New Zealand news October 28, 2010

Blunt Greatbatch blasts New Zealand

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New Zealand's coach Mark Greatbatch has delivered a candid verdict on the efforts of his players in Bangladesh, declaring that they "played like d****". Greatbatch was also scathing of the top order, suggesting that some of the batsmen simply weren't good enough, and that it was "inexcusable" to lose 4-0 to Bangladesh.

New Zealand play India in a three-match Test series that begins in Ahmedabad next Thursday. Although the format is different, Greatbatch hopes his players can use the Tests to regain some form and pride after the Bangladesh debacle, which resulted in meetings between senior New Zealand Cricket officials and team management.

"When you play badly like that you've got to front up," Greatbatch told LiveSPORT. "It's very devastating. We played like d**** really and I suppose there's one positive thing, we've got a chance next week to actually put it right.

"I think some [of the top order] aren't good enough. I think some think they are better than they are and the third one I think is the mind. We've got to get our mind right and sometimes that requires patience, sometimes it requires being aggressive. What it requires is actually sorting out the cricket smarts and weighing up the situation that you're playing in and we've got some work to do in all those areas."

Part of their plan to address the top-order problems, in the longer format at least, is for Brendon McCullum to move up into the top three for next week's Test. McCullum made 86 in his four ODI innings in Bangladesh and he said it was to be expected that the players would come under the microscope following the disappointing tour.

"I guess when you lose 4-0 in Bangladesh you can't come home and expect a parade," McCullum told the Dominion Post. "We didn't play well and we've just got to cop it sweet. There's no point in crying into your beer about it. You've just got turn the page and move on to the next tour. As long as we learn some lessons it'll probably be good for us. It could be the best or worst thing that could happen."

Following the Ahmedabad Test, New Zealand travel to Hyderabad and Nagpur, and Greatbatch said given India's strong record at home two draws from the series would be a good result. After the Tests there is a five-match ODI series, before the players fly back to New Zealand for a short break before taking on Pakistan at home.

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  • BMayuresh on November 1, 2010, 3:53 GMT

    Earlier at almost every WC (in past 2 decades or so) NZ was a team to watch out for as they had the potential to upset the favorites and were considered to have a shot at WC title if things fall in place for them.... unfortunately things never fell as expected by NZ. Now it seems NZ have been displaced from that position and Bangladesh would be the ones who are in that spot where every team no matter how strong it is will look out at Bangladesh as a dark horse.

  • van_hauz on October 31, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    Only bhaloniaz makes any iota of sense on this comments section.

  • Mosaddek on October 30, 2010, 22:11 GMT

    @third_gear I am a Bangladeshi and feels proud to see the tigers are winning. But, it doesn't make us something that we claim out of emotion. Emotion is a good element to move forward and sometimes it makes impossible thing a possible one. Still you need to bring your gear at least one step down to 2nd gear to claim something realistic. Don't claim anything beyond imagination of general people and keep it within yourself if any.

  • Redbacks_Bite on October 30, 2010, 13:50 GMT

    @third_gear. May your world conquering country of Bangladesh win the next five Worldcups. As long as Bangladesh has talent like you, there is a hope that they will host CW games after 150 years.

  • bhaloniaz on October 30, 2010, 13:30 GMT

    When Bangladeshi batsmen perform poorly, they say, bangladesh cricket is a joke. When Bangladesh wins occasionally against india, pakistan, they say it is fixed. When Bangladesh beats england or troubles australia, they say it was a fluke. When Bangladesh wins against NZ or WI, they come out and say how bad Bangladesh is. The whole article is about Greatbatch's comments on NZ, not Bangladesh. I donot understand how people come out to bash Bangladesh's weakness when they just whitewashed NZ. Why donot we look at ourselves in the mirror how little we look when we are mean. Its not about who won or who lost. Its a game. Only a handful of teams (Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, England, Uruguay, France, Holland) had any real success in first 70 years of world cup soccer. No team from Asia or Africa has no real chance. Nobody comes out and say we would not watch Brazil vs Aus. These crickinfo bullies of weaker cricket teams ( WI, Bang, Zim) lost the purpose of sports and its spirit.

  • scotty12354 on October 29, 2010, 22:18 GMT

    as a pround kiwi i think what mark said was the absolute truth. he may of not dressed it up in a politicially correct way but our team is full of potential that we are not making thew most of. its just a shame that a guy like mark gets slammed for speaking his mind

  • Third_Gear on October 29, 2010, 21:21 GMT

    @Bangla_Bonner : Ha Ha Ha ,in hundred/thousand years history India has got the chance for fisrt time n see the way they act,like its happening everyday,it happens when begger become rich suddenly .. funny very funny,. Even bdesh host after 150 yrs but will make sure SNAKE,MONKEY,DONKEY,DOG,COW does not affect the participants.

  • on October 29, 2010, 21:12 GMT

    Bangladesh are improving thats a clear sign

    every now and then they reduce a so called strong team to pulp so there are no surprises

    Tiger is no more a cub.Its teeth are growing

  • McGorium on October 29, 2010, 20:57 GMT

    @third_gear: Since you want stats, here it is. Ban made its ODI debut in March 1986, 10 yrs after SRL. But I suppose your thorough study of statistics missed that point. That was 24 years ago, wasn't it? Today, almost 15 yrs after SRL's famous world cup victory, when they had champion players like Vaas, Murali, D'Silva etc. and a new brigade in Mahela and Sangakkara, what have Bangladesh to show for their troubles? Zilch. The only decent prospect you had was Ashraful and look at him now. SRL got test status because they were beating good teams in ODIs. Ban got test status because the BCCI needed someone to vote on their side against ECB/CA/NZC. However, no self-respecting team would accept to lose to them 4-0 as a fair result, and only a self-deluding supporter would mistake this as the performance of a champion team. But hey, whatever makes you happy man. Ban is a great side and Tamim is the next Ponting.

  • Angad11 on October 29, 2010, 19:02 GMT

    @redbacks, lol well said. cant wait for bdesh to host cw games which is going to happen very soon, like in the next 150 years mm cant say actualy never..

  • BMayuresh on November 1, 2010, 3:53 GMT

    Earlier at almost every WC (in past 2 decades or so) NZ was a team to watch out for as they had the potential to upset the favorites and were considered to have a shot at WC title if things fall in place for them.... unfortunately things never fell as expected by NZ. Now it seems NZ have been displaced from that position and Bangladesh would be the ones who are in that spot where every team no matter how strong it is will look out at Bangladesh as a dark horse.

  • van_hauz on October 31, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    Only bhaloniaz makes any iota of sense on this comments section.

  • Mosaddek on October 30, 2010, 22:11 GMT

    @third_gear I am a Bangladeshi and feels proud to see the tigers are winning. But, it doesn't make us something that we claim out of emotion. Emotion is a good element to move forward and sometimes it makes impossible thing a possible one. Still you need to bring your gear at least one step down to 2nd gear to claim something realistic. Don't claim anything beyond imagination of general people and keep it within yourself if any.

  • Redbacks_Bite on October 30, 2010, 13:50 GMT

    @third_gear. May your world conquering country of Bangladesh win the next five Worldcups. As long as Bangladesh has talent like you, there is a hope that they will host CW games after 150 years.

