India in New Zealand 2013-14

Dhoni sees 'plenty of improvement' since 8-0

Abhishek Purohit in Wellington

February 19, 2014

Comments: 232 | Text size: A | A
'Fantastic the way our bowlers bowled' - Dhoni

Following the drawn second Test in Wellington, India have now failed to win even one of their past 14 away Tests going back to June 2011. They endured eight straight defeats in England and Australia in 2011-12 but this current side of young batsmen halted that streak with a thrilling draw against South Africa in Johannesburg in December last year. They then lost in Durban and Auckland before failing to convert a strong position in Wellington. MS Dhoni felt his team was continually getting better and would hopefully reach a point where they would start generating victories away from home.

"I am someone who speaks more about the process rather than thinking just about the results," Dhoni said. "We played after a long break outside the subcontinent. If you compare those two series [0-8] with the last few we have played, there is plenty of improvement. That's what it's all about. You want to keep improving to a stage where you start converting those good situations into better starts and start capitalising on it. So far you may say we haven't capitalised on the kind of starts when it came to our batting department, but still there is plenty of improvement. I will take that and move on to the next series."

India did not win a single game out of the 11 completed matches in South Africa and New Zealand. Dhoni said India kept getting ahead in New Zealand but could not make that advantage count with victories on the board. However, he felt there are still plenty of encouraging signs from this tour, even compared to South Africa.

"The ODIs were disappointing to some extent, especially the New Zealand part. South Africa, you can always say we didn't get enough time to prepare ourselves and in a three-match series, it is difficult to come back. But [in] New Zealand there were instances where we could have capitalised on the kind of starts we got or if we had a good partnership in the middle, but we failed to do that.

"We saw a glimpse of that in the Test match also. In the last Test match also, in the second innings, we bowled fantastically well to come back into the series. Then when we were batting, I felt we had a good partnership going but we lost wickets at the wrong time and that put the pressure back on ourselves. That's one part where we will have to improve.


MS Dhoni walks back for the lunch break, New Zealand v India, 2nd Test, Wellington, February 14, 2014
MS Dhoni has said there are plenty of positives in the team's performance compared to the South Africa tour © Getty Images
Enlarge

"What's important is to see whether we have improved and changed the way we have played our cricket. If we compare to it to the South Africa series, there are plenty of positives."

India had embarked on the tour of South Africa with an inexperienced top six, three of whom were on their first overseas Test trip. Dhoni said he had wanted them to develop as cricketers on the twin tours and while most of them had played at least one big innings, the captain said he would like to see them become more consistent.

"Often it's not about how much runs you have scored," Dhoni said. "It's often about what kind of cricket you are playing. You may get a good ball and you may get out. But at times, back home what happens is if you score a fifty, you are in form and batting well. But that's not the reality. A batsman who is batting well may score 30 runs and may get out to a very good delivery. As a batting unit, we have done well and we have shown improvement.

"But what's important is to be more consistent. All batsmen have got one good innings in the last four Tests. If we can improve that and make it maybe two or three, then the situation of the team really improves. That's one area where we will have to improve, and definitely that seems like something where we will definitely improve in the future."

One positive from the New Zealand tour was that Shikhar Dhawan showed he could score big at the top of the order in Tests outside India, with 115 in Auckland and 98 in Wellington. While his partner M Vijay could not get going, Dhoni was pleased with the "vast" progress of his openers in difficult conditions.

"It will always be tough, the reason being it is not easy especially with the Kookaburra ball. It does a lot initially even if the wickets are flat. It is always difficult for the openers and that is where experience to some extent really counts. You only get experience as you play more and more cricket. Considering their frame of mind how it was in South Africa, I think slowly there has been vast improvement, how they are preparing themselves for the games.

"Actually, Vijay in the nets has been batting really well. He has not been able to convert or take that into the match but he is looking really good. Shikhar again I think he batted well. He got big runs. It is really important he maintains himself in the same way, figures out how he needs to plan to be successful outside the subcontinent and what will be important is to back yourself to play the kind of cricket you really play."

Also comforting Dhoni was the intensity shown in New Zealand by the leader of his bowling attack, Zaheer Khan. The swing bowler had appeared spent in South Africa after sending down more than 60 overs in Johannesburg, but he was sharp through the 67 overs he had to bowl in Wellington, which included figures of 51-13-170-5 in the second innings. Dhoni said it was good to see Zaheer taking wickets, and added that is what the team would need from him regularly, in addition to the mentoring role he performs.

"If I compare Zak from the first Test he played in South Africa to this Test match, there is leaps and bounds of improvement. That's what I had a chat with him also. When you are playing with three fast bowlers, the role of every fast bowler becomes important. It's good to see him get wickets. Hopefully, what will happen is with more and more bowling, he will get much better. Now he will play cricket, you have the domestic circuit followed by the IPL. I think it will be good exposure for him. I think in the last innings over here, he bowled really well and that's where he will have to be throughout."

Abhishek Purohit is a sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

RSS Feeds: Abhishek Purohit

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

Posted by ZenCricketLover on (February 23, 2014, 13:10 GMT)

I like what AsherCA has to say about flat and green track bullies. If overseas teams cannot face our spinners, so also we struggle overseas on green pitches with fast bowlers born and bred in those conditions. However, there is one crucial issue we are missing. India needs to prepare pitches for domestic matches where the pitch supports pace bowlers for the first two days and spinners in the remaining days. This is how our pacers will be prepared to bowl overseas and our openers will have to be patient for the first 20 overs against our pacers. Our domestic quickies complain about how after 20 overs they are ineffective. Jadeja's batting profile looks great in first-class cricket, but he recently played one-day cricket shots in NZ when he could have stuck around in the first test and won the match for India with Dhoni! The initial aggression was helpful, but recurring slog shots don't work in a test match cricket. Dhawan proved that he had to curb his instincts on a fast pitch!

Posted by TheUltimateTruth on (February 23, 2014, 12:24 GMT)

@Alexk400, How can bowling incompetency be blamed on Dhoni? On the rare occasion when bowlers create chances, and the fielder is placed in the right and quite innovative placement (a la Kohli in the last test), they drop key catches. How is this Dhoni's fault? The likes of U.Yadav and V.Aaron have been tried and found to be no better than the ones he actually used. In fact, in the NZ tests, the much maligned Ishant did better than the crowd-favorite, Shami.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (February 22, 2014, 4:35 GMT)

Ashwin's bowling is harmless, to say the least, outside India. He should be replaced by Parvez Rasool. We desperately need a fast bowling all rounder. Rishi Dhawan should be fast tracked into the Indian ODI team.

Posted by AsherCA on (February 21, 2014, 14:47 GMT)

To everyone labelling Team India as flat-track bullies....The same Aus / NZ / Eng / SA fast bowlers get battered on flat tracks whereas India's allegedly weak quicks keep getting wickets here (quite recently - Mitchell Johnson of Australia was battered black & blue on Indian tracks where Mohd Shami of India got Australian wickets) what does this make their quicks ? Also - their batsmen cannot play even "Weak" Indian bowlers on the allegedly "flat" Indian tracks....What does this make their batsmen ? If Indians are flat-track bullies, I can simply flip your arguments & say your bowlers & batsmen are green-top bullies. Go figure. If like me you also said - the 2 sets of conditions are different, requiring different skill sets - some have the right skills for one set & some others have the right skills for the other condition - I can't argue with you.

Posted by SANATP22 on (February 21, 2014, 10:28 GMT)

Test XI G Gambhir(C) S Dhawan C Pujara V Kohli(VC) R Sharma A Rahane MS Dhoni(WK) H Singh Rishi Dhawan M Shami Z Khan

Posted by joelucky on (February 21, 2014, 2:19 GMT)

@KiwiRocker your beloved Pakistan has one outstanding achievement that India can never trump - losing a test to Zimbabwe. Go figure.

Posted by Des_65 on (February 20, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

What about dropped catches? Catches win matches and although the team is young, why can they not hold on to the catches offered? Also, can India play with 4 pacers on fast foreign pitches instead of relying on any spinner e.g. Irfan instead of a spinner?

Posted by Alexk400 on (February 20, 2014, 17:48 GMT)

TIM TO DUMP DHONI. Yes i want to him out of indian team. I know he is best in indian conditions but he is messing up team now. He is worst captain in overseas. Most captain can win in india but not the way dhoni wins but i really think kohli is overall better captain with strategy and leadership. Little angry sure but better captain. :) . he wears heart on his sleeve. That will allow him best player he can be. DUMP DHONI please. Dhoni can play ODI and T20 not TEST matches.

Posted by Snambidi on (February 20, 2014, 12:30 GMT)

Dhoni is Right. One or two failures can not be the criterion to judge a Captain. May be Dhoni lost a few matches abroad.but as an individual player he did not fail.he played very well. Why India lost the Second Test against NZ?simple answer. MeCullum& his partner played extraordinary cricket. Instead of Congratulating The New Zealand Captain ,don't blame Dhoni. sorav Ganguli& Amarnath started making big hue& cry to terminate Captaincy of Dhonoi One match alone is sufficient to justify Dhoni's capability to play & lead the country.Of course that is the Final of Champion's Trophy which he won for India Single handedly.

If at all any modification to the Team India is required ,it is not changing Dhoni but adding Yuvraaj Singh& Dinesh Karthik to the Team..Suresh Raina is another asset.Failing in a couple of Matches should never be the criterion for selecting Players. It is their technique they employ is of major importance. Dhoni should continue as Captain of all versions until next WC .

Posted by SANATP22 on (February 20, 2014, 12:11 GMT)

No planing & No vision in this side. Team even not selected on performance basics. R Ashwin performance very poring in last two series, its time to bring back Harbhajan or Ojha. Goutam Gambhir must include in elven and made test captain. Rishi Dhawan most give opportunity in place of Bhuneshwar Kumar. Time to give break Dhoni in Asia Cup may be good idea for Team.

Posted by baba6660 on (February 20, 2014, 9:11 GMT)

There have been comments emanating from eminent ex cricketers asking for the head of M S Dhoni. I guess these cricketers aren't following the way England was annihilated by Australia and how South Africa is being humiliated in its own back yard. The current Indian batting line up is work in progress and should be given time to find stability. We also need to realize that we lack quality fast bowlers and the average pace is only around 130 KM's which is low by international standards. Jadeja and Ashwin are finding place for their batting skills and Amit Mishra has not proved himself well when he was given opportunities earlier. Its for the selectors to find quality fast & spin bowlers and until that happens whosoever is the captain the current situation will continue.

Posted by SAURAVJAIN on (February 20, 2014, 9:08 GMT)

PUJARA and Manoj Tiwari are must in ODIs. And those blaming Jadeja should understand that he is the only top 10 Indian bowler currently.He is completing his 10 overs quota regularly.Even frontline bowlers like shami,ash or ishant do not bowl more than 7-8 overs.... Secondly jad has also performed with the bat many times.. First Give him oppurtunites to bat at no 5...Jadeja has more man of the match than rohit or ashwin or ishant while latter has played more ODIs. This shows he is a big match winner after kohli and dhoni....He plays shot balls better than raina and dhawan. Instead blame rohit and ashwin.

Posted by SAURAVJAIN on (February 20, 2014, 8:58 GMT)

Definitely in the defeat there are some positives too. Dhoni need to utilise his players in a better way. For instance in ODIs in place of Rayudu and Rahane who plays at very slow strike rate,Dhoni could have JADEJA at no 5....... A batsman of his caliber who has 50+ domestic avg and brilliant hitting abilities and good technique to play bouncers can not give his maximum at no 7 or 8.Had Jaddu batted at no 5 in Odis, he will have got enough confidence to bat a long inning at no 7 in test.He is better bowler and fielder than Ashwin or Ojha......... Pujara is must in Odis in place of Raina.And in both series that is SA and NZ Rohit has slowed the entire tempo right from the start,so this is also a sign of worry. In Nz India lost because of poor fielding.They dropped more than 6-7 catches in both the matches which are enough for defeat.. ODIS BATTING ORDER:1.DHAWAN,2.RAHANE,3.KOHLI,4.PUJARA,5.JADEJA,6.DHONI,7.MANOJ TIWARI,8.MISHRA,9.YADAV,10.SHAMI,11.KUMAR/ZAK

Posted by   on (February 20, 2014, 8:23 GMT)

Another stat.. I think, Dhoni is also the only captain to have captained a side that has given a 300 and 200 to a single player in a single series.. Oh boy.. Tough to argue about improvements now.. Clarke did it in 2012, McCullum now..

Posted by   on (February 20, 2014, 7:45 GMT)

cannot understand which type of positives they got. one things is any body can understand Indians in tremendous pressure.They are in loosing track. they try to hide their loosing track. professional players should accept their weaknesses, but Indians never like to show their inability. they think always they are perfect. quite amazing. small child also can identify the current form of Indian players.

Posted by suman2 on (February 20, 2014, 7:38 GMT)

Yes, some improvements. Dhoni is not one of them.

