New Zealand v India, 2nd Test, Wellington, 5th day

Dhoni lauds bowlers' will

Abhishek Purohit in Wellington

February 18, 2014

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'Fantastic the way our bowlers bowled' - Dhoni


Brendon McCullum plays a pull, New Zealand v India, 2nd Test, Wellington, 5th day, February 18, 2014
MS Dhoni- "You have to appreciate that at times, the opposition can also bat well." © Getty Images
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Twice in four Tests now, Inda have failed to convert a strong position into victory. At the Wanderers, they even came close to losing after setting South Africa a target of 458. At Basin Reserve, they had New Zealand five down and still needing 152 to make the visitors bat again, but were unable to dislodge triple-centurion Brendon McCullum and BJ Watling, who went on to build a match-saving 352-run partnership.

MS Dhoni felt India had tried everything they could, and lauded the efforts of his quicks, emphasizing that the opposition had just been too good.

"We bowled for two-and-a-half days. We tried our best in all fielding positions," Dhoni said. "Right from catching slips to catching covers to deep square leg to deep point and bowling on the pads to bowling outside off. We tried three new balls to get them out. At times it works, at times it does not work. After that, you have to appreciate that at times, the opposition can also bat well. We don't always have to put pressure on our bowlers and batters saying we batted badly or we bowled badly.

"I think as a cricket fan, he (McCullum) batted really well. And he was given good company by Watling and they kept playing. They played a lot of deliveries. Playing close to 500-odd deliveries is itself very tough, forget the amount of runs he has scored. I think it was one of the good innings we were able to see."

McCullum and Watling consumed 926 deliveries between them. India had sent down 136 overs in the second innings in Johannesburg, while they ended up bowling 210 in the second innings in Wellington. Dhoni had appreciated his toiling fast bowlers in South Africa as well, and he was pleased again with the intensity they had shown at the Basin.

"I think it was fantastic to see the way our bowlers bowled. Specially the fact that when they took the second and third new ball, still they were willing to put in a lot of effort. You don't get to see sides playing with three fast bowlers and one spinner and putting the kind of effort that our side did. Overall, we will accept that we were not able to get two batsmen out. They batted really well, we will give credit to them but at the same time, what really needs to be appreciated is the will and the way our fast bowlers tried to get the opposition out on a really flat wicket.

As I said, to maintain pressure with 3-1 combination becomes difficult. That was one area where our fast bowlers did really well. They were able to hit consistent line and length throughout. We bowled close to 200-odd overs and still they were able to hit the same spot with good intensity which itself means a lot."

Dhoni said it was difficult to pinpoint why India were falling short after getting ahead in games. "We are trying. It is not like making food where you say, okay, salt is missing, that is why it is not good. Where we are lacking, that is a difficult one to answer. In the last two series, we have not been able to capitalise when we were in similar situation. I think it is good we were in a situation like that and slowly we will be able to capitalise also."

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Posted by AsherCA on (February 19, 2014, 14:57 GMT)

MS - for once you have done the right thing, lauding the bowlers' efforts. They were handicapped by the kind of fielding support you & your batsmen provided to them AND the team management & media kept picking on the bowlers, giving no consideration to the lack of support that the bowlers had to suffer. Regarding your comment along the lines of - we have done the best we could....If the Murali Vijay dropped an easy one in the first test which cost India more than the 40 runs we lost the test by, Virat Kohli dropped a sitter in the 2nd test which cost India 299 runs. If that is the best that team India can do under your leadership, we deserve to be at the bottom of the test rankings.

Posted by prady5688 on (February 19, 2014, 7:02 GMT)

the main problem in India is disgusting logic of parents toward sports...mainly the most literates parents wants that their child should be only IITIAN, IAS,doctors or some other respected works ..I am a good top order batsman and a genuine fast bowler...and my Indian team also need a fast bowling all rounder..but my dad wants me to be an engineer bcoz i m good in studies...so i had to leave cricket. In the last January season i have just played 4 matches and my batting avg was 122.32 which includes two half century and a century and i have bagged 19 wickets too and was favorite to be chosen for next level but the god and my mom and dad doesn't want to see me as a cricketer.sometime i weep a lot in alone but.......this was my story and i m sure that many indian bros would have gone through the similar situation...we Indians have the talent but our thinking are biased..

Posted by bingorighton2 on (February 19, 2014, 6:47 GMT)

how can one justify dhoni playing both the tests with 3 bowlers ? sorry to say but jadeja isnt a bowler. at the most jadeja's role is to block one end up , so that is again negative mindset. and out of the 3 Ishant is always a question mark he can be very good or he can be very bad, zaheer is back from injury and nowhere near his fittest self. shami is only saving grace. even SA cant afford to play with 3 bowlers even if those 3 are STEYN , PHILANDER And MORKEL. 1 more bowler in the 2nd test would have allowed india to get those crucial 6th and 7th wicket. cant expect 3 bowlers to take 20 wickets in every match. sorry dhoni but india conceded their win chances before starting both the matches. best they could do was save the tests with 7 batsman plus a so-called batsman allrounder jadeja.

Posted by rahulkesari80 on (February 19, 2014, 4:58 GMT)

Its an amazing and ofcourse bemusing while reading the comments! All want dhoni' head for India' debacle. For those who criticize Dhoni and Indian bowlers /batters should remember that Indians are lions at home and lambs at abroad, how can we expect that sacking Dhoni would make India No 1. Even when great and solid players like RAHUL, SACHIN, LAXMAN were playing at their prime, India did not exhibit supremacy in abroad. Dont forget that we were thrashed blue and black by Australia and England 8-0 though we had RAHUL+SACHIN+LAXMAN. Cricket is a team game and every player should contribute but in Indian team every one wants to consolidate their position/average rather than team perfomance, Thats the reason we are losing..

Posted by JustAnotherCricketFan on (February 19, 2014, 3:39 GMT)

@Ajisob Precisely that. DHoni the captain backs his players 100% and gives them long enough rope without having to have added pressure of getting dropped.

ANd luckily for Murali, he has proved his talent to DHoni first hand while in CSK.

its just the way things work man.

I was sent no.7 in my team. One time i was in a 120run partnership with a captain, and the next game i was promoted to no.3

Posted by balaji28 on (February 19, 2014, 3:21 GMT)

I am sure that selectors will select only the same squad and selectors wants to enormous opportunities to rohit sharma who fails in crucial stages and rohit sharma will be selected based on his 72 and 31.I will even sign it and give you rohit will fail in england and australia series.I think jaddu can't even utilise the pitch after it supported spinners on last 2 sessions of day 4 play.So for the next upcoming tour ashwin,pragyan,shreyas gopal or pervez rassol should lead the spin attack.while zaheer should retire as his 5 wicket haul hasn't helped in any way.while ishant sharma can't be able to take any wicket if there is no assistance.So selectors should better sack both ishant and zaheer and may be they can recall vinay only for test as he swinging the ball really well even though he lacks speed.So rohit can be replaced by aparajith or dinesh karthik.

Posted by wapuser on (February 19, 2014, 3:01 GMT)

Lol at the guy saying Ashwin and Jadeja are better batsmen than neesham? Based on what? Indian fans can just say the most embarrassing things at times that shows how little they actually understand about cricket.. And yet this is the country who wants to run world cricket? Sure New Zealand doesn't have the best team in the world... But hey we have a population of 4 million not 1 billion like India.. But at least he have some understanding of the game unlike the hordes of Indian fans who post ridiculous comments on here that have no basis in reality. A Facebook account does not make one a cricket expert. Neither does google.

Posted by hnlns on (February 19, 2014, 2:34 GMT)

If MSD still does not know or wants to know what is going wrong, it is the kind of team that he and the other tour selectors pick while on away tours. He cannot expect a fast bowler to bowl 40-50 overs an innings every other time. Zak is nearing the end of his playing career and he is asked to bowl 40+ overs, that is absolutely ridiculous. How long can anyone take this kind of grind ? They should pick a 5th bowling option who can contribute better than Rohit Sharma and put him in the team. Spinner won't be able to do the job of picking wickets on pitches like the one at the Basin. Same had happened at Wanderers too. So, people like Jadeja or Ashwin must play primarily as batsmen in such conditions while their bowling comes in handy to give rest to the overworked seamers. In my view, Ashwin would have been a far better choice than Rohit Sharma for the Wellington test. Lastly, India must try and find a competent leggie who can bat a bit. That option will be a real handy weapon.

Posted by Dinkepo on (February 19, 2014, 1:45 GMT)

As per MSD statement, he won't admit his mistakes and still depending his strategy of 3:1 policy which kill the team so far, therefore we can expect this thing will happend until MSD step down from test cricket but wonder no one from either BCCI or Ex'cricketers comment about MSD's poor aproach leading world record failures and he stuborn to change his basics.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (February 19, 2014, 1:20 GMT)

Man i wish Dhoni was my boss. I have never been praised for spending days doing an awful job. If I had spent 2 days doing work as bad as that I would have been fired on the spot, with no severance pay!

Hmmmm. Come to think of it, the same fate might face India's bowlers.

Posted by niazbhi on (February 19, 2014, 1:08 GMT)

"What would you know about Neesham anyway?" You are right. I do not know much. My point was india can easily play Jadega at 7 and have 4 bowlers. By having Jadega at 8 or 9, india is not benefiting from his batting. Congratulations to Nessham for his century.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 1:05 GMT)

Mickey Arthur can be fired; Andy Flower can be fired. What prevents from Duncan & Daws and Penny getting fired. If at all there is any, I don't see their contributions.

At least on the TV, I often see them sitting lethargically in the back rows in the dressing room. As lethargic as Zaheer strolling down to stop a ball speeding to the boundary. As lethargic as almost all Indian fielders in Test matches. Their electrifying fielding can last just for 20 overs, and if stretched bit, may be for 50 overs. Just don't have the strength, energy or intent to last 5 gays?

These are additional handicaps India have, in addition to:

a) A defensive Captain, whose tactics can work, only when the opposition batsmen have to take a risky route.

b) Lack of any set of bowlers who can take 20 wickets in a match, any where, more so, overseas.

c) Lack of a proper pair of openers, for Test Matches.

