New Zealand v Australia, 2nd Test, Hamilton April 1, 2010

Ponting tells New Zealand how to improve

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Disappointing though the 2-0 result was for New Zealand, it wasn't a shock. They have not beaten Australia in a Test for 17 years and with a developing side, the chances of that changing on this tour were slim. The Trans-Tasman Trophy remains in Australian hands, as it has since 1987, and although there is no easy way for New Zealand to change that, Ricky Ponting had one idea when asked how his opponents could improve.

"Ask Bond to come back and play," Ponting said of the strike weapon who retired from Tests in December. "That would be a good start. They lack some pace I guess. We're lucky at the moment. We've got three guys who can all touch that high 140s barrier and Mitch Johnson is over that. Most teams around the world have at least one of those guys who can do that.

"They're generally the guys you go back to when you need to strike. With New Zealand probably a lot of that striking comes back to Dan [Vettori]. Dan has to be the guy to put his hand up to do a lot of that strike-bowling as well as try to keep it pretty tight."

There's no denying that New Zealand had bowling problems over the past fortnight. But as much as they might wish Shane Bond was sporting a black cap instead of the gold and purple of Kolkata Knight Riders, or that Iain O'Brien was at home and still playing instead of living in England as a county professional at Middlesex, the reality is they have limited resources with which to work.

Only once in the two Tests did they dismiss Australia, and the three leading wicket takers for the series were Ponting's fast men. Of New Zealand's seamers, Chris Martin and Daryl Tuffey grabbed one victim between them, Brent Arnel made a promising start without turning matches, and Tim Southee's six wickets in Hamilton was the most encouraging performance.

"Southee has the potential to turn into that sort of [strike] bowler," Ponting said. "He's a good new-ball bowler. He swings the ball. The more they stick with him the better he'll become. They are always competitive in the shorter forms of the game, I think Dan made mention coming into this game that he feels they are a bit stretched in Test match cricket against the better teams."

Their lack of wickets meant it was all the more important for the batsmen to step up and apart from a second-innings century from Brendon McCullum in Hamilton and Ross Taylor's record fast hundred in Hamilton, there wasn't much to cheer on that front. As with the bowling, the three top performers with the bat in the series were Australians, and the frustration for the hosts was players not capitalising on their starts.

No doubt that was linked to the quality of bowling from Johnson, Doug Bollinger and Ryan Harris. However, Vettori was disappointed with a lack of steel from the batting department, particularly in comparison to their opposition.

"We've seen examples of how Australia have done it with Katich and Hussey and on to Clarke and North," Vettori said. "They've just taken responsibility to get the job done and we didn't do that as often as we need to against Australia. As a Test match unit we've still got a lot to improve on."

For Australia, the series win meant a 7-0 result from eight Tests this summer and there were positive signs including the return to form of Marcus North, who averaged 105 in the two games. Harris' development was also impressive after he began the season injured and not in contention to play Test cricket, while Phillip Hughes' blazing 86 in Wellington was another plus.

"With Harris yes [we've learnt something], with Hughes, we've probably always known what he's got," Ponting said. "Having guys like Steve Smith and Clint McKay around the group for this tour, they would have learnt a lot as well. When you think we have Ben Hilfenhaus and Peter Siddle and those guys out on the sidelines, we have got great depth at the moment."

New Zealand would love to be in that situation. Until they find that depth, it's hard to see Trans-Tasman Trophy battles becoming much more evenly contested.

Brydon Coverdale is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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  • jezzricho on April 4, 2010, 4:42 GMT

    no1 cares indians! go talk about ur little ipl cricket game in the indian section, seriously your wasting your time leaving comments here as no1 listens to what u have to say

  • alltimecricketlover on April 3, 2010, 22:45 GMT

    talking from india's perspective, i appreciate that dhoni's revolution in the team, and focus more on youth is outstanding. his leadership abillity is examplery. definitely team would survive and perform even without sachin, but plz make no mistake and plz dnt forget that sachin dont have a hand in bringing india to rank #1. His sublime form definitely is a boost to the team. he scores for the team, and help others score. truly one of the gr8est sportsmen of my generation. But, india still have to achieve what aussies did. not without a reason for over a decade, every cricket lover called aussies "almost invincible". the day cricket lovers start saying that about india, I'd accept that yes, india also equalled the task. the fight for rank 1 is nothing, its about the quality of entertainment they provide to us cricket fans. waiting for australia vs india test matches. pure pure pure entertainment. cricket at its best. no offense meant, none taken

  • alltimecricketlover on April 3, 2010, 22:33 GMT

    see, gentlemen, with all due respect to aussies as well as indians in this argument. Iam a pakistani, and Iam speaking rationally. From where I see, aussies are NOT hyped up. they have held the top crown for a really long period of time. India is performing very well, rank 1 speaks volumes. BUT, having said that, we need to see if india can hold it there and be the kings like aussies did. Still, we need to appreciate the fact that australia's domestic cricket circuit is one of the best in the world. Their bench strength is still one of the best. Someone wrote in comments "hyped up" for aussies, plz try to appreciate the enormous amount of entertaiment aussies have provided to the cricket world over the past so many years. The feel of control and power about them is truly admirable.

  • kdcricket on April 3, 2010, 13:23 GMT

    @ Bollo Like it or not, the fact remains that draw is not a loss and you are gonna have more draws when teams face identical conditions "Home" or "Away". A decade for me is a good measure and in this decade India has better W/L in India against Aussies as compared to Australia in Australia against India. I would reiterate that subcontinent matches are played on identical tracks, so no team has the "Home Advantage". Further, lets not forget the RANK 1

  • gottalovetheraindance on April 3, 2010, 12:43 GMT

    BOB Bradley u sure u want some1 to test your batsmen more than how Kemar did Ponting @ Perth ? U guys are so full of it its not funny. im sure West Indies gave Aussies more of a challenge than Pakistan & New Zealand put together & that was without Jerome Taylor & Fidel Edwards & with Senior players carrying injuries & various personal issues we almost beat u guys 2-1 i rate Australia but they r not all they r hyped up 2 be U guys almost lost at least 4 of the 8 test matches u played this summer West Indies Pakistan & New Zealand just lack the ability to finish teams off once they get the upper hand

    if they do get that talent they may become 2 much for the mighty Aussies 2 handle

