West Indies in New Zealand 2013-14

West Indies retain Test squad despite drubbing

ESPNcricinfo staff

November 18, 2013

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Darren Sammy was out for a two-ball duck, India v West Indies, 2nd Test, Mumbai, 1st day, November 14, 2013
Darren Sammy will lead West Indies in the New Zealand Tests © BCCI

Despite a mauling in the recent Tests in India, West Indies have made no changes to their squad for the Tests in New Zealand next month. Darren Sammy, who scored 25 runs over four innings and bowled 21 wicketless overs in the series, continues to captain the side.

The hastily arranged series against India featured two innings-defeats, with neither Test stretching past the third day. Only two West Indian batsmen managed to aggregate more than 100 runs in the series, and the only bowler who had success was offspinner Shane Shillingford with 11 wickets. None of his team-mates managed to take more than two wickets.

The first of three Tests against New Zealand starts on December 3 in Dunedin. Currently at No. 6 on the Test rankings, West Indies will slip one rung lower should they lose 2-0 or worse.

Squad: Darren Sammy (capt), Denesh Ramdin (wk & vice-capt), Tino Best, Darren Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Sheldon Cottrell, Narsingh Deonarine, Kirk Edwards, Shannon Gabriel, Chris Gayle, Veersammy Permaul, Kieron Powell, Marlon Samuels, Shane Shillingford, Chadwick Walton (wk)

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Posted by   on (November 22, 2013, 4:34 GMT)

A steady opener needed for WI to get back on top. Braithwaithe was steady in all the opportunities he got & he is young too. If given a long run, he can be a steady opener that WI is looking for in test cricket.

Posted by Hmk12 on (November 20, 2013, 12:33 GMT)

my favourite WI team in test- gayle,barath,sarwan,dj bravo,samules,chandarpal,ramdin(wk),dm bravo(c),rampal,shillingford,roach,narine,kirk edwards,powell,taylor.in odi-gayle,charles(wk),dj bravo,samules,sarwan,dm bravo(c),pollard,narine,rampal,roach,taylor,lewis,russel,bishoo,simonns.in t20- gayle,charles(wk),dm smith,samules,bravo(c),pollard,russel,narine,badree,rampal,shontokie,smmons,poonam,roach,dj bravo

Posted by roddybee on (November 20, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

well as long as Sammy remains an automatic pick and captain, west indies will get the thrashing they deserve. A captain who cant bat and is too scared to bowl, what a shambles

Posted by jermainewi on (November 20, 2013, 5:20 GMT)

The best team I think to play a really good test . 1 c gayle 2 k powell 3 dm bravo 4 m samuels 5 c chanderpaul 6 ka edwards 7 j charles ( w ) 8 dj bravo ( cap ) 9 r rampaul 10 s narine 11 s shillingford / k . Samtokie. Best team that could take wi back to the top.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 13:43 GMT)

In some ways i wouldn't of expected a big kneejerk reaction to the horror-show in India. The only guy to come out with any credability in the Series is Shillingford. With the NZ series only a few weeks away, they couldn't make any drastic changes, but alot of questions will have to be addressed after the NZ series. Regardless of whether they beat NZ or not, i'm hoping to see some new personnel for the scheduled home series in 2014. The batting lacked any application, discipline or consistancy. Bravo/Samuels in the 1st test and Chanders/Ramdin in the 2nd, were the only decent partnerships on the tour. The most disturbing thing was the lack of technique dealing with skiddy reverse-swing or awkward bounce from the spinners. NZ will present more seamer-friendly conditions on slow pitches, where the ball doesn't quite come on to the bat. I just hope the Windies can gain some much needed confidence with the bat.

Posted by CricketChat on (November 19, 2013, 13:08 GMT)

Wouldn't be surprised if this same team does well against weak NZ. That might temporarily mask the real problems for WI in tests; 1) a well respected captain who earns his place 2) replacements for Gayle and Chanderpaul 3) Batting wkt keeper 4) 2-3 young pace bowlers. Another drubbing or two may not be a bad thing. Hopefully, it will wake up the WI board to set things in the right direction.

