New Zealand v India, 1st ODI, Napier

India determined to attack short balls

Abhishek Purohit in Napier

January 19, 2014

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'Our death-bowling was a positive' - Dhoni

New Zealand used the short ball liberally at McLean Park. India tried to counter by pulling and hooking liberally too, but lost four of their top six batsmen. Brendon McCullum, the New Zealand captain, was pleased his team had executed what they had planned. His counterpart MS Dhoni said India were not going to stop pulling, but needed to be more judicious while using the shot.

"One of the options is to not to play the shot but our strength has been to play the shot," Dhoni said after India lost by 24 runs. "At times we will get caught because it is a difficult shot to play. But most of our batsmen like to play it since this is our strength. Especially overseas, we need to play and master it because you cannot have bowlers bowl short to you always. With two bouncers allowed you cannot leave all; (there are) nearly 80 balls with four fast bowlers out of 50 overs. We can always pick and choose when to play and when not to play."

One of the batsmen who fell to a bouncer, not for the first time, was the No. 5 Suresh Raina, and with the new No. 4 Ajinkya Rahane falling to an outstanding catch, India's poor returns from crucial middle-order positions continued. "So far we have not got consistent runs from the No. 4 and 5 batsmen and even if you don't look at big hundreds or fifties, even then those slots are crucial.

"If the opposition has batted well, they will score 280-300. And then if you lose early wickets most of the time we are doing catching up, trying to build a partnership but then the run-rate goes up, so lower-middle order comes under pressure. Yes, we are missing consistency but if they counterattack they will come good soon in the future matches."

Shikhar Dhawan was caught for 32, New Zealand v India, 1st ODI, Napier, January 19, 2014
Shikhar Dhawan was one of four top-order batsmen dismissed by the short ball © Getty Images

Despite being 129 for 4, Virat Kohli and Dhoni had taken India to a position of strength, when Mitchell McClenaghan dismissed them and also claimed Ravindra Jadeja. Dhoni said that was when the game was lost. "Three wickets - me, Jaddu and Virat - we really got out in quick succession. That was when we needed a partnership. To go a bit further we could have targeted the spinner with one of their bowlers (Adam Milne) getting injured. We had extra two overs. But sadly the batsmen thought the other way around. I think they will learn out of this. It is very important that until the game doesn't get over we really should not think it is over."

McClenaghan took 4 for 68, again showing his ability to consistently pick up wickets. "He does keep producing the results," McCullum said. "I think we bounced out four guys today which is great. That's the plan we wanted to implement and Mitch was a big part of that as well.

"He does keep producing at key times for us and I can't stress the importance of it. He is going to travel at times, but as long as he is trying to perform in the manner that we have picked him for, then we are happy and he has to ride that wave because he has the handy knack of picking up wickets at key times."

The century partnership between Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor, which set the base for the hitters in the lower-middle order, also played a major part in New Zealand's success. They were able to take runs at will off India's spinners, who went for 1 for 113 in 19 overs. McCullum had spoken of New Zealand's ambition of targeting the spinners in unhelpful conditions and was glad another plan had worked.

"I thought we played the spinners well," McCullum said. "It doesn't tend to turn a great deal here in Napier, so it could obviously be a different challenge from here to Hamilton. The two guys that we had at the crease against spinners are two of our best batters against spin bowling and their ability to put together a partnership through rotating the strike and picking up the odd boundary was key in allowing us that platform we wanted."

Dhoni acknowledged the spinners would not be as effective here as they are at home, but India are unlikely to reduce their reliance on them. "Their roles will change when they play outside the subcontinent. The home team will never make pitches that turn and they will have to keep varying their pace and length.

"Also, whenever we have played with four fast bowlers, two things happen. One the captain gets banned, two we lose. So they are not good stats and I want to play in this series. So it doesn't seem like an option, but I think the spinners bowled pretty well. They didn't get wickets but they were able to build some kind of pressure which I think is also important."

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Posted by ZYN7 on (January 22, 2014, 5:13 GMT)

To win test matches abroad,India need good bowling attack,to take 20 wickets!,

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 15:47 GMT)

Shame on Graham Smith who didn't push for win against pathetic Indian bowling in 1st test vs SA with 18 runs required of 5 overs with 3 wickets remaining.............Look how Pak with weak batting side still pushed for win requiring 300 in 59 overs at 5.5 SR.....................Misbah proved he is far superior match winner than Dravid as selfish Dravid got into much easier situations on numerous times yet he never pushed for wins - latest example was against WI in WI in 2011. Ind could easily win that series but for Dravid who preferred to boost his avg by remaining Not Out over team victory

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 13:48 GMT)

@eilsaky It looks like you have not watched Dhoni bat..see some videos.

Posted by eilsaky on (January 21, 2014, 8:21 GMT)

@Harshad What makes you think dhoni is a good hooker and puller. He is just playing to his limitations. He is not a good batsman he is just a smart batsman who knows his limitations well and just plays by it.

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 7:21 GMT)

I think India needs to have Pujara in ODIs , he can probably open the way Hashim Amla does . He may not be a big hitter but can still score run a ball and provide solidity to a team full of stroke players .He is technically equipped to handle fast bowling as well and mind the next world cup is in Aus & NZ .

I guess Dhoni does not want him in side as he is not a big hitter .Time to think captain cool, world cup not far away .

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 7:14 GMT)

New Zealand have bowled brilliantly at India's weakness against short ball . Unless the Indians don't counter attack or develop that skill for counter attack they will face more of short pitched stuff l .Case in example is Suresh Raina he keeps getting short pitch stuff because he is poor at playing .Dhawan although has been playing well but getting out while trying to pull.

Rohit will now realise he can't bask in the glory of 200 he struck . He needs to show he has the skill to open on responsive pitches and he needs to work on pull shot.

Dhoni it seems relies more on successful formula and chamatkar and is not willing to adjust team composition to changing conditions .If he plays 2 spinners he can't set defensive fields and hope he will get wickets . He seriously needs to dop Ishant who is a batsmen friendly bowler .He needs to get Aaron in who looked promising in few matches he played .

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 6:45 GMT)

it's better some of our Lankan fans go to rehabilitation centres get treatment for jealousy and come back just like how their " caliber " player needs a lesson on how to play a ham called cricket... now that PAK's mediocre batsmen have thrashed Lankan dismal bowlers for 300 runs in 60 overs on day 5 pitch, their frustration is even more... my advice to them is to go back to the rehabilitation centre.of Colombo, come back after you win a single teat match in either India or in aus... until them bye...

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 6:38 GMT)

@Slsling : Lankan team.caliber?? do they atleast??? yes a caliber.of not winning a test series.outside the flat tracks of Lanka since 2000. a caliber of loosing a test match conceding 300 runs in.just 60 overs against the.mediocre pak batting.... a caliber of allowing a team to chase 330+ score in.just 35 overs.... a caliber of not able to win a single test match in India and aus..... you are funny arent you....a batsmen with average.of 33 and strike rate of 70 playing 400 matches shows the caliber of Lankan team... letting mohmd hafeez ( who is as good as ashwin in batting) to score 3 a series shows Lankan caliber.... lol.. bowling no ball just to avoid batsman scoring century, wasting time waiting fir bad light to avoid losing... lol caliber is visible.... conceding 600 runs in a test match against bangla at your own back yard is caliber.... lol

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 6:27 GMT)

it's clear that he won't even think of going with four fast bowlers anywhere near...let's hope atleast one fast bowling department.... and I am guessing rahane will be replace ( which I feel bad about, he is not really got any chances to prove himself) .... we may see same bowling for entire series and even for the test series...

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (January 21, 2014, 6:07 GMT)

@SLslinga.LOL.A team who cannot ein even at home will be no:2!! dream on! Do you remember when ur team was in no:2 in ODIs and tests? Try to be a flat track bully at least!

Posted by ultimatewarrior on (January 21, 2014, 6:05 GMT)

###Dhoni said that was when the game was lost. "Three wickets - me, Jaddu and Virat### Dear MSD, please don't count Jaddu as a batter on fast pitches yet. Altogether I am a big fan of your fitness, playing capability and composure as a captain cool but I must admit you have the biggest heart of all time to give Lots & Lots of chances to Suresh Raina/Rohit Sharma/Ishant Sharma/Ravindra Jadeja & (just)Lots of chances to Vinay Kumar/Shikhar Dhawan/Ashwin/Dinesh Kartik/A Nehra/YK Pathan/M Vijay/(only odi)P Kumar/MM Patel. Also elongated struggling & aging careers of Harbhajan/Sehwag/Gambhir/Zaheer/Laxman/Dravid/Tendulkar when they had left behind their golden past. (He must not be alone to make all these selections though)....Ultimately Heat has been felt by A Rahane(now getting chances, at last), C Pujara(odi), Manoj Tiwari, Ishwar Pandey(test), A Mishra(odi), Badrinath(test), PP Ojha(odi/t20-most unlucky even after good IPL Record), SS Tiwary(odi), P Kumar(test)...still good luck to you.

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 5:54 GMT)

Dhoni's post-match analyses are superb. As good as those of any decent coach. But he doesn't have players with enough experience and consequently the skills, to take appropriate follow-up actions. Yes, they have the capabilities to develop the required skills. But haven't succeeded in that yet. It is all work-in-progress.

Analysis without action results in "analysis paralysis". That is what is happening now.

Posted by truecric_fan on (January 21, 2014, 5:42 GMT)

I expect India to bounce back in game 2. India is definitely the stronger team with massive strengths in batting, they are capable of setting or chasing 350+. Kohli, Shami, Dhawan, Dhoni are solid, Bhuvi, Rahane, Ishanth support well. The weak links are Jadeja, Ashwin, Raina and Rohit, it seems like they have full support from Board and Dhoni so their place is very secure regardless of performance. I guess we have to live with this fact.

