New Zealand news December 13, 2010

Vettori to remain New Zealand captain

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New Zealand are on one of their longest losing streaks, with 11 one-day defeats in a row, but the country's board has said that Daniel Vettori's position as captain is safe. NZC had called for improved performances after a 4-0 defeat to Bangladesh in October, and despite the continuing downslide in the team's performance, it has refrained from changing the captain.

"We need to go through a proper review and talk about what options there are to help the side improve," Justin Vaughan, the NZC chief executive, said, "but I'd be hard pressed to believe the captaincy would be one of those issues."

What was billed as the perfect World Cup build-up, with matches in each of the host countries, has turned into a disaster for New Zealand. The team failed to make the final in the tri-series in Sri Lanka in August and lost all matches in bilateral series against Bangladesh and India.

"I look back on this one-day tour [of India] as one of the worst tours for me as a New Zealand cricketer," Vettori said in Auckland. "That hurts a lot and it's embarrassing." He insisted, however, that there was no need for a new leader. "I enjoy doing the job, but if the team needs to move forward without me, then so be it. I don't think it's the right answer but there's a committee set up and I'm sure they'll make some decisions."

Former cricketers Martin Crowe and Shane Bond are among those on that committee, set up after the humiliating defeats to Bangladesh, to advise the board on promoting cricket at all levels - grassroots to elite - in New Zealand.

Mark Greatbatch's position as coach will be under scrutiny, and there have been calls for replacing him with former captain John Wright, who was successful during a four-year stint with India. "I understand people's desire to see him attached to the Black Caps because the New Zealand public loves John," Vaughan said. "He's had a proven international record and the Black Caps aren't travelling very well at the moment. But we are comfortable with the process we went with around the appointment of Mark and the way the team is operating with Roger [Mortimer, the NZC high-performance director] and the others."

Greatbatch, who took over in January, said he wanted to stay in charge at least until the World Cup. "If New Zealand Cricket decide that (sacking him) is the best way going forward I'd be happy with that," he said. "I'm still very keen. I came into this job with the World Cup in mind."

Later this month, New Zealand start a home series against Pakistan, which includes two Twenty20s, two Tests and six one-dayers, the final series for both teams before the World Cup.

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  • Digger007 on December 18, 2010, 4:28 GMT

    I think Nz have forgotten how to play one day circket because of too much 20/20 cricket of late. It seems ironic that we seem to have gotten beter at test cricket as a result. I dont think our low ranking in tests is deserved at the moment. I guess though its that we seldom win. A bit like the All Whites. If you look at a team like Australia though even in tests they are looking to score a lot faster than we do. The problem is that our batsmen get stuck in ruts and end up chewing up balls and then just get out which in my opinion is the worst thing particularly in ODI cricket. Its seldom someone who can justify doing that by scoring runs later on. Runs are what win you games, not dot balls. NZ batsmen get too creasebound, they need to move their feet, upset the bowlers rhythm. Keep the strike always ticking over. Form partnerships rather than individual scores. Block bash doesnt work. We have to learn to rotate the strike more, get the singles in between rather than glory shots.

  • cricinme on December 14, 2010, 13:17 GMT

    Nothing to panic NZ. You have a very good chance of re-grouping now that you are playing Pak, a team in doldrums, at your own venue. Give it your best shot and you are assured of a semi final spot in the world cup.

  • RajShaw on December 14, 2010, 5:54 GMT

    Funny how people forget that NZ did so well in the Tests. I don't remember India being stretched the way the Kiwis made us, other than by SAFs. You were way better than the Aussies, and you don't brag as much either!! I believe there is a huge amount of respect for the Kiwis in India. That you choose to look at your weak areas only increases our respect because it tells us that you have the right attitude, rather than bragging about the strong points. Good luck and keep the self criticism in balance.

  • SUNDOS on December 14, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    This kiwi team shouldnt press the panic button just yet.Ryder back in the squad,a lower middle order of Oram/Franklin/Vettori,the likes of Guptill and Mcullum to open the innings,Taylor recapturing some form,and brother Neil showed he had the skills on the slow pitches in India.A back to fitness Tuffey,with Southee and Mills should combine to make the Kiwis a force to reckon with.

  • xylo on December 14, 2010, 5:37 GMT

    congrats to the NZC on not doing an Australian-style knee jerk reaction. All they need is some time off of cricket and they should be in good stead for the World Cup.

  • on December 14, 2010, 4:49 GMT

    Jeepers some knee-jerk jerk comments...