Posted by everfaithful77 on (November 19, 2013, 13:03 GMT)

I think it is clear that the performance of WI SELECTORS are as much part of the PROBLEMS facing West Indies cricket as anything else highlighted if not moreso. The facts as stated in above release is that only two West Indian batsmen scored more than 100 runs in 4 inns and only one bowler was successful taking 11 wickets whilst the next highest wicket-taker got only 2, wasn't enough to convince the selectors that some CHANGES were needed to the squad for New Zealand. The selectors couldn't find a place for NARINE (who mesmerized the kiwis during the previous series in the Caribbean), Kraigg BRATHWAITE (who was the most prolific batsman in the recent A-TEAM tour of India avg over 80 in 3 matches), CUMMINS & JOHNSON who are currently the most promising fast bowlers in the West Indies. BEST, GABRIEL and SAMMY should've been dropped due their poor performance. The WI SELECTORS must take a page from selectors for the TOP 4 TEST TEAMS who are RUTHLESS in selecting the most IN-FORM players.

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (November 19, 2013, 12:15 GMT)

Those calling for Sarwan and Rampaul need to remember their history - neither player maintains a level of fitness required to play at the international level. This basic lack of discipline will never go down well with selectors, despite their talent.

Posted by Amit_Upmanyu on (November 19, 2013, 7:39 GMT)

In spite of being a diehard West Indies fan (because of their golden past) I was happy with the horrible defeat of WI in India. It raised a hope that it will act as wakeup call and lead to some fundamental changes in WI team. But they simply DO NOT want to learn. Looking at the current talent crunch in Caribbean you can't select two different teams for Test and ODIs. At the most you can afford to replace 2-3 players. There is a need to stick to a pool of best 15 Players and select both teams from this pool. They should remove all club level cricketers like Sammy, Ramdin, Best, Permaul etc. They should also learn to be patient and stick to these players for some time; you are wasting such a good player like Sarwan. You need a strong captain who can lead from the front and also have a good rapport with the players, Dwayne Bravo is the one.

My Test Team: Gayle, Powell, Sarwan, D Bravo, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Charles (wk), Dwayne Bravo (capt), Rampaul, Shillingford and Roach.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 7:02 GMT)

As much as I supported Darren Sammy, his bowling is just not good enough at this level. And he hasn't improved as a batsman. At best, he can be fit in as a fifth bowler but for that he will need a big leap in his batting average, which seems unlikely. T20 snobbery, the board's wretchedness and the arrogance of some of their contemporary cricketers has marauded West Indian cricket. WI cricket had been in a serious decline since 2000, but now, looking back, that team seems to be a team of world beaters in comparison to this.

But dropping Sammy alone won't solve the problems. Their obsession with Danesh Ramdin is mind boggling. It's time to move on and groom a superior keeper-batsman. Samuels' place too needs to be in check. Most importantly, Windies need to stick to their instincts: groom fast bowlers please.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 5:14 GMT)

LACK of confidence and patience is the Main problem of W.I team .They enjoys the game but do not want victories.Lots of talents are wasted by windies cricket authorities......... w.i should bring in lendl simmons,justin charles, ramnaresh sarwan ( had lots of talent ,but wasted his talents due to several factors) and sunil narine (only world class ODI & T 20 bowler of WI team now) into test team. justin charles may perform above darren bravo if he had given more opportunities.

Good thinking fast bowlers should be brought in and tried .There is no variety in fast bowling.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 4:59 GMT)

Lack of confidence and lack of patience is the main problem for west indies team .They just enjoys the game ,not aim for victories ....WI should bring in Lendl simmons ,justin charles and sarwan into test team . On the bowling side narine should be given more chances ,because he is a world class ODI & T20 bowler.Darren sammy is a good allrounder with positive attitude with accurate bowling most of the times ,eventhough his wicket taking ability is less.Fast bowling department is very weak for west indies ,thinking bowlers are not available....ravi rampaul is an exception. dinesh ramdin, tino best , deonarine are just ordinary players. captaincy should be given to any player with confidence and positive attitude....

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 4:40 GMT)

This West Indian team reminded me of school boy cricket wherein determination & resolve are in short supply. Pride of playing for one's country was totally missing & Rohit Sharma & Mohd Shami could not have got an easier opportunity to make their Test debuts. Credit to them that they made the most of it.