Posted by Square_Leg2012 on (February 19, 2014, 0:36 GMT)

So you allow a team that was 5-94 to end up DECLARING at almost 700 and you are happy with the effort? Listen carefully now. Flat. Track. Bullies

Posted by ashwineasy on (February 19, 2014, 0:03 GMT)

Can somebody tell me why Ravi Jadeja is in the team ? He is not a wicket taking bowler. So he cannot be the fourth bowler. Neither does he bat responsibly to be considered as aaak batsman. So we have a bowler who cannot take wickets and a batsman who throws his wicket by meaningless hitting. Maybe Dhoni sees something in him which I cannot. So essentially we had 2 wicket taking bowlers in the last test Shami and Ishant. Zaheer is a spent force. Do we still need a reson why we could not bowl NZ out ?

Posted by Diaz54 on (February 18, 2014, 23:32 GMT)

Dhoni, provides over analysis when explaining defeats, he goes into a surmon. Quite boring really. He has been given a cult status by Indian fans over the years....as a captain actually he is pretty bad.,as a player though he is good. Unfortunately the captaincy role,is key to win in difficult situations. India need to move on and give captaincy to Kholi...he won't do any worse. If you look at captains around the world, I actually think he is one of the bad ones. As bad as Cooke and one or two others. For example Pakmfans have a go at Misbah, he actually in Test cricket is not bad at all, leads from the front, and is pretty honest in his assessment and makes good use of resources available, little defensive, but on balance a good leader!

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 23:23 GMT)

@Chris Hannery. You make a good point, Chris. But, now a days the bowlers are happy with bowling 4 overs in IPL. They don't want to strain themselves in a low paying test match. McCullum can hit 600, but the financial rewards for him wold be minimal whereas if Kohli hits a double, his ad contracts would go through the roof in India.

Posted by IAS2009 on (February 18, 2014, 23:15 GMT)

dhoni should leave by himself, he should have said plainly we blew it, we conceded 550 runs to one batsman and rest of bowlers/lower order batsman, there is no shame in it, what it does it prepares you for next time, but if you believe no mistake was made, everything is fine then no change will happen. the evidence lies in the defeats in overseas games.

Posted by aakashxi on (February 18, 2014, 23:06 GMT)

Shami is the only decent bowler we are having now, any Captain will have hard time if he doesn't have fast bowlers who cannot use the seaming condition. We need to change the bowling department and probably bring in some bowling legends as coaches we definitely can afford them with the revenue bcci makes.

My opinion, let us give few more tests for the batsman to perform lets not jump onto them and criticize after each and every match. In away test lets play with four fast bowlers and Aswhin as a spin bowling all Batsman(Jadeja can never be a good test batsman).Let Zak be to give guidance to young fast bowlers and bring buvi when you know he can swing both ways.

Give the team some rest dont criticize each and every action, dont laud them after a single innings or push them to dumps after one match. They are promising with few minor changes things will fall in place.

Posted by aakashxi on (February 18, 2014, 22:55 GMT)

Coming to bowlers, Ishant Sharma needs go away thats for sure needless to say. If Varun Aaron had performed well in odi's he would be in playing we all know how he performed then why make noise bringing him ?Zak after his comeback has taken 16 wickets in 4 tests which i dont think is bad knowing that we need someone to guide and swing both ways. For everyone who bashes ashwin i noticed an interesting comparison,both ashwin & Warne played their first 3 tests in Sydney,Adelaide&Melbourne both took 9 wickets considering Australia being Warne's home its not a bad performance at all. Yes he went wicketless against SA in johannesburg, He was solely responsible for not loosing that match in second innings,he bowled 36 overs for 83 runs which saved us the match by 8 runs. I am not comparing Ashwin to greats in cricket but its too early to sign him off bcos he went wicketless in a test match which had no assistance for spin. And he is definitely a better batsman and bowler than jadeja in tests.

Posted by aakashxi on (February 18, 2014, 22:50 GMT)

Give them time to settle how many of the batsman has played in away conditions before these series ? the Batting averages of the playing xi in order from beginning of march: Dhawan:48.54,Vijay:40.88,Pujara:59.26,Kohli:59.28,Rohit:56.87,Rahane:47.37.Can you say any team everyone in top 6 playing less than 25 tests and everyone having 40+ average ? Dhoni is and never was a proper test batsman no matter what Period. We definitely need a keeper batsman but an important thing to note is if Dhoni leaves there wont be anyone to guide youngsters in team. I have played club cricket and i know how important it is to have seniors in team and how we get carried away after few good matches needless to say in International arena & each players being superstars already. DK is a very good prospect as keeper batsman, then who takes the captains role, Kohli ?. Everyone knows he is talented batsman but not a team player.Now dont bring gambhir into picture, let him make some runs in domestic level first.

Posted by Raj1960 on (February 18, 2014, 22:34 GMT)

If bowlers did their job, then captain is to be blamed for not converting winning positions to a win. Our bowlers did not do a good job in South Africa and in NZ. But I also have to blame Dhoni's captaincy. at five down, he should have been all over the two batsman. Instead he had spread the field out and had Jadeja bowl 25 continuous overs. Jadeja was ineffective and batsmen had no pressure. this is where he had to attack and forget about over rate. You have first got to to win the game. And he easily let it slip away. What a lost opportunity.

Posted by aakashxi on (February 18, 2014, 22:27 GMT)

There are lots of bashing the team and captain. Yes i am frustrated as well, truth is New-Zealand played a fantastic test match and the better team own the game. First of all we need to understand that the game is played at an International level and the teams try to fit in the best playing eleven. Before someone comes into conclusion i am not a Dhoni supporter to blindly follow him or a basher to blindly criticize everything. I am a cricket lover and appreciate a good game or an inning played by any team or an individual. Saying that Baz's and Watling's inning were one of the best i have seen in my following cricket for past 16 years. The team is new and building up after the big three left a huge gap. Most of our folks are less than 25 tests old and trying to prove themselves at the international stage.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 22:27 GMT)

Karnataka team which won ranji trophy would have given a better performance than TI. I never get to see dhoni rallying his troops together the way dada or a steve waugh used to do. Such things are needed when you are playing test cricket esp in foreign conditions. He is unimaginative, placid, and seems to meekly accept the failure of his pupils like vijay, jadeja (What is he doing in test cricket!!!) Its time India considers its leadership options in test

Posted by WC2011Champs on (February 18, 2014, 21:52 GMT)

How many quality fast bowlers have emerged in NZ side lately? The management has done fantastic job! India has to recruit fast bowlers from J&K (reasons: stamina and never-die mindset) and train them emulating other successful bowlers around the world. Even MJ needed to focus on a role model and grow that mustache. Recruit 5 bowlers each year by age 18, train by 22, select most fit and top 6 for overseas tours, and retire them by 30. Pakistan always had good fast bowlers and mark my words Afghan bowlers will soon have world class bowlers. J&K is the way to go for India.

Posted by bashbash on (February 18, 2014, 21:37 GMT)

After sometime everyone and everything reaches the end of their shelf life. Mr MS Dhoni has surely now reached his and he has lost his shrewd cricketing brain. With no disrespect to him, he has served us very well. But when time comes one should go before being pushed. If it was an Australian situation, the captain would have resigned long before, not wait for selectors to take any actions; unfortuately in India they keep dragging on, we just accept too much mediocrity.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 21:21 GMT)

MSD is frustrating the Indian fan.

Posted by WC2011Champs on (February 18, 2014, 21:17 GMT)

Dhoni comments are tantamount to saying "what problem? there is no problem here". The facts are out there for everybody to see. The problem has gone on for too long. Fire bowling coach, fire Fletcher, get Kirsten back (He is looking for a job). Take all freedom away from Dhoni if he wants to continue as test captain. Appoint three analysts on top of him to decide the playing eleven with him and the coach. Dhoni must understand and react fast - if the home team is playing with four fast bowlers then that is what he has to do. He can not be fixated on (his) methods that have not been working. We do make a mockery of teams when they play with one spinner in India. Don't we? That allrounder tag and the cry foul about not having one. Have specialist batsmen and have specialist bowlers and let them be accountable in their dept.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 20:30 GMT)

It's not Dhoni's fault. He just doesn't have the bowlers to win him test matches abroad. There hasn't been an Indian bowler in history to average under 25 with even 200 wickets. Likes of Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Mcgrath, Donald, Pollock. He has nothing even remotely near this quality so you cannot expect much.

Posted by Ajisob on (February 18, 2014, 20:18 GMT)

Why Dhoni is including MUrali Vijay!! So many chances given... Is it because he in chennai super kings... NOw its Dhoni can look at other new players are bring Gambir in to test cricket.. Dhoni always blames the bowlers and other conditions so calmly and others also accept all..........Lets wait and where this ends...

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 20:01 GMT)

@ultimate warrior....then does not that mean that smith loses an awful lot of test matches at home...just the way dhoni loses away matches smith loses home matches...surely that is worse than losing away matches? you dont forgive dhoni for losing so many away matches...what would you say if he had lost those no. of matches at home...now that you point out that smith has lost that much at home should not smith be removed from captaincy? is he fit to lead?...he cannot lead his side well even at home....

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 19:26 GMT)

Dhoni is delusional in lauding his bowler's will.McCullum's monumental innings shouldn't disguise the fact that successive bit-part batsmen in Watling and Neesham(#s 7&8 no less!)made 100s when India were in a position to close out a victory - surely evidence his bowling attack tapered off! "You don't see sides playing with3fast bowlers &1 spinner &putting the kind of effort we did."Please!Test cricket demands nothing less than consistent effort,will & innovation, attributes the Indian bowlers have repeatedly demonstrated they lack. Dhoni's captaincy privileges obsequious pragmatism over pro-activeness,& coupled with India's buffet bowling attack has allowed a spate of batsman to make marathon scores against them in recent away tours:Cook 's 294, Clarke's 329* in 2012& now BJM's 300.This horrendous record cannot be overlooked any longer! Indian cricket must move away from its fixation with 20/20 & flat pitches & address its ongoing bowling woes. Accepting there's a problem is step 1!

Posted by RK.Chandru on (February 18, 2014, 19:20 GMT)

It's time to remove MSD from captaincy and make Kohli or Ghambir as captain of test team. His looking towards a certain bunch of players is hurting the team like hell. While everyone was making a big hue and cry when Srikkanth was the chief selector, why are they keeping mum now? The present committee is doing a even worse job. seems like, Dhoni has veto power and it's he who decides the composition of the team. Why can't the selectors instead give him a team to lead instead of allowing him to choose the team he leads? We have given him enough freedom and suffered and it's time to check that and let selectors call the shots from now on. It's a shame we lost this way to a team that's ranked at the bottom. Let the genius, MSD accept it instead of giving lame excuses. He failed as a captain as well.