  • bhaloniaz on October 30, 2010, 13:30 GMT

    When Bangladeshi batsmen perform poorly, they say, bangladesh cricket is a joke. When Bangladesh wins occasionally against india, pakistan, they say it is fixed. When Bangladesh beats england or troubles australia, they say it was a fluke. When Bangladesh wins against NZ or WI, they come out and say how bad Bangladesh is. The whole article is about Greatbatch's comments on NZ, not Bangladesh. I donot understand how people come out to bash Bangladesh's weakness when they just whitewashed NZ. Why donot we look at ourselves in the mirror how little we look when we are mean. Its not about who won or who lost. Its a game. Only a handful of teams (Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, England, Uruguay, France, Holland) had any real success in first 70 years of world cup soccer. No team from Asia or Africa has no real chance. Nobody comes out and say we would not watch Brazil vs Aus. These crickinfo bullies of weaker cricket teams ( WI, Bang, Zim) lost the purpose of sports and its spirit.

  • scotty12354 on October 29, 2010, 22:18 GMT

    as a pround kiwi i think what mark said was the absolute truth. he may of not dressed it up in a politicially correct way but our team is full of potential that we are not making thew most of. its just a shame that a guy like mark gets slammed for speaking his mind

  • Third_Gear on October 29, 2010, 21:21 GMT

    @Bangla_Bonner : Ha Ha Ha ,in hundred/thousand years history India has got the chance for fisrt time n see the way they act,like its happening everyday,it happens when begger become rich suddenly .. funny very funny,. Even bdesh host after 150 yrs but will make sure SNAKE,MONKEY,DONKEY,DOG,COW does not affect the participants.

  • on October 29, 2010, 21:12 GMT

    Bangladesh are improving thats a clear sign

    every now and then they reduce a so called strong team to pulp so there are no surprises

    Tiger is no more a cub.Its teeth are growing

  • McGorium on October 29, 2010, 20:57 GMT

    @third_gear: Since you want stats, here it is. Ban made its ODI debut in March 1986, 10 yrs after SRL. But I suppose your thorough study of statistics missed that point. That was 24 years ago, wasn't it? Today, almost 15 yrs after SRL's famous world cup victory, when they had champion players like Vaas, Murali, D'Silva etc. and a new brigade in Mahela and Sangakkara, what have Bangladesh to show for their troubles? Zilch. The only decent prospect you had was Ashraful and look at him now. SRL got test status because they were beating good teams in ODIs. Ban got test status because the BCCI needed someone to vote on their side against ECB/CA/NZC. However, no self-respecting team would accept to lose to them 4-0 as a fair result, and only a self-deluding supporter would mistake this as the performance of a champion team. But hey, whatever makes you happy man. Ban is a great side and Tamim is the next Ponting.

  • Angad11 on October 29, 2010, 19:02 GMT

    @redbacks, lol well said. cant wait for bdesh to host cw games which is going to happen very soon, like in the next 150 years mm cant say actualy never..

  • Redbacks_Bite on October 29, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    @third_gear. You're absolutely right. Poor India and Newzeland are no match to the Finanancial and Cricketng Super Power Bangladesh. All the cricketing nations should look up to what Bangladesh has accomplishment in such short time. Actually, the whole world should benchmark Bangladesh's superior economy, life style and sporting heritage. They should have let Bangladesh host the CW games and that would have even attratcted the aliens to come to earth and watch the gratest show on earth..

  • Third_Gear on October 29, 2010, 13:43 GMT

    @Sudeep Mukherjee : But we are affraid about ur management in the WC ahead as well, this is why brought this issue on board. In case Monkey,Snake,Cow,Dog starts to appear in the ground or gallary collapse it will be huge disappointing to the cricket fanz of whole world n would be deprived from the enjoyment. I m affraid if still the Feroz Shah Kotla in the venue list ?? it will be a blunder.Rather than showing something bigger than ur capacity try to make sure things does not happen like this plzz.

  • on October 29, 2010, 13:32 GMT

    Losing isn't a crime!! Everybody loses once in a while. Mr. Greatbach should mind his language!!

  • Third_Gear on October 29, 2010, 13:21 GMT

    @McGorium : With all ur poor stats u can do any non sense comments,its certain. Ur stats shows ur poor knowledge of cricket. For ur information BD played their first test 0n 2000 while srilanka at 1982 the difference is 18 years. Bangladesh ODI Status was given at 1997 while srilanka at 1975 mean 22 years later and srilanka won world cup after 21 yeras of their run as they were apperaing WC from 1975 n BD first was 1999 n though BD once was joined with PAK,IND but cricket was not popular here untill 1995 . Still its not the scale that one team never win WC not a good team in this case NZ n ENG should be eliminated from ODI, 100/200 yrs playing cricket n Since 1975 these teams r playing ODI n all ODI WC apperance but never took the cup. Hey mate just dont argue just for the shake of aguments,moreover wiith wrong stats n theory. Do work to correct ur stats get proper knowledge n come to the discussion board otherwise its awful to reply ur poor comments.No reply to ur next post.

  • charlzy_33 on October 29, 2010, 8:02 GMT

    i wouldnt say India dont have good spinners considering harbhajan singh has the most test wickets of any current player! Ojha will trouble NZ as well. Cant see India being to fazed by NZ at home, theyre playing real good cricket at the moment

  • McGorium on October 29, 2010, 7:45 GMT

    @realredbaron: Read Shahzaad's post again. He confirms what I said re. population. What matters is the %age of population taking up the game professionally. India was not really interested in cricket until the 90s; it was never a viable career option back then. My main objection was to the assertion that Bangladesh are a CHAMPION TEAM. Not so.They are the champions of this bilateral series. Also, Ban was part of Pak. Before that, you were part of Ind. If you really want to benchmark yourself, compare with Sri Lanka or Zim(before Mugabe's brainfreeze). SRL got test status in the late 80s and produced a WC winning team by 1995. Zim got test status in the mid 90s and by 2002, beat other test playing nations at home. Each side had champion players like Flower, Streak, Murali, Vaas, D'Silva etc. Ban got test status in the 90s, and has not one champion player. How then can they be a CHAMPION TEAM? It occasionally surprises, but generally loses.There is no honor is losing 4-0 to this side.

  • bhaloniaz on October 29, 2010, 6:58 GMT

    Greatbatch's assessment is unfair. Every team has struggled against Bangladesh or Zim for a shorter span not for 4 ODIs. I wish luck to kiwis. We are assuming that Bangladesh is constant at their poor performance. So if Bangladesh beats a team, that team is really poor. Bangladeshi spinners are not great,but very disciplined and executes the plan within their limit. If india visits NZ they will struggle again kiwi medium pacers[who executes with in their limitations], while Ishant/Sreesanth will bowl with pace gunning it down outside the leg stumps. NZ (long term) performance against india is on par if we consider both home and away series. I do not understand why people have selective memory of NZ performance. We should not lose the sportsman spirit. We win some and we lose some. When we lose we donot have to blame the players and demean them.When we win we dont have to pump up and relegate the other teams as second tier teams.