Posted by svg27rivers on (November 19, 2013, 4:20 GMT)

How could Sammy really say that he love WI cricket and not withdraw himself from the team is beyond me.What is his use in the team really?

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 3:39 GMT)

No use blaming sammy when the entire team failed.....Even a world class batsman like Chanderpaul failed...The Indian conditions can be harsh and especially the Indian team has peaked..But WI batsmen need to pick up the blame for this poor show...We expected WI to lose or draw but not get steamrolled in 3 days....

Sammy needs to lead from the front.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 3:37 GMT)

It should be unbelievable that the WI selectors would continue with an underperforming captain and team but yet it is believable because they do this ona regular. Sammy is a great captain brings a lot of heart and energy in all formats, and i agree with Jerome White setting fields, but in test matches that isn't going to win the matches if you aren't performing with bat and ball, he is just taking up a number on the team. Dwayne bravo should be given another chance into the test squad. another player like Narsingh Deonarine again i can't remember the last time i have seen a worthy score from him yet he is picked. His biggest mark in test cricket would be his recent wicket of Tendulkar, Should be dropped for Kirk Edwards. You see That the Spinner was the main wicket getter yet you only play ONE and have the poor guy slaving bowling overs. Tino best should also be dropped it is a pitty Kemar is injured

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 3:01 GMT)

Sammy is a good T20 player and ODI player. Not a TEST player. Where is Sarwan??????????????????

Posted by Sachit1979 on (November 19, 2013, 2:31 GMT)

Success saga of any team could only start with right selection of squad and that's where WICB selection committee starts faltering always. Team that could not even stand for 6 complete days in recent 2 match series against India got another chance. Shillingford have been reported for suspected action, still he is there. For no reason Narine is not there. Suleiman Benn should always be first choice left arm bowler but constantly ignored. Fast bowling department also looks depleted with injured Roach and absence of Rampaul. Batting looks OK on cards but they need to scale up. They can't just be there for their T20 forms. Specially batting fiasco against India should have resulted in couple of changes. Last but not least, Sammy, his presence in test side has been big topic of debate for many a months now. He is no doubt an obvious choice in limited formats but his retention in test team that also as captain again surprises.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 2:26 GMT)

where is rampaul and kemar roach

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (November 19, 2013, 1:17 GMT)

Time for a cull and they stand pat...the only reason I can think of is the lack of preparation time for a new captain. But, a new captain is needed. An away tour is often the best place to blood younger players - especially seamers on the green tops of NZ so hopefully Gabriel and Cottrell will get to play all series. I would have preferred to have seen one of the senior players take charge for the short term, with DB Bravo installed as vice captain. Ramdin needs to be removed from the squad too - and replaced by Lendl Simmons. Without Roach, we are always going to struggle as he is the only genuine world class bowler we have. One factor that many overlook is the endless shorter format cricket tournaments and series that dominate the cricket calendar. If you want a decent test side, don't select the same players that throw the bat at every ball for 3/4 of the year, pick an entirely different squad and prepare them for the longer format - the only REAL form of cricket is TEST cricket.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 0:55 GMT)

This decision to keep the same team and retain Darren Sammy as Captain is playing upon the intelligence of the cricketing public in the West Indies. The definition of Madness =is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Sammy should be on that team....period. Test cricket is way out of his league, we made Sammy captain to spin the toss? Sunil Narine must play in all format of the game. The Manager, Selectors, Coach, and Sammy should resign immediately. Mr Cameron we need your help.

Posted by mrhamilton on (November 19, 2013, 0:55 GMT)

They were always going to lose in India and sure they were missing 3 key players in roach,rampaul and narine but for the first time I am severely questioning Sammy.his attitude was poor and complacent.the idea to put random in at 6 a cowardly cop out.I have previously been very pro Sammy but since Gayle came back he has become a mere cheerleader.my team. Gayle,Powell,Sarwan,d bravo,chanderpaul,Samuels,ramdin,Sammy,roach,rampaul,narine.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2013, 0:22 GMT)

Dear Sammy, On behalf of the millions of WI cricket fans around the world please do the most honourable thing and resign as WI captain. You have received countless criticisms over the last few months and more so after the humiliating defeats to India. I know you were elected in this role, however, please, time to go. You are way over your head as a WI captain. Thanks, Best Regards, Millions of cricket fans around the world.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 23:41 GMT)