Posted by gavinfrank on (February 20, 2014, 7:05 GMT)

I think the time has now come to seriously consider a seperate team for Tests and seperate for t20's and Odis. Lets face it , India have great talent in their domestic ranks, many of whom have been waiting for years to get a chance. Players like Manoj Tiwary , rayudu, abhishek nayar etc. Are these guys ever going to get a chance to prove their mettle. Further more , there are fantastic players in the A side and under 19. Players like samson , kuldeep yadav, zol, etc in a couple of years will be ready for world cricket , are they going to get a chance? why not have a seperate side for t20's. Only Kohli deserves a place across all 3 formats really.You could use the t20's and ODI's as a launch pad to get into the test side if you are really that good. Samson , zol, rayudu, yadav, sarfaraz,rishi dhawan,aparaijit etc ..the list goes on. In a few years they will be ready to play for the national side, give them a chance in t20/odis , im sure some of them will play tests for india too.

Posted by here2rock on (February 20, 2014, 6:55 GMT)

"I am someone who speaks more about the process rather than thinking just about the results,", that is what wrong with Indian cricket. This is an old thinking, you must plan to win paying attention to every detai to unravel your opposition. You can't just turn up and do the basics and win, you must plan to win.

Posted by praneethtz on (February 20, 2014, 6:17 GMT)

This is a very young team and it has be recognized that Indian cricket is undergoing transition where legends have left. During this time of team building, I think its only fair to give the team more chance. Looking at this team's performance in last two overseas tournaments it is not bad when compared to the performance with the stable team (star-studded) which struggled in England and Australia. Coming to Dhoni's captaincy, I dont think there is no one more efficient or worthy enough currently to replace him. Kholi is still young and needs more mentoring before he can handle captaining. Defensive or offensive depends on the bowling resources available at the hand. In India people are restless/fast food culture and have a very bad habit to bring down their heroes/achievements ignoring the realities and assessing dispassionately.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (February 20, 2014, 6:13 GMT)

Dhoni and his side-kicks have been an embarrassment in New Zealand. The world cup winning captain Kapil Dev was sacked for losing against West Indies in the very next series. Wonder how deeply Dhoni is connected to be able to continue as captain after losing what 20 overseas matches now and all of them almost getting white-washed? Indian cricket is in sick hands both on and off the field. DK should be our WK/Batsman in tests with Sanju getting his rightful place in the near future. It should be curtains to Dhoni. Heads should roll. Explanations sought. Micky lost his job and so did Andy with a couple of losses. Wonder what's going on with our team. Fletcher couldn't ask for more security for his bum than working as a coach for our team. Not to say Fletcher is a bad coach. Is Andy a bad coach? Fletcher and Dhoni equation isn't working for us. Get rid off them. They are the ones picking that ridiculous playing XI. They are the most accountable. Heads should roll. Simple as that!

Posted by Water_Bottle on (February 20, 2014, 5:11 GMT)

@kumar mohanty. I agree with you.. The worst comment by any captian ever is that he is not thinking abt results.. Ha ha ha.. captian's ultimate aim should be a win.. Dhoni is saying that he is seeing improvement in the performance of players.. But one think he should remember is that it is not a district level tournament to learn your skills.. its international level where a skilled player is set to perform the skills.. I mean, its not the stage for the underrated players like jadeja, ashwin, vijay, rohit to learn the skills.. Its the stage where the skill players to perform like kohli.. So, dhoni, pls drop non-performers that he will never do for personal reasons.. Drop dhoni from captiancy.. Bring back gambhir and make his test captian.. Kohli should lead ODI and T20 team, which dhoni playing as keeper batsman in ODI.. Dhoni should leave place to some classy palyer like DK in test squad. Also should try sanju samson in T20..

Posted by vj3478 on (February 20, 2014, 4:18 GMT)

Ind were able to draw a match with SA and NZ. Can there be any better accomplishment?

Posted by Nocricketforbs on (February 20, 2014, 3:59 GMT)

The main problem exists Cricket Lovers expectation, in the tradition , basis of Indian cricket culture. Pakistan also another sub continent but they always have the quality fast bowlers.you can put list from Imran, wasim, waqar, Akthar,thair Nakkas, Mohamaed Asif, now Mohamed Amir, Junaid khan. But if you take India only kapil and Srtinath in the list. Because 90 % the Indian cricketers want become good batsman not bowlers. Eg. Gvasakar, Sachin, Venksarkar, Amarnath, Dravid and Shevag, and now Virat khol. Indian fans like cheer when a player hit six rather than a bowler take a wicket. In Cricket history, a bowler scoring a century is very common but a batsman taking a five is very very rare. Sponsors and companies are also prefer to deal with a batsman rather than bowler. Therefore Indian cricket board should bring this change from school level, otherwise this is going to be same story for ever.

Posted by RLDP on (February 20, 2014, 3:55 GMT)

Come on Dhoni, quit test captaincy, B McCullum has hit one triple century, you have the potential to hit many of em...we want to see run-machine batsman Dhoni...not the losing captain Dhoni.....

Posted by anshul_tie on (February 20, 2014, 3:51 GMT)

We need a coach like gary kristen and a bowling coach like glenn mcgrath or wasim akram.... Not a Gimp like venkatesh prasad... Who does not know how to ball....

Posted by buddhikapm on (February 20, 2014, 3:40 GMT)

improvement in loosing in terms of "number"

Posted by   on (February 20, 2014, 2:14 GMT)

India`s team selection(playing 11) itself very defensive. Unless they go with 4 pace bowlers in test or ODI`s , its very difficult to win in SA, Aus,NZ or Eng.

Posted by bumsteer on (February 20, 2014, 2:03 GMT)

Cant really blame the players if their captain settles for and praises mediocrity. Where is the mysterious Duncan Fletcher?

Posted by glen1 on (February 20, 2014, 1:47 GMT)

A lot of cricket is being played these days, so the shelf life of cricketeers is low; hence they hang on to teams through a buddy system. The only way to stop this is to leave out old players from the team selection. Dhoni and Zaheer have to be left out, otherwise, by the time they voluntarily leave, Kohli would have become cricket-wise old and ineffective. With delayed retiring of old players, as has happened over the last several years, India should brace for a continuous series of defeats.

Posted by CurrentPresident on (February 20, 2014, 1:37 GMT)

Of course there is improvement. Last year we lost ALL the tests, now we only lost HALF. At this steady rate of improvement, expect the Indian team to start drawing away series by next year and then start winning by 2016 :-)

Posted by popcorn on (February 20, 2014, 1:37 GMT)

Dhoni needs to be thrown out first.

Posted by La_Bangla on (February 20, 2014, 0:25 GMT)

He is absolutely making no sense. What process that he is talking about? The entire process is going wrong and that begins with team selection. Nor does he appeared ever to have conctract plan about anything...

Posted by Ravishankara on (February 19, 2014, 23:55 GMT)

Our bowlers lack skills. Steyn would make the ball sing and dance at the same speed at which our bowlers bowl. Our bowling coaches need to make our bowlers focus on developing and improving skills. It is sad to see bowlers like Ashwin and Shami who took so many wickets in India performing so poorly abroad. Batting too is patchy. No noteworthy contribution from Vijay, Dhawan and Pujara. Dhoni may see improvements but they are not cumulative enough to result in tangible better results in future.

Posted by bumsteer on (February 19, 2014, 23:00 GMT)

Who cares about international cricket? India are the coolest team on the park..and so is Dhawan's rats tail ! So lets just get back home and earn our millions in the IPL and be fawned over by adoring crowds in India. Yay!

Not even paper tigers... paper ducks!!

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (February 19, 2014, 21:53 GMT)

For starters, it might help India if Dhoni had a chat to some wicket keepers about his terrible wicket keeping to quicks. Standing 8 miles back and calling it unlucky when the ball drops short is a bit silly, isn't it? It's as though he wants the ball to come to him at about ankle height on a normal delivery so if a batsman plays late and nicks it it will always drop short. India would actually have done pretty well in both SA and NZ if the keeper and slip cordon were in the right place, with no other changes made.

Posted by Nampally on (February 19, 2014, 21:23 GMT)

Yes there are plenty of positives since 8-0 losses in England & Australian Test series. Main reason is inclusion of youngsters who were held back due to lack of faith in them by the Selectors+Dhoni. This alone made step improvement to the fielding due to greater fitness & agility. Dhawan, Pujara & Kohli showed themselves to be world class batsmen, Shami, an excellent seamer & Jadeja potentially a sound all rounder. Rohit Sharma & Rahane were finally promoted to XI after being benched by Dhoni for at least 25 matches, jointly. While these are positives the negative aspects continue. Dhoni's captaincy+ his irrational XI selection has deprived India of wins ! Ashwin regressed as a bowler & Dhoni has not developed any new bowlers because he only wants 3 bowlers in XI. How can weak Indian bowling improve with Dhoni's approach? Dhoni's lack of leadership ability was the main reason for the loss of SA & NZ series. These sure series Wins is the biggest Negative because "Results Matter Most"!

Posted by Practical_person on (February 19, 2014, 21:04 GMT)

Indian cricket needs a structural change at the grass roots. Targeting the captain and coach is myopic. Dhoni has done well with resources he has had. Catching could have been a lot better and that would have produced better results for India. We never had great bowlers. Kapil, Srinath and Zaheer were good bowlers but not world class.

BCCI should invest at the grassroots level to scout and identify talent and get youngsters interested in fast bowling. Prepare more conducive wickets at domestic level. Unless that happens it will always be status quo.

Posted by frozeninusa on (February 19, 2014, 20:38 GMT)

I must say that this is the best composure I have seen from Indian cricketers in extreme adversity. The losses sting but we cant go overboard and start blaming everyone for everything. I think Dhoni has done very well given the available resources and conditions. He cannot bat, bowl and field for the entire team.We cant blame the captain for everything. We did the same to Ganguly. The way he was treated by many Indian fans was shameful. As for this team, the bowlers did well enough given their experience except for the last couple of days. But the main issue to me was the total lack of consistency in our batting. With an experienced batting lineup, we would not have lost ether of the last two series.

Posted by bijuphilip on (February 19, 2014, 20:34 GMT)

I don' have a problem with Vijay's batting,but he drops simple caches in TEST

Rohit Sharma is the only batsman who is not comfortable. Vijay and rohit should be replaced. Aswin can be an opener insted of Vijay,Sanju samson or jadav can be another option for rohit sharma.

rest of the team looks good,only problem is the captaincy. that should goes to kholi. Davan2aswin3pujara4kholi5rahana6samson7dhoni8jadeja9irsant10shami11zaheer/varun/umesh for test team odi-1davan2.pujara3kholi4rahane5dhoni6aswin7jadeja8rohit(as apinch hitter)9binny 10BKumar110shami.--odi captain should be kholi

Posted by sidh78 on (February 19, 2014, 20:27 GMT)

Dear indian team bashers who call india flat track bullies please note the record of india on fast bouncy seaming tracks out side SC 1.india won 2 WC in 1983(ODI)&2007(T20)in eng & SA respe. 2.finalist in 2003 WC in SA 3.won CT this year 2013 in eng without loosing a single match(including warm up matches) 4.won CB series in aus defeating strong aus team having hayden ponting symond in 2008 in straight 2 finals 5.won Nest West trophy in eng in 2001 6.won U-19 WC in aus in 2013. 7.won test series in eng,NZ,WI 8.Draw test series in SA in 2011(1-1).nearly won that series but kallis inning save SA from defeat but india totally dominate that draw test match 9.nearly draw the test series in aus 2-2 in 2008 if umpiring in that series was not poor. 10.won tri series in WI in 2013. 11.india A team played very well in SA in 2013. Also india won many series & tournaments SL Ban. So if india is flat track bullies how can india have such good records on fast bouncy seaming pitches.

Posted by sidh78 on (February 19, 2014, 20:25 GMT)

This is for the fan of pak & sl team who called india a flat track bullies plz check your team's test record in aus eng & SA. first we see pak record 2002- SA 2-0 2006- SA 2-1 2012- SA 3-0. Lets look at how they did in England. 2001=1-1 2006-Eng 3-0 2010Eng 3-1. In Australia its no better 1999-Aus 3-0 2004- Aus 3-0 2009-Aus 3-0. Whitewashed on every occasion. Now how bout Sri Lanka. 2000- SA 2-0 2002-SA 2-0 2011-SA 2-1. In Australia 2004 -Aus 1-0 2007-Aus 2-0 2012- Aus 3-0.Against England 2002-Eng 2-0 2006-1-1 2011- Eng 1-0.so dear pak & sl fan ur record in aus is Aus 9-pak 0 & Aus 6-SL 0 respectively in recent year.so please just tell me who are the real flat track bullies & fyi india won series in eng in 2007 and draw series(1-1) in south africa in last tour in 2011

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 19:02 GMT)

This is really pathetic for Dhoni to say that he is seeing the positives. Yes there are some players performed well but the end result is he hasn't even won a game outside India in 3 years and that a very big reason why he should step down as test captain have never seen captains from any other countries saying this when they lose. India need to groom the fast bowlers and get a new captain .I thinks Virat Kohli is the guy to go this time. With added responsibility he will surpass greatness>he already is becoming a mainstay of Indian batting and he has the right aggression to go.Dhoni should still play as a keeper\batsman.I request all the Indian fans and cricket lovers to come forward and oust Dhoni\Fletcher duo. Dhoni was a good captain when Gary Kirsten was there but ever since Duncan Fletcher came India started playing a 2nd tier team that gets beaten by anybody outside of India. Please IND cricket lovers read this and Cricinfo please publish this.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 19:02 GMT)

Dhoni is a good captain and he is a successful captain of India.Sometime he brings one day captaincy into test cricket playing the waiting game.In one day match only 50 overs is there for a side so he could afford to do that.In addition to that with strong Indian batting lineup they should able to chase it down or score big total to defend. But in the case of test match if you play waiting game ,then opposition will take away with the game.Since there is no over limitation so they could bat for two/ three days :).You could believe in your captaincy skill but also need to see what other captains around the world do in the same situation in order to force an error from the batsman (Create some new plans) .In addition that he need to believe his batting skill in tests , he should be able to produce the same consistency which brad haddin shows as wicket keeping batsman. Dhoni failed at some crucial time if you look at the last two test series which could have been won by India

Posted by fair_paly_1 on (February 19, 2014, 18:58 GMT)

If the helicopter man does well in Asia cup all overseas woos will be forgotten.