    Apart from a bit of minor tinkering we are close to our best team, forget about blooding new players from HRV cup - completely different level of cricket. Vettori has to stay as Captain - noone else comparable for the job. Greatbach is the only one who should face the ax, but only if there is someone ideall suited to take over - ie J.Right, Rixon...not just another average coach. Else keep Greatback till end of World Cup.

    Out of form and lacking confidence - its been horrible to watch, but can change in an instant and will likely do so at home on our turf against the Pakis. We could well be firing by the World Cup with this group of players. I would rather see us get hammered in India and Bangladesh prior to the World Cup than it happen at the World Cup.

    Worst thing possible we can do is panic - and wholesale changes are panic.

    Keep cool eveyone!

  • Mr.Moody on December 14, 2010, 4:49 GMT

    @sri1ram; how many ODI & tests serieses india have won against NZ in NZ??? first check the stats then compare india and other teams!

  • we_are_the_warriors on December 14, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    Whoever said that Ryder should be captain needs their head read... Seriously, as if we don't have enough problems with New Zealand cricket already... There is no one standing up and ready to take over from Dan Vettori at present.. Even if we lost 25 one dayers in a row, there is no one else who could possibly be captain...

  • on December 13, 2010, 23:17 GMT

    It's pretty funny that people are already calling for guys like Milne and Noema-Barnett to be selected. Newsflash people, the reason Southee has gone downhill is because he was selected far too early and overcoached into the ground, let's not do that to one of the most destructive young batsmen and the quickest bowler in the country.

  • on December 13, 2010, 22:59 GMT

    I can see some balance in the top of the batting order is needed. Ryder, Taylor and Franklin need to be nearer the top order ie. 2, 3 and 4. They have proven they can develop an innings then put the motor on when needed. McCullum and Guptil can hit out early- and should play their natural games. There have been too many changes in this area.

  • Digger007 on December 18, 2010, 4:28 GMT

    I think Nz have forgotten how to play one day circket because of too much 20/20 cricket of late. It seems ironic that we seem to have gotten beter at test cricket as a result. I dont think our low ranking in tests is deserved at the moment. I guess though its that we seldom win. A bit like the All Whites. If you look at a team like Australia though even in tests they are looking to score a lot faster than we do. The problem is that our batsmen get stuck in ruts and end up chewing up balls and then just get out which in my opinion is the worst thing particularly in ODI cricket. Its seldom someone who can justify doing that by scoring runs later on. Runs are what win you games, not dot balls. NZ batsmen get too creasebound, they need to move their feet, upset the bowlers rhythm. Keep the strike always ticking over. Form partnerships rather than individual scores. Block bash doesnt work. We have to learn to rotate the strike more, get the singles in between rather than glory shots.

  • cricinme on December 14, 2010, 13:17 GMT

    Nothing to panic NZ. You have a very good chance of re-grouping now that you are playing Pak, a team in doldrums, at your own venue. Give it your best shot and you are assured of a semi final spot in the world cup.

  • RajShaw on December 14, 2010, 5:54 GMT

    Funny how people forget that NZ did so well in the Tests. I don't remember India being stretched the way the Kiwis made us, other than by SAFs. You were way better than the Aussies, and you don't brag as much either!! I believe there is a huge amount of respect for the Kiwis in India. That you choose to look at your weak areas only increases our respect because it tells us that you have the right attitude, rather than bragging about the strong points. Good luck and keep the self criticism in balance.

  • SUNDOS on December 14, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    This kiwi team shouldnt press the panic button just yet.Ryder back in the squad,a lower middle order of Oram/Franklin/Vettori,the likes of Guptill and Mcullum to open the innings,Taylor recapturing some form,and brother Neil showed he had the skills on the slow pitches in India.A back to fitness Tuffey,with Southee and Mills should combine to make the Kiwis a force to reckon with.

  • xylo on December 14, 2010, 5:37 GMT

    congrats to the NZC on not doing an Australian-style knee jerk reaction. All they need is some time off of cricket and they should be in good stead for the World Cup.

  • on December 14, 2010, 4:49 GMT

    Jeepers some knee-jerk jerk comments...

    Apart from a bit of minor tinkering we are close to our best team, forget about blooding new players from HRV cup - completely different level of cricket. Vettori has to stay as Captain - noone else comparable for the job. Greatbach is the only one who should face the ax, but only if there is someone ideall suited to take over - ie J.Right, Rixon...not just another average coach. Else keep Greatback till end of World Cup.

    Out of form and lacking confidence - its been horrible to watch, but can change in an instant and will likely do so at home on our turf against the Pakis. We could well be firing by the World Cup with this group of players. I would rather see us get hammered in India and Bangladesh prior to the World Cup than it happen at the World Cup.