Posted by iceaxe on (February 18, 2014, 19:18 GMT)

@niazbhi - "Jadega and Ashwin are better batsmen than Neesham"...

So what? Neesham made a century. On the day he was better than Jadeja and Ashwin combined. What would you know about Neesham anyway?

Posted by TMSer on (February 18, 2014, 19:13 GMT)

Dhoni doesn't know why india haven't capitalised from winning positions? That's because hes deluded. the reasons are A. hes an awful, negative , fearful captain, the exact opposite of his character as a batsmen and B. selection committee ( and dhoni) refuse to accept the fact that they don't have the bowling talent to compete with just 4 bowlers. they have to look at accomadating a 5th, or developing a seamer-allrounder (perhaps B kumar) dhoni always talks about their batting talent, time for them to shoulder more of the responsibility

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 19:11 GMT)

The under 19 indian cricket team play a totally different game...good aggression by the bowlers...even though they are quite inexperienced...maybe the senior team should try out some of them..."catch them young"...atleast we can see some sort of aggro from them...

Posted by fguy on (February 18, 2014, 19:09 GMT)

his post match answers are very revealing.

this shows that we're going to suffer the same fate in Eng & Oz bcoz he's believes the bowlers did a good job so no need for a change. when really we had equivalent of 1.00 bowlers (ishant - 0.25, zak 0.25, srj - 0.05, shami 0.45). even BD bowlers would've done better.

he says bowlers took 20 wickets. if you take 20 wickets at 1000 runs thats not something to be proud of.

he says they "ran in hard" ?!! is that all thats needed to be an int'l bowler?? pick anyone off the street & tell them you'll get paid as much as these guys do & they'll also "run in hard", maybe even harder, & they'll certainly show more intent.

fact is he doesnt care. if he can cash cheques irrespective of the results then why should he? he doesnt even respect the law of our country so whats a game here or there. he knows he'll hit a few hapless bowlers in ipl for 6's & ppl will be gaga

Posted by JonhyDwalk on (February 18, 2014, 19:01 GMT)

Just bowling well does not win games at this level. Bowling unplayable, great deliveries will win. Just baffling, at this level, to just say "We bowled well but could not win". It was the same case with NZ in the first test when Kohli and Dawan were running away with the game when Wagner produced a great delivery to remove Dawan. It was not the field placement, was not the strategy but it was pure skill and the determination of the bowler. I don't think our bowlers have that. They just run in and bowl (like Dhoni said). Good teams are good at blocking good spells, good bowlers.Wicket taking deliveries are a must for a bowler.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 18:57 GMT)

I think it is about time to say Good Bye and thank you to Zak. All this talk about him being a bowling coach on the field is bunch of hogwash. In these of days of bowling coaches riding the boundary line [McDermott, Donald], I am not impressed with the idea of on field bowling coach. The five wickets in the second innings had no impact on the game. Seriously, I think prolonging Zak in the team will do harm to Yadav, Pandey and Aaron, Just as Kapil [MY HERO] stayed on for three more years and prevented the progress of Srinath. Zak has done excellent service for Indian cricket but it is time for the final hug and good bye. Ishant scrwed up the whole thing by taking the maximum wickets. I will take him to England but if he gets back to his ususal role. FORGET ABOUT ISHANT FOR EVER. NO MORE CHANCES. Now where is the spinner to bowl on foregin pitches.

Posted by inswing on (February 18, 2014, 18:55 GMT)

The same team will go to England with the same captain with the same result. Ishant cannot be dropped now so he will bowl for another two years at an average over 50. Ashwin will be played instead of Jadeja, who will also average over 50 with the ball. England will find that all their batsmen are suddenly in form. They will think that their new coach has done wonders, where in fact it would have nothing to do with They did not learn after going 0-8 to Eng and Aus, so why learn from 0-1 to NZ?

Posted by fguy on (February 18, 2014, 18:51 GMT)

this is why all countries cricket boards die to have india tour them --

1. the boards get huge revenues

2. the teams get easy wins, easy series wins & rating points

3. their batsmen get to make career best highest scores, they can set batting records & improve their average without breaking a sweat

4. their bowlers get easy wickets & improve their ER & S/R stats & dont have to be out for too long in the field to do so

5. their debutants get to make an immediate impact which helps build their confidence for the future 6. their out-of-form players are able to return to form 7. so really win-win all round for them (only people who have to suffer are indian fans)

Posted by Albert_cambell on (February 18, 2014, 18:37 GMT)

Luckily. NZ dint have enough overs to bowl out India in the 2nd innings. Kohli should have walked out when he nicked that bowl to the keeper. Otherwise NZ could have won that matches. The two matches India avoided the loss happened due to bad umpiring. I dont know when do we see get to see Indian players playing with good sportsmanship spirit. First Jadeja during the 3rd ODI and now its Kohli. NZ deserved to win both series 5-0 and 2-0.

Posted by ns4ckt on (February 18, 2014, 18:37 GMT)

MSD is very creative in manufacturing reasons to justify. He talked about experience - people with 5 or 6 test experience. Interestingly they were the ones who contributed very well in this match. You have a young team with experienced bowlers. What is the excuse to not field well? Energy on the field is a continuous process and it comes from converting boundaries to 2s and 2s to ones. Our spin department is pathetic and MSD doesn't know how to handle and neither does he have the mature spinners who can take on their own. Saurav was an adamant bloke and MSD is another extreme. MSD has not been a leader on the field especially in test matches. Time to give him a break to get the best of his attacking batting sense.

Posted by chinna151287 on (February 18, 2014, 18:00 GMT)

i think india need a fast bowling coach like glen mcgrath and shane warne because they are the one's who can make this bowling unit a better unit in both fast bowling department and spin bowling department.see we need young bowler like umesh yadav,varun aron and other really fast bowlers to be groomed under the guidance of glen mcgrath because he is the best man available.WE HAVE TO FIND NEW GROUP OF FAST BOWLERS AND MAKE THEM MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY FIT WITH GUIDANCE OF PROPER COACHES LIKE GLEN MCgrath and SHANE WARNE because if you see the interview give by ISH SODHI of newzealand team you can understand what kind of impact does he can have on the new bread of spinners in india

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

Issues in this series: Team India: Pathetic fielding. Dropped too many catches, helping McCullum's 200 & 300. No bowler will be effective with this many dropped catches. Stood too far behind in slips. Dhoni's: Team selection, which had too few bowlers, standing way too far behind the wickets to miss potential catches, unnecessary attacking batting in the first test. Zaheer Khan: Bowled too slow (120s) to bother anyone. Needs to be retired. Shami: Bowled too many unnecessary short balls wasting energy and letting the batsman settle and consume time. Murali Vijay: Useless opener and poor fielder. Drop him. Ashwin: There are many better bowlers than him. Jadeja: Needs to be taught to stay longer at the crease. Umpiring: Poor. Neil Wagner got away with some 50 side line no balls. BCCI: Must start using DRS. Make nice hair cut part of uniform. India's coaches: Did they exist? ICC: Make TV replays mandatory for LBWs and nicks. Increase 2 DRS reviews to 5.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 16:03 GMT)

All that they can try and do is to stop turning every seamer into a 130 KPH accurate line and length type seamer. Umesh Yadav is quick, Ishant Sharma had ones bowled at 150 KPH, Zaheer could hit the 140 mark consistently at one point. Munaf Patel came into the side as the fastest bowler in India. In that list, everyone lost their pace perhaps other than Yadav who anyways hasn't played much. But other than Zaheer, no one else has had the necessary skills to be successful when the conditions do not offer significant help. We need fast bowlers, and the BCCI should invest in finding quality seamers who can bowl fast, and spinners who can spin the ball rather than bullying around the cricket world.

Posted by wapuser on (February 18, 2014, 16:00 GMT)

It appears losses don't bother Dhoni. Indian team need change big time. Zaheer is done so is ishant I feel.Jadeja right now does not deserve to be a test player. Removing dhoni from captaincy now would not be a good idea because I feel even a completely revamped indian team can not win series in england or australia.Sacking dhoni and making kohli the test captain straightaway for tough away series may turn out to be disastrous for kohli. Kohli is our star batsman and if he feels the pressure it can have impact on his batting as well which is the last thing india wants.So idea should be to keep dhoni till 2015 as captain and let the team build. Indian cricket can still do wonders if there is someone in indian cricket who thinks honestly for cricket and be given the power to tell dhoni what is right and what is wrong.I fear if we have someone with that authority

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 15:57 GMT)

Dhoni and Angelo Mathews are the two worst captains in cricket at the moment. Both put defensive fields giving easy risk-free singles, rather than enticing batsmen to create angles to find gaps or to go over the in-field.

Given that 2015 WC is in Aus/NZ where 250-270 will be a defendable total in knockout matches, this strategy (if you can call it strategy) wont work.

Posted by Alexk400 on (February 18, 2014, 15:57 GMT)

If it is difficult to pinpoint why india lost or why indian bowlers did not able to break partnership , he bascially run out of ideas. Time to replace captain cool. he is no more cool. Just overseas loser. :)

Appoint kohli as captain. He has heart!.

Posted by Arijit_in_TO on (February 18, 2014, 15:07 GMT)

When I read the headline I thought it was a joke. After Australia were whitewashed 4-0 in India Dhoni stated (as per a Sharda Ugra article) "The kind of cricket that we play has entirely changed … The era of seeing aggressive cricket, where you had to have a mid-on up, has gone." If there is an ex-ante belief that it does not pay to play aggressive cricket then how will pressure be put on batsmen? NZ 5 wickets down and Dhoni going for attrition rather than the kill shows in the final result. Yes, the NZ batsmen played superbly and India's fielders did not help their cause but when there is an aggressive field placing then it must weigh on the batsmen's mind that even the slightest nick means a catch at slip --ergo; game over. As Ian Chappell has repeated time and again, and written about in 2012 "An important indicator of a captain's thinking is his field placings. A positive captain will always make the opposing batsmen feel their very existence is threatened."

