West Indies in New Zealand 2013-14 December 14, 2013

Gibson asks West Indies to 'man up'

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Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, has revealed that some harsh words were spoken in the dressing room after his team's innings-and-73-run drubbing in Wellington and called on his players to "man up" as they aim to level the Test series next week.

Phrases such as "embarrassed" and "lack of fight" were at the forefront of some home truths after the Test had finished shortly after tea on the third day, with 16 wickets falling on Friday. West Indies had a behind-closed-doors training session back at Basin Reserve on Saturday, which included middle practice between the squad, as Gibson tried to repair some confidence before travelling to Hamilton on Monday.

"'Embarrassed' was mentioned. 'Lack of fight' was mentioned. Those are things you don't want to be hearing too often in your dressing room," Gibson said. "We haven't heard those things too often in our dressing room recently. We have played some pretty good cricket. India was tough for us, but we are making it tough for ourselves here.

"New Zealand are playing very well but we're not standing up to what they're offering. That's the disappointing thing. When you play away from home you expect it to be tough and we just have to man up and face up to the challenge that New Zealand present to us."

Normally coaches and captains try to "take the positives" even in defeat, but there was little that Gibson could cling to. The die was cast early when they shelled Ross Taylor at slip before he had scored. He went onto make 129 in New Zealand's 441, a dominant total on a well-grassed surface that Darren Sammy had been able to give his bowlers first use of.

"Sometimes when things are going wrong, everything goes wrong at the same time," Gibson said. "When things are going well, everything goes well together. We've always been a nation of fighters, our backs are against the wall here and we just have to ride it out."

Gibson accepted that his pace bowlers - Tino Best and Shannon Gabriel - had let their chance slip away on the opening day after taking out the New Zealand openers cheaply - albeit noting the impact of the Taylor drop - but he was not ready to lose faith in the ones at his disposal on this trip. In truth, though, he can't do much else. His options are limited with Sheldon Cottrell, the left-armer, the only other frontline quick in the squad.

West Indies were keen to play Sunil Narine in Wellington but the pitch was so green as to halt that move, and although Sammy had indicated it may be the only route left for West Indies, Gibson was more reticent to throw his lot in with a spin approach for Hamilton.

"Any time you see a wicket with grass on like we have here, especially this one where the ball swung as well, of course you expect better from your attack when you win the toss and put the opposition in. You don't expect them to make 441," Gibson said. "What it's teaching us is a certain set of skills we have to acquire, which we haven't nailed down yet. In the Caribbean the ball swings for two overs then you have to make it move off the surface. In New Zealand it swings for much longer. It's evident from what you see on the TV that we aren't getting it to swing.

"Looking at New Zealand, if I was in their camp, it would probably be another green seamer which nullifies the two spin option. The pitches haven't spun, New Zealand's spinner [Ish Sodhi] bowled three overs in the match here. They've got three seamers who are swinging it and causing us problems so I don't see why they'd change the format. Two spinners is a consideration, but we'll have to look at what is the best format to win the Test."

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • everfaithful77 on December 18, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    @wirus I agree with you Sammy's comments before the 2nd test were totally unwarranted if not stupid and now Gibson has taken over. It's just pathetic. I think they should do much less talking and concentrate more on the task ahead. In my opinion there is a dire need for a complete makeover of LEADERSHIP in West Indies cricket including the selectors, head coach and captains of test & ODI teams. Here are my recommendations for replacements: (1) SELECTION PANEL(5 members):- Dujon, Lara, Ambroise, Grenidge and Richards(chairman). (2) HEAD COACH & Bowling COACH:- Desmond Haynes, Courtney Walsh; Fielding/Fitness COACH. (3) TEST & ODI CAPTAIN :- Dinesh Ramdin (he has served as vice-captain of both teams for a long time and skippered the Windies on a few occasions; he has also lead Trinidad for some time now). Ramdin has had his off-colour moments but remains a staunch member of both teams. He has served loyally as v/capt for a very long time and now deserves a chance to lead the Windies.

  • wirus on December 16, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    Gibson asks WI to man up? Someone should ask Gibson to shut up! I cannot recall anything sensible coming from his lips during the course of these two tours. But that should not be surprising. Both he and Sammy came in at a time when WI needed a change - any change - and these two did a reasonably good job for a while but they have both overstayed there time. It is so obvious that WI most glaring deficiency is mental. True they have technical problems too but that is fairly slight in comparison to their mental unpreparedness for test and ODI cricket. Again it doesn't help when the best or most in form players aren't chosen but above it's the psychological that defeats WI far more regularly than swing, spin or fine batting. Neither Gibson nor Sammy can help here.

  • ramli on December 16, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    With Shillingford barred from bowling by ICC, Narine is the only answer for WI ... WI did show fight in first test ... they just forgot to do that during 2nd test ... may be they will come back on track in the 3rd test ...

  • rayinto on December 16, 2013, 4:46 GMT

    Gibson, swallow hard and recall Sarwan before things get worse.

  • rayinto on December 16, 2013, 4:40 GMT

    Man up is how Gibson motivates his players? No wonder they stutter in performing.

  • BigGeorgeMehemood on December 16, 2013, 1:51 GMT

    NZ will thrash WI again...West Indies have joke batsman especially Samuel, Sammy and Deonarine. Dem real look foolish when dem batting. Dem need fuh eat Snail curry with brown rice to help dem concentrate.

  • creekeetman on December 15, 2013, 22:34 GMT

    how can they man up when there is only one man among a bunch of boys on the team.

  • DavyMo on December 15, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    West Indian Cricket.. where do i start? a test team has to last more than 3 days of cricket. This requires patience, patience and more patience!! This is what the West Indies lack in their batting. Bowling wise they are mediocre. What did the selectors think when they picked an attack consisting of Best, Gabriel, Sammy and Deonarine? Only Shillingford comes out of this with any credit. Are we really going to see us bowling out the opposition for 150? NEVER! Where is the likes of Sarwan, Dwayne Bravo, Rampaul, Jerome Taylor, Fidel Edwards to try at least put some fear into the opposition? There is a lot of talented West Indian players at 20/20 level in which they are superb but it is time to transfer that talent into the test arena. Barath could be a good shout at the top of the order.. a batsman who has test patience and a player West Indies badly require!