    Worst thing possible we can do is panic - and wholesale changes are panic.

    Keep cool eveyone!

  • Mr.Moody on December 14, 2010, 4:49 GMT

    @sri1ram; how many ODI & tests serieses india have won against NZ in NZ??? first check the stats then compare india and other teams!

  • we_are_the_warriors on December 14, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    Whoever said that Ryder should be captain needs their head read... Seriously, as if we don't have enough problems with New Zealand cricket already... There is no one standing up and ready to take over from Dan Vettori at present.. Even if we lost 25 one dayers in a row, there is no one else who could possibly be captain...

  • on December 13, 2010, 23:17 GMT

    It's pretty funny that people are already calling for guys like Milne and Noema-Barnett to be selected. Newsflash people, the reason Southee has gone downhill is because he was selected far too early and overcoached into the ground, let's not do that to one of the most destructive young batsmen and the quickest bowler in the country.

  • on December 13, 2010, 22:59 GMT

    I can see some balance in the top of the batting order is needed. Ryder, Taylor and Franklin need to be nearer the top order ie. 2, 3 and 4. They have proven they can develop an innings then put the motor on when needed. McCullum and Guptil can hit out early- and should play their natural games. There have been too many changes in this area.

  • on December 13, 2010, 21:50 GMT

    Come the world cup anything could happen... But its hard to see Pakistan beating the black caps at home. NZ are still a far superior team despite recent results. Id like to see Mills, Southee replaced with some of these quick bowlers from the HRV cup (Names escape me) They need to be given a chance. I'm still not sure about Franklin, I've never seen him do anything except the last match against Inida. I wouldnt have him in my team

  • KrazyCricketKid on December 13, 2010, 21:34 GMT

    New Zealand Starting XI for ODIs:

    1.Brendon McCullum 2.Jesse Ryder 3.Martin Guptill 4.Ross Taylor 5.Scott Styris 6.James Franklin 7.Daniel Vettori 8.Nathan McCullum 9.Kyle Mills 10.Daryl Tuffey 11.Tim Southee

    New Zealand Will DESTROY Pakistan with this batting line-up. They can also do very well in the world cup with this starting XI.

  • on December 13, 2010, 20:57 GMT

    I didn't think the bowling and fielding (except the fourth game when NZ failed to defend 300 plus) was that bad in India - remember they were flat pitches and talented batsmen. As a NZ fan, it was the batting that was so disappointing!! Guptill, McCullum, Taylor, Stryris were all guilty of getting starts and throwing their wickets away. Lets hope they come back to NZ and start showing some application with the bat ahead of the Pakistan series.

    Its not all doom and gloom though, Franklin and Nathan McCullum put up credible performances. As I say, hopefully the others can find some form in the Pak series...

  • on December 13, 2010, 19:37 GMT

    New Zealand has such talented players i think they should give Kieran Noema- Barnett a call for PAK Series.

  • nzcricket174 on December 13, 2010, 14:32 GMT

    They should play Kieran Noema-Barnett in the T20s vs Pakistan. Read the headlines - he hit 50 off 14 balls and is a useful bowler. Even if he fails, at least they tried something instead of failing with guys who already have failed and will continue to fail. You follow?

  • raghu86 on December 13, 2010, 14:22 GMT

    franklin was the best batsman for nz in the series. He should be a permanent fixture now. And they should for once and all get rid of how, styris, elliot, mcintosh and hopkins, who are all 30+ and technically inept. Rather get in youngsters like brownlie or kitchen. Todd astle is a talented spinner and can be given a go. When do kruger van wyk and neil wagner qualify for nz? If not wyk, then De brooder should be the keeper. Team for pak series: guptill, mccullum, williamson, ryder, taylor, franklin, van wyk, vettori, tuffey, martin, mckay. Brownlie, kitchen, boorder, astle, wagner, mills, southee.

  • sri1ram on December 13, 2010, 14:05 GMT

    Hmmm, it would be funny to see NZ win a ODI series against Pak after losing to B'desh and India. Pak better be careful and all the very best to them, else they will relegate themselves among the bottom-most ODI teams!

  • amit1807kuwait on December 13, 2010, 13:47 GMT

    A team which has Vettori, Styris, McCullum, Taylor, and Ryder, is a team with quality players. If this team is losing, its not because of lack of skills, its because of improper man-management. Its an issue which NZC would need to address, because the slide started when John Bracewell was appointed and persisted with. All NZ cricket needs to do is to get the mental aspect of their key players right, and I am sure you would see the results reversed.