  • gottalovetheraindance on April 3, 2010, 10:28 GMT

    Satyam Ballyram apparently u are either biased or not reasoning properly when was the last time New Zealand or Pakistan, Sri Lanka or even England gave Australia as much of a fight in a test series in Australia as West Indies just did? And dont 4get our 2 best fast bowlers Jerome Taylor who got the cricinfo test bowling performance of the year award for 2009 and Fidel Edwards were injured. Kemar Roach had only played 2 tests against bangladesh. only Gayle Bravo Chanderpaul Sarwan and Ramdin had played test cricket in Australia b4 Sarwan & Chanderpaul had injuries Gayle was under tremendous amount of stress & pressure ppl were saying he should not have even been in the team much more captaining the side his mother was in the hospital with a serious heart condition & we almost beat Australia 2-1 in there own backyard so stop & think b4 u make erroneous comments. ok

  • on April 3, 2010, 10:13 GMT

    Many Pretenders say that what will happen to India after Sachin. Well.. nothing much... India started rising when...in the early 00's when Sachin was going down with his form and with the arrival of Sehwag, Zaheer and Yuvraj and under aggressive captainship of Ganguly. Then the subsequent arrival of Revolutionary Dhoni who changed the way India played cricket.. running between the wiks, better fielding and also had the guts to not include big name players like Ganguly, Dravid, laxman, Kumble who were slow on the field and btw the wiks. Dhoni transformed the young team without any big names (odis) from 07 and (tests) from 08 to be among the top two and now tests no.1.

    @Meety and other guys if you feel that Indian fans are insecure with thier negative comments on Ponting then why care to respond and bother....because they are facts and facts make YOU insecure.

  • jezzricho on April 3, 2010, 9:12 GMT

    y are there indians here talking about indian cricket? no1 cares!

  • Bollo on April 3, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    @kdcricket. Last 30 series for both countries actually only goes back to 1993. I don`t really buy your reasoning behind the amount of draws in India, and question your use of % losses as an acceptable measure of home dominance. Cricinfo uses W/L ratios for these stats, and they are as follows for home tests from 1 Jan 1993. India P78, W38, L14, D26 W/L 2.71. Australia P102, W72, L13, D17 W/L 5.53. ie. in that time Australia have won 5 and a half tests for every one they`ve lost, India have won 2 and a half. Hardly supports your statement `The fact remains that beating India in India remains tougher than beating Australia in Australia` .

  • kdcricket on April 3, 2010, 5:36 GMT

    @Bollo, Comparing match on match over the three decades mentioned by you(although 3 decades is a long time as India became truly professional(i.e funding to cricket and other such administrative issues post 1983 WC victory, in comparison Aussies have been playing cricket since the 19th century) The wickets in India, Pak n SL are similar and hence number of draws would obviously be high in series' involving these teams(pitches due to soil n weather being similar, are indeed similar). So if I calculate loss % for these three decades, for Australia in Australia it stands at 16.6% and for India in India it is 18.5%(source :cricinfo data), not too big a difference considering also the fact that India has played less number of tests and hence % variation per win or loss will be higher from now on(Aus had played 169 tests and India 119 test, lets see by the time India reaches 169 tests how things unravel). Drawn series' are also contributed more by matches between subcontinent teams.

  • jezzricho on April 4, 2010, 4:42 GMT

    no1 cares indians! go talk about ur little ipl cricket game in the indian section, seriously your wasting your time leaving comments here as no1 listens to what u have to say

  • alltimecricketlover on April 3, 2010, 22:45 GMT

    talking from india's perspective, i appreciate that dhoni's revolution in the team, and focus more on youth is outstanding. his leadership abillity is examplery. definitely team would survive and perform even without sachin, but plz make no mistake and plz dnt forget that sachin dont have a hand in bringing india to rank #1. His sublime form definitely is a boost to the team. he scores for the team, and help others score. truly one of the gr8est sportsmen of my generation. But, india still have to achieve what aussies did. not without a reason for over a decade, every cricket lover called aussies "almost invincible". the day cricket lovers start saying that about india, I'd accept that yes, india also equalled the task. the fight for rank 1 is nothing, its about the quality of entertainment they provide to us cricket fans. waiting for australia vs india test matches. pure pure pure entertainment. cricket at its best. no offense meant, none taken

  • alltimecricketlover on April 3, 2010, 22:33 GMT

    see, gentlemen, with all due respect to aussies as well as indians in this argument. Iam a pakistani, and Iam speaking rationally. From where I see, aussies are NOT hyped up. they have held the top crown for a really long period of time. India is performing very well, rank 1 speaks volumes. BUT, having said that, we need to see if india can hold it there and be the kings like aussies did. Still, we need to appreciate the fact that australia's domestic cricket circuit is one of the best in the world. Their bench strength is still one of the best. Someone wrote in comments "hyped up" for aussies, plz try to appreciate the enormous amount of entertaiment aussies have provided to the cricket world over the past so many years. The feel of control and power about them is truly admirable.

  • kdcricket on April 3, 2010, 13:23 GMT

    @ Bollo Like it or not, the fact remains that draw is not a loss and you are gonna have more draws when teams face identical conditions "Home" or "Away". A decade for me is a good measure and in this decade India has better W/L in India against Aussies as compared to Australia in Australia against India. I would reiterate that subcontinent matches are played on identical tracks, so no team has the "Home Advantage". Further, lets not forget the RANK 1

  • gottalovetheraindance on April 3, 2010, 12:43 GMT

    BOB Bradley u sure u want some1 to test your batsmen more than how Kemar did Ponting @ Perth ? U guys are so full of it its not funny. im sure West Indies gave Aussies more of a challenge than Pakistan & New Zealand put together & that was without Jerome Taylor & Fidel Edwards & with Senior players carrying injuries & various personal issues we almost beat u guys 2-1 i rate Australia but they r not all they r hyped up 2 be U guys almost lost at least 4 of the 8 test matches u played this summer West Indies Pakistan & New Zealand just lack the ability to finish teams off once they get the upper hand

    if they do get that talent they may become 2 much for the mighty Aussies 2 handle

  • gottalovetheraindance on April 3, 2010, 10:28 GMT

    Satyam Ballyram apparently u are either biased or not reasoning properly when was the last time New Zealand or Pakistan, Sri Lanka or even England gave Australia as much of a fight in a test series in Australia as West Indies just did? And dont 4get our 2 best fast bowlers Jerome Taylor who got the cricinfo test bowling performance of the year award for 2009 and Fidel Edwards were injured. Kemar Roach had only played 2 tests against bangladesh. only Gayle Bravo Chanderpaul Sarwan and Ramdin had played test cricket in Australia b4 Sarwan & Chanderpaul had injuries Gayle was under tremendous amount of stress & pressure ppl were saying he should not have even been in the team much more captaining the side his mother was in the hospital with a serious heart condition & we almost beat Australia 2-1 in there own backyard so stop & think b4 u make erroneous comments. ok

  • on April 3, 2010, 10:13 GMT

    Many Pretenders say that what will happen to India after Sachin. Well.. nothing much... India started rising when...in the early 00's when Sachin was going down with his form and with the arrival of Sehwag, Zaheer and Yuvraj and under aggressive captainship of Ganguly. Then the subsequent arrival of Revolutionary Dhoni who changed the way India played cricket.. running between the wiks, better fielding and also had the guts to not include big name players like Ganguly, Dravid, laxman, Kumble who were slow on the field and btw the wiks. Dhoni transformed the young team without any big names (odis) from 07 and (tests) from 08 to be among the top two and now tests no.1.