  • badjonz on December 15, 2013, 21:41 GMT

    So ive watched some videos on Sarwan on youtube, why isnt he on the team? He has one of the better techniques in the West Indies and a very good player of spin... This boggles my mind.

  • Riddymon on December 15, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    Also in terms of Rampaul's fitness...as someone else said on here, even a chubby rampaul is better than gabriel or tino best. We need him back asap along with roach

  • everfaithful77 on December 18, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    @wirus I agree with you Sammy's comments before the 2nd test were totally unwarranted if not stupid and now Gibson has taken over. It's just pathetic. I think they should do much less talking and concentrate more on the task ahead. In my opinion there is a dire need for a complete makeover of LEADERSHIP in West Indies cricket including the selectors, head coach and captains of test & ODI teams. Here are my recommendations for replacements: (1) SELECTION PANEL(5 members):- Dujon, Lara, Ambroise, Grenidge and Richards(chairman). (2) HEAD COACH & Bowling COACH:- Desmond Haynes, Courtney Walsh; Fielding/Fitness COACH. (3) TEST & ODI CAPTAIN :- Dinesh Ramdin (he has served as vice-captain of both teams for a long time and skippered the Windies on a few occasions; he has also lead Trinidad for some time now). Ramdin has had his off-colour moments but remains a staunch member of both teams. He has served loyally as v/capt for a very long time and now deserves a chance to lead the Windies.

  • wirus on December 16, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    Gibson asks WI to man up? Someone should ask Gibson to shut up! I cannot recall anything sensible coming from his lips during the course of these two tours. But that should not be surprising. Both he and Sammy came in at a time when WI needed a change - any change - and these two did a reasonably good job for a while but they have both overstayed there time. It is so obvious that WI most glaring deficiency is mental. True they have technical problems too but that is fairly slight in comparison to their mental unpreparedness for test and ODI cricket. Again it doesn't help when the best or most in form players aren't chosen but above it's the psychological that defeats WI far more regularly than swing, spin or fine batting. Neither Gibson nor Sammy can help here.

  • ramli on December 16, 2013, 8:06 GMT

    With Shillingford barred from bowling by ICC, Narine is the only answer for WI ... WI did show fight in first test ... they just forgot to do that during 2nd test ... may be they will come back on track in the 3rd test ...

  • rayinto on December 16, 2013, 4:46 GMT

    Gibson, swallow hard and recall Sarwan before things get worse.

  • rayinto on December 16, 2013, 4:40 GMT

    Man up is how Gibson motivates his players? No wonder they stutter in performing.

  • BigGeorgeMehemood on December 16, 2013, 1:51 GMT

    NZ will thrash WI again...West Indies have joke batsman especially Samuel, Sammy and Deonarine. Dem real look foolish when dem batting. Dem need fuh eat Snail curry with brown rice to help dem concentrate.

  • creekeetman on December 15, 2013, 22:34 GMT

    how can they man up when there is only one man among a bunch of boys on the team.

  • DavyMo on December 15, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    West Indian Cricket.. where do i start? a test team has to last more than 3 days of cricket. This requires patience, patience and more patience!! This is what the West Indies lack in their batting. Bowling wise they are mediocre. What did the selectors think when they picked an attack consisting of Best, Gabriel, Sammy and Deonarine? Only Shillingford comes out of this with any credit. Are we really going to see us bowling out the opposition for 150? NEVER! Where is the likes of Sarwan, Dwayne Bravo, Rampaul, Jerome Taylor, Fidel Edwards to try at least put some fear into the opposition? There is a lot of talented West Indian players at 20/20 level in which they are superb but it is time to transfer that talent into the test arena. Barath could be a good shout at the top of the order.. a batsman who has test patience and a player West Indies badly require!

  • badjonz on December 15, 2013, 21:41 GMT

    So ive watched some videos on Sarwan on youtube, why isnt he on the team? He has one of the better techniques in the West Indies and a very good player of spin... This boggles my mind.

  • Riddymon on December 15, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    Also in terms of Rampaul's fitness...as someone else said on here, even a chubby rampaul is better than gabriel or tino best. We need him back asap along with roach

  • on December 15, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    Its time west indies cricket board get people who understand the game in charge of the team what has been going on with the west indies team is just too much for too long the hard work of the pass legends are being make a mockery of, the selection panel is the problem they are picking guys with little are no ability to play test cricket and expect to win. Sammy batting are bowling is not first change are good enough for test Gabriel cant pitch the ball on the seam best is not a spear head of test bowling he can be a third are fourth seamer most of the batsmen technique are bad its time to start looking for youngster with the ability and work with them, Christ Gayle 33, chanderpaul 39 its time to move on and start look to the feature they need guys they cant get at least 7 or 8 years out of, my team for touring country's like SA, AUS,END,NEWZ, 1Simmons (wkp), 2Edwards, 3Sarwan (capt), 4 Bravo, 5 Samuel, 6Carter 7rampaul 8Roach, 9Narine, 10Cummins 11caterall, sub continent add a spiner

  • shattar on December 15, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    cricket should follow football in that when ever a team is not performing to standard the coach and the manager are the first to go.......otis gibson is a waste of time never saw what qualified him to be windies coach...having said that if a pitch is green and suits pace bowling then cotterel should have been in for shillingford and if u are going to play spin in the game then narine should have been in the team they need to assess the pitches correct and pick the bowlers accordingly , narine was very instrumental in the caribbean and if shillingford can bowl well on a pitch guarantee your self that narine can do ten times better

  • on December 15, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    Whatever the coach tells the guys in the dressing room should stay in the dressing room. I would imagine the players are embarassed now that the coach revealed to the world he told them to "man up."

