New Zealand v India, 2nd ODI, Hamilton

Openers should have batted for longer - Dhoni

Abhishek Purohit in Hamilton

January 22, 2014

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Dhoni: Batsmen not able to convert starts

Shikhar Dhawan was bowled by Tim Southee for 12, New Zealand v India, 2nd ODI, Hamilton, January 22, 2014
MS Dhoni said some of his batsmen were under pressure to play to the reputations they had built, something which could apply to Shikhar Dhawan © Getty Images

It is hard to fault an opening pair that has been so successful over the past several months but it was Shikhar Dhawan and Rohit Sharma's slow start that pulled India down in their big chase in Hamilton, MS Dhoni has said. The pair consumed 7.4 overs and added only 22 after India were set a D/L target of 297 from 42 overs. The middle order, led by Virat Kohli and Dhoni, took the game close but New Zealand won by 15 runs in the end.

"I thought once we got off to a start the openers should have carried on for a bit longer so that they could have played a few more shots, scored a few more runs and taken a bit of pressure off from the middle order," Dhoni said. "But that was not the case. It does not always go as planned. I think the middle order did quite well to reach close.

"We got off to a good start in terms of not losing wickets. But if you are supposed to score 290-odd when you are chasing and in the first ten you are 38-odd runs and two wickets down [India were 37 for 2], it becomes quite difficult for the middle order, specially on a wicket which became slightly two-paced with the drizzle. I felt as the game progressed it became more and more difficult.

"I think the batters are getting some kind of a start but we are not able to convert those starts into 50s or 75s or big partnerships. I feel it is very crucial if they are playing outside [India] that once you get off to a good start it is important you make a big partnership."

Dhawan and Rohit have been opening since the Champions Trophy last June and average 52.32 as a pair, with 1308 runs from 26 innings, including six century partnerships. Three of those stands were put together in the home series against Australia in October, but their returns have tapered off since then. They added 17, 21 and 29 against West Indies at home, 14 and 10 in South Africa, and have managed 15 and 22 so far in New Zealand. Not only has their average dropped significantly over these past seven innings, their partnership run-rate has also dipped from an overall 5.25 to 3.87.

Rohit, since his promotion from the middle order, has generally not found it easy to score quickly, barring the golden run he had in the home series against Australia. He made 3 off 23 in Napier and 20 off 34 in Hamilton following 18 off 43 in Johannesburg and 19 off 26 in Durban. While Dhawan's strike-rate is still in the early nineties, he too has had a lean run off late.

Dhoni said some of his batsmen were under pressure to play to the reputations they had built, something which could apply to Dhawan. "What some of the batters are going through is a phase where first when you come in and play a few games you just play your natural game and then all of a sudden you have a reputation to carry on and that puts a bit of pressure on them."

The captain added that it was a passing phase and said they would be better placed in playing without inhibitions and going for their strokes. "With more and more games, they will realise what their particular game is, they will back themselves to play that game and slowly, they'll change themselves and improve for better performance. They are going through a phase where they are thinking what their benchmark should be but it is important we enjoy cricket and play free-flowing cricket because most of the batsmen are free-flowing and they should play their shots, does not matter if it is the first ball or the last."

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Posted by TrueFactors on (January 26, 2014, 20:00 GMT)

If India want to win WC15 tournament, then team need what they had in 1983. Batting options, Bowling options and technically sound or adaptable, switchable players. For AUS/NZ, we need all-rounders (bat + bowl at decent or military pace at line, length). 2 openers, 2 standard Bat, 2 bat (P/T bowler), Four all-rounders ( 1+3 or 2+2 - spin/fast) and 1 opening and Death Fast bowler. Based on this - I see this team.... Openers: Dhawan, Pujara, JivanJyot singh, U.Chand, Gambhir etc. 2 standard Bat: Kohli, MSD 2 Bat + P/T bowler -or- WC to let Dhoni bowl: Raina, Yuvraj, Rohit, Rayudu, Karthik, L Rahul, C Gautam, etc. Spin all-rounders: B. Aparajit, Ashwin, Jadeja, P. Rasool, etc. Fast blowing All-rounders: S Binny, B Kumar, I Pathan, R Dhawan, S Yadav, A Nayar etc. One Opening + Death Fast bowler: Shami, Sandeep Sharma, Unadkat, Aaron, Yadav, Vinay etc. I dont think team need 150+ bowler. Team need bat till No.10, and most can bowl. This will be best team for competition.

Posted by gomsi20 on (January 24, 2014, 13:15 GMT)

Watch Dhawan for this series. if he doesnt do well, Dhoni: Plz bring back Gambhir and see the difference. He has better skills and techniques than Dhawan and for sure prove more worthy outside India.

Posted by Patties1984 on (January 24, 2014, 6:58 GMT)

I think Chateshwar with an Avg of 50+ in domestic odi deserves to be in the team. We should open with Pujara & let Rohit play lower down in place of Yuvraj as Rohit has similar T20 stats to Yuvraj which shows he is a good finisher & hence coming at the top makes no sense. Murali Vijay is average at best & should be replaced with 'KEDAR JADHAV' - who averages 50+ & Sr of 110 (in domestic). Raina needs to perform or go home. Ishant & Ashwin need to be replaced due to consistently inconsistent performance. Ishant can be replaced with Aaron / Yadav / Sandeep Sharma. Ashwin can be replaced by Amit Mishra / Ali Murtaza / Harmeet Singh / Vishal Bhatia / Iresh Saxena / Rahul Sharma / Iqbal Abdullah & last but not the least Pravin Tambe. India has talent !!! Right opportunities need to be given to the right people. MSD needs to be a ruthless captain & remove non performing players , only then will INDIA be No 1 in all formats.

Posted by   on (January 24, 2014, 6:01 GMT)

its nice to see dhawan fail. Arrogance was getting the better of this south paw. Making fun of watson and over the board celebrations after getting hundreds on flat Indian pitches were just the storm before the lull. I won't be surprised if gets dropped after the New Zealand series. But we never know. Our beloved captain Dhoni is a slow learner and might keep giving him opportunity after opportunity like ishant. Rohits place is in the middle order or out of the Indian team.

Posted by   on (January 24, 2014, 3:59 GMT)

Whatever Dhoni said doesn't convince at all. If Rohit/Dhawan/Raina are not in form/unable to play short balls in overseas, how can they give u better start in batting, this is ridiculous thinking. Also, he's still trying to backup Ashwin/Jadeja/Ishant. If you want to give them more chances incl Rohit/Dhawan/Raina, let them play with WI, ZIM, PAK, SL, BAN pitches & prove themselves. Don't give chances on gud teams/overseas pitches like AUS, SA, NZ, ENG which doesn't give any value to India & even u as Captain. Only luck is surrounding you for last few years. Now ur captaincy will be in trouble for sure. Give chances to Ohja, Binny, Rayudu, Mishra, Aaron, Yadav, Jaffer(tests).

Posted by Smack2000 on (January 24, 2014, 2:47 GMT)

Only Dhoni and Kholi would get selected for the New Zealand side. With no decent spinners on the horizon for India, their perpetual lack of fast bowlers will surely see them become the laughing stock of world cricket within the next 12-18 months.

Posted by   on (January 24, 2014, 2:07 GMT)

Rohit sharma is not in form and his eye speaks often. He is not performing outside india. Selectors should wake up after seeing his perforamce. Ishant sharma also not in good form at all. Just running and bowling wont sever the issue. Ashwin should be dropped.

Posted by   on (January 24, 2014, 2:03 GMT)

Rohit,dhawan,ishant and raina has not delivered inspite of many chances they've got. It's better to move on and bring in some fresh faces.. Though we may loose the series we will get to know our bench strength. It's just useless wasting time for these players over and over again they have got many chances in England, aus, sa and now New Zealand.. We can give chances to players like rasool, ishwar pandey, aaron, umesh, rayudu and pujara.. Lets try out some fresh faces for serious cricket. We can't see these old players failing over and over again! It's better to loose a series trying out with fresh faces rather than giving chances to these old players to re-discover their form. As a honest Indian cricket fan I request bcci, team management, selectors and Indian captain dhoni..

Posted by Nampally on (January 24, 2014, 1:56 GMT)

M.S.Dhoni- please change your attention from various New excuses to the real Cause for the Indian defeats in both the ODI's. Simple answer is Corey Anderson. First he destroyed the Indian bowling with S/R of over 200 in scoring 68* & 48 & followed this severe mauling with 3 wkt. tally with his seamers. Remove Anderson's contribution & reanalyse the result- India wins both the ODI's, Admittedly Indian openers played badly & were very slow. But in the final analysis if Anderson was dismissed early for <10, India would have won. Focus on Anderson & Rochi- contain them or get them out. Various ways: 1. Attack outside off stump with packed off side field + 2 deep leg side fielders.2. Bowl perfect Yorkers 3. Rising balls outside the off stump or Just attack the off stump with awkward length. Real pace of Aaron or Yadev or Shami will be needed. Also Ross Taylor was very shaky but somehow scored. Get him out early. India needs new strategies NOT excuses. Justify your $ Million Pay!

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 21:47 GMT)

Huge dhoni fan but somehow im disappointed with his consistently wrong team selection. Pacers like umesh yadav, varun aaron should be given more games. 2 spinners doesnt make sense specially with ashwin failin consistenly. Ishant Sharma doesnt deserve any more chances, B. Kumar is a genuine swing bowler and is helpless without swing. No matter rohit sharma had a great 2013 but d guy aint fit for foreign soil wid his laid back stance, slow starts r causing india crucial games now. Gambhir is the man for d job, he cant bat at no. 4 as well in place of inconsistent rahane!

Posted by boomslanger on (January 23, 2014, 19:23 GMT)

Dhoni should have set a target at Sneddon's instead of chasing. That would have ALSO given his batsmen a chance to play freely without having to look at a big score hovering over their head as the sword of Damocles. If you look at how the openers have got out in this series so far and the series in SA and India (vs. West Indies ), It has been caught, Caught, caught, (deep/mid field) bowled (Trying to slog), run out and caught again. No LBWs or caught behind/slips. I would not rate this as the opener's failure, but Dhoni's stubbornness to chase always, no matter what. At Sneddon Park, it was obvious it was going to rain and D/L might come to play. The Black Caps must have sniggered amongst themselves as Dhoni chose to field. Is Dhoni losing his flexibility and credibility as old age sets in?

Posted by thunda.masala on (January 23, 2014, 17:39 GMT)

OK guys, STOP talking about flat wickets and moving balls. Indian batsmen have shown that they are as capable as the other team. Actually, they are better than the other team because the other team didn't face good sharp bowlers. Of course, there has been one big exception- Rohit F. Sharma.

Now, if we concentrate on Indian bowlers, that is a different story. Indian bowling has been toyed with in a similar manner by two teams of completely different caliber. Yes, I am talking about South Africa and New Zealand. I am worrying the test series since even shelved bowlers will be called back to duty. Go figure!

Posted by jaieeshkq on (January 23, 2014, 15:23 GMT)

New Zealand's Attack does not deserve the respect which the Indian Openers are giving them .Rohit Sharma realizes after facing twenty balls that he is awake. He is going in with an outright negative attitude,a terribly slow starter.All momentum of an innings is built or destroyed in the first 8-9 overs.Get Back Sehwag,He never lost India a match scoring slowly and won India many and still can....

Posted by Naresh28 on (January 23, 2014, 14:15 GMT)

INDIA - has bowlers who are capable of better speeds. Some will never get to play - ATUL SHARMA, RAHUL SHUKLA, VRV SINGH, PANKAJ SINGH, ABID NABI. Latest is a youngster only 20 - Umar Nazir. There seems to be no one supporting these guys or even an academy. Some are gone forever like NABI - a guy with the build of Shiob Akhtar. We then have another tier of players like Aaron, Yadav - who just dont get the chance despite being selected. Sreesanth was such a great talented bowler - but got no support. Its not the batting but bowling that is lacking.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 13:17 GMT)

I have solution for this problem which is India must not play outside india because this will happen to their batsman who have the reputation of scoring double tons in india and chasing 360 in 43 overs with the loss of 1 wkt.

Posted by santik on (January 23, 2014, 12:41 GMT)

@Anand Jakhotia Baring few games means, all games starting the SA tour..?.. the conditions in NZ were not the same few years ago..pitches are slow.. you don't need 50 overs to adjust to the conditions.. how can kohli score a century in more than run a ball in his first match in NZ..?.. even goni was scoring freely.. you need application.. scoring tons on flat beds home doesn't make any sense.. Rohit Sharma is talented but need to apply himself.. he has been given more than enough chances.. he can go back to his game, work out and comeback stronger.. Rahane definitely showed better application and he should be given a chance to open the innings. and pls no more sir jaddu/ashwin.. you dnt need 2 specialist spinners.. Binny should be given a chance..

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 12:23 GMT)

@Patties1984 .........India always required to score 7 rpo meaning only batsmen with 100 + SR can do the job ..................Slow player will immediately raise required SR to above 10 making it only worse for men to come

Posted by realfan on (January 23, 2014, 12:20 GMT)

lol... is he really the captain??? the is protecting his pet bowlers by blaming them on batsmen??? lol.... even a new born baby can say the problem is with bowling, but mr.dhoni is blind.... in every indian matches the score reaches 290+ and india alomost chases that, thats understood that no problem is there with batting department.... look at every other matches, scores hardly rech 260+, irrespective of conditions.... its bowling ( especially the overs between 15-35 ) that needs to be looked into... those overs are mainly bowled by ashwin and ishant who can be milked by a school boy easily with eyes closed.. get one boler who can get one or two wickets in that period and look at the change that happens.... instead of doing that , lol dhoni is doing blame game... batsmen ahve been chasing massive score and you want them to chase more??? this surely adds to the pressure on the batsmen even more... we cant expect 290+ totals to be chased all the time.... let the bowlers do the work...