  • on December 13, 2010, 13:15 GMT

    A coaches job is to bring out the best in the players. We have a squad of proven ODI players not performing at the same time, so for me it is simply a reflection of the management structure failing. Sorry Greatbatch, its time to fall on your sword.

  • zn264 on December 13, 2010, 13:05 GMT

    Bring in the guy who smashed a 50 off 14 balls in the weekend (for CD I think) might help too...we need a big hitter back in the squad.

  • Gupta.Ankur on December 13, 2010, 13:03 GMT

    New Zealand has such a talented pool of players,that it came as a surprise that a new captain could even be appointed...

  • on December 13, 2010, 12:19 GMT

    Do they have any other choice?

  • on December 13, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    I am great fan of NZ.But i always get disappointed with there performance.You cannot Blame players they have top class players like Vettrio,Taylor,Ryder,Bond what they need is a World Cup.They should think "to hell with talent,technique,etc I want my Cricket World Cup and i will get it".They Should change there traditional attitude.

  • Something_Witty on December 13, 2010, 10:48 GMT

    It's not Vettori's fault that he has a bunch of irresponsible batsmen and an incredibly popgun bowling attack. Rather similar to the problem Ricky Ponting currently faces.

  • tompuffin on December 13, 2010, 10:34 GMT

    NZ really need to work on having at least half the team firing at one time, preferably 3 batsman and 2 bowlers, not 1 person carrying the entire team and the other department failing badly. I think the way in which the NZ batsman are getting out or just not doing anything is also quite worrying, things like getting run out and repeatedly playing similar shots straight to the same fielder, you would think that their coaches would tell them better. They have potential, but they need some self belief and much more discipline & practice

  • on December 13, 2010, 10:27 GMT

    @ICYMAN... the kiwis dint beat india on southafrican soil before the 2003 WC. Here the losses are on the very same surface the teams would face when they comenext year for the WC. For a kiwi resurgence, serious thinking has to be done as to what actually went wrong; for many of the players have faced indian conditions before... I wish them all the best against pakistan, yet it will be a tough opposition to beat. For pakistan this will be a very welcome victory post all the scams, as a preparation before the WC.

  • Point4 on December 13, 2010, 10:22 GMT

    NZ over the years have always amused me with their performances(performances are un definable using cricket logic)they went on a tour and drew 2 test matches in conditions as alien as they can get and lost all the 5 ODIs..well if a team wins ODIs and loses tests its understandable..They just dont have talent depth..but can any one explain this....obviously NZ drew matches because of their batting..and batting should win ODIs....and they have lost all the matches they played..amazing..step in John...this is a post from India where we know what you are capable of...

  • on December 13, 2010, 10:20 GMT

    I don't think up to nine of the NZ players deserve to be in the international cricket yet. Watch the HRV cup and then see for your self. Vettori don't let the people to play for New Zealand who are better than him. Bring Hamish Marshell back, Lue Vincent, Barnet is becoming a great player. if you compare this current team to the NZ domistic you will laugh at the Natioanal side. But I don't know who are the selectors. I defenetly believe that the selectors are not fully qulified for the job or they must be watching horse racing rather than cricket.

  • on December 13, 2010, 10:19 GMT

    Peter Fulton doesn't know one end of the bat from the other, he's useless. Ryder shouldn't be captain, not after his misdeeds over the past few years. Either Brendon McCullum should be skipper, or Danny stays on as captain. Simple. Bring Neil Broom into the Test side, he's shown that he's got what it takes in the NZ longer form of the domestic game.

  • on December 13, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    kiwis r very dangerous at the home grounds.Scot styris should be involved in odi captaincy as he is going nicely. For world cup newzeland should include Jacob oram and should ask bond to take his decision back

  • ForthRight on December 13, 2010, 9:57 GMT

    New Zealand are lucky that they are in a weaker group at the WC. Their group has 2 other ailing teams Aussies and Pakis. So the real challenge may not come before the quarters where it is always 50-50. I see them making to the semis atleast.....

  • kewlsnow on December 13, 2010, 9:51 GMT

    @Ammar : oh yes its 3 T20's... u r right..

  • Fast_Track_Bully on December 13, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    Hope Blackcaps will thrash Pakistan @ home.

  • on December 13, 2010, 9:48 GMT

    I have watched the One-dayers between NZ and and the Indian second-string team and it is clear that NZ was not outplayed as such. The batsmen simply gave away their hands ... the senior batsmen at that! Some players in world cricket believe that they are bigger than the game, and if New Zealand believes that this virus is beginning to creep into its team thsn something drastic must be done about it. When the team is in trouble, the two at the crease must play it safe until the score is respectable before trying to slaughter the bowling. How could one start to hook mere deliveries into an innings with the sde in trouble. Madness! We know that NZ is so much better thsn this!

