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NZC to conduct review into Bangladesh debacle

ESPNcricinfo staff

October 19, 2010

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Jesse Ryder strides forward to play the ball, Bangladesh v New Zealand, 3rd ODI, Mirpur, October 11, 2010
Jesse Ryder failed to perform in Bangladesh after making a comeback from injury © AFP

New Zealand captain Daniel Vettori, coach Mark Greatbatch and high performance director, Roger Mortimer, will meet with New Zealand Cricket's board on October 22 to review the disastrous ODI tour of Bangladesh, which ended in a 4-0 thrashing on Sunday. They are also expected to discuss their upcoming tour of India, for which the squad will be named on October 24, and their World Cup preparation, which is a shambles following an unprecedented defeat in Bangladesh, one of the host nations of the tournament in 2011.

The result plunged New Zealand to seventh in the ICC's ODI rankings, their lowest position since November 2005, but despite acknowledging the gravity of the situation NZC's general manager of cricket, Geoff Allott, said changes to management were unlikely to happen. "It's important that we remain confident in the people we have," he told the Dominion Post. "We've committed to a structure, and we'll be assessed by those decisions."

New Zealand's trip to Bangladesh was marred by poor weather and rain washed out their warm-up games, forcing the visitors to go into the ODI series with no match practice. Their batsmen struggled to adjust to the pace and turn of the pitches in Mirpur and failed to score more than 200 in three out of four innings.

"Disappointing is an understatement. When you lose 4-0 in a country you're going to be playing a World Cup match, then it's a big concern," Allott said. "From a fitness perspective, and a technical perspective, we've got the goods, it's actually the decision-making. Throughout the series there were cross-bat shots. Some senior players would be the first to put their hands up and say they didn't lead by example."

Kane Williamson scored New Zealand's only century in the series, while Ross Taylor, Brendon McCullum, who averaged only 21.50, and Grant Elliott were the only batsmen to score a half-century each. Jesse Ryder was one of the biggest disappointments, scoring 58 runs in three innings at an average of 19.33, while BJ Watling played all four games but scraped together 27 at 6.75.

After the series, Vettori had said it was "probably the lowest point in New Zealand cricket for a long, long time. To stare down 4-0 is incredibly disappointing and something that will stay with us. We have to recover from it pretty quickly, otherwise people will be pretty desolate about New Zealand cricket."

Former New Zealand fast bowler, Simon Doull, was scathing in his criticism of the team. Doull said that Vettori, who bears the burden of leading the bowling and being a reliable batsman to go with his captaincy duties, was not getting any help from the other senior members of the team.

"He [Vettori] is under pressure and I'm not sure he's coping with it all that well," Doull told LiveSPORT. "I can't see any answers. We're going into a World Cup in two and a half months and if we think we're going to be anywhere near the top eight we're dreaming at the moment. They could turn it around but it's going to take a miracle."

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Posted by bc1992 on (October 21, 2010, 22:53 GMT)

@Andrew Simoes, if facts are what you are after, you may be interested in this link It details the day that England slipped to the bottom of the World Test Rankings. Oh, and it was New Zealand that delivered the blow that sent them there, by winning the fourth test at the Oval and subsequently winning the series 2-1. Happy reading, sunshine

Posted by Bass_Man on (October 21, 2010, 11:51 GMT)

What a performance by Bangladesh simply BRILLIANT! But it wasnt easy.

However, the Kiwis have been great competitors. Last 2 matches could have gone either way. 1st match they were quite unlucky that D/L didnt go in their favour.

But there downfall was that they didnt accustom themselves with the pitches and were taken back with the precision fielding of Bangladesh.

Bangladesh need to replace some batsman Shahrear Nafess, Rqaibul and maybe Junaeed.

Posted by   on (October 21, 2010, 9:28 GMT)

To all Bangladesh supporters: Seriously, why do you still want Ashraful in your side? He's hopeless and past his use by date. The Bangladesh side is better off without him and his rush of blood decision making that so often costs him his wicket just as he is making a start. Bangladesh is finally moving on without him, and they are all the better for it. If he had been in the side, Bangladesh may very well have tied or lost the series. Seriously, he's that much of a waste of space now.

Posted by   on (October 21, 2010, 6:45 GMT)

BD is now ready for anything......Just till Tamim Iqbal, Mashrafee Murtaza, Md. Ashraful, Aftab Ahmed, Sayeed Rasel & Alok Kapali returns to the side.... it will be an invincible team.

THE WC SUAD OF BD: Tamim, Nafis, Alok, Ashraful, Sakib, Mushfik, Mahmudullah, Shuvo, Mashrafee, rubel, shafiul, juned, najmul, naeem, raseel, aftab.

Posted by   on (October 21, 2010, 6:31 GMT)

@James , I quote Just over a decade ago in the late 90s the same argument could have been made for England and India, both poorly performing teams. England were in fact ranked last at one point irrc. When the English team was at it's worst , as you so kindly put it ( in the late 1990s) , we were still better than New Zealand . Check this link , sunshine , proper stats and not tall claims :;opposition=1;spanmax1=27+Mar+2000;spanmin1=10+Jan+1996;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

@mike5181 : Australia and England will never let cricket become a 'purely subcontinental game' . Even if NZ and WI want to go that way.

Posted by   on (October 21, 2010, 4:16 GMT)

@ Zeeshan Arshad: "...taken the sheen of the "Banglawash" which was the David vs Goliath series of the decade" Really? When we had: Kane Williamson, total ODIs coming in to the series: 3, Andy McKay, total ODIs pre-series: 7, BJ Watling: 3 Hamish Bennett: debut Shannan Stewart: 2 NL McCullum: 6

Man with a side as experienced as ours, we must have been quite the GOLIATH!!!1!

Joking aside, congrats to Bangladesh. Really good to see you guys improving so much, I reckon you'll be a handful to most sides in the WC. Onto our Black Caps though, what is going on with Kyle Mills?!? Is he turning Australian or something? He's trying to get mouthy at batsmen when they hit him for boundaries, dude when you only bowl 130km/h you aren't threatening anyone, hell even I can bowl that speed and I only play club cricket. If we win the spirit of cricket award while our bowlers act like Mills, then the other teams must really be a bunch of ***** to miss out...