Posted by realfan on (January 23, 2014, 12:13 GMT)

lol... Mr. dhoni , its not the openers who are failing, its your fav bowlerts that pick their game up.batsmen cant win you matches all the time.these openers are doing got to think something about the bowling department.its always like chasing 300 inevery match regardless of the conditions, and batsmen fail because of the run rate pressure.everyone cant be virat to do all the job... batsmen are doing what they have to do.think about ashwin and ishnat first...ashwin is total wate of a player in odi.he just got 1 wicket in last 5 odis, and less talk the better about ishant.its like this... 1-10 overs shami pickes one or two wickts, bhuvi control runs, later comes our big man ishant , changes the complexion of game in just one over, and then comes ashwin , batsmen just milk them in the middle over, in between that jaddu picks one or two wickets with reasonable economy... and then starts the deeath overs, again shami picks wickets and everyone go for runs... lol...

Posted by cricwar4184 on (January 23, 2014, 11:41 GMT)

Send Rehane as opner and remove Ashwin and ishant (our BCCI Damad) and take Binny and ishwar pandey. dhoni's selection is good but not giving the opportunity is little scared...

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 11:33 GMT)

All the ppl criticizing the indian team especially the openers either don't know the game or just don't like the players. its tough for any opening pair to score more than 7 per over everytime you go out to bat. It is to their credit that in such a short span, they have done incredibly well baring last few matches. With due respect to pujara & rahane fans, for the sake of demo, give these two blokes a chance to open under same conditions &u'll know the truth. pujara fared badly against ZIMBABAWE, and rahane scored o,o,5 against England in subcontinent against England while opening. rohit-dhawan r well-ahead of any opening pair contenders in india at the moment.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 11:25 GMT)

I think dhoni is putting the blame somewhere else. Its our bowling which is leaking runs thereby leaving mountain of runs to climb for the openers. its nothing but score-board pressure. agreed our openers dint fare well in last few matches. But lets b realistic. u cant expect them to go slambang everytime. they need to adapt to the conditions & bowling. adding to their woes, in last ten matches they r required to score more than run a ball which is no joke, no matter how good a player u are. I think this is the best opening combination in comtemporary cricket at the moment. I think dhoni should bat first & allow the openers to flourish.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 11:24 GMT)

They are not new opening pair, they know thier role very well, it happens and also this pair is certain for the world cup, so they are ones to judge their abiltiy and move on two loses not a factor to push the panic button, we should build stage by stage and then the middle order and then the tail who are too good batters so all going well as planned., Dhoni will have his last laugh when all goes well and we start winning.

Posted by sandeepknk on (January 23, 2014, 11:23 GMT)

dhoni dhoni dhoni,everywhere dhoni, i think allmost all cricket lovers boring dhonis leadership, he always trying to promote his favorite players like jadeja,aswin etc. i have one question to dhoni that ,yuvraj is the second wicket taker 4 india in last world cup,but dhoni did not give atleast one over to him last two series,it is very clear that did not want yuvraj in the team,bcz if yuvraj get wickets ,dhonis csk team mate sir jadeja will out,and one more question ,an opposition bowler fear who > jadeja? or yuvraj?, so why not use yuvraj at number 7 position.bcci plz try some other man to captain india since dhoni got more than enough time to captain india.

Posted by Gladiatorthrone on (January 23, 2014, 10:52 GMT)

I blame my own countrymen who selected such political influenced team or bad selection . Whatever just what Rohit sharma doing here,after so many chances he will keep failing and when it comes home he fires few hundreds and justifies. He's clearly not match winner not better than sehwag. His strike rate and calm lazy movement gives me blood pressure.For ODI:- 1.Shikhar Dhawan 2.Robin Uthappa 3.Virat kohli(VC)4.Rahane5.YuvrajSingh6.Raina7.Dhoni(C)8.Ashwin 9.Shami 10.Bhuv kumar 11.Unadkat (Sub) 12.Irfan pathan 13.Jadeja 14.ishwar pandey/zaheer 15.Dinesh karthick We have beautiful T20 side:- 1.Sehwag 2.Uthappa 3.Kohli 4.Yuvraj(VC) 5.Raina 6.Yusuf pathan 7.Dhoni(C) 8.Rahul sharma 9.Bhuv kumar 10.Shami 11.Irfan pathan sub 12.Dhawan 13.Jadeja 14.Mohit sharma 15.Binny Test side:- 1.Shikar dhawan 2.Vijay 3.Pujara(VC) 4.Rohit sharma 5.Virat kohli(C) 6.Badrinath 7.Dinesh karthick 8.Amit mishra 9.Zaheer khan 10.Shami 11.Ishwar pandey 12.Ishant sharma 13.Rahane 14.ashwin 15.Umesh yadav

Posted by HonestyMatters on (January 23, 2014, 10:23 GMT)

The Indian approach towards defeats, of late, has become a lot more scientific, if not downright technical. Not only has this helped them in managing finer expectations of the massive Indian followership, not mentioning calming several nerves down, but also leading them into a soul-searching self-introspection often resulting in profound answers to seemingly delicate points of interest (evident from Dhoni's analysis - or perhaps team's collective analysis mouthed through Dhoni). All of this not only engages the followers, but also gives them (at least me) a sense of belief in the current team. Although, I cannot watch them losing, but I can hardly stand them being "clueless".

Posted by santik on (January 23, 2014, 9:59 GMT)

@Jatin Sutaria Shastri will always support Goni and Rohit.. I read a column by Gavaskar today(in a Malayalam paper) where he criticized Goni for this team selection and tactics.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 23, 2014, 9:54 GMT)

@Jatin Sutaria, thanks for quoting me. If my memory serves me right, Gavaskar said, "Probably India should look at changing the personnel for the next match". This was as soon as the match was over. I guess, even Gavaskar has had enough. It is obvious to everybody that the problem is personnel. Consequently, it is also obvious to everybody that whoever doesn't say that the problem is personnel, is obviously lying, like this buffoon Dhoni. And Ajay Jadeja on sony six was like - "Don't even talk of Ishant. It's a given that he has to go". So, there you go, it is just obvious to everybody, across the board. So, it is just inadequate journalism that they don't put obvious follow-up questions when Dhoni blabbers. When Dhoni talks of 1st and last ball fours, openers and all of those intricate details, I would just tell him, how about looking at the incapable personnel first? The micro-details will take care of themselves when we have personnel with proper skills. It's a simple discussion!

Posted by Patties1984 on (January 23, 2014, 9:20 GMT)

We need solid openers. Dhoni & Kohli both avgd around 50 in domestic , they are showing their class in international. Its time to select players averaging around 50 in domestic odi competitions.1> Kedar jadav is the new Sehwag in the making (1000 runs at a Sr of around 80 in Ranji this season). We need a solid opener along with Kedar like South Africa has Amla. We already have Pujara who is our Amla & can make 50-75 runs every game giving us a solid start. I think Pujara & Kedar should be our new openers specially in NZ , AUS , ENG & SA.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 9:12 GMT)

@ Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist "So, why does Dhoni beat around the bush? If he didn't see these simple things that I could see, then he is either incredibly stupid or a dishonest bloke. I personally am of the opinion that he is lying through his teeth and is blatantly dishonest in being able to put a straight face through all this. "

Exactly my sentiments.

But I am surprised why the Gavaskars and Shastris, since they matter, are not voicing their criticism on the same as this is quite obvious.

Posted by SamRoy on (January 23, 2014, 9:07 GMT)

I know Pujara in ODIs will be awesome but given his knee I don't want him to play ODIs. I have said enough Dhoni and his team selections in this forum. As a fan is it too much to expect an honest opinion from the captain of India? Sack Dhoni from test captaincy and give test captaincy to Pujara. Drop Ishant and zak from test team forever. Drop Ishant from ODIs as well forever. My ODI team overseas will be Dhawan, Gambhir, Kohli, Rahane/Yuvi, Dhoni(captain), Raina/Rayudu, Rishi/Irfan/Binny, Rahul Sharma/Bhajji, B Kumar, Shami, Umesh Yadav/Aaron. My test team overseas will be Vijay, Dhawan/Gambhir, Pujara(captain), Kohli, Rahane, Rohit/Rayudu, Saha/Yagnik, Jadeja, B Kumar/Ishwar, Shami, Umesh Yadav.

Posted by santik on (January 23, 2014, 9:04 GMT)

Why only the openers..?.. Dhoni has to be responsible for the latest defeat.. How on earth can he play with 6 bowlers(Jadeja sir is not more than a bowler) in NZ conditions..?.. Rohit Sharma can play only in subcontinent conditions.. After repeated failures, he is still persisted with the opening slot.. Rahane should have been tried. At least he was trying to play some shots.. Or may be Viru is far better.. :-).. He will score or get out.. Now neither they score or get out.. Ishant Sharma has to be dropped for life..

Why can't he bat after winning the toss..?.. He thinks he can chase 400..?.. This is not India boss..The current Indian team is very ordinary one and plays well only in subcontinent conditions..Barring Kohli, we don't have any single class player.. Don't worry goni will win Asia cup in Dhaka and everything will be back..

Posted by Shainky-Vivek on (January 23, 2014, 8:42 GMT)

Pujara, Gambhir, Zaheer, Yuvraj , Irfan & Harbhajan should be in world Cup Team, as world cup will held in Austrailia & Newzealand. My Idea Squad would be for World Cup 1. Dhwan ( Opener Batsman), 2. Rohit ( Opener /Middle), 3. Gambhir (opener/Can bat at No.3 also), 4. Pujara ( Opener / or No.3 Batsman) 5. kohli (no.3/or no.4), 6. Raina ( only for No.6), 7. Yuvraj ( No.5 /No.6) 8. Dhoni ( No.5/No.6), 9. R.Jadeja (spinner), 10. Harbhajan (Spinner), 11. Zaheer ( F.Bow), 12. Shami ( F.B), 13. U.Yadav ( F.B), 14. B.Kumar ( F.B), 15. I.Pathan ( All Rounder)

My Last Ideal Playing XI would be:( 4 fielder Rule) 1. Gambhir, 2. Rohit/Dhawan, 3. Kohli, 4. Pujara, 5. Yuvraj, 6.Dhoni 7. I.Pathan, 8. R.Jadeja 9. H.Singh 10. Z.Khan 11. M.Shami

My Last XI would be If ( 5 fielder rule will Come) 1. Gambhir, 2. Rohit/Dhwan, 3. Kohli, 4. Paujara, 5.Yuvraj, 6. Dhoni, 7. Raina, 8. Harbhajan, 9. Zaheer, 10. Shami, 11. Umesh

We should not think about individuals, we should about the balance of Team

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 8:31 GMT)

Consistent high scoring has been happening only in Indian matches on all tracks worldwide. The same tracks however look lively in non-Indian matches producing only low totals… The fact of the matter is, exactly same happens on Indians tracks too & It might surprise many that even avg ODI inns totals on Indian (so called flat) tracks (excluding Indian matches) is only 240, which is no different than world-wide tracks. Pak, on last tour of India, conceded 200 below totals in all 3 ODIs. This clearly proves that Indian tracks r not flat at all.

Same is true with ODI rules: as Avg team totals (in non Indian matches) have hardly changed since ODI rules change. Only Indian bowling is getting more thrashing.

This clearly proves that Indian analysts wrongly blame ODI rules change & Indian tracks to be batting friendly. It is only due to the combination of exceptional Indian batting & very poor Indian bowling that Indian matches are high scoring & scores getting even higher since rules change

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 8:27 GMT)

Dear friends, pls stop your comments, Mr Dhoni well know whom to give chances in coming matches. Definitly his playing eleven will be , rohit/shikar/kohli/rahane/raina/dhoni/jadu/ashwin/ishant/bhuvi/shami.means same eleven. Dear Amit mishra/binny/Ishwar pandey/others pls plan one week tour to see some places in NZ and AUS, any way Dhoni not going to give a single chance.Dear selectors only select 11 players in the squad, dhoni not going to change the players, then why wasting time of extra 4 players.may he will say next time kohli not score 200 and shami not take 8 wickets thats why team loss.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 8:05 GMT)

I think its time to have separate teams for test, ODI's and T20's. Look at Aussies, SA they never use Siddle or a Philandar for ODI's. Likewise we should focus Ashwin only for Tests and may be Harbajan or Amit mishra for ODI's so that their skill doesnot get rotten because exposing to different format. Ishanth too if he plays in future it must be in Test only. For ODI's he doesn't bat or field, his bowling already a big set back for Team India. Binny should also be tried in seaming conditions ahead of Jadeja as he is getting exposed both in bowling & batting in these conditions.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 23, 2014, 8:03 GMT)

Finally, in the long-run, these intense pressure cooker situations on the batsmen are only going to break them down, mentally. It'll be a vicious downward spiral which will finally push them into self-doubt about their own skills. When the internal coterie is this strong a mafia, the new players who will be drafted in will feel very unwelcome and they will feel the heat right from the word go. To facilitate their smooth entry into international cricket, Dhoni needs to be dropped altogether and I think I was wrong in saying that he should be left at the mercy of Captain Kohli. My stand isn't going to get influenced if India wins a game or two with the current madness and lies that we are being dished out match after match.