  • on December 15, 2013, 14:50 GMT

    There are several issues that need to addressed. 1) Nine support staff for a team that's consistently mediocre it appears that there's over management and WICB have a lot of money to waste. 2) Travelling to Florida to improve team morale was another waste of money and reveals questionable management decisions. 3) Persisting with the same selectors and a panel with mediocre test experience reveals a lack basic management skills. 4) Having given this coaching staff several years and with no signs of improvement it's time to move on - Gibson and Sammy and the selectors should man up and all resign in tandem. 5) As an arm chair selector I would like to postulate that fast bowlers cannot take wickets unless they move the ball sideways and bowlers who know to take wickets will do so on green pitches or not. We need to pick wicket takers Miller , Narine etc It's very clear that the mental aptitude and strength has been lacking because the talent is there.

  • Paris_in_the_snow on December 15, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    To all the ARMCHAIR SELECTORS out there - with all these players you are asking to be brought back - HAVE WE WON AN AWAY TEST SERIES AGAINST ANY FORMIDABLE TEAM WITH THEM?

    I don't blame it on Sammy - although if we had a more talented cricketer who could be competitive and concentrate on their game as well as being a leader for five days non stop - he would not even be in the team.

    Although good players don't always make good coaches - different skill set - it is MR Gibson's decision-making that is questionable - is he making the best use of resources given to him? And is he helping to improve his team. No evidence of that in India and only 1 (Bravo's double) of about a hundred opportunities in NZ.

    SOMETHING IS WRONG IN THE WAY WE PREPARE FOR TEST MATCHES. We need to be ready ahead of time for game changing moments/opportunities - like the chance given by Taylor to make it 3 down - boy would the Aussies would have been looking out for that catch, taken it and turned the screws.

  • Bounti on December 15, 2013, 10:23 GMT

    Baundele while you seem to have a fair knowledge of the cricketers in the West Indies your reasoning for their selection in the final 11 can only be described as ......interesting. Take Ramdin. If you think that his performance over the course of this test series or indeed over the course his career is adequate then I suggest that you must be drinking to much rum his place in the side has to be urgently filled by a young upcoming keeper as he clearly does not have the appetite for test cricket. Next you say drop Samuels here is where I'm sure you are not all here. Samuels is probably the only batsman apart from Gayle and Chanderpaul that will slightly occupy an oppositions thoughts before a test match you need to stop thinking about stuffing the team with T&T players and think West Indies

  • on December 15, 2013, 9:23 GMT

    Braithwaite should not start playing for WI. When u select a player prematurely their confidence can be reuined ie Xavier Marshall. Braithwaite should play at home first let him play in familiar conditions. Otis Gibson and Darren Sammy needs to be sacked. Holder should have been playing. I have seen Shannon Gabriel bowl for several games dont see what selectors have seen in him he is brisk pace not express pace no swing or seam movement and lacks control. For this tour Roach injured, rampaul not up to test fitness from last injury both would have played. Ideally 3rd pacer would have been Jerome Taylor if not for politics of WI. From fit bowlers holder should have played as well as Taylor and tried one of new quicks. But not Cotrell who in his debut game looked like he did not want ro be there

  • on December 15, 2013, 3:37 GMT

    The management should take some of the blame as well. to begin with the first test was poor yet they start the same team, new zealand spend hrs in the field the bowlers must be sore from the first test i didnt know why they didnt bat first but it was evident that there batting is pathetic. Changes have to be made, bowling line up weak non of the bowlers cant bowl seam up what happen to the WI four pace combination. Sammy lack imagination in the field not because he is the captain he should be drop his form as drop he is seemingly in one day form. Powell need to be drop down the order put Marlon back in the 3 spot give holder sammy spot, chadwick comes in for ramdin, cottrell for gabriel. Test is about patience and stamina and the west indies lack both in the field and on the strip. Time for WI to try and international coach

  • westindiesupporter on December 15, 2013, 2:46 GMT

    We need to get back Ravi Rampaul and Jason Holder in the team before things slip away from us.

  • on December 15, 2013, 1:04 GMT

    I love the windies but changes must be made and quickly the coach is the first problem he has to take most of the blame for there current demise he should walk asap, he refuses to select the rite team. Were is sarwan he averages 40 in tests and has scored 15 test centuries, surely he must come in and bat at 5 or 6 he has tons of experience is at least worth another go. Jerome taylor ,fidel edwardes ,and the allrounder Dwayne bravo into the bowling attack. Gabriel and best are not test match standards and should get dropped, along with deonarine he is also not upto it., kieron pollard should be given a go at 6 that's if he wants to even play test cricket. rampaul should also be included. Also were is barath he has to be also in the side opening the batting .

  • on December 15, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    This performance by the players is pathetic. But why after scoring 400 plus in the previous test and during the next match the wi can't muster at least two hundred runs. It seems that the wi batsmen are not learning. Let me see what theyare going to do in the final Test match

  • JoshFromJamRock on December 15, 2013, 0:07 GMT

    Personally (for the umpteenth time) i would pick this test team should every player be available:

    1)Braithwaite 2)Powell 3)Edwards 4)Chanderpaul 5)Lil Bravo 6)Deonarine 7)Ramdin 8)Rampaul 9)Holder 10)Roach 11)Shillingford

    Seven things...

    1 - Nothing is wrong with the top 3 being opening bats (edwards batted at 3 on numerous occasions). 2- Chanderpaul should always bat at four (his average is so high at 5 because he is always not out). 3- Bravo is batting too high (his urge to drive and cut is a delight for opening swing bowlers). 4- Holder should be included (if anyone hasnt noticed, not only does he have bounce but he moves the ball the most #fact). 5- Samuels should be dropped so braithwaite (best test opening batsman) and deonarine (very useful batting allrounder) can be in the side. 6- a slightly chubby rampaul is still better and more effective bowler than a fit sammy. 7- Ramdin is keeping quite well (the premise of his selection) and is making runs ...point: leave him alone!

  • Baundele on December 14, 2013, 22:33 GMT

    And one more thing, Ottis Gibson as a coach is destroying the team more. He is doing nothing but talking big, blaming only the players, taking no responsibility and dumping seniors.

