy going for some runs). If Pattinson and even Cummins can be fit for Ashes it would be a mouth watering prospect of seeing so many high quality genuine quick bowlers in the same series . Newzealand on the other hand needs some solid batsman up the order. And Maccullam have been awesome coming low down the order . And have to add I missed Kp so let the test series begin . Unfortunately no tv channel is telecasting the matches in india . Cricinfo plz publish.

Posted by dariuscorny on (February 23, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

@Valavan what u will say if Ashwin claims plenty of wickets in SL,UAE.i assume u will say taking wickits in familiar conditions is not extraordinary.u simply overlooked the fact that Finn took wickets in conditions which are parallel to Eng conditions(and yes he took mere 3 wickets,out of 3 2 were tailenders).u guys hv contrasting yardsticks for other players.....

Posted by dariuscorny on (February 23, 2013, 10:14 GMT)

@ABC how funny it is u call them bitter who dont hv glamourous words to praise ur stars.going by that scale Ravindra Jadeja ripped through ur line up on bating wicket,then it means Jadeja is something special.and tell me why it always happens when an English bowler takes wickets the pitch automatically becomes batsmen friendly and when ur batsmen make runs pitches become venomonous.but not a word of praise comes when other team performs.i never claimed Eng media said this and that ,which made u so furious.i believe u r not that much naive,if u are, then going by the history of Eng media,they hv done this it in the past several times,u must be aware of that....

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 10:12 GMT)

Really proud of England's attitude and looking forward to carrying these performances into the test arena fantastic effort from brilliant team very happy to be an England supporter

Posted by Valavan on (February 23, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

@Harmony111, Finn took wickets away from home. Ashwin took wickets at his home ground, where he played as he grew up, everyone saw ashwin's greatness in recent home tests against england and then against Oz in Oz. Fact is Ashwin need to play in chennai to get 7 wickets. @maddy20, then why you always play NZ in India in a space of 2 years. both of you, you got to play 15 away tests starting autumn 2013. lets see how your team fair up. for now watch India Vs Aus, ask indian pacers to learn from Patto, how to get wickets in unfriendly conditions. cricinfo please publish

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 9:58 GMT)

Finn bowled well, England bowled well and have deservedly won the two Mickey Mouse series.

Now for the only type of type of cricket that counts.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 23, 2013, 9:18 GMT)

As usual the majority of Eng fans here have to shift their reasoning after I've exposed just how hollow their original one was. Now these ppl are telling me that Finn did bowl very well as 10-3-27 would show. Oh my conceited brothers, 3/27 is def good bowling but it hardly deserves that sort of headline at the mid innings break. Somehow I've found that some ppl here want to talk about their players not in terms of stats but in terms of flow and feel only. Fair enough, but they don't do the same for other players. If Finn's 3/27 is a devastating spell or if JA becomes proven in subcontinental wickets by bowling well in ONE test or by bowling a few good balls then how am I wrong in saying that Raina is a great test batsman cos he hits very crisp cover drives? They have no answer to that. Neither is it that Finn took 3 top order wickets. One came of a bad ball, one was a tail ender and one was that of a 21 ODI old player, YET for Eng fans this is proof. Proof of Hype & Overhype?

Posted by ADB1 on (February 23, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

@dariuscorny: "But i can see Eng media will declare their oneday side one of the legendry side to hv ever played the game of cricket."

Tell you what, why don't you back up that comment with a quote from an article, and the paper it came from, after this game. If you can't, I'll assume you are just another bitter Indian fan taking rubbish.

Posted by pom_don on (February 23, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

@RandyOz the inevitable slide continues & seems to be gathering pace.....I should get a good stock of the amber nectar in for the Ashes series if I were you.......LOL! A professional performance by the guys here & looking forward to the tests, Finn seems to have got his game really sussed with the new run up & Jimmy showing real class too. Nice to see BC & his guys gracious in defeat......not like some countries!