Posted by   on (October 20, 2010, 21:10 GMT)

Well, this is alarming ... come on guyz accept the fact that BD BOYZ have improved a lot in the last 5 yrs and now they can at least fight head to head in there home ground and they have been doing it for the last couple of yrs; and as this very young team (averaging only 23) gets matured and experienced i believe that they would be considered as a threat to all cricketing nations. And NZ just had a bad series and that's all. I don't know why ppl r shouting so much on them ... they were simply a bit inexperienced and got unlucky ... all the matches were very close except for the 3rd one ... have any of the senior batsmen in NZ could stand his ground the score might have been the exact opposite with BD giving a good fight but losing in the end ... The only problem in this very squad i saw was not to adapt quickly in the situation the match was in ... And if they can fix this problem and gain some hope on themselves i see a very good fight ahead with India ... GO NZ ... BDBOYZ_fan out!!!

Posted by mike5181 on (October 20, 2010, 10:08 GMT)

@LeftBrain- Get out of town lol you are crazy. Look NZ is bad atm, but over the last 15 years we have been constantly comepetitive especially in the ODI format with players like Fleming, Astle, Cairns, Craig M, Bond all world class on their day...and yes they cleaned the clock of PAK/IND/SRI/BANG a decent amount of times..with 4 million people we have passion overflowing, you cant question that, we are a fighting, passionate sporting nation and we respect the opposition we Vettori and co did in this series with Bangladesh who played world-class in this series..maybe you should take a lesson from Vettori.

Posted by gidza on (October 20, 2010, 8:40 GMT)

i think our team Zimbabwe did very well againist SA although we lost the oppening two matches. the batting dept was especially better compared to previous games we have played. the bowling dept is letting us down. ifbangaladesh can humiliate N Zealand Zimbabwe can win two or three is they play that side

Posted by   on (October 20, 2010, 8:24 GMT)

@GuptaAnkur although the West Indies are pathetic, the kiwis are a much better team than what the scoreline suggests. Remember they are good enough to reach the semifinals of almost all the recent ICC events, which even our team could not accomplish

Posted by WJ87 on (October 20, 2010, 8:07 GMT)

Guptill, Ryder, Taylor, Styris, Williamson, McCullum, Vetorri, Franklin, Mills, Southee, McKay.

Posted by WJ87 on (October 20, 2010, 8:04 GMT)

Good to see that McCullum might be moving back down the order. This is what I would like the ODI team to look like: Guptill, Ryder, Taylor, Styris, Williamson, B. McCullum, Vettori, Franklin, Mills, Southee, McKay. 12man N. McCullum

Posted by flyingmachinee on (October 20, 2010, 5:32 GMT)

@gupta........NZ is better team than WI........NZ has just lost the oneday series n y u talkin abt test status????Im sure NZ team can beat any test team in the world on there day.......gve credit to bangladeshis they played better oneday sure we all know nz wll bounce back b4 the worldcup.....u cant review there test status just bcoz they lost a oneday series????most of there players r not in form and there youngsters r inexperianced in asian pitches n conditions just gve them time they wll prove thmselves..............

Posted by   on (October 20, 2010, 5:22 GMT)

come world cup time i'll stiill back new zealand to make the semis, especially considering the format of the wc.

Posted by   on (October 20, 2010, 4:58 GMT)

Our team (Bangladesh) has improved and will continue to improve. Think about BD 5 years ago, and then 5 years before that. I am not sure why that's a surprise for a lot of you. NZ is without doubt a very strong team even now, they couldn't adjust to the conditions in time and that can happen to any team. Instead of adding pressure do what BD did - take lessons on how the sub cont pitches work, pick the right players for those conditions, practice hard and prepare for the world cup. The board calling Vetori, Greatbatch only adds to taking away more confidence from players.

Posted by smanzur on (October 20, 2010, 4:38 GMT)


Posted by   on (October 20, 2010, 3:37 GMT)

Gupta: You're a pathetic individual who has nothing constructive to say other than dismissing WI and NZ. Just over a decade ago in the late 90s the same argument could have been made for England and India, both poorly performing teams. England were in fact ranked last at one point irrc. India couldn't even buy a win against NZ in test match cricket, with India getting manhandled by NZ in NZ and then drawing the test series in 03 in India on the pitches that resembled ashpalt roads rather than a cricket wicket. And need I not remind you that the WI have a vastly superior test record than India and probably will for a very long time. They've produced as many great cricketing names as India, perhaps even more. Maybe learn how to run a Commonwealth games before you try to restructure world cricket.

Posted by   on (October 20, 2010, 2:44 GMT)

New zealand is an experienced team they should not give excuses about conditions and adjustments they have been coming to play in Bangladesh for some time now they have played in sub continental conditions already , there is nothing wrong with the new zealand team its BD who played well.

Posted by mike5181 on (October 20, 2010, 1:21 GMT)

1.McCullum 2.Rhyder 3. How/Flynn 4.Taylor 5.Williamson 6.Styris 7.Franklin 8.Oram 9.Vettori 10.Mills 11. Mckay/Bennett- thats the only team i can see doing some serious damage out there. I moved Vettori down to 9 because he is useless when it comes to ODI batting and quite frankly bowling as well....hes always ever only been a economical bowler not a wicket taker...the dude has only like 20 more wickets than games hes played...personally Styris should be captain as well, he has that fighting quality thats been missing in this series..To many stupid players, these guys are literally twice the size of the bangladeshi "kids" and yet they still cant beat them...Shakib is mean due...and Tamim even though he wasnt playing...but cricket doesnt look good at the moment, if NZ, AUS and WI keep falling down the chain, the game just becomes a sub continant one not really a world wide sport, and it might lose a bit of credibility, 30 overs of spin in an ODI like thank

Posted by bc1992 on (October 20, 2010, 0:10 GMT)

Gupta.Ankur - relax man, the ICC has plenty of bigger things to worry about than the recent poor performances of WI and NZ. Yes, NZ have played badly. Yes, there are no excuses. Yes, Bangladesh played really well, deserved to win and never ALLOWED NZ play well (which by the way, is what marks this recent development in their game which is now allowing them to win matches). But to suggest that NZ and WI should lose their test status is a knee jerk reaction that does no-one any favours. And I wouldnt be crowing too much about disposing of the Aussies, England are not the greatest side around either and they will probably make short work of that ageing Aussie team in the Ashes. Oh, and how many world class batsmen does India have below that top tier of Tendulkar/Laxman/Dravid etc? Hope they dont all retire at once, when Lillee, Chappell and Marsh all went at the same time, that consigned Australia to the ranks of the also-rans for nearly a decade....I'm just saying, is all......