It is beyond any sane explanation to think that Dhoni doesn't see what we are seeing. His politics will destroy the current players' careers in the long-run and many bright careers are not seeing the light of the day. They continue to warm the benches! Utter shame!

Posted by Dinkepo on (January 23, 2014, 7:47 GMT)

I have few doubts on indian players like RS.IS.Dhawan ect,. Why they didn't play like what they perform inIPL matches where screaming when out,scrawling and diving to caught the ball! If they selected for indian team,just ignore their talent and sprit except few players such as Virat others just relax even they produce worst performance which leads continue losing of text as well as nation because they know very well their captain won't loose them even take 0 run / 0 wkt for whole series.

Posted by soumyas on (January 23, 2014, 7:40 GMT)

why is he blaming it on openers only ? when some 20-30 quick runs needed and when it mattered most dhoni's friends Raina,Jadeja failed miserably. he should learn to admit his mistakes of opting for those who failed repeatedly.

Posted by imtiazjaleel on (January 23, 2014, 7:34 GMT)

Maybe Dhoni had tried to put NZ batsman under pressure by selecting to bat first. When u are batting first there is no pressure to the batsman.They don't have any target in their minds and hence are playing freely even they lost their openers quickly in both the matches. Our openers has to go from the word go and that is putting lot of pressure on Rohit and Dhawan and getting out to loose shots.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 7:33 GMT)

Even Aus/SA/NZ teams find out what is the weeklinks in indian side, also millions of cricket fans find out our weekness, still only Dhoni have no idea what is our problem.Why selecters selected Binny/aron, because one is alrounder, another is fast bowler, they are use ful in nz conditions. But still dhoni likes ashwin/ishant. he think if opposition made 500 runs also, we have shikar/rohit/kohli they will score 450 in 40 overs and dhoni/raina/jadu can score balance 50 in 10 overs.because of jadeja in the side,we are playing with 5 batsman. Just think if we have one extra batsman in the side, at no 7, like yuvi/uttappa last 2 matches result will india lead by 2-0.Dhoni not use yuvi for bowling, becasue he knows if he get 2 -3 wickets, than selectors drop raina.yuvi still good player at no 6 or 7 can bowl 5-7 overs.if no change in the side in coming 3 matches result will be 5-0 and kohli get man of the series.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 23, 2014, 7:17 GMT)

Solution: 1) Sack Dhoni from captaincy and leave him at the mercy of the Captain Kohli. Kohli should not mouth-off unnecessarily at opposition players. Give and take respect. 2) DK gets his rightful place. 3) Good-bye to Raina. Rayudu gets his rightful place. 4) Good-bye to Nohit. Rahane HAS to open. 5) Pujara gets the spot vacated by Rahane's promotion. 6) Good-bye to Jadeja. Binny gets his rightful place. 7) Good-bye to Ashwin. Mishra gets his rightful place. 8) Good-bye to Ishant. Umesh or Varun should get to play.

If India loses, well let them. Aren't we losing now anyway?

As per Dhoni, everything is wrong with Indian cricket except him, his tactics and his trusted comrades. Sometimes Nohit is the problem, sometimes Dhawan is the problem, sometimes it is Bhuvi and at times it is the ground conditions, but nothing wrong with his poster boys. Is he serious? And he affirms that India is now a settled unit! He couldn't be serious there! There are lies and then there is Dhoni talking!

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 7:12 GMT)

As Per Mr Dhoni , still no problem for Ishant/raina/jadu/ashwin,they all are doing good job.Now he is started to blame openers.Ok , last match they not able to give a big start, but dont forget the same openers lead india in 2013 to big wins, along with kohli, in Champions tropy/Aus series etc.What is the use of Ashwin now, not able to get a single wicket, then raina is better , even he can bowl 10 overs.Jadeja still better bowler than ashwin, also good fielder.In overseas condition 2 spinners is really waste, that we already saw in SA and NZ.and now dhoni is saying death bowling is improved, last match they givon 100 runs in last 8 overs, this is improvement.dhoni is giving 1 million chances to some players like, rohit/ashwin/jadu/ishant, but not give more than 2 chances to some players like, DK/rahane/yuvi/poojara.India should find a good right hand opener along with shikar. next playing 11 rahane/shikar/kohli/rohit/dhoni/raina/binny/jadu/buvi/shami/aron.and pls select batting first

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 7:02 GMT)

the openers batting longer would have made things even worse. how long they already batted was bad enough

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 23, 2014, 7:01 GMT)

Just giving a little attention to what Dhoni says, I shudder to think he is the captain of Team India! Simple things that any proper leader must be able to see. Moron Singh Dhoni's flaws: 1) Indian bowling is weak and so it is better for the strong batting to chase down a score. WRONG. Indian batting is weak too. 2) No respect for score-board pressure - Asking the opposition to bat against a horrendous Indian bowling is akin to suicide. NZ batsmen have no score-board pressure working against them and Ishant is working for them, religiously, day in and day out. Likewise, the score-board pressure is too much to bear for the weak Indian batting against a very decent NZ bowling and fielding.

So, why does Dhoni beat around the bush? If he didn't see these simple things that I could see, then he is either incredibly stupid or a dishonest bloke. I personally am of the opinion that he is lying through his teeth and is blatantly dishonest in being able to put a straight face through all this.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 7:01 GMT)

@gothamknight "the indian bowlers, especially ishant, leave too much work for the batsmen. India need their bowlers to win games for them too instead of putting all the responsibility on the batters. That is why NZ has been winning - their bowlers can step up when needed"

Well said mate! Exactly my sentiments and that of many who follow this game.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 6:59 GMT)

Very sad to see such a pathetic indian team.After 90's this is our worst team in outside india. Opener Dhawan & Rohith Middle Order non consistent rain,jadeja and rahane.Slow but find some runner like dhoni. And very poor baller like ashwin,I Sharma. Only depender like kohli in batting and shami in bowling

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 6:57 GMT)

For some reasons Dhoni always seem to blame batting for failures in bowling. It was our lame bowling, primarily Ishant Sharma, that was responsible to give opposition 30+ more runs than they deserved. Infact it is not just this game but is a trend we observe since last 20 odd matches. It is simply not fair to ask our batsmen to deliver the goods, in fact more than that, to cover the deficiencies of our bowlers, form of openers notwithstanding.

The key problem as I see it is lame selection. No where in the world you see 2 spinners play on a pitch that offers nothing to them. Then comes Ishant Sharma. I wonder what he needs to do to be dropped. He plays 1 good game in 8 and hangs around for 8 more games. Its not that we don't have options - Aaron and Yadav are as fast but as raw as you get. But if you don't play them how the hell are they going to gain experience.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 6:53 GMT)

SlSlinga are kidding? Anyways Indian batsmen are far better than SL batsmen.

Posted by here2rock on (January 23, 2014, 6:51 GMT)

This will be my team overseas, Shewag, Dhawan, Gambir, Kohli, Rohit, (captain), Dhoni, Irfan Pathan, Jadeja, B Kumar, Shami, Yadav. M Vijay as a backup, I will drop Raina and Ishant from my team . I will relieve Dhoni from leadership role as he is too rigid and predictable. He does not divert from pre-set idea of batting second every match. In these parts of the world it makes more sense to bat first and bowl at night time. When the ball does a bit more.

Posted by Bdcricketdebator on (January 23, 2014, 6:45 GMT)

It is great to watch this associate level team strugling to play is irony that india is blocking the likes of uganda and png to enter in their place.uganda has far better batsmen and bowlers than india.i hope uganda get a chance ahead of india.

Posted by Jeysamuel on (January 23, 2014, 6:43 GMT)

Rohit played more than 100 innings to build and reputation and in couple of games he is falling behind, may be Dhoni thinks he need to be given another 100 innings to live up to the reputation he created.

He is a good MI player and not an Indian player. He played consistent in a pitch where AUS get 350+ each and every time they came to bat. We should look at the performance in a bowling track and give the name "talented kid". Like Jadeja getting 300+ in Ranji, Rohit can score in India... Team selection and captain need to think

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 6:43 GMT)

What surprises is the body language of Rohit, Dhawan, Ashwin, Ishant looks very depressing,,,as if they have lost the world and they are here just to complete some formalities,, Though Kohli is over aggressive but he performs,, and his aggression helps him to command over bowlers,,,, I hope Ambati, Binni does not end their career as just 12th man,,,,

Posted by TheAnalyzer on (January 23, 2014, 6:36 GMT)

@Santosh_G_Vashista: LOL who are you man?? India scored 277 in 41.3 so india is the winner?? wow man great.. NZ didnt know it was going to be a 42 overs match till they played 33 overs.. So thats why DL comes and increases some runs for the batting 1st side.. India knew it was 42 over match from their very 1st over.. NZ played 3/4 of their inning as they planned initially.. (for a 50 over match) so DL must come.. Dont be a baby man.. LOL.. If you guys cant play in NZ,, you will be thrashed by AUS in 2015.. So called world champion india will loose to AUS, SA, ENG, NZ.. We know it.. You know it.. Everyone knows that you cant even come to the semi finals in 2015 world cup.. Cheerrrrrrrs.

Posted by JustIPL on (January 23, 2014, 6:19 GMT)

Indians have been too one dimensional by just trying to chase everytime. India now should also set the targets which myte change their game plan and winning chances. The slogans of "chasers" and "finishers" have gone ineffective at bit. On the other hand aussies have developed marvelous finishers like faulkner and maxwell. Which very rightly puts aussies on top of the table. Change of bowling lineup may also save few runs for a successful chase.

Posted by rakaiaroyal on (January 23, 2014, 6:18 GMT)

Geez, how about a bit of credit to the opposition? What a whinger Dhoni is. He blamed D/L for favouring the team batting first despite history clearly showing this isn't the case. And even if it was, rain was imminent and the toss was won by?? Maybe once again India proving what a terrible team they are on the road when the pitches are doctored to accommodate an Indian 10 man spin attack

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (January 23, 2014, 6:15 GMT)

How are your buddies Ishant and Ashwin doing dhoni?

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 6:01 GMT)

India team selection need to change if raina and kohli is bowling more than 7 over then what's the need of both jadeja and aswin one should be replaced by binny /Raydu. They are just increasing the length of batting tale. If india had one more batsman the result might be different (surely india missing yuvaraj - batsman + part time bowling ).Ishant sharma could be replaced with ishwar pandey or varon arun. Indian batting did not tried to score more than 8 or 9 run in an over so pressure was consistent during the chase. If they tried to target one/ two bowler and scored 15 or more runs in couple of overs the target could have chased down easily, by doing that they could have pushed the kiwi bowlers out of their comfort zone. Scoring 8 or 9 here and there never put any bowling unit under pressure so that kiwi bowlers was able to execute their plan.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 6:01 GMT)

Dhawan,Gambhir,Kohli,Pujara,Rahane/Raydu,Dhoni,Jadeja/Binny,Varun/IP,Umesh,Shami & Ashwin/Mishara/Ojha/Harbhajan

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 5:52 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni please stop blaming batsman even though they are inconsistent atleast they are performing sometimes.....why you are not still commenting or blaming the bowling department expect shami and bhuvi no other bowlers deserve the place...(plz drop ashwin let him learn new techniques...he is easily read by the bowlers...Instead of jadeja bring some seaming allrounder....Ishanth don't deserve to play even domestic cricket...

Posted by 777aditya on (January 23, 2014, 5:50 GMT)

I thought Dhoni was smarter than this, but this is plain rubbish. What business does he have condemning batsmen when it is batsmen alone who have carried the burden for more than a year now?! The real problem area is bowling. Apart from Shami and to an extent BK, everyone else is just trying to contain. This is not how cricket should be played. Bowlers should bowl to get batsmen out, even if it is limited overs cricket. This bad habit of containing naturally passes in Team India's test assignments and they regularly fail to get 20 wickets.

Posted by ProdigyA on (January 23, 2014, 5:49 GMT)

@dravid_Pujara - bullseye.

Posted by Sandeep Kumar Nune on (January 23, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

There are few things to be noticed in Indian squad 1. Ishanth Sharma is not bowling at his best, it happens in career. Try Stuart Binny in place of Ishanth for couple of ODI's, you may get one more batting option with same medium pace. 2. India down 2-0, if Dhoni really wants to save India now. Try something new like changing Rahane as Opener in place of Rohit and get Stuart Binny for middle order.(Another bowling option) and Iswar pandey in place of Ishanth. These changes can give chance to young players like Iswar pandey and Binny. 3. Another important point is "Why Rayudu hasn't been tested as Rohit is flopping from last 7 ODI's?" He may get retired when these captain and coach come to know his value.

Posted by sammysam on (January 23, 2014, 5:42 GMT)

WRONG DHONI. Its not the batting but the bowling which is your problem. Drop Ishant and bring in some young bowlers. Drop Ashwin & Raina when abroad too. For overseas conditions you need a leg spinner.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 5:41 GMT)

Time has arrived to bring back Sehwag & Gambhir combination as it has became very hard to score quick runs in any format of the game for the openers in recent times especially when India is playing in Overseas...I hope selectors should have to give an oppurtunity to Sehwag and Gambhir as they have proved as destructive batsmen and match winners for numeros times....