Posted by know_ur_game on (January 21, 2014, 5:35 GMT)

Ishant will be worst ever bowler to represent a country for 50+ ODIs. Can't understand why selectors and captain are persisting with him. Ashwin is also a liability for some time now. As main spinner he can't take wickets or dry up runs. Also he is liability in the field and running between the wickets. Field your team according to the conditions, not to please the bosses. Dhoni must show some creative thinking. Rohit was done well as an opener during Aus series, when there was no second opener in the team. Now Rahane is there and he is more used to the opening position. Let him open the innings with Dhawan and let Rohit come at No.4, which is more suited position for him also. Give Aron a long rope in this tour, at least 25% of what given to Ishant and let Binny play in the position of Ashwin. You will find good results.

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 5:03 GMT)

india have lost another game on foreign soil.. but dhoni keeps on doing his "chamatkar" on foreign tours.. but he never takes any kind of responsibility. about his game plan and team selection .. and on his captaincy..wat can anybody do. at this point if dhoni got misunderstandings with kholi , what will dhoni do. can he target kholi like viru and gauthi.. he cant even think about it. damn lucky guy. his days are ending.. this is to mr ANDERSON. you buddy the future of nzl cricket.. be fit be focussed, dont let your confidence levels down.. now u r 23. you can play another 12 good years for ur nation. all nzl records are waiting for u to achieve. your hitting clean as crystal. timing the ball like gully cricket.. practice well and play well againest good oppositions like SA , ENG AND AUSSIE. u had that talent . try to come up the order, watch the videos of greatplayers like SACHIN, BRIAN, RICKY RAHUL, KALLIS, HOW THEY builds their innings on tough pitches againest tough bowlers.ATB.

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 4:11 GMT)

The problem in saying we will attack bouncers and short balls is serious because most of our players who played the shots were not in position to pull or hook.This is because they,except Dhoni, do not have the technique to catch the bowlers' action and see what is coming.They just realise only when the ball is near their throat and hence they cannot play pull or hook shots. It would be better to leave them alone till they have mastered their timing of playing the short ball. It is important for these players to understand that you can play the short ball well moving away from your crease and not necessarily play them like Sachin or Dhoni. Mostly the batsmen have not been moving their feet well while batting,as if they are frozen by the thought of a short ball coming their way and so they perish. They should do some running or jumping to flex their muscles into action before each game if they feel sluggish at the crease every time they go to bat.

Posted by Udendra on (January 21, 2014, 3:58 GMT)

I think after NZC director's comments on the ICC paper, they wouldn't probably bounce the Indians anymore.

Posted by bijuphilip on (January 21, 2014, 3:52 GMT)

very simple question? why pujara is not in the team ?dhoni wants to protect rohit and raina? why razool not to get to play even in zimbawe? he wants to protect jadeja and aswin sandeep patel has to show some boldness 1.gambir2.dhavan3.pujara.4kholi.5rahane6dhoni.7raina(as a bolwer)8binny9bkumar10shami11varunaron12ambati13razool14jadeja15pandey 16abisheknair

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 2:06 GMT)

Dhoni is just acting like a puppet for srinivasan and he is bringing the game to disrepute.All the retained CSK players namely jaddu,raina,ashwin will never be dropped from the side.If srinivasan has a son who just watches cricket,then he will be automatically selected for india.India needs a captain like ganguly who will not be partial towards anyone.As long as that does not happen,i am happy to see india losing to sides like NZ which has only 1/10th of population of chennai.In NZ,all the real talented guys gets chances but in india,only politicians like Dhoni survive.something should change.Otherwise people like Rayudu can only tour all over the world for free..

Posted by tabmughal on (January 21, 2014, 2:06 GMT)

Dhoni is been excellent lately in explaining how exactly india is losing every game. He got so many good reasons and analyses about the losses of matches abroad.

Posted by   on (January 21, 2014, 0:33 GMT)

Rohit Sharma, Ishant Sharma, and one of Ashwin or Jadeja has to be left out on overseas tours. As far as this series is concerned someone please for gods sake take out Ishant Sharma - categorically the worst bowler to have played so many games. Try Aaron or Pandey in place of him, and put Rahane as a top order batsman in place of rohit, and get ambati rayudu in the 4th spot.

The ideal team for forthcoming series imo is: Unmukt Chand, Dhawan, Kohli, Pujara, Gambhir, Dhoni, Rayudu, Ashwin, Bhuvanesh Kumar, Shami, and one of Aaron or Pandey or any other fast bowler. India has no shortage of quality players, why are we persisting with people like Ishant who dont have the talent or people like Jaddu who are not effective outside or out of form players like Raina?

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 23:47 GMT)

Indian batsmen should use discretion with short balls and it is just fine to duck and weave to get out of the way. They need not resort to a display of bravery with hook shots. NZ bowlers are nowhere as menacing as Steyn or Johnson while McCullum would like Indians to believe otherwise. Conditions in NZ might suit their bowlers more but they are not unplayable as the SA or Aussie bowlers.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 23:23 GMT)

To all those questioning Dhoni's selection of Raina and Jadeja I would like to point out that Dhoni, Raina and Jadeja where India's top scorers in the series against South Africa where the rest of the batting line up failed. Dhoni does not give preference to CSK team mates. How many were CSK players before they got selected. Raina was in the team in 2006 and Jadeja was playing for Rajasthan when he first got selected. Unlike what people think the CSK franchise tends to buy the best domestic players rather than blow their budget on expensive foreigners. Jadeja and Ashwin were instrumental for winning the champions trophy and yet you want to drop them now. This is where I like Dhoni as a captain. His strategy is simple. He picks the most talented guys and backs them till they perform. At the moment I would drop Ishant only as he has been loosing too many games. Let the rest remain at least until this series finishes before a judgement is passed.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 23:14 GMT)

I can see so many so many people have a short memory. People are asking to remove Dhawan, Rohit, Raina, Jadeja, Ashwin and Ishant from the team. I mean thats all most the whole team and some of these guys have been performing really well even last year. Raina has a had a dreadful year but people tend to forget how consistent he was a year ago when he has hit a rough patch. Rohit and Ashwin have been out of form for even less of a time. We do not need so many knee jerk reactions. The only person I would be dropping right know is Ishant who has not been performing for atleast two years and according to me was the main reason for india's loss. The rest can stay atleast for this series before making a judgement.

Posted by LAKingsFan on (January 20, 2014, 22:54 GMT)

India should find replacements for Rohit and Raina. I don't know how long these two will be given chances in spite of failure after failure. Bringing back Gambhir wouldn't have been a bad idea. He opens and replaces Sharma. I think someone, even, someone like Dinesh Karthik will not be a bad idea to replace EVER struggling Raina.

Posted by azurecharms on (January 20, 2014, 22:10 GMT)

NZ will win 2-0 if they make hard bouncy tracks. India's over rated and inflated batting power house of Dhiwan, Kohli, Sharma etc wont survive.

Posted by sixesandfours on (January 20, 2014, 21:21 GMT)

Why Ashwin in the squad? Ashwin bit useful fielder bowler and make other batsman out? Why india not giving chances to ishwar, Stuart Binny and Varun? When team will go improve? Can captaincy and selectors credibility stake?

Posted by AnoMaLy on (January 20, 2014, 20:23 GMT)

Its really not that hard just bring Pujara in and one out of Binny/Aaron/Yadav for Ishant. Even a school kid can tell Dhoni & the selectors where he is going wrong. Dhoni needs to get over himself and start thinking about the team. This is Team Ind and not CSK!

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 20:05 GMT)

& Then Indians blame home tracks to be too flat, rules to be too batting friendly .............when Indian bowling gets same 300+ treatment everywhere in all kinds of tracks...............No wonder actually even Indian tracks r supportive & Pak just showed that on last tour of India with 200 below totals in all 3 ODI matches

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 19:57 GMT)

demand of high SR every match vs all sides leave Indian batters with no option but to attack evry ball against strong bowling & fielding sides.......For all those supporters of Pujara in ODI....Indian batting is only failing bcz of demand of too high SR - Every inn Ind has to produce 300.......... Pujara can only harm SR not boost it................Besides another selfish inn by overrated Kohli just like Tendulkar??????????????.......................Bhi bowlers r also supposed to do their job..........feel pity for great Indian batsmen whose great inn go in vain due to poor indian bowling leaking 300 + every time & r declared selfish

Posted by Nampally on (January 20, 2014, 19:27 GMT)

By all means attack the Short balls but do not lose your wkt. in the act! As the saying goes" Discretion is better part of the Valour". Four batsmen losing their wkt. to short balls begs the question whether these batsmen are capable of hitting the short balls. Some short balls can be hit safely. So selective/safe hitting is good.Alternative is to duck & let it go. Remember, each bouncer takes twice as much energy to bowl. So you are tiring the fast bowlers who bounce the ball fruitlessly at the batsmen. India did this very effectively against Steyn & Morkel in Tests. Even if 80 bouncers are bowled by 4 fast bowlers & they are left without a response, the other balls from the same bowlers will be less effective. Use them to score. Raina has got out many times hitting at harmless bouncers. Watch Pujara in his judicious choice of selective hitting & follow.Kohli also does a great job. A bumper is not like waving red flag in front of raging bull. So be wiser than a BULL!