  • Ovy_obni on October 29, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    @ Sudeep, you are right, there is no harm wishing ill. Would you like if your next door neighbor wish you get sick. As a Bangladeshi cricket fan, I would be upset if anyone discredit Bangladesh's achievements. I am sure, when India won their first test match, or their first series win, if I had said it's a fluke or the opponent did not acclimatize with the conditions, you would get emotional too.

  • on October 29, 2010, 6:40 GMT

    @sundoo<<???...'Great Spinners even India Does not have??.....Get ur Stats Right Mate..

  • on October 29, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    Since I started following cricket (mid 70s), the New Zealanders have always been a bunch of guys who really took pride in their cricket and often played above themselves and were always fiercely competitive.Wright, Edgar, Reid, Lance Cairns and a great host of others may not have had buckets of natural talent and may not have made for pretty viewing but they had fight and gumption in spades. Those are the things that seem to have gone missing. Where is Martin Guptill? He seemed to have the right mix of attitude and technique.

  • NZ-Bonza on October 29, 2010, 6:24 GMT

    About Time Mark!!! NZ has needed a good blasting from their coach for some time now. Normally its in the Test batting department, not the ODI's. Its the same old thing from NZC, they do not have the player numbers of any other cricketing nation in the world so in order to be competitive they must try their guts out. For mine, since the retirement of Fleming there has been a distinct lack in application from anyone barring Vettori. Whereas Vettori has been a one man team for a while, Fleming inspired things from his team, brought out the best of them and they had some good results in his time at the top. Vettori is a fighter and a battler, but he needs to instill those values into his troops. I personally think this NZ team is as talented, if not more talented than Flemings bunch, but they lack the mental strength Fleming was so famous for. If Taylor, Ryder, Guptil, McCullum etc apply themselves, work on batting for sessions, not overs, they can be a competitive team in any form

  • sundoo on October 29, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    Greatbatch is unfairly harsh. These things happen in a game. NZ was never good at spin . And bangladesh have real good spinners which even India does not have. It will not be a cakewalk for India either in Tests or in ODI's.

  • on October 29, 2010, 5:33 GMT

    @ Syed Itaat Hussain:i agree with u....

  • HK_Sachin on October 29, 2010, 5:29 GMT

    Cant see why ICC calls them "internationals"

    They'll be push overs for any of the A teams

    Its time to stop feeling sorry for NZ and the little cricket population they have. Break up Test/ODI's in two leagues that change every 4 years. NZ i bet you will be in the B division forever.

    As a NZ cricket admin I'd be up for issuing permanent residency to West Indians and others to play and swear by NZ in cricket. GAME ON? Yeah.

  • Ovy_obni on October 29, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    When Pakistan looses to Bangladesh, people claims that the match is fixed. When England looses to BD, oh its bad weather. When NZ looses to Bangladesh, the players performs poorly. Come on man, give some credit. I have seen this BD vs. NZ series, the newly appointed bowling coach significantly made an impact. The fielding if not better than South African or Australia, it is way better than India and Pakistan. Bangladesh cricket is developing rapidly, so don't judge the team performance based on decade old results. @Syed.. you bet what!! grow up kiddo

  • indianzen on October 29, 2010, 5:07 GMT

    There will be another white washing series. bowling vests on Tim Southee and batting on Vettori period

  • Mosaddek on October 29, 2010, 4:23 GMT

    No appreciation to encourage Bangladesh team for a historic success other than focusing on NZ failure. Listen to the Boycotts interview where he says NZ will struggle for a while and Bangladesh won in their turf; but Bangladesh fails in outside turf. Please take note Mr. Boycott that NZ lost in an outside turf as well what you suggest for Bangladesh failure. I think, high nose pundits are focusing on NZ failure to undermine the success of tigers.

  • on October 29, 2010, 3:53 GMT

    Come on people, just relax a bit, will ya?? Why are we pelting stones at each other?? Bangladesh displayed a spirited performance while beating NZ. The games were pretty close.They could have gone in either direction but BD held their nerves. They r definitely showing signs of improvement.Though I am an Indian,I live in West Bengal so I cheer for them whenever they play except while playing against India. On a side note, Why does everybody think that India will maul over NZ??There will be no excitement then. We all wanna see competitive matches like the 1st Test match btwn India and Australia.

    @ Syed Itaat Hussain Please, no more match fixing!!!!!!NZ vs BD matches were competitive.They were clean. We have had enough of this nonsense already!!!!

  • on October 29, 2010, 3:43 GMT

    @third_gear poor guy has completely lost it on cricinfo he is discussing commonwealth games may be he thinks Kalmadi is BCCI boss. Dont worry mate it happens when you are frustrated about your own cricket team and life in general you tend to hit out anything and everything. It will pass. If Bangladesh can dream of winning WC then Indians can have fantasies of wiping the floor with them too. Isnt it? Both of them are dream of the fans thus if any Indian fans comment against B'desh is just his wish, then why have you got your knickers in a twist

  • on October 29, 2010, 2:51 GMT

    Dont underestimate bangladesh..Bangladesh team is well known for creating wonders..I am the big fan of it's captain..Shakib. come on bangla !! ~~Indian cricket fan

  • mike5181 on October 29, 2010, 1:58 GMT

    Im keen to see Daniel Flynn back in the NZ team as well as How, Franklin....1.How 2.McCullum 3.Taylor 4.Ryder 5.Williamson 6.Flynn- (before a form slump he was our most consistent batsmen) 7.Vettori 8.Franklin 9.Mills 10.Benett-i havent seen him play but 140k + is useful 11.Mckay/Southee- If we keep this core group for a while and just insert Styris and Oram when ODIs come around. Make big ego McCullum take the gloves back as well. Thats actually a really decent team..it would be a handful in NZ conditions...but this isnt the team they picked so with the current group id say 2-0 to India with Ryder, Taylor, Vettori the only batsmen playing well and one good innings from Williamson...id say we will get a couple of wickets early then India will pile on the runs, Vettori's inability to take wickets will show but eventually it will be our batting that will let us down out of the two.

  • Fydd on October 29, 2010, 1:47 GMT

    Good on Greatbatch for being honest, players like McCullum, Taylor and Vettori are well overrated, but still NZ should have bet Bangladesh easily, and I wonder if he is the best coach for NZ. NZ desperately need a very talented coach with tactical nous who is excels at batting technique as the current crop have poor technique by international standards. It's such a tragedy that John Wright did not become coach, he had the ability to lift the side from its current state of poor/dreadful to average/competitive. I think the current management of NZC is also to blame - a few years ago they seemingly scared away many players into early retirement like Astle and Fleming,& let the likes of H Marshall, Vincent and Bond go. Let's be blunt, Justin Vaughan seems to talk a lot of bamboozling hot air management mumbo jumbo, and his results have been very poor since in charge. His main priority seems to be money (esp for ODIs and T20s) ratherthan building up player depth and improving technique.

  • on October 29, 2010, 0:06 GMT

    Bangladesh is an improved one-day team..I am the big fan of its captain-Shakib.. I guess, we will see some wonders by bangalesh in worldcup..