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 23:51 GMT)

i was underthe impression late last year that the problem was the previous coach? Perhaps the team amd management at that time were more interested in finding a scape goat for their own failings. That situation has now come home to roost. Change the management is now a must, if NZ cricket is to get back on track.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 23:37 GMT)

After the defeat of NZ, many r behaving as if the world is fallen apart. But NZ was beaten in one match in the previous tour of BD as well, and the other matches had been closely contested. This time BD could convert the close matches in their favour, may be bcoz of increased level of confidence.. just a few months ago BD beat England on thier own soil. Although NZ lost 4 matches, 3 of them were only 1 or two shots away from victory ( 9 runs, 9 runs and 3 runs).

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 21:54 GMT)

first of all again congrates to BANGLADESH... just keep on roaring tigers... now the NZ point. you newzealanders are getting too much dissapointed. u should know that this NZ team was in no 2 spot in the ICC ODI ranking. they have all the capabilities to bounce back. I believe it could be very much possible in the upcoming series against INDIA. @NZ supporters... if you are getting so much frustrated due to loss to the team like Bangladesh then I should say its wrong. Coz why only NZ, BD can now beat any team in the world. I personally like NZ cricket a lot. Just cheer up newzealanders. make cricket your no 1 sport. NZ cricket will overcome.

Posted by 9ST9 on (October 19, 2010, 21:49 GMT)

theres no reason for new zealand , last years champions trophy semi-finalists and many times world cup semi finalists to worry. their form has always been patchy but their world cup record is quite good. Semi finals 2007, 2nd Round 2003, Semis 1999 and a decent run in the champions trophy Semi's in 2009 and 2006[in india] expect the likes of Styris to return and add solidarity to the middle order. There are a few sides that struggle in alien conditions thrive in familiar conditions and do well in global tournaments. NZ is one of them

Posted by gmaurup on (October 19, 2010, 20:53 GMT)

I think there is no need to change a lot of stuff. This NZ team is a little inexperienced to take the lefties after the experienced top oder (mccullum mainly )showed some sort of indifference and vettory failed to give the batting performance from last tour. Last tour also NZ was in trouble after losing the first one and scoring only 220 in the second. The ever fragile BD batting gave them the series as Vettory was the savior in the two tests and two ODIs as I remember. Desppite a lot if improvement, BD batting showd same poor show in 3 matches but NZ could not pull out. Srilanka only could win a triseries final in BD against BD after muralitharan(!) scored 30+ runs from last two overs, England survived a scare in the ODI as Eoin Morgan stood strong (and BD is still vocal about umpiring), the star studded India batting also suffered here. It was a matter of time BD gets success on home soil. Good luck NZ in India, just a little tweak here and there and you will be back. Congrats BD.

Posted by Bengali-Tiger007 on (October 19, 2010, 20:42 GMT)

I just want to say that I've read most of the comments here and I am disgusted with some of the negativity towards the Kiwis as they have a handful of superstars in their squad. However, I am dissapointed with their management, bcoz they fluffed organising this tour. When England toured Bangladesh, they were smart enough to request BCB to lend their domestic standard left arm spinners to help with their training during indoor net practices. Especially KP, with his poor record of facing left arm spinners. My question is, why couldn't NCB do the same??? Its not that BCB will ever refuse such requests, as they have hundreds of spare spin bowlers ready at their disposal throughout the whole country. You can't blame the poor tour result on lack of practice matches, coz that is nonsense and they have no rights to discipline the Kiwi players as well, as they did nothing to help with preparations prior to the 1st ODI. Hope they have learnt something and prepare for Indian tour. Welldone BD!!!

Posted by on (October 19, 2010, 20:36 GMT)

No doubt that NZL was outplayed by Bangladesh in the series. But one cannot avoid the lack of seriousness in NZL cricket board. They left the experienced Macintosh, How, Guptil, Cris Martin and James Franklin at home which is still unclear. In stead they went with a young batting line up with only Taylor, McCulum and Ryder being experienced and Vettori the all rounder. So, once there plan A failed then they had no plan B to overcome the situation and their young batting lineup repeatedly succumbed to the quality spin bowling except last match where pace bowlers did the job for BD. So, all the negative factors accumulated for NZL failure: BD played good and hard game, NZL had no plan B and young batters failed to cope with the task. Finally, we have to accept the fact that BD has moved up significantly.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 20:29 GMT)

Ryder Guptill Williamson Styris Taylor McCullum Vettori Franklin Oram/Anderson/Bracewell Mills Southey

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 20:25 GMT)

Ryder Guptill Williamson Styris Taylor McCullum Vettori Franklin Oram/Anderson/Bracewell Mills Southey

Posted by 512fm on (October 19, 2010, 19:56 GMT)

I wouldn't say cricket is dying here its a summer sport can you can play both cricket in summer and rugby in winter. There is no doubt Bangladesh improved but I think no matter how much better they are we should still be beating them.