Posted by ssasmal on (February 19, 2014, 18:35 GMT)

Dhoni may not have been attacking, but he was looking very cool, the opponents were unable to fool around. Winning is not important, one team will have to lose. More important is that how cool you are during the a game. In the true spirit of the game. Even during the 4-0 drubbing from England tour, it was not really the team quality had gone down. Team BCCI had been continuously improving throughout. Long live the king. Just have one query. Does ICC allows more than one membership from one country? Is it possible to form a new channel of playing cricket

Posted by Phantom255x on (February 19, 2014, 18:34 GMT)

I truthfully feel like the lack of keeping another specialist bowler is hurting India. India should have bought in another seamer in this match, as this pitch was ideal for seam conditions. By having another seamer, you give the bowlers some extra rest and you can have another wicket taker for the bowling side. Also, it allows for part timers not having to bowl much, which happened this test (Kohli, Sharma) because NZ figured out Ishant, Zak, Shami, and Jadeja. India is known for their batting but if they can't figure out their bowling lineup fast, they will find it difficult to win games, even at home.

Posted by BigINDFan on (February 19, 2014, 18:34 GMT)

To be fair the first 8 losses came from a team that was waning and super stars who overstayed their time in the team. This young team has potential and gave SA a run for their money and it is not easy to beat NZ in their backyard but lost the series due to captaincy blunders from MSD. Also the ICC rankings are useless and mean very little today since there is no team like the Aussies or Windies of former years. Any team can lose to another so one has to take series by series and match by match. MSD should step away from Tests and give the captaincy and wicket keeping to younger players. He should focus on getting the winning feeling in ODIs and T20s where he excels. Also Ind should play with 5 bowlers and 2 of them need to be high quality spinners - one legspinner for sure.

Changes to team selection and approach will make Ind win again. Shami, Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane inspire lot of confidence.

Posted by Jimmyvida on (February 19, 2014, 17:40 GMT)

Positives? Of course there are positives. For a change Dhoni batted the way he should bat and he scored runs, even looked very good. Isn't that a positive?

Posted by mensan on (February 19, 2014, 17:16 GMT)

I wonder when #2 team is beaten by #8 ranked team, still they can see improvement!! To me it's comprehensive drubbing.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 17:14 GMT)

What a pitiable plight of our team and skipper . So now 12 tests overseas and it's 10-0 that's since 2011 till 2014 i.e nearly 3 years. agreed we are in rebuilding process but there should be a limit to a losing sequence ! Are we going the Bangladesh way ? whenever they play overseas it's a case of foregone conclusion that the team will lose . So how many more years for overseas win ?

Posted by Venkat_Gowrishankar on (February 19, 2014, 17:14 GMT)

I dont understand why people are asking for Vijay's Head. in My opinion, he looked more comforable than Rohit sharma at the crease. 2 Dismissals were absolute ripper of deliveries. The other one was caught down the leg side.In my opinion, Jadeja nd M Vijay has serously stepped their game up to play in overeas conditions. There is no point in calling them flat track bullies or Sub continent condition players anymore. Kudos to both of them. The only weak link is R Sharma, I believe enough opportunities have been given to establish his place - 4 tests - 8 innings - 1 fifty---not at all good.

Posted by Unmesh_cric on (February 19, 2014, 17:09 GMT)

Dhoni is partially right. There is definitely some promise shown by young Indian batsmen in overseas conditions. However, the things that have not shown much improvement are Dhoni's captaincy in overseas Tests and the bowling department. Despite gaining so much experience as a captain in overseas Tests, Dhoni persists with his often-failed defensive style of captaincy. This was also pointed out by Sid Monga in one of the recent articles. When will Dhoni, the overseas Test captain, start showing improvement? Trying to "choke-up-runs-to-get-wickets" strategy may work in India with helpful conditions for spinners, but doesn't work in overseas conditions. Dhoni is struggling as an ODI captain also recently because of the 5 fielders in the circle rule. Again with this rule, Dhoni's strategy of choking up the opposition in the middle overs is not working due to field restrictions. Dhoni really needs a reality check and some introspection.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

Everything about dhoni and fletcher and all the selectors is perfect but they need to rotate players. We just can't let a player have a permanent place in the team even when he is not performing. ishant sharma needs to be reminded that heis not a permanent player in the team. the same goes for the other sharma. India does not need non performers. we have so much of talent warming our benches. Give them an opportunity I bet one of them will pay off.Why are we wasting our time on ishant sharma. we have so many bowlers in domestic cricket. Look at pankaj singh that guy has been waiting for his chance for years now. A big tall fast bowler. What is wrong with the selectors? why are they so obsessed with the same old players even when they don't perform? Dhoni's captaincy is fantastic. He is still backing his bowlers even after they cost india another match. We need bowlers who can rock the opposition not ishant sharma who can ease their pressure.

Posted by fair_paly_1 on (February 19, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

I see four articles in the post-mortem and they are all about India's performance. I wonder how many different articles from different angles there would have been had India won.

Does no one write from NZ's point of view except occasional Shane Bond tweets?

Posted by Jimmyvida on (February 19, 2014, 16:44 GMT)

Wonder if Messrs Sridar, Soura and Co knows that with their constant complaining Ashwiin was not included in any of the two tests in NZ and the second test in SA. His inclusion is costing India they say. Do these people hate this guy so much? NZ pundits say that they are glad Ashwin was not in the Indian test team. Wonder why?

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

It is quite simple. You need bowlers to win a test match. Indian batting is fine. Everyone in the top order has shown that they can score. The problem is bowling especially second innings bowling. There are no impact fast bowlers that can rip through a batting line up. But that's not the real issue as India never really had good fast bowlers. What's missing are quality spinners who can either take wickets or at least tie one end. That has allowed opposition to come back in their second innings. India is also missing a quality all rounder who can give bowlers a breather. Both of these factors reduce the effectiveness of the three seamers who now need to bowl lot more overs. I believe due to IPL and T20, India will continue to face the dearth of quality spinners in the future.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 16:38 GMT)

How he saw the improvement that no one can understand.especially in the bowling department. Team India can't bowl the oppsition out.need some changes in the bowling department.

Posted by Dani-Successful on (February 19, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

Nice to see Dhoni's false claiming. India should admit that they are nothing outside home...I predict their position will be more devastating in next 5 to 10 years, unless they stop paying attention to only IPL...Indian board wants nothing but money....If they are not a rich board I bet their condition would have worse than Ban or Zimbabwe.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 16:25 GMT)

best thing for indian cricket is to sack dhoni from tests and also as a captain in this format..

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 16:19 GMT)

Pandey played the inconsequential practice match but did well. Not allowed to play his first test. Sodhi was dropped and neesham came in. Got his first wicket (though it is great batsman(!) Rohit sharma) and got a ton on debut, thanks to the toothless "grandma" bolwing. This is the difference between winning and losing. Somebody tell MSD. Any player has to play his first test match first and then only second, third......50......100.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 15:58 GMT)

extremely good to see that dhoni backed his team even after failed to win in 14 away tests consecutively

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 15:51 GMT)

Learning for youngsters , I agree, but including, Rohit and Jadeja in squad is blunder, for youngsters its learning curve, but DHONI is a seasoned pro, he just keeps these guys in team for what reason?? hard to understand... Rohit may be talented, but its not evident at all....Dhoni's strength is his instincts, but instincts supported by stats and the conditions of the ground weather etc., is required, which is lacking .. I am sure we need to look ahead in terms of captaincy too, his keeping skills are found wanting, as a batsman, he is dependable, no doubt about that..only 3 seamers and one spinner( actually 0.2 FTE) is hard to understand. Jadeja is just a 10 over bowler and T20 too, so he just needs to be dropped, simple as that, Dhoni's attempt to jeopardize the career of OjHA was successful.. Congrats DHONI

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 15:45 GMT)

What is the problem India facing??? Indian super stars Sachin, Dravid and VVS just retired. It takes some time to get experience. And remember all most experience players also failed and then only they retired after Eng and Aus series. 20/20 format also giving some problem to play different formats to get adjust. Current team is very good team and they won many in India but failed all in abroad. And they are new out side India. One bowler or one batsmen can't win 5 day test matches often. Must be a team effort. Vijay is total flop must be removed in test matches.. All other batsmen did well partly. In india they win only with spinners. In out side spinners flop and pacers can never take 20 wickets outside. That is the big difference.

Posted by stormy16 on (February 19, 2014, 15:42 GMT)

I tend to agree with Dhoni. Despite the dissappointing results, I think the young Indian batters have done really well in overseas conditions and some of them on their first full tours. I also think Kholi has reached a new level. The guy could always bat but his test record needed to be proven and he did that on this tour. His batting in SA was sensational against a quality attack and his test record will soon match his limited over greatness and the guy is still so very young. I also thought the Indian pace bowlers showed good signs, especially Shami and yes wait for it - Ishant! Not convinced by Zaheer, he is not there to tie up an end, if he is not winning games he should make way for a youngster and there are few decent guys on the bench. Still cannot get over the fact India dropped Ashwin but yes overflow of talent. Results were poor but as Dhoni says the process was positive. Next time round India will be a different proposition.

Posted by Where_Art_Thou_Test_Cricket on (February 19, 2014, 15:39 GMT)

I live in the US. I watch US sports. Here, when people lose, they get angry. They are not shy about talking how poorly the team has performed and in accepting personal responsibility. The same can be said of the EPL and in fact even cricket (consider what happened in the Australian camp before marauding Mitchell turned things around).

Now look at this sorry excuse of a bloke providing excuses for defeats. The malaise that always existed in Indian cricket has now only deepened when he is left to carry on duties as captain. What a joke Indian cricket has become.

It really does not matter how much power and clout the BCCI wields. It cannot make this sorry bunch win overseas tests. TESTS, not ODIs are still the pinnacle of achievement in cricket.

Posted by SAURAVJAIN on (February 19, 2014, 15:39 GMT)

Dhoni need to utilise his players in a better way. For instance in ODIs in place of Rayudu who plays at very slow strike rate,Dhoni could have Jadeja at no 5.A batsman of his caliber who has 50+ domestic avg and brilliant hitting abilities and good technique to play bouncers can not give his maximum at no 7 or 8.Had Jaddu batted at no 5 in Odis, he will have got enough confidence to bat a long inning at no 7 in test.He is better bowler and fielder than Ashwin or Ojha. In a very short career Jad has 9 man of the matches while Rohit,Ashwin Ishant and many others do not have even 3 or 5 in ODIs.So he is a big match winner after Kohli and Dhoni and the talent needs proper utilisation as a batsman.... Pujara is must in Odis in place of Raina.... And any spinner who is playing just his 2nd test on soil outside of subcontinent should not be targetted.Jaddu took 6 wickets in an inning against SA.He has an uncomparable accuracy and line-length. So better utilise all his allround abilities

Posted by cricwar4184 on (February 19, 2014, 15:36 GMT)

People are saying that India lost more than 14 tests away. But i say only 4 and also better than the previous loses. We faced lot of innings defeat and whitewash in ENG and AUS even though we had big legends.

Posted by TRAM on (February 19, 2014, 15:34 GMT)

DKarthik should be used as temp captain & wk until India finds a long term captain. Honestly I wish Sanju Samson to partner SDhawan as opener (in ODI & T20). For people who dont know, Samson is also a wkt keeper. Any other keeper from India would be better than Dhoni - who stands safely a yard or two back than where he should be standing, making slip fielders stand too back as well and who would not run to the stumps when batsmen are running, and who wants fielders to throw "one-bounce" to him from the deep- instead of throwing to his gloves. (ever seen that?)

When KSrikkanth was the chief selector, people jumped up saying his team selection was bad - that was when India was ranked #1 !! Now it is weird not many are questioning SPatil. How do Ishant and Jadeja are in the team and AMishra, and new pace bowlers cant get chance? Figure the reason.

We were told KSrikkanth, Mohinder etc wanted to sack Dhoni from captaincy and NSrini overruled it. Lets see what SPatil can do.

Posted by Manoj1234 on (February 19, 2014, 15:25 GMT)

Dhoni should go. If he couldn't find a way to win against a team who you can defeat with one hand disabled in India, then he can't stay as he is not a good test match strategizer. Its not naturally gifted to him. In fact he is really not good at test captaincy. T20 and ODI captaincy should remain with him. Give test captaincy to Rohit.

Posted by wolf777 on (February 19, 2014, 15:19 GMT)

The only improvement India can hope for is Dhoni's skills as a captain...