Posted by niazbhi on (February 18, 2014, 14:58 GMT)

Johnson is bowling at a speed and with an aggression that he can get a wicket from a flat track. Others are not capable of that. Steyn was in that kind of a form in india once. Marshall, Ambrose, Mcgrath, Akram, Waquar, Bond, Hadlee all had those moments. Indian bowlers bowled full and some short of a length which was all that they could do. Catches were missed. NZ batted well, This is the part of a game. Five bowlers might help because quicks will remain fresh. Since indian spinners are almost like genuine batsmen they can play at number 7. Jadega and Ashwin are better batsmen than Neesham.

Posted by Anandsadvice on (February 18, 2014, 14:41 GMT)

I think India fought really hard to win lots of effort in. But the result was not in India's again. I think what is lacking is variation in the bowlers. India needs to focus much more in bowling department perhaps a really good bowling coach should do the trick. Our bowling coach should be a past superstar and I think if we have a foreign bowling couch may be from Australia who is a super star in the bowling department can make a lot of difference to India cricket.

I think we cannot say anything to Dhoni as he is the only caption who has got courage to play any attack at any crucial time for India and he has shown it again and again. Caption as good as his team and this is what is true.

I think there was no defensive attack by Dhoni he had tried all he can. The bowlers had given all they got in terms of bowling long spells the only thing which was lacking is variation we need bowlers who not only bowl line and length but also more variation in their attack to keep batsmen guessing

Posted by ADARSH100 on (February 18, 2014, 14:31 GMT)

I support to what Dhoni has said right now. Its difficult to pinpoint why India cant capitalize the situations. Before SA and NZ series, the hype was about how well India tackles in bouncy pitches but India has done well in batting considering the experience of batsmen abroad. In bowling, India did well in few innings but they could not in the next few. So its difficult to pinpoint the mistake at once. People say about bringing up new talents again but how many we need in one team itself. Except Dhoni,Zaheer and Ishanth no players have played more than 10 tests abroad to gain some good exposure. Still how much the team has to juggle with its composition rather than sticking to one? Some say to bring in players like Sehwag,Gambhir and Yuvraj but how can we forget India lost against England with all the legends in the team?

Posted by GRVJPR on (February 18, 2014, 14:30 GMT)

Away record of teams in 2013/2014 : (Answer to why India deserves number 2 ranking) ------------------------------------- SL in AUS Lost 3-0 (Jan 13), NZ in SA Lost 2-0 (Jan 13) PAK in SA Lost 3-0 (Feb 13) Aus in IND lost 4-0 (Feb 13) ENG in NZ 0-0 (Mar 13) NZ in ENG lost 2-0 (May 13) AUS in ENG lost 3-0 (Aug 13) WI in IND lost 2-0 (Nov 13) WI in NZ lost 2-0 (Dec 13) IND is SA lost 1-0 (Dec 13) ENG in AUS lost 5-0 (jan 14) ---------------------------- Hopefully people have eyes and see it. Now talk to me who should be rank 1 or rank 10!

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 14:18 GMT)

huh..blast the 5 bowler theory...With this kind of "slow-fast" bowlers and a super defensive captain to boot, even 11 Indian bowlers cannot get 20 wickets...

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 14:11 GMT)

I personally do not think it is difficult to pin point why India keeps failing. It is because the odds are stacked against the Indian bowlers. You take only 3 specialist bowlers and one spinning all rounder into the test match and expect to take 20 wickets. Mind you that these are not fierce bowlers who have opposition wickets in bundles. They need help and they need variation and what do you do you go pick another batsman to pad up so called your world beating batting line-up. If Indian batsman are so good then why not just pick 5 specialist batsman, 1 wk who is good batsman and 5 specialist bowlers who are in the team for their wicket taking ability. Let each department stand on your own. We may still lose but atleast we are trying to correct the imbalance.

Posted by GurucharanDP on (February 18, 2014, 14:09 GMT)

@linguboy: Yes Sir, that what exactly I meant. India had some wonderful opportunities to try out different players and expose them to have a go in the helpful seaming conditions abroad in SA, New Zealand etc. But what did our management do? Who were the players tried? We should congratulate our Indian team management that players like Jadeja, Ashwin, Ishant were given extended opportunities in seaming conditions which would have been used fruitfully to try out new talents like Binny, Ishwar, Rishi etc or even Umesh Yadav, we have all have seen what he has done in Australia. Umesh was the only bowler who looked threatening down under. Not even 1 chance, now we all have seen how matured have Khan, Ishant, Jedeja, Ashwin have become given all the opportunities. All these show terrible flaws in the strategy and this was my point. We all know that Dhoni is a legend in limited overs format and when playing at home. But he definitely doesnt deserve Test captaincy which at least is evident now

Posted by dharam_16 on (February 18, 2014, 14:06 GMT)

@ A Guptaa: We need Gauti as opener & make him the Test captain.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 13:51 GMT)

India is optimistic on certain players, Rohit, Yuvi, Ashwin & Jadeja. But players like Ojha, DK, Vinay, Binny, Manoj Tiwary & Umesh are kept in the bench desite they erformed well on more occasions. I need a answer why was Ojha, DK getting ignored despite they performed well. Why was Binny not considered in ODI in NZ's we could have lost playing binny rather not playing him. It is very embarrassing that Ishwar was not given one single chance. Dhoni wants to prove that his previsions decisions were correct, by applying the same again & again. He will face the media stating we have performed better than before. Simple fact, you do the and you will then everyone will praise you. Someone change the decision maker (I don't know who it is). Your decisions are wrong. You will be fired soon.

Posted by ultimatewarrior on (February 18, 2014, 13:45 GMT)

@Sunil Vaidya...pls check again for away & neutral record comparison in terms of Matches | Won | Lost | Tied | Draw | W/L between Graeme Smith (55 | 23 | 13 | 0 | 19 | 1.76) and MS Dhoni (23 | 5 | 11 | 0 | 7 | 0.45) and further our own SC Ganguly (28 | 11 | 10 | 0 | 7 | 1.10)

Posted by espncricdiehrtfan on (February 18, 2014, 13:37 GMT)

wel said great legendary IMRAN KHAN , if your bowlers are not capable to take 20 wickets u cant win test match, 10 loss 2 draw, its pathatic, i m with leading comentrater harsha bogley said he didnt understand about raking how come india is still on no 2 when he lossing matching continuesly aboard. I m big fan of dhoni bcz of his batting sorry to say not bcz of his captaincy which is pathatic, he is still leading a team when his team loss continuesly 10 matches. Not a single win last 2 tours. I still didnt believe this, i have seen such things happened with bangladesh nd zim.

Posted by vrkp on (February 18, 2014, 13:36 GMT)

For (from) Eng tour, i would like the following things are fixed:

1. Its high time DRS is introduced and BCCI arrange for its use in domestic matches so that the players gets experience in how to make best use of it. our problem is not DRS itself but it is just that we don't know how to use it smartly.

2. Sack DF. He did absolutely nothing. If Flower can be dropped after one poor series, why not DF?

3. Dhoni should at least resign as captain as he himself have said he doesn't want play after WC15 in tests.

My XI for the first test vs Eng:

Dhawan, Ashwin, Pujara, Kohli(Capt),Rahane,Dhoni, Jadeja, Binny/Rishi (whoever does better in the practice matches), Yadav, Shami, Zak. Bench - Vijay, Rohit, Bhuvi, Ishant (just took 15 wkts in two matches).

I would include Jadeja as he hasn't done badly at all in the 3 tests he has played out of India. His eco rate was really good (< 2.5) and whenever there was turn in offer, he was able to bowl well. and his fielding is massive bonus.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 13:20 GMT)

Dhoni was never a test player, So why BCCI after him to be in test team. forget abt captain of test team. NON explainable reaasons of NOT PLAYING new bolwers and then crib abt same, WHY HE didnt play Yadav, ishwar and where is PRAGYAN OJHA AND AMIT MISHRA.

after so many faliures in ROW, SHALL HE NOT RESIGEN ON MORAL GROUND MAKE KOHLI CAPTAIN

Posted by Wahid59 on (February 18, 2014, 13:20 GMT)

@Mitesh84: Content with playing good cricket without winning a single match; and you're the no.1 ranked team!Many decisions going against India! Come on , give me a break!Did you count how many gone on your favor, or for that matter against your opponent! India of all the countries are blocking the way of universal DRS. It is not because it is not perfect (reason given by India), because the status quo is helping India! The argument of DRS not being perfect (even if it is true) is silly; it is not about perfection; the question should be whether it improves the accuracy of decision making. Plain and simple answer to that is, yes, it does. But who wants DRS, when Dhoni's stare could make Umpire change his decision of calling a wide correctly (recent India-WI ODI Series!) We're talking test cricket here, being world champions in T20 would not make India a better test team (outside India). What India needs is a fearless, innovative captain like Ganguly, not a safety-first Dhoni.

Posted by AdiCricketer on (February 18, 2014, 13:19 GMT)

Well India had its chance when Brendon McCullum gave two catches, one of them which Kohli should have taken. It is easy to say that now and when watching that ball live and Kohli missing, I thought sure we will get him next over. It was like that at that stage, no partnerships, wickets were falling for every 20-30 runs, it was easy. But that wicket of B McC never came, and he didnt give anything after the second missed catch. So what India lacks? India lacks intensity, that killer instinct to close off games, be that brutal, win by big margins, win convincingly - to do that India definitely need to bring up their intensity even higher.

Posted by captain70 on (February 18, 2014, 13:19 GMT)

2 tours without a Single win. Oh all will be forgotten soon IPL isnt too far away

Posted by vrkp on (February 18, 2014, 13:12 GMT)

While I too agree with Dhoni about our bowlers performance, this wouldn't have happened if he swallowed his pride and play 5+1+5 team combo. When NZ is going for the kill with 5 bowlers even though they are leading the series, why can't Dhoni take the same positive approach instead of settling for a draw?

If we don't play 5 bowlers (4+1 spinner) in Eng, i bet the 3 pacers whoever gets selected, will burn out by the time they bowl in 2nd innings in 2nd test.