Posted by kryon on (October 19, 2010, 19:45 GMT)

Bangladesh at home is a formidable side...Even England had a tough time winning.Had it not been for some dubious umpiring and Ervin Morgans resistance Bangladesh would have surely won the series.Now in this series Bd didn't have tamim and frontline bowlers like Mashrafee and nazmul.Nz didnt have Oram and Styris.Bd made mistakes like not reaching 270 in the 3rd ODI when they were 180/5 in 35th over,their middle order seldom clicked and they couldnt complete the full 50 ovrs.And so did NZ.Differnce was NZ made more mistakes thn Bd and there was Sakib Al hasan for Bd and none for NZ.the only reason NZ cricket is dying is because they dont have the passion for cricket.Going to ground,lying on the grass,drinking beer,and often clapping on good shots played or wickets taken wont help NZ.100,000 cricket fans thronged to the Mirpur stadium just to see the last ODI.Unfortunately there was only 18000 seats available.Thats what passion for cricket is all about.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 19:14 GMT)

First congrats to Bangladesh team. They have played much better cricket then new zealand. New zealand have to improve a lot to do better in worldcup. There are not much time. So they should work harder. I hope they will come back soon. And to tigers- Keep Going ON. Show the world what we are. Long live to tigers.

Posted by raydarblade on (October 19, 2010, 18:43 GMT)

We lost, badly. But don't run for the hills I still have faith in our boys and i'm still looking forward to the world cup. There were a few reasons we lost this series. In my view we lost because we had no practice games, and little or no time to practice outside in the local conditions. We had a few 'new' members in the team who might just need a bit of help and a few more games under their belt. We had a few guys returning from injury too, although we might have expected slightly better returning form. Also our opposition was not an easy side to beat any more, Bangladesh are now a top class team. Put all this together, throw in some bad batting decisions that some of our more experienced players made, and you have a 4-0 loss. Dissapointing, but for me not demoralizing. With Kane Williamson showing some promise, and Grant Elliot back and bowling, we have potential to bounce back. I would ask why we would not play Gareth Hopkins and let BJ Watling have some time back at domestic level?

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 18:31 GMT)

what a successful series by bangladesh.........

Posted by Rajib711 on (October 19, 2010, 18:09 GMT)

They could consider first two ODIs as warm up (!!) then could have won last two...... but they lost all four. So there could not be any excuse for weather or practice match.

Posted by Nipun on (October 19, 2010, 17:35 GMT)

Spot on Murad !!!! I fully agree with you mate !!!!

Posted by cric_follower on (October 19, 2010, 17:22 GMT)

This was waiting to happen. Cricket is the numero uno sport in Bangaladesh. They will be difficult to beat at home. Other sissies like England will also find life difficult there in due time. However Bangladesh will reach a plateau very soon, like other subcontinent teams and it will take them decades to beat teams overseas.

Posted by dulabhai on (October 19, 2010, 17:17 GMT)

I agree, give credit where it's due. And please stop looking for excuses for New Zealand like the weather didn't help or they didn't have any practice.

Bangladesh won the series because they are improving and they played much better cricket than New Zealand in every match. Period.

Posted by LeftBrain on (October 19, 2010, 17:12 GMT)

It isnt shocking or dis-appointing, at best NZ could have won 3-2 against this improved Bangladesh side, Any body who expected NZ to play "quality cricket" should get himslef treated for mental dis-order. NZ is a bad side who lacks talent big time, and failed to produce a single world class player in their history of almost 100 years except Richard Hadlee, one can argue for Martin Crowe but thats make it two in 100 years. A team with out talent, with out experience, with out passion and with out focus can only perform like this.

Since beginning, NZ is always at the bottom of the ranks. Ind/Pak/SL/WI started after them and are far better teams then NZ, produced 100 times more quality players then NZ and contribute more towards promotion of the game.

In order to improve NZ need some experience, and the only way they can compete equally with international teams and gain some experience is they start playing Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Kenya and Ireland every year.

Posted by smanzur on (October 19, 2010, 17:01 GMT)


Posted by tanstell87 on (October 19, 2010, 16:54 GMT)

Jacob Oram & Scott Styris the two experienced players were out due to happens...most of the NZ players were playing in Bangladesh for first time...besides Bangladesh played 6 spinners...on slow low wickets,it was difficult to score against off series for an Indian fan i would wish Kiwis will play hard cricket...Brendon McCullum & Jesse Ryder should fire big time...Guptill looked promising..but threw his opportunities...Good Luck Kiwis...give India run for their money !!

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 16:46 GMT)


I don't get it....................with Tamim injured,and experienced bowlers Nazmul and Mashrafe injured.............. !!HOW THE HELL DID BANGLADESH WHITEWASH THE BLACK CAPS!! ? 4-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Answer : The Tigers showed DETERMINATION and worked their a$$ out to thrash the Kiwis 4-0..........I saw the last match at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium on Sunday and the whole match was a roller coaster ride with wicked twists and turns...............Bangladesh 174 all out.................................New Zealand 20-5...................I thought that NZ was gonna go for 40..but Vettori,Elliot,and Mills played well to make Bangladesh work hard to win the series finale.............and when Rubel bowled the leg stump of Kyle Mills.......................the whole stadium roared..........................for the first time,the roar of the TIGERS could be heard in all the cricket loving nations in this world.

Posted by Haider_Ahmad on (October 19, 2010, 16:22 GMT)

As a Bangladeshi supporter the series was awesome. No doubt our cricket has improved a lot enough to beat the top teams in a regular basis. But i confess that we have to improve our batting(specially middle order). Beating NZ 4-0 is really very difficult job wherever you are playing and it is impossible without brillant cricket. I think condition made NZ's task difficult but it can't be a mejor reason for 4-0. I was surprised not to see Fulton and Guptil in the squad. The newcomers of NZ have to work on their batting specially for sub-continent conditions. williamson is very promising and surely be the next star of NZ. No doubt they will bounce back. Good luck for the India tour. Hoping to see Oram & Styris back into the team after injury.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 16:07 GMT)

you must give credit to Bangladeshi cricketers for their fighting spirit They deserve it.,

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 15:45 GMT)

I am a BD fan and proud of my teaming winning it's good to know our boys can out play any team at this moment. But as a tiger fan ... I was disppointed the performance of Middle order bats man ...if they continue perform like that and not competely utilizing the batting power play...hope for WC will fly away... NZ is good; I think they were victim of slow pitch, spinn and Shakib performance. I also think ...perhappes NZ was lil over confident about their ability to beat team like BD...Vettori was only scared about Shakib but wasn't aware of other spinner sand bats men...mischief of him ...but NZ has ability to bounce back at WC..good luck to BD and NZ!