  • on December 14, 2013, 22:32 GMT

    Time to RECALL Sarwan, time to SACK Sammy, time to FIRE OPISS Gibson. Sammy lack basic cricket skills to lead a Test team ( 8 balls, 2 ducks within hours). Gibson lack leadership skills to mentally coach a Test team. Come on Gibson has 3 Test wickets at 92+ runs a piece. What makes Opiss a Test coach. This is the worst WI team I have seen in 40 years since I have been following WI criclet.

  • Baundele on December 14, 2013, 22:29 GMT

    West Indies' problem is they are not a team, just a collection of individuals. I was surprised at their big talk when they avoided an innings defeat in the first test only because of a single player's excellence. They certainly did not focus on their weaknesses and paid the price in the second test against a weak team like NZ. At the moment Bangladesh is a more balanced team then these two.

  • Supercat1950 on December 14, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    Current WI team is like a college team. Individuals who haven't proved themselves during their play days are coaches. Not sure how Stuart Williams can advise these batsmen. Tino Best, not sure what he wants to do waste his energy in running and jumping not bowling. Not seen one yorker from these fast bowler no full length delivery. If the watch videos of fast bowllers of the past and hear the commentary then they can do better. Shannon Gabriel not sure on what basis they have selected his running is not all good for a bowler, sort of stamping the ground. All the balls directed towards fine leg. none threatening the bowlers. Without Shilly , they would not have bowled out the NZ. It is almost 3 decades now that WI team is considered as international team. harsh words were spoken in the dressing room this should have happened long long time ago. I doubt even the almighty can help the WI revival. Waiting for decades to see WI on the top of the list. Seems to be a life time wish.

  • on December 14, 2013, 19:57 GMT

    kraigg brathwaite is soo talented no one i believe has concentration like him at this age he even has 4 test fifties in 17 innings and he wasnt even 20 years old yet, he is in terrific form and is looking better each game, when he toured india in october he was the leading run scorer for windies A and he also had a strike rate under 45 that shows he has great concentration and a strong deffence, kieran powell needs to go work on his technique more 36 innnings 3 hundreds 2 50's needs to do a bit more better needs to correct his technique he lost his form and is getting too much starts and wasting them, he has so many 20's and 30's this year its wierd he hasent scored 7 or more 50's

  • 22many on December 14, 2013, 19:55 GMT

    These players need to take a very serious look at themselves regarding the damage they are doing to the great game of cricket in the WI. Their present performances are nothing short of sabotage. The young boys and girls wanting to take up the game and progress to enjoy the fruits of traveling the world playing the greatest game of all, need to have someone to look up to...modern day hero's...not guys who look totally dis interested and under achieving. World cricket would not be the same without a strong, united, West Indian team. But unless we see a change of attitude, performances, and some strong management, those young kids with a dream, will go else where.

  • on December 14, 2013, 19:52 GMT

    everyday i read some of these pointless coments, replace this replace that. everyone is asking for delorn johnson why dont you peoplle look at his stats, is he in good form no he is not, he has bowled in 32 innings and taken 48 wickets not even 50, is that the bowler everyone is asking for who isnt even in form then there is miguel cummins he only has played two seasons of fc cricket dont rush the guy into cricket with so little experience you will kill his career, he has done very well thou but let him develop, 21 innings 43 wickets not bad good economy too, roach is injured rampaul fitness isnt the best fidel edwards good bowler saw him in the cpl he looked good why not try him he even played a wi a match recently in india, the players who deserves the chances and are trying hard are nikita miller kraigg brathwaite(so young and has such great concentration) johnathan carter, asad fudadin, leon johnson, etc

  • on December 14, 2013, 19:39 GMT

    Here is the list (team) of West Indies discarded players; Xavier Marshall, Brendan Nash, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Dave Mohammed, Assad Fudadin, Carlton Baugh, Jerome Taylor, Jermaine Lawson, Omari Banks, and Bishoo.

    Now here is the current crop (team) of failures; Adrian Barath, Kieron Pollard, Dwyane Bravo, Andre Russell, Denesh Ramdin, Chadwick Walton, Tino Best, Fidel Edwards, Shannon Gabriel, and Sheldon Cottrell.

    Which is your team; is it discarded or current failures?

  • thebishop on December 14, 2013, 19:36 GMT

    Gibson has to take most of blame for this. As a former bowler he should have his bowlers bowl "wicket to wicket" instead of all over the place as they are doing now. Of the 23 NZ wickets to fall in this series only 2 (8%) were been bowled or lbw. Of the 40 WI wickets, 16 (40%) were bowled or lbw. That tells you right there the bowlers as way off target. I watched Cottrell pretty much bowling to first slip, and Best is frequently going way down leg. As for the batsmen, they need to apply themselves more - it's a five day game, guys, not a three dayer!

  • on December 14, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    Why is smith bravo and russel left out ? Marine needs to play! Windies are bad but could be better

  • on December 14, 2013, 18:40 GMT

    Sarwan ave. 40.00 in Test but he is unfit for Gibson............unbelievable

  • Ncnotorious on December 14, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    To stay in the WI team is easy. All you have to do is make a fifty every now and again and you retain your place. They dont look at the overall performance of a player over time. Of course, players like Sammy, Best and Deonarine will have a few good innings but over their careers, spanning so many years, the results are not there. Sarwan is a true test batsman with 40 avg over 150+ innings. Which of the current WI batsmen have that? they presist with mediocrity and expect to do better than they did in the recent test?

  • on December 14, 2013, 18:24 GMT

    Most WI batsmen have a fundamentally-flawed batting technique and until they correct it, the team will continue to collapse in a heap until the cows come home. You will notice that several of the batters play the ball away from their body or with the bat slanted to the slip cordon (for that inevitable edge) or flashing at deliveries that should be left alone.

    It is time for the batting coach to address the issue and for the selectors to omit players with such flaws. If one simply looks at the score sheet, one may come to the conclusion that Marlon Samuels is a consistently reliable batsman. But he has many batting flaws which can be easily exploited by the bowlers. He likes to walk across his wicket, heave at the pitched up balls and ends up carting a simple catch or getting stumped.