    @Meety and other guys if you feel that Indian fans are insecure with thier negative comments on Ponting then why care to respond and bother....because they are facts and facts make YOU insecure.

  • jezzricho on April 3, 2010, 9:12 GMT

    y are there indians here talking about indian cricket? no1 cares!

  • Bollo on April 3, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    @kdcricket. Last 30 series for both countries actually only goes back to 1993. I don`t really buy your reasoning behind the amount of draws in India, and question your use of % losses as an acceptable measure of home dominance. Cricinfo uses W/L ratios for these stats, and they are as follows for home tests from 1 Jan 1993. India P78, W38, L14, D26 W/L 2.71. Australia P102, W72, L13, D17 W/L 5.53. ie. in that time Australia have won 5 and a half tests for every one they`ve lost, India have won 2 and a half. Hardly supports your statement `The fact remains that beating India in India remains tougher than beating Australia in Australia` .

  • kdcricket on April 3, 2010, 5:36 GMT

    @Bollo, Comparing match on match over the three decades mentioned by you(although 3 decades is a long time as India became truly professional(i.e funding to cricket and other such administrative issues post 1983 WC victory, in comparison Aussies have been playing cricket since the 19th century) The wickets in India, Pak n SL are similar and hence number of draws would obviously be high in series' involving these teams(pitches due to soil n weather being similar, are indeed similar). So if I calculate loss % for these three decades, for Australia in Australia it stands at 16.6% and for India in India it is 18.5%(source :cricinfo data), not too big a difference considering also the fact that India has played less number of tests and hence % variation per win or loss will be higher from now on(Aus had played 169 tests and India 119 test, lets see by the time India reaches 169 tests how things unravel). Drawn series' are also contributed more by matches between subcontinent teams.

  • brian1 on April 3, 2010, 2:58 GMT

    Its always seems such a shame that when anyone good pops for NZ they either leave or get injured..

    Not that I'm a selecter or in anyway qualified, but just based on reputation how about this as a NZ test line Up:

    1. Lou Vincent 2. Guptil 3. Ross Taylor 4. Hamish Marshall 5. Styris 6. Oram 7. Brendan Mcullam 8. Dan the Man 9. Ian O'brian or Butler 10.Shane Bond 11. Mark Gillespie

    12th men: Mills, Flynn, Elliot, Southee

    Thats would a be a good team. Ricky's right you need SHANE !

  • Bollo on April 3, 2010, 2:07 GMT

    @kdcricket The fact remains that Australia has a far better home test record than India. Past 30 series, Aus has won 26 drawn 3 and lost 1. India won 19, drawn 8 and lost 3. The main reason people rave about India`s record at home is because it`s so much better than their abysmal away record - 34 wins in 213 overseas tests.

  • Meety on April 3, 2010, 0:48 GMT

    Sad to see so many negative comments from what appears to be fans of indian decent. Ponting's comment was a compliment to Bond and inferences about the IPL is reflective of the insecurities of the persons making the comments. My understanding of why Bond like Lee does not play test cricket anymore - is that their bodies cannot cope with 5 gruelling days of cricket. As far as India's world no 1 ranking - that is great for world cricket - but India has a long way to go before they are truely world champions, they drew a test series 1 all over two tests against South Africa, beat a rebuilding Australia and...... That's right nothing! I am happy that Tendulkar in the twilight of his career has helped India achieve their top standing in TEST cricket. It is now up to the BCCI to ensure that there is genuine measures in place to play top quality opposition regularly and not guard their ranking by beating up on Bangladesh, NZ & Sri Lanka. It would add some wight if India could win a World CUP!

  • cheesemethod on April 2, 2010, 22:08 GMT

    Bowling depth is a partical truth to the problem in NZ but its more the financial side.. Ryan Harris the new boy on the block was getting paid $120k/season for his services for the Queensland Bulls. Now hes on a base salary of over $400k wearing the baggy green. Add on sponsorship, bonuses etc and you've got yourself huge dollars.

    Shane Bond went for the cash in the IPL and I dont blame him, you need to look out for yourself and your familys future. I'm not sure what the NZC players salaries are but im guessing they are similar to the Australia club teams.

  • on April 2, 2010, 21:51 GMT

    Just to set the record straight in 2001: Is was the first test (Brisbane) where Aus scored 9/486, NZ 287, Aus 2/84, NZ 6/274 It was rain-affected. I don't know whether to think of the 2/84 as sporting or trying to get a result. Aus nearly came undone there, as Fleming, Astle and Cairns all fired in the last innings.

    2nd test, (Hobart) Aus 8/558, NZ 7/243. Washed out.

    3rd Test, (Perth) NZ 9/534, Aus 351, NZ 256, Aus 7/381 chasing 440.

    Despite there being no results, I thought it was one of the most evenly matched NZ/Aus series I'd seen.

  • on April 2, 2010, 17:54 GMT

    in my view new zealand are a bit like the west indies and pakistan espeacially there batting when it gets off they`re brilliant and then again as soon as one wicket falls the whole batting line up crumbles also i think there fast bowling attack blows hot and cold similar to the west indies only difference is that just like pakistan overall they`re a much better team than the west indies what needs to happen is that the NZ cricket board needs to take more responsibility and try to professionalize cricket in new zealand also there is to much responsibilty being put on the back of daniel vettori its proving to be a burden to both him and the team other players need to step up and take responsibility and start perfoming there roles or else new zealand cricket is going to end up like us in the west indies.