Posted by ProdigyA on (January 23, 2014, 5:33 GMT)

Some people talk about Rohit be brought to middle order. Have u all Mr. Nohit played almost 100 matches in the middle order after which he was promoted to open. So pls drop this joker and the other Sharma too, have rahane open and rayudu in the middle order. Replace IS with Aaron/Pandey and jaddu with mishra Wanna say Binny but TBH he should have never been on this tour in the first place).

Posted by Akshay_mehta1 on (January 23, 2014, 5:21 GMT)

need another whitewash to open up BCCI eyes .. well saying that 8-0 test disaster did have any effects so hopes for Indian fans are very grim

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 5:21 GMT)

ohho! India is adjusting to the conditions in NZ. Please wait till last match of the series, they will fight back in that match. So Poor, they take so much time to adjust overseas conditions that series get over.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 5:19 GMT)

Dhoni and team management should understand that Rohit is make shift opener we need specialist this strategy will only work in sub continent pitches Rohit is best suited for No 4 as per all comment Jadeja Ishant Raina they are getting to much chance if you are not selecting player like Ishwar pandey & Varun Aron at least for one match on this pitches then there is no change they are going to perform in others,

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 5:10 GMT)

Dhoni should be appreciated for many of his match winning innings and decisions made by him as a captain in past. This team is totally unbalanced.India is carrying burdens of 2 Sharms's for the past few years. What was Ishant Sharmas contribution to indian cricket last 2 years? in fact he helped opposition to win few matches by giving 30 odd runs in last overs. Rohit sharma has been a burden for long time. By giving chances and by experimenting he completed 100 ODI's. He scored a 200 and on that basis he will easily play another 100 ODI's. Gambhir is the best opening batsman available in india now. Why he is not considered? also, why Aaron and Yadhav were selected and taken to NL? Feel pity on these guys while there chances are taken by not performing Ishant and Rohit. Kick out Rohit and let Rahane open the innings. on current situation a whites wash i NL is possible.

Posted by gajanan_londhe on (January 23, 2014, 5:06 GMT)

Dhoni is blaming batsman's?. He even don't know what is going wrong.consider from AUS odi series and check how many time indian bowler have give >300 run. then you will realise from whatever india has lost 80-90% matches are lost due to bowlers bad performance. and now reasons for bowlers bad performances are 1. They have not quality, the are just Medicare. 2. what ever india have bowler resource dhoni is not able to pick-up right one and not able to utilise them(if you have watched matched, check dhoni's fields allowed look too defensive ). India is loosing is funy, but dhoni's reasos make it funnier.

Posted by cricket_lover1 on (January 23, 2014, 4:58 GMT)

Drop Ishant, Rohit and Raina at least for few matches...

Posted by TheOnlyEmperor on (January 23, 2014, 4:54 GMT)

India has got its team all wrong. Ishant should be retired immediately from internationals, after all he has been given a chance to improve for the past 5 years! Rohit lacks conistency and all perceived talent is useless if there's no consistency. Rohit cannot consume 24 balls to score 3 runs when the team needs to chase 291 in the first ODI. In the 2nd ODI he was responsible along with Dhawan for scoring only 10 off the first 5 overs when the team needed 298 off 42 overs. This sort of batting is stupid. I cannot fathom why Pujara is being kept out of the ODI squad. He can definitely score at a fast clip, can anchor the innings, build partnerships and be the mainstay along with Kohli in India's batting line-up. Rahane is no ODI player. The India batting line-up for ODIs : Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Raina, Rohit, Dhoni, Binny, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami. We need 2 spinners in the ODIs. Bhuvi will learn and can swing, Shami is consistent. Gambhir- Pujara for good stable starts!

Posted by bijuphilip on (January 23, 2014, 4:51 GMT)

can some one tell me why pujara is not in the team? jadeja and aswin are not hard hitters,may be they can play up the order. dawan,kholi,rahane,jadeja,raidu,dhoni,rohit,raina,binny,kumar.shami, rohit and raina should bowl 5 over each. what u guys think?

Posted by rudro323 on (January 23, 2014, 4:46 GMT)

happy to see the position of current indian team.selfish captain who is satisfied with his own gang.never want to loose some bogus player.carry on.

Posted by rajatha on (January 23, 2014, 4:41 GMT)

I think lot of partiality is going in team, we need batsmen like Faulkner at the low order why dont give a Chance to Irfan pathan who is best in Bowling and batting inplace of Ishanth Sharma and YUvi inplace of Jadeja...than only our Bowlimg & Batting will Improve.

Posted by Yousafahmed11 on (January 23, 2014, 4:39 GMT)

It is wrong team selection than the batsmen. Dhoni should stop protecting Ishant, Aswin and Rohit and give warnings to Jadeja and Dhavan to use their brain. Lot of youngsters like Chand, Samson, Zol , Razool etc are waiting outside. You cannot protect and give more chances to players who played at least 25 games.

Posted by Noughtt40 on (January 23, 2014, 4:38 GMT)

Even better Dhoni should have asked the NZ cricket board to import a pitch from India for his openers to perform. Barring Kohli everyone else are just flat track bullies.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 4:25 GMT)

@McGorium. I completely agree with you 100% when you talk about Dhawan. Since it was a typical sub-continental wickets He was able to make impact in Champions Trophy. He has not been able to make adjustments off the backfoot, and hence, he is struggling for runs. Rohit too is struggling for runs on good wickets. Actually the surface at Napier was a beautiful wicket yet Rohit scored at a slow-rate. Dhoni you should make some adjustments with just three matches left.

And Ishant should be left out and Aaron should be brought in. Atleast get settled by England series, or it gets tougher for India to defend World Cup title

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 4:23 GMT)

Come on Dhoni!!! Damn u!!! How long will you keep on blaming others for your failure! It is because of your selfish strategy that the team loses! How much did you contribute to the team's success? Just batting down the order and remaining not out, improving your own batting average, taking singles, playing dot balls at crucial stages..

Posted by rahulkb on (January 23, 2014, 4:14 GMT)

Nope. Dhoni is wrong. Both openers should have got out right way in the 1st over without eating up overs with their "solid" leaving technique and defense. That would've helped to keep required run rate down..:D

Posted by naren1983 on (January 23, 2014, 4:08 GMT)

Dhoni is right, but he can't change the openers immediately considering Asia Cup & T20 WC which is scheduled to play in Bangladesh. Its a Flat track where our team will be able to play attacking cricket. But at the same time, its time for BCCI to decide team playing in sub-continent and Overseas. Even if you see any cricket team is powerful only in their home, mostly they are falling down at Overseas except very few series if you really look in last 5 to 10 years. For India, we have seen any Overseas series where few players consistently failing to score runs, so BCCI should give alarm to those players by replacing if they fail to perform in few matches. Its hard to accept, but its the fact. For eg. We can bring Pujara in place of Rohit in Overseas and Rayudu in place of Raina. This will give lot of options when choosing a right team in Important time like WC 2015. With just one year to go, we should use some options to select the best XI.

Posted by prasanna_79 on (January 23, 2014, 3:32 GMT)

For any team to perform well in all the conditions..,it needs balance and variety..,so we need seam bowling options aplenty in countries like AUS/SA/NZ/ENG to do well.. My Indian Team which would have a great chance to defend the title would be : S.Dhawan ( give him some more time to develop n flourish..,has never looked out of depth in the international scene..,unlike rohit ) , Pujara ( to play sheet anchor role n to be told to play till 35 overs per innings ) ,Kohli,Rahane,Rohit(not suited for opening abroad),Nayar(bowls seam,bats left handed & plays well against pace & lion-hearted,can be used as a floater in the batting order),Dhoni(d bridge between top & lower order),I.Pathan / R.Dhawan(can do what bhuvi does - bowls decent pace & can bat as well..),Jadeja (purely because of his bowling n fielding,batting just lottery),V.Aaron / R.Shukla (hit d deck bowlers to extract bounce from the pitch who bowls at a lively pace),M.Shami ( shud improve consistency in line n length ).JAI HINDH

Posted by vish2020 on (January 23, 2014, 3:30 GMT)

I would like to really meet the guy who first put talent and Rohit in the same sentence. this guy unknowingly hurt the indian cricket team too much.

Posted by topspeed55 on (January 23, 2014, 3:18 GMT)

I still feel its too early to conclude or comment on this young Indian team. I feel they are on right track but its a learning curve. Even Sachin, Saurav, Rahul and Laxman went through the learning curve of playing in foreign conditions. I think Indian national players should also play some county cricket like seniors did. Yes I agree nobody should be deprived of earning handsome money via IPL. BCCI needs to balance it out and get them exposed to county cricket as well.

Posted by gothamknight on (January 23, 2014, 2:40 GMT)

the indian bowlers, especially ishant, leave too much work for the batsmen. India need their bowlers to win games for them too instead of putting all the responsibility on the batters. That is why NZ has been winning - their bowlers can step up when needed. look at the passion nz plays with - I barely see that with india. India needs to hype up and give 100% in everything they do. If a ball is going to the boundary, chase it anyway, if you get hit for 4 charge in and bowl a beauty, if you missed out on hitting a 4 give everything at your next opportunity. DESIRE THE VICTORY.

Posted by PMadhavarao on (January 23, 2014, 2:22 GMT)

It is time to make some changes in team selection. I keep insist to drop Ishanth and Jadeja

Posted by boomslanger on (January 23, 2014, 2:18 GMT)

Dhoni should have set a target at Sneddon's instead of chasing. That would have ALSO given his batsmen a chance to play freely without having to look at a big score hovering over their head as the sword of Damocles. If you look at how the openers have got out in this series so far and the series in SA and India (vs. West Indies ), It has been caught, Caught, caught, (deep/mid field) bowled (Trying to slog), run out and caught again. No LBWs or caught behind/slips. I would not rate this as the opener's failure, but Dhoni's stubbornness to chase always, no matter what. At Sneddon Park, it was obvious it was going to rain and D/L might come to play. The Black Caps must have sniggered amongst themselves as Dhoni chose to field. Is Dhoni losing his flexibility and credibility as old age sets in?

Posted by Pankreap on (January 23, 2014, 2:16 GMT)

Dhoni is the limit of stubborness 'a word usually associated with him". Really:Ishant is a club type bowler with no threatening pace nowadays and also look at his hair"Is he Tom Cruise.I think he needs to cut his hair short and then maybe he can see what the batsmen looks like and who he is most importantly. Ashwin shud be ousted out of the team and aaron should be placed in. In place of ishant,put in binny which will provide you with extra all-rounder. My team: 1.dhawan open with rahane 3.v.kohli 4.rohit 5.raina 6.dhoni 7.binny 8.jadeja 9.bhuvneshwar 10.shami and 11. Aaron

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 2:12 GMT)

Reasons Why India Lost The Game

#1 - Picking 5 bowlers, therefore having a SUPER-long tail of Ishant, Bhuvi, Shami, Ashwin & Jadeja.

#2 - Jadeja (as a batsmen) & Rohit Sharma is a good in sub continent, but outside of India they are a complete joke. Raina is OKish even though he is little out of touch, he is a match winner.

India needs to pick Stuart Binny instead of Ishant Sharma who gives away 8 runs an over consistently and is a walking wicket.

#3 - India should drop Rohit, Ashwin, Ishant (DUH!) immediately, and pick Pujara & Binny.

#4 - Pujara and Kohli are the ONLY realiable batsmen in Indian team.. which is why pujara should be drafted into ODI's asap. He is consistent, solid and will consistently make 50's 60's and the odd 100..

My squad for WC 2015:

Dhawan, Rahane, Kohli, Pujara, Rayadu/Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Binny, Shami, Bhuvi, Ojha/Irfan Pathan

Posted by gothamknight on (January 23, 2014, 2:12 GMT)

India have two problems: their bowling and batting depth. they could have won both games if they had more wickets in hand. that means another batsmen needs to be in the team - probably rayudu. to make space for him, jadeja or ashwin need to be dropped - I would say ashwin since he is a traditional offspinner and provides less with the bat. The main problem is ISHANT - he needs to be dropped. I dont know what the selectors see in him - he is very expensive and provides nothing with the bat - useless. I havnt seen much of aaron but from what others say he is definatley better than ishant. The bowling is hard to watch at times too - shami and kumar bowled good final overs but were getting thumped in the middle overs. Raina can retain his position for now. Shikar is usually the attackerwhile rohit plays slower. when shikar plays slower, their dynamics dont work. Shikar needs to play his natural game which is to find 4/6. also, they need to look for 1/2's more so there are less dot balls.

Posted by bumsteer on (January 23, 2014, 2:04 GMT)

@basu I'm with you buddy. Checkout @irishhawks satirical comment in another forum. Spot on. Dhoni seems to have the analysis consistently right but has no answers. Funny when he has the power to make team selections!!! Where is the mystery man Duncan Fletcher??????

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 2:02 GMT)

@Noni: a small correction to your comments. Ashwin and Jadeja will not get chance in Bangladesh ODI team too. We have got Sakib and Razzak. Way better allrounder and bowler than these two.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 1:58 GMT)

Need changes in this team for sure.main problem is bowling even india get batting first they can score 300 runs but the question is would they be able to stop that.answer is Rohit out rahane play as a opener.Raina out rayadu in.ashwin out binny in.ishant out aaron in.its simple.i dont kno wat is stopping them to make these changes.Go india.& get back to the no deserve it.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 1:48 GMT)

Chasing 6 or over per over is always going to be difficult.. You have bowlers who give 6 and 7 an over regularly.. It includes, Sharma, Ashwin, Jadeja and Kumar.. You cannot expect the batsmen to gun it down every time.. It is a lot of pressure.. Change team composition.. Binny for Jadeja, Mishra for Ashwin, Aaron for Sharma and Pandey for Ashwin.. Otherwise this team will fail to win any more matches..