Posted by Raki99 on (February 19, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

The batting has vastly improved from the debale of 8-0 and I don't Blame those defeats on Dhoni. There was a utter batting failures. They have become more competative in the last two away series. They were couple wickets away from winning first test in South african and second test In NZ. So Bowling still needs to Be improved. and Fielding the slip catches dropped by Vijay in the first test cost us the game and the second test also we dropped cathes which cost us the game. The Bowling is just pedestrain we don't have a good spinner and that is costing us the games right now.

Posted by thinkgood on (February 19, 2014, 15:13 GMT)

I agree with Dhoni. This is a learning curve for the youngsters in the team. The 8-0 whitewash was with senior players like Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid and VVS Laxman. This is the new face of Indian cricket and media and fans ( I am not sure they can be called that with this harangue) must give linger rope for this team.

Posted by 0mar1 on (February 19, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

MSD is a talented cricketer and used to be a good leader as well. That was before he started playing the corporate "spin" game of managing perception rather than dealing in reality. His press conferences now remind me of a CEO making a quarterly earnings call to Wall street analysts.

One of the pure joys of sports is that it lays the truth out in the open for all to see. No amount of spin and or brand management is going to change the scorecard.

Indian fans deserve better.... they deserve to hear the truth.

Posted by sumit1982 on (February 19, 2014, 14:41 GMT)

Only good news in last two overseas test series India team didn't get whitewash both from pro teas and kiwi .

Posted by myStraightTalk on (February 19, 2014, 14:37 GMT)

Will your employer show the same lenient that was shown to the Dhoni ? Is there a merit system in Indian cricket?

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 14:26 GMT)

@devilznitein 1. What is your improvement as a Captain in test cricket (Outside India)? 4 series played - all lost//he said the team is improving it means results will come... as a captain he is building his side// 2. What is the intensity that you see in Zak? His bowling was like net practises?//the way he generates those indipping outswinger s an example// 3. Taking cue from your comment previously, ( Spinners cant be attacking in green tracks). Shane Warne played in Australia all his life and was a attacking spinner? If i see your field position for Ashwin & jadeja, it is a retreat field (all in boundary types)// Shane warne didn get wickets n India coz Indian pitches has Turn and Bounce. whereas australian pitch skids through, he practiced in australian pitches so he gets wickets there// 4. What improvement do you see in the fielding? Ishant sharma bowling properly itself is a miracle and at that time when our dumb fielders drop catches, what can we do? its New zealand conditions.

Posted by Nampally on (February 19, 2014, 14:22 GMT)

While Dhoni is right in the fact that the team has improved in its fighting abilities thru' talented batsmen & improved pace bowlers, he still has several questions to answer. India a #2 ranked Test team must never lose a series to NZ- an 8th rank team. India could have won both the tests if only they finished 25 for 5 to 50 all out in the First test & 96 for 5 to 150 all out in the second test. You cannot play so poorly to lose from a dominant position. In SA, Dhoni failed to take the second New ball available @ 81 overs. He took when he was forced at 140 overs. This is crazy & lost the match which was heading for a Draw with India in command. A winnable first test in SA was drawn again due to captaincy blunders. However the greatest mistake of Dhoni is playing with 3 specialist bowlers in a 5 day tests, consistently. He was lucky that he did not lose one or 2 bowlers due to injuries. But over work caused a loss in their ability to take wkts. Where is the Leadership, Mr. Dhoni?

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (February 19, 2014, 14:16 GMT)

Dhoni lost the match when he refused to play 4 seamers on a green wicket. There was no need to play Jadeja or Ashwin on a green pitch like this one. They are basically club level bowlers who can only take wickets on spin friendly dust bowls of India. Rohit and Murli are done. They have had enough chances. It's time to drop them and try Lokesh Rahul and Rishi Dhawan.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 13:58 GMT)

yes after all this horrible overseas tours dhoni is only learning how to win. by when it comes to major cups dhoni has all in his cabinet, but as test captain he is worse than the local club captains, the tactics used by him is simply not acceptable. from 94/5 to 680/8 dec this shows that how to give away the match to weaker opposition. i hope the players learn something and start to win because we have to play 5 test in eng and 4 against aus. if nothing is done then it will be 5-0, 4-0 to opponent teams.

Posted by devilznitein on (February 19, 2014, 13:57 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni agreed the team has improved vastly, but i have a few questions for you

1. What is your improvement as a Captain in test cricket (Outside India)? 4 series played - all lost.

2. What is the intensity that you see in Zak? His bowling was like net practises?

3. Taking cue from your comment previously, ( Spinners cant be attacking in green tracks). Shane Warne played in Australia all his life and was a attacking spinner? If i see your field position for Ashwin & jadeja, it is a retreat field (all in boundary types)

4. What improvement do you see in the fielding? Ishant sharma bowling properly itself is a miracle and at that time when our dumb fielders drop catches, what can we do?????

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (February 19, 2014, 13:55 GMT)

@ Johan Kotze, spot on. Indian physique has not yet sufficiently developed to play 3 pacemen and a spinner. They need 3 pacemen and 2 spinners or 2 pacemen and 3 spinners all the time. The pinch in batting may be compensated by Ashwin.

Posted by rayfanatics on (February 19, 2014, 13:47 GMT)

People seem to be giving less credit to NZ. They were absolutely fantastic and especially at home, their pace bowling is only next to Australia and South Africa. The word "Indian bowling attack" is an oxymoron. No venom, no intensity and no purpose. How long can India hide behind the inexperience excuse. Just come in and get the ball through 22 yards. Genuinely excited for this young Black Caps team, would rate them more than the perennial dark horse at next year's world cup.

Posted by Hardy1 on (February 19, 2014, 13:45 GMT)

All of the top 6 except for Rohit got pretty big runs at some point & Rohit certainly showed improvement in this series compared to the South Africa one which is a positive when it comes to the batting aspect. Dhoni did OK & we already really know he's not the most reliable of batsmen in overseas Tests but not bad for a no.7, whereas Jadeja's batting clearly improved since the tail end of the NZ series which is again a big positive. That said, it won't do you much good when your bowlers simply can't get the wickets. Ideally you want a fast bowling all rounder to come in & seeing as the idea of India not playing a spinner is almost out of the question that would mean the all rounder playing instead of Rohit or Rahane (or Vijay/Dhawan if you move Rahane up to open). This won't happen but clearly India need an extra bowler & more aggressive captaincy to win overseas. I still don't see why Umesh Yadav didn't get a game in these last two tours.

Posted by srnimani on (February 19, 2014, 13:41 GMT)

Praising the bowlers when they give 680+ in the 3rd innings of a test? Wow.. incredible optimism for a captain..

Posted by jerryman on (February 19, 2014, 13:27 GMT)

the only positive is that they managed to draw the 2nd test. I think Dhoni was quite happy with a draw.. The difference in the teams was that McCullum was palying for a win and Dhoni was happy with a draw and the results reflect the teams attitudes. The only way you can draw some positives , you learn from your mistakes on overseas tours . The day of reckoning is the England tour . If there is a whitewash , then Dhoni will have to step down as captain from the test format . This will be an interesting comparison as WI and SL are also playing in England prior to the Indian tour .Now we will be able to determine which team can be classified as a minnow overseas .lol

Posted by arafatvayani on (February 19, 2014, 13:13 GMT)

If giving away 680 runs by bowlers is a great effort in the third inning, the I think dhoni is out of his mind and that is why India does not win overseas.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 13:07 GMT)

I am afraid Zaheer Khan is no longer of test standard. He was a stalwart for India for a long time and I remember the ball he got Jacques Kallis with in Durban in 2010 was as good as any I have ever seen. He was also very good bowling to (and getting) Graeme Smith. How India could leave Ashwin out for the second test against SA in Durban remains a mystery to me. OK, he did not bowl well at the Wanderers, but name a spinner of any country who did well there. He should be in the team as an alrounder (he is the best No 6 India has) and better than Sharma who is a brilliant limited overs player, but not a test player. Then play Ollha as your second spinner. The only way India can win outside the country is by playing two spinners with two quicks. India's strong point is spin, use it even abroad. At the same time, send Raina to play provincial cricket in SA or Austalia for one full season. He is good enough to develop into a test batsman in foreign conditions.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

Yes I do agree with the headline .We have dominated in patches unlike 8-0 where we were clueless most of the time. This is a young side where soon Ishant sharma will be the most experienced member!!He completely disappointed in second innings but I think he should be persisted with as he could play the workhorse role and 15 wickets in 2 tests is good enough to take him to england however much ppl will ask for his ouster .Coming to changes I think that Dhoni has to go from captaincy.But wait a sec Let's see who else is there. Kohli? Undoubtedly the first candidate. But unfortunately I think he would be better off not being captain of test team.I can't say about pujara coz I think he's not captain material. Rohit is an interesting case coz he plays much better when he is captain. His form started in IPL and no doubt continued throughout last year. But IPl and test are different things and he has played 6 tests only (ain't no Graeme Smith). So dhoni is all we have at least till dis yr.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 13:04 GMT)

dhoni should captain only in odi and t20. i prefer rohit sharma over kohli as test captain because kohli looks to be over aggressive and it would put pressure on his batting. on the other side captaincy to rohit sharma could give him confidence and he would bat with more responsibility. rohit also has good leadership qualities.

Posted by JoshFromJamRock on (February 19, 2014, 12:50 GMT)

Can you focus on the negatives for once Dhoni? They are the reason your teams loses. You have good players but how you use them in the lineup and on the field is very very important. For example, Rohit shouldn't be opening at all as #5 is his best position. Pujara should open in ODIs. The pace of Yadav and Aaron is necessary overseas. Zaheer is better for shorter formats. Bhuvi should bowl his 10 straight up. Ishant needs a better coach. Mishra and Binny should be allowed chances. Raina is still good on Subcontinent pitches. Yuvraj is best as a T20 player for now. And many more....

Most importantly though, as The Wall said, you need to be an aggressive captain; not backing down as soon as a six or four is hit.

Posted by WeirdBeard420 on (February 19, 2014, 12:36 GMT)

Well, he's a mediocre batsman at best - even less proficient as a wicketkeeper - and he is one of the worst cricket captains in modern history, but one thing MS Dhoni can do better than anyone else in the cricket world is make losing consistently seem like an overall improvement. Spot on, mate!

Posted by A.Ak on (February 19, 2014, 11:57 GMT)

Whats good: Rahane. Whats bad: RShmara even after 120 ODIs, is still playing for his spot in the team and failing. India is just lacking that winning blow. They had a few close results, either way. I think its because of both SA and NZ batted well against spin by not taking any risks and attacked the pace bowlers. India should risk going with 5 bowlers considering both Ashwin and Jadeja could bat. Most importantly with positive attitude and support from us.

Posted by cmahadevan on (February 19, 2014, 11:51 GMT)

Guys Now please understand the team strength of the current lineup. You taken out of dhoni and zaheer and ishanth, and look how many test played by the entire line up. This is very inexperienced line up. A lot of people could compare this team with Aus, because there are also in the transition. But they have very experienced fast bowlers. But india Don't. And please compare the results with Eng/Aus tours. It was a painful games to watch as an indian fan. they surrender with out a fight. But not in SA/NZ. They had their moments. They fought hard to come back in the game. Their intensity is clearly visible. Yes they gone down but not without a fight. In ENG/AUS tours how many times India crossed 300 run mark. How many centuries indians have posted. But look at these series. Almost every batsmen fought hard. I have seed no reason to hate this Indian team. This is a process. You have to wait. Back this young lads. they will deliver one day. Then all the haters will praise them.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 11:48 GMT)

Very soon a new rule will come in ICC that, India will not play any match outside India. If you want to play with India, you have to come in India. Otherwise India will pull out everything from ICC.

Posted by SinSpider on (February 19, 2014, 11:47 GMT)

SA are a much better team than NZ. If India is performing (losing) more or less the same in SA and NZ, then in my opinion their performance has gone down.

Dhoni is rapidly losing respect amongst Indian fans with comments like this. I am realising that he very rarely accepts faults and supports though some convoluted logic.

Posted by baskar_guha on (February 19, 2014, 11:31 GMT)

Yes, there is improvement but we now have bowlers who would normally be the second or third seamer or spinner in a test side. Taking ten wickets abroad in both innings of a test is a serious challenge as we have seen far too often. India has to find/develop a couple of strike bowlers (a pacer and a spinner) who can get you a wicket when you badly need it. Until then, India will struggle to win outside Asia.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 11:11 GMT)

this is completely ridiculous. you can't win in future also because of your players from Chennai super kings is not match winner so first throw them out &bring back sehwag ,gambhir&harbhajan

Posted by yuvi_gladiator on (February 19, 2014, 11:05 GMT)

ok can someone explain how its an improvement to loose from number 8 side in tests, the same side which we actually beat last time around. as a supporter i am tired of these worthless excuses, ok we have lost 10 tests in a row outside subcontinent now. fletcher has to go, it all started the day he took the job and his record proves it. during kirsten's tenure ind beat Nz in Nz, drew with SA in SA, beat WI in WI, drew in Australia and won a world cup. fletcher gave us 4-0 drubbing in Aus, England, 4-0 overall in SA, 5-0 overall in Nz, won CT that is it. where are the positives??? i think lehmann has shown what difference a coach can make, fletcher has to go and surely ind can afford a more aggressive coach i would like to believe.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:45 GMT)

at the end of the day whether they lose or draw or win these guys will be heavily paid and least bothered abt the results and the fans expectations.