  • WAiWiA on October 28, 2010, 23:25 GMT

    Time for another reply from third_gear?

  • Karthik_1982 on October 28, 2010, 23:17 GMT

    NZ for sure will do better in India, just becoz the pitches will be far more better than the ones offered in BD. They prepared their pitch to suit their strength as NZ would prepare a green top for BD. India always has the tendency to match to their opponents irrespective whether its BD or Aus. So lets hope NZ to do better in India, atleast in ODI. NZ has no chance in test but ODI they can win one or two to salvage their pride.

  • Mosaddek on October 28, 2010, 22:59 GMT

    @Syed Itaat Hussain Most of the people from high ranking cricket countries have a problem of Bangladesh's 4-0 win against NZ and everybody is writing about NZ failure while not much about success of Bangladesh. It is a high nose attitude and a naked attempt to undermine the success of Bangladesh . If there was any doubt of match fixing , then I may remind you that NZ was staunch against for full test status of Bangladesh. Also, NZ took off 2 scheduled test match from this tour and they were lucky that they weren't banglawashed in test matches as well. BE RESPECTFUL TO ACCEPT THE SUCCESS OF SOMEONE, ELSE LOOSE YOUR DIGNITY TO DENY THE FACT.

  • realredbaron on October 28, 2010, 21:59 GMT

    @McGorium,you must have left your brain somewhere else.New Zealand has less population than Dhaka,so what?! If that theory applies then Germany would always lose against China in soccer.India would always win against Australia in cricket.But that does not happen.So forget that rubbish population theory of yours.20 years ago, people in Bangladesh wouldn't even know the proper rules of cricket.30 years ago half the Bangladeshis did not know what cricket actually is.Given this,the current accomplishment of Bangladesh national cricket team is extraordinary!Bangladesh U19 can beat New Zealand U19 10 out of 10 times, in any format.This wasn't the case 10 years ago.So wait 10 more years and you will find Bangladesh as one of the top 5 international cricket team.How long did it take?30 years for a country that is in existence for merely 40 years.Compare this with New Zealand now.New Zealand is playing cricket for a century and loses 4-0 against Bangladesh.B'desh is indeed a champion against NZ

  • amdtelrunya on October 28, 2010, 21:43 GMT

    NZ will struggle against India. Can't see Patel making much of an impact so Williamson should be the second spinner. Top order is the age old problem again and McCullum has to step up. I can't believe that Hopkins is the best keeper around, throw a young guy in there for long term's sake. The middle order of Taylor, Ryder, Williamson and Vettori is solid if the top order gets a good start. Vettori really should start looking at moving to 6 for the rest of his career though, as he is the most consistent batsmen in the team, and its a bit of a waste having him at 7 or 8, particularly when his batting is now overtaking his bowling in terms of skill. Its been sad seeing the decline of Chris Martin, he's lost a bit of pace and swing in the last year. They need to bite the bullet and pick the two new fast men, Bennett and McKay, alongside Arnel. Good to see they are trying to find new fast bowlers. Southee goes a bit AWOL sometimes. That gives six bowling options, including Ryder.

  • amdtelrunya on October 28, 2010, 21:34 GMT

    I don't see what the fuss is here, Greatbatch is completely right. Some of the batsmen aren't good enough, and others seem to think that they are better than they actually are, particularly McCullum, who is a bit of a basher like Astle was but nowhere near as good. If he played normal cricket shots he would do a whole lot better. Its another example of NZ Cricket trying to keep a squeaky clean image rather actually speaking the truth, particular from CEO Vaughan. Same thing happened when they told lies to Bond in the ICL fiasco, bending over backwards to BCCI demands and then pandering to player demands in the last couple of years. Fact is, Bangladesh are good enough to win 1-2 games in a series at home, but not 4-0. Greatbatch wasn't the best batsman but he made the most of what he had, unlike some of the current batsmen. There are plenty of other less talented players in NZ who would give anything to play for their country of this lot can't be bothered.

  • inswing on October 28, 2010, 21:23 GMT

    This result probably reflects a significant decline in NZ cricket, and a slight improvement in B'desh. NZ has a problem with lack of depth, and when one or two key players are not in form, they have nothing. B'desh may also be (finally) improving, with one or two players starting to perform at an international level.

  • Third_Gear on October 28, 2010, 21:17 GMT

    @PrabhuRangarajan : Its not a matter of Rank but mind set. Expectation of supporters knows no bound ofcourse becoz of this crazyness from the supporters matches r always delighted n crickters r big persons. In the WC ahead 14 Teams will be playing with 14 dreams but aim is one "Achieving best of their capacity" Why does it hurt u indi fans ?? I dont say BD Team going to win WC trophy but whats ur problem if anyone make his hope .Tell me one team name which can win the WC trophy by declaring beore ?? can expect but. Did ur logic work when Srilanka won at 1996 or IND in 1983 being a weak team ? World does not move by indi logics.If ur logic works than how at that time low ranked BD beat high high very high ranked INd n SA in 2007 WC which threw IND out of tournament ????

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on October 28, 2010, 20:49 GMT

    I don't know why this comment page has turned into an exchange spat. The coach is well in his right to express his concern. He is not saying Bang do not deserve some credit but he is saying NZ, as weak as they have become, CAN DO MUCH BETTER. Less than a yr ago, the same Bang team failed to win even a t-20 vs NZ in NZ. No-1 is saying they haven't improved enough to beat NZ at home BUT 4-0? NZ are a bit better than this and deserve as much harsh criticism as do Bang deserve praise. Persons want to see teams like Bang growing but not teams like NZ falling. That is very bad for cricket. Bang fans on this site need to be more patient as well. Respect is something earned over a period of time, not overnight and Bang will have to do much better as a team in all 3 formats against teams playing at their best if they expect persons across the board to see them as favorites for ANY series, thats just the way it is.

  • Third_Gear on October 28, 2010, 20:48 GMT

    @McGorium : We understtand ur mental situation. My full sympathy goes with u n ur team N GREaTBATCH.This is a time when ur heart is bleeding,distressed n hopeless , so we dont mind any clueless comment from U. It's more pressure to have a result of 4-0 just beffore WC also the event due to take place in sub continent.Hey mate, do lot of work over spinn bowling,randomly practice on spin spin n spin. History says many team had such worse time like urs. God bless u n ur team....AMINNNN

  • PrabhuRangarajan on October 28, 2010, 20:40 GMT

    third_gear thinks #2 ranked India is jealous of #9 ranked Bangladesh?

    Oh my!!! :-)

    Bangladesh is champion team in not just cricket but also Logic :-)

  • WAiWiA on October 28, 2010, 20:31 GMT

    Some of these comments make me laugh. Just support good cricket guys! It doesn't matter what team won as long as there were nail-biting finishers and competitive matches.

    Ultimately, its not like you are gaining anything other than entertainment by supporting your home team, right? ;)

    Sure, Bangladesh played better than NZ in all 4 games. Phenomenal achievement indeed! And just because Greatbatch didn't mention that, it doesn't take away Bangladesh's crown.

    Sure hope the NZ/India matches ahead stay interesting. Would be really interested to see how Vettori bowls on the Indian tracks.