    It is time to shake up the nucleus of the team and to start picking players with sound batting techniques or continue to see more dramatic, embarrassing batting collapses so common at the junior levels.

  • aclarity on December 14, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    I strongly disagree with the notion that Technology has led to WI downfall. Was it Technology that picked 3 spinners in the team to NZ . Did Technology choose Permal over Miller? Was Technology involved in restoring Deonarine without a regional century in the past 3 years? Is Technology forcing Holder into a team when he should be concentrating on improving his pace? Was Technology a variable in almost derailing CCC (the colleges and universities unified team and last year's finalist) from taking part in the 2014 competition? Did Technology pick Dwayne Bravo as captain of the ODI team when he should not be there? Why is Russell, the best fielder and striker not on the ODI team? And how come "Talk nah Viv" is our Vice Captain? Technology!!! Please do not give those responsible a hole to escape when the windows and doors are bolted.

  • aclarity on December 14, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    Gibson needs to take a look in the mirror and take the WICB with him. Is this the WI culture to get progressively worse without a resignation or firing? Good leaders must have foresight. President Dave Cameron and the WICB need a strong dose. They approved the selection of the failed test team to NZ when most pundits were astounded. The Board did not uphold their responsibility to reject the selection. Whether it is politics, nepotism or plain ignorance, the selectors and Gibson will make President Dave a one termer. Look at the latest ODI team: no Russell, the best fielder and striker and Dwayne Bravo is named captain when he should not even make the team. No wonder the fans are not watching and are now shouting Fire them all.

  • geeneilson on December 14, 2013, 17:23 GMT

    Right on point MK. This discussion is a replica of what i said to my wife in the car just two days ago.. :-) Why have we persisted with this coach? is it that there is no one else with the presence of personality and status? cannot be, simply because Gibson is like a disciplinarian - a tough nut - but was not even a star player in his days so why would anyone expect this team to shine? That combination is a recipe for disaster. I think the fact that we cannot put a solid bowling line-up together is an indictment on Windies cricket. We need to simply admit the facts and relegate Sammy as a one-day/captain and player, we can't ever find two good pace swing bowlers, we cannot keep the good ones healthy(Taylor and now Roach) - always injured - and last but most importantly, the disconnect between the board and the players association plus the old greats is like the Grand Canyon. Why? too much ego and too little togetherness. Plug those gaps or accept that continued failure is inevitable.

  • on December 14, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    Ok lets get to the real problem. 1. Gibson need to go. What has he done for WI? A failure during his playing days. If a bowler is struggling what he can help with????? He was a failure in the players eyes. Get Ambrose as the coach. 2. Batsmen struggling what can Gibson tell them? Bat on son one day you will make some runs you are good? They don't have no one to give technical advice. Let Brian Lara be a part of the coaching team. He is an icon that young players look up to. 3. What are the selector at when they are choosing players no one have a clue with that. Fast bowlers are around but they are not giving some of them a chance. Some are Beaton,Cottrell,Miguel Cummins,Roach,Gabriel,Rampaul,Best. 4. A debate is for the all rounder spot. Russell, Bravo or Sammy? I think Russell is a better choice in my opinion. He BAT better, Bowl better(fast bowler I may add) and one of the best fielder in the WI. 5. The batting dept. Not enough space. will put it on another thread.

  • on December 14, 2013, 16:34 GMT

    I would like to see Sarwan!

  • Outswinging on December 14, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    Gibson needs to man up and resign forthwith. Additionally, Sammy, Samuels, Ramdin, Deonarine and Permaul and Best should make an immediate departure from the team. The openers need to be looked at with a careful eye and be replaced if necessary. The team should embark on an immediate youth movement with Chaderpaul there to provide counsel and guidance. Let the young fast bowlers take the ball under the guidance of any of the Windies' former great faster bowlers, who are ready to commit to improving these young men. A system of higher standards should be implemented for all players with fines instituted for reckless performance with bat or ball. More time needs to be spent on fitness (physical and mental), reviewing tape and studying opponents habits.

  • on December 14, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    Not selecting Deonarine for the first Test of India was a stupid mistake by WI. Deonarine had just concluded a full A Team tour days before. WI cant think .....playing Test man like T20 wouldn't work

  • on December 14, 2013, 15:30 GMT

    The harsh should be directed @ Gibson himself why don't he take a hike & let someone who is more able to do a better job. When will enough be enough, West Indies team are an embarrassment to the Caribbean & indeed to whole World. I am fed up with what has happen to Frank Worrell's team.

  • mshyder on December 14, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    Sammy at best can perform the role of a support bowler. It was a huge selection error to send only 3 pace bowlers on this tour. Gibson has no other pace bowler at his disposal, what can he do ? Roach is injured but what about Rampaul ?

  • RamhanceRampersaud on December 14, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    @ Parin_in_the snow I agree that they lack "mental preparedness, attitude, and the ability to think through tough situations" The question is WHY ? I submit that WI cannot wait for players to be in the test team to teach them "how to think". The expectations of the test cricketers must be shared at the regional levels as well at lowere levels in the WI. Thus the preparation and training of coaches must be available at this level. This DOES NOT EXIST. We cannot wait for the young players to get accepted in this or that academy to teach them how to think, how to train, what te eat and what not to drink. The authourities must also understand the impact of everybody and their brother ready and willing to give "advice" to young and upcoming players. This must be examined and players must be taught how to ignore such approaches, as they can present conflicting information and impair development.

  • bbpp on December 14, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. After 10yrs Best is a 40 avg test bowler, Deonarine is a 35 avg ist class player, Sammy is a 36 avg test bowler. When you persist with such players over many years you will get the results we are getting now. Is that so difficult to comprehend? They may have the odd good game or series but are not class players at test level. Neither is Fidel. If Ramdin is the best gloveman then he has to stay until a better wk/batsman comes along.