  • on April 2, 2010, 12:18 GMT

    As an Australian cricket fanatic, I would like to see a NZ strong enough to win test matches against Australia on a regular basis ... as is also the case with the West Indies. I want to see our Oz test batsmen tested out with genuine pace ... makes for much more riveting viewing. The likes of Daniel Vettori and Brendon McCullum (and Scott Styrus for that matter) continue to win fans in Australia for their in-your-face approach and never-say-die spirit ... but they need backup. Exposing NZ cricketers to an expanded Sheffield Shield (say Auckland & Wellington) and possibly Ford Ranger Cup/T20 Big Bash too would be a step in the right direction ... and imagine the possibilities of say Ashley Noffke opening the bowling for NZ. Not that it's a fair comparison, but NZ needs someone to do what Irene Van Dyk did for NZ netball :)

  • Barnesy42 on April 2, 2010, 9:21 GMT

    Damo82

    There is a comprehensive and very easy to use database of all test match results on this site. I recommend you learn to use it when you want to challenge that accuracy of an article.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on April 2, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    Sigh...I don't see why all the unnecessary animosity against Ponting's advice. I'm no fan of his either but trust me, if he gave me advice about my game, YOU BET I'D LISTEN. The guy is a great cricketer and even he would admit his attitude hasn't always been the best. AB Devilliers himself told a story of Ponting dissing him when he showed the excitement of playing against him BUT that doesn't change the fact that the man is great and his opinion deserves a listen. I don't agree that Bond should return, he's been injury proof but I do respect Ponting's opinion because he's got a point. For me, NZ should try changing the blue-print of their side (which is the point I've been trying to make the whole time) until they find good fast bowlers.

  • Damo82 on April 2, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    Seriously I have read atleast 3 articles where the cricinfo writers claim New Zealand have had a 17 year unsuccessful run in tests against their Trans-Tasman rivals. Everyone so quickly forgets that famous series where Steve Waughs men almost came away with a series loss. The Australian commentators like to sweep it under the rug also. First test was rained out New Zealand got lucky to escape rain saved them. Second test from memory was the one where last afternoon New Zealand cruising needed 50 odd to win 5 wickets in hand and Mcgrath bowled very close the wide line for the rest of the game (underarm anyone?). Third test from memory 4 New Zealand centuries in the first innings (Vincent, Fleming, Astle and Parore by memory) put up a mammoth first innings score and then cleaned up the Australians to win very convincingly. The Australians then won the last test I believe. Am I dreaming or did this test series really happen? Does anyone recall it. Obviously cricinfo doesnt!

  • just_cricket on April 2, 2010, 5:20 GMT

    @Damo82 you might want to get a grip of your own stats. That 3 test series was drawn 0-0. It is true that NZ have not won for 17 years.

  • Ragav999 on April 2, 2010, 5:04 GMT

    @Damo82: NZ did not win a test in 2001 in Australia. LOL!!! You need to get a grip on the stats that you think you know. The series was drawn 0 - 0. All three test matches were drawn. And the thing about McGrath bowling wide to McMillan. It was a very sporting declaration from Aussies compared to Nz declaration in 3rd test which gave Nz a sniff. It was not as if Nz dominated the test. Aussies declared at 84/2 in their 2nd innings.

  • __PK on April 2, 2010, 4:56 GMT

    Has anyone captained more Test victories than Ponting? No? Then shut up and listen to the most knowlegable captain in history speak. If you disagree with him, you're probably wrong, otherwise it would be you with his record. End of argument. The history books don't lie.

  • jezzricho on April 2, 2010, 4:39 GMT

    Look ppl they asked ponting a question and he answered by saying they need bond..what is so bad about that? nothing! its true they need him back because he is there best bowler by a fair margin.

    SOOOO to all those sad ppl out there who love to whinge over nothing..get help!

  • kdcricket on April 2, 2010, 4:00 GMT

    My only issue with Punter's statement is the fact is that he does not mind his own business and goes about stating the obvious impossible, which do not add and value to anyone. Actually, he should have got Warne and Mc Grath back post Ashes(he lost 2 of those BTW...loss to England!!!!!!) and SA series loss. See that is an example of an impossible obvious that added no value.

  • kdcricket on April 2, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    Well, then on the flipside, what great did Australia do? India has drawn just 1 series in last 15 years in Oz(and lost everything else) and Oz have won just one series in last 15 years in India(and lost everything else). So lets not bring the point of winning in Australia here. The fact remains that beating India in India remains tougher than beating Australia in Austrlia. Phuleez... Y Pathan is never taken in the team due to his bowling and Jadeja has been a consistent performer before and after the IPL, with no visible change due to IPL. Greg Chappell, should be made the coach of Austrlia, that'll make a lot of Indians happy ;). Dennis Lille hardly spends any time @ MRF, it is more of the efforts of T A Shekhar. Further MRF is more on line of AIS, i.e. it is a global organisation, instead of being restricted to Indian market only.

  • not-fan-but-fanatic on April 2, 2010, 3:38 GMT

    i dont think katich huges ponting clarke husey evn are in the same level of sachin dravid laxman gambir shewag ....and there is no point lukin at stats and boastin about as everyone knows that india should have won Australia in their home if not for the sydney test drama....

  • Damo82 on April 2, 2010, 2:32 GMT

    17 years since New Zealand won a test against Australia LOL!!! They won a test in 2001 in Australia and almost beat them 2-1 in the series, bar some wide bowling from Glenn McGrath to deny Craig McMillan a victory on the final day. So 17 years get a grip of your own stats please. The test series in Australia was drawn 1-1 in the end.

  • Sakib241 on April 2, 2010, 2:19 GMT

    @kdcricket: Well, the fact that India is yet to win a test series in Australia gives him that right. And also check who runs the MRF pace foundation in India. Da.....Denis Lilly And who has been working with young indian spinners like mishra and giving india new stars like Y.Pathan and R.Jadeja. Ans......Shane Warne. And who stuck with raina and and other youngstars when you guys were shouting to get them out.........remember greg chapell. What's common among all of them? They are all Australians. So, being competitive is alright but being ungrateful and naive is just not on. I guess you'll love to have Ponting as a batting coach. Because after Tendulkar retires I only see a downward spiral for India.

  • Mobiasprime on April 2, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    Of course we all want Bond to play, but really as the cookie crumbles in our country, you don'y earn anything playing tests compared with ipl. The past prestige of representing your country in the most challenging form of the game has been lost. As a country of just 4 million we cant be too hard as there arn't the numbers available for selection or plenty cricketers that would rather play socially than competitively. I speak for all kiwis that would really love to see another 145kph bowler in the black caps line up. But Vitori has just got use the tools he's got. I think we have seen Chris Martins last test he was bowling naked long hops. Just a pity he wasnt bowling with the same venom as he is capable of. When he bends it both ways hes on song. The rise of Tim Southee has been a small shining light and was surprised with Arnel. I didnt like our long tail, like we need an all rounder to fill in the gaps. Nz with the test lineup looked too bottom heavy against the Aussies too.

  • Deepfreezed on April 2, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    I think NZ did very well. They didn't get trashed like the PAKs. PAK had quality bowlers. There is no doubt AUS is the best Test team around. Everyone likes to dis the super power but that is what what they are in Cricket. No one can even think of beating AUS right now. They can talk about it but when it comes down it it, they all have no hope.