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 1:32 GMT)

Dhoni has his favorites and keeps playing them no matter what, guess he has been lucky that India has been playing more at home and winning at home. Rohit, Raina have proved time and again that they do not have the technique to last on fast, bouncy pitches overseas. Ishanth of course gets the backing for no reason because he has openly admired Dhoni's charm , it is unfortunate that Bhuvi got dropped after one bad game, Umesh Yadav dropped after having given no chance in the last series, where as Ishanth gets special treatment for his subservience to master Dhoni. Is your country's ranking and reputation as important as playing your mates. Not sure why Pujara cannot be brought in inspite of proving himself time and again on overseas pitches.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 1:31 GMT)

It seems that Ishant Sharma should be dropped and Binny should be brought in. He is in good form with both ball and bat. In my opinion, Karthik should open with Shikar. Both are very attacking batsman and can take game away from bowlers right from start.

Posted by prof_aks on (January 23, 2014, 1:30 GMT)

Prof_Aks_Bsp: NZ is a very difficult team to defeat at their home. India did well but not enough to reach its goal. Now few changes are desired: Either Rohit / Shikhar must be shown bench. Raina could also be one. Aswin/Jadeja. Also Ishan Sharma. Give chance to Pujara, Ishwar Pandey, Stuart Binny or even Raidu. Idia must now focus on 3,4,5 Matches. Remeber that India has to play matches in NZ in next WC so better to take players who would be called in WC15. Anyway, keep on trying.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 1:15 GMT)

Dhawan and Rohit Sharma - are good openers for Indian wickets which is always one sided. Now the world see how Indian cricketers perform with the moving ball. Absolutely poor.

Posted by Alexk400 on (January 23, 2014, 1:03 GMT)

Dhoni will not change team. he has his method. He will not take blame. He will let selectors make changes to the team than himself. :) Smart cookie.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 0:44 GMT)

Dhoni says:

".. .they (the openers) would be better placed in playing without inhibitions and going for their strokes... "

If so, why didn't he opt to bat first, after winning the toss?

Posted by SydneyIndi on (January 23, 2014, 0:43 GMT)

@Dinesh Kanwar, I agree, with MSD it is always some one else's fault, not his! He thinks he is above reproach! Blind Freddy can see Ishant is NBG and Ashwin + Jadeja are no longer allrounders; no batting. If no spinning pitches, drop both. If it spins keep one only (Jadeja good fielder) and get an extra batter- Pujara in & move Rohit to 6. It was annoying to see NZ bowlers with 130 kmph using bouncers as weapons but our bowlers with the same speed or more not using bouncers. Have they been told so or have they forgotten? Where is Yadav and Aaron? Y R they not in the team? They can bowl fast bouncers & can do lot of damage. It is time to look for new captain. It looks to me V R going back to bad old days of players with god fathers or selected on the basis of their IPL teams or based on State / regions or caste, etc, etc. If this is the case it is unacceptable and those need to be thrown out. Put simply we need the best team with best captain selected to suit the pitches played upon.

Posted by   on (January 23, 2014, 0:39 GMT)

297 in 42 overs is equivalent to 354 in a 50 over match.

Not only one didn't see the urgency among the openers for chasing something that big as 354; I even wonder they even realised it. May be they did, but it didn't look so.

In the 1st ODI, Rohit wasted 42 balls -- nearly 7 overs -- all for himself, for a pittance.When Rohit is in this rotten form, I don't understand why Rayudu is not tried. (Of course, Pujara would have been the right man for that slot, any day).

After the infamous 30 runs in an over (conceded, not scored), Ishant has NOT done anything significant to erase that "brilliant poverty of performance" image. His continuance at the cost of the three pacers sitting on the bench is a mystery. Since, at least the ODI part NZ tour is almost a gone case, at least we should use it as a lab to try out and/or train players in conditions they will be facing in the next World Cup.

As of now, India doesn't look a chance. Prove us wrong; all fans of India will be delighted.

Posted by sid2677 on (January 23, 2014, 0:35 GMT)

Rohit Sharma perhaps has an angel watching over him; no other batsman in the Indian team has been ever given such a long rope, he may score on flat Indian wickets, but unless he can score outside the subcontinent, he will continue to be a flat track bully. I remember how a young Rahul Dravid would be unfairly criticized for scoring 'slow' in ODIs, and we all know that Rahul is a legend. Rohit is no Rahul Dravid; yet he is persisted with. I actually feel that Jadeja and Ashwin bowled quite well in the match; Jadeja, despite his limitations, picks up a wicket or two, and fields really well. He is a very useful cricketer. Dhoni is correct that the openers did not score many runs, and that put a lot of pressure on the middle order. What if Kohli fails in a game? Then the entire batting will collapse; seems like Kohli is becoming what Tendulkar was in the 90s for India, once he's gone, the match is as good as over. And about Ishant, the lesser said, the better.

Posted by Sathyasing on (January 23, 2014, 0:29 GMT)

Combination and order matters a lot.One spinner and an extra pacer will be the right mix.Rahane should open and shikar needs some help from mental conditioners.ishant should play only tests.

Posted by theRule19 on (January 22, 2014, 23:50 GMT)

Lack of form, technique and application are main cause of failure for majority of the Indian batsmen like Dhawan, R.Sharma, Raina, Rahane to some extent, Jadeja surely and many others and in bowling I.Sharma, Ashwin..thats just too many non-performing players playing in one team.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 23:41 GMT)

Indian cricket team's dismal record overseas against major teams in the past 3 years (in bilateral matches):-

1) Tests: Won 0 out of 13 2) ODIs: Won 1 out of 14 3) T20s: Won 1 out of 4

I guess Dhoni gets away with such a report card mostly due to the IPL frenzy & the amount of meaningless ODI series played on docile flat tracks in the subcontinent (&half of them played against SriLanka

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 23:30 GMT)

honeymoon period ended for India, especially for openers, Dhawan and Rohit are facing the music of fast and bouncy wickets imagine scoring double hundreds or quick fire 190 in Auckland, Perth, Leeds or Cape Town? anyway no such advice for Indian team we know their performance outside India is zero, Indian fans lives abroad need to settle with losses only!

Posted by glen1 on (January 22, 2014, 23:20 GMT)

Definition of Insanity:

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Keeping Ishanth, Raina and Ashwin and expecting different results in a foreign tour is insanity. Ishanth can't bowl, Raina can't play short pitched deliveries, Ashwin can't take wickets on unhelpful pitches.

Bring in Varun/Pandey, Raidu, Mishra and see if it changes the outcome; even otherwise, it doesn't matter.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 23:19 GMT)

Not just the openers. Yake out Kholi and Dhoni's scores in the first two ODIs and India looks pretty poor. Yes, the bowling isn't much but they are getting much support from the batting lineup.

Posted by ThemanID on (January 22, 2014, 23:18 GMT)

Is that a surprise to you that Rohit and Dhawan are being exposed in different conditions?

Posted by CricketLifer on (January 22, 2014, 23:16 GMT)

The openers were clearly very slow but India has been losing far too many matches of late due to very sub standard bowling. Out bowling had no teeth with exception of Shami and bit from B. Kumar. It is about time India got rid of likes of Ishant and Ashwin. Both are run leakers, poor fielders and don't contribute much with bat. I am sure we can find 2-3 good replacements. How about giving Ojha or Mishra a chance? India is far from settled unit that Dhoni has claimed. I also agree with changing the batting line up - let Rahane open, drop Rohit further down or altogether and drop Raina and give Rayudu a chance. I know Jadeja has done well until recently but how about resting him and giving Binny a chance as well. The whole purpose of such a series should be to evaluate bench talent as we prepare for WC. Very poor captaincy and coaching on that front.

Posted by khiladi456 on (January 22, 2014, 23:10 GMT)

The problem is they don't play practice matches anymore. I remember India would play against domestic teams before the series starts.

Is it because of the hectic schedule? If so, something has to give somewhere especially with a nice percent of newer/younger players.

Posted by KD84 on (January 22, 2014, 23:06 GMT)

Maybe some credit needs to be given to the Kiwis by Indian fans, instead of bagging out their own team all the time!

New Zealand have always been a team that plans well for teams in ODI's and now has some talent to match the plans! Ryder, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, McCullum, Anderson are a pretty useful top 6, Ronchi is starting to find his way at 7. With back up from Rutherford and Latham in the battng department, adds a bit of depth.

Bowling wise, Kiwis are starting to get some genuine pace in Milne and McClenaghan, with good support from experienced bowlers such as Mills and Southee, with players like James Neesham and Boult as back up if needed.

Nathan McCullum is a spinning allrounder and does a tidy job. All thgis with out Vettori, who I am sure will want to be in the WC15 ... The Kiwis are building, so some credit?

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 23:04 GMT)

@Noni is right about Raina & Ashwin. Also, time to rest Rohit & Shikhar or play them down the order. Pujara would be the best choice to open. Rahane used to fail against the new ball often so that's why he is playing down the order. Ishant and Bhuvi are not good enough--need Aaron & Pankaj to partner Shami. Irfan should be back. A huge revamp is needed.

The team: Pujara, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhoni, Rahane, Yusuf Pathan (he scored an ODI century against SAf in SAf) or Abhishek Nayar, Irfan Pathan, Jadeja, Aaron, Shami, Pankaj Singh. Lots of raw pace, swing, & bounce in the attack. Binny can be backup for Irfan if he is injured. Abhishek Nayar can back up Yusuf Pathan.

Posted by satchander on (January 22, 2014, 22:55 GMT)

@Suvransu Basu - Spot on mate ! Unfortunately we Indian fans love this game of cricket so much that we keep thinking some miracle will happen to change our OVERSEAS fortunes !!! Sandeep patil made some great changes by dropping Sehwag, Gambhir and Bajji. I hope he can make some more good decisions by dropping Ishant, Raina, Nohit Sharma and Jadeja and Ashwin from this ODI line-up for OVERSEAS conditions. When playing at home, any of the above mentioned guys can fit in as we will be playing on flat tracks.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 22:47 GMT)

I am a big fan of Dhoni but I think he has got it wrong here. If a batting team can make nearly 280 in 42 overs then I dont think the batting is a problem. After the slow start Rohit was catching up well. Even Suresh Raina turned up. He should bat at 6 every game as he actually has an average of 51 there and is successful finishing games. The problem is the bowling. Id you are consistently giving close to three hundred everyday you cannot ask the batting line up no matter how good it is to chase it down. The results over the last year would have been more explicitly highlighted had these bowlers been playing for any other team. The fact that the batting is quite strong has saved them from much bigger humiliation. Time for IShant to go. Start by changing him and leave everyone else. We might see a different scenario.

Posted by thunda.masala on (January 22, 2014, 22:12 GMT)

Dhoni is BS'ing. Shikhar got out because the other guy was not moving at all. It was obvious that looking at the run rate climbing, Dhawan decided to increase the hit rate. Had Sharma moving the score, it would be a much better situation.

Posted by Coolcapricorn on (January 22, 2014, 22:05 GMT)

Because MSD chooses the wrong bowlers thinking he is still playing on the flat tracks he finds back home in India, the opposition both in SA & now here in NZ have been scores of almost 300 or over. Our batsmen may find it easier to reach these large scores at home in familiar conditions but when lots of them don't have much experience in playing abroad, it is understandably more difficult. So rather than blame his openers or any other of his batsmen, the fault lies fair & square on MSD's shoulders for consistently repeating the same mistakes he did in SA by 1] picking the wrong bowlers like the clueless Ishant & 2] picking the wrong bowling composition as two frontline spinners + part-time spinners + dibbly-dobly bowlers simply don't work abroad.

Posted by SonnyGong on (January 22, 2014, 22:04 GMT)

The problem is deep. This is the same Dhoni who masterminded WC, Yuvi delievred in WC and Shikhar won us the Champions. The ball was doing a whole lot more in England than it was yesterday. So i still dont think Shikhar is the problem. Rohit should not be in India's plan at all for one dayers - it is crazy that cricket guru's dont see that. Rohit in the past had cost us matches by his slow scroing (dont ppl remember all that ?). He can be tried in test but he can't score in one-day matches on a consistent basis for sure. If there are no changes for hte next game it will be terrible for us viewers. Already all the damage is done due to voluntary poor team selection. Ashwin, Rohit and Ishant should sit. Binny Tiwari and Aaron should come in. Give the guys a chance - Dhoni says he does not experiment. Not sure what he is saying these days.

Posted by mymissioniscricketandonlycricket on (January 22, 2014, 22:02 GMT)

Indian Cricket team has always produced a gem whenever its crucial..Did anyone notice Virat...its amazing to watch him playing with Sachin I think he is the man who can counterattack any team at any condition. As Manjer...said its not his for but class...he is getting so innovative in every match..its a treat to watch...hope he continues his form as long as he is in cricket... After Shewag we dont have enough confidence chasing 350+ with current openers unless Middle order comes early and produce too much everytime..I think Rohit and Dhawan are very good player but need little more aggression atleast one of them while chasing big total. They are capable of all kind of stroke making but just need some confidence back...cheer them up for next match without putting them under pressure...we never know if this combination could be the strongest and capable of world cup winning since this team has now faced all type of bowler in different conditions..