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 19:02 GMT)

Does MSD plays for himself or India??? if he is representing India, he needs to be open and fair to his choices. When players like Rohit, Raina, Ashwin and Ishant get unlimited chances to play for years what happens to the rest of the players that are selected based on their domestic performances don't they deserve a chance?? or he wants them to retire without even being given a chance play for the nation?? Just like others in the team who have shown repeated failures and yet in the playing XI just because of Dhoni's preference to certain players, making others suffer is just not fair. Hey Dhoni wake up play for india even you would'nt have been in the indian team if were not given a chance, everyone starts inexperienced when they play their first match nobody is a born experienced player. Anyway the experienced players in the team are not playing and the team is losing, so what's wrong in giving other's a chance are you scared Dhoni if someone takes over your job!!! Shame on you

Posted by PAVARATTYJOSHY on (January 20, 2014, 18:42 GMT)

it is no surprise, this team only for dhony. his personal relationship will destroy indian cricket. in india , thi team is enough. in abroad is a diffrent story.there need quality.raina,jadeja,rohit,aswin,ishant are the waste in abroad.they are the super stars only in in the ipl and subcontinental pitches.dhony throws vvs,ganguly,dravid,yuvi,gambir,sewag in diffrent times.without their help, specialy vvs,india never got victories in abroad.but dhony donot let him a decent rettirement.oooh very very sad.surely this team never win a siries in western pitches.i just wonder in exclution of yuvi.jadeja is better than him?

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 18:22 GMT)

Dhoni is back at his old game of keeping Aaron out. he did it in england and then gave hime a break in India on flat tracks. now on lively wickets he gives a chance to his cronies instead of Aaron, he has done the same to yadav. and then he complains we dont have fast bowlers.

Posted by laddum on (January 20, 2014, 17:15 GMT)

Raina and Rohit should have been long gone. They should rather be included in women's cricket as the ball does not come fast and they don't pitch short ball on chest. After all this years in international cricket they can't play fast and short. Because of Rohit and Raina Indian team got rightly labeled Lions at home and Lambs outside.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 20, 2014, 16:44 GMT)

@Posted by laddum, Manoj Tiwari has been injured since ages. That guy gets injured more often than a sugar candy. He has been on injured list more than he has played. I think Pujara should open instead of Rohit Sharma. Rohit should play only IPL.

Posted by Nampally on (January 20, 2014, 16:35 GMT)

Dhoni has come out with a "New" excuse for going in with 3 fast bowlers at Napier instead of 4. This ODI Team needs a real shake up in Names, Roles & batting order. Firstly the batting order. Indian batting has become just One-Man" - Kohli, show. Where are others? Secondly Dhoni is a captain good at giving excuses & justification for his blunders in XI selection. He will not Change. Replace Dhoni as Captain,with Kohli. Replace Rohit with Ashwin to open the innings with Dhawan, He has the right technique & was an opener. Bring in Pujara at #4 to support Kohli, as the second reliable bat. Only 2 out of 3 - Rohit, Raina & Jadeja should be in XI. Replace Ishant with Aaron. Shami, Aaron & Kumar are the 3 seamers. Last but not the least let everybody get a proper lecture on their responsibilities & Roles in the XI. They contribute or get dropped. There have been too many passengers in XI- Rohit, Jadeja, Ashwin & Ishant- being the most notable in ODI#1.What is wrong with these Guys?

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 16:26 GMT)

Inclusion of Ishant Sharms is still a enigma..Ashok Dinda looks to be a much better option who for some reasons is not able to make the cut..Yuvraj is dropped by citing his poor form since australia series , but what raina did to be included in the team.?Rayudu still remains a passenger..Stuart Binny should be included in playing XI at the expense of Jaddu who is there just for fielding..Present team has the talent to win the WC 2015 but for that to be realistic MSD should be bit more flexible with his XI..That is where Clarke's is best at, he gives chance to all players included in squad..My WC 2015 Squad would be : Rohit,Shikhar,Virat,Ajinkya,Raina,Yuvraj,Rayudu,Binny,Jaddu,Ashwin,MSD,Shami,Bhuvi,Ishant/Dinda,VinayKumar/Varon....

Posted by laddum on (January 20, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

It is well know fact that Dhoni plays favouritism. We have watched so many reports on Rohit Sharma's talent but after 7 years there is one thing for sure he cannot convert talent into performance. He is a good domestic batsman and it's painfull to watch how the bowlers treat him nowaday. Raina cannot play short ball and has trouble with pace bowlers. He does not diserve a spot in India A or India B team and with Ishant you are expecting miracles. His pace is gone and he can't swing the ball. Dhoni has a batsman in his pocket but he does not like him (Maybe his looks) ****Manoj Tiwari**** The man hits century and he gets benched. Go Firgure. After looking at Raina and Rohit you really feel like Lions at home and Lambs outside.

Posted by Temuzin on (January 20, 2014, 15:33 GMT)

Posted by BigINDFan on (January 20, 2014, 14:59 GMT) Change 1 - Raina is not a good No.4. Either bring Jadeja to that role and give him chances to make it his position or Dhoni should come in that position. I totally agree with you. Its high time jadeja should come at number 4. All his runs in first class cricket have come at that position or higher. And Ishant should be shown the door. I will bring Pujara as an opener to replace Rohit Sharma. Rohit Sharma and ishant Sharma should not be the part of world cup campaign. They are extremely fluke and contribute only once in 20 matches.

Posted by BigINDFan on (January 20, 2014, 14:59 GMT)

Change 1 - Raina is not a good No.4. Either bring Jadeja to that role and give him chances to make it his position or Dhoni should come in that position. Change 2 - It is not acceptable to say we lose or cannot complete overs on time with 4 fast bowlers. Remove Ishant and bring in I Pandey. Bring Stuart Binny in for Raina. Change 3 - Ashwin's role should be defined - is he a strike bowler or tries to contain. Either way his batting should be groomed since he can play the short ball really well. He should come up the order. If not he should be out of the team.

My choice for XI for remainder of the series - Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja, Rahane, Dhoni, Binny, Ashwin, Shami, Pandey, Bhuvi

Posted by CrickerLove on (January 20, 2014, 14:49 GMT)

How many more chances do we have to give rohit sharma for consistency ehere we have zol from under 19 scoring consistently.

Posted by CrickerLove on (January 20, 2014, 14:46 GMT)

Without kohli our current Indian team will not even cross 100 abroad. Such a pathrtic middle order. I dont understand why jadeja is not feeling his responsibility as batsmen. Ashwin even bats better than jadeja.. waste of investment on Jadeja...and in bowling ishant is worse in the world even bangladesh bowlers bows faster than him...

Posted by getgopi on (January 20, 2014, 14:30 GMT)

@BRUTALANALYST Probably because of Raina's body language. I like his attacking style and clean hitting but he tends to cower in the crease like he did in the first ODI. Still he scored 18 pretty quickly. Dhawan's body language is more assured. Rohit seems to be somewhere in-between. Kohli has shown that it is possible to do what Dhoni said...about the choice of short balls to play and leave. But I am not a player and I wouldn't know how to go about doing that. Maybe Aakash Chopra will write an article about that :)

Posted by Nampally on (January 20, 2014, 14:26 GMT)

@justAnObservation: Why do certain individuals get infinite chances despite lack of performance? Dhoni goes by his "Gut Feeling & personal favourites". India needs a more "Cricket savvy" Captain. Ishant Sharma bowls consistently short with wrong field. Ashwin bowls to leg stump field round the wkts. & tries too many variations instead of accuracy. Ashwin has to focus more on off stump + accuracy, than on variations. When you bowl to a leg stump field there is very little room for errors & you get punished. Jadeja & Raina are excellent fielders + all rounders which gets them in XI. But they need to apply themselves to the task ahead more patiently to succeed. Rohit is a good batsman but lacks match temperament. He is a poor starter but once he gets going, he is good. Having said that Ishant does not deserve a place in XI & Rohit + Ashwin, are "Iffy" on current form. India needs an Opener+Pujara @#4, Aaron + seamer all rounder. Players are available but Dhoni not willing to Change!

Posted by martin000 on (January 20, 2014, 14:23 GMT)

Its high time our SL experts to return to their page and do their thing when they lose (which they have been doing for quite a while now) ie. praising yourself that you have put up an excellent fight.. lions this lions that... well played pak brothers... you deserve.. blah blah.. but that does not hide your way of negative approach in this match(as you always do).. instead of bullying others its high time for you guys to post something sensible in your page that can do good for your team.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 13:42 GMT)

Aaron for ishant and binny for jadeja, maybe umesh for ashwin as well.

Posted by AvidCricFan on (January 20, 2014, 13:28 GMT)

Of all playing eleven, continued selection of Ishant Sharma baffles me. He is now good for nothing. He doesn't have enough variations, lost his speed and is coming out as mediocre bowler. He is not an inexperience bowler either. He has been in around now for six years.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (January 20, 2014, 13:22 GMT)

Dhawan and Rohit look just as bad as Raina v the short ball I don't know why Raina gets singled out so much.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 13:17 GMT)

I don't agree with mccullum saying they bounced four of the indian top order batsmen. Except raina all others fell to score board pressure trying to up the ante. rohit got stuck & his eyes lit up when he saw the ball in his zone. ditto with dhawan. unfortunately for rohit he found the fielder which he should have been aware-of, & dhawan purely mistimed it. Such claims by NZ r nothing but mindgames to bruise the ego of batsmen like rohit, dhawan [both being very good hookers of the ball].

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 13:11 GMT)

R Sharma, S Dhawan/A Rahane, C Pujara, V Kohli, A Rayudu, S Binni, MSD, R Jadeja, M Shami, I Pandey & M Shami, should have been the ODI combination which India should have tried in Newzealand. If loosing a series, by trying untested players and combination is worth more than trying with players who've been continuously failed to improve their performance. !