Stop saying bring Bravo to captain the Test side, he can do no better than Sammy and has his recent performances merit a play??? No. Why pick a pacer because he bowled 4overs for 20 odd runs in a T20 tournament a Test run??? With Roach returning home Rampaul should have been there because if the need of experience or Cummins because of his recent performances. Either Powell or Edwards should be given a decent run with the Captaincy.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 23:35 GMT)

Every bone knows it's back to the proverbial drawing board. That is except the selectors. Just more of the same. It time we have major changes we cannot do the same things and expect improvements

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 22:56 GMT)

I Keep saying Darren Sammy is our modern day Darren Ganga. Only good for setting fields and making bowling changes nothing else. He plays better in ODI's but still has under performed throughout his career. Y not play Johnson Charles as Wicket Keeper or some one else. Ramdin is like Mervin Dillon when he cant take the shame no more he will quit. These two seriously imbalances the team greatly but no suprise though if they make him captain if the position removed from Sammy. The top 5 should realize that others are knocking and that they should do better to remain on the starting eleven. Narine should play tests for more experience instead of only being a T20 and ODI secret weapon. Darren Bravo should be dropped and kirk edwards in for Next Test and Shillinford should get a run in the ODI series in India and Should remain in all formats of cricket to support Narine. These 2 have commanded their spots on the team playing against top oppositions and aren't treated fairly at all.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 22:52 GMT)

Sunil Narine should be in the squad for tests. Now that Shillingford is being tested on is action, Narine should be able to slide in. Veeraswamy Perumal sucks. He can't even bowl in spin condition. Narine in, Perumal out. Sammy is good as a captain, but not great as a test player. Edwards should be tried at that position. Sammy is way overworked. Gayle needs to find ryhtem soon or he'll be out. WI need to look at their options here. Deornine is not a great batsmen so why him? Even Rampaul could bowl here. Ramdin shuldn't be VC because he is also not fit for tests. Where are all those other spinners WI have? Bishoo and Martin? Barly nobody know them because they havn't played in years! Come on guys!

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 20:44 GMT)

roach and rampaul is the 2 best fast bowlers in the caribbean, tino best, have no brain, he jus bowlin hard without sense.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 20:33 GMT)

i think the ideal test squad would be : 1. K Powell 2. Gayle 3. Bravo 4. Samuels 5. Chandrapaul 6. Ramdin/walton 7 .Edwards 8.Roach 9.Shillingford 10 . Coterell 11. Best

Posted by wirus on (November 18, 2013, 20:32 GMT)

Words fail. It is so obvious that this team is smashed mentally yet the bundle them off to NZ to be broken some more. Gibson has no idea what to do next. Virtually everybody on planet earth knows that Sammy should not be playing test cricket - everyone that is except Sammy who is a great trier but just does not have test match ability. Gayle and Bravo are scrambled mentally and have very little confidence and it shows. Reality has caught up with Best. Ramdin should not bat higher than 9 if he must be in a test team. By dropping Permaul and Cotterel their confidence will also have taken a big blow and to top it off Shillingford may be banned from bowling. If you send a sick man of 150 pounds into a ring to fight a fit man pf 250 pounds, guess what happens. Unless NZ totally implode and fall apart (unlikely) this series is finished already. It has reached the point where teams now look forward to WI coming to their country as it gives them such a boost. It is heartbreaking.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (November 18, 2013, 19:55 GMT)

I'm not sure why there are so many comments saying Narine should play. Having failed to shine in Bang & at home to Zim he will not be successful in a place like New Zeland. Shillingford has shown that he is WI best spinner in this format & if WI choose to player in spinner in this series it should be him. However the WI may be better advised to go off with 4 seamers (if they have them) & using Gayle & Samuels part time spin as the 5th bowler.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (November 18, 2013, 19:44 GMT)

@VivGilchrist, I totally agree with your thoughts on the lack of warm up cricket. The management chose to send the team to Florida foe a bonding session rather than get to Ind a week earlier and get another game in. They have made the same mistake again in NZL with just 1 3 day game. The weather can always be hit & miss there and they could loose 1,2 or maybe even all 3 days to weather. The minimum any touring team should be looking to play going in to a test series is 1 3 day & 1 4 day game against a decent standard A team. It's difficult to see anything other than a NZL series win coming here.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 19:32 GMT)

I remember the WI of the past - flamboyant cricketers who were a joy to watch. Now even Chris Gayle seems in a rush to go back to the pavilion. Sammy is too ordinary to be in the team. Compared to even the Bangladeshi skipper, Sammy hardly contributes. Mushy on the other hand scores centuries and half tons almost at will. He leads from the front and these days all captains do that - Dhoni, Cook, Mushy etc. Only then can u command respect from your teammates.