  • Sakib241 on April 2, 2010, 2:10 GMT

    @the_blue_android: I think lot of people has misunderstood the punter here. Australia had the same problem with Shane Watson like NZ is having with Shane Bond. Look at Watson now. He's opening the batting and bowling both in ODIs and Tests. Shane Bond's retirement is a failure of NZ cricket medical staff. THat's the point.

  • Fydd on April 1, 2010, 23:52 GMT

    a lot of the problem with NZ bowling is that our batting is so awful that we prepare these flat pitches that then take away our strength in medium paced seam bowling. in the past, our batters could often cope better with seaming pitches than many overseas sides, but now it would be just embarrasing.

    NZ does not have the population base nor climate to produce quality fast bowlers who can take wickets on flat pitches. the english are importing a lot of their side from overseas, and so should we. i think we should really look at importing Ozzie quicks into our side. we should scout for talented fast bowlers who are playing grade cricket in Ozstralia but are out of favour with the state selectors. there would be many playing grade cricket in Oz that would be faster and better quality than the current NZ mob. sure, the money in NZ is not as good but at least some would be lured over with the opportunity to play first class cricket consistently and then qualify for test cricket.

  • satyameansSRT on April 1, 2010, 23:46 GMT

    Hellooooooooooooo, Mr. Punter U r the Best fielder/batsman/cricketer but .....plz don't mind. we shud help each other in the time of difficulty............. I am always happy but sometimes get angry. bcoz everyone has different personality and everybody shud stick to that but that shud be in a helping purpose................jai ho

  • Winsome on April 1, 2010, 22:47 GMT

    People getting grumpy about Punter, please read the first paragraph and see what it says. That he was asked his opinion on how New Zealand could improve.

    Bond has loads of cred with the Aussies so it is understandable that Punter would say that, even if it was a little thoughtless. But he is right about them needing a more varied attack as he is about Southee. Southee needs proper mentors as he is still green at this level. But he looks like he could be a very useful performer in time for New Zealand. Strong and gets movement on the ball.

  • sanban80 on April 1, 2010, 21:37 GMT

    come on Ponting, grow up.

  • on April 1, 2010, 21:30 GMT

    ah! did he not get a century in the series? :)

  • Jarr30 on April 1, 2010, 20:18 GMT

    Ponting needs to learn some good sportsman spirit & fair play from New Zealand. Daniel Vettori is known worldwide for his sportsmanship unlike Ponting. I don't see the need for Ponting to advise us. If I remember right Aussies were hammered by India in India 2-0(tests), lost a home test series against SA(2-1) and also lost the Ashes. If their team can't win against the top 3 teams then Aussies aren't good either...huhh.

  • Futurrackz on April 1, 2010, 18:15 GMT

    I think a few of the good domestic spinners in India like Ojha, Chawla, Mishra or M.Karthik who are pretty decent spinners and good enough to be a part of any test side and are not getting enough opportunities cause of the name rather then performance policy in India should migrate to NZ, this shall definitely help them to learn play spin well and also allow them to bowl spinners in tandem which eventually will give them striking ability. Jeetan Patel is an Indian but does not have a potential or variety of a good spinner Also Sreesanth is a good test bowler and has got late outswing. He's the only Indian player bowling at 140's even after 2 years of cricket. I think NZ board should think on the matter seriously. It's just like outsourcing which is just a common term around the world. "Better People, Better Results"

  • nashdwaj on April 1, 2010, 17:47 GMT

    I just cannot tolerate Ponting's attitude about this. The reason Gilchrist, Hayden and Symonds have retired is because of Ponting's ego. Ponting now acting like a saint who despise the IPL money, but why then did come to IPL-1 in the first place. He has bought out i.e he has received the money but does not have to play. Why don't he just reject the money. Now after receiving the money he does not others to make some money. He tried to influence retired players, they said "no way mate". now he is targeting Bond? why ...? should bond and his family not have a secure life after cricket. Does only Ponting and his family need to be happy? He is no legend, he is pathetic. Pathetic Ponting.

  • waitara on April 1, 2010, 17:07 GMT

    What Ponting meant was, NZ needs a good fast bowler or two. This is true. Let's not knock the guy for voicing that. Sounds like he is mellowing a bit - must be nearing retirement!

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on April 1, 2010, 15:51 GMT

    No disrespect to persons not willing to entertain my comparisons, as I said don't take it too literally but at least take the time mention why the comparison is oh so hideous. Do Bang and Sri Lanka have a tear-away, penetrative fast bowler for test...um let me see...NO. Which is their stronger suit...batting? YES. Is their best bowler a spinner? Oh ho...correct again. Now Bond is retired do NZ have a tear-away or penetrative test pace bowler? According to Ponting...NO. Is Vettori their best bowler? No doubt! Is he a spinner? Shockingly yes! Do I think that they should pick an extra bat like Kane Williamson or Jesse Ryder in place of one of their non-penetrative bowlers until they groom or find 1...makes sense to me. Should they spend more of their net sessions on batting? I suggest it. You can disagree but that is why I made the comparisons. If you have reasons against the comparison please state them rather than just say "chaulk and cheese" or "worthless" comparison.

  • Rukus_NZ on April 1, 2010, 15:43 GMT

    As random as this may seem; due to people talkin about bowling speeds in this thread... Look at MOHHAMAD ASIF (not sure on spelling) that played for PAKISTAN in the tests VS AUS earlier in the year... sure pakistan got owned but I clearly rembering him holding the ball up a high, from a destroying 5 WICKET HAUL.... THIS is what NZ needs to do, push thier young into the HARDCORE TEST arena... too loing have we leaned on our older players. The man was 17 years old... I think southee/ is a great asset to keep NZ afloat, but afloat is very close to sinking. To get past this, and beat India (as the next 2 tests series for NZ are VS bangadesh and India) we need to get some youth dominating at a serious level... if NZ play with the likes or Martin against India to get his monumental 200 tests wickets, I can almost predict he will get his beans for some personal milestone at the games expense.. Did anyone else see, martin got 4s thrashed off him as he never aims at the wicket....?? or just me

  • Auckland_New_Zealanders on April 1, 2010, 14:14 GMT

    Ponting was merely answering a question honestly and in fact being quite gracious towards his hosts. Other, less excitable, media outlets in NZ and Australia reported it as such. That Cricinfo has chosen to spin the story, suggesting anti- IPL sentiment from Ponting, is at best mischievous, and at worst suggests a growing partiality towards the IPL which is impacting cricinfos credibility amongst those who take cricket seriously. The anti -Ponting vitriol that this has whipped up embarrasses those that indulge in it, he will go down as one of the 3 great batsmen of his generation, and people who understand cricket should respect those achievements, and stop dreaming up perceived slights against the IPL. Frankly, his choice to put international cricket ahead of his own personal wealth increases his standing in the eyes of cricket aficionados around the World, whilst Tendulkar, Kallis and their ilk, only grow their reputations with those who miss the true essence of the sport.