Posted by krik.lover on (October 19, 2010, 15:44 GMT)

Surely a great performance by Bang.! Advantages: At home, full package of spinners for suitable pitches, underdogs. I believe that NZL had oversighted these adv. and faced them reluctantly. NZL are not this worse of playing in sub continent. A great player will never think the opponent a weak but must think strong and himself think more stronger. Because NZL would have atleast won a single game after 2-0 when shakib proudly stated for 4-0. Cricket is always a mind game.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (October 19, 2010, 15:44 GMT)

It will be in everyone's favour if ICC reviews status of WI and esp NZ for tests.....They are pathetic teams with no future in the game.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 15:35 GMT)

This is not about NZ doing so poorly but about how dangerous this young BD team can be, especially at home. They are arguably the best spin team in the world today, one of the youngest teams at an average age of 23, world #1 all-rounder Shakib, an opener by the name of Tamim who is a carbon copy of Sewag, 2 all rounders in their line up (Shakib and Mahmadullah), batsmen such as Rahim, Junaid, Kayes and Nafees are starting to blossom. In their home field they can beat any time any time. BD needs to be consistent and that will come with experience for such a young team. Once they have that experience they will climb quickly in the ICC rankings. I feel bad for Vettori but no one is to blame but Bangladesh. We should not forget that BD played without Tamim and Mashrafe.

2011 WC should be a curtain raiser for BD to showcase its talent to the world.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 14:47 GMT)

Well, i think NZ thought too much about SHAKIB alone. Even though he was the best player for Bangladesh in the series, he took 11 wickets. Other bowlers lyk Rubel and Shuvo used their chances very very well as they crash NZ in two matches. The most improve i saw is in the fielding of BD. They simply outplayed NZ. And i dont think Vettori and McCullum shouldn't be out of NZ. They are proven match winners and sure will be in the future. Finally i just want to congratulate BD cricket players and stuffs who worked really hard and paid them off with with thrashing 4-0 win. Bangladesh is at last turning out to be the team we ppl of Bangladesh dreaming for a long time.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 14:42 GMT)

NZ was allowed to practice on the centre wicket of Mirpur stadium, a rare sort of facility offered to a visiting team in int'l cricket; they must acknowledge it.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 14:17 GMT)

Lets all give credit where credit is due Bangladesh played the better cricket and so they won. They are certainly a young team with a lot of potential,however my advice to NZ is to try to learn from their mistakes and try to put this miserable series behind them. India on the other hand should not take NZ lightly because we all know that they are a dangerous side and once they put everything together and click as unit they can beat anybody.

Posted by deadpanmike on (October 19, 2010, 13:51 GMT)

Poor performance no doubt.

However, I don´t think there panic and widespread changes are the answer either. I do think Jamie How deserves a shot a 3 given the sheer weight of runs he´s collected, at a good clip too, and maybe Jimmy Franklin too. also considering Dravid´s, among others, dislike of left armers, but otherwise, as critics have already noted, its down to technical flaws: ie: not playing straight enough, not being able to use feet to spinners, and dare I say it, mental weaknees. Elliot could have guided us home in that last game, while he got 50 his shot was very poor consdiering knocking it down the ground for four an over would have been enough. I would go: Ryder, MaCullum, How, Taylor, Williamson, Elliot, Vettori, Franklin, MaCullum, Mills, MackKay for the 1st game against India. Bat´s deep, 3 spinningh options, 3 pace options and part time of Ryder and Elliot which could be usual on low slow wickets. Probably won´t happen though.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 13:32 GMT)

Give credit where it's due. We have all been praying for Bangladesh to turn the corner and when they do instead, we seek for reasons why New Zealand did poorly. These comments do nothing to encourage Bangladesh to keep up their good work. Whether one likes it or not, Bangladesh forced New Zealand to make mistakes hence they lost the series. Did you see Rubel Hossain castling Kyle Mills? Those are mistakes that Bangladesh forced on New Zealand.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 13:06 GMT)

if all these comments are true, it is also true that bangladesh improve themself a lot. Still it was not their best performance as their senior players like Tamim,Masrafee are injured. Nz did not manage Sakib, how they manage Tamim. Thanks god, Tamim, masrafee and Ashraful did not play this series. Banglawash---------

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 12:34 GMT)

Bangladesh played better cricket than New Zealand. Best of luck for the upcoming matches Tigers!

Posted by mike5181 on (October 19, 2010, 12:27 GMT)

Lets see um, Ryder, Mccullum, Taylor are idiots..What is Watling, Elliot, Stewart and Nathan M even in the team for, seriously?...Vettori, Vettori, Vettori well the batting saviour huh?? dude you have batted at number six for a while now...average of 17...really.... anyway cricket is like our 3rd/4th sport...with 2 million men to choose from and 9/10 dont care about cricket is dieing in NZ...literally in primary school cricket is huge, the first eleven was serious, skillful, mature. Then gradually as we go to college 3/4 of the players get filtered out into concentrating on more serious the time we get to college first eleven the talent is a shadow of what it once was...we simply dont have the resources to compete with one billion indians and 160 million bangladeshis...not for a sustained amount of time anyway...but hey atleast we are number one in 3 international team sports; Rugby, netball and league...Bangladesh cant say that with 154 million more people!