Posted by Kohli--The_Messi_of_Cricket on (January 20, 2014, 12:51 GMT)

Some of the players have got a longer run than what they deserve. Why is Ishant Sharma still in the team is beyond me. We need to try out a different set of spin bowlers in overseas conditions. As far as the batting department is concerned, it lacks solidity. Raina is a great T20 player and that's about it. He doesn't merit a place in the longer formats. Rohit lacks application, and isn't suited for ODIs. With the World Cup coming up next year, we can't make a whole lot of changes but surely can get rid of some of the weak links.

Players who deserve a look-in: Pujara, Rayudu, Rasool, R Dhawan

Players to be kicked out forever: Rohit, Raina, Ishant

Posted by Anil_Koshy on (January 20, 2014, 12:49 GMT)

Suresh Raina should focus on IPL only, he is not a good player to be in the team while touring Australia or South Africa.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 12:47 GMT)

Raina, ashwin, jadeja remove from india side. dhoni supported them tomuch...

Posted by Prasad4ever on (January 20, 2014, 12:41 GMT)

What is common between a Davis Cup Captain and Dhoni??? Both Non-Playing.

Posted by chinnu_rocking231 on (January 20, 2014, 12:15 GMT)

Fst of all wats the need of Raina/Jaddu/ishant in team.... fi every one in world knows thy goinna fail.. can any one tell me how cm jadeja/raina/ishnat playd this many matches...(its support frm captain).. thn y not yuvi gambhir or rayudu or binny or I pathan can get chance .... pls dhoni we know ur great player but dont play with indian cricket using ur cntrl over BCCI using CSK team... it will hurt us badly in next 10 years aftre u retire... Best XI : Dhawan, Gambhir, Virat, puj,yuvi,dhoni,binny/irfan,PK/BK,ash/bhaj/mishi,shami/umesh,pandey/aaron keep zak rohit Rayudu DK fr back up and u can see wonders .....

Posted by JustAnObservation on (January 20, 2014, 12:09 GMT)

Majority of the comments today are against Ishant. In fact, in the past one year, the entire country seems to have turned against him. Yet, he keeps on getting selected, series after series, and for every match, Test, ODI or T20. It is indeed baffling. How can one be picked for over 55 Tests and so many ODIs and T20s despite the most pathetic performance. Other than Virat, Shami and Dhoni, none of the other players are fit enough to perform overseas. Also, one wonders, why certain players Ashwin, Raina, Rohit, Ishant, Jadeja are getting infinite chances while others perish just trying to grab the attention of selectors.

Posted by mak8874 on (January 20, 2014, 11:09 GMT)

dhoni is a lucky person, thats why he got such successes,,,, otherwise his decisions and team selection can easily hurt india team ,,,,, he only support chennai players ,,,, you all will see that he will not give a chance to new selected players until and unless ishant went for disaster ,,,,, in my opnion , they should allow rahane to open with shikar and put rohit to down numbers ,,, rohit as a opener will only be successful in sub-continent conditions ,,,,, virat kohli is a player of all conditions ,,, he is matured and can bat in any conditions ,,, same for pujara ,,, they showed great character in southafrica

Posted by AFanOfGoodCricket on (January 20, 2014, 10:54 GMT)

How many more chances will Raina, Jadeja and Ashwin get before being dropped? These three have got too may chances overseas but have never performed. Till the time selectors keep picking team based on IPL performance we will keep getting the same result.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 10:22 GMT)

overall good show by rebuilt team india even though they lost the 1st odi match by narrow margin in nepier.we should loose heart with this performance in nz.another 4 matches to go still.we will definitely come back in the will always have home team advantage like knowing the pitches and weather conditions.we will definitely perform better in the coming matches.dhoni should gain some advice from local experts on weather/pitch conditions before matches in future.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 10:20 GMT)

@kalyanbk : Great Point. I felt Corey Andreson was given more respect than he deserves but partly due to the loss of regular wickets. Southee was the only one to get some swing early on but they ought to have attached Nathan McCullum and Corey Anderson more. McClenaghan got lucky with Kohli but I have my reservations about McClenaghan. If openers click, Corey Anderson will be batted out of the attack. But since it was the first game and batsman getting used to conditions, looking forward to more attacking batting from Rohit Sharma upfront next time around.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 10:12 GMT)

The only time Raina has looked comfortable against short bowing is while playing Sri Lanka. Even against Bangladesh he has struggled against short pitch but against Sri Lanka he looks like a compete batsman

Posted by TEROSHAN on (January 20, 2014, 10:09 GMT)

india will have to over come this issue with Bouncer by producing balance pitches in home condition.. atlest for their domestic level.. then they will have some one like Kholi , Pujra other wise only india can produce dhoni type sub continat players which is use less in these conditions in NZ SA AUS ENG or BCCI should forced those board to prepare flat pitches by putting thier financial power those board.. ( like they did to WI and SL)

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 10:06 GMT)

Except Raina, most others handle short ball well. But how about finding a few who can Bowl short pitched intimidating stuff too ? Enough of being at the receiving end !!

Posted by Jeysamuel on (January 20, 2014, 9:50 GMT)

Both Sharma need to be dropped. Rohit shoudn't continue as he got a 200 in ODI's. Wasting too many deliveries and giving confidence to bowlers and losing the momentum for India.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 9:43 GMT)

ishant sharma 72 runs in his Overs. very good bowler

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 9:41 GMT)

why ishant and jaddu again. Please bring other bowlers. It sometime feels that jadega dont know the timing of the game. its not the first time he is expected to do something with the bat, but he has shown his ability of catch practicing for the opposition. His wicket put an extra pressure on Kohli to play those risky shots.

Posted by Iceman29 on (January 20, 2014, 9:05 GMT)

@ rajuramki: you got a very good point there...moreover they should know which ball to attack and which one to leave alone...

Posted by Iceman29 on (January 20, 2014, 8:59 GMT)

Was very eager to see Varun, ishwar atleast....but Dhoni will not allow them to play any match in this series.. as usual they will also the benches and leave NZ without playing a single match...there are a bunch of player who dont deserve their place in the playing 11 right now....Rohit, Ishant, Raina, Jadeja and Ashwin....almost half the team are passengers...God save Ind team...

Posted by Iceman29 on (January 20, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

NZ have some amazing allrounders and new exciting players...Mcleneghan, Anderson seems to be great talents...Fast bowling all rounders are always a big bonus to a team..if your team has more than one you have 80% chance to win all the matches...

Posted by Naresh28 on (January 20, 2014, 8:47 GMT)

India needs fast, hit the deck bowlers in team. Difference between our team and others. Our medium pacers relying on swing wont win us matches when touring.

Posted by Bdthetiger on (January 20, 2014, 8:47 GMT)

@yousufahmed1,u hav got very little sense.the rankings i have shown is an odi ranking.not test.test ranking should b 1sa 2aus 3 eng 4sri 5 pak 6wi 7nz 8bd 9 zim 10 is the most real ranking of all time.

Posted by kalyanbk on (January 20, 2014, 8:41 GMT)

I watched the match and felt India over-respected the conditions and opposition bowlers. They must back themselves as they did in the Champions Trophy. It is not right to automatically assume the spinners should play a containing role and let the game drift in the middle overs. India need to try Pujara, Varun Aaron and Binny instead of Rohit, Ishant and Jadeja. Yuvraj, Rayudu and Raina need to compete for a slot.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 8:40 GMT)

To Dhoni, please forget Raina now. We had enough. If u try(should not use the word 'try' for the man who got us two w world cups) Yuvraj you wont need to give him the same amount of chances as u did to Raina. country will be very thankful to you.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 8:40 GMT)

We have Varon Aron, Umesh Yadhav, Ishawer Pandey who can swing the ball with pace. They also can bowl the short ball when it is needed. We are still yelling at our bowlers that we were not good enoungh to bowl the 40th to 50th overs. Our over rate and run rate during that period is far worse than a county rated team. To improve that we need to have a pool of 5 bowlers in each category. They should have 4 categories. 1. Medium fast bowlers, Fast Bowlers, Military Medium Swing Bowlers & Medium Fast bowlers who can bat. Each time when we tour other countries, we need to carry atleast 2 quick bowlers who are fit enough to complete the tournament.

Ishant is now bowling @ 129 - 133 Kmph. Bhuvi is little faster than Ishanth. Buvhi atleast swinging the ball. I understand Ishanth is a good prospect in 2006. But its high time that he cannot deliver. Now it is time to replace him with good bowlers.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 8:38 GMT)

@Yousufahmed1: I am not a strict SL fan but your pitiful recording of cricekting knowledge caused me to intervene. SL, as recently as in 2011-12 session, won a test match. Do get your facts right before barging in like a know-it-all.

Posted by ramli on (January 20, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

We have to play hook shots ... no use ducking underneath always ... it will only add to pressure and curtail run-making ... Just do it properly ... but how? by doing it again and again and learning from mistakes or changing to persons who can do it!!

Posted by ramli on (January 20, 2014, 8:30 GMT)

Simple answer to middle order woes ... MSD at no. 4 ... nothing else will work ... period. Of course, he has to stay till the end of the match ... winning or losing ...

Posted by Great_Chucker on (January 20, 2014, 8:25 GMT)

@Nampally Its not dhoni will not learn from his mistakes but Dhoni doesn't want to drop his buddies 2Sharmas,Ashwin,Raina,Jadeja. ...they will continue to play for India as long he's captain,even if they play badly for most in point ISharma who won't grow up mentally...Rayudu,Aaron will carry drinks thru NZ tour...its high time dhoni is replaced as WK first[Samson/DK can be tried] and then his captaincy which won't improve outside India...