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 8:58 GMT)

I don't know why everyone is getting stuck into Finn all of a sudden. He doesn't throw a wobbly like Broad, he very rarely chirps like Anderson, he's good in the field, good hands and a very good bowler. Ian Botham recalls knocking the stumps over loads of times in his career. Whats the problem with Finn? The guy is 6 foot 9 so not every part of him is going to be amazingly co ordinated. Look at Morne Morkel. Haven't seen a less text book action for a while. Still a damn fine bowler. Finn is class and Englands second best seam bowler. The media should leave him be and let him get on with his job. Funnily enough, because of that, he bowls better. Hint hint media people

Posted by Min2000 on (February 23, 2013, 8:57 GMT)

Without Guptill, McCullum (or Ryder) at the top of the order New Zealand let Anderson and Finn dominate early on and we never recovered. In ODIs we need someone at the top of the order that is going to put pressure back on the bowlers.

Sadly Rutherford doesn't look ready for this level yet.

Posted by dariuscorny on (February 23, 2013, 8:49 GMT)

well said @Harmony111,its so funny to see English overhyping their team specially in odis,NZ has defeated SA(by no means SA are a formidable oneday outfit),but yes good job by Eng thats what i wud say.But i can see Eng media will declare their oneday side one of the legendry side to hv ever played the game of cricket

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 8:48 GMT)

Figures do not do justice for the opening spell for Finn and Anderson simply brilliant deserves all the plaudits and more

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (February 23, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

Yet Another Clinical and Professional Win form England. @ trav29: Good point. You can tell who around here has expereince playing the game, and who just looks at stats: Harmony111: Try watching cricket, it's a whole other ball game to just watching a scroreboard tick over, you might enjoy it ;)

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (February 23, 2013, 8:37 GMT)

@Harmony111, I don't know what games you actually watch, you claim not to have seen this latest one for example, but you really should check out England versus India on DVD and the last two years of English bowlers like JA stutting their stuff if you wish to discover a little of what's been happening in that part of the cricket world for the last 2 years. Sounds like the bestings England have given India in that time have taken you somewhat by surprise. :)

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 23, 2013, 8:36 GMT)

@Shan156: Sorry Shan but hardly anyone of us thinks of Ishant as a great bowler or even a good bowler. If anything, we see him as a fast bowler with the brain of a dead lizard who can not bowl fast, can't swing the ball, can't seam the ball, can't get his line and length right and can't bat and can't field. If there is one bowler who has proven to be a big disappointment and now a butt of all jokes then it is Ishant. I never heard anyone of us saying he will do this and that. I myself have been very critical of him and think he needs a few lessons in basic tactics before any lessons in fast bowling. A no of times I have said that the maturity and lethality of bowlers like Starc, Cummins, Patt, Finn etc surprises me cos they seemed tuned in the moment they came in and we have Ishant struggling to know what to do even after 5 years of Intl Cricket.

As for Bhajji, he is down at the moment and may never play again but in rhythm, he can take 4 wickets in no time. Rem Durban 2010?

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (February 23, 2013, 8:35 GMT)

@Harmony111, what the author wrote is no difference to the hype that any 'non-neutral' journalist writes, and is no differnt to the hype that other writers in other countires give to thier players, but 3/27 off 10 overs in an ODI are very good figures.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 23, 2013, 8:34 GMT)

Some silly comms from usual suspects

May I just add that while this was depleted NZ batting line up this was the ground where England scored 214 in a T20 international and basically - according to one of the posters here (and plenty others) - was no big deal whatsoever. So surely if compiling 214 (TWENTY overs)on the same pitch is no big deal,then restricting a side to 185(FIFTY overs) is a big deal?

On a pitch where they reckoned 300 would be par score 185 is a pretty good score to reduce a side to and to go at 2.7 rpo(whether you take zero wickets or all 10) surely indicates a decent spell of bowling - No?No one's saying this means Finn is the best thing since sliced bread or anything - just that it was a decent spell of bowling It's a shame NZ were missing Guptil and a few others but this was a side who had just won an ODI series in SA.Credit to BM and NZ for not giving up the fight and the grace/humility shown in defeat

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (February 23, 2013, 8:33 GMT)

Another devestatingly good performance from England, Finn was bowling at 150 kph and was lethal, his opening spell reminded me of him against the Aussies when England Whitewashed them last year. Top speed, length and variation. As expected the usual suspects are absent from these discussion boards today. How predictable.

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (February 23, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

@maddy20 & @Harmony111 - you guys didn't see the game did you? Laughable - your team doesn't even have a fast bowler. So when you make a comment here it just look vaguely ridiculous. As for you @"Harmony" - you as usual are just stirring up trouble aand drawing attention to yourself and your opinion. DO you go to West Indies or Bangladesh forum and make such comment"..? Serious question. This here is called winning a series away from home. You guys should try it sometime....