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 12:26 GMT)

Bangladesh were a much better team psychologically. I think that's what made the difference. For many NZ player this was their first tour in Sub-continent. The extreme heat came as a shock to them. Besides, they do not have any quality spinner apart from Vettori. It's difficult to win in South Asian condition without very good set of spinners.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 12:12 GMT)

Reviewing the comments of others, it is clear that NZ Cricket has so many problems we don't know where to begin! I applaud this move, as there should be accountability (for a change) for such a dismal series. Allott is right in that wholesale changes shouldn't be the answer. At the same time however, the biggest problem with our boys is pride and attitude, and a lack of application. Senior players must be punished for this embarassment. Brendon McCullum (and his worthless brother) should be axed until he can once again prove his international credentials. I would rather a Franklin or a How that actually tries to go out and do the job for his country. There's no mistake, this tour is a black mark on our country's cricketing history, and something must be done.

Posted by -Murad- on (October 19, 2010, 12:02 GMT)

Bangladesh didn't get a single practice game last time they toured NZ. Bangladesh didn't complain about it when they performed poorly. How come the NZ complaining now? Cry babies!!!

Posted by zn264 on (October 19, 2010, 11:52 GMT)

Even after this poor series, New Zealand still has a quality side with world class players. Time and time again we done very very well in international competitions, whether we are making the finals or semis in most of the competitions over the past decade. Comments like we are the whipping boys, we don't tour enough, and will bomb out in Indian tour is just pure rubbish. We tour just as much as any other side (check the stats). Remember we beat this Indian side by 200 runs a few weeks back in an ODI, so get your head out of our a$$, every side has a bad tour, as long as we learn from our mistakes. Still love the Black Caps, hope you do us proud next month and the coming world cup! I can say, WELL DONE Bangladesh, well played.

Posted by Apache_Indian on (October 19, 2010, 11:51 GMT)

@ Gupta.Ankur .. Oh come on, don't be so harsh. Beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh is not a cakewalk now. Remember when we toured Bangladesh for Test series they gave us hard time ? Shahdat Hossain hit Dravid on helmet and picked 5 wicket haul. They even picked our 18 wickets in first test, I guess. And Rahim, Mahmudullah, Tamim etc. played good knocks. So this is NZ team which is not used to sub-continent conditions. If we keep questioning every team's test status then how many teams will left ? We can't afford to lose any team. It's just that B'Desh is NO more a weak team & NZ's batsmen are inexperienced (except a few) who are not used to sub-continent conditions. I'm 100% sure Dhoni will NOT take NZ lightly.

Posted by Dashgar on (October 19, 2010, 11:38 GMT)

All this talk of sack Vettori, sack Mills, sack McCullum, change everyones place in the order, change everyones playing role and get a new captain sounds very Pakistani to me. I say do the review, watch some tapes, work out the basic problems one at a time and recover. Wholesale changes of personel will not help NZ at all, there simply aren't the players to come in and replace them.

Posted by 12th_man on (October 19, 2010, 11:37 GMT)

Congratulations Bangladesh! They beat the best side NZ could put on the park. What I don't understand is why in NZ we have so many more injuries than anyone other country or at least we seem to. Bowlers such as Allott, O'Connor, Cairns, Bond, Oram, and Gillespie fell apart, Bond was 100% committed not sure about the others. As for the batsman we change the team too often and the players don't know their true roles. Those who did play regularly McMillan, Astle, Fleming, Styris, Cairns they have the worst rate of scoring hundreds of anyone in world cricket. It would be interesting to know how many players have played for NZ and their average career length and injury breaks. Then there's the issue of players choosing to only play ODIs and 20/20s, this would never happen anywhere else. NZ Cricket need to get a team or two in the Aussie competition to toughen our boys up and attempt to make them into men. Dan Vettori is a fine cricketer but can't do it alone. Crowe, Hadlee please help!

Posted by Apache_Indian on (October 19, 2010, 11:36 GMT)

NZ is one of my favorite teams. I'm sure they will bounce back ! Inclusion of Styris and Jacob Oram will strengthen their batting line-up & bowling too. Looking forward to the India Vs NZ Test series !

Posted by sammyoneboy on (October 19, 2010, 10:55 GMT)

Firstly, Well done Bangladesh. Now to the more depressing stuff. Firstly, I've read that McCullum likes opening because he feels that he can influence the game more from there and 'win matches'. An average of 28 tells its own depressing story. For goodness sake someone tell the man that there is a difference between 20/20 and the 50 over game. Is there a lack of faith in others to do the job? Since Jacob 'Sicknote' Oram is hardly around and NZ doesn't have a 'finisher' why not let McCullum come in at 5 or first wicket down after 30 overs. Older ball, batting powerplay at their disposal. Does this not make sense? Too many people believe the McCullum legend but the stats don't add up. And if Elliot is a batsmen / bowler (more in the side for his batting?) then what is he doing coming in lower than Vettori whose average is 16? On a different tack, NZ needs to examine why they are not producing cricketers who can make the step up to the national side.

Posted by sup_315 on (October 19, 2010, 10:54 GMT)

@nzcricket 174, no excuses mate, if you consider sakib -al-hasan. he is BD's main bowler/main batsman(tamim absent)/captain and evry thing. If he could crush New Zealand almost single handedly why couldnt NZ.

I agree 2 games were washed out, but 2 games they played where they lost. Rest two they could have won, but they couldnt even score 200 + runs in the last one!

I think NZ was moraly down after losing their 1st match.

Wish NZ all the best for WC, and Shakib is surely the player to watch out this WC

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 10:45 GMT)

@Andrew Simoes, Cricket is our number 4 sport, behind Rugby Union, Rugby League and now Soccer, as we have fallen in love with our All Whites team. Quite frankly NZ needs to develop this squad. Get rid of idiots like Jesse Ryder, Aaron Redmond, Shannan Stewart and sad to say BJ Watling too. Bring Jamie How back and Gareth Hopkins, and give Fulton a last hurrah before his body falls apart from the altitude it claims. Kane Williamson and Hamish Bennett look quite promising, Ross Taylor needs to stop hunting mid-wicket so often and the side needs to get back in the habit of playing by the skin of the teeth which they do best. If they can't get this sorted by the time the world cup comes around, they should ask their fans at home not to watch.