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (January 22, 2014, 21:54 GMT)

When is Dhoni going to learn that we can't win outside India with bowlers like Ishant and Ashwin, and with batsmen like Dhawan and Rohit? Send all 4 of them back to India, and fly in some replacements. Ishwar/Varun can bowl better than Ishant, Binny can take Ashwin's place, Rahane can open instead of Rohit. Fly in Uthappa to replace Dhawan and Rasool to replace Ashwin.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 21:54 GMT)

MSD must give chance to binny in place of jadeja

Posted by wapuser on (January 22, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

Dhoni need to do some changes ashwin, ishant rohit and raina needs to go they can't play outside and bring aron, binny, ryadu and panday in

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (January 22, 2014, 21:45 GMT)

Dhoni's illogical explanations after repeated overseas failures under his leadership used to baffle me. Not any more. This is what you expect from the IPL $$$ seeking national captain. Has he ever talked about his rigid team selection policies ? You cannot expect your batsmen to bail you every time after you select the same set of pathetic bowlers match after match! MSD is well on his way to relinquish the ODI WC in 2015 if the current state of affairs prevail. I have no doubts in my mind. The need of the hour is to be proactive and sack non-performing luggage in this team. Players like Ashwin, Ishant are no good in overseas conditions. They are mediocre with the ball, less you talk about their batting the better, and probably the two worst fielders in the world.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 22, 2014, 21:43 GMT)

Lame! So, why is it that this team is chasing such huge totals in the first place? 1) Captain winning the toss and always choosing to chase. 2) Horrible bowlers conceding runs, runs and more runs. 3) It's like it is accepted from the get-go that bowlers are not expected to perform. Moron Singh Dhoni!

The only way to stop this rut is to sack Dhoni from captaincy and from the team, make Kohli the captain, bring-in DK in Dhoni's place. That's for the starters. Next, drop Nohit, Raina, Jadeja, Ashwin and Ishant Sharma. We have players with immense talent, and hungry to perform, warming the bench. Dhoni seems to have a problem with Pujara (I have noticed Dhoni shouting at Pujara in one match. Can't remember which match that was). It's a shame that a guy with street cricket technique should even talk in such a tone to Pujara, probably the best batsman in the world right now. It makes me sick to my stomach that Pujara hasn't played even in one ODI and he is in his mid-20s already.

Posted by frozeninusa on (January 22, 2014, 21:26 GMT)

I hope all Indians now realize the greatness of Sehwag. There are a lot of batsmen who come with a bang and dazzle in a few innings. But there are very few who can sustain the attacking style the way Sehwag did for so long.

Posted by SJinUS on (January 22, 2014, 21:16 GMT)

Blame it on whomever, we are losing these overseas games due to our batsmen's "attitude problem" to the so called short pitched bowling of some mediocre speedsters on hard bouncy pitches. Why are the media and even some players in the team making statements about the aptitude to play short pitched bowling. I do not think any of our batsmen have a deficiency to play short pitched bowling well. The media over-hyped it, opposition teams use it as a tactical weapon and our batsmen are over analyzing the short pitched bowling. It is purely psychological. Every ball has its own merits and our batsmen just need to play each ball by its merit. If the short ball is there to be hit, hit it. If not duck it! As simple as it. That is what every successful batter do all over the world all these days. Don't lose your head and games to this stupid hype that "Indian batters do not know to play short pitched bowling". But no matter what, India need to nurture better fast bowlers than Ishanth Sharma.

Posted by here2rock on (January 22, 2014, 21:15 GMT)

New Zealand were helped by the rain and DL method. India is not without their own problems though, they are two batsmen short. Rahane should not be in ODI side. I will also drop Ashwin from the side. I will bring in Shewag at 1, drop Rohit to 5, Gambir at 3.

Posted by Naikan on (January 22, 2014, 21:15 GMT)

While Batting has always been Indian team's main source of success, it can only surmount reasonable targets and these reasonable targets have to come from an overall good bowling performance which is not possible with Ishant around. Dhoni tries to shift the spotlight away from him by quoting other player's failings. How can U talk of other things if U have to bring on a Kohli to protect Your favourite bowler getting whipped very early in the match? While anyone can have a few bad matches, what seems to be the reality in Ishant's case is he may have a few good matches. If Dhoni truly believes in him, he needs to let him go. Once benched, if there is any good in him, he will rise to come back in. Dhoni is spoiling the careers of several budding bowlers by hanging on to a player who has under performed severely for more than 2 years.

Posted by TRAM on (January 22, 2014, 21:10 GMT)

Once again, Dhoni talks about Ind batting !! And does not want to address the bowling. I said prior to the match, "It is idiotic to expect change in the result when we have not changed anything". Nothing changed in Ind team or approach. Batsmen are playing for their personal scores. (not the scoring rate). Bowlers are 3rd rate except Shami & Bhuvi. Even they need to learn to not to bowl to the pads regularly giving away boundaries. I dont even want to think about ISharma.

Posted by rohanblue on (January 22, 2014, 20:51 GMT)

in a way it makes me both happy and sad, sad because india losing and dhoni is sad, and happy because i have a ray of hope to see players like gambhir, sehwag , zaheer, tiwary , dinda, yuvi , rahul sharma, irfan, yusuf pathan again.......

Posted by Frendz XI - Neil on (January 22, 2014, 20:48 GMT)

Indians lost the match because of bad opening partnership between Dhawan and rohit. Kudos to the middle order from kohli till bbhuvaneswar kumar because of whom we lost by 15 runs.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 20:34 GMT)

India need an allrounder and yuvi would be the best fit. dhoni didn't use yuvi's bowling skills he was India's second highest wicket taker in the world cup and one match can do a lot to his confidence. he could have easily won this match for India. the only problem with him is the short ball and in any case raina is no better than yuvi in playing the short ball so yuvi can replace raina

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 20:24 GMT)

NZ the better team on the day but Kholi is a serious class act. Two really entertaining games so far.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 20:23 GMT)

Plus: Kohli's Consistency and Dhoni's Contribution Minus: Openers failed yet again Ishant and Ashwin's Bowling

The start given by the Openers while chasing a huge target in a reduced overs game is simply amazing. 37/2 @ 9.5.

Dhoni should try bringing rayudu, varun, binny. No perfection without experiment.

Drop the under performed players - Ishant, Ashwin, Even Rohit for couple of matches - send Rahane to open - Rayudu to fill, Varun in place of Ishant, Ishwar/Mishra in place of Ashwin.

Simply taking 15 players and returning with unused 4 - no sense.

Captain should trust their players. Keeping faith is a good sign. Countless matches is not at all acceptable.

Experiment with the players who suits better in overseas conditions.

You can't dream about WC 2015 with this kind of lineup. Because of few, more players efforts are going vain.

Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia on (January 22, 2014, 20:22 GMT)

Is this the "settled side" you were talking about, MS?

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (January 22, 2014, 20:20 GMT)

Dhoni, you are reaping what you sowed in your Team Dhoni - this is not Team India. India selectors once again are under-performing under Mr Patil as chair. It is time for the ageing Dhoni to gracefully exit Indian cricket. "Gracefully", unlike Tendulkar and Sehwag who prolonged their stay far beyond their use-by date. Dhoni will make a good media liaison person for the support team. Or he could go and coach one of the overseas T20 league teams.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 20:15 GMT)

Don't blame the batters here, Mr. Dhoni. It was the bowlers' fault. Drop Ishant Sharma right now.

Posted by Binuvijayan on (January 22, 2014, 19:44 GMT)

I think Dhoni do not dependent bowlers much but dependent on the bats man to win the game thats why he always chose batting second. I am with Dhoni, the openers should have batted well. Scroing 3 from 23 balls makes the difference. Dhoni should give chance to Raidu

Posted by Nampally on (January 22, 2014, 19:40 GMT)

For once I agree 100% with Dhoni's analysis. The Indian openers were both out in 9.5 overs with just 37 on board- 3.7 runs/over. This left India to chase the target 293 at 8.5 runs/over. If the openers after a slow start had at least added another 50 runs @7 runs/over, that would have given Indian batsmen a better chance. The openers cannot bat at a S/R of 58 when asking rate is a S/R of over 100 + hog 10 overs at that rate. Even Jadeja & Kumar got 23 runs in 14 balls- S/R over 165! What Dhoni has failed to mention is NZ scored 100 runs in last 8 overs . How bad was the India bowling to be so lax. Yet he used the same 3 pacers -Ishant, Shami & Kumar. Aaron is a better bowler >145 KPH + swings the ball accurately. How effective he would have been in containing Anderson. Unless India can counter Anderson by dismissing him early, India cannot win. Anderson won both ODI's for NZ single handily with lusty hitting + capturing key wkts.- 3 in ODI 2. So Anderson is the X-Factor!

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 19:38 GMT)

anybody's fault but not mine. Mr Dhoni, who is selecting the playing eleven? Match after match we are running short on batting power. After #6, all we have a long tail, no one including Ashwin or Jadeja is able to contribute even 10 run. And less said about the bowling the better. I just want to ask one question: what does you see in Ishant Sharma which whole country can not see. Bhuvi had one bad match against SA and you threw him out and Ishant.... I know you do what you feel right and you feel none of the emotions we fans go through. Rahane should go as opener, Rayudu should come in his place. Nohit Sharma should be thrown out. Varun should come & replace Ishant. Binny should come in place of Ashwin. I will still keep Raina due to lack of options as well he will provide right arm off spin option to you and he bowled batter than Ashwin in previous match.

Posted by McGorium on (January 22, 2014, 19:29 GMT)

@ Critical_Analyst: I wonder why you think Shikhar Dhawan is any better than Rohit Sharma, or that pressure put on by Sharma got Dhawan out. The way I see it, Dhawan is the flat-track bully who can't handle the short ball or the swinging ball. In this game, Dhawan plodded along just as badly, if not worse, than Sharma. After consuming all those balls, Dhawan threw his wicket away, and the pressure was brought on by himself just as much as Sharma. It seemed to me that Dhawan was more out of sorts than Rohit Sharma. At least Sharma got out to a decent ball. Dhawan charged out of his crease and wildly slogged at a full ball. Who threw his wicket away here? The obvious problem is that neither of them is confident in bowler-friendly conditions. Maybe Dhoni needs to try his hand at batting first and setting a target...

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 19:19 GMT)

I think team combination is not that bad. Only thing Dhoni should care is proper betting order. Ajinkya Rahane should open with Dhawan and Rohit Sharma come at no 4 because Shikhar is playing under stress due to Rohit is wasting too many bolls as opener.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 19:16 GMT)

I don't understand why we Indian supporters can't agree to the fact that our team is incapable of winning even a single match outside Indian sub-continent? For last 5 years or so we were always Home Bully, hardly won anything outside India except one Test in SA and the last Champions Trophy and that too because the Final was played in T20 style with reduced number of overs...... Favoritism, stubbornness and very ordinary, ultra defensive field placements by our revered captain combined with a paralysed, toothless bowling attack can never bring win for India on oversees tours...... Pls publish......

Posted by PrathameshYamgar on (January 22, 2014, 19:12 GMT)

If India wants to make a mark at 2015 world cup, they should not tinker with their batting order irrespective of losing some matches. What they can do is they can bring in Rayudu in instead of Ishant and make Raina, Virat, Rohit bowl 3-3-3 overs to compensate Ishant. So this way they can have a great batting line up which can give a fight.

Dhavan, Rohit, Virat, Rahane, Rayudu, Raina, Dhoni, Jadega, Ashwin, bhuvaneshwar, Shami

Make rohit, virat and raina bowl 10 overs of Ishant. As it is Ishant is of no use and is also not economical or lethal and plus he cant bat like faulkner. So we better pack our team with 7 batsmen, 2 all rounders so that we can give a fight out there and stay in the match

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 19:04 GMT)

Dhoni should have think about Ishant's Bowling. Better to bring in Aaron who can bowl 140s atleast. Fast Bowling is the only worry since we start playing Cricket. Time to find good speedster

Posted by Noni on (January 22, 2014, 19:02 GMT)

Is there anybody who can stop this favoritism of Dhoni towards his CSK team mates. Raina, Ashwin and Jadeja will not get a chance to play any of the top 8 cricket playing teams but Dhoni is giving them countless chances. Raina after playing 7-8 years of international cricket still plays the bouncer like a school boy keeping his head down and protecting his helmet. (Helmet should not get any dents, those are there just for show off). Ashwin's has grown fat, cannot move around in fielding and a horrible partner while batting. He can get out all 10 partners as Run outs. Jadeja is good for nothing batsman but ca be still used for his fielding and bowling. But there are so many options available that it is sad to give so many chances to a single player. Yuvraj was given 3-4 games and then dropped. Pretty soon Rahane will be dropped. Bhajji was never considered in front of Ashwin. Or even our number 1 spinner Ojha is even thought off. Rahul Sharma can be another option. Parvej Rasool too.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 18:55 GMT)

rohit scored his his last 50, 11 innings speaks about his talent..

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 18:52 GMT)

Nice to see finally Indian fans finally realising the quality of there batsmen.