  • Agus2010 on October 28, 2010, 20:16 GMT

    NZ should play with Pakistan to get their form back, it seems that the Pakistan team is the worst team in current cricket season, no wonder they will loose against kenya or Netherland in upcoming World cup 2011, because the way their batsmen played in recent cricket so their immaturity and they have played the games like kids, so, if NZ get a chance to play with Pakistan before world cup they might improve their bowling strength lol

  • Riderstorm on October 28, 2010, 20:02 GMT

    @Sriram Kuravi your opinion is not fair considering that we the indian team started playing good cricket over the last few years. It's worth remembering that we used to struggle abroad and used to win mostly in India, we better keep our feet stuck to the ground. As I have been following the progress of b'desh and quite impressed with the way they are playing over the last few months. The winning habit is what they have to inculcate and it looks like they can do that, what if they do at win at home, a series win is a win. Also, cricket is a sport where things do turn around and doesn't take much time and may be Bangladesh as their fans wish might be competitive in the near future.

    All the best and hoping to a see a exciting contest.!!!

  • Third_Gear on October 28, 2010, 19:29 GMT

    @Sriram Kuravi : Why u indi criccket fans r so jealous about ur neghbours achievements always. Shahzaad has the right to hope any extreme best to his team but why does all this itch to an indian ssupporter specially?? This is howler. Dont act like sole owner of cricket,anyone has their right of expectation n for ur kind information yes yes we ofcourse expect bangladesh do something amazing in WC 2011, even they fail to do so still our support remain same to them unlike indian supporters stone at players houses,abuse n beat player relative,this is ur culture. Srilanka will win wc 1996 no body even dreamed,India will win their test match abrroad it was more than dream one time,Kapil Dev commented on srilanka they will never win a test but all these happened eventually. Good time does not by telling u bad time does not go by saluting u. Think about urself how u can host commonwealth in future without scandals of SNAKE,DOG,Moneky n Durt. It will help u n ur people.

  • McGorium on October 28, 2010, 19:28 GMT

    @Shahzaad: Champion team? They were champions of a 4 match series against a country that fewer people than Dhaka. They are no champion team. The fact is, Ban can't win consistently enough against reasonably good teams. They haven't unearthed good enough talent, whether batting or bowling. The fact is, no international team should lose to Bangladesh 4-0; they're just not that good. Greatbatch is absolutely right: a team without any champion bowlers or batsmen should not be allowed to thrash NZ 4-0. Sorry mate, a team losing to the current Ban side should blame themselves for losing the game, not praise Ban for winning it.

  • sanin on October 28, 2010, 19:25 GMT

    @Sriram Kuravi .....i am a little bit shocked, India is very good team and we neighbors cheers for india. But after getting such rough remarks from you, i may have to rethink some stuffs b4 cheering for India. You are not the person to judge us, time will write its judgment.

  • on October 28, 2010, 18:20 GMT

    When you batting order _starts_ at No. 8 (Vettori), there is not much you can complain about.

  • pealzo on October 28, 2010, 17:55 GMT

    i find it funny mcullum is giving up keeping to play just as a batsman,hes not good enough and is massivley overated,when he does score runs its by pure luck as he gets away with some hideous shots!! give Kruger van wyk the gloves,check his averages,very consistent and experienced player!!!

  • on October 28, 2010, 17:42 GMT

    @Shahzaad... Yeah right.. Bangladesh win a series @ home and they are gonna be one of the leading teams of the world.. Of which age are we talking? 2050? Winning a 4 match series at home is not just enuf... Tell them to go to new zealand and beat the same team...

    I am sure the newzealand team will put up a much stronger fight than what it did @ bangladesh.. But 4 - 0 ? Dream on Mr Shahzaad.. The next thing u can think is the bangladesh team winning world cup 2011... One series out of bangladesh say srilanka or india as a matter of fact will bring them back to what they were before - A squad that wins occasionally.

    I am sure new zealand will put up a more spirited performance. But india wouldnt be having any problem in overcoming their challenge. I predict a 2 - 0 in tests and a 2-2 or 3-1 in onedays considering the fact that india is not going to field a full strength team for onedays

  • theswami on October 28, 2010, 17:29 GMT

    How, Ryder, Taylor, McCullum (wk), Williamson,Oram,Franklin, Vettori, Tuffey, Martin, Patel. Subs: Fulton, Flynn,N.McCullum,Southee,Bennett.

    Good combo for India .... How has the talent, Ryder, Taylor,McCullum & Oram - already have proved their worth in India. Franklin... utility player, bats & bowls. Vettori - the one man army, Tuffey, Martin - easily the best quicks in NZ service. Patel - The 2nd spinner, trump card in Indian pitches ... Fulton - good slogger, ideal for Indian conditions, N.McCullum- reserve spinner. Southee, Bennett - reserve pacers.

  • on October 28, 2010, 17:20 GMT

    Granted, NZ is not the best team in the world, possibly never will be given their support to the cricket plus the mere fact the number of people live there. Half of the New Zealanders play Rugby and the rest supports other sports!! What actually surprises me that the lack of due acknowledgement from the NZ coach that Bangladesh has indeed played like a champion team. I suppose they should take positive thinking they have lost to a better team on the tour. Would not you say that had it been against any other team? Take a note, Bangladesh may be one of the poorest countries in the world, they are the tigers. They will be one of the leading teams in cricket sson. NZ will then simply gratified by loosing 4-0 and will take the positives and say ... games were competitive!!

  • theswami on October 28, 2010, 17:13 GMT

    Actually NZ are'nt that bad .......it was touch & go @ Mirpur & the Bangers were 51% to NZ 49% ...... You can't blame these guys... it was unfamiliar conditions @ a new place for a new crop of int'l cricketers .... the selectors should understand & try to toughen them, some mental conditioning, maybe a sports psychologist should be involved or maybe a military boot-camp or something of that sort is required ..... get their hopes high & voila, they're int'l potential again. - A true Indian Kiwi fan

  • on October 28, 2010, 16:41 GMT

    Brendon Mccullum is the best.Nz 5-0 Ind.

  • on October 28, 2010, 16:33 GMT

    It's good to know that NZ team is aiming at a draw series but truth be told, NZ batsmen are way too confused right now after their losses against Bangladesh. Do they possess the technique to survive on Indian pitches?? Only Ryder, Taylor,Mccullam and vettori have playing experience on Indian pitches. Against a pumped up Indian bowling side and an almighty batting side, It's gonna take something more than extraordinary to draw the test series.Vettori has to perform like a superman if they wanna hope for a test victory. I hope that it will be an exciting series.Come on NZ, we all wanna see a fight. Bring it on!

  • Peligrosisimo3 on October 28, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    I can empathize with the average NZ fan(didnt see the series). I remember a couple of years ago when the WI toured NZ and WI were way ahead of NZ in the rankings, NZ beat them in every game(Campbell and Griffiths opened the batting). Honestly after going down 1 or 2 nil to a supposedly weaker side, if the team has the reserve to be calmer, then probably positive things can happen but in the WI case, they were more agitated and played pressurized cricket. You try to hit more boundaries than normal and stop playing normal cricket. I can suggest the same happenned here with NZ. One series doesnt make you a trash team but most times its in the mind. I saw some of the results and not being able to chase down about 160 the batting side has to play terrible cricket no matter how good the opposition bowls. Bangladesh has also improved as a cricket side, after the WI series the confidence has skyrocketed. They now believe. Dont count out NZ. India is favored but so was NZ in Ban. series.