Posted by sammykent on (October 19, 2010, 10:43 GMT)

New Zealand need some changes. How has been in and out of the team and failed to perform at international level in the past. On the basis of his form in the CLT20 he needs to be brought back. He is a far better option than Redmond who is a Test batsman. The NZ squad should be: McCullum (WK), Ryder, How, Taylor, Williamson, Styris, Franklin/Oram, McCullum, Vettori, Mills, Tuffey (Elliott, Watling, Guptill, McKay). Oram and Styris are must haves but Ryder, Williamson and Elliott should be used a bit more as bowlers as their pace works well in the subcontinent. The fast guys may have taken some early wickets but they were expensive in Bangladesh. If NZ can dry up the runs with medium pace (an NZ specialty) then wickets will come.

Posted by sharif161 on (October 19, 2010, 10:31 GMT)

I think now Bangladesh is passing their best time. In every sector they are improving. Actually NZ, did not give fight with SHAKIB AL HASAN and his quick decision. Also he performed great in every match. Also feel sorry for the NZ team. but world cup is coming they should do this as early as possible because in this conditions they have to face some other top ranked teams. Best of luck BD and NZ in coming world cup.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 10:28 GMT)

I, personally, don't understand why NZ is even coming to tour India. After a 2-0 whitewash to the Aussies , what can a pathetic bowling attack expect to achieve against the most formidable batting line-up of the past 20 years. Four of these guys average over 50 and Laxman averages 48 and is the match-winner/finisher. What threat can NZ's insipid bowling pose? I predict three boring innings defeats with NZ unable to take 10 wickets any of the entire matches ; and then some horrendous play of spin bowling resulting in quick collapses. What a bad advert for Test cricket after a great series : Ind vs Aus.

Posted by Nipun on (October 19, 2010, 10:19 GMT)

This is not the 1st time New Zealand has been whitewashed in a ODI series,isn't it ? This is not the 1st time Bangladesh has whitewashed their opposition in a ODI series,isn't it ? What's the big fuss over losing 4-0 to Bangladesh then ? Bangladesh is a test nation too-do you lot keep on forgetting this important fact all the time ?

Posted by Meety on (October 19, 2010, 10:12 GMT)

Its dissappointing to see that most comments are not acknowledging that the Bangars are improving & whilst they can't be considered a genuine contender to win the WC, if they continue to gel as a team they will be tough to beat. People rightly praise Shakib, but the Bangars have another very good allrounder in Mahmudullah. This means that the Bangars can go into games with 4 spinners on sub-continent pitches, they will be a big chance to knock the top sides off. I thought NZ would this series 3-2, I am shocked they didn't win a game, I know there preparation wasn't good & they had some injuries. A full strength NZ side is still very capable of beating anyone anywhere.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 9:47 GMT)

NZ had three match practices before the fourth one!

Posted by nzcricket174 on (October 19, 2010, 9:29 GMT)

You could easily say "hats off to Bangladesh", but really, a lot of the time it was New Zealand NOT Bangladesh forcing errors - errors upon themselves. Daniel Vettori has too many roles - he leads a bowling attack, steadies the middle order, captains the team, he is a selector and a coach. You know things have gone too far when someone is a player/captain/coach/selector.

The thing that did New Zealand over were the conditions. They never adjusted to them. It was extremely obvious in the first ODI that New Zealand were struggling. You would have thought that after one or two games they would know what they were up against.

I'm glad Simon Doull wasn't over the commentating. Not because he isn't good, just because he would point out everything that is wrong (even though he is right).

Sorry New Zealand, we'll have to do better next time. Even after this, India won't treat us as underdogs.

Posted by mahiiiiii on (October 19, 2010, 9:10 GMT) didnt play bad just dat bde played more gud cricket dan dem.........

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 8:59 GMT)

Vettori has to drop the captaincy, he is overly defensive and completely lacks imagination. There is no way he is an international number 6 batsman and his clear bias in selection matters is concerning.

Give Taylor the captaincy and drop him back down to number 4 where he belongs, move Kane Williamson up to his preferred number 3 slot, either shift B McCullum back down to 7 where he belongs or drop him until he learns how to play more than one decent knock every third series at the top of the order and get either Martin Guptill or BJ Watling to open considering both are domestic openers in the one day game. Get rid of Elliot once Styris is back as he is not of international quality.

That's not even looking at the bowlers - every single pace bowler in the team barring young Bennett have been horrendous, including the "former ICC world number one ODI bowler" Kyle 'military medium pace' Mills, and Vettori was comprehensively out bowled by Shakib al Hasan.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 8:43 GMT)

Now I see why other people double up their comments. This isn't the first time a comment of mine has not been allowed for reasons I can't begin to understand...

Posted by amit1807kuwait on (October 19, 2010, 8:22 GMT)

We'll have to see if India play like the No. 1 team in the world and put their foot on the throats of the Kiwis now that they are down.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 8:12 GMT)

A Team like NZ should not blame that they didn't play the practice match. Why cant they consider the first two match as Practice and go on and win the next two.

Posted by SUNDOS on (October 19, 2010, 7:33 GMT)

Reviews are good.But should be done away from the glare of the media.The Kiwis, comijng out of their winter,playing Bangladesh at home,in alien conditions was a recipe for defeat.Too much censure could alienate the world class cricketers like Vettori,Tayloy.McCullum and Mills.Looking back at the BCCI for all their sins, showed wisdom,post the 2007 World Cup,they stood by India's cricketers and are now reaping the benefits of backing their stars.Now if only the great Hadlee, and Crowe,could inspire a few Kiwis to follow in their footsteps.

Posted by amclean on (October 19, 2010, 7:28 GMT)

With very limited batting resources, I find it astonishing that management is comfortable with Brendon McCullum becoming a part-time wicketkeeper in one-day cricket. It is difficult to see how this is in the best interests of the team. So it's very worrying that Geoff Allott's focus on decision-making is not going to include that of the management team.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 7:22 GMT)

NZ did it for the lulz. They want the world to have very low expectations of them, and they only let Kane Williamson show his hand, with the others told to make sure they had major doses of Fail For Great Justice. With all that done successfully, India will now expect to hammer us, but we'll show them that we can win one ODI while losing virtually everything else to further lower expectations. Then just as the Banhammer looks likely, we will finally allow the side to be unleashed in the World Cup for assured victory on the unsuspecting public. This is of course a complete lie, and only the most cynical would entertain such a notion. In reality, we plain and simply sucked it hard.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 7:18 GMT)

poor Vettori....his team was tormented by the Bangla spinners...