Posted by Champagne_Cricket on (February 19, 2014, 10:41 GMT)

I fail to understand Dhoni's logic. Can someone please enlighten me as to how he considers that they've become better by losing the Test, ODI and T20 series to a team that is about 5-6 levels below them in the rankings by comparing with the big losses they've faced with teams that's on par with them in the rankings. It surely is not a valid comparison, right? It is the same as a heavy weight boxer being knocked out in the 3rd round by another heavy weight and then saying the he had improved just because he survived for 10 rounds with a fly weight boxer.

Posted by Champagne_Cricket on (February 19, 2014, 10:41 GMT)

I fail to understand Dhoni's logic. Can someone please enlighten me as to how he considers that they've become better by losing the Test, ODI and T20 series to a team that is about 5-6 levels below them in the rankings by comparing with the big losses they've faced with teams that's on par with them in the rankings. It surely is not a valid comparison, right? It is the same as a heavy weight boxer being knocked out in the 3rd round by another heavy weight and then saying the he had improved just because he survived for 10 rounds with a fly weight boxer.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:38 GMT)

Interesting observations of a team captin after winning not a single ODI/test match across two series! Would have been a reasonable assessment if the team was not ranked in the top 2 across formats and if one of the opponents was not towards the other end of the league table. The reality though is that overseas India is an average team but with exciting potential in batting - will that translate into a dominant team of this decade is unlikely. ICC ranking score should really be a bit more sophisticated and should give a higher weighting to overseas performance than it currently attracts.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:31 GMT)

im sorry ro say but with this bowling attack india will not win anything specialy overseas... indian team specially dhoni should bring a regular gud spinner and a gud left arm pacer to the team... jadeja murli vijay dnt deserve test place..

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:26 GMT)

Dhoni is here talking about the process. Let me tell Mr. Captain cool you are not a Afghanistan or Ireland. You are a test playing nation with more than 30 years of experience in cricket who needs developing a team. There are other teams who have new players as well, but they are not going in this process, but they are winning. It is rather sad by seeing this rather than accepting their mistakes, he is praising his bowling and batting, which at this moment are below Bangladesh. I am sure if Bangladesh have played this amount of cricket as India, I am 100% sure they have a better record than India. I can guarantee you India will not win in the next one year if Dhoni will be captain. Give Virat Kohli an opportunity, at least we have a better result than Dhoni.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:23 GMT)

Everyone here needs to remember that the present Indian team barring Dhoni and Zaheer is very inexperienced. For this kind of an inexperienced team they have done commendably well overseas- they almost won a test in SA and should have won both the tests in NZ. They did not get whitewashed 4-0 and 4-0 as was the case with Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Dravid and VVS on board in 2012.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:18 GMT)

Improvement yes. From white washes to drawing atleast one Test. Vast improvement.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:17 GMT)

Indian team follows the principle - The plan is that there is NO PLAN. Dhoni, Murali Vijay, Jadeja play every match like they are playing T20 for CSK. Their body language does not suit Test Match format. Dhawan, Rohit and Rahane saved their places by staying at the crease and making us feel that its a Test match. Maybe a regular spinner could have made the difference in the second test instead of trying luck with Jadeja and others. Can somebody explain as what Jadeja and Murali Vijay are doing the Test eleven.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:17 GMT)

Dhoni is still . Excellent,smart, fantastic ,awesome , brilliant captain in the world . But he had no bowler like lee, McGrath , Johnson , which can impact in overseas fast pitches . So I give thumps up for dhoni.???

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 10:16 GMT)

Before losing 4 consecutive away series....

he also won 5 consecutive away series...

Posted by catchsym on (February 19, 2014, 10:04 GMT)

Does not have guts to play with 5 bowlers, pick the same 11 (the rest are there just to warm the benches, let the selectors resign & ask him to select the 15. Imo even shami would have been on the bench had faulkner not done us the favour. we could have won in eng had he played munaf, won in SA & NZ had he played umesh, aaron or pandey along with other bowlers. I cannot beleive our attack is weak, its a decent attack, but we let the opposition win the tight situations with lesser bowlers. Get him out of test captaincy ASAP.

Posted by imransaheb on (February 19, 2014, 10:03 GMT)

It seems to be becoming a trend with home teams gaining advantages for their series over the visitors.India in particular oblige their hosts more due to various reasons other than the game.Specially with Srinivasan as the head.

Posted by Shahrukhkazmi on (February 19, 2014, 9:59 GMT)

Dhoni is talking like David moyes :D

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:50 GMT)

dhoni pls step down as test captain & handover it youngsters like rohit or kholi. I think rohit will be fit & kholi should take the odi captaincy. pls be an indian and throw away ur captaincy. concentrate in ur batting in test format. ur best captain of the team bt it's time to handover captaincy to youngsters in test format. mera bharat mahan.

Posted by heartbreakerz on (February 19, 2014, 9:44 GMT)

well in the last 3 years, away from home....india have only been collecting the positives while the opposition have taken away the trophies...so its high time india starts to collect some trophies as well but judging from dhoni's statements he seems to be quite happy with his positives n is not concerned at all about being winless in the last 3 yrs

Posted by wapuser on (February 19, 2014, 9:43 GMT)

I saw no improvement in Indian team ,ishant bowled in 1 st innings around 135-140 kmps hence he got 6 wicket ,once he is not selected for Indian team for next 2 series he bowled only below 127 kmph ,ishant and rohit both are selfish players for selfish captain .

Posted by ThePacifist10 on (February 19, 2014, 9:37 GMT)

Our Top 6 are confirmed when it comes to batting. But the bowling is in shambles...

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:35 GMT)

he knows he has a bad team they r no good just excuses dhoni b a man admit it u lost and over seas no good bcoz u play on flat pitches in india

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:34 GMT)

Yes!!!! It was all dhoni's fault... He did not manage, how to bowled all the kiwis... The match ended with a draw... Indian bowlers don't have any how to bowled on 4 th day... As a result kiwi made a recrd partnrship.... Dhoni must learn of his mistakes and manhe well for the upcmng series... Or he should handovr the captaincy...

Posted by XiTiZ_P on (February 19, 2014, 9:30 GMT)

IMPROVEMENT !!! --- Dhoni in SA you were playing the #1 team and in NZ you are playing the #8 team.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:29 GMT)

Don't hide behind platitudes we are Just plain bad but Couldn't cave less as IPL is all that Matters it is really pathetic

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:28 GMT)

I do not think MSD is supposed to be blamed entirely. The thought of being defensive comes from Uncle Fletcher. MSD had different field placement and bowling strategy during Krsten Era. He worked with natural intuition. And under Fletcher he works like a Robot. I think its high time India got rid of Fletcher and Joe.. India need coach with fresh ideas and sound technical knowledge as per current generation.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:24 GMT)

I think MSD has to look into his thinking process as well. I think he is trying to defend his team performance as a captain but in the process he is forgetting that now a days its not easy to fool people with few statements. His statements should click with realities... I think it is quite clear that Indian team is short of fast bowlers....

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:24 GMT)

Yes i also see improvement, but improvement in after lost match presentations and press conferences in terms of excuses and bizarre reasons for not performing.

Posted by jahbert58 on (February 19, 2014, 9:21 GMT)

@ Dhoni/Coaches, Batting is not the problem!! when you bowled a team out for less than two hundred and your team score more than four hundred nine out of ten time you should win that game. too much pressure is put on the bowlers when the team is a bowler short. statistics don't lie if there was a third test India would've lost that match because their bowlers been over work. batting kine up is too talented not to play five front line bowlers. can't insist on using the same method and getting same no win result.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:15 GMT)

now this is what is bad! first let him admit that things are bad... I mean one can't underplay the fact that India failed to win a single game against a much weaker opponent in terms of skills....and how on earth is dhoni comparing 8-0 with these 2 series?? if I remember something about recent cricket there was no dhawan vijay rohit pujara rahane jadeja and shami... he s got a young and quite experienced side ... if you call rohit vijay and kohli inexperienced then who else is supposed to be experienced? also the bowlers were pathetic and he lauds them! we don't have a single strike bowler who can pick up regular wickets and that's why we got smashed around for 2 days... if the captain can't be critical about performance he can't take the team forward...agreed one need not be ruthless but u need to keep ur players on their toes and not speak like as though they r on a picnic !

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:13 GMT)

We lost but could have won if we didn't lose!

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:12 GMT)

Mr. Cool can you describe please.. which things are positives in the team's performance compared to the South Africa tour or later couple of overseas tours.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:11 GMT)

India has played poorly in overseas conditions. They lost comprehensively in Eng and Aus even though they had players like Sachin,Sehwag, VVS and Dravid. They lost in SA and NZ though they were much better and they didn't have many senior players in the team. I feel this team is excellent at home and getting quite good overseas. There is no reason to dismantle this team. Dhoni has brought India more pride than shame and it is upto him to call it quits just like we allowed Sachin, Sourav, Dravid and VVS. It is time to treat him as a legend and not blame him after every loss. Its a young team that he has got and I don't think we have got a huge number of players in domestic cricket to take 11 spots in the Indian team at present.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 9:09 GMT)

This is not something new that we are seeing . If you look into the pre Ganguly era we hardly won any test matches abroad . It is from 2002 that we really started competing abroad .Now that this is a new team we should have patience with this set of players . It is just a matter of time before we start winning away .

Posted by Vitruvius on (February 19, 2014, 9:05 GMT)

This is total nonsense. He believes in process, but not in winning??? Mr.Dhoni,We fans do not care about your useless process which has led to 11 test defeats outside India, we need results!!!! Play sports to WIN! No one cares about your process. We fans pay money to see you win, not to see your process. Persisting with the same set of bowlers and not giving chances to new bowlers is the real crux of his captaincy. Ishant sharma still remains a mystery to me. That guy is in the Indian team since eternity. Dhoni and his pets are good in India alone. He must be sacked at-least from the test team for the sake of pride.

Posted by muzika_tchaikovskogo on (February 19, 2014, 9:04 GMT)

The Indian bowlers had the opposition at 30-3 in the first innings at Auckland and 94-5 in the second innings at Wellington and between times, blew them out for 105 and 192. If the series was lost, it was purely on account of Dhoni's ultra defensive captaincy.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:59 GMT)

sack murali vijay give some one the chance . he is simply wasting lol.

Posted by Iceman29 on (February 19, 2014, 8:47 GMT)

The following will happen in the near future..

1.IPL circus is coming...Dhoni will smash sixes allover the place and the commentators will give super hype comments about this guy and CSK team and all other failures will be forgotten..

2.Then we will travel to England, Aus and get hammered again and again (probably we will reach 20-0 and create world record ) and Dhoni will say that the team is improving...

3.After that we will play and win some matches in dust bowls and all the good for nothing bowlers and batsmen like Ashwin, Jadeja, Raina, Nohit will be termed as world class players...

It is like a Life cycle...keeps on repeating...ultimately the fans will be the fools...We really miss the Ganguly era....

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:39 GMT)

Looking good in net , does hold Vijay to be in 11. Dhoni it is india team not CSK.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:38 GMT)

A captain/coach is as good as his team. With India the problem is and always has been that they lack that killer instinct which you need to win matches whether they are in tight conditions or as easy as it could have been in the last test match. India has always been blessed with great batsmen but what they have lacked is not one but two quality world class fast bowlers at one single time. At no point in the past could I recall a fast bowling combination where the opposition might be scared when playing against India. That is one of the main reasons that India does not play well overseas. Making things worse for India is that we don't have a quality spinner which subcontinent teams always have. No genuine allrounder does not helps either. India's cricket board and selectors should concentrate and start grooming a bunch of quality fast bowlers, spinners, etc if they envisage to win a test series abroad. Please concentrate on test cricket and not T20/IPL ONLY.

Posted by dunger.bob on (February 19, 2014, 8:36 GMT)

No 2 just got rolled by No 8. That's all these is to know really. I don't think India are going to be no 2 for much longer if they keep playing by this.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:35 GMT)

M Sajid Iqbal Chaudry. Understand this please, New Zealand are not a team to be taken lightly they r the team that beat England in England, learnt how to contain eion morgan, they beat the west Indies, they now hold the world record for fastest hundred, they rapped India's sorry ass when India played their best team. don't make any excuses bout how India didn't play their best team Cz u knw they did. India didn't take them lightly or else shami and kholi would have had breaks during the odi series, India wanted to win but couldnt

Posted by Salman_Shakeel84 on (February 19, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

Is India become BIG enough (of big 3) to plays its away series in India too.

I believe that will save the faces else its looking for dismal from one of the so called BIG 3!

Total Humiliation!

Posted by cricketpurist on (February 19, 2014, 8:28 GMT)

Welcome back India- Asia cup, IPL waiting for you to erase all the bad memories. Dhoni sees plenty of Improvement but the true cricket fan is only seeing plenty of imperiousness from Dhoni.

Posted by kumar692 on (February 19, 2014, 8:25 GMT)

He needs to change his captaincy style in foreign soil (esp. Test Cricket), we all know him as very defensive captain when it comes to bowling or field setting. I always feel that he doesn't show much faith in his fast bowling department. I really don't why. I've often seen him not putting enough slip fielders and attacking opponent batsmen at the right moment. Also, the problem with MSD (in foreign soil) is that he doesn't lead from front as batsmen or as a player which i think he's more than capable of. I think it's not too far before he'd be dropped from Test Captaincy. To be honest i am still surprised that he is still in the test team as captain after debacle performance in Eng & Aus.