Posted by Mayfield on (November 18, 2013, 19:29 GMT)

What a joke. The board, coach and selectors are all jokers. You have a captain and vice captain with a 21.23 and 26.53 test avg respectively. What other test team have that. As a kid, when we were playing village cricket you would always try to pick the best players to be on your side. Apparently, the WI selectors and coach dont even have the common sense of children playing village cricket. NZ will give them a drubbing just as India did.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 19:27 GMT)

Are the selectors really serious? How can they continue with the status Quo? This team is and has been a total failure. Are they relying on hope? I don't think I can honestly call for Sammy's head. Please look at Sammy's numbers for these last two test matches as captain. While at it take a look at the vice captain's. Who ever is responsible for the selectors for God's sake please make some changes. I am a lover of cricket especially West Indian cricket. But if this is the direction we are going I will find another team to root for. The pain under Messers Gibson and Sammy is too much to bear. Sammy once said look at Jesus he did nothing and look what they did to him. Well said Sammy,think about this a while.

Posted by noplay on (November 18, 2013, 18:55 GMT)

Hey guys. West Indies will do well against New Zealand and we will be on top of the world again. Our world, of course, just consists of four teams.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 18:47 GMT)

Darren Sammy is like Mike Brearly for England? Can't disagree more. Brearly was quite sound with his onfield tactics and take all the players along, senior most or a newcomer. We all know how the likes of Gayle, Chanderpaul and Sarwan were treated by the Sammy/Gibbson setup. Sammy is there because he's the man of the establishment. Offers nothing with the bat as an all-rounder, perhaps a handy slogger at number 9, and not good enough to play as one of the 4 specialist bowlers. Gayle may not want to sign a contract with the WICB, so look at Samuels as the choice for captain. And a player like Kraigg Brathwaite, who has shown a good attitude to test cricket should be given opportunities as he has been in good form in recent months.

Posted by jagansanthanam on (November 18, 2013, 18:06 GMT)

Who in this squad is capable of leading the team? None in my opinion. It is for this reason, Sammy is an okay choice. If you look at Indian side, a Kohli, Rohit or Ashwin looks like leaders of the future. You need one WI player to put up performances to be considered for leadership role in immediate future. If anyone is a little close, it is Dwayne Bravo. If Roach & Rampaul return, this side isn't as bad as what we saw in India. How long would Chris Gayle be in the side? Sammy will be out of the team the moment a leader is identified. Right now he is like what a Mike Brearly used to be for England in the late 1970's. He had a Willis and a Botham to pick wickets at will. Who does Sammy have today?

Posted by Frayninho21 on (November 18, 2013, 17:56 GMT)

A staggering choice of selection. I'm assuming Roach is injured but Rampaul would bowl beautifully in NZ conditions. I think Kraigg Brathwaite is unfortunate not to be going as well.

Posted by CodandChips on (November 18, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

Outrageous decision. Won't even be able to compete.

Posted by nafzak on (November 18, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

Failure at all levels for WI... Board, Selectors, Coach, Captain and Players. Bishoo was named 'emerging cricketer of the year' several years ago. That was when Bishoo bowled the most overs in several consecutive series..vs India and Pakistan in the WI and then again against Bangladesha & India overseas. By the time the next series (in the WI) came around, Bishoo was burned out and dropped (forever?). Now, WI is repeating the same mistake with Shillingford. Sammy's claim to fame is that he is a 'container' when bowling. Well, that may work in ODI or T/20, but in test matches, you need to take wickets. Gayle's body language suggested that he is uninterested in tests. Best & Gabriel, are avg. at best on a good day. They are not Test match material. Shillingford and Samuels will again be reported for throwing. So, what's new. N. Deonarine, is an allrounder who is way underbowled. KO Sammy & get another specialist batsman. Too many problems with Wi for this space.