    Shilly, Lil Bravo, Kirk, Narine, Roach, Powell, Marlon can form the nucleus of a decent team and try new players around them. I still think Sarwan is one of our better TEST batsmen and with a 40+ average, he isn't quite the failure he is made out to be. He should be there in the transition between Shiv and Lil Bravo and the selectors should know by now (I hope) that scoring runs is more important than running fast!

  • on December 14, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    Perhaps now RR Sarwan will finally be recalled to stiffen the middle order batting.

  • on December 14, 2013, 13:11 GMT

    I am at a loss as to why our bowlers can't get the ball to swing. I am sure the coach can help, keep trying Gibbo. Perhaps Santokie or Cummins should have been on this trip. When or lose however I back the Windies, it hurts really bad to see you guys crumble like you did but I am hoping for something in addition to Our Lord's birth to cheer about for Christmas. Guys, put yesterday out of mind, do the business in Hamilton. New day, new test, new opportunity. I know you guys can do it. God bless.

  • on December 14, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    i think that the coach has to gobecause he is not doinging nothing to improve the team

  • on December 14, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    Would the WICB break the ice and tell the world what has become of Sarwan? Is the door completely locked on his return or Sarwan himself throw in the towel. The same for Taylor and Dwayne Bravo because no selection combination is working in any countries that WI tour. After Chanders goes, WI need someone to stable the middle order and the team lack captaincy for a very long time. I need not comment on which team should be selected for the final test because the result will be the same.

    I do not agree with the comments of having new technology and equipment to help this team either. The likes of the old greats such as Sobers, Lloyd, Kanhai, Fredericks, Kallicharran, Greenidge, Viv and Haynes simply had skills and patience to play against any team under any conditions. WI have to simply have to go back to the basics.

    We just have to dig deeper. Raise the quality of regional cricket. No compromises. Drop poor performers. Find a good captain, a good batting, bowling and fielding coach.

  • IndianInnerEdge on December 14, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    There is no disgrace in loosing as long as you give it your all, as long as you fight, as long as you believe in hanging on till the end-till there is a mathematical chance of your team winning, I'm afraid the windies donot show any of that, some times i feel this is just a band of 20/20 merceneries hastily banded 2gether to play tests, they just donot have the fire, the feeling of representation, the passion that the windies of the 70,80's and early 90's had. The worlds needs a good strong West indies team, maybe it will happen in our life times.....Cheerio

  • on December 14, 2013, 12:14 GMT

    Gibson is the one who should be "Man Up" now. Coach (of international test team)'s job is to analyze strengths and weaknesses of players in the own team and plan / inspire them to utilize their strengths, and analyze opponents strengths and weaknesses of opponents strategize accordingly. He is complete failure in that. Most of the WI wins were not due to methodological execution of any plan, but due to sparks of individual brilliance. WI team leadership/management is very weak and is there only because of their loyalty to board (instead of team) and not because of their capability. Sammy is also not test material (let alone captaincy material). His limited batting and bowling is only suitable of limited overs cricket.

  • PACERONE on December 14, 2013, 12:09 GMT

    The West Indies A team would of performed better than this test team.Anyone following the A team would of noticed that they handled Indian batsmen well at home and in India.These bolwers were not picked for any tests..I am disapointed with batsmen getting out twice in one day.Powell should be dropped and Brathwaite given a game.Powell cannot be allowed to continue getting out carelessly like he does.The tail is hopeless.Miller showed that he could bat enough to stick around for awhile and make runs.His bowling would be an asset.Like I always say W.I will play 6 left hand batsmen given the opposing bowlers no trouble about right and left batsmen.Then they refuse to pick left arm bowlers.Every other nation except England have left arm fast bowlers in one of their teams.They also seem to be picking up wickets when they play.New selectors needed.

  • on December 14, 2013, 11:52 GMT

    I agree that Permaul should not have been in the squad, but also neither Sammy, Best, Gabriel, Ramdin and Deonarine all proven and recycled failures . How long will the selectors continue to pick players who are not suited for test cricket. We need to look towards Leon Johnson, Fudadin, Beaton, Miguel Cummings

  • BRUTALANALYST on December 14, 2013, 11:30 GMT

    To build on this lets look at W.I most promisin batsman, neither r product of any W.I domestic coaching or academy. Powell's development is likely down to fact he had a scholarship at Milfield sports school in England with likes of Kieswetter & Bravo was obsessed with his couson Lara and mirrored his game on his own. The others are Edwards & Brathwaite both of whom are Bajans, Barbados has the best facilities and is the only island with a performance centre all but limited compared to most nations. Now look at 2 youngsters who went to England with all the latest technology coaches nutrition and cricket specific strength programmes, Chris Jordan has progressed into the England set up & Chesney Hughes is looking very promising at Derbyshire, both would walk into this W.I side this is why I'm sick of people saying W.I don't have the passion it's more to do with facilities/experience/gear it's an economic apartheid similar reason British W.I cricket died & black South Africans are rare

  • Metman on December 14, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    Fidel Edwards at present is the MOST successful pace bowler in the WI,with 165 test wks @ around the SAME av.34 to 39 as the other pace bowlers with the exception of Kemar Roach,whose av. is 27.7,furthermore he has 12 ...5 wkt hauls......Rampaul who is NOT as fit as either Edwards or Best has NONE !!! Narine who has not yet shown that he can get wkts,WITHOUT the batsmen going after him,has a test av.of 48,and Jerome Taylor has NOT been playing ANY form of cricket for the past year and a half,and is now only attempting a come back for Jamaica this December. Furthermore,he needs to play a FULL season,get wkts,and show that he is fully fit,BEFORE he is again selected for the WI.

  • on December 14, 2013, 10:56 GMT

    Thiss problem that we are faced with at the moment has to be blamed on the selectors who keep picking the wrong set of guys.they all need to be fired cause this thing is overbearing now.

  • Paris_in_the_snow on December 14, 2013, 10:52 GMT

    As a long suffering WI fan/supporter - I think BRUTALANALYST and Nutcutlet got it 100% right.