Posted by pratit on (February 18, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

And about Indian pacers, the less said the better. That they cannot bowl is evident. They cannot bat. They are not even tolerable as fielders. You see players like Mitchell Johnson, Dale Steyn who are superb fielders besides being capable batsmen. Philander is very good with the bat. Even Siddle, Harris can bat well and English tail were decimated only because of Johnson. I hope Indian bowlers like Zaheer and Ishant were up against Johnson. I would like to see Zaheer( who is too afraid to face even 130 kph bowlers) try to slog MJ. Only the threat of MJ can force the likes of Zaheer and Ishant into voluntary retirement.

Posted by Mitesh_84 on (February 18, 2014, 12:54 GMT)

Cmmon Guys!! ... This is sport ... Brendon Mc cullum played a great innings .. india trued their best .. we cant be blaming dhoni and co . for losses .. we played good cricket .. last 15 matches .. starting from SAF tour till today .. india might have not one a single match ... but score line differs the effort .. only in 2 matches i recollect india succumbed easily but in rest of the matches india gave tough time to opposition ... many decisions went wrong against india .. bad luck ... i bet all of you india will reach atleast semis next year or who knows .. india can world champ .. take my words

Posted by pratit on (February 18, 2014, 12:51 GMT)

What else can he say. He is himself a burden on the test team with his ordinary keeping and worthless batting on foreign tours. Dhoni knows himself that he is too bad a batsman to bat at no. 7 and hence continues with the 4 bowler strategy which clearly is not working. Due to Dhoni's defensive mindset, the team is drawing the matches that it should have won. In both New Zealand and South Africa, India could have drawn 1-1 with another bowler. Instead the result is 1-0. It is hard to see India winning abroad till Dhoni is the captain. He has more than undone the good work under Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble etc. I would rather have an attacking personality like Kohli as captain. Yeah, with 5 bowlers India will lose some matches but they will also win some. Now, India are only losing matches, and drawing the ones they should have won.

Posted by orangtan on (February 18, 2014, 12:49 GMT)

Don't blame Dhoni and the players, blame the BCCI. Why can't its overflowing coffers be used to make greentops or get drop-in greentops ? Without some drastic changes, and it's not out of the box thinking but very obvious thinking, the batsmen will never learnt to cope with swing let alone pace and bounce. The pace bowlers will never have the incentive to bowl really fast or develop swing. Surely, a whole range of technology can be used to replicate a Perth or a Centurion type pitch, sure it's not the real thing but you have to start somewhere rather than produce roads where batsmen happily become bullies.

Posted by dhoni_sachin_fan on (February 18, 2014, 12:46 GMT)

@Arjun Kalidas : Add to that...Three out of five times, Ishant dropped a return catch when the batsman was on a double digit or lower score

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 12:38 GMT)

No bowling side in the world at present would allow an opposition to get away from 95/5 to declare at 680/8. What is the praise for? I cannot understand. You make a wrong selection (one spinner in away conditions) and simply argue that is the right choice, without ever feeling sorry for such a blunder. Team India needs to seriously think and get their bowling combinations right. Otherwise the same old story is going to be repeated again and again.

Posted by timepass2014 on (February 18, 2014, 12:36 GMT)

Dhoni should know why....he keeps chasing the ball. When we put the opposition down some how we let them of the hook. We become a bit defensive where dont want to take risk of buying the next wickets for few runs instead we want to restrict the scoring and put pressure instead of getting wickets and doing the same. We did that on the 3rd day of this game....we restricted their scoring but where did that get us. Dhoni seems to forget that we need twenty wickets to win the game and its bowlers who do that in test matches. Batsmen set the game up or save it at the most but without getting the opposition out we don't win games.

Posted by Krish_00 on (February 18, 2014, 12:30 GMT)

This is simply one of the tests where India did not have luck ! This is similar to the Kolkata tests against Aussies where Laxman and Dravid put India in a winning position . Hosts always have advantage in tests as the conditions are well known to them . All over the world cricket is becoming a batsman's game

Posted by Ms.Cricket on (February 18, 2014, 12:29 GMT)

McCullum played a great innings making the most of his luck but that does not change the fact that he is a poor captain. He nearly cost NZ the fist Test by his foolish decision not to enforce the follow on and here he could have declared overnight but waited for his own personal landmark and then let NZ bat on to make it seem he wasn't playing for his landmark and cost NZ a great chance to win 2-0. India would have stuggled if they had to play 90 overs on Day 5.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 12:13 GMT)

This is going to seem funny.. But these are scores of over 250 made by a player against India when Dhoni has captained.. In chronological order Mahela Jayawardene 275 in 2009/10 (home) Hashim Amla 253 in 2009/10 (home) Alastair Cook 294 in 2011/12 (away) Michael Clarke 329 in 2011/12 (away) Brendon McCullum 301 today (away)

Lets get one thing straight.. All of them are fine batsmen.. Some of them probably the finest batsman their country has ever produced.. But one thing is striking.. Of the five odd years Dhoni has captained the test side, let's assume he started in that famous series in 2008 when Ganguly and Kumble decided to call it a day, he has conceded a 250+ score by a single batsman per year.. It must be the worst for any captain.. He has also fielded Ishant Sharma in all of these games which is interesting as well.. Only Dhoni and Ishant are common to all these scores and Zak's played 4 out of the 5.. And here he is lauding the bowlers' efforts..

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 12:00 GMT)

Actualy the big three proposal not working already for India now the other nations are not ready to play India with this kind of show.... One billion and not a single real fast bowler.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 11:59 GMT)

Since Dhoni has started to captain India, India have conceded 5 250+ scores by a batsman in about 5 years.. This includes 2 300+ scores.. This wouldn't be as interesting if you don't see the only two common factors in all the five scores.. Dhoni and Ishant..

Mahela Jayawardene 275 2009/10 Ahmedabad (Motera) Hashim Amla 253* 2009/10 Nagpur (Jamtha) Alastair Cook 294 2011/12 London (The Oval) Michael Clarke 329 2011/12 Sydney (SCG) Brendon McCullum 301 2013/14 Wellington (Basin Reserve)

Posted by ishrat1971 on (February 18, 2014, 11:45 GMT)

Dhoni has indeed taken India to unprecedented success over the last many years. Also the wins in the WC and CT are a testament to his captaincy, however his methodology is not working in the test arena as well as the fact that if he was not captain he would have no place in the current test squad. The Coach also seems to have failed tactically so out with the old and in with the new. The overseas record will remain dismal if he is not removed

Posted by SaraJahanSeAchha on (February 18, 2014, 11:45 GMT)

Dhoni always comes up with umpteen excuses. Mc Cullum's effort was heroic but thanks to indian fielders for dropping sitter catch once again. Same in first test and batsman goes on to hit 200 and 300. The fact of matter is having right combination of bowlers and team selection being the cause. Where the hell was a 4th specialist bowler in both Tests?

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 11:42 GMT)

Team India at the moment desperately needs an all rounder(capable batsman) and while raina has failed miserably in all series so far, it is probably time to give Binny a chance, as he seems to be a much better batsman and his medium-pace bowling could prove to be handy on the Overseas turf as well. Binny has impressed a lot while playing for Karnataka in the Ranji Trophy and his recent powerfull all round perforamnce in irani trophy and also the IPL. The right-hander can not only pick wickets with his genuine130kph swing, but can also score consistently with the bat as well. Binny has also been an integral part of the R Royals squad where he got to play with world class players like watson who would have mould him into a better all rounder. Its time Dhoni & Fletcher inculcate new plans than actualy surrender to there redundancy.Now that the team is struggling to find its rhythm overseas, Dhoni should give chance to binny to prove his mettle and show confidence in his swing bowling

Posted by Rags57 on (February 18, 2014, 11:35 GMT)

What Dhoni needs to understand is that the opposition is only as good as you allow them to be. Does he have a justification as to why he chose to bowl Ishant with no slips? Saying we tried all kinds of fielding positions is foolish. Did he confer with the bowlers on what they wanted? I am sure Ishant would have never said he wants to bowl with no slips. Even more basis is about who decides what is the bowling combination? In your three plus one the plus one is a defensive bowler in overseas conditions. So in essence we have a three man attack and seven specialist batsman and an all rounder. Why such an imbalance? Why can't we play with six specialist batsman and five regular bowlers with one bowler who can bat a bit? When you are defensive you don't win matches and struggle to save. This is what has happened to India over the last three years in overseas conditions. Time we had a change - step in Kohli. Hope the selectors bite the bullet sooner than later.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 11:27 GMT)

Dhoni and fletcher need to re-invigorate their team composition and plans.The current lot of players are xtremely talented and equally good when it comes to performance barring a few.Team India needs a fast bowling all rounder outside asia otherwise our 3 fast bowlers will break down with the load and ashwin is not a good enough spinner outside asia to take wickets or contain. Dhoni & Fletcher need to build on stuart binny or rishi dhawan into a fast bowling all-rounder for away tours. Now that Binny is in the team its hight time Dhoni gets his plans right and make him play as a specialist all rounder for his 130kph pace swing bowling will add a new dimension to the tired attack and his positive intent batting will add just that missing flair of never to give up sehwag approach into the batting line up. Selectors should convey to fletecher & dhoni to demand proper chances be given to players in the 15 man sqaud and to to gieva break to CSK players/non performing players...

Posted by Sultan2007 on (February 18, 2014, 11:18 GMT)

In my view Dhoni is correct. There are moments in time when you simply have to hand it to the oppostion and put your hands together for their good play. cant take anything away from the Kiwis. Cant also take anything away from the Indian bowlers. They toiled manfully on a docile pitch that didnt do anything for them. The reality is that though the bowlers generally bowled the right lines and length, they are just not penetrative enough - unless the pitch or the weather is doing something for them. That is unfortunately the lot of Indian cricket today. Either we remedy this or reconcile our ambition to our harsh reality. Regrettably, Batsmen dont win Test matches!

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 11:17 GMT)

HARD LUCK... 95/5 when mucullum came, superb knock by him

Posted by CricketMaan on (February 18, 2014, 11:13 GMT)

Not that BINNY would have sent ripples into the opposition camp, but atleast would have boweld seamers and provided support and rest to the other 3. To expect 3 frontline bowlers to bowl 120 + overs and strike is wishful thinking. Is BINNY going to make a debut at Nagpur or Ahmedabad and take 5-for? If they had to play and test him this was the place..NZ. I can't see him play ahead of Rohit as Dhoni and Duncan are hell bent on playing him whatever the format is and however his form is. 5 Tets in England. Does Dhoni think that Ishant, Shami and Zak will paly all 5 tests and bowl day in day out? I pity the bowlers as his captain punished them. Shami soon will follow Ishant, Praveen, Munaf, RP, Irfan et all as one series wonder. The amount he bowled, should he even play Asia cup?