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 7:17 GMT)

New Zealand , please perk up . When it was only Aus, Eng, SA and NZ in the 1920s you guys were 4th. When WI joined , you went to 5th. India joins , you go to 6th. Pak joins and down to 7th. Then you move back up to 6th because SA gets banned. Then SRL joins, SA returns and you are back to your position as the worst team in the world , but this time at 8th. Now Bangladesh is coming of age and you guys are 9th. Come on administration, you were the 4th team to play intl cricket , why are you the perennial whipping boys in international cricket? Very soon Ireland, too will be better than you. And cricket is the no 2 sport in your country. Shameful.

Posted by Vivek.Bhandari on (October 19, 2010, 7:16 GMT)

We can see what acclimatizing to the local weather and conditions can do...the Kiwis failed in B'desh...I'm almost the expecting the same for the Indians in SA...:-/

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 6:59 GMT)

common nz world cup is just 4 months away and we have to win it?make shane bond as bowling caoch and bring in some batting coach from india!

Posted by fadms on (October 19, 2010, 6:48 GMT)

i really like the NZ team. Hope they will be able to recover from this defeat and move on. Wishing you all the best in the WC.

Posted by dravidfanatic on (October 19, 2010, 6:42 GMT)

How much can a single person handle???!!!!This reminds me of the team of zimbabwe once led by Taibu where he used to bat, keep and also bowl!!!! No wonders if Vett takes up keeping for the next series.C'mon him......

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (October 19, 2010, 6:41 GMT)

You will very soon see NZ pull out of Indian tour sighting security reasons..........anyway indians will be saved from playing a mediocre team....

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (October 19, 2010, 6:32 GMT)

I think ICC must look into the test status of this below-par team which is happy just playing in their backyard.

I think BCCI must scrap its series with NZ considering the poor quality of their side....

You don't win games by just playing a few matches at home................If NZ board want to do anything of credit, they must move out their cozy homes and play some tough series abroad.

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 6:22 GMT)

If you look at our performances apart from games against Pakistan in the last 2 years then we have been extremely poor.The yest win and ICC Trophy semi final win both against Pakistan should be discounted.It is apparent now that they were trying to lose Same can very probably be said forthe other ODI games against Pakistan.So without them how do we look. We say we are serious about doing well in India and Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.If so why have our players flown home? Why are we not for example playing practice games against Indian state sides? I also believe that our players need to be playing more for sub continent state sides to get better in those conditions and against quality spin bowling.The Bangladeshi spinners strangled us and we desperately need to improve.We will not do that in New Zealand where medium fast bowlers proliferate

Posted by Amjad_Bukhari on (October 19, 2010, 6:14 GMT)

Well it should be asked but Even I think they were beated by a team which is now making its Show on International Scence of Cricket. If u make big changes , u make more blunders. Stick with the guys and management. However disappointing thing is that they have Vetori, A world class spinner on any format, so in the nets they do face him, so Y they were not able to play Shakib, Razzak and others offspinners, Even they practice on N Mcullum and Vetori. its wake up call for NZ team and thats good before WC. One thing BD showed that now they r going to challenge SA, Eng, India & WI in group matches of WC & may make a place in QF. More threatened are WI bcz SA, Ind & Eng have more chances, But even an upset can knock anyone out from these three. so defeat to NZ is wake up call to others also. they all have go to BD to play against them on their soil. Well I like NZ team

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 6:08 GMT)

Thank god, there is not calling of "fixing" involved here. This would have taken the sheen of the "Banglawash" which was the David vs Goliath series of the decade. agreed that vettori has a lot in his hands, its about time the other it's and bits players perform.

Posted by anikbrad on (October 19, 2010, 6:05 GMT)


Posted by me_rony on (October 19, 2010, 5:52 GMT)

Where it is unfortunate that the kiwis missed their practice match, it is not true that they went to the series totally unprepared. Actually Bangladesh cricket board allowed the NZ team to practice on the very pitch that the match was going to held next day. This unusual move invoked anger from tigers coach Jamie Siddons and criticism from local media

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 5:51 GMT)

New Zealand Cricket have been in shambles due to reasons of their own...they haven't given those persons chances whom they ought to...Where is Peter Fulton??? Where are the others who were once said to be the future of New Zealand Cricket.. By giving chances to inappropriate persons, New Zealand have landed themselves into trouble. Players like Grant Elliot, Jesse Ryder, Daniel Flynn donot have enough credentials to be in the team. Where are Hamish Marshall, Peter Fulton, Jamie How and James Marshall???? They should be brought back to instill confidence and experience in the team....

Posted by strokedthroughthecovers on (October 19, 2010, 5:50 GMT)

The word "disaster" doesn't even begin to describe this shambles of a tour. The bowlers, and Daniel Vettori as always, performed pretty well - but the top order didn't show any appetite to work for their runs. I've seen straighter bats and better techniques in a game of beach cricket.

Posted by Deathonhand on (October 19, 2010, 5:40 GMT)

NEW Zealand could not play any practice match! that can't be any reason for lose>> BCB has given them chances to practice in the main central pitch!!!!

Posted by   on (October 19, 2010, 5:35 GMT)

Put them all on performance based contracts. It's the only way to guarantee some kind of performance that isn't spineless.

Posted by DINESHCC on (October 19, 2010, 5:33 GMT)

After the retirement of Stephen Flemming, there was no great performance by the Kiwis. When Stephen Flemming was in the reins, NZ has so many allrounders and there was batting depth till the 11th batsman. Even today there are many allrounders in the side. It is very difficult to fil the places of stephen flemming and Shane Bond. Best of luck for the next series.

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