Posted by chechong0114 on (November 18, 2013, 16:02 GMT)

As disappointed as I am about the West Indies performance in the 2 test matches of this series I must admit that I very much agree with the board's decision to retain the same team for the upcoming series against New Zealand. There really isn't anything better to offer in the Caribbean anyway, so hopefully this batch can continue to gel with each other get mentally stronger and give a better showing of themselves in the upcoming series. Best of luck to all of them.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 15:40 GMT)

Kirk Edwards played well when India toured W Indies for a 3 test series last. Where is he now?

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 15:39 GMT)

Wow. No one is accountable after the embarrassment that was India? A few of the players and certainly the selectors need to go! Ridiculous. Can't say that I am totally surprised but certainly disappointed. I am 34 yrs old and have not missed a series since I started following Windies as an 11yr. I will not be following this one. Good luck team.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 15:36 GMT)

Test cricket should contain specialists and not part timers like Sammy who has no reason to be in the team..

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

Accountability is the key to success! Your demise of WI CRICKET comes from the lack of failure to adapt to your surrounding. To ignore the basic premise that this administration lack common cricketing sense. To continue selecting the same players over & over again tells me been ignorant to your decision making means you are not qualify as selectors. no way is failure bring success...

Posted by ChanaL on (November 18, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

Wow, I thought performance was a factor in any team selection. Looks like est indies cricket is. Selecting on some other criteria. The disgusting lost to India should be looked at, if WI feels they did well. Lost all respect after the way lost to India. WI has such proud cricket history, FEEL SORRY.....

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 14:45 GMT)

Its Sammy bashing time again. I think we are all bashing the wrong person. As much as I thing Sammy shpuld never be on the Test Team, he did not pay for the Captaincy role. We should bash the selectors. Lets get a list of names together and send it WICB and see if they can revamp the selection committee.

Posted by vinodkumargr696 on (November 18, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

New Zealand played the same cricket when they travelled India last year as like west indies but captain sammy has to think that why he is captain of WI take the responsibility of batting and bowling when team needs. stop playing like Afridi .. Bring on RAM Paul ,Holder, Or even any leggies like Samuel badree or young leg bishoo. its left to west indies selectors to think on gayles test performances so play well Sammy team hope u get better in Black caps land..

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 18, 2013, 14:31 GMT)

No Roach or Narine equals no 10 wickets

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 14:17 GMT)

As a long standing follower of out team, I was embarrassed by the comments of the Sanjey Mandjrekar on Sammy's performances in the series. Michael Holding was also scathing in his remarks about him. May be the selectors think that if they make changes that they are admitting that they have failed. Courtney Browne, Robert Haynes and Clyde Butts have to go and they have to take along Sammy and Otis Gibson with them. Our cricket will not improve under their stewardship.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:54 GMT)

What is the point of Sammy. He is an allrounder only in the sense he is equally poor at both disciplines. He neither bats - as his position at number 8 in the order demonstrates, nor does he warrant selection as a bowler as he only bowled 21 overs on the tour - a true bowler will bowl that many in a day. When Sammy bowls its almost like is providing the batsmen with throwdowns, bowling them in, rather than out. As with the batsman, Gayle is always a danger but needs to show consistency and more of a drive to play tests. Bravo is a talent but needs to convert promising starts. Chanderpaul is the one class test batsman and needs to shoulder more responsibility by moving up to 3/4 so not to always bat with the tail. Ramdin looks good. The fast bowlers look unpenetrative to the point of hopelessness, for all Best's huff and puff - short and wide doesn't cut it in international cricket. Bring back Roach and Rampaul, two bowlers who can generate pace and movement.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:52 GMT)

Where is Narine.The logic behind him being left out is ludicrous.Isnt T20 the toughest for a bowler and he is one of the best.So how can you say he is not a test player?

Posted by OverDcovers on (November 18, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

I think a 5 Test Match Series should be played between West Indies and Pakistan as both teams are almost at par these days. At least this series can decide which is the worse of the two as well as give another run to Misbah to survive till 2015 World Cup.

Posted by rayinto on (November 18, 2013, 13:49 GMT)

Darren Bravo should only represent West Indies as Brian Lara impressionist - off the field of course!