    I am happy that Gibson used the words 'a nation' to describe WI as there is enough division in WI cricket and tendency to blame WI downfall on insularity and favouritism. I think no matter which country our players come from -one exception- they lack mental preparedness, attitude, ability to think through tough situations etc. Picking a different players usually ends up in the same results. The entire pool from which we select are not prepared/good enough. Is it the players that need to be better or organisation/infrastructure or both? The short term answer is team on tour has to try and maximise on current talent available.

    After Shillingford's action was questioned by NZ, I would have put him out of the spotlight for a test or two and competed with them with Narine. Of course, egos have to go out the door as process explained to players involved. Eventually play both if they your best.

  • on December 14, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    We are spending too much time blaming the captain. The openers are doing all the hard work but the others that follow are missing in action. Chanderpaul cannot carry the tail. He does not take command. He bats one way all the time.

  • on December 14, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    I agree with the comment earlier about WI needing advance technology in order to improve their technical skills. True that time for the WI board to step up and spend their money wisely. In these modern cricketing ages. Practical and technical skills r needed. Nearly every player gets out in the same fashion and or cannot out the the same batsman. Twas Rohit Sharma/Mohammad Shami in India. Now in NZ it's Ross and whoever else. Object lesson?? They r not doing their home work thoroughly whether bowling or batting. Any win on WI side is pure luck! Don't bet on a losing side!

  • decaby on December 14, 2013, 10:34 GMT

    Otis needs to face reality... La La land isnt going to win WI games... Sammy and Otis needs to shut up... WI dont bowl in partnerships nor bat in any... WKts tumble right after the another... Tino isnt a leader for the attack nor is shannon... WI needed experienced bowlers

  • livewire2012 on December 14, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    I wonder why you people belly aching over West Indies Woeful showing..have you guys been checking the statistic of these batters and bowlers..then if you do that then you would know why WI has been loosing..The Caribbean team is simple a first class cricket team and not a test team.Mr Gibson you cannot "man up" without ability.

  • AltafPatel on December 14, 2013, 10:17 GMT

    First WI need to send Chandrapaul and Ramdin on top order. And include Darren Bravo, Sunil Narine and Sarwan. New comers will not learn until they see experience playing and that on their top.

  • on December 14, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    Gibson could have had better bowling options if the selectors picked a better squad. Mainly Sammy shouldn;t be in the team. Gabriel has not been bowling well for Trinidad in domestic cricket, since the January 2013 Caribbean T20. He was below par in the Regional super50 & caribbean premier league. So how the selectors picked him for this & the previous India tour is the zenith of foolishness. Jason Holder should have been picked hands down.

    Not sure why 3 spinners are on tour either - Perma - Why is he there? - another young inform fast bowler like Miguel Cummins or Delorn Johnson should have been in the squad.

    Then of course Ravi Rampaul is back playin ODIs. With roach out - he is the senior bowler and should be in the test team. Only excuse for not picking him is maybe the selectors think his body is 100% ready for tests. But you can never tell with those windies selectors with their spurious reasoning in the general.

  • SNIFFLEATHER on December 14, 2013, 9:54 GMT

    Warm_coffee,

    Roach is injured, Narine is in the squad - may be selected for the third and final test, Russell is sadly considered a shorter "junk cricket" format player, Rampaul is at home probably not working o his fitness - as usual, Fidel Edwards is beyond doubt not in the frame - and rightly so due to his many opportunities and limited production, Bishoo is another sadly out of the reckoning. If you wish to list bowlers who should be in the squad, forget Fidel Edwards and co. Young players such as Miguel Cummins, Delorn Johnson and Jason Holder (once the young man's pace increases), should all be well ahead of those tried many times before.

  • abc_akram on December 14, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    The West Indies team is facing serious problems be it in bowling,batting or fielding. The biggest problem is their batting, i opine. Ever since Greenidge and Haynes left the scene, Windies have yet to find a reliable pair of openers. Chris Gayle though a good opener is not being consistent these days in tests or one-days, and moreover he doesn't have a good partner.There r problems in the middle order too. Darren Bravo though played an excellent innings against NZ but such occasional innings are not enough for u'r team in tests or one dayers. And most baffling is the WICB selection policy as some of the people have rightly pointed out. When Ravi Rampaul was fit for India one days why was he not picked for NZ tests though the time gap between these two series was hardly a few days/week. And where is Jerome Taylor he is such a fine bowler. These two could have made o lot of difference especially in the tests.And a lotof pride should be there that u'r playing for u'r country likeearlier.

  • on December 14, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    I agree with Karuna. Windies have to stop obsessing with Danesh Ramdin. It's time to move on.

  • BRUTALANALYST on December 14, 2013, 9:23 GMT

    I think this is again delusional it's not that they need to "man up" or show "lack of fight" No the reality is far worse ! You bet they're actually trying their hardest they just don't have the technical skills or talent in every department this W,I side wouldn't beat any County cricket or Aussie state side. It's no coincidence the rise of hi-tech facilities coaching academies and technology of the modern game in most Countries has coincided with the downfall of W.I cricket who don't have these. When are people going to acknowledge it's a very different game these days any weakness is exposed with slowmo HD cameras you have to be drilled like soldiers to survive the modern game which is why W.I's mercenaries only chance is at a T20 ambush. The love of the game hasn't died either the CPL crowds were jam packed W.I just don't have the facilities or domestic foundation to raise modern warriors to succeed in the battle or even survive the demands of the modern longer forma.

  • on December 14, 2013, 9:16 GMT

    Test Teams are built around bowling attacks which is capable of picking 20 wickets. This WI doesnt look like picking even 10 wickets in the whole Test match. Their main problem is their captain , whose role is questionable in the side. Definitely , he doesnt look like a front line bowler , who can pick 3,4 wickets consistently. They need to seriously think about the balance of the side. Given that the third test starts next week , they need to consider Sammy as a middle order batsman and make him accountable as a batsman. If he fails as a batsman , drop him. There is no point in playing some one who can bat a bit , bowl a bit and field a bit in Tests. As a long term option , they should consider Dwayne Bravo to replace Sammy in Tests.