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

JustIPL - I'm not sure if you watched NZ vs WI? But if you did, how could you say WI did well in NZ? They won 2 games out of 10... I would say they were completely screwed over by a strong, young growing NZ side... McClenaghan also had a pretty reasonable series. Think he had one poor game. Just questioning where you got your info from? People are quick to judge the Indian side, but lets not forget the performance NZ put in. In particular, their fielding is simply amazing!

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 8:14 GMT)

Dhoni should use four frontline fast bowlers... As always Ishant is pathetic, he is good to get drinks for the players, Shami should be accompanied by Aeron since Ishant bowls at 120- 130 kmph. and is no longer threat to even opposition tailenders. India should play with Shami, Aeron, Bhuvi and Binny ( Drop Jadeja), if required use Raina, Rohit as spinning options. I think India missed a trick of keeping out Yuvraj. He is still a matchwinner. If India can play Raina why not Yuvraj, the man who single handendly floored big teams and got us two World cups. I feel Ishwar Pandey and Rayadu should be tried at some point of time, instead of struggling Ishant and Raina.

Posted by Yousufahmed1 on (January 20, 2014, 7:53 GMT)

@ SLslinga "2nd SL" LOL. HAHA. You are so funny. Do you know that your mediocre colombo track bullies are yet to win a single test match in AUS and IND, And have not won a single test series outside SL since 2000. LOL. Colombo track bullies. LOL

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 7:49 GMT)

I would like to stress that Ishant sharma is not at all fit to bowl to even an LKG student he does not deseve a place in the team same as Raina who is dancing against the Short ball and also Rohit at the top of the order should be replaced by Gautam Gambir and ofcourse Jadedja might be handy but he can be givena couple of games before he is being shown the way out of the tem

Posted by PCMondal on (January 20, 2014, 7:48 GMT)

Ghambir & sehwag should returned to the indian squad otherwise india not to win a single game in overseas see the past record

Posted by strokemaker11 on (January 20, 2014, 7:23 GMT)

Its high time Dhoni stops Favoritism and drop average players like Jadeja, raina and Ashwin who can never perform outside subcontinent. Enough of experimenting with Ishanth. He cannot even match pace of Bhuvi. Replace Rohit with Gambhir and Ishanth with Aaron/Umesh/Ishwar atleast they will learn. ishanth never learns. Rohit is a overrated player. Raina can never play shortball since a decade. Stop experimenting and build team for WC. We dont mind losing now but have players who can learn and perform.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 7:16 GMT)

Dhoni should make changes in the team if at all he need to stay in the contest. Ishant sharma, Rohit sharma, Raina and jadeja to be rested.

Posted by bjkboyer on (January 20, 2014, 6:51 GMT)

Great start to the series India(predictable start), so great to see you so called supporters are behind your team. How about posting relevant comments about how India were outplayed by a better team. Aus can thank us(NZL) at the end of the series for handing them back the #1 ranking thats how you help a brother out!

Posted by rajuramki on (January 20, 2014, 6:32 GMT)

When Mohinder came into the Indian team , he had a weakness in facing short balls and the opposition used to pepper him with a lot of short stuff . Mohinder even lost his place in the team on account of this . However,the fighter that he is , Mohinder mastered the art of facing short pitched bowling that the opposition realised that they cannot intimidate him with short pitched bowling . The message here is that facing short pitched bowling is easier only when you play the shots. But the batsmen will have to understand the field position when hooking or pulling a short ball and not play these shots by instinct .

Posted by Bdthetiger on (January 20, 2014, 5:56 GMT)

A home track champions like india play abroad as the amount of matches they play at home iam sure the real rankings table will come into display.the real rankings should b 1sa 2sri 3 aus 4pak 5eng 6nz 7ind 8wi 9bd 10zim.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 5:40 GMT)

India's middle order is definitely a bit of concern. Looking back a few months when they were so strong in the middle order, one difference stands out. Dinesh Karthik was the strong point there then, is no where in the scene. No idea why they have left him out. He is one guy who could also play pull very well and is capable of hitting big sixes. It is better to also try out Binny now because we need an allrounder and he is a definite prospect just like his dad.

Posted by GRVJPR on (January 20, 2014, 5:30 GMT)

@dj_dhananjay, It's debatable whether India lost becuase of batting or bowling. For you 293 is small score but not for me. In India dew comes on and it makes chasig easy. We will need to restrict opponents under 275 in Australia and New Zealand. In particular in australia boundaries are very big and we can't be expected to chase down totals easily.

Posted by Rags57 on (January 20, 2014, 5:21 GMT)

I am confused about Dhoni being worried about a one match ban if he does not play two spinners. Every other country plays with only one spinner and four fast bowlers and medium pacers and they are able to finish their quota of 50 overs in time so what is the problem for India? Some of the Indian fast bowlers don't even have or need a long run up like Dale Steyn or Mitchell Johnson do. I think Dhoni should play Stuart Binny instead of Jadeja - Binny can bat lower down the order and is an effective medium pacer who can keep the run rate down. Dhoni can always use part timers like Rohit, Raina or Kohli if he is in trouble in some match for over rate. He needs to find ways to bowl 50 overs in time all the time no matter what the bowling combination is. That is what is needed from a good captain.

Posted by JustIPL on (January 20, 2014, 5:13 GMT)

Ishant deserved a go as he is one of only few frontline fast men in india and had to be fully tried before being discarded for good. Rohit on the other hand was instrumental when india surprised the world during last CT. Now Rohit has become his usual self outside india so no surprises. India are also due to fare better than lowly rated WI who did well in NZ a short while ago. Mitchell McClenaghan went for 68 runs in 10 overs and was not very successful against WI even and he demolished the batting of world champions. India have to think about each game in isolation and be free of being top ICC ranking team in ODIs.

Posted by Viratkohlirocks on (January 20, 2014, 5:09 GMT)

JDhawan actually batted fine today compared to his performace in SA. Jadeja was horrible, but doesnt need to be out of the team. He just took 6 wicketz against SA. What must have been really embarresing for ishant sharma is that buvaneshwar was bowling considerably faster than him. Ishant was averaged HIGH 120, while bhuvi was bowling HIGH 130S. Shami was awesome again, though a touch expensive. Rahane was unlucy, ishant has to be dropped, and bth sharmas wre embarrasing. India, come on bounce back. We can win this! Kohli, hats off, u little beauty!

Posted by GRVJPR on (January 20, 2014, 4:58 GMT)

People saying we have only 1 batsmen. So others can't even contron that 1 batsmen and India won Champosn trophy without loosing any game and currently world number 1 team and world champions. As for Sri lanka fans, may I ask you where you won your world cup???

Posted by GRVJPR on (January 20, 2014, 4:57 GMT)

Selectors should not give DHONI choice to select Ishant and some of the others. He never allows bench warmers to play in eleven. Just select 13 players and force dhoni to play them.

Posted by dj_dhananjay on (January 20, 2014, 4:42 GMT)

This match was lost by out batsmen NOT our bowlers. Apart from a few bad balls, our weakest link Ishant did OK. It baffles me as to how & why Pujara can be let out of the squad, leave alone the playing XI..??? He is India's the 2nd best batsman for sure - and is equal to Raina + Rahane combined - in foreign conditions. Drop either Rahane or Raina and bring Pujara in at number 2. On another note, the minute Raina tuned down the two and decided to face Milne - I knew it was his end!! Virat should have protected Raina from Millne - this is perhaps something the otherwise awesome Virat will have to earn to do in future.

Posted by Abubvs on (January 20, 2014, 4:24 GMT)

Well said Dhoni...Things will certainly improve..atleast Team India is not flinching away from short pitched stuff..This Indian team is full of gutsy characters..I belive attitude is more important rather than winning or losing..

I will definitely denounce if the beatsem are getting out fending away the balls.

Bring em on all the short pitched stuff.. it will only improve our batting skills.

As no other team faces so much short stuff..despite nobody showing the strength..Being the numero uno team in the world..Indian team is ready to take up the challenge and provide haters wrong

Posted by SydneyIndi on (January 20, 2014, 4:23 GMT)

We hear the same old things again from Dhoni. Really tiring. If the lower-middle order is coming under pressure now, put yourself up the order now until they settle. You do that only to score the winning runs when winning is imminent! I am sorry MSD, of late your batting is NBG. You need to deliver O/S or else you might have to go. Another thing, why we continue to play Raina, Ashwin and Jadeja? Is it a coincidence they are with MSD in the Chennai IPL team? U play them even after they fail regularly. The same is not the case for Yadav, Aaron, etc. why? Also, why we played Ishant? He is now slow and no control on his line and length. In death overs he gets flustered too easily. Selectors / BCCI: may be time for a rethink on MSD, Ishant & Zak. Otherwise, U will be frowned upon by the fans. Winning at home is easy under any captain. The measuring yardstick for captaincy must be the O/S records. MSD has so far fallen well short on that. Hype can only work for some time, not all the time.

Posted by shanks1967 on (January 20, 2014, 4:22 GMT)

ONLY ONE WORD- "SHARMA"- ISHANT FIRST AND ROHIT SECOND. The number of chances give to these two is unbelievable. Ishant should not even play for his state. He bowls one good spell in probablly 20 games or so and for that we keep on insisting with him. 72 runs in 9 overs is par for the course for Ishant. He not only bowls badly, but is a sitting duck when batting. As for his fielding if we add it to his bowling numbers it would read as 9 overs for 80 or 85 runs. Why are we insisting with him. There are several new faces like Ishwar who has been picked. Why are we not playing him? Or why not Umesh who bowls consistently in 145 plus range. Why dont you let Umesh bowl a complete spell of 10 overs with new ball, if his death bowling is in doubt. When you compare with Ishant, all his bowling is bad, so I am sure Umesh would not be as bad as him even in death overs. NO EXCUSES for including Ishant Sharma at all. I hate his celebrations when he gets 1 wicket after 200 balls or so. what a waste

Posted by GRVJPR on (January 20, 2014, 4:12 GMT)

Why we even didn't attempt bouncers on their batsmen??