  • kewlsnow on December 13, 2010, 9:47 GMT

    @Ammar : its 2 T20's... no team can play more than 2 T20's in a touring country in a year.. so if pakistan tours NZ they can play a max 2 T20's only..

  • zn264 on December 13, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    Vettori should stay as captain, but I don't think it would do much harm bringing in Wright...this has to be one of the worst calander years of NZ cricket I can remember, and we have had some shockers. We have the players who can do the job, just not the mindset to execute it.

  • anver777 on December 13, 2010, 9:32 GMT

    NZ team need a POSTMORTEM before they face Pakis.......11 consecutive losses??? to change the trend have to do something extra ordinary very soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why not bring back PETER FULTON & LUI VINCENT before the WC & make the top order a bit stronger.........

  • on December 13, 2010, 9:29 GMT

    pakistan will whitewash the kiwis ..

  • nzcricket174 on December 13, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    Who else would captain New Zealand? Roscoe? Ross Taylor isn't even ready to captain the team. At the moment he is struggling to find form and a captain needs to lead by example. Right now Vettori should remain captain but I think his selectors role should be stripped because he should not be doing it.

  • charia on December 13, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    ryder should be the captain

  • on December 13, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    Wrong fixtures. Its three Twenty20s, Two Tests and Six ODIs.

  • Icyman on December 13, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    The Kiwis could bounce back. Remember what happened to Team India before the 2003 WC. They lost to the Kiwis 2-0 in Tests and 5-2 in ODIs. But still India managed to reach the WC Finals. Kiwis need to believe in themselves-thats all

  • stunningseshu on December 13, 2010, 9:12 GMT

    vettori should remain captain forever till he retires, he only guy taking all responsibilities and suffering too.. we need to put lot of effort to other players, especially mccullum who gives away his wicket due to rash shots.no player taking serious in game... vettori is one man show always...

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  • stunningseshu on December 13, 2010, 9:12 GMT

    vettori should remain captain forever till he retires, he only guy taking all responsibilities and suffering too.. we need to put lot of effort to other players, especially mccullum who gives away his wicket due to rash shots.no player taking serious in game... vettori is one man show always...

  • Icyman on December 13, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    The Kiwis could bounce back. Remember what happened to Team India before the 2003 WC. They lost to the Kiwis 2-0 in Tests and 5-2 in ODIs. But still India managed to reach the WC Finals. Kiwis need to believe in themselves-thats all

  • on December 13, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    Wrong fixtures. Its three Twenty20s, Two Tests and Six ODIs.

  • charia on December 13, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    ryder should be the captain

  • nzcricket174 on December 13, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    Who else would captain New Zealand? Roscoe? Ross Taylor isn't even ready to captain the team. At the moment he is struggling to find form and a captain needs to lead by example. Right now Vettori should remain captain but I think his selectors role should be stripped because he should not be doing it.

  • on December 13, 2010, 9:29 GMT

    pakistan will whitewash the kiwis ..

  • anver777 on December 13, 2010, 9:32 GMT

    NZ team need a POSTMORTEM before they face Pakis.......11 consecutive losses??? to change the trend have to do something extra ordinary very soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why not bring back PETER FULTON & LUI VINCENT before the WC & make the top order a bit stronger.........

  • zn264 on December 13, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    Vettori should stay as captain, but I don't think it would do much harm bringing in Wright...this has to be one of the worst calander years of NZ cricket I can remember, and we have had some shockers. We have the players who can do the job, just not the mindset to execute it.

  • kewlsnow on December 13, 2010, 9:47 GMT

    @Ammar : its 2 T20's... no team can play more than 2 T20's in a touring country in a year.. so if pakistan tours NZ they can play a max 2 T20's only..

  • on December 13, 2010, 9:48 GMT

    I have watched the One-dayers between NZ and and the Indian second-string team and it is clear that NZ was not outplayed as such. The batsmen simply gave away their hands ... the senior batsmen at that! Some players in world cricket believe that they are bigger than the game, and if New Zealand believes that this virus is beginning to creep into its team thsn something drastic must be done about it. When the team is in trouble, the two at the crease must play it safe until the score is respectable before trying to slaughter the bowling. How could one start to hook mere deliveries into an innings with the sde in trouble. Madness! We know that NZ is so much better thsn this!