  • on December 14, 2013, 9:11 GMT

    "We've always been a nation of fighters" - Coach Gibson

    West Indies is a nation???

  • Warm_Coffee on December 14, 2013, 9:06 GMT

    Well from what I read especially in terms of selection and body language recently, Windies just seem disinterested in tests. Their bowling attack in this test series is simply a surprise. Main bowlers they went with Best and Gabriel? where on earth are the likes of Roach, Rampaul, Edwards, Narine, Bishoo and Russell?

  • BRUTALANALYST on December 14, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    I think this is again delusional it's not that they need to "man up" or show "lack of fight" No the reality is far worse ! You bet they're actually trying their hardest they just don't have the technical skills or talent in every department this W,I side wouldn't beat any County cricket or Aussie state side. It's no coincidence the rise of hi-tech facilities coaching academies and technology of the modern game in most Countries has coincided with the downfall of W.I cricket who don't have these. When are people going to acknowledge it's a very different game these days any weakness is exposed with slowmo HD cameras you have to be drilled like soldiers to survive the modern game which is why W.I's mercenaries only chance is at a T20 ambush. The love of the game hasn't died either the CPL crowds were jam packed W.I just don't have the facilities or domestic foundation to raise modern warriors to succeed in the battle or even survive the demands of the modern longer format game.

  • jimbond on December 14, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    This is fine, but who will manage to use the required harsh words against a certain Mr Gibson, and another Mr Hunte?

  • antiindia on December 14, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    im fed up with this west indies side

  • mihir_nam on December 14, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    Well Coach but why are u sending Mr Chanderpaul so down the order why can't he come at no 4.

  • Nutcutlet on December 14, 2013, 6:45 GMT

    The rest of the world misses & mourns the eclipse of West Indian cricket. Somewhere along the line, maybe fifteen years ago, the conveyor-belt stopped. It points to a systemic failure in organisation. There is no crop if there is no attention to sewing & the tending of young shoots. And there is absolutely no doubt that the board must be held accountable. Cricket in the Caribbean obviously has to compete with other sports, but the same is true the world over in major cricketing countries, with the possible exception of the sub-continent. It must be flagged up as an attractive & lucarative career. Facilities must be provided & coaches at school & college level, properly monitored within each nation. Young players need mentors, etc. These things cannot be happening to any significant extent, because if they were, the fruits of those labours would become evident on the Test playing arenas of the world. Success begets success. Inter-island rivalry has no place in this. That's reactionary.

  • on December 14, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    after rain escape i thought they show fighting spirit but windies really played bad cricket...drop ramdin take reserve wicketkeeper...dont darren bravo with brain lara...if bravo can reach greame smith or cook will be good for windies...braithewaite needed instead of samuels

  • on December 14, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    Now its time to show some attitude, West indian batsmen need to change their 20 twenty approach and try to stay on crease.

    Shayan Rehmani

  • on December 14, 2013, 5:51 GMT

    Good to see the coach has identified some of the problems. Definitely, the fighting spirit is needed if they going to avert a series loss.

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  • on December 14, 2013, 5:51 GMT

    Good to see the coach has identified some of the problems. Definitely, the fighting spirit is needed if they going to avert a series loss.

  • on December 14, 2013, 5:59 GMT

    Now its time to show some attitude, West indian batsmen need to change their 20 twenty approach and try to stay on crease.

    Shayan Rehmani

  • on December 14, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    after rain escape i thought they show fighting spirit but windies really played bad cricket...drop ramdin take reserve wicketkeeper...dont darren bravo with brain lara...if bravo can reach greame smith or cook will be good for windies...braithewaite needed instead of samuels

  • Nutcutlet on December 14, 2013, 6:45 GMT

    The rest of the world misses & mourns the eclipse of West Indian cricket. Somewhere along the line, maybe fifteen years ago, the conveyor-belt stopped. It points to a systemic failure in organisation. There is no crop if there is no attention to sewing & the tending of young shoots. And there is absolutely no doubt that the board must be held accountable. Cricket in the Caribbean obviously has to compete with other sports, but the same is true the world over in major cricketing countries, with the possible exception of the sub-continent. It must be flagged up as an attractive & lucarative career. Facilities must be provided & coaches at school & college level, properly monitored within each nation. Young players need mentors, etc. These things cannot be happening to any significant extent, because if they were, the fruits of those labours would become evident on the Test playing arenas of the world. Success begets success. Inter-island rivalry has no place in this. That's reactionary.

  • mihir_nam on December 14, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    Well Coach but why are u sending Mr Chanderpaul so down the order why can't he come at no 4.

  • antiindia on December 14, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    im fed up with this west indies side

  • jimbond on December 14, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    This is fine, but who will manage to use the required harsh words against a certain Mr Gibson, and another Mr Hunte?

  • BRUTALANALYST on December 14, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    I think this is again delusional it's not that they need to "man up" or show "lack of fight" No the reality is far worse ! You bet they're actually trying their hardest they just don't have the technical skills or talent in every department this W,I side wouldn't beat any County cricket or Aussie state side. It's no coincidence the rise of hi-tech facilities coaching academies and technology of the modern game in most Countries has coincided with the downfall of W.I cricket who don't have these. When are people going to acknowledge it's a very different game these days any weakness is exposed with slowmo HD cameras you have to be drilled like soldiers to survive the modern game which is why W.I's mercenaries only chance is at a T20 ambush. The love of the game hasn't died either the CPL crowds were jam packed W.I just don't have the facilities or domestic foundation to raise modern warriors to succeed in the battle or even survive the demands of the modern longer format game.

  • Warm_Coffee on December 14, 2013, 9:06 GMT

    Well from what I read especially in terms of selection and body language recently, Windies just seem disinterested in tests. Their bowling attack in this test series is simply a surprise. Main bowlers they went with Best and Gabriel? where on earth are the likes of Roach, Rampaul, Edwards, Narine, Bishoo and Russell?

  • on December 14, 2013, 9:11 GMT

    "We've always been a nation of fighters" - Coach Gibson

    West Indies is a nation???