Posted by AltafPatel on (February 18, 2014, 11:10 GMT)

There is only difference between remarkable comeback & draw by NZ and India's innings victory: Kohli's easy drop catch of McCullam on 9.

Posted by brusselslion on (February 18, 2014, 11:07 GMT)

Looks like the England - India series will be won by the team with the 'least bad' attack. On the other hand, it might just end up 0-0!

Posted by JustAnObservation on (February 18, 2014, 11:06 GMT)

@sachin_equal_to_bradman. You mean to say that we can be winners only if we have tearaway bowlers. Look at the bowlers we had when we won the 1983 world cup. Other than Kapil, hardly any other pace bowler generated more pace than a spinner like Kumble. His favoritism is an open secret. He believes in giving a long rope, but only to his pals like Raina, Rohit, Vijay, Ashwin, Ishant. Others get chucked after a few (or even one) bad performances. Even big names like Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer, Yuvi, Bhajji, etc are not spared, while his friends continue to get selected series after series. Ishant took over two years to get a 5-wicket haul in Test matches. As is the country of one billion does not have any other bowler? Why not give even one tenth of the chances that Ishant got to someone like Rishi Dhawan, Pankaj, Dhawal Kulkarni, and so many others? Why persist with Ashwin on foreign tours despite repeated failures and also giving guarantee of his inclusion for the next year's World Cup.

Posted by wapuser on (February 18, 2014, 10:59 GMT)

Timid india deserve this outcome. With 4 bowlers all u are hoping for is a draw. You have to be prepared to lose to win.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 10:56 GMT)

A captain is only as good as his team. India, yet again lost an opportunity to win after being in the driving seat. Is it not a regular feature with Dhoni on overseas tours. The man has no intensity and no hunger to win. All he does is puts a spin to every lost opportunity. Watching the match live here in Auckland,it is seen that intensity in the team is missing. Dhoni plays the game with a desire not to loose. His field settings are silly. He is the culprit number one. He stands just too far away from wicket,as he likes to collect the ball from below his knees. All the slip fielders align themselves from his position. The slip catches generally do not carry to fielders. There is no coordination in field settings and the bowler, Dhoni decides the field and bowlers are supposed to toe the captain's line. Dhoni's field is not proactive but reactive. He is good only in home conditions but he is like fish out of water in overseas conditions. Virat is a smarter Captain overseas.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 10:56 GMT)

He is best at innovating excuses. Dhoni, it is time for you to move on in this format. So too Zaheer and Ishanth.

Posted by Mr.CricketJKNotHussey on (February 18, 2014, 10:52 GMT)

What Dhoni needs to understand is that aggressive captaincy has various rewards. His bowlers and fielders were tired only because they had to play so long. This amounts to a loss in intensity as they are all but human. When NZ were 5 down, Dhoni should have gone on the offensive, risking some runs but trying to get the wickets. At that time, Jadeja was bowling economically, but he was not threatening to take any wickets. So McCullum and Watling just played themselves in and didn't let India get a foot hold after that. It is true, that we don't have the bowlers to exploit even such helpful pitches, but they were doing surprisingly well, till Dhoni took the pressure off. Dhoni has won us a lot of trophies, but frankly, going forward, we need someone with more passion. And to those saying that even with a new captain, we won't win much, I disagree. Just look at Australia and Clarke's aggressive captaincy. He declares at risky moments to give his team the edge.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 10:51 GMT)

This IS a young team... but people forget the bowlers are not. Zaheer is well into his 30s and Ishant has nearly played 100 tests - they are VETERANS! Zaheer was amazing in his day, but in all four tests since he's been back he has shown signs of wear and tear - his stamina cannot last 5 days and his lack of pace makes it that much easier for batsmen to attack him (which they have done!). Ishant was alright in patches, but when the pitch didn't do anything, neither did he - in fact in the middle of NZ's second innings, he consistently bowled a middle stump line into the body despite MSD setting three slips. If the selectors have faith in a young batting line up, why not a young bowling line-up?? Surely the bowling can't get less effective than this? Yadav has the ability (he showed it in Australia) and more importantly he has pace to penetrate. Bhuvi, with his control and wrist position, would have bowled well on these NZ pitches too.

Posted by linguboy on (February 18, 2014, 10:47 GMT)

@GurucharanDP Sir could You please tell me how many fast bowlers did AUS fielded in the 1st test in SA??? Yes right '3'. How did they won the match???? Its not about the quantity but QUALITY. England Fielded 4 fast bowlers in the Ashes in Australia but lost 5-0. Its time we come out of this delusion that playing 4 fast bowlers will solve our problem. We need 2 quality fast bowlers along with Shami. That's it. We will win more often than not. Hah how comfortable it sounds sitting here and commenting!!!!

Posted by wapuser on (February 18, 2014, 10:41 GMT)

Jadeja should be given the opportunity to bat at 4 or 5 for at least two series to prove if he can be a batting all-rounder which his first-class record suggests he is. If successful this would allow India to play a 5 man bowling attack anywhere in the world.

I have never liked Dhoni as a batsman in terms of aesthetics but I doubt there is a better wicket-keeper/batsman available to India. The team is young so it doesn't necessarily benefit the team if a new captain is installed.

Overseas tours will always be difficult for India until they have a suitable bowling line-up that can threaten on seaming and fast pitches.

Posted by linguboy on (February 18, 2014, 10:38 GMT)

Please Dhoni atleast try I Pandey and Binny in Bangladesh atleast. Importantly give rest to Shami. He played every match since Aussies toured last year. lets go with this team. 1.Rohit 2. Dhawan 3. Kholi 4. Pujara/Rahane 5. MSD 6. Ashwin 7. Binny 8. Jadeja 9. Pandey 10. Aaron 11. Bhuvi. Give Mishra a chance or two. This gives bowling and batting for all conditions. Atleast change something when everything is going wrong or atleast try to do so. Good Luck. Even in this Situation I have a feeling that we are going to surprise lot of teams with our performance in the WC2015.Good luck guys.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 10:31 GMT)

It's amazing that Capt Cool and Drunken Fletch still have supporters !! They're such a forgiving bunch, these team BCCI fan bois. Where can I find such customers for my business ?

Posted by analyseabhishek on (February 18, 2014, 10:24 GMT)

No test captain can ever look good without a match winning bowler. For 2 decades, India had either Kumble or Harbhajan (in better form) or Zaheer in Dhoni's initial days as captain. Since 2011, he doesn't have anyone to fall back on, especially abroad. This results in all the defensive captaincy. Michael Clarke had questions being raised against him. Once Mitch J started hurling down those bouncers, the whole Australian team appeared changed and more eager to fight.

Posted by siddhartha87 on (February 18, 2014, 10:22 GMT)

It's a right time for Dhoni to quit test cricket for good.His captaincy skill are heavily dependent on pitches.Without weather intervention it's almost sure that India will lose 0-5 and 0-4 against England and Australia later this year.

Posted by GurucharanDP on (February 18, 2014, 10:18 GMT)

"You don't get to see sides playing with three fast bowlers and one spinner and putting the kind of effort that our side did" ROFL. This has to be most correct statement as other teams will never keep throwing garbage at batsmen for 2 and a half days. Only India can do this of course, correctly said SIR Dhoni. Live another day to loud another Indian series defeat in futur. Obviously no one can touch you as the CSK factory is there for the backing. Bring down Indian cricket to new lows but please do retire from Tests on one fine day so that at least we can see the resurgence of Indian cricket at least once in our lifetime.

Posted by Yedlachaitu on (February 18, 2014, 10:18 GMT)

First change test captan.where is our world class spin bowlers who takes more than 5wickes on green pitches. Our main main bowler ashwin need to watch score cards before 2000 and realize what is indian spin bowling and how strugles the bats man on green piatches. Bcci need to search talented spin bowlers and trained them under our legendery spinner prasanna. For next test series remove nohit sharma,vijay,zaddu, ashwin.and given chance to rayudu in middle order and send vridhiman saha as a opener i thick he is suitable for this position. In the place of jaddu given chance to rishi dhawan or jalaj,rasool depends up on the pitch and in the place of ashwin select the oja because he taken the wickets in county's on green pitches. My team for ausis 1.saha 2.dhawan 3.pujara 4.kohli 5.rahene 6.rayudu 7.rishi dhawan 8.zaheer 9.shami 10.ishawar/aron/ishant 11.oja.

Posted by linguboy on (February 18, 2014, 10:17 GMT)

@SinSpider Remember Eden Gardens 2001???? Remember Mohali 2011??? Both times Australia failed to capitalize on top situations and lost the match. In 2001 the enforced the follow-on but lost the match. In Mohali 2011 the need 2 wickets but India needed 90 runs but Australia failed to win the match. But we praised whom???? Laxman. Everybody said Laxman batted with grit and determination but none criticized Australian bowlers for not capitalizing on the situation when they are on the top. In the same manner Brendon played beautifully with the same grit and determination but who gets blamed??? Indian Bowlers. Sometimes its necessary from our part to understand that opposition can play batter than us too and give credit where it is due. Besides its not if as the track is a raging turner or a green top, it's a FLAT TRACK. See the rate at which Kholi scored his runs. Its not much difficult to say WELL PLAYED NZ, Isn't it?? NZ drew 0-0 with ENG(exp team) last year. 0-1 not bad for young team.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 10:15 GMT)

@VSC011 I agree with everything you have said about Dhoni except his criticism as a test batsman. He bats at no.6 or 7 in test matches. Not fair to expect anything more than what he is doing now. Kindly check his recent scores in test matches and you might be surprised. He is averaging among the highest in wicket-keeper batsmen (after AB Devilliers, and that flat track guru Sangakara).