  • JimDavis on April 1, 2010, 14:00 GMT

    It is all well and good to use the population numbers as an excuse, but this NZ team would be mid table at best in the Shield. Australia's set up isn't based on having 20 million people to chose from, its having a sound junior set up, identifying 20-30 good young ones (which at 17-18 are not that much better than their NZ counterparts and generally below those from Pakistan) and then developing those in the hope that you will get one, maybe two from the same year to be a regular in the baggy green. These days it is very rare for an Australian to make it to the top without having gone through this path. Taking Slugworth's idea one step further, maybe it is time to down grade the NZ domestic set up to only two first class teams (North and South - with all other existing teams acting as feeders to these teams) and get them to join the Oz domestic set up in the same way as a number of other sports have done, to the benefit of their respective codes at a National level.

  • Octa on April 1, 2010, 13:29 GMT

    Ponting was making correct observations. NZ miss a genuine strike bowler. McKay will take that role as soon as his injury heals fully. He is also correct that Southee is one of the best young bowling talents i have seen for quite a while - his game is developing all the time at this new international level, he will be a great asset and consistently bowl in the early 140s over the next few years - with swing. We need to keep the faith.

    Ryder coming back is great news he is class. He as well as Taylor have time to play the ball even against genuine quicks.

    What irks me the most is NZ cricket seem to think they owe an explanation for losing to the aussies in test cricket - they dont. To say things like the top order just has to dig deeper etc is underplaying the massive influence Mitchell Johnson had on that final test. That was his best bowling for nearly two years! He was bowling with great accuracy at great pace and late swing.

    We need to pick quality players and stick with them!

  • manasvi_lingam on April 1, 2010, 13:17 GMT

    Bond certainly ought to have put country ahead, but given the large no of injuries he's suffered, I suppose it is understandable why he wants to cut down on his bowling load.

  • Vindaliew on April 1, 2010, 13:00 GMT

    I think Ponting was just mocking New Zealand. Asking Shane Bond to return is not something New Zealand can help, and even if they could there's no guarantee the process wouldn't just break him forever. Ponting is saying, effectively, "you're nothing without the bowler you've just lost". He could care less about whether New Zealand improve.

  • sandy_bangalore on April 1, 2010, 12:50 GMT

    @MumbaiIndian: The very fact that the speedometer showed an un known like Jadav bowling 140 plus shows that the gizmos here are an even bigger joke. I guess people like you fawn on the commentary given by the likes of LAxman siva and arun lal, and thionk that Lalit modi is the greatest human being ever lived. And btw, our India team's bench strength in bowling has been completely exposed in this IPL. Manpreet gony made it to the indian team 2 yrs back, and now look slike some county trundler. And who a re the others who can replace zaheer(who's the only world class paceman)? The likes of nehra and munaf(who are unfit in 2/3 depts of the game), sreesant who's forever injured and the 120 km.hr bowling vinay kumar! Look at the Indian attack first and then talk about the possible impotency of Aussie bowlers in India.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on April 1, 2010, 12:45 GMT

    @IanJF. If you think the comparison is "worthless," that is fine, it is your opinion but you have 1000 words in which you can explain why you think it's worthless but you chose not to, that to me suggests maybe you didn't put enough thought into it. As i correctly stated it is not a comparison to take too literally but If you take full notice, you will realise that Sri Lanka and Bangladesh BOTH LACK PENETRATIVE TEST FAST BOWLERS, something that Ricky Ponting thinks NZ also lack. Sri Lanka however, due to a powerful batting line up and a good spinner or 2 are ranked higher than NZ and are better by some way and Bang have improved their credentials via strengthening and lengthening their batting, so surely the comparison may not necessarily be that bad. Ind learned to rely heavily on their batting even b-4 Zaheer improved no? I think that till NZ groom another Bond-like bowler, they should concentrate on their batting rather than promote too many medium fast, non-penetrative bowlers.

  • the_blue_android on April 1, 2010, 12:39 GMT

    @Dinosaurs - Whatever Ponting says is NOT attacked as being dictatorial or against IPL, but its stupid. Any random bloke who followed a bit of cricket for the last 10 years knows what Shane Bond as gone through. Ponting assuming that Bond has the fitness to endure Tests and suggesting he shoud be playing for IPL is not only rude but stupid. Does he mean Bond could have played the tests, but instead gone to play IPL? Bond deserves to play in IPL and make his buck and take care of his family.

  • ezzanevawaz on April 1, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    80% of NZ's problem is in the bowling.Ponting is dead right.He only brought up Bond because , Bond is the only NZ bowler to ever really earn the Aussies respect. NZ can't bowl a side out most innings. Even if they could bat better and score big, that'd just mean a draw.There need to be incentives to encourage quick bowlers.Get in the schools, find the talented guys and work with them to stay in the game.Im guessing no one's being offered enough $ to tear in and bend their back 20 overs a day @ 145+ kph.They leave school and get a job which limits the time they can commit to training.The few NZers who really excel at that mental discipline tend to be from the larger funded sports or the non team events where the individual claims success with victory , not the team. I believe we've reasonable depth in batsmen although consistency is a problem and mental toughness.?Come on NZC .Get ball speed radar's along to the clubs and schools and find the quickies before they give it away.

  • kdcricket on April 1, 2010, 12:10 GMT

    Ponting, Ponting, Ponting...grow up now and realize the fact that having three 140+ kmph bowlers in your armory does not give you the number 1 ranking and a license to preach. Shane Bond has had a injury laden career and his decision should be respected. Your grand average of 20.85 in India (worse than that of many lesser players from subcontinent in Australia)should also stop you from running your mouth at every possible occasion. Trust me, your fast bowlers are all fresh out of blocks and yet to face an injury(except Siddle, whose"PACE" has come down post injury) which in due course of time will happen(like it or not). We'll see what happens then. NZ is a weak team in test matches, but entertaining nonetheless. In ODIs they are a force to reckon with though...

  • NISH67 on April 1, 2010, 12:00 GMT

    Typical of Ponting to say something totally irrelevant as bringing Bond back . although Bond performed at test level when he played , he was never a major part of NZ test teams because of his injury problems over the years and I agree with the person who said ponting is casting an indirect missive on the IPl cause we all know how he feels about the league since his contract was bought out . Also whats this comparison from neutral fan regarding Sri Lanka and Bangladesh . No disrespect to Bangla cricket but the achievements of these 2 countries are like chalk and cheese .