Posted by eddsnake on (November 18, 2013, 13:41 GMT)

@ hsk-cricket Great squad, I'd go with Gayle, Powell, Edwards/Sarwan, Darren Bravo, Chanderpaul, Samuels, Ramdin, Rampaul, Taylor (is he fit these days?), Narine (if Shillingford is banned from bowling?), Roach. Sammy has done a good job in ODIs and T20s but is wasting a space in the test team, who can replace him as captain out of that XI though?

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:40 GMT)

Sarwan, Taylor are done. Taylor was out of competitive cricket in Jamaica for a while and Sarwan's recent performances have been abysmal. The results in NZ will be no different than in India. Sammy, Gabriel, Best, Permaul should be replaced by Dw Bravo, Rampaul, Holder, Narine. The selectors have outlived their usefulness. Our cricket will continue to languish at the bottom until these three selectors and the inept board. The present incumbents don't seem to have WI Cricket at heart. Sammy must be the worst All Rounder to ever represent the WI over an extended period, he has to go.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 18, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

Every time West Indies time take the field they go on with 10 players. Hard as they try they cannot turn Sammy into a Test player. He just is not one. The other major problem is that they go into most Tests without having any domestic play to get them into the right frame of mind. The sooner they organise the basics properly the better. If Dwayne Bravo- who is a Test player-can captain ODI team, why not Test team?

Posted by rayinto on (November 18, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

Bring back Sarwan! Surely he can do better than the rest.

Posted by Orangetable on (November 18, 2013, 13:31 GMT)

LOL- Darren Sammy is still captain.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:23 GMT)

Everyone were hugely disappointed with performances of WI this series, but give them time. Remember other sides are also facing similar rebuilding problems. England will be with spinners and seamers as swann and anderson are above 30, similarly with SA Kallis is 38, steyn and philander are above 30, and I think morkel is close to 30. These guys will only be getting better so give them time. Regarding Sammy, ever since he lost ODI captaincy he has lost that passion. Unless he shows that, he needs to be removed as test captain as well.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:09 GMT)

Wake up West Indies supporters the selectors are shame to make any changes for it would show that they are not fit to be selectors omg I can't imagine they useing that same team

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:08 GMT)

Fudadin sarwan holder rampaul Edwards ..west inides is not playing enough cricket..

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:08 GMT)

speechless so I'm going to type instead. same squad = same result. have we not learnt anything from the last 2 matches? Sammy you have changed the team from a unity perspective but even you need to admit that you dont warrant a place in the squad. where are all the young talent we saw in thr cpl?

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 13:02 GMT)

no changes ..so their are rewarding these players for failure . they are comfortable and dont feel their position are threatened.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 12:51 GMT)

Appoint Sachin as their coach :-)

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 12:45 GMT)

team shud have been;powell,edwards,bravo,samuels,chanderpaul,asad fudadin,ramdin,shillingford,holder,roach,rampaul

Posted by hurting_westindian on (November 18, 2013, 12:40 GMT)

For God's sake!! Can anyone stop this madness!! The WICB is being held accountable to no one, the players are being left to prepare as they see fit. In no other team who cares about the sport they are playing or for their fans do you see this persistent disregard for building and putting out players with any high degree of ability. You cannot tell me that after producing some of the greatest players in the history of the game and dominating the sport of cricket for years, that WI cricket should be at the bottom of the barrel for over 2 DECADES and that is acceptable. These guys go out on the field hoping not to win but just be "competitive" and they can't even do that!!! Please HELP us ICC the regional boards for islands don't care about WI cricket because they don't see it as their team once their country's name is not on it. We have no one.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 12:40 GMT)

I GIVE UP ON WEST INDIES CRICKET. I HAVE HAD IT. I remember 96/97 8+ years old & WI were touring Australia , everybody even my mom & my sister would move into the living room to watch cricket. their was a sofa that could fold down into a bed that i wood fall asleep on after fighting with all my might to stay awake. if you dont believe, my dad took a picture of me, fast asleep with both hands on my cheek holding up my head facing the tv. the 1st words out of my mouth when i woke up were not good morning or whats for breakfast if i slept so long but ' what's the score?' & from those highs of watching Walsh, Ambrose Bishop & Lara I have watched West Indies cricket sink to the point where my blessed father would say to me, ' why waste electricity watching worst indies cricket?' the same man who brought out the cricket fanatic in me. may his soul rest in peace. it is extremely frustrating that my only means of venting my frustration is these seemingly pointless cricinfo posts :"(