But I feel that they are bit too harsh with Dhoni.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 18:43 GMT)

Can we bring in Pujara for God's sake! To hell with Rohit sharma

Posted by cricinformed on (January 22, 2014, 18:37 GMT)

In a match, where the team scores 277 in 41 overs, one cannot blame the batting. We have been consistently conceding 7 runs per over for last 10-15 matches and that is taking a toll on the batting. India would find hard to beat any international team with this bowling attack. Ishant has been a big liability and should be shown the door. Ashwin should be retained only if he is considered an all-rounder. The only weak link in batting seems to be Rohit, who appears out of sort and should be made to sit out for few matches.

Posted by Critical_Analyst on (January 22, 2014, 18:35 GMT)

A scientist if unsuccessful with an experiment will repeat it with different ingredients. Dhoni must do the same. Indian team cannot hope to win with the same inferior personnel ( Rohit, Ishant, Jadeja)

There were two critical moments in the game 1) Ishant Sharma giving away couple of sixes to Corey Anderson and providing him momentum 2) Rohit Sharma plodding around for 34 balls, putting pressure on Shikhar Dhawan and getting him out . I feel both the Sharmas and Jadeja must be dropped and Youngsters ( Varun, Rayudu, Binny) must be given a chance . Ashwin is a better batsman than Jadeja who is more of a Bowler who can bat. Iam not sure whether India can win overseas with Dhoni's Ultra defensive captaincy

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 18:29 GMT)

Honestly, I think India beat NZ in this game, though DL says otherwise. Can't understand how a team making more runs in lesser overs still be a loser. DL does not calculate the mindset of teams batting first who go all out like the Kiwis did, when they know they just have a few overs left & lot of wickets in hand. The number of runs added due to this psyche is never taken into account & India's target was much higher thanks to DL than it should have been. I don't care what the pundits say, but ICC should look into this aspect & amend the DL method. What happened yesterday was totally wrong. Indians played very well to overtake NZ's score in less overs than them & should have had a WIN in their column. Not a loss.

Posted by bhushanB on (January 22, 2014, 18:20 GMT)

How worse can Pujara perform compared to the likes of Rohit & Raina

Posted by kahvas on (January 22, 2014, 18:18 GMT)

Dhoni insanely keeps on doing the same thing over and over again and expects a different result. He needs to get out as a captain. I hope we lose this series very badly so he can be fired as a captain. Bring Gambhir in, let him b the captain. Dhoni wanted gambhir out since he was the man to replace him. Bring in Pujara and play 7 proper batsman. This team cant bowl, cant bat deep. Our batting lineup ends at 6 and frankly if Virat doesnt play well the rest of them cant chase 250. Where is Praveen Kumar. He was India's strike bowler before the world cup. Ishant Sharma should be barred from playing. Both the lost games were within reach but you should have the batting depth. Your number 8 and 9 should be able to bat and win matches for you. This would even make sense to a 6 year old.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 17:55 GMT)

Rohit Sharma is a middle order batsmen and excels in Tests only since he has a strike rate of 78 for ODIs. As an opener it was just an experiment. Gambhir and Sehwag are better openers and we should wait for them for the T20 and ODI World Cups.

Rohit cannot convert overseas and so is Dhawan and the opening pair averages combined together to 30-35 as compared to Gambhir and Sehwag who are right now taking a break or dropped and had averaged in the 35-40 range as openers in ODIs. They also excelled in Tests with higher averages,

Posted by AFanOfGoodCricket on (January 22, 2014, 17:53 GMT)

I have been a big fan of Dhoni but this is a case of blatant favoritism. How many more chances will Dhonis CSK colleagues, Raina, Ashwin and Jadeja get? Why play the same team everytime? Raina Ashwin and Jadeja are not good enough to make any international team. Jadeja and Raina cant bat and Ashwin cant bowl. They only play on Indian soil, then why take these guys on overseas tours? Why not give opportunity to some youngsters like Pujara, Rayadu, Binny and Aaron. Let alone winning an overseas tour, we arent even winning a match overseas. Thank god, we lost the No. 1 status, hopefully we lose the world champion status as well. It is embarrassing to hear the commentators refer to this team as world champions. Also well played NZ.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 17:37 GMT)

It is Dhoni's tactics, death over bowling choices, field placements, his advise to the bowlers that is the major reason for defeats. Dhoni should be replaced as a Captain. He maybe good enough for T20, both Test and ODI is out of his league.

Posted by I_Love_Cricket_7 on (January 22, 2014, 17:36 GMT)

1. Bowling is a concern 2. Death Bowling is a concern 3. We didn't bowl good with the new ball 4. We don't have a bowler who can bowl 140 kmh consistently 5. We did not hit the deck hard 6. We did not bowl well 7. We did not executed the plan well 8. We did not hit the right areas 9. We did not get swing & no assistance from the 10. Wicket was 2 paced i.e. one for them another for us 11. Wicket is eased a bit while they bat 12. Due plays a part in our defeat 13. Bowler got little tired due to back to back series & so many cricket. 14. Could not hold rhythm because of rain interruption, but no excuses. 15. We have to bowl smartly 16. We didn't bowl yorkers 17. We don't have bowler who could bounce the ball 18. New rule of 2 new bowl being taken & 4 fielders out side the circle. 19. Schedule affected bowling practices 20. Did not bowled to our potential 21. We couldn't get used to the condition 22. No assistance 4 the bowler, bt no excuses

No Excuses??? r u kidding me Plz Incr comm siz

Posted by LAKingsFan on (January 22, 2014, 17:30 GMT)

Can anyone tell me what exactly Mr. Nohit Sharma is doing in the team? You had to chase 8RPO but he's competing with SL batsmen in slow scoring.Oh, god. If Rohit's performance is not accountable in team and I don't know what else is accountable in this team. He has been given 100+ matches and he wasted almost 90% of those opportunities and still in the team. Please bring back Gambhir and Sehwag.

Posted by jeff_joz on (January 22, 2014, 17:23 GMT)

Hahaha...Dhoni still not looking at Ishant, and start blaming OPENERS, what an culprit captain we have.I do not see anything problem with batting line up, its just a pressure Ishant building on batsmens. Dhoni shouls step down from ODI captaincy,now we lost our Number One ranking to Australia.This is how Dhoni prepare his team to retain the 2015 WC? Sandeep Patil, are you sleeping? The entire country is crying to remove Ishant Sharma, are u not reading news papers or watching TV. WAKE UP!!!!!!

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 17:17 GMT)

You keep the best opening batsman of the nation out of the team for non-cricketing reasons and then eventually you have this to say? Come on now, keep aside your personal agendas and start thinking for the team for once... Bring Gauti in!

Posted by GRVJPR on (January 22, 2014, 17:16 GMT)

Yes openers should have batted longer but with better strike rate. And Mr Dhoni it is not your backstreet cricket where you can bat as long as you want. International opponents are good enough to send you back as well, so it is always better for openers to maintain a good strike rate in big chases so that there is less pressure on incoming batsmen. Mean while why you always ask them to chase. When wil you allow them to enjoy batting without pressure. And what about your team selection. If you don't like likes of binny, Varon, Mishra, Pandey you should have told that to selectors so that they could drop you from captaincy and make kohli the captain (deserving one) for next world cup.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 17:09 GMT)

I knew already after Sehwag out of his form India might not see 80's in first ten overs but I never expected 30/2 in first ten overs. And here now as an Indian cricket fan, I am feeling great to see None Recollecting about Gambhir.. its great. I know now in future Sehwag cannot make into team squad and atleast BCCI should consider Gambhir as Gambhir is stable and definitely plays with a strike rate of 80's from the very first over. In this series, I would ask Dhawan to play his shots naturally. Be positive.

Posted by JSatish on (January 22, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

The bowling department really struglling a lot i feel..Just look at their records..last two games..3matches ODIs in South africa..recent Australia series..they are giving away too many runs.even with the likes of Dhoni and Kohli..forget about the series of West indies.. Seriously India is facong too many problems with the bowling department.. But seriously its time for ishant to go back to ranji level..and improve.. I am his serious fan..but i think its the time to show the door for ishant..

Posted by JSatish on (January 22, 2014, 17:02 GMT)

I thought..rohit was seriously uncomfortable today..he was missing the trick of atleast the singles..forget about the boundaries..dhawan and rohit are putting pressure on themselves..they need to pull up their socks... Common India..

Posted by A.Ak on (January 22, 2014, 16:59 GMT)

He is right R Sharma working really hard for his reputation, and he is very successful. One time people said he is playing lower the order and he need more batting time. Now he has got all 50 overs. I think by the time he reaches 250 or 300th ODI, he will play better cricket. At least someone please teach him how to rotate strike.

Posted by I_Love_Cricket_7 on (January 22, 2014, 16:58 GMT)

Time has come to take decision based on performance in conditions like SA,Eng,Au,Nz. Otherwise these flat track bullies will go back to subcontinent then they will score, will give false confidence & will become part of playing 11. Why these selectors has to select a team which in tern affects 1 billion peoples sentiment. I dare to ques, do they have a cric brain. If they have it, why can't they use it. 1. Why Raina [why can't Pujara] 2. Why Rohit [Why can't Shehwag/Gambhir] 3. Why Dhawan the flat track specialist [Why can't Rahane] 4. You want a all-rounder like Ashwin [Whats wrong with Yuvraj check stats] 5. Sir.Jadeja batting all-rounder [Use binny instead at-least in these conditions for god sake] 6. Ishant [Please try me instead if you can't try Iswar/Rishi/Aron/Umesh] 7. Dhoni, only one objection, you really stick to the same team in failures & successes, don't you? Sometime you have to think about 1 billion people 8.Get rid of every one, will you? 9. Sir Plz publish.

Posted by Rags57 on (January 22, 2014, 16:51 GMT)

MSD, we all have a lot of respect and regard for you as a person as well as what you have done for the Indian team. However, your being adamant in team selection is very difficult to explain. When people fail over and over again if you persist with them it makes no sense. Not in the case of Ishant Sharma - what is his role in the team? He is neither a strike bowler nor a containing bowler, a liability in the field and utterly miserable with the bat in limited overs cricket. If he was new to the team I can understand being given more chances but after playing for 6 or 7 years you just can't keep tolerating poor performances. The case of even Jadeja is questionable - especially outside the sub-continent when you have all rounders like Binny or a strike bowler like Mishra who is also a useful bat. If he does not change the team composition for the next match then the criticism that he is biased when it comes to team selection is true so the selectors should perhaps talk to him.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

I feel Dhoni is making wrong decision of bowling first after winning toss. He needs to bat first, put up a big score and defend it. If you make 300 + any team will have problem chasing as run rate creates added pressure. Chasing is good strategy in India, not abroad. Last 4-5 matches he has won toss and bowled first, and India has been unable to chase. He is putting so much pressure on batting because he does not trust bowling at all. He needs to give the bowlers an ally by batting forst and putting pressure on opposition of the big score. He keeps saying it got harder to chase, but still keeps doing it. Secondly, he is very stubborn and does not like changing players. He keeps his trusted players like Ashwin , Ishant and Rohit in, even when they are not performing.

Posted by IAS2009 on (January 22, 2014, 16:40 GMT)

the problem with Indian fans are they make these players super stars too early and expect miracles from them right away, most of these players have played in India only and maybe once in some other places, but they are already superstars in terms of Indian media, these players are human and on learning curve, it is not easy to beat the home team now a days, even bad Indian team was not easy to beat by top teams, most of the players in India team got their early reputation of flat tracks once they played in SA the results are in front of everyone. NZ team is very good, they have very quick bowlers, sound batting unit and good fielding side plus they are at home, India has played well an competed. the team is good, no one will win all the time. Even Kohli has its bad days. there will always be players not performing on a given day, Rohit and dhawan have won them quite a few games also, people forget very easily.

Posted by Karnamkotil on (January 22, 2014, 16:30 GMT)

Yes, the openers shud hav batted for long. But the problem is that they are staying at the crease with a low strike rate, plus they get out after making 20-30 odd runs..which is not the idea. We expect one of them to stay back and who can take the onslaught later. Rohit did exactly the same in the series in India. Need to DROP Ishant ASAP!

Posted by reluctant_fan on (January 22, 2014, 16:24 GMT)

I don't know why the Indian selectors keep persisting with Rohit Sharma. I don't know what he has to offer in reality. On paper potential should only count for os much. Ishant Sharma's days too should be numbered. It is sad that India has not been able to produce a quality spinner in the last few years. I think new players should be tried in place of all three mentioned here.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

While I have a great deal admiration for MSD for his daring leadership skills in ODIs and his dynamic abilities as a batsman, what irritates his irrational persistence with the non performers. The captain must know when to give adequate opportunities for a capable player and and to stop plying the player and sending him off to improve his skills in domestic circuit. He is preventing Ishant from learning in domestic circuit. Ishant needs to improve and he is nowhere near being bowler the team wants now. Send him to domestic circuit; and stop believing that 2 spinners strategy will get us the world cup in Australia.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 16:14 GMT)

still how many games will dhoni go on support his chennai stars jadeja, ashwin and also ishant. India team as a wealthy reserve bench.....why is dhoni not testing them .....everytime win or lose going with the same team.......rayudu, mishra, binny, varon a potential to show themselves. I think dhoni should change his mind setup and stop behaving in a legendry way. as our coach is an ....... dhoni is behaving in his own way

Posted by cricketanand12 on (January 22, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

All the middle order batsmen performed well. But I think that rahane needs to be replaced because he is not so effective at this position. T20s have changed the equations and no. 4 to 7 need to be hard hitting and those whose can finish the match. I think Saurav tiwary or kedar jadhav can fulfil that no. 4 position and play the role of finisher . Rahane is always welcomed as an opener . shikhar is OK but Rohit who has played over hundred matches cannot behave like a flat track bully.bowling is main concern. Now its pretty common to concede more than 6 an over but you need to take wickets. Shami is successful in picking wickets,ashwin is economical most of the times.bhuvaneshwar is good with new ball. Jade a and iahant are the problems because jadeja needs to bat well.most of the teams are playing with depth in their batting .India cannot win matches all the times without support of all rounders.ishant must be replaced with Aaron or yadav who can trouble batsman with full and fast .