  • EddyM on April 1, 2010, 11:42 GMT

    Ponting makes some very valid points. He isn't making any remarks about the IPL, just stating that Bond is the only fast NZ bowler and NZ would be better off having him playing for them. How old was Courtney Walsh when he retired? About 40 and he was still doing the business for the WIndies.

  • jh13 on April 1, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    It annoys the hell out of me to hear people having a go at Shane Bond for not playing Test cricket. The guy has suffered a plethora of long-term injuries throughout his career and it's clear that his body can't handle the impact of five days of cricket. If you recall he did return to Test cricket recently, bowled brilliantly and promptly got injured after which he retired from the five-day game. If I was him after the way he was treated by NZC at the beginning of the whole ICL saga I wouldn't even have wanted to have anything to do with New Zealand cricket ever again but such is the loyalty and passion the guy has for his country he came back and will hopefully lead our attack in the shorter form of the game for some time to come.

  • Gupta.Ankur on April 1, 2010, 11:33 GMT

    Well players from Aus,Eng,NZ have always done so for cash..........on one hand they need assurances to play official series in sub-continent on other hand current and former players are happy to be part of IPL..........

    On other hand there's no need to bring Bond for test as he will not be able to take the burden of test bowling,he will get injured...........

  • min70 on April 1, 2010, 10:59 GMT

    Watling looks like the goods; he's a fighter and he can keep a bit too. Now we just need to find someone to open with him! Ryder and Taylor are going to score a mountain of runs over the next 5-10 years, and there's some good young batsmen coming through with the likes of Guptill and Kane Williamson.

    Our bowling attack is a work in progress after losing Bond and O'Brien this year. Newcomer Andy McKay looked good in the one dayers -- aggressive and 145+ consistently. Will need backup from Southee and Co.

    The news isn't all bad for the Black Caps.

  • Bytheway on April 1, 2010, 10:51 GMT

    Sure New Zealand need Bond -- James Bond!

  • bonner on April 1, 2010, 10:50 GMT

    I don't think it is such an issue. N.Z. cricket secretly love getting whipped by the Aussies same as how Poms secretly love their miserable weather. Having something to moan about is kind of fun. In a few years the Kiwis will get 1 great batter and 1 great bowler to skittle the Aussies and it will seem all the sweeter for these years of pain. Then back to business as usual for the 20 years or so following while the All Blacks kick the Wallabies ass to all corners. It was encouraging to see the major sponsor announce a grant to go to cricket clubs in NZ but overall I don't think there is too much wrong with NZ cricket generally - as long as the fans enjoy their day on the hill and the sports pages get filled what else matters?

  • ShivYorker on April 1, 2010, 10:41 GMT

    punter has forgotten some thing. they lost series against the big teams like India and South Africa (abd the famous Ashes also) in the last two years. beating weak teams is not a big deal.

  • slugworth on April 1, 2010, 10:29 GMT

    I think New Zealand needs to reduce its domestic comp in the 4 day and one day programme, down to 4 teams. And keep the 20/20 comp to 6 teams but these teams are franchised out. are more city based orientated North Habor, Auckland, Waikato, Wellington, Cristchurch and Dunedin.

  • Deepak_Sachin on April 1, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    Ask the so called fast bowlers to come to india.the speedometers in australia is a bunch of waste.LOOK AT SHAUN TAIT.the worlds fastest bowler bowling 139 km/hr and our indian rookie UMESH YADAV bowling faster than him.Mitchell Johnson is a wayward bowler whom cannot always depend on.Let them first displace SA and INDIA from the top 2 spots and then "TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING OTHER TEAMS which is none of the oz business.

  • dinosaurus on April 1, 2010, 9:51 GMT

    I read an article today which made the point that, even if you could show pictures of the footprints the astronauts left on the surface of the moon, that would not be enough to satisfy the conspiracy theorists. It's like that with some of the people who comment here. Whatever Ponting says is attacked as being dictatorial or, even worse in their minds, directed against the IPL. He was asked to make suggestions and he had the manners to reply honestly to his hosts. Does that count as aggressive nastiness with these people?

  • youfoundme on April 1, 2010, 9:36 GMT

    I agree with everything that Ponting has said. But Bond isn't our only 140km+ bowler, McKay and Wagner can hit over that mark consistently and with a lil bit more work Southee will be able to as well. The next time we contest the Trans-Tasman trophy I will be hoping for a squad like this - 1. Watling 2. Guptill 3. Williamson 4. Taylor 5. Ryder 6. Vettori 7. McCullum 8. Tuffey 9. Southee 10. Wagner/Boult 11. McKay

  • Quazar on April 1, 2010, 8:49 GMT

    Bit of a cheap shot againt Bond. Guys like Bond, Lee and Flintoff have been very unfortunate with injuries over their careers. Further, being ~35, they have taken very pragmatic decisions for themselves & their families. NZ now have to focus on developing / grooming the next generation of quality cricketers.

  • cook on April 1, 2010, 8:19 GMT

    I don't see it as Ponting gloating or whining. He was asked how NZ could improve and he gave his opinion. Is he supposed to say "no comment". How boring would that be. And he is right, they need a fast bowler at 150+. They have too many bits and peices players. They haven't got any real outstanding players. Unfortunately there is no quick fix. They need to try and somehow get players from their domestic competiton to step up to international level, which they struggle with.

  • IanJF on April 1, 2010, 8:13 GMT

    Maybe the NZ board has to spice it up in this calm n laid back countryside.. You never know what kinda youngsters will pop-up.. As to Ponting I guess hes somewhat fair in being the 'Dictator' that he is but you've gotta admit, he loves blowing this horn of hes.. And dear _NEUTRAL_Fan_ Whats this with putting SL and Bang in the same sentence to justify some worthless comparison ??

  • PulteneyJeff on April 1, 2010, 8:11 GMT

    Its good to see comments made to help NZ with constructive comments. IMHO Bondy is the only Enzed quicky worth playing.

    It might be blasphemy but would it help NZ cricket if they arranged for someone to spend time in Oz, Sth Africa England or India to learn their trade in a tougher environment. The NZ Provincial comp doesnt seem to produce the goods. An alternative would be to bring a player/s into NZ. Imagine the ipact of a Shaun Pollock, Glenn McGrath or Andy Flintoff in coaching and improving the local talent.

    The NZ''s I would keep are Guptill, Taylor, Ryder, McCullum & Vettori. Might be a few more with talent if they put in some work.

  • on April 1, 2010, 7:57 GMT

    @ Maddy - there's nuth'in wrong in punter suggest'in for bond .... but ya just re-read it once again and even 1 2 year old kid can make out it an anti-IPL comment .... he is si*ck over IPL's popularity and above all, popularity without be being there .... Bond's 34+ .... can ya explain how long shall a fast bowler play more? .... If he's earning b4 he hangs up his boots completely, whats wrong in dat? .... Haydos & Gilly blast the white ball like anyone even today .... why doesnt he ask THEM to come back?