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 10:09 GMT)

I think when rohit captain the side in the practice match he found out that ishwor pandey was the key bowler to restrict newzealand to 270/9 but dhoni said he(ISHWOR PANDEY ) is not qualified to play international game yet. How can dhoni determines that if he is able to play or not? Actually dhoni plan is failing miserably and what ever he is thinking is not helping india to win matches. Dhoni might think this is a way to go but as far as other players look at it india is always loosing with dhoni plan. If a plan is not working we need a new plan and if dhoni had tried all his plan and still he is not able to save matches than we need a new captain with new set of plan. some time we loose sometime we win thats a part of game we have to accept it but loosing 10 test matches in a row, loosing every where we go although we have good players in the team means there is serious problem with leader of the team. so team india needs new leader. I think under 19 team is playing better

Posted by linguboy on (February 18, 2014, 10:06 GMT)

I think everybody is too emotional. Understandable. But guys relax. This team has played just 4 tests outside India. Yes only 3 players in this team were there a year ago. They have to be given time to adjust to the conditions. Its not easy to build a new team. It will take time. Yes we didn't capitalize on the situations we could have won. But that comes only with experience. Right now we are getting 2 different players performing in different tests. We need to bind together a string of 3-4 performances a match. Right now in 1 innings batsmen fail while bowlers shine while in the other it's the vice-versa. Zaheer was clueless in 1st innings but he bowled well in the 2nd innings. It seems he is getting better with more overs under his belt. If Kholi had taken the catch this match would have been over by 3rd day. but alas not to be. Infact we should applaud our team for putting in those situations in the 1st place without being experienced. Remember ENG drew 0-0 with NZ. cheers. pub pl

Posted by sachin_equal_to_bradman on (February 18, 2014, 10:02 GMT)

@JustAnObservation: tell me one thing....Did india ever had a tear-away match winning pacer???? Never!!! Its kinda one series bowlers oly we had...Sreesanth for 2006 joberg....Agarkar in aus....RP and KHAN in eng!!!...Now tell is there anyone still playing??? Come-on man...Accpet that our system is wrong....With this pathetic attack even PONTINg,SMITH CLARKE or none can win matches!!! Kohli was placed for the catch..He dropped...Whom to blame??? Was this not captaincy??? Am not telling MSD is great captain...But for him to make us winning, He needs bowlers...Look @ CSK...They have adecent bowlers (Better than indian unit) and see the results!!! We have been in 6 semi finals!!! So give him bowlers...Then let us see...Umesh/Pandey??? come-on they are not tear-away..But could have been tested...

Posted by sachin_equal_to_bradman on (February 18, 2014, 9:57 GMT)

Guys.Calm down..Am in oopinion that MSD should continue till these overseas tours end since changing the test captain with this young side will actually put pressure on this team.None is even 25 matches old...Should they be burdened with captain? Not at all.Let them come to home series and then captain the side...Here MSD has nothing to do with such pathetic attack(Overall overseas tour analysis of bowlers say so). Even a PONTINg,SMITH,MARK TAYLOR Or CLARKE can win matches with such a pathetic attck boss!!! MSD kept a filder(Kohli) for that specific kind of dismissal.But kohli dropped it!!! Is MSD to be blamed???? Look the fact is we don't have good tearing fast bowlers is ranji also!!! Will a umesh yadav bowl lik mitch or styen??? Or atleast like southee??? He cant because we need to groom bowlers right from under 16's!!! Put them into trcherous traininggand then into int side!!! Stop blaming MSD...He won WC2011 with this pathetic attack.How? Because he had atleast ZAK now bowling wel

Posted by VSC011 on (February 18, 2014, 9:50 GMT)

I am shocked not a single former player has come forward to criticise Dhoni!!!! He has lost 10 test matches out of 12 with 2 draw aginst England, Australia, South Africa and now New Zealand. no captain enjoys such a poor record at overseas. he also lost home series against England. moreover can anyone explain what was his contribution as a batsman?? he has totally failed as a skipper and as a batsman. he is just not able to play in overseas condition with his faulty technique. i am shocked that he has been given number of chances as all know he just cant inspire other players to perform....BCCI has strong back up to Dhoni just because of Mr. Shri Nivasan. Dhoni won't even find a place in Test Squad if he is sacked from his captaincy.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:50 GMT)

really its has to be all blaim of caption i don't understand why people mean to say msd is not proving him as as caption or player when he and virat is the only constantly who had score runs in every tour say England Australia or New Zealand agreed on that he is defensive in his filed placing technique & also murali vijays form Indian team has to think about new opening partner for shikar dhawan as rahane is regular opener of Mumbai in ranji trophy and think to play much better player in middle order like badrinath or manoj tiwary to give chance most of the match we are loose outside india due to not put any good opening partenrship in batting

bowling department concern we bcci have to found good fast blower prospect for the future if India want win outside India where pitch is on bouncy side & had good grass on that because by no mean 130kph can match 140kph+ speed blower & our most of the bowler has avg.speed of 130-135 which is bread&butter for any batsman round the world nowadays

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:50 GMT)

I think after consecutive away tour loss without a single win , dhoni has to take responsibility and give resignation from captaincy also he always blaming bowler they r not doing well then he playing with 3 bowler and 1 batting all rounder how many bats he need in 1 test match

Posted by SinSpider on (February 18, 2014, 9:49 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni, your actions speak of a complete different story about your bowlers. If as a wicket keeper + captain, you have to bowl an over, that tells you the exact story of the bowling skills in the Indian team.

A "bowlers will" to take wickets should never be an issue to question. If they dont have that will, they should not step on to the green field.

I do not have exact stats but in my 25 years of cricket following, I can say the team batting at 90 for 5 and with a deficit of 200 odd runs has almost always lost the match.

Dhoni, now praise your bowlers.

Posted by yjreddyindia on (February 18, 2014, 9:48 GMT)

Mr Dhoni you know very well that pitch is offering a lot for pacers,why dont u go for umesh yadav instead of jadeja.ur arrogant and defensive mindset taking india to a worst position from winning position.this is not the first time it is happening to india.in newzealand a test was drwan(2009),india should have been won that.in 2011 against west indies he went for defensive tactics.(ended as a draw),in 2014 again the same happended with southafrica and newzealand.i never blame dhoni.but this time i can't hide my emotion.BCCI:please change this captain.

Posted by DanielRob on (February 18, 2014, 9:45 GMT)

Dhoni should be kicked out from this team as simple as that, no shame.. after every seires loss he will continue to say that his bowlers bowled well..lol...Members who should be dropped from the Test side are.. Dhoni,Rohit, Zaheer, Ishant.. But i dont think anybody has the guts to do this till 2015 World cup..

Posted by Raju_Iyer on (February 18, 2014, 9:44 GMT)

So typical of Indian fans to indulge in Dhoni bashing, without applying much thought. I mean the guy wins us a world cup, the ICC champions trophy and even leads an Australian white wash at home, but should be sacked because the team has not won abroad? How often were we winning abroad anyway? Given the limited resources we have in the bowling department, given the relative inexperience of our batsmen, I can well imagine our achievements with a new captain and new wicket keeper in the short term. Dhoni's greatest strength is his ability to get the best out of his players and on that count he cannot be faulted.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:40 GMT)

Dhoni has lost successive 4 overseas tours in a row -with first test against SA and the second now with NZ ending in draws when we were in.a winning position till lunch of fourth day...The losses in Eng and Aus were complete routs in 4days..notwithstanding the home series loss to England in between.It is time to hand over the leadership to Kohli in test matches to enable new and different thinking on strategy and tactics for Tests and not be satisfied with post match explanations for failure.The damage is real and painful and requires a ruthless attitude to turn things around when we travel to England later this year to be followed by a trip down under.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:34 GMT)

A comparison between dhoni and smith test captaincy....

Smith has so far captained SA team 107 times in tests- Wins -52 Losses-28 Draws-27

Dhoni has so far captained India team 53 times in tests (half the no. as Smith)- Wins-26 Losses-14 Draws-13

Posted by JustAnObservation on (February 18, 2014, 9:32 GMT)

Dhoni no longer makes sense in what he says. He hardly says a word against his chums. The rot started over two years ago but the Board and the Selectors have chosen to ignore it. The main culprit is favoritism. Half a dozen players like Ishant, Rohit, Raina, Vijay, Ashwin, Jadeja, etc were assured of a place in the team irrespective of their performance. Whereas in the world will you find a pacer averaging in the late 30s in Test and can still boast to be bowling spearhead of a country of 1 billion people? Where else can you find an opener who averages in the mid 30s and is still assured of a place in the side? Where else can a middle order batsmen (who is expected to finish off the game in style) go without a half century for 30 ODI matches and still be selected? Where else can a captain think that the opposition need to be set 617 to preserve a series lead and the Board officials do not suspect a foul play in that? Where else will a coach be retained after losing series after series?

Posted by LongLiveTestCricket on (February 18, 2014, 9:21 GMT)

I sincerely hopes he retires from Tests.Nothing against him in ODIs and T20s.As a batter he struggles badly abroad and plays rather innocuous shots in crunch situations.That is the last thing you want at no. 7 with a horrible tail.His captaincy is almost shocking at times when he gets long-on when batters are playing defensively or just to survive the day.opposition scores 700 he says bowling is fine, batters dropped on <10 make 300+,200+,150+ scores, catches go down in slips with alarming regularity and the same can be said about slip fielders standing deep.No test team seems to be making all these mistakes together than Dhoni's team but he's never owning any responsibility for the failures as if its only his personal business and not Indian national team.Worst ever Indian test captain with 10 defeats & 0 wins away in last 3 yrs.Also lost series to Eng at home. Its highly unlikely but high time he owned up the failure along with useless Fletcher, who has brought doom to this team.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:18 GMT)

One word to Dhoni - 'SIMPLY OUTPLAYED & OUT THOUGHT'

Posted by Naresh28 on (February 18, 2014, 9:14 GMT)

TIRED BOWLERS - well he keeps choosing the same 11 all the time. Why did he not try out Umesh and Pandey? If you lose so many times over - a change is necessary. Its not as though India does not have options - there is abundance of wasted talent. Dhoni should only play the shorter formats as CAPTAIN as the game suits his style. Also instead of 4 bowlers he needs 5 in TESTS - otherwise we are playing for a draw or losing.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:05 GMT)

Well done Brendon McCullum. The only New Zealander who was expected to achieve the triple century milestone and he did it at a crucial time. And Dhoni, be man enough to admit that taking the catches when presented is a part of the game. If you don't take the catches, you don't have the right to say "They never gave the opportunity". He did and twice. But kudos to McCullum cause he never gave another chance. What do you expect Dhoni.. After all, you gave him life twice.. You don't expect a player like Brendan McCullum to not make you pay. All i want is for you to admit your mistakes. It won't hurt your ego and make you look pathetic.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 9:02 GMT)

What a pathetic performance from Indian Team. The match which they should have won, has ended in a draw. 'Catches win the matches' must be told to Indian Fielders. They have dropped Mclllum twice or thrice and see the result. This is totally not understood why Mr. Murli Vijay is continuously playing in Team when he is not able to face the bowlers. His Footwork is pathetic. He must see the Video of Mr. Sunil Gavaskar when he was facing the most dreaded fast bowlers on his first tour to West Indies and made 774 runs including four centuries. These batsmen are playing with the emotions of the Indian spectators. Lot of changes required in Indian Team.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:59 GMT)

Dhoni is a very good Captain of the shortened games, so with the World-Cup looming there can not be any experiment with One day captaincy. But he should seriously consider stepping aside as Test Captain. As for Virat Kohli, the century not withstanding, his decision not to walk is a big blot on his career. If you thought Broad was wrong in that Trent Bridge test against Aussies, Kohli is equally wrong in continuing to play. Did somebody say it's a gentleman's game?! huh!!