  • 9ST9 on October 28, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    Good that NZ are being realistic aiming for a draw but seriously if a side aims for 2 draws they are expecting to go down. India will probably have a 3-0 or a 2-0 and further cement their #1 position. unless one a couple of guys strike good form NZ aren't gonna do what they did in the last 3 WC's - 2Semis and a super-six Dont forget Fleming led in all 3 of those occasions.

  • crazytaurean on October 28, 2010, 13:22 GMT

    Alas !! Mr Greatbatch fails to understand that NZE Cricket Team is not as good as it was, while Bangladesh has improved by leaps and bounds. Besides, there is no one to replace Nathan Astle in the side. He was prolific at the top especially in the subcontinent. Taylor, Ryder, McCullum are flashy but consistent? Nah. And with no Fleming there, New Zealand team has no anchor. I sincerely feel the Peter Fultons and the Martin Guptills stand up and be counted. I wonder does this article interest Lou Vincent, James Marshall and Jamie Hows?

  • on October 28, 2010, 13:16 GMT

    Thank You third_gear. It is time for world to stop thinking that they can easily beat Bangladesh.

  • Vice-Captain on October 28, 2010, 13:06 GMT

    Bangladesh supporters do have something to be proud of. But, they're inclined to have the same challenges that NZ does - i.e. not good enough and think better than they are. Last few years they've only played in home conditions. So - a few wins can't make them be a part of the league that the top-5 are in.

  • DMTR on October 28, 2010, 11:03 GMT

    or maybe Mr Greatbatch, Bangladesh was just tooooo good for NZ.

  • abyrao on October 28, 2010, 10:49 GMT

    Only Taylor, Ryder and Vettori seem to be Test level Batsmen. Greatbatch rightly said that guys like McCullum are overrated. If he has given up keeping he should not be in the team. Time that NZL grooms in fresh players like Williamson and also recall Jamie How whose tecchnique is good.

  • on October 28, 2010, 10:03 GMT

    ok, there is so many faults with the new zealand team. selection has been rather poor recently and isnt getting any better. chris martin and jeetan patel? come on new zealand cricket bring in young guys, like nick beard or michael bates. mccullum giving up the gloves has created another probem, gareth hopkins is alright in t20 but derek de boorder or reece young should have been selected for the test series. kiwi batsman are seriously lacking confidence and thats really noticable by the lack of foot work and shot selection. sigh, maybe oneday new zealand will have a respectable team again...

  • champion1469 on October 28, 2010, 9:41 GMT

    test match top order should be mccullum, watling (alot of potential in him), guptill, taylor, ryder, williamson, reece young (better than hopkins), vettori, bennett, mckay and mills. the batting is more solid while still capable of being exciting, and the bowling has the potential to take 20 wickets with mckay mills and bennett offering pace and movement, vettori and williamson spin, and ryder little mediums if necessary

  • vipin.chaudhary2325 on October 28, 2010, 9:36 GMT

    bangladesh is good side.. but not dat gud dat newzealand loose 4-0.... newzealand was unable to win just 1 match to save their pride..... I think in every Australia-Newzealand ODI series, Newzealand win 1-2 matches.... but their is some serious problem now..... Newzealand have to learn handling the spin... otherwise there is no chance in WC

  • on October 28, 2010, 9:29 GMT

    If bangladesh can beat them 4-0, then surely India can beat them 5-0 in ODI and being the no 1 test side 3-0 in tests. They beat NZ IN NZ 1-0 in test and 3-1 in ODI.

  • on October 28, 2010, 9:20 GMT

    WEll Greatbatch has been as blunt in his assessment as a coach can be. let's just hope that Ryder, Taylor and McCulllum to step up and score some runs. i feel sorry for Jeetan Patel as I am sure Indian Batters are licking their lips on the prospects of facing yet another fairly unexperienced off spinner. Wish Black Caps all the best!@

  • on October 28, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    Here would be my New Zealand 11 1) Jamie How 2) Martan Guptill 3) Brendon Mccullum 4) Ross Taylor 5) Kane Williamson 6) BJ Watling (WK) 7) Jesse Ryder 8) Daniel Vettori 9) Kyle Mills 10) Tim Southee 11) Hamish Bennet

    JAmie HOw deserves a recall batted really well against International oppsition in cpl

    What i would like new zealand to do is get Stephen Fleming Martan Crowe Nathan astle John Wright richard hadlee bond the greats of the game coming in regularly (full time pretty much and teaching our current crop the basic fundamentals of cricket

    In a couple of years i would fast track a promising cricketers coming thru the canterbury ranks wicketkeeper under 19 2009 player Tom Latham and Cory Anderson (all rounder) into the black caps went you think about all our wicketkeepers are pushing on a bit eg. hopkins, mcglashans, Youngs mid 30s now bit of a wicketkeeping problem after mccullum and hopkins watling could be turned into wicketkeeper batsmen

  • on October 28, 2010, 8:51 GMT

    no hope for the blackcaps just getting worser and worser no going back now and they think they will do well against india kip dreaming luk wt india did to australia what gives nz a chance against india?

  • on October 28, 2010, 8:33 GMT

    Granted, NZ is not the best team in the world, possibly never will be given their support to the cricket plus the mere fact the number of people live there. Half of the New Zealanders play Rugby and the rest supports other sports!! What actually surprises me that the lack of due acknowledgement from the NZ coach that Bangladesh has indeed played like a champion team. I suppose they should take positive thinking they have lost to a better team on the tour. Would not you say that had it been against any other team? Take a note, Bangladesh may be one of the poorest countries in the world, they are the tigers. They will be one of the leading teams in cricket sson. NZ will then simply gratified by loosing 4-0 and will take the positives and say ... games were competitive!!

  • on October 28, 2010, 8:32 GMT

    1) Tim Macintosh, 2) Martin Guptill, 3) Brendon McCullum 4) Ross Taylor, 5) Jesse Ryder 6) Kane Williamson 7) Daniel Vettori 8) Jacob Oram 9) Tim Southee, 10) Darryl Tuffey, 11) Chris Martin

    that looks class.

  • Third_Gear on October 28, 2010, 8:30 GMT

    Well May be this is the first time that bangladesh beat NZ so badly n take the series, but if u see last few years records they did not let the matches unchallanged n so many were very close. So it was only matter of time to get this result for bangladesh. I think no team can confidently say that they are not bothered about bangladesh team. Time to change the mind considering them as a power ODI team. Best of Luck NZ in their next tour.

  • bharat.agr on October 28, 2010, 8:22 GMT

    lol@Greatbatch for expecting 2 draws against mighty strong Indian batting line-up and specially the GOD himself in his best form of all time. Kiwis will be demolished by Indians in Test Seies. I can still manage if they are able to salvage their little left pride in ODIs, given all the important players will be sent to SA to get accustomed in foreign conditions. Still second best Indian side is good enough to rub faces with Kiwis and return with very good results.