Posted by GRVJPR on (January 20, 2014, 4:12 GMT)

Yes, pull the balls but not in hands of fielders, OUT OF THE PARK!

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 4:08 GMT)

Rohit is on foot steps of Viru. He does not value his wicket, while Kohli do,,, Nobody looked to working on any plans what so ever. Did any one adviced jadeja to rotate strikes and give it to Kohli?? If Jadeja wold have done it,, result would have been different,,,

Short ball issue?? well its age old noone could find solution,,, even after playing more than 200 ODIs,,, silly,,

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 3:56 GMT)

Drop ishant sharma and bring in stuart Binny or ishwar pandey..Ishant is leaking many runs and is a poor death bowler on even fit to get a lower order batsman's wicket.Give chance to Ambatti Rayadu poor chap waiting always in bench wastes his talent.

Posted by Bdthetiger on (January 20, 2014, 3:56 GMT)

Dhawan bd rohit r ultimate flat track bullies.these batsmen cant play even 129kps bouncer let alone 150kps bouncer.i bealive these indian team need to work very hard to get to srilanka team caliber.untill then they r minnows.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 3:20 GMT)

guess it shows India only have two batsmen..

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 3:09 GMT)

Pull and hook are difficult and risky shots. Even Australians and South Africans too cannot play those very confidently always. They frequently get out if they are provided with good short pitched deliveries. However they win the war of bouncy pitches against others because of their own superior fast bowling attack. In a pitch when they get out cheaply by opposition fast bowlers, their own blowers usually turn the table more into their own favor. India lacks in this category. If India get out cheaply their bowlers usually give away more runs to push India out of the game completely.So we doubt trying to fight a war without sufficient firepower of their own will keep on firing back.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 3:08 GMT)

If hitting/pulling short-ball is a conscious and thought out plan, then I am game for it. Obviously, they would be practicing it in nets and trying to implement in game conditions. It is a tough shot to play and need lot of practice, failures to get it somewhat right for a subcontinental team. We may lose the #1 ranking, but results of this strategy are even half decent we would have a good shot at WC. Well, if we keep playing Ishant we may not even win 1 match against NZ, who are not only a good ODI side, but also have appropriate balance in the team.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 2:58 GMT)

@SillyPointer, don't you dare to compare Ishant with Ajit Agarkar. Few points: 1) Agarkar used to GET wickets 2) He was sometimes good lower order bat not a sitting duck like Ishant 3) He was brilliant outfielder, I think best India produced so far or may be second to Kapil. 4) He used to bowl ONLY 1-2 bad balls per over while for Ishant I wait (futile) to see even one good ball in his whole spell. 5) Agarkar used to bowl high 140 throughout his time with national team while Ishant's speed... oops.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 2:31 GMT)

The travails of carrying extra baggage like No Hit Sharma(Rohit) is bound to put the team in pressure right from the start. I mean when a bastmen has consistently failed on all foreign tours he is awarded an opening slot and goes onto scratch around for 23 deliveries for a paltry return of 3 runs. This loss needs to be a wake up call and the team needs to be revamped immediately. A team that will lead better balance would be as follows: Dhawan, Rahane,Kohli,Pujara,Binny, Raina,Dhoni,Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar,Zaheer and Shami.

Posted by mahi678 on (January 20, 2014, 2:21 GMT)

Its some reverse psychology that works for india. every body want ishanth, and raina to be axed thats why dhoni continuing with them. same logic applies to pujaras selection for odis(because many persist to select him dhoni resists it). this is just raw stupidity. sack few players and dhoni from captainy- otherwise a series of defeats will come to pollute the indian cricket at its higher level.

Posted by my2centsonthis on (January 20, 2014, 1:49 GMT)

Indian public continue to be fooled. 'Batting let us down'- partly true.. but because of who? Precisely the time tested failures like Rohit Sharma and Raina. Please do not judge Dhawan and Rahane yet. If these failures got this much support, then any one else deserves support for some time The bigger problem is bowling. why on earth Ishant sharma needs to be playing. There is no role for 2 spinners. till our bowlers can get to a point where we can restrict opposition to less than 275 outside the subcontinent its impossible to win no matter how good the batting is. And if class like Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Shami etc are not given honest support they will get frustrated and either will fall down or start focusing on their personal records as has happened with other legends in India before. Stop playing politics & favoring groupism and stop cheating Indian public as BCCI must account for the public money they get in one form or the other.

Posted by   on (January 20, 2014, 1:47 GMT)

Early days of the tour need to see how it unfolds. If Raina can't lsy the short ball we need a replacement.

Posted by HopefulIndianCricFan2 on (January 20, 2014, 1:39 GMT)

Rohit, Raina, Ishant and Ashwin are good in sub-continental conditions so I think we should preserve them for those conditions. On bouncy tracks if we are loosing anyway why not give chances to young fast bowlers and fast bowling all-rounders.

Posted by JRP100 on (January 19, 2014, 22:21 GMT)

Too many people are calling for players like raina jadeja and dhawan to be dropped, look at what they have done, all of their ODI records stand out somewhere and they should only be dropped if they fail for the whole series. As for ishant sharma and ashwin i dont think either of them are good for ODI's (ishant in tests too), their records are well hidden by wickets at home or when batsmen are in the last few overs trying to attack. ashwin should go for binny on overseas pitches and sharma for either pandey or aaron. Rohit should be given a longer rope for now given the 2013 he had. Rahane shouldnt be in the ODI squad he's had enough opportunities in ODI's and there is a replacement in rayudu. rohit, dhawan, kohli, rayudu, raina, dhoni, jadeja, binny, kumar, shami, pandey/aaron

Posted by sbhusarapu on (January 19, 2014, 22:06 GMT)

Completely hopeless playing 11 selection.. never saw Ishant Sharma taking more than 2 wickets in a match and he is pathetic in slog overs.. Indian team and its captain are the ones who talk too much about backing people.. he is backing people for what.. don't see improvement in them.. overseas failures match after match.. select team based on playing conditions not because they are your best pals or team mates in IPL franchise.. What the hell is happening with BCCI where are those practice matches with local teams?

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 21:50 GMT)

Inspite of all the analysis Dhoni provided-primary reasons for the loss are Sharmas-Ishant and Rohit who rarely will do well abroad. To this add captains pets Raina Ashwin and JAddu who have limitations when playing abroad. So you are playing with 5 people-maybe time to change Dhoni

Posted by Shiv_gowd on (January 19, 2014, 21:42 GMT)

Please give Rayadu a chance. I am sick and tired of Raina. Also when is the last time Jadeja played a decent knock? Maybe its time for Ashwin to open and play rohit in middleorder (more batting in important overs)

Posted by TRAM on (January 19, 2014, 21:36 GMT)

Its amazing Dhoni diverts the topic away from ISharma's 9 overs 72 runs! If he thinks talking about Indian batsmen's shortball weakness will divert people from looking at India's bowling dent caused by Ishant he is very wrong.

There are only 2 consistent things happening for India now. That is Kholi's batting and Ishant's bowling. Both are so glaring to see for every one except Dhoni.

Posted by satchander on (January 19, 2014, 21:27 GMT)

@InsideHedge - This is exactly what I have been harping about. Dhoni is absolutely stubborn. I mean why cannot we have different lineups for overseas conditions. Just remove Raina and Yuvraj out of the equaton when you are playing on fast tracks like in NZ / Aus / SA / Eng. Get players like Rayudu and others who I believer are better players of short pitch. I mean I could clearly see y'day how Raina fell to a clear plan by NZ. They knew he will evenutally get out to short pitch and it was just a matter of time. And serious Jadeja is hopeless in Number 7 - bring in Stuar binny and drop Ashwin and make Jadeja come in at Number 8 purely as a bowler.

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (January 19, 2014, 20:44 GMT)

India starts with a 33% disadvantage in every game under Dhoni. It is clear to millions of cricket fans that Raina should not be selected outside India. Ishant's seam release is poor despite a prolonged run in the team. Rohit Sharma is only good in India. So he is carrying 3 under-performers in his eleven. Compare that to NZ. They have no under-performers in their eleven. The solution is simply to replace these three gentlemen for the next ODI. Otherwise we will lose to NZ who, I have to say, are playing like they are hungrier for a win. The hunger starts from the selection decision itself!

Posted by SonnyGong on (January 19, 2014, 20:28 GMT)

I agree with Nampally. But Yadav is not inlcuded in the One day squad. It is a surprise not to have included Yadav and Aaron is on the bench. It is either not clever or boorish of the Indian think tank to pick Ishant at this time. Ishant is only 25 years old and bowling at such slow speeds. Something is wrong with him. He certainly does not look himself. He needs a break to get his speed back. Why such poor choices by the Indian think tank I fail to understand.

Posted by InsideHedge on (January 19, 2014, 20:17 GMT)

Well, we can expect more short stuff from the Kiwis for the remainder of the ODI series. I don't see how our batters will suddenly improve ten fold in just three days unless MSD is trying to tell us that this game was an anomaly.

Let's face some facts here: we haven't won an overseas ODI since we left for South Africa. Time to rectify that.