Also, don't go by his home test record, anyone can do captaincy in India...all you need his very good spinners.

Posted by tanstell87 on (February 19, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

yeah Mr. Dhoni plenty of improvement....8-0 to 10-0 soon it will be 19-0 with 0-5 & 0-4 in England & Australia later this year...

soon Indian fans will forget this away losses when our team plays against each other in IPL & from Rohit to Raina & Ashwin to Dhoni who has average of 25 in last 10 away tests will start hitting huge sixes...

Indian fans will forget 10-0....& Dhoni will continue being captain of the test team & will continue to spread fields when match will be in his grip & will eventually lose the test & the series...& he will continue playing Ashwin,Jadeja & Ishant over Mishra, Rasool, Ojha & Yadav- Aaron- Pandey...

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

Only improvement will be if Dhoni quits test captancy. This is effecting his captancy in other formats. Dhoni is kind of lost when India has advantage. Also for team taking catches need to be improved

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:16 GMT)

I guess people are criticizing India for their performances in last few series, in particular against NZ is not fair simply because we are not taking NZ unit a serious force in cricket. What I am really happy that over all, as a team Kiwis have emerged as one of the finest side lead by the Macculum. For me the Indian team is not even close to NZ team in overseas conditions. I have suggestion for Indian team that please hire some aggressive bowling coach Like Wasim Akram, Bret Lee who can teach them the art of wicket taking. Hope for any good performance in Test matches overseas.

Posted by amilag on (February 19, 2014, 8:15 GMT)

Mr.Dhoni pls go home...take care of IPL which is your highest piority

Posted by Sorcerer on (February 19, 2014, 8:15 GMT)

After every defeat, Dhoni's response is, "we have learnt, it will be useful"! 8-0 thrashings in England and Australia, followed by SA and NZ. When will the learning finish, as his beard is already white!

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:14 GMT)

Dhoni must be on something . Failed performances outside India shows the vulnerabilities of the team. They should have paid to win. BCCI can afford that

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:11 GMT)

Well, MS Dhoni is the best captain in Indian cricket history (including test). he helped team to win T20 and ODI worldcups. The recent test performance is the team effort. The nature of fact is that, India needs better quality bowlers to answer and contain opposition.

I would say Dhoni is doing the best job with a team having strong batting lineup and poor bowling, even they mostly play in India.

Posted by Aniyadu on (February 19, 2014, 8:10 GMT)

@joe7sanchez, Yuvarj was clearly the man and check Dhonis scores before the fnal of 2011 WC. i am not saying Dhoni is not a good player. He my remark on his captaincy. Everyone thinks it was Dhoni who bought us the 2 WCs. I say it was only only the team that played bought it. A captain is as good as team. If we have won coz of his captaincy skills why are are loosing now then????!!! He was never the best captain , he was just the captain of the best indian team. when his moves have failed most of the times no one notices, when clicked they say he was clever. at the end of he its the player who gives best of him to win not captian

Posted by yjreddyindia on (February 19, 2014, 8:03 GMT)

when will your mindset will change dhoni?please quit test captaincy and leave it to pujara or kohli.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 8:00 GMT)

Dhoni knows praise is the only way to stabilize psycho after loss and loss in away. Since 31 away matches excluding WI/Zim/CT 13, they lost whooping 26, won just one (that too not against host, but SL in Australia), 2 tie and 2 draw. Lion at home, puppy outside.

Posted by prawinq on (February 19, 2014, 7:57 GMT)

IPL overlooks all the failure of Indian cricket team. IPL ruing quality of Indian cricket. Players unable to concentrate which format to adopt. There are so many good players are there, board should divide test and limited over players..

Posted by damithM on (February 19, 2014, 7:46 GMT)

it's end of India...go home indians....

Posted by nachami on (February 19, 2014, 7:36 GMT)

I see lot of favoritism happening in the team. People are showing a lot of hat redness towards south indian. When Ahwin did not take a wicket in the first test match in South Africa (he bowled brilliantly but), he was not given opportunity in the second test (Second test pitch was favoring spinners which the entire world knows!). Jadeja was given opportunity in the second test match which was favoring spinner. Jadeja took witcket there. Had Ashwin been there, he would have taken wickets. I see the team management backed Jadeja!!!! What is that Jadeja had done in the first test match in Newzealand with bat and ball ?? Nothing.. Why was opportunity not given to Ashwin in the second test? Guys - As such there is so much of irritations for a south Indian by every one. On the top of it, do not kill a good player like Ashwin who is much more talented than any batsmen by your negative comments.

Posted by here2rock on (February 19, 2014, 7:33 GMT)

Murali Vijay has been bowling well in the nets? Lol, I am batting like Don Bradman in the nets, I should be selected to play for India.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 7:27 GMT)

dhoni is playing with his Personal team not with the Indian team if he is given chance he will select all CSK players ( including overseas players also)

Posted by here2rock on (February 19, 2014, 7:27 GMT)

India would have won if Dhoni was not a captain of the side.

Posted by joe7sanchez on (February 19, 2014, 7:25 GMT)

@aniyadu....hey yuvraj became hero of wc n t20 becoz he was in good form and dhoni didnt get the chance to play most innings....he always allows best player who is in form to take strike....do u think dhoni has very good avg becoz of his not out innings???? look at his stats with yuvi who have good amount of runs and in how many matches......

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (February 19, 2014, 7:23 GMT)

That's it Dhoni, get your head back in the sand.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 7:23 GMT)

Is this some kind of joke? The cricketing world is seeing a team getting thrashed every time they play outside their home. What has happened to the selectors who cannot see what is clear as crystal. Team India needs some major restructuring in their test camp. I guess, the only improvement Team India test line up will see under Dhoni is the ability to lose games after conceding leads in excess of 200-300.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 7:19 GMT)

@KiwiRocker most of your ideas make sense apart from your bias in favor of Pak & against Sachin & Kohli.

Can't figure out how, Pak, that were white washed to SA & leveled at home with SL is better than Ind that white washed Aus at home & lost 1 & drew 1 in SA................Plz develop unbiased mindset

Posted by aussie1993 on (February 19, 2014, 7:18 GMT)

@mayanka what r u saying australia took 6 years we only have 4-0 nd 3-0 poor performance in india and england rest of our record is solid drew test series in sa last tym 1-1, won odi series 2-1 there,won test series in sri lanka and also in west indies, won odi series in uae against pak so keep ur words in ur pocket

Posted by Samirtt on (February 19, 2014, 7:18 GMT)

11 losses out of 14 tests requires a kick in the back for any captain. I hate it when when the guy tries to see positives to save his job. He is the worst Test captain in India's history... period.

Posted by ArifIqbalMeo on (February 19, 2014, 7:17 GMT)

Miss KiranPI260 Dhoni Has not only played well but also proved himself as the best Captain of Indian Cricket Team. And you should be doubtless about that he had already helped India become World Champion twice. A Team keeps winning and losing series, this is how they go on But why you're losing your support and sensation for Dhoni. Let the other matches come, They may prove themselves the best cricketers once again. What we should do is to keep supporting them and be more patriotic and more supporting because every way doesn't end in failure.

Thank you :)

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 7:10 GMT)

Dhoni sounds more and more like a seasoned politician, always finds excuses and positives especially in his failure to lead strongly from the front. He definitely lacks leadership and communication skills and his body language speaks for itself. You can blame everything around you but as a captain the buck stops with you. Teams with very little financial support are doing better than India so BCCI stop showing off your wallet and find some talent. If you cant find it in over a billion people then there is something seriously wrong with the whole setup.

Posted by AndrewFromOz on (February 19, 2014, 7:07 GMT)

Of course! It isn't about the results! It is about the process! Brilliant! And by the way India, congratulations on a fabulous come-from-behind second place against a team ranked number whatever...

Posted by UAETigers on (February 19, 2014, 7:06 GMT)

@ramtheruler comparing I.Sharma to MJ is the wierdest and most funny comparision, it's like comparing Imran Khan or Kapil Dev with Sehwag or Yuvraj sighting they are also all roudners. MJ is a classic legend and a deadliest fast bowler of modern age. He bowls constant at 150+kmph and sends chin music to batsmen even on dry surfaces. I.Sharma does not even qualify to be a better fast bowler. After bowling for sooo many years he still pitches the bowl at same spot, just back of a short length. Either he is hit for 30 in over or go wicketless for 50 overs. He will not change his length no matter who wins the game!!

Posted by Ibanezfan on (February 19, 2014, 7:05 GMT)

It is time for serious review and change. Pujara has been a major letdown this series. The much hyped 'Dravid replacement' went 4 innings without even occupying the crease convincingly.That's unforgivable for the linchpin #3 position, especially when he knows he's the one all the batsmen count on to hold the innings together. Cannot recall a young RD ever surrendering so meekly. Yet another Indian batsman who's turned mediocre overseas. A big part of the problem is, we, the Indian fans, have been sold a mediocre team as a replacement for the greats. Hence, the massive expectations. Even the experts/commentators like tracer-bullet etc bought into the hype & are now red faced. It's time we tempered our expectations from this team. They'll struggle in all overseas tests. What Indian cricket needs is dedicated, passionate players who have an insatiable desire to win. This lot simply doesn't have that desire to win. NZ did. And they won.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 7:00 GMT)

improvement was surely there but this loss to NZ will hurt more than any thing. NZs ranking was way down. plus improvement is not enough. nobody will remember that. all will remeber that they have not won a single match. last time when they lost both series, i said it that they will play at home for long time and winning at home will calm selectors and fans. but again when they will travel for away tests, same issues will arise. i think selection has some issues. few are just in playing 11 and not performing.

dhoni has been most successful indian captain for few years. blesses with some amazing talented players, good odi player and ok test player, but i think he should leave test captaincy. too much burden on him . odi, t20, csk, tests. and he is main finisher after kohli. may be some indian fan can shed some light on it.

Posted by InsideHedge on (February 19, 2014, 7:00 GMT)

Vijay looked good in the nets according to MSD so he's OK. I've heard it all now. If looking good in the nets is the only criteria then I should be in the Test team!

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:54 GMT)

Dhoni can be blamed to a certain extent but not as a whole for that matter.Lets face it he is a captain who believes in 8 batsmen including allrounder jaddu and 3 bowlers combination only he fears being penalized for slow over rate be it odi or test he wont take more than 3 seamers but he should have taken quality seamers which he didnt Zak being able to bowl in 8 innings and not get injured in a surprise to me and selectors going back to him shows lack of trust they have in bench strength if we have any Ishwar Pandey who bowls in practice game takes wickets but Dhoni wont play him for god knows what reason same thing for ohja mishra though ashwin is a failure he is persisted with coz he can bat when u have 7 batsmen why does he need ashwin to bat no answer.If BCCI selectors and captain can get in quality bowlers India's fortunes can change in future else we shall continue to loose oversees

Posted by crick_wizard on (February 19, 2014, 6:47 GMT)

while one can argue that the inexperienced test team is "improving", there is no denying that the ODI team is deteriorating..after winning champions trophy the overseas ODI performance has been really poor..and this is not due to rebuilding and inexperience, since most of the ODI players are around for a long time now..what would dhoni attribute this to?

Posted by humi_cric on (February 19, 2014, 6:47 GMT)

@ ramtheruler, I salute you, comparing Ishant Sharma with MJ (currently, in red-hot form). In the first inning (excellent conditions for bowling), I.Sharma got 6 wickets, fine, but I just checked his bowling stats in the second inning (conditions reasonably good for batting), bowled 45 overs and 0 (ZERO) wicket. 45 overs without a wicket is too much for such a legendary fast bowler. But being a neutral fan I can only smile because you feel that this performance is comparable to MJ, and Indian cricket is in safe hands. Atleast, I am happy that you are from that school of thought who always see that glass is half full (not half empty).

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:41 GMT)

He's a good ODI captain. But he's definitely the worst Test captain. He is clueless when to use the fast bowler, when to pick up a new ball, how to select the team, Read the pitch and conditions, so on. It's better he quits test cricket for the betterment if the team.

Posted by Aniyadu on (February 19, 2014, 6:41 GMT)

Those who are saying we dont have good bowling attack and thats the reason we lost.. when we won T20 WC , 2011 WC and championship tropies, did we had the best bowling attack in the world???? it was same team who beat Australia and WI at home everyone said this is the team to beat blah blah. Any captain would have won matches in india coz of turning track. The more spinners you get in the more matches you WIN. Captain true courage shows when played overseas. Inexperience are the only players who have been warming benches from long time who are not part of CSK

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:34 GMT)

Yeah it sure is an improvement.. Two draws are worth it when compared with two complete series drubbings. lolz.

Posted by KiranP1260 on (February 19, 2014, 6:31 GMT)

Hello Mr Dhoni,

Can you please comment on one improvement on your side as a player/captain .. u r good at passing the buck around all the time either to the batsmen or bowlers .. r u a batsmen or a bowler or what .. just useless captain who cannot even take responsibility .. time to sack these guys dhoni / fletcher etc .. even for that matter ishant sharma .. he didnt catch the easiest of catches .. i think he would around for another 3 yrs .. man .. what a shame ..