  • Foxswoop on October 28, 2010, 8:22 GMT

    Honestly, NZ are at an all time low. Vettori is a top class player and maybe Taylor & McCullum would get a run in other test sides around the world but as for the rest, the best you could say is they are ordinary. India will flog them, probably within three days in all 3 tests.

  • on October 28, 2010, 8:00 GMT

    NZ's loos to bangladesh isn't that big issue . one day someone had to loos from bangladesh . unfortunately that's the kiwis. they are fortunate in such a way that this has not come in WORLD CUP. its a wake up call for them . INDIA BEETER WATCHOUT OPNING GAME AGAINST THEM.

  • akshay4india on October 28, 2010, 7:51 GMT

    Just when it seemed like New Zealand cricketers couldn't have any more confidence in themselves...

  • on October 28, 2010, 7:48 GMT

    I think New Zealand should be patient in Indian conditions looking at India's record @home and that follows the 1st Test which starts next week and should also look to draw the first test and gain some momentum for remaining tests.....

  • on October 28, 2010, 7:28 GMT

    Greatbatch and NZ are being unduly pessimistic. India will become complacent enough to gift away NZ at least 2 ODIs and possibly 1 Test. This will be a great tour for a lot of the journeymen of the team to make or salvage their reputations as Harbhajan keeps bowling flatter and flatter, Sehwag treats the games with the seriousness of a nets session and Dravid remains unable to get the ball off the square

  • delta20 on October 28, 2010, 7:04 GMT

    1) Jesse Ryder, 2) Brendon McCullum (WK), 3) Martin Guptill, 4) Ross Taylor, 5) Daniel Flynn, 6) Kane Williamson (Need to watch him batting but his stats show he is something), 7) Daniel Vettori (Captain), 8) James Franklin, 9) Tim Southee, 10) Darryl Tuffey, 11) Chris Martin.... Doesn't this order look better..... In fact NZ batting is one of the most talented order at present but for this batting order to work there should be no chopping and changing... the NZ board must let them play for at least one and a half years without axing anyone then you will start seeing some results... But I think bench strength of NZ is very poor and that is one area where NZ cricket board need to work on....

  • arvindthiru on October 28, 2010, 6:50 GMT

    I hope India doesn't get complacent !!

  • delta20 on October 28, 2010, 6:37 GMT

    I don't think NZ current team is as bad as it looked during Bangladesh tour... In fact, if properly managed, they are one of the most talented and upcoming batting order one could imagine... but they must let them settle for at least a year with no chopping and changing.. Can you imagine Jesse ryder and Brendon mccullum opening with Martin Guptill coming in at no. 3? Ross Taylor comes at no. 4 and Kane Williamson at no. 5 (Need to watch him, I am putting him here purely on his stats in cricinfo which seems awesome) while Daniel Flynn at 6... Vettori at 7, James franklin at 8, Tim southee at 9, Darryl tuffy at 10 and Chris martin at 11... There are some other players who could be on reserves such as Peter fulton, tim mcintosh, Jeetan patel... This is exciting but i am always upset with the number of injuries to the NZ players which do not let them perform at the highest level...

  • Arthaurian on October 28, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    This team has no backbone.

  • delta20 on October 28, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    I don't think NZ current team is as bad as it looked during Bangladesh tour... In fact, if properly managed, they are one of the most talented and upcoming batting order one could imagine... but they must let them settle for at least a year with no chopping and changing.. Can you imagine Jesse ryder and Brendon mccullum opening with Martin Guptill coming in at no. 3? Ross Taylor comes at no. 4 and Kane Williamson at no. 5 (Need to watch him, I am putting him here purely on his stats in cricinfo which seems awesome) while Daniel Flynn at 6... Vettori at 7, James franklin at 8, Tim southee at 9, Darryl tuffy at 10 and Chris martin at 11... There are some other players who could be on reserves such as Peter fulton, tim mcintosh, Jeetan patel... This is exciting but i am always upset with the number of injuries to the NZ players which do not let them perform at the highest level...

  • on October 28, 2010, 6:32 GMT

    A coach should never talk like this in public and media. Reminds me of GREG CHAPPELL. Chappell brothers had said Sachin should retire after WC. Funny to see the praises Ian chappell is now showering. Sachin made them eat their words. Why isnt the great JOHN WRIGHT taking over in NZ?

  • Ralp on October 28, 2010, 5:50 GMT

    Why can't you just admit that Bangladesh was the better side. Kiwies will be thrashed by India too.

  • Razor88 on October 28, 2010, 5:37 GMT

    Hmmm ??..... I really Don't know how the Kiwi players will react to this Media session.... but for a Coach to come out and fire like this,Tells how disappointed he is.... Obviously yes!!... For a team like New Zealand.... Its bad to be in the reciving end...... but what i thought is being a Coach you should rather yell at your players Inside 4 walls and not using Media. They are not going back home for a summer vacation to Rethink... they are here in India to play test... bad way to express ur disappontment, Especially when u r abt to take the No.1 Team on their backyard.... If they don't get together and rethink it will give india an ample chance to extend their lead Much more Before taking the Proteas....India will want to win this Series cause they will go to SA in a situation even if they lose badly they'll be on top... I am Die hard fan of NZL, Really Diappointed.... Hope the Ryder and McCullum gets goin in India.... They have the Perfect chance in these Flat Tracks

  • My.AlterEgo_U.Knw_dSarcastic.Bichy1 on October 28, 2010, 5:37 GMT

    NZ has been consistently playing in sub-continent for a few months. Tri-series in Lanka; then one day series in Bangladesh and now a long series of Tests and ODIs in India. It'll help them in WC-2011 !

  • on October 28, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    Kiwi opener must deliver that the where platform for good match , taylor , guptil,brendon,vettori, y grant eliiot not been picked ? they should have plan to play against any team , they playing like pakistan just go and play . I wish Kiwis to win this series... Best of Luck Mr Vittori and team ...

  • Saad_Parekh on October 28, 2010, 4:27 GMT

    Geratbach just demonstrated the same problem which he mentioned already(i.e. mind) when stating"given India's strong record at home two draws from the series would be a good result." This certainly means that they are assuming 1-0 defeat.New Zealand are not looking to turn the tables by start winning matches but want to keep their defeats to the minimal.

  • Ozcricketwriter on October 28, 2010, 4:24 GMT

    Bangladesh did play very well though and from what I can tell New Zealand fought hard. From Bangladesh's point of view, this has the potential to be the start of something great. If that turns out to be the case, then New Zealand shouldn't be so ashamed. NZ are only 1 ranking place ahead of Bangladesh now, and this was at home for Bangladesh, so it wasn't that bad...