Posted by venkat_75r on (January 22, 2014, 15:58 GMT)

There are lot of choices. Swap the places for Rahane and Rohit. Rahane is a natural opener and Rohit is a natural middle order bastman. One more option is sending Ashwin along with Shikar. Ashwin has a good technique, scores at a faster pace and handles bouncer well. A good 40-60 from Aswhin will serve the team well. This will give confidence to the middle order (which will be long with Rohit coming down). The other option is dropping Ashwin, Rohit and Ishant and relacing with Aaron, Rayudu and Binny!!!

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 15:53 GMT)

cricketsunami : First of all , I don't believe Dhoni has no say in team selection. And problem is selection of 11 not selection of the whole team. Even with current squad he can get reasonable 11 , i would say drop rohit , ashwin,ishant for rayudu ,binny,aaron/ishwar. Send rahane to opening. I know he tries to keep backing the players but there is a limit to everything. You can't follow your whims at national cost for too long. This must end.

Posted by hiasad on (January 22, 2014, 15:48 GMT)

I think that India is a very strong side. The indian batting has always been strong since the era of Sourav, Dravid and Tendular and it has only gotten better. Also I think the bowling has greatly improved with Jadeja, Shami and Bhuvaneshwar.

Winning and losing are simply unavoidable. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I get amazed at how indian fans become so worked up on losing a couple games. Cmmon people, arent you satisfied with how India has performed in the past few years ? You gotta be kidding me !

I still rate Indian Cricket team as the best force in World Cricket Today !

Thank you

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 15:40 GMT)

The biggest problem Dhoni's facing is both Jadeja, Ashwin are failing. Jadeja is playing as an all-rounder but hardly spents time in the middle. They both are similar type of players and 2 players like this are not good outside India.

Dhoni should remove Ashwin and bring in Rayudu or Binny or Aaron / Pandey.

Rayudu can bring stability to the middle order and come to bat at No.5 ( Though Dhoni will need to get 10 overs from Virat, Raina, Rohit)

Binny can solve India's all-rounder problem. If he can play well against the short ball then he may well cement his place.

Aaron - If he can stay fit and make some mark then he may well head India's fast bowling alongside Shami.

Ishant Sharma's also a problem but I think Dhoni should use him differently like using his strength. Keep two deep fielders on leg side and let him bowl short deliveries. With his height it will cause batsman problems. Just like he used it in CT. In SA too he could have had more wickets had there been deep sq. leg

Posted by kitten on (January 22, 2014, 15:35 GMT)

Both the Sharmas should be dropped, and even Dhawan should be warned to be more adventurous, and score more quickly. Raina had a fairly good game, and should be persevered with. In place of Ishant(a waste of space, and has been for ages!), Binny should be included....he will certainly bowl better than Ishant, and as for batting, there is no comparison. Rayadu should be given a chance at the expense of Rohit. Let's face it, the next game is 'make or break, and favouritism should be put aside for the country's sake. I feel if India had got a good start in both the first two ODIs, they would have won the game. And Ishant as a bowler, has done his darnedest to be dropped, and is still in, unbelievable. Such a sad state of affairs. Hopefully, someone, will wake up soon, and crack the whip, and things might improve. Virat, is a class act, and is wonderful to watch, and Dhoni, has always performed well for the team, and will continue to do so, but needs to take decisions soon.

Posted by ravimenon on (January 22, 2014, 15:34 GMT)

i see most of the guys are commenting as if Rohit Sharma is the main culprit. He has done enough to be in the team. Other than Kohli, no other batsmen have done more than what he did. Because of Kohli's effort Indian batting still holds good and able to reach so close to NZ totals. to be frank,if you dont put good bowling performance you can expect more and more such results. You can not expect batsman to score more than 300 in each and every chase. All other teams have got better bowling strength than us. The main reason for this is the attitude of selectors, lots of talents are available in India, but selectors always think about Ishant Sharma. Whether you play in India or abroad he is the first choice bowler. Kumar & shami doing well. Ashwin looks pathetic. Jadeja playing as a bowler and not as allrounder. In fact Ashwin is playing as batsman and Jadeja is a bowler. India should strengthen the batting, drop ashwin bring Raydu.Drop Ishant bring somebody who is avilable in team.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 15:30 GMT)

Bring back Sehwag and send back both the Sharmas (Ishant & Rohit)

Posted by vj3478 on (January 22, 2014, 15:26 GMT)

The over-confidence of Dhawan and Rohit is hurting India big time. They have to understand that they are playing an ODI and not a test match to take 10-15 overs (at a strike rate of 30-40) to settle in. 70% of the time they score under 40 runs at a strike rate of 60. Good analysis by Dhoni on short ball and the strategy to attack. But if you cant play well the short ball, forget about the 80 short balls that can be bowled in an innings, it requires only 1 ball for a batsman to get out. So, learn how to play and then attack! Finally, what does it take for us not to see Ishanth/Raina playing?

Posted by Temuzin on (January 22, 2014, 15:22 GMT)

@Yogesh Gupta; It is unfair to blame Dhoni for the selection of both Sharmas, Nohit and Ishant. There are selectors who are continuously selecting them, then there are expert commentators from Mumbai who are continuously praising them and thats why they are in the team. I have a feeling that Dhoni's hands are tied when it comes to both sharmas. Who knows the politics behind selection of both sharmas. At least I do not. By the way Jadeja was among most economical bowlers and has taken wickets in both ODIs. Its bowling of Ashwin and Ishant sharma we need to look at.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 15:21 GMT)

Common mr MSD both the matches India scored good amount of runs...the root problem is blowing..specially Ishant in be a no.1 team your blowing must show some quality.. in both the matches India lost by 15-20 runs and in both matches Indian bowling was poor .except Shami ..stop blaming openers and stop backing that Ishant..MSD just can't except thier batters to do the job evrytime ..enough is enough ..he has to pay price with his defensive tactics (in case of blowing) may work in India ..but not in these conditions ..

Posted by Sagar_cricket_fanatic on (January 22, 2014, 15:13 GMT)

Dhoni keeps picking the same team and expects a different result! This really speaks of arrogance and lack of insight. This is the fourth game we lost on the trot outside India(of course it would have been fifth and I am sure India would have lost rained out ODI in SA). Ishant should permanently dropped from ODI and perhaps all forms of cricket and should go back to domestic cricket. Ashwin should be dropped from the ODI team and should have a pace bowler in his place. Binny should be given a go and one of either Varun Aaron/Ishwar should play instead of Ishant.

Posted by Gladiatorthrone on (January 22, 2014, 15:11 GMT)

I blame my own countrymen who selected such political influenced team or bad selection . Whatever just what Rohit sharma doing here,after so many chances he will keep failing and when it comes home he fires few hundreds and justifies. He's clearly not match winner not better than sehwag. His strike rate and calm lazy movement gives me blood pressure.For ODI:- 1.Shikhar Dhawan 2.Robin Uthappa 3.Virat kohli(VC)4.Rahane5.YuvrajSingh6.Raina7.Dhoni(C)8.Ashwin 9.Shami 10.Bhuv kumar 11.Unadkat (Sub) 12.Irfan pathan 13.Jadeja 14.ishwar pandey/zaheer 15.Dinesh karthick We have beautiful T20 side:- 1.Sehwag 2.Uthappa 3.Kohli 4.Yuvraj(VC) 5.Raina 6.Yusuf pathan 7.Dhoni(C) 8.Rahul sharma 9.Bhuv kumar 10.Shami 11.Irfan pathan sub 12.Dhawan 13.Jadeja 14.Mohit sharma 15.Binny Test side:- 1.Shikar dhawan 2.Vijay 3.Pujara(VC) 4.Rohit sharma 5.Virat kohli(C) 6.Badrinath 7.Dinesh karthick 8.Amit mishra 9.Zaheer khan 10.Shami 11.Ishwar pandey 12.Ishant sharma 13.Rahane 14.ashwin 15.Umesh yadav

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 15:11 GMT)

This is ridiculous from Dhoni. To solve the problem , first you have to recognise the problem completely. He only cribs about batting failures , what about bowling ? Why Ishant ,Ashwin,Jadeja are still in team even after consistently failures ? Why Pujara is not in ODI team , this completely beats me. I have started to feel that Dhoni has been plain lucky many times and he is given more credit than he actually deserves. I think Gambhir should be brought back too. When will Dhoni open his eyes and till when we indian fans are supposed to keep getting humiliated ? Is there an end to this humiliation ?

Posted by Coolcapricorn on (January 22, 2014, 15:07 GMT)

Instead of picking five frontline bowlers to try & bowl the opposition out as cheaply as possible, he instead tries to do a containment job with his rag tag of dibbly-dobly, part-time, out-of-form bowlers - which inevitably results in the opposition batting without much pressure in the middle overs & getting to totals of nearly 300 runs or over. Then he deludes himself in thinking his batsmen are good enough to score well & reach this 300 wining target but it may happen say only once every seven times! Just because such team selections work back in India, it plainly doesn't work abroad as we've seen both in SA & now here in NZ. Yet MSD will show his intransigence by refusing to adapt & so an overseas drubbing is being meted out again to the team. A good ploy would be to see what the home team are doing & copy them in your team composition as they obviously know the home conditions far better than you.

Posted by chechong0114 on (January 22, 2014, 15:06 GMT)

Dhoni reminds me of Tendulkar in so many ways, very humble, mild mannered man that displays very little emotion on his best day. He is a great ambassador of the sport, a good leader and is very respected by many. But much like Tendulkar he never seems to be able to put together a good enough innings with the bat or close out important games whenever his teams needs him. Here he is saying that the openers needed to bat longer but what about him, he also had the opportunity to shine and put on a stellar innings like Corey Anderson did. I am aware that India was always on the back foot with the Duckworth Lewis system that required them to get about 26 more runs than their opponents with the same amount of overs but it was a stage that was rightfully set for him to come in and play a great innings and as usual he failed again.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 14:59 GMT)

Dhoni always blaming someone. Blame the team as a whole (you included), stop singling out individuals. It's a team sport mate. Don't you hate when you can't use 5 spinners on a goat track?

Posted by ravimenon on (January 22, 2014, 14:55 GMT)

I dont think we can blame openers, every opener once they come out of subcontinent find it difficult to get going,especially for Rohit who is a natural middle order player. But, to me the real issue lies with our bowling. We are so generous during last 10 overs. Batsmen were able to compensate in subcontinent conditions, but on bouncy and pacy tracks they find extremely difficult to make up. I dont understand why Ishant is in team. He is main culprit. His poor performance affects others also. Aswin also finds difficult. He wicket taking ability at overseas conditions can be compared to Gavaskers bowling. India need to change both and bring somebody else

Posted by godshand on (January 22, 2014, 14:54 GMT)

Both the Sharmas need to be dropped...else India will be relegated to the Associated nations soon. Pity that Pujara is in queue for a useless Rohit.

Posted by anilkp on (January 22, 2014, 14:51 GMT)

Indian fans should be realistic. This Indian team is hardly going to win a game overseas. The bowlers neither control RR nor take wickets. The batters--except Kohli and Dhoni--cannot bat outside India. How do you expect a team to win, then? Many fans scream that Varun Aaron should come in. He will never be as effective as even Corey Anderson. Binny? Medium pacers will be butchered. So, Dhoni is doing the best: stick with part-timers. You cannot field a better team than this, and you cannot win a game with this. Accept it. Lose everywhere else, but keep your head high at home. Champions.

Posted by StarHawk on (January 22, 2014, 14:49 GMT)

I think both the openers were playing to secure their own place in the team, rather than trying to get the team off to a good start. That could be the only reason to explain the slow start, especially by Dhawan. Rohit always plays one way in the beginning, regardless of the required rate. That's not a good sign for someone who is considered to be our long-term ODI opener. If the required rate is high like it was today, you should at least try to rotate the strike and go at around 4-5 rpo, rather than getting stuck and playing dot balls after dot balls, putting pressure on the middle order.

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 14:36 GMT)

We need dazzling openers to win the matches here at NZ. Drop your egos and bring back at least Sehwang on Gambhir to win matches here

Posted by CRICKETMENTOR on (January 22, 2014, 14:34 GMT)

Dhoni is absolutely right !! If the openers are not able to play big shots in the earlier phase of innings, thats okay. Still they can rotate the strike and keep up the RR around 4-5. And its also important for one of the opener to stay in the crease atleast 20-25 overs. This is the very minimum expectation from openers. Hope to see a better performance from both in upcoming 3 ODIs. They are very talented and they can do it !!

Posted by   on (January 22, 2014, 14:29 GMT)

So He is finding fault noe only. I thought they failed in game #1 also. Oh, forget to mentioned, They falied in another Overseas series before coming to NZL, what was that place MSD?r

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