Posted by hsk-cricket on (November 18, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

I think Wi squad should be this - C Gayle, Darren Bravo, R Sarwan, M Samuels, S Chanderpaul, Dwayne Bravo, D Ramdin, K Roach, R Rampaul, F Edwards, S Narine, Jerome Taylor, T Best, K Powell, S Shillingford or D Bishoo. first 11 sholud be the playing 11 and then if they want changes then other 4 should be considered. If Shillingford's bowling action is fine he should get the nod, in the squad and the playing 11.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

where is ramnaresh sarwan

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

WI are virtually minnows, while NZ is only a weak team. See how well NZ had fought in India; but for some poor decisions, they'd have posed even bigger challenge. Chanderpaul is a world class player and Shillingford (his action having been reported, he'd be under some pressure, to make matters worse) a very promising one. The rest: some athletes and hitters.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 11:59 GMT)

Jesus christ, i give up how can the selectors pick an unchanged squad after such a drubbing in India?? They need to be fired immediately.

No narine again, Sammy still as test captain - utter madness

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 11:56 GMT)

You would think after seeing permaul and Cotterell bowl in India series they would make some changes.

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

the wicb selectors should be fired immediately .this is a disgrace as everyone knows sammy cannot make the test team,we need more bowling. the lowly nz will give them a good thrashing

Posted by Rajeshj on (November 18, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

Not a good squad and one which lacks logic.. Why are so many good bowlers being benched??.. There is so much inexperience in bowling which left them squarely exposed in the Indian series.. Feel bad for Sammy in what he can do with this squad.. You can't blame him for the poor performance of batsmen/bowlers and still expect him to show results with the same squad which got thrashed in India.. Sammy's batting/bowling was not great in Indian series.. everyone goes through lean patch.. but he was lot better than other stalwarts such as Gayle/Samuels/Bravo.. If these guys had played half-decently then WI would have fared much better.. Why are they not blamed for anything??.. Strange WI selectorial politics and logics..

Posted by VivGilchrist on (November 18, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

Only one warm up match? That's the same mistake they made in India. The players need a chance to get used to the conditions. As a side point, Rampauls bowling would've suited NZ conditions.

Posted by AamirKhan-SuperStar on (November 18, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

How many fast bowlers in this team? Dnt u think they need more than Best and Gabriel for 3 test series that ll be played in good bowling conditions.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 18, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

They will now likely receive a drubbing in New Zealand. I hope Kirk Edwards at least gets a run out this time he deserves it instead of Bravo , Brathwaite should have also replaced Powell opening, it's not just the failures of Powell/ Bravo its the way they fail that shows they're not Test material. Bravo should have been dropped or at least fined after the first Indian Test for the way he behaved towards Shiv after he ran himself out, even if it was Shivs fault which it wasn't that is not acceptable way to behave and just proves along with lack of skill and mental toughness he does not yet have the respect or responsibility needed to succeed. He has been way over hyped "the next Lara" and all that rubbish & seems to have actually bought into the hype, he needs to be dropped to be brought back to reality & go work at his technical an mental game.

Posted by itismenithin on (November 18, 2013, 11:29 GMT)

Not sure why the other Bravo isn't in the squad, he is miles better than Sammy. Bowling attack is way too thin, need to see the likes of Holder, Rampaul,Narine & Bishoo.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (November 18, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Last Test V New Zealand Sunil Narine was Mom taking 5 wickets in first innings of the game including important Guptil in the 90's the other opener Flynn and clean bowled Ross Taylor. He followed that up in the second innings again removing both openers who had got good starts from memory Guptill had very difficult time facing Sunil. I'm sure however he and NZ will be quaking in their boots having to face up to Permaul instead . . .

Posted by Rewa402 on (November 18, 2013, 11:20 GMT)

If the WI play as well as they did against India, then it should be an easy victory for NZ

Posted by   on (November 18, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

why not at least include Json Holder for Shannon?

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