Posted by Outswinger1978 on (February 19, 2014, 6:31 GMT)

If Purohit reports verbatim Dhoni's interview then consider these statistics. Dhoni spoke 781 words, 10 paragraphs, 3410 characters over 45 lines on an A4 size document. He required so many words to say - Batsmen and bowlers did not perform in clusters. There were individual bright patches; like Dhawan and Kholi's big scores and 50s by Rohit and Dhoni, Ishant's nine wickets, Zaheer's fiver and some super fielding by a couple of guys; NZ dominated and outplayed India in ODI and Tests. Dhoni's excessive use of redundant words to communicate few points indicates his discussions with bowlers, particularly less cerebral fellows like Ishant, must leave them clueless and confused. Dhoni's larger than cricket image, built by a naive section of media, one BCCI official and Tendulkar whose praises ensured the Ranchi Rodeo remained in the saddle so long. No Indian Test captain got such a long run. Remember, selectors dumped Srikkanth after he drew a 4-Test series against Pakistan in 1990?

Posted by crick_wizard on (February 19, 2014, 6:30 GMT)

"Actually, Vijay in the nets has been batting really well." - I think he faced Ishant and Co in the nets..LOL..

Posted by Aniyadu on (February 19, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

Yes. When India looses its not Dhonis fault. When India wins its all cause of captain coolness.Tired of these things! Dhoni is not a good captain in tests. Record shows it all. When Dhoni was handed over test captaincy we are already at NO.2 position. We won matches at Home and became NO.1 no big deal. As we have seen earlier in the past many captains were forced to resign to captain ship over a series loss overseas. Dhoni has to learn to appreciate the opposition team instead of blaming our own team. T20 WC and 2011 WC was won only coz of Yurajs heroics. But credit was taken by captain cool. Yes as experts say he has lots of pressure handling 3 formats. Give the test captaincy for some new guy preferbaly Kohli. How can dhoni judge himself that no one is ready for it. He should remember that someone had given him the captaincy with faith though he never had any any captaincy experience. All in all when INDIA wins its all coz of captain cool and when lost its all coz of players :-)

Posted by Rahul_78 on (February 19, 2014, 6:25 GMT)

Just look at the team selected by MS for Wellington test. He basically went in with 8 batsmen considering everyone knew that Jadeja will be totally ineffective on the green pitch and max can do a content job. So basically you ask your 3 seamers in ailing Zaheer, enigma Ishanth and inexperience Shami to take 20 wickets. No wonder Zaheer end up bowling 50 eye watering overs. MS should thank his lucky stars that none of his seamers broke down. Bowling is your weaker suit and you stack up your team with batsmen. This is a template of defensive captaincy. Wouldnt it have been prudent to go in with 4th seamer who could have provided the much needed 3-4 extra wickets and have reduced the burden on other seamers and ask Rohit and Virat to bowl 10-15 overs between them to provide respite to others? No wonder he has dismal overseas record. Also one needs to ask MS if overseas test victories really matter to him that much or is he happy with draws? His captaincy certainly indicates so.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:24 GMT)

dhoni is playing with his Personal team not with the Indian team if he is given chance he will select all CSK players ( including overseas players also)

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (February 19, 2014, 6:21 GMT)

India is the only test playing nation that has managed to lose in Australia, in England, in SA, In New Zealand and to top it all off, they also managed to lose at home against England. Dhoni's comments are mildly amusing. India has managed to lose against 7th ranked NZ and Dhoni is talking about improvements. If process does not justify te outcome then process is flawed! India's so called best spinner is finished. India's fast bowlers were tonked by NZ for 700 runs....Indian openers are inconsistent. Pujara has started to fade away after much hype. Kohli promised a lot but delivered nothing. His century was thanks to umpiring blunder...I am stuggling to see what improvements? Players like Gambhir, Yuvraj, Raina have been discarded and India's overall cricket is on decline. If ICC rankings were fair then India will not be in top 5.If ICC was not being run by BCCI then India will be stripped off its test status. Top test playing nations at current form are: Australia, SA, England and Pak

Posted by Hiba.R on (February 19, 2014, 6:20 GMT)

That's good to see Dhoni talk positive about some players but what about those who despite being talented were made to sit on the bench, and never tried, like Amit Mishra, Pandey, and few other youngsters....if the team has to lose or draw an already won match why not do that while testing the new blood. Ishant Sharma might have taken few wickets after years of fruitlessness, but can never be a good bowler, as he lacks the ability to identify, acknowledge and correct mistakes.

Dhoni needs to change his attitude before himself getting changed...he needs to add adventure to the matches that India plays rather than adding extreme defensiveness, that's making the whole team crawl back in to a shell and never coming out of it. If India wants to win matches than they need a fresh , a confident, a more experimenting, a more positive, fearless approach to the game with a lot of home work with different strategies to adapt well to ever changing match conditions.

Posted by DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on (February 19, 2014, 6:15 GMT)

There is no surprise why test cricket does not attract huge spectators, sponsors and also why people saying it as waste of time.

Eventhough opposition team has no chance of winning a test match, dominating team keeps on playing for records. Chasing 380 in 77 overs in 5th day test pitch is near impossible, but Brendon maccullum let jeesham to score 100, may be Brendon is trying to project that he was not playing for record. Target 380 in 75 could have made this match more intresting. Test cricket has 'no pressure', teams are looking for draw first. There is no wonder why test championship attract no sponsorships. Captains like dhoni, macculum makes test cricket more boring.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:14 GMT)

Yeah the bowling improvement has been shown in the last two days of kevis last test by just giving above 500 runs off 1 wicket . Lolzzz Dhoni

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:11 GMT)

These kind of statements could be accepted by B.Desh or Zim team.... but the team who claims to be on ....top ranking.... can't justify bad performence by those words. Specially when you r playing with no. 8 team. Dhoni had to think again for these words... Lame Excuses by Indians.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 6:10 GMT)

No need to speculate..wait till the same time next year..we are going to england and australia again..we will see the improvement if at all it happens..let us hope it is not another 8-0

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:58 GMT)

Mr.MSD need not go as a captain.Only 2 reasons were implied for two series defeats:1)Poor slip fielding,regulation catches dropped in both SA and NZ by batsmen like Vijay,Virat,Rohit.Fielding coaches should be paid heavily only when they show results.Asian teams are always worst at fielding,but even kids dropping such easy ones must make MSD to think.

2)Please MSD,pick 4 fast bowlers in non Indian sub continental test matches,play Jadeja as the batsman,drop Vijay and make Jadeja to open the batting.Indian fast bowler always had their moments.Literally we have 3 now,but I would say 2,sorry Zak pa.If we had Umesh or Bhuvi along with the 3 seamers we could have bolwed Sa and Nz well under 200 runs.From 30 for 5 we let the opp. to 500 all out.This is because our bowlers become tired very easily.If there is a 4th one,we can hunt as a pack and dish out the final knockout punch to opp.

Posted by ramtheruler on (February 19, 2014, 5:57 GMT)

Captain grace has said it right, team is heading towards right direction, playing on foreign pictches and different envioremnet is always hard, we all know whta would have happened had SA or NZ played in India, they wouldn't have lasted 3 days in test matches. As for improvement, i think we all saw how Ishant bowled in the first innings of second test match, such destructive spells can only be matched by MJ in world cricket.Its safe to say that Indian cricket is in good hands.

Posted by YesKayR on (February 19, 2014, 5:52 GMT)

Dhoni says"more important is the process and not results" when will the process end and results start showing? I feel process is domestic matches and not international matches. he appreciates the fact that the batsmen has played one good innings in the last 4 tests.. everyone knows that it is too far from being gud enough at int'l level. he says it is tough to play kookaburra new balls.. imagine the south African openers feasted on our new ball attack.. Other than india, no team would let an opposition score nearly 700 runs from 94/5. I have been a strong supporter of Dhoni.. but nowI do feel that he should step down from captaincy. It indeed is a fact that most of the opinions- whether from a seasoned int'l cricketer or a commoner - depends only on recent results. for eg: Ntini says steyn requires more support from other end after they lost to Aussies. This is the same attack which thrashed india in ODI & tests. People talk abt weaknesses when u lose. But still,it is time up for Dhoni

Posted by Solid_Snake on (February 19, 2014, 5:52 GMT)

Yes..We can also see the improvement ...Team India is about to make a world record..Most successive defeats in a row..Unable to win any test match for so long..All records are about to be broken by India..Great improvement Haha

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:50 GMT)

Do't you worry Dhoni. Just win us the coming Asia cup and the World cup. All will be forgotten and u can keep your captaincy.

What worries most of us is your judgement of selecting players , undue protection given to them for long periods.

But Indian board, press and ex-players are always very gracious in accepting your defeats and any of your short comings. If debacles were faced by by any other team of any other country, there will be huge backlash from every quarter. You are blessed to be in Indian team.

And for Godsake keep your comments in postmatch ceremony to the minimum, answering only to the point. Its just embarrassing for us to watch your interview after the matches, most of which you would have lost. Have some shame atleast..just watch captains of NZ, SA or Aus how they speak even when would have won the match.

Posted by Maui3 on (February 19, 2014, 5:47 GMT)

The improvement he is talking about is that India was 2 balls away from winning these 4 test by 2-1, while in that 8-0 loss in Aus and England, they were hardly even close in any of those matches. The total experience of the top 6 combined is less than any of the top six India had 3 years ago. Yes, there is a lot of Improvement. The question is, can they keep the performance in 4 test series, away from home, especially in Aus against The Mitch, so will they be bruised permanently.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:40 GMT)

While our opponents have been pouching victories against us, the Indian Team has been collecting "POSITIVES". What good are the positives if you are getting thrashed regularly that too by a Team ranked No. 8 ? Positively disgraceful! These same guys will start roaring once the IPL starts.

Posted by Fan1969 on (February 19, 2014, 5:38 GMT)

Wow so everyone guns for Dhoni. Some cold facts.

1. The loss of 0-8 in England and Australia was led by two things. First, failure of SRT, Sehwag, Gambhir, Laxman and lastly Dravid only in Australia. Second, abject failure of Ishant in England coupled with Zaheer having an injury. In Australia we thought we had a new fast bowler in Umesh but coupled with Zaheer and Ishant we came up with nothing. Ashwin was completely ineffective.

2. Loss of 0-2 in SA and NZ. Batting improved dramatically with quite a few above 300 scores. All the batsmen are new. Bowling was much improved with India putting SA on the backfoot in 1st test, NZ in both tests in atleast one innings with getting them at 200. The issue is we have just 3 seamers and no All Rounder and they get tired or some batsmen play them well. Jadeja was good in two tests but not in the last NZ test.

All talks of Dhoni favouring friends is rubbish. Raina is out, Ashwin dropped for overseas tests. Have patience, new talent is good

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:35 GMT)

what improvement dhone has seen now while playing against 8th ranked team in the world. What we make out is our bowlers and fielders give chance to opponents to score double and triple hundreds, who they could not even open their account against other teams. Is this the performance. Dhoni need to step down from the test capataincy. He will not do that. Only selectors should wake up and take immediate action.

Posted by sray23 on (February 19, 2014, 5:32 GMT)

So sad that after 80+ years playing test cricket, Indians still don't know how to bowl. What can Dhoni do? He is captain so he has to say something positive - he can't tell people the whole truth that his bowlers are about as useful as air conditioner to an eskimo. Even if Virat was captain, nothing would change. Without strong bowlers, no captain can do anything.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:30 GMT)

since msd is keen on playing the "if, but, would" game here is my attempt.....

india would have been whitewashed in both SA & NZ

1. but for rahane's brilliant piece of fielding to run out an in-form sa batsman. 2. if THAT decision was given in favour of nz in the tied odi.

and who knows what would have transpired if kohli was given out yesterday....

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:30 GMT)

yep fair improvement Mr. Dhoni. From overseas 0-8, it is 0-10. You used to call Ishant unlucky. No, Ishant is not unlucky, unlucky are we Indian fans, when Ishant had his off-test and got those 9 wickets in Auckland. That meant, Umesh had to sit outside. We all agree that new guys needed to be given sufficient time. Dhawan had played less than 10 tests, deserve his chances, Murali, played well in SA, deserved his chances, Sharma, though called Nohit , I still would say, in longer format deserve his run for 8-10 tests. But a proven non-performer like Ishant, it is not his fault that you keep dragging him to every XI, it is your fault Mr. Dhoni. And Ishant, will you learn to keep your mouth shut? When you said Leader of the attack or something, Faulker thing happened to you, and after first NZ inning in 2nd test, 'I am dropped from important series. I wam bowling well blah blah blah' you know what happened?

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:25 GMT)

sadly whenever dhoni leads the indian team outside the subcontinent, there are only positives to be drawn from defeats...but no wins whatsoever....people are tired of positives...wins are what are required...and dhoni cannot provide them...if this is how the team has performed against NZ, imagine what johnson and co will do to them in australia...srini will do something to make sure india play only two tests in australia

Posted by Night.angel on (February 19, 2014, 5:24 GMT)

Improvement in squandering one more chance. Wait, Asia cup is coming, now smile everybody!!!