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:57 GMT)

A captain should be a leader and he must leads the team from the front like BM. Dhoni could have given a win in the first test,where team were struggling to capitalize and he is the most experienced player in all the teams.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:54 GMT)

Pathetic to see dhoni lauding his players on a winless tour!! this shows the mindset of the captain and the team. Not worried about defeats. I think it's time to change the captain and bring in new ideas. this is the worst era where non performing players are given extended run simply because of captain backing. I think dhoni must restrict himself to play IPL and ODI. His defensive tactics of saving runs might work in sub-continent but is a failure in overseas. with england and australia tours coming up its better if dhoni himself hang his boots on captaincy.

Posted by srinideva on (February 18, 2014, 8:39 GMT)

There should be four bowlers and one all rounder in the test team. You can`t win matches with 3-1 combination (except subcontinent)

Posted by kri_push on (February 18, 2014, 8:39 GMT)

One more away test series loss, look what Mr Dhoni lauds the bowlers!!!! when the opposition is 5 down for 90 odds runs, you are in the box seat, 9 out 10 times teams would win from that positions, but in the last two test matches, Indian bowlers have failed take 11 wickets, bowlers cannot be blamed, batmen cannot blamed, who is to blame for the decline in the quality of Indian Cricket, the answer is very simple, Replace Dhoni with Virat or Pujara for test captain, Let Mr Dhoni play IPL. t20 & onedayers, he is no more fit to play test cricket, further after every test loss, I wonder does it hurt this Indian team, it should heart Dhoni than anybody else, but I dont see it, OZs after 4-0 loss to India walloped England 5 -0 won test match in SA, a rejunevated Johnson has become fearsome for batters, Aussies changed their coach & see the developments, BCCI, instead of amassing money improve the quality of cricket in India. Time for real introspection & younger players to come in

Posted by SydneyIndi on (February 18, 2014, 8:39 GMT)

@Jimmyrob83, @Uttarkar and @Coolalways, Can't agree more with you. Dhoni says "I think it was fantastic to see the way our bowlers bowled." Am I living on a different planet? Zak and I shant simply not fast enough / no good. Check their records, especially O/S. Dhoni has an avg of 29.2 outside Asia in 32 tests without a single 100! Do V need any more stats? Do they lie? Nope! Dhoni's stubbornness in selecting Zak & Isant and his own batting inability O/S over a long period is now self evident. He managed to snatch defeat or draw from the jaws of victory time and again. I am afraid the shameless (corruption finding? so what? we will fight it, attitude) and bandicoot behaviour of some top brass of BCCI / relatives is now copied by some players now. Hopefully the selectors don't go back to bad old days of selection based on hype, connections, IPL team, etc, etc. V REALLY NEED TO CLEAN THIS UP. Status quo doesn't work. For India's sake pls remove MSD, ZK & IS. Or it'l end up in gutters.

Posted by ravi-1967 on (February 18, 2014, 8:38 GMT)

Dhoni magic working no more. He is proving to be a very ordinary captain. There are few glaring issues standing out.

Murali Vijay, Rohit Sharma were failures whcih lead to a lots of problem. Surprisingly Pujara also was not performing to expectations.

Dhoni never accepts his mistakes and always praises the opposition whcih is good. But as a leader you first look within to see where the problems are and he never does it. Neither does BCCI.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:37 GMT)

I too don't question the bowlers will, however there is a big question mark over there skill. Honestly , in which international team ( except WI and Bangladesh) would Ishant and Zaheer find a place?

Posted by Meety on (February 18, 2014, 8:37 GMT)

Well I am torn on this article. On the one hand - I have to say that Dhoni was gracious in defeat (not always like that). On the other hand - he should be giving himself & his team a spray for losing to a team that recently got beat by Bangladesh! NZ do look like they are on the improve, & do play well at home - this is what India get for playing on niche pitches at home. Anyways - credit to McCullum for turning an almost lost Test into a series won!

Posted by GoCho on (February 18, 2014, 8:36 GMT)

Pls have mercy on us Dhoni and retire from test cricket! With the tours to England and Australia coming up this year, our quest for an overseas win will have to wait for a while. Unless the BCCI arranges a test tour with Bangladesh or Zim, but then there is no money to be made on those tours, so BCCI will not agree to it! What irony

Posted by sammysam on (February 18, 2014, 8:35 GMT)

Disgraceful dhoni. I can't believe what I'm reading. My grandmother can score 300 runs of this bowling attack. No amounts of wins in India can make up for the oversea loses. All the money in the world but still a bunch of losers. Bcci dhoni and selectors should hang their heads in shame.

Posted by SinSpider on (February 18, 2014, 8:33 GMT)

First things first. NZ.. take a bow. The way McCullum et al played test cricket is an advertisement for the game. But Dhoni's comments are misleading. He is adding a touch of glory to a default process.

When the opposition is batting for prolonged hours, ofcourse the bowling team takes the new ball, tries new fielding positions etc. There is no other choice. What is important is that the bowling was not probing. There was no testing stuff and venom. I was shocked to see Ishant, Zaheer and Shami giving too many freebies on the pads and outside the off stump.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:33 GMT)

If this was one off bolt out of blue performance fine,things happens. But it happened twice in four tests and if Davis had spotted the nick v know why he didnt the result would have been even more shameful.Its time Karthik to take gloves, Kohli o captain, simply i feel as it looks a bit listless just being star batsman and tell Zaheer thank you for your services but now its the time to move and Ishant we have seen enough of you come back when you can repeat your performances evenly across the match.

Posted by ashfaq55 on (February 18, 2014, 8:28 GMT)

How can dhoni say his bowler's bowled well???? If they were bowling that well then why did you (dhoni) take your pads off and have a bowl? ?? What a deluded man. Jadeja is no specialist spinner either. New Zealand won the series lol well done all blacks

Posted by sramesh_74 on (February 18, 2014, 8:24 GMT)

One never got the impression that Dhoni was trying to force the issue. He let the game meander along and helped the Kiwis achieve a few milestones along with sealing the series. It is time the selectors looked beyond Dhoni. Kohli should be handed over the reigns of the test team. His attitude of grabbing the bull by the horns and natural aggression will help. On the wicket-keeping front, the time is ripe to blood somebody like a Sanju Samson. Dhoni is worth his weight in gold in the shorter formats...not in the Test arena anymore.

Posted by sony_sr on (February 18, 2014, 8:24 GMT)

Team selection is the main problem. Every tom, dick and harry knows it. If dhoni is not intelligent enough to understand it, sack him! or is he acting like a fool to include people he likes in team? Jadeja in overseas condition is only good as a part-time option. and zaheer, my God, he is struggling big time. So that leaves 2 bowlers to take 20 wickets. One of them is ishant shamra who by records is the worst bowler in the history of test cricket who have played more than 50 matches. And our captain still saying he don't know where we are lacking... hmmm...

Posted by sjkk on (February 18, 2014, 8:24 GMT)

Each Indian side had/will have some passengers (At present they are Zaheer, Ishant, Rohit, Vijay). Considering that fact and disinterest of board to really better the game in India, these kind of results are going to be common. The board's priority is IPL, money and power. They are least interested in betterment of the game.Do not expect anything from Team India. In the sub continent, India, at times will perform but outside it is a fiasco.

Posted by ssasmal on (February 18, 2014, 8:20 GMT)

If Dhoni and the team does not know why the team is falling short, who else is expected to know. They are the experts, that's why they are playing at highest level.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

I see a lack of hunger and killer instinct from the bowlers.While batting for example if a player is afraid of the short ball,he will hop,jump and eventually get out.Same applies to the bowler. If he is hit for a boundary, he tries to bowl a restrictive line and length instead of going for a bouncer or yorker. That is what is missing in Indian bowlers.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:13 GMT)

this are words from a captain who cannot drive team forward to win he says done best in fielding positions kohil as done very best at short midon by droping McCullam

Posted by niazbhi on (February 18, 2014, 8:10 GMT)

I appreciate Dhoni's response. Fans are misguided. There was nothing in the pitch. Jadega should play at number 7 and india should add one more bowler (Ashwin for home tests and a quick for away tests).

Posted by Coolalways on (February 18, 2014, 8:08 GMT)

It is time India looked beyond Dhoni as a test captain. He is a fine captain in the shorter formats but, and I'm not trying to be a cricket expert here, his record as a test captain suggests that he is lacking seriously in that regard. Under him, we have the worst away record ever. India wasn't this poor even in the 90s when we were a rather poor poor test team. Even at home we have lost to England on pitches we demanded and got for ourselves. And this is not a knee jerk reaction. It has now been 14 away tests without a victory. And 11 of them have been losses. Something has got to give now. The status quo can't be maintained forever. What compounds Dhoni's miseries further in away tests is the fact that his personal performances are none for the better. If a captain is a consistent sup par performer, how can he command respect within the side or even come down hard on them? What worse can come out of trying out a new captain? India could lose more matches. They are losing 'em anyway.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 8:07 GMT)

For once i thought he would announce retirement at least from test cricket....!! but Alas !!! god save Indian cricket !!! BCCI should step in and ask him to retire...

Posted by Jimmyrob83 on (February 18, 2014, 7:59 GMT)

Dhoni is deluded. India's "fast" bowlers are club standard at best.

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