Agreed with MSD that one needs to be judicious with selecting which short delivery to hit. McCleneghan bowled some good ones, particularly in his initial spell but he was wilting in his 2nd and 3rd spells physically - a MoM award would have been justified given the impt wickets he took in his last spell but again it was a short ball that kick started it all. He's clearly their talisman so why not play him carefully? For all of MSD's experience and soundbytes, it was he who made a poor decision.

Milne was down on his pace in his 2nd spell, I'm not sure he'll feature in all the games. The guy reminds me of both Pat Cummins and Shaun Tait.

Posted by InsideHedge on (January 19, 2014, 20:08 GMT)

I think the majority of Indian fans agree that MSD can be very stubborn, he also has the knack of making illogical decisions sound perfectly sensible. It's quite a knack!

Let's take Raina: He faced Milne after quite a gap, not surprisingly Milne's 1st delivery to him was short. Despite the huge predictability, Raina was done for pace. Yes, Milne is quick but if you can't get into position even when you are 90% certain that one's coming for your melon, your best bet is to leave it alone.

MSD is wrong about the two boucers per over accounting for 80 deliveries. This would only occur in very rare circumstances. The bouncer rule is so strict that invariably a bowler is called for a wide due to height violations. Very few bowlers can bowl a good bouncer at will.

In this game, the Kiwis bowled very good bouncers but they were constantly encouraged by lame attempts to deal with it barring Kohli.

Posted by Nampally on (January 19, 2014, 19:57 GMT)

There is no point of brooding over spilt Milk! Dhoni never learns from his huge mistakes!. When NZ played an all Pace attack, MSD plays in 2 spinners who gave about 115 runs between them for just I wkt. Shami was the only bowler who looked like taking wkts. even with back problems. Aaron the fastest of Indian bowler was benched to continue with the same old rubbish of Ishant who averages >7 runs/over in ODI's. Every time Aaron was in the squad in the past, Dhoni has benched him. India needs to go with their fastest 3- Aaron, Yadev & Shami on green bouncy pitches to make it a viable bowling side. The sad part is Dhoni does not GET IT! Kohli is a much better ODI skipper & should take over. Based on the past record, in the 2nd ODI, Dhoni will go with the same XI. Bring in Aaron to replace Ishant + Pujara to replace Rohit or play #4 + One spinner to be replaced with Yadev/Binny. Non performers must be replaced to give the message that failures are unacceptable - applies to Skipper too!

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 19:49 GMT)

At least for this on going tour they have to make amendments since they are not going to SOS Pujara and Zaheer. First Rohit is not looking like himself and Rahane has to open the ODI matches from know on and switch Rohit to MI. The bowling is concerned the changes are Varun for Ishant, Bhuvi did better but a taller and stronger Ishwar Pandey for the future. Binny is better in these conditions compared to Ashwin, So the Team is:

Rahane Dhawan Kohli Rohit Raina Dhoni Jadeja

The bowling attack needs Varun,

Bhuvi Shami Varun Binny

We don't know what the ER rate for Varun will come out but should be around 5.3 target ER rate compared to Ishant's career of 5.7

Posted by kr_kinshuk on (January 19, 2014, 19:31 GMT)

India needs to get rid of rohit sharma And ishant sharma. If rohit had delivered in even one of the Indian innings in south Africa India would have probably come back with a drawn test series. And what's the point of having ppl like umesh yadav and varun aaron warming the bench.......... If one notices the tearaway quick from nz also leaked some runs but at least such bowlers give the batsmen something to think about On such flat tracks

Posted by BhargDhoniBharg on (January 19, 2014, 19:21 GMT)

Binny is not a bad choice because Virat was bowling good. for NZ conditions Binny's bowling may be suited. Drop Ishaan or Jadeja and bring Binny.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 19:13 GMT)

3 Overs from Kohli in today's game should have been adjusted against only 1 bowler - Ishant's quota. Instead, Dhoni gave Ishant 2 more overs & India paid the price. I understand Dhoni's idea of giving a player time to learn in match situations, but the player has to show some improvement somewhere. Ishant shows absolutely no improvement with the ball, can't bat OR field either. He was one of my favourite bowlers about 4 years back, but has only been going down since. If Ishant cannot pick himself & Dhoni is not sure any of the other replacements can deliver, Dhoni should hand over the gloves to someone else & bowl himself - I am available to bowl as well (I have not even bowled for my school, but if Ishant can bowl, so can I).

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 19:09 GMT)

I love Captain Dhoni's analysis of the game. He says (correctly) one option is not to play the short ball. But then he says India's strength is "playing the short ball". Yeah, right, Captain Sir! You lost 4 of your top batsmen trying to play the short ball. How is that your real strength? This is like a back alley bully, trying to slug it out with a trained boxer, when he himself knows nothing about the art of boxing.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 18:37 GMT)

time the captain realizes dat its not fun to play with the expectation of billions of supporters and fans. talk about defending the world cup. must be kiddin. if so adament then why select such a big squad..simple 11 will do with non performing so called talents like ishant rohit jadeja ashwin being alloted permenent places and toy with the performers like kohli shami bhuvi etc and dropping them on the very criteria dat they consistently perform..shame on the captain. if india needs to be at the pinacle then first thing dat needs to be done is to kick out this captain cum politician from the helm and drop him from the team. this is team india n not csk or some clown team. n he is not the owner of it. its wonderful to see the loss n for me its not the country which lost but rather the captain's team. satisfying indeed. hope to see such more defeat to in future...

Posted by aragarwa on (January 19, 2014, 18:17 GMT)

Pankaj Singh, the Rajasthan bowler who has been performing consistently in Ranji trophy asked the selection on what more he needs to do to get selected. Here we have Ishant Sharma asking the same question.....what more do I need to do to get dropped......just cant understand the logic behind his inclusion and Pankaj's exclusion........

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 18:14 GMT)

Dhoni needs to stop picking CSK players. What are Jadeja and Raina doing in the team. Why is Ishant even playing for india? Our batting after Dhoni is useless.

Posted by Brahams on (January 19, 2014, 18:07 GMT)

@rocket123 - Dude, please spare us the flat wicket theory........It reveals more about YOU - are you holding some kind of complex? Is it because your favorite team hasn't won say, a World cup, or has never reached Numero Uno in Tests? Hmm......

Posted by TomDeSailor on (January 19, 2014, 17:51 GMT)

i am one of those happy indian fans today.. really glad to see India lose today.. India deserve to lose as long as they keep picking the same XI over and over and over and over... What the hell is ISHANT & RAINA doing in the team??? its no secret that Raina will get out to the short ball overseas(in india too, but he manages something when in india).. ISHANT, what shall one say... I've absolutely no idea why are the selectors even taking him in the squad, let alone the playingg XI.. He was bowling slower than Bhuvi today... rohit can be given a bit longer coz he was good last year.. why 2 spinners??? Jadeja IS NOT AN ALLROUNDER.. he's purelyy a bowler who may bat a bit once in a while.. My team wud be : Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahane, Rayudu, Dhoni, Jadeja/Ashwin, Shami, Bhuvi, Aaron, Pandey/Binny.....

Posted by paul_rocks on (January 19, 2014, 17:46 GMT)

@SillyPointer, If Ishant sharma had the ODI bowling stats of Ajit Agarkar, he would be tolerable, Agarkar went for runs but at least took wickets. Ishant bleeds runs, bowls at a very moderate pace and has one dimensional thinking. With all the analysis being done, someone must have checked that in his follow through with all the hair he can barely see where the ball is. Either cut your hair or at least tie a pony man. Any bowler with 50 tests and an average of 39 needs some introspection from the selectors and the bowler himself.

Posted by Chris_P on (January 19, 2014, 17:45 GMT)

New Zealand pitches aren't really fast, they help seamers much more. I would have thought practising this shot should be done in practice rather than game situations?

Posted by paul_rocks on (January 19, 2014, 17:41 GMT)

If pulling and hooking is your strength then 4 of 6 batsmen should not get out doing so. If a player plays based on his strength then he should make runs or take wickets. Our batsmen have a weakness against the short ball so even if you "like" pulling, then either you learn the proper technique or leave the ball as much as you can. Frankly speaking MSD is not inspiring anymore, he is taking the captaincy for granted, it is time that he is asked to prove his captaincy. Past laurels aside, if the entire idea is to build for the future then all aspects should be analyzed including the captaincy.

Posted by StreetView on (January 19, 2014, 17:38 GMT)

As long as India play Nohit,Ishant & Raina they wont win.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 17:29 GMT)

Dhoni's choice of death over bowlers, field placement resulted in defeat for India.

Posted by Guruprasad.S on (January 19, 2014, 17:26 GMT)

It is clear that after some initial success, Shikhar Dhawan is finding it difficult to play fast and short-pitched bowling. Raina's weakness against short balls is well documented. Ravi Ashwin is ineffective and he also has put on lots of weight, that makes him a liability on field. From 2015 World Cup perspective, India needs to bring back Yuvraj Singh in the middle order. Jadeja can be played as a specialist spinner in Ashwin's place. Pujara should open. Rohit Sharma can be persisted with, because he is technically correct and when he gets going, he puts India in a position of advantage.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 17:16 GMT)

India have 2 play with four fast bowlers. s.binny inplace of jadeja varun aron inplace of aswin. ishant have to improve his pace.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

Dhoni talks about "learning" every time the Indian team loses. When will this learning ever end? Rohit, Ishant and Raina are three terribly weak links in the Indian team and have been so for long (forget their 'performances' on flat tracks at home). But Dhoni keeps having them in match after match. So where is the evidence of this so-called learning? Barring Kohli, Bhuvi and Shami, none of the others looked like members of a no.1 ranked team. When India lost the test series to SA, the Indians including Gavaskar said "there's no shame in losing to the No.1 team". What now when the No.1 ODI team loses to the No.8 team? The most frustrating part is never ever do you see or hear Dhoni admitting that they played bad cricket and got their backsides kicked. All the time it is about "learning" and "looking for positives". It is extremely frustrating being an Indian cricket fan whenever the team tours overseas.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

my team dhawan, rahene, kohli, r.sharma, rayudu, dhoni, binny, b.kumar, pandey, varun, sami.