  • Umamahesh_Srigiriraju on October 28, 2010, 4:05 GMT

    As much as I feel sorry for the Kiwis, I have no doubt that they will lose the series at least 2-0 and I won't be surprised if it's 3-0. Indians are playing like champions, though there are some areas where they are still circumspect. It is about time the numero uno seize the opportunity and play like one, i.e, steamroll the already down and out weaker teams ruthlessly and push them into oblivion. This is international cricket and there is no scope for mercy. There is not even a single name in the present team that comes to my mind who would inspire awe like The Great Martin Crowe or The Master Sir Richard Hadlee or The Menacing Live Wire Mr. Bond. Each one of the present Kiwi players is mediocre at best. There is a lot of talk about Daniel Vettori. I honestly feel that he is plain ordinary. I just feel sorry for these Kiwis that they have to have a series at this point of time in their lives against the best team in the world. The present Kiwis are just..... Lolll.....

  • Gazza038 on October 28, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    "It could be the best or worst thing that could happen." !?? I can accept that a team can actually on rare occasions, benefit from a loss. But I struggle to see how losing four in a row to Bangladesh could possibly be the best thing that could happen.

  • nlambda on October 28, 2010, 3:49 GMT

    Great confidence: two draws would be a good result!

  • BHARATLIFE on October 28, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    Okay! I have not seen the ODIs , but that does not mean we have to take all the credit away from Bangladesh. Over the past 3 years or so, their performances have improved significantly, they were threatening to win , they gave most of the teams they played at home a real tough time, even Sachin himself said " I think the Bangladesh bowlers did a very good job on this pitch" (This was in a Test match in January) . And who can forget the blazing of Tamim Iqbal against India, or the parsimonious spells of Razzak and Al Hasan ,i think this team is not too bad. I think they will be a team to watch out for.

  • Houley on October 28, 2010, 3:44 GMT

    Finally a bit of direct honesty. Good stuff, it's time NZ cricket stopped massaging egos. They players know they didn't front, and they've been called out now to perform. New Zealand will struggle to achieve good results in India, but all we are looking for is a show of backbone, and some fight and signs of development. And before Indian supporters start commenting about how Sacchin and VVS and the like will smash New Zealand- well we certainly appreciate the quality of your side, and it's a great honor to play them at this time. We don't need to be subjected to taunts that seem to pervade the forums on Cricinfo. We respect your side and have always had a great affinity for your playing style- hopefully you can show our side the same respect and understanding as we try to redevelop over the next few years

  • Runster1 on October 28, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    LOL. How low can they go????

  • Rohan.Dhanerwal on October 28, 2010, 3:30 GMT

    lol; Greatbatch seems to have lost aal the hopes from Kivis. They aren't that bad a team that he just hoped "Two draws would be a good result." He could have said it'd be good if we could draw the series. And why not, they have the best left arm spinner in their team. (if not all time best then at least Vettori is the best left arm spinner in present.) They have got better pace attack than India in Mills, southee, and Banette and got good batsmen in Taylor, Guptil, Vettori himself, Macullum and Williams also looking good. What they need to do is to apply themselves in these conditions. If they couldn't these will be one sided match unlike the nail biting matches against Australia.

  • sideee on October 28, 2010, 3:21 GMT

    3-0. 5-0.

  • Aussie-07 on October 28, 2010, 3:04 GMT

    give me a break if new Zealand can't win against Bangladesh do you think that it will be so easy to win again India. Let Australia which is a far better team tell you them the story of their last tour to India.

  • mike5181 on October 28, 2010, 2:44 GMT

    Lol shot Greatbatch....these guys McCullum, Ryder, Taylor are so up themselves...They need to take a reality check...they lost to bangladesh!!! 4 times!!! time to stop relying on natural talent and actually do some work, preperation to improve their performances. NZ needs to bring out the old ruler and smack a few hands.

  • on October 28, 2010, 2:25 GMT

    come on kiwis, pull your socks up lads, espescially you McCullum, Greatbatch is right, your a bit of an airhead, which is not a bad thing, put you gotta put the performances in the field to back the ego.

  • cricketpunk on October 28, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    Of course some of NZs batsman aren't good enough - but hang on... didn't you select them Mark?! As a NZ Cricket fan please never select Shanan Stewart again!!!

  • Sykesy_84 on October 28, 2010, 1:49 GMT

    Good on you Mark, no need to mince your words! Good to see you using the Laver & Wood gear too! Awesome stuff!

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  • Sykesy_84 on October 28, 2010, 1:49 GMT

    Good on you Mark, no need to mince your words! Good to see you using the Laver & Wood gear too! Awesome stuff!

  • cricketpunk on October 28, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    Of course some of NZs batsman aren't good enough - but hang on... didn't you select them Mark?! As a NZ Cricket fan please never select Shanan Stewart again!!!

  • on October 28, 2010, 2:25 GMT

    come on kiwis, pull your socks up lads, espescially you McCullum, Greatbatch is right, your a bit of an airhead, which is not a bad thing, put you gotta put the performances in the field to back the ego.

  • mike5181 on October 28, 2010, 2:44 GMT

    Lol shot Greatbatch....these guys McCullum, Ryder, Taylor are so up themselves...They need to take a reality check...they lost to bangladesh!!! 4 times!!! time to stop relying on natural talent and actually do some work, preperation to improve their performances. NZ needs to bring out the old ruler and smack a few hands.

  • Aussie-07 on October 28, 2010, 3:04 GMT

    give me a break if new Zealand can't win against Bangladesh do you think that it will be so easy to win again India. Let Australia which is a far better team tell you them the story of their last tour to India.

  • sideee on October 28, 2010, 3:21 GMT

    3-0. 5-0.

  • Rohan.Dhanerwal on October 28, 2010, 3:30 GMT

    lol; Greatbatch seems to have lost aal the hopes from Kivis. They aren't that bad a team that he just hoped "Two draws would be a good result." He could have said it'd be good if we could draw the series. And why not, they have the best left arm spinner in their team. (if not all time best then at least Vettori is the best left arm spinner in present.) They have got better pace attack than India in Mills, southee, and Banette and got good batsmen in Taylor, Guptil, Vettori himself, Macullum and Williams also looking good. What they need to do is to apply themselves in these conditions. If they couldn't these will be one sided match unlike the nail biting matches against Australia.

  • Runster1 on October 28, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    LOL. How low can they go????

  • Houley on October 28, 2010, 3:44 GMT

    Finally a bit of direct honesty. Good stuff, it's time NZ cricket stopped massaging egos. They players know they didn't front, and they've been called out now to perform. New Zealand will struggle to achieve good results in India, but all we are looking for is a show of backbone, and some fight and signs of development. And before Indian supporters start commenting about how Sacchin and VVS and the like will smash New Zealand- well we certainly appreciate the quality of your side, and it's a great honor to play them at this time. We don't need to be subjected to taunts that seem to pervade the forums on Cricinfo. We respect your side and have always had a great affinity for your playing style- hopefully you can show our side the same respect and understanding as we try to redevelop over the next few years

  • BHARATLIFE on October 28, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    Okay! I have not seen the ODIs , but that does not mean we have to take all the credit away from Bangladesh. Over the past 3 years or so, their performances have improved significantly, they were threatening to win , they gave most of the teams they played at home a real tough time, even Sachin himself said " I think the Bangladesh bowlers did a very good job on this pitch" (This was in a Test match in January) . And who can forget the blazing of Tamim Iqbal against India, or the parsimonious spells of Razzak and Al Hasan ,i think this team is not too bad. I think they will be a team to watch out for.