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 7:56 GMT)

Ryder, Guptil, Williamson, Taylor, McCullum, Watling, Franklin, McCullum, Wagner, Boult, Southee. If fit, could thee be a better mix?

Posted by trav29 on (February 23, 2013, 7:47 GMT)

@harmony commenting on how well someone bowled when you have admitted you didn't see the game and based your comments on looking at a scorecard makes no sense whatsoever. finn's first 7 overs went for 10 runs on a pitch that was doing nothing and a ground where people were predicting a score of 300+. that sounds pretty unplayable to me.

Posted by trav29 on (February 23, 2013, 7:27 GMT)

@brendon W how was it ridiculous? the onfield umpire gave it out. taylor himself wasn't sure about it given he didn't refer it immediately. there was clearly a noise which was proven by snicko to be a fine nick. correct decision was made.

Posted by Harmony111 on (February 23, 2013, 7:13 GMT)

Oh My God. This is the height of hype. I had no idea about the score of NZ in this match, clicked on this article's link, saw the headline ... "Unplayable Finn sees NZ shot out for 185"...

I immediately thought Finn must have bowled some devastating spell and must have taken something like 6/24 or at least a 5 for. What do I see? Finn took 3/27. That's it. Not even a 4 for. A look at the NZ score card shows that the 3 wickets Finn took were that of a tailender and a debutant and even the 3rd wicket was that of a greener horn in ODIs.

We had heard JA had proven himself in SC as a great bowler cos he bowled some good balls in one test match. Now we are hearing Finn is unplayable cos he has taken 3 wickets. If one goes by that logic then Suresh Raina is a GREAT Test batsman cos he scores some awesome cover drives. Also, Ashwin must be the greatest bowler alive today cos if Finn is unplayable for taking 3 wickets then Ashwin took 7 wickets.

I like JA and Finn but not for these hypes..

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 7:07 GMT)

Ridiculous decision on Taylor. If you are just going to ignore the technology then why even have it?

Posted by Shan156 on (February 23, 2013, 5:46 GMT)

@maddy20, it is clear that you didn't watch the game. Except for his last over in which McCullum went berserk, Finn was largely unplayable. And, this in batsmen friendly conditions. At least this article is just praising his efforts in one innings.You guys hype up a fast bowler with an average of 39 after 46 tests (yes, I am talking about Ishant Sharma and, yes, we know he is 'unlucky') as the best thing since sliced bread. And, let's not even talk about how highly you speak of some so-called bowlers who have probably played a few Ranji trophy games. And the latest, "Harbhajan is a great". lol. The guy averages nearly 33. To put that in perspective, Murali averaged in the low 20s, Warne in the mid 20s and Kumble in the late 20s. If Harbhajan is a great, then what are these guys? Must be Gods.

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 5:39 GMT)

As a kiwi im bitterly disappointed in the batting effort. Watling and Rutherford are NOT the answer at the top of the order. Those two have cost us good starts. McCullum is awesome where he is at 6 or 7 we just need some decent openers rather than those snails. What the hell has Grant Elliot done either ?? Nothing with the bat , nothing with the ball. Time to drop Rutherford and Watling.Going at 2.0 runs an over is not acceptable. They seem to have technical difficulties

Posted by   on (February 23, 2013, 5:30 GMT)

Finn deserves all the credit for his performance today. There is no need to put down his performance by saying it was against the no. 8 side in the world. Overall, a good bowling performance by England.

Posted by kiwicricketnut on (February 23, 2013, 5:22 GMT)

looks like we have found two more players who can't face the new ball in watling and rutherford. you look at b.mccullums numbers since moving back to the middle order and logic suggests keep him there but when you look at our starts since it paints an ugly picture. with no ryder or guptil we actually need mccullum at the top untill those boys are back, we have alot of middle order players but no openers. if rutherford fails in the warm up game before the tests can we really risk taking him into the tests? the thought of fulton also doesn't fill me with any confidence, its looking a little sick black cap fans

Posted by maddy20 on (February 23, 2013, 5:06 GMT)

All this hyping up for a 3-wicket spell against a side ranked No.8 in ODI cricket. Bravo Finn!

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