Posted by SillyPointer on (January 19, 2014, 16:49 GMT)

Ishant Sharma is officially the new Ajit Agarkar.. getting whacked around like a pinata game in and game out and still continuing to play like the spot is reserved for him. He has neither pace, nor consistency and the opposing hitters start salivating at the 130 kph juicy short-pitched hit-mes that is his stock ball. I don't understand what purpose he serves other than the opposition's.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

Wel played new zealand..good luck rest of the serious..

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

Ishant Sharma, Rohit Sarma and R.Aswin need to be replaced forthwith if India wants to bounce back . I think any of the players on the Bench will perform a lot better than these three dead-weights. Mr. Dhoni, please wakeup.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

Team: Get Pujara at the top with Dhawan. Rohit @ 4, Rahane @5. Ishant is poor and whats with his hair? A bowler who struggles to get the seam right needs all the help he can get and get a shave for crying out loud.I would drop him.Jadeja is not going to get us runs in NZ/Aus. Bring in someone who can bowl seam up and bat like Pathan, Binny etc.

Muscle Cricket: Anderson/Faulkner are here to wrestle any advantage skill may enjoy away from the skill teams and hand them to the power teams. Same goes for bowling, My opinion is that cricket allows fast bowlers to target batsmen's heads with a leather ball and forces them to decide between their wicket or their safety. Imagine if batsmen would drop their bats and charge the bowlers just like baseball batters do everytime a fast bowler tries to bounce him out? Big bats, broad shoulders, powerplays, 2 allowed bouncers, welcome to the new age of brute vs talent. Let's see who wins at the end. My money is still on talent. Talent needs to step up

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 16:24 GMT)

I think dhoni should retire with rohit and jadeja, they can pla only in india. Rohit and dhoni are useless, and i can't understand the role of jadeja in team, if he's kept as bowler then remove ashwin from team and if if he's kept as batsman then kept then its foolishness

Posted by rocket123 on (January 19, 2014, 16:16 GMT)

Lucky India: flat batting tracks and dearth of pace battery like WI. Now that Big 3 triumvirate is in the offing, more flat wickets for India's hyped up batting line-up. But I still think if there are at least 2-3 fast bowlers consistently bowling at or above 90mph this Indian batting is bound to collapse even on flat wickets. Say what one wants to, but this batting line-up may be a bit better than that of old one but not close to any great batting line-up. They have been helped greatly by flat tracks and as a result pile up runs. Welcome to the world of triumvirate, where India is going to be Julius Ceasar but they are no Julius Ceasar in a real sense. The market power makes them that persona but in deeds or actions they are not.

Posted by Vilander on (January 19, 2014, 15:48 GMT)

Good game, Ind could have won it, but NZ deserved it because of their fielding, excellent fast bowling. Kohli played well, Dhoni got a great ball. Either Jadeja or Ashwin need to sit out for Binny and Aaron needs to play. Ishant needs to be sent back to India, probably Yadav can be called in his place, he can acclimatize. Ishant is v v poor, he lost pace to get his seam position back, now he has lost his seam position also but has also lost his pace more(128k !!),he also falls off in his delivery stride more. Ishant needs to go back to Ranji and play a couple of seasons focusing only on his betterment and come back if he performs better than Pankaj Singh.

Posted by topspeed55 on (January 19, 2014, 15:28 GMT)

Well Dhoni is really not smart if he keeps selecting Ishant. Are we playing for the ICC rankings or to win each game at a time? What Ishant brings to table? Just a common sense, the guy is just not learning get rid of him and try something else. I think again same old story Indian team is getting dependent on Virat. Same like Tendulkar. Virat is a good cricketer but he can't bail you out every time.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 14:48 GMT)

Dhoni appears to be hell bent upon retaining the same bunch of players irrespective of the results hoping that at least one or two matches could be won.He is literally begging his favourite players to perform.Mr. Captain! it is high time that you bring in Rayudu.

Posted by sandeepsingh19 on (January 19, 2014, 14:30 GMT)

When India were on last tour to England, praveen took the responsibility and performed reasonably well, but he is missed out. Atleast he is far better then Ishant. Instead of Raina, so much time should be given to Yuvi. Jaddu is ok coz he did very well in ICC Champions Trophy in England and good bowler for one days, but Ashwin should be left out in that case bcoz he dnt have such overseas record. BCCI can arrange training for them at Australia during break after this tour against bouncers, specially for Raina, Yuvi, Shikhar, Rohit. Instead of Ashwin we can opt for one more batsmen like Raydu...

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 14:11 GMT)

Rohit Sharma should be dropped from the team.Looks like he is good only on Indian wickets. Why Rayudu is not getting a place in the final eleven despite his talent.He is too good a player to be ignored for so long.Ishant Sharma is giving away too many runs and not taking any wickets to support his position in the team.We can not win matches if the other batsmen are unable to bat around Virat and make his efforts useless. Team is India is not playing like a unit at the moment. They have to regroup and show a better effort in the rest of the series

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 14:03 GMT)

I would add Binny as an all-rounder and Pandey as raw pace prospect in the team from next match onwards.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 14:00 GMT)

Outside the sub-continent where pace and bounce are going to be a default factor with Rohit Sharma , Raina are just not fit to be in the team . Same with Ishant Sharma who is just the opposite where in on pacy and bouncy wickets he just does not even get any help . So , in all 3 players of 11 are just not contributing at all. When Dhoni says he is not getting runs from No 4 and 5 , then it's real injustice on Rahane who is just finding his feet in Int'l cricket .

Posted by DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on (January 19, 2014, 13:48 GMT)

@sandy_banga whole world saw how eng pulled! New zealand bats does not know how to face spinning ball!

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 13:15 GMT)

Live and Learn. Rohit panicked due to his slow pace and that was why he misjudged the short ball. Dhawan was mostly comfortable against the short ball, but Raina is a sitting duck.

Pujara needs to come in. If someone had stayed with Kohli, the match would have been won. We can't rely on Dhoni to 'finish' all the time.

And what is Ishant doing in the team? One good spell in SA doesn't justify years of bad bowling.

1. Rohit Sharma 2. Shikhar Dhawan 3. Virat Kohli 4. Cheteswar Pujara 5. Ajinkya Rahane

Posted by sandy_bangalore on (January 19, 2014, 13:13 GMT)

Our flat pitch kings should understand that its one thing to pull a bowler in Rajkot or Indore, and something else to do the same in overseas pitches. Better they play straight rather than play airy fairy pull shots, hoping that a few will connect well

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 13:11 GMT)

@HarrowXI - India needs Pujara more in Tests rather than ODIs. And considering his history of knee injuries, they can't take the risk of playing him in both formats of the game.

Posted by Darksack on (January 19, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

India will win WC ,we are too strong to not learn on these pitches. Australia will be tough opponents on any track . We will meet them in final.

Posted by unbeleaveable on (January 19, 2014, 13:00 GMT)

Love it, put targets on their heads. What if they actually played on a real green top!HAHA!

Posted by amitgarg78 on (January 19, 2014, 12:44 GMT)

Need to bring in rayudu and Varun for Raina and ishant. Both are proven failures in such conditions and rayudu and Varun will add strength to the team. We just can not bank on these 2 any more.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 12:39 GMT)

Dohni makes me laugh india wont stop pulling since when did indians played short balls flat track bullies hope you have found out that next WC wont be played in your own back yard and your batters will face chin music so called big 3 that can only win at home the only 2 players to be deserved to be in team are aaash and ishant who have been indias top performers build the team around them

Posted by PeterJerome on (January 19, 2014, 12:36 GMT)

Strong man Dhoni. Graceful and chirpy even in defeat. All the best Sir. Thats the way to go with this young team. Give them wings, they will fly soon.

Posted by   on (January 19, 2014, 12:32 GMT)

i don't understand why dhoni keeps playing raina, rohit, ashwin, and jadeja. what jadeja and ashwin have done overseas. even if we look at south africa stats, preformance of these players is not up to the mark. they are only good is asian conditions where we don't often get green top wickets. we need to bring yuvraj and harbhajan back in the team. atleast harbhajan is much better than ashwin and jadeja in overseas conditions and yuvraj is much better than rohit and raina. need irfan back in team aswell instead of ishant. parveen is also a good option.

Posted by jimbond on (January 19, 2014, 12:30 GMT)

Jadeja has to make it as a bowler, else Amit Mishra may be a better option. Ashwin doesnt seem to have any role in ODIs. Binny or Pandey for Ashwin could be experimented with. Rayudu has to come in. He is someone who values his wicket and doesn't get tied down.

Posted by unbeleaveable on (January 19, 2014, 12:27 GMT)

NZ need to bring Bennett (Canterbury) into the squad now as he bowls around 145km and is tall and he needs to knock a few mellons off these happy hookers. They played on a road today and still caught out hooking, wait to you play on a pitch that's not so true. Knock their mellons off!

Posted by HarrowXI on (January 19, 2014, 12:14 GMT)

MSD keep playing Ishant sharma and Rohit Sharma and NZ win series easily. I dont know why selector and Dhoni keep playing ishant ? He dont have in it to be a consistant sucessful bowler.

please bring pujara and sandeep sharmaat top and sandeep sharma instead of Rohit and ishant

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