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:15 GMT)

"Positives in the Team's performance" - losing to a 8th place team compared to losing to a 1st placed team like S.A.? Give your head a SHAKE Dhoni! By the time these players learn & about to win overseas matches they will be old & retired just like the previous teams. And HOPE / Improvement will continue....with a new set.. just my 2 cents.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:14 GMT)

what improvements??? . yeah it was only 4 tests(sa/NZ) so 1-0 sounds better than 3-0 or 4-0 LOL

umm u havent won a single game in both recent tours. there were 2 tests u should have won 1 against SA and the last one against NZ but somehow managed to stuff it up

so if thats your improvement good luck

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:11 GMT)

you play with australia and loose 0-4 and then play with england and loose 0-4 , and in south africa you play you loose 0-2 and then with newzealand you play you loose 0-1 and you say it is an improvement. Next time you play with Bangladesh and if the match is drawn than you say team India is improving. Mr dhoni atleast try to play how Under 19 team is playing. I think at this time Indian team have to learn from under 19 indian team. In test matches Either you play well and you win or you don't play well and you loose. Dhoni is making test matches too complicated. Actually captain don't know how to play well and how to plan well and he is making this game look too complicated. i do agree with other fans that kohli should be captain and dinesh karthik should be wicket keeper batsman and dhoni should be rested. so that dhoni would see how to win matches when kohli is captaining a side. Dhoni is making cricket look very complicated by his nonsense comments on how to approach the game.

Posted by JustIPL on (February 19, 2014, 5:09 GMT)

To start winning india have to find ways to come accross lesser teams. Probably, that momentum can be carried and india should try this without Dhoni/Kohli. Hopefully, after that they will start winning outside india otherwise anywhere else in subcontinent they will find themselves at odds.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:07 GMT)

Plz don't compare previous 8-0 losses 2 these 4 matches in NZ& SA.dat was a team wid senior players who were in last phase of der career & dis z a new team consists of youngsters.it vil take some time.de r in d transition period.So don't panic, jus keep d patience.v indians r always startin 2 panic wen it comes 2 patience.Aus took almost 6 yrs , our team also needs some time.it's jus 4 tests.Atleast give dem one season

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (February 19, 2014, 5:06 GMT)

Well, he's probably right in so far as comparison with the double w/w in Eng and Aus . Def a positive statistically and can be an 'improvement' of sorts. But still they have been winless despite the better scoreline in recent 2 losses and bright side is that at least they have been competitive at times and had their chances as well. But with this bowling lineup it was always going to be tough to capitalise on it as the opp. knew if they were watchful and saw out the tough period when the bowlers had a bit of help and bowling well, they can still get on top and put good scores if they got 1 useful p'ship and kept their bowlers at bay.Then they and the rest of the batting can cash in.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:04 GMT)

We need to focus on pure pace abroad. Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Shami. Two spinners Jadeja and Ojha. Five batsmen in Dhawan, Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane and Dhoni/Kartik as wicket keeper.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 5:04 GMT)

Dhoni, you have to go from the Indian test team before you get sullied more ,man! Your captaincy is highly questionable,your wicket keeping is below test quality and the way you handle the bowlers is biased and not conducive to their best performance. For Indian team's sake please quit!

Posted by yadavharish on (February 19, 2014, 4:59 GMT)

it is really disappointing that despite playing exceptionally well for initial 3 days and reaching in a winning situation india let it slip the match .india need to capatalise on this

Posted by Iceman29 on (February 19, 2014, 4:56 GMT)

What kind of improvement is he talking...ya we improved from 0-8 to 0-10 that is the only improvement we see Mr. Dhoni...stop humiliating out country...we have lost all the respect for you...The truth is you are very insecured about you captaincy that is the reason why you stick to the same players whom you like...Pls step down from atleast the test captaincy and save our country from further humiliation....Selector should the guts to drop him...look at Eng cricket board and learn...one series whitewash and they have done some unbelievable changes...

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:54 GMT)

Definitely.. 'Plenty of improvement'. 1. Make sure the players repeatedly given chances perform on a regular basis. 2. Taking the catches that come your way. 3. The boys who 'used' to perform well, may well not be doing so. Admit it. 4. And not the last but most importantly - Be honest about your team's performance. Stop living in a parallel dimension of fantasy and start looking at reality and real facts. How hard is it to admit - "Yes, playing at this level.. Our catching has not been upto the mark and has cost us the last couple of test series". But no.. Instead you decide to send the poor Cheteswar Pujara to state - Indian fielding is 'fantastic' overall.

Posted by Yousufahmed11 on (February 19, 2014, 4:53 GMT)

Well, always being positive is good. But it won't make any good for our team. How can we say we are getting better. We started with loosing to top teams like Aus, Eng and Saffas. But no we finished with loosing to No. 8 team NZ. Ok lets wait until we win against No. 9, 10,...teams Zim and Ban which is even not sure at the current form.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:53 GMT)

Just Cardboard Hero's.. Thats it..Now change the ICC rules to win somehow..

Posted by pull_shot on (February 19, 2014, 4:50 GMT)

well if ur thinking is like this we r never going to win a series outside sub continent

Posted by Albert_cambell on (February 19, 2014, 4:50 GMT)

If they drop Dhoni, then thats the end of Indian cricket. India doesnt have any talented wicket keeper batsman in their country. Atleast Dhoni can perform well on flat wickets.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:50 GMT)

I agree to most of the concerns with Dhoni as the captain..but the issue is that we dont have a substitute captain..Virat cannot be the captain of the team yet..he still needs to learn to keep his focus on for an entire day on the field..I am personally not a fan of Kohli as a captain..he is too panicky and doesnt have a 'streetsmart' brain..i would rather have Rohit Sharma as a captain..he has the right brains for it but..Alas! he needs to bat first to be in the team and then become the captain of the team..

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:48 GMT)

Dhoni will take all the credit if team india wins and in loose he will tell ours is a younger side still improving which is not that great in some cases he should appreciate the opposition team as well which he will never do which is a bad sportsmanship. Dhoni is a good captain no doubt because now india is ranked 2nd in tests and number 1 in odis for a considerable period of time which so far no indian captains were able to achieve . India do not have fast bowlers who can find bounce and pace consistently we should also understand the reason BCCI will never make pitches seaming with bounce and good grass cover then how can we blame our bowlers fast bowling is a culture which cannot be developed in a day only if they are used to play in such conditions they can develop all i can say is that dhoni may not be a good human being but he is a good captain no doub he is very rigid i will blame bcci for this defeat for preparing poor pitches in india and dhoni s rigid approach & favouritism

Posted by Kashi0127 on (February 19, 2014, 4:48 GMT)

I say India should not play any games insde subcontinent for at leat a year from now to assess Dhoni and team. What otherwise will happen is India will play either Bangla Desh or Zimbabwe at home and (hopefully) win and Dhoni is reinstated as captain for next 5 years and people like Raina and Jadeja will make merry for few more years

Posted by Vitruvius on (February 19, 2014, 4:43 GMT)

This guy has gone from bad to worse, making the most irrational of statements. What lame excuse is that?? And to say that i believe in process and not in the result only says about his character. No wonder Indians dont have that killer instinct! Play sports to win! There is no other reason why you should play sports. Yes, it is fine if you lose after putting up a fight. And to put all blame on batsmen and not the bowlers says only one thing, he will continue with these bowlers for eternity. The only solution to this problem is sacking this guy. He will never learn!

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:43 GMT)

DHONI : If you compare those two series [0-8] with the last few we have played, there is plenty of improvement.

ME : Losing the series is an improvement.??? out of 4 tests, you lost 2 and drawn 2(1 was almost lost to SA). Better play with westindies,Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.. then we might win a test outside of subcontinent.

Posted by chin-music on (February 19, 2014, 4:43 GMT)

I am one of those who would generally be pro-Dhoni as a player who should be given a long rope - he seems to be a very un-Indian cricketer in that he is actually an athlete & has the indivdual mental toughness to match anyone in the world ! But , as a captain, for this one interview alone - I think he should be immediately sacked. The complete intellectual dishonesty & politician -like attempt to obfuscate about "process improvements"(God knows which ?) leading "eventual success" (God knows when?) -- is the complete opposite of his own no-nonsense practical approach on the field. Maybe he shoud pick up a tip or two from Arvind Kejriwal & have the honesty to say "the results are a reality check. With our non-existent bowling strength & very average batting on overseas wickets - reality is we arearound #6 or #7 in the world.Cheating the ranking system by playing exclusively at home to reach #2 etc does not actually make us a #2 side. But we will still try our best going forward"

Posted by sreehk on (February 19, 2014, 4:36 GMT)

BATTING FAILURE???!!! Whoaa..there have been 3 centurions in two tests, they have scored 400+ and done well in 2nd innings of both tests too. So what's wrong with batting???? It is nothing but to confuse the media and divert the attention. Dhoni continues to fool around with his political statements neatly avoiding the blame on him. How long will he keep the see saw blaming? After SA series he blamed bowling. Now he blames his batting. Why is he blaming the batting?x It is he who should have backed his bowlers and give attacking fields to take wickets. Instead he purposefully displayed the helplessness of the situation by doing the drama of bowling himself and Kholi. Such a shame that he does not acknowledge. Dhoni is ABJECT FAILURE overseas. But still he will continue to captain. That is Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:35 GMT)

Yup it is definitely an improvement from being whitewashed we managed to lose just one. May be in the next 2 years will level the series and by the time we think we are going to win an abroad series senior players retire and the rebuilding and start the cycle all over again.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:34 GMT)

Cpt Meanst..no whitewash but a clear whitewash in not winning a single game so far in 2014!

Posted by Alexk400 on (February 19, 2014, 4:31 GMT)

Time to dump dhoni. We all know he is good in india. He can be vice captain if he wants , we need kohli as captain. Let kohli learn good stuff from dhoni and ignore dhoni bad tactics.

Posted by Albert_cambell on (February 19, 2014, 4:28 GMT)

They just managed to extend from 8-0 to 10-0. Thats the only improvement I saw from them. Still more to come as their next overseas tours will be in Eng and Aus.

Posted by Collegefastbowler on (February 19, 2014, 4:21 GMT)

You need to call a spade a spade and sugar coating with diplomatic language is only for public consumption. The selection, strategy and tactics left a lot to be desired. We could not convert from strong winning positions and the absence of penetrating fast bowling is a key factor. Varun Aaron, Pandey and Umesh Yadav etc. should have been tried out instead of persisting with the same three tired bowlers. Something is wrong in the selection process and the tactics employed were overly defensive particularly the field placings and in the selection of experience over penetration.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 4:08 GMT)

We almost lost the Jo'burg test- had it not been for a brilliant run out by Rahane, it was a goner. The 2nd Test in NZ, we should have won from the position we were in. Its another thing BigMac batted brilliantly, still should have atleast gone for the kill. The only positive I saw was Rahanes batting and Kohli. Ishant probably had an off day when he took those 6 wickets. Dhoni's captaincy as always, was unimaginative and strange! He does not pick the best XI for starters. Jaddu in tests as a frontline spinner? Doesnt make sense. Then there was the curious case of Stuart Binny in the ODIs- who was picked as an all rounder and did not bat and did not bowl. Dhoni is being too stubborn with his words and acts. Preserve him for ODIs- because we need him in that format. Get a new captain for tests and T20s.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (February 19, 2014, 4:07 GMT)

Well, we haven't been whitewashed in SA and NZ so that's a positive I guess. I guess Dhoni will clutch on to any straws at this point in time. He knows he doesn't warrant a place in the test side unless he's captain so he's saying all the right things in front of the media. Personally, I think he's a superb player BUT fails big time as a captain in test cricket. If you see some of the other captains in world cricket like Michael Clarke and Brendon McCullum, all of them are aggressive and thoughtful captains. Plus, they all are blessed with good bowling line ups. India unfortunately doesn't have many good bowlers. The only way we can win overseas in tests is to have a potent bowling attack. As it stands now, we would do well to remain in the top 5.

Posted by ru4real on (February 19, 2014, 4:07 GMT)

there might be progress in the batting and bowling but it was the catching that cost victories in both tests...dropping Williamson early in the first test and dropping McCullum in the second....basic easy catches at that.....then of course there were those no balls against Williamson in the second test. These are just basic cricket skills you learn very early in life....these are test matches being played... cricket followers deserve better from their highly paid heroes.

Posted by glen1 on (February 19, 2014, 3:53 GMT)

This whole post-mortem assessment is nonsense. These guys have no fight in them and have wasted the goodwill of a billion fans. Yes, Zaheer will make a good bowling coach and can travel with the team to England and Australia. Selectors should drop Dhoni and put Kohli in charge; doesn't matter lose or win, at least there will be a fight. There will be team selection based on merit, not just on compatibility. One wicket for 600 runs is some progress; every cricket playing country is feasting on India's bounty and spineless play.

Comments have now been closed for this article

TopTop
Email Feedback Print
Share
E-mail
Feedback
Print
Abhishek PurohitClose
Related Links
Tour Results
New Zealand v India at Wellington - Feb 14-18, 2014
Match drawn
New Zealand v India at Auckland - Feb 6-9, 2014
New Zealand won by 40 runs
NZ XI v Indians at Whangarei - Feb 2-3, 2014
Match drawn
New Zealand v India at Wellington - Jan 31, 2014
New Zealand won by 87 runs
New Zealand v India at Hamilton - Jan 28, 2014
New Zealand won by 7 wickets (with 11 balls remaining)
More results »
News | Features Last 3 days
News | Features Last 3 days