  • Nuxxy on April 1, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    Ricky "April Fools" Ponting says...

  • Alexk400 on April 1, 2010, 6:54 GMT

    Import from south africa. England does shamelessly. NZ has to give citizenship to indian domestic batsman , also they can always steal few aussies.

  • trenta01 on April 1, 2010, 6:51 GMT

    I dont think Ponting is having a go at the IPL here, he is merely stating fact that NZ's best bowler has deserted them for cash. If people cant accept that then they are denying the facts of the IPL a business which uses cricket as an advertising tool. Which cares not for the game and is run at the detriment of International cricket perhaps when a Dhoni or Sehwag maybe those of you that feed cash to the coffers of lalit Modi will realise how it all works.

  • vasudevpm on April 1, 2010, 6:40 GMT

    Australian captain is talking something which is not his business. If in that case when Australia slumped to 3rd position in the rankings, they should have called back Hayden, Gilchrist and Shane who were the pillars of the great australian side led by Ponting. So let him do that first before advising other teams.

  • on April 1, 2010, 6:32 GMT

    NZ need to improve their middle order and top order

  • Maddy2 on April 1, 2010, 5:52 GMT

    Some of the people here are clearly showing a knee jerk reaction to Ponting's comment....What is wrong in suggesting about Bond?. As Ponting said, you need at least one bowler to strike fear in the opposition with his "pace". Just look at the IPL itself, every team except CSK has a fast bowler in their ranks and see how the CSK bowling struggles.I agree the IPL gets a lot of money but I feel the BCCI has to sit down with the other boards and come to an agreement where all the international players are available for the entire IPL....in other words....plan this accordingly so that it does not interfere with any other countries tour programme. Let the test matches also be between evenly matched teams with all their star players available rather than being forced to qquit tests to play IPL or get more money etc....But will the BCCI listen?. All they care about is "money".

  • Rukus_NZ on April 1, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    We need to face the fact that shane bond is getting $750,000 for the IPL and that NZ pays thier highest players not even half that, as cricketers age, they need to make thier money before they 'retire' - shane has way to many injuries to get into serious test cricket again.... as for players like marshall, im not to sure what happened either. In my opinion NZ need to dump martin and get some youth in the team, sinclair and ingram have constantly failed to perform, where watling seemed decent and he was the youngest of the three.

    I feel confident in the middle order and the tail, with the exception of martin // NZ domestic is not as high calibar as AUS or ENG, so we have players who do well in NZ, but fail at the internation stage, I have seen some VERY promising youngstersi n NZ aged 17-20 who in 3-4 years could very well be holding our team afloat if they get the training and coaching to retain speed in bowling, and discipline in batting.

  • nashdwaj on April 1, 2010, 5:07 GMT

    Oh you pathetic Ponting!! Your campaign against IPL does not stop. Now you r telling NZ what to do alluding to the fact that Bond is playing in IPL while missing country duty. How can you sleep at night ? Do keep in mind you will never paid for the irritation you cause to IPL. It did not work when you wanted the players association to come to negotiating table.

  • mrmonty on April 1, 2010, 5:00 GMT

    Punters, ask Warnie, Gilchrist, Hayden, Steve Waugh, Langer and Mcgrath to come back when you tour India, England and South Africa. Nobody gloats after a win like Ponting and nobody whines better than him.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on April 1, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    Asking Bond to come back is too tough. He's had it rough with injuries and seeing him in the shorter game is a blessing. NZ need to go the way of Sri Lanka and Bangladesh (please don't take this too literally). They need to build a long and tough batting line up, SCORE BIG then and use scoreboard pressure to take wickets ( a strategy that IND has effectively made their own), since their bowling cupboard is bare. The pitches world-wide are much easier for batting, so this is an opportunity for them to at least start drawing more matches vs the top 3-4 teams. If the balance between bat and ball is fixed, however, then calling for Bond may be the only way.

  • MinusZero on April 1, 2010, 3:55 GMT

    The batting is as much of a problem as the bowling. In the 2nd innings, the top 7 batsman all got starts. They are a bit too firey at the wrong time. Taylor played really well in the first innings, but if he had toned things down when he got hi century they may have done better. It isnt an ODI

  • doushbag on April 1, 2010, 3:52 GMT

    i forgot to add Ian butler wont play for his country how sad is that...

  • on April 1, 2010, 3:52 GMT

    I think the biggest problem we face is we have no real development process in our domestic cricket - when people like Southee and Arnel are the best bowlers that domestic batsmen face, coming up against the likes of Johnson is a completely different experience. Younger players need to get blooded in so that they have that experience against better bowlers, and by the time they hit 25 or so, they are experienced and can become the Ponting's or North's of NZ cricket. Guptill is a fine example - while he hasn't performed fantastically so far, he's only 23, and has plenty of time to grow into international cricket and become one of the solid batsmen of the side, along with the likes of Ross Taylor.

  • popcorn on April 1, 2010, 3:49 GMT

    I think NZ Cricket Administration is just not focussed on the three important areas of buildng Test cricketers - developing good batsmen, good seam and spin bowlers.Theirfielding is ok.

  • on April 1, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    NZ need variety in their attack, that is the biggest problem.

    Martin, Tuffey, Southee and Arnel, much like Mills, are all in the same style. They are simply line-and-length swing or seam bowlers who trundle in at around medium pace and utilize the conditions. NZ should only be playing with ONE of them - two if Vettori bats in the top 6.

    What NZ need is one express paceman - other than Bond, they need to find a Test specialist who can fill this role, someone in the domestic ranks. Other than that, they also need a good quality left-arm swing bowler. They should definitely be looking to develop one of Andy McKay, Trent Boult, Neil Wagner or Bradley Scott. They should look at Corey Anderson, James Franklin or young Doug Bracewell as the Test fastbowling allrounder.

    1. McIntosh, 2. Watling, 3. Taylor, 4. Guptill (use his PT spin more), 5. Ryder, 6. McCullum, 7. Franklin/Anderson/Bracewell, 8. Vettori, 9. Southee, 10. McKay/Boult/Wagner/Scott, 11.

  • knowledge_eater on April 1, 2010, 3:16 GMT

    Leave this guy alone please, tell me how many tests NZ play in general ? He had injury problems before ICL-BCCI drama, then he had a ban + injury,so couldn't play for his side, then he worked hard to get back into test side, then he got abdominal ligament tear, he is almost 35 now. Where is Nathan, Siddle, and Clark ? Where is Simon Jones, who ran over Aus. once. I hope they are covered. I know its easy to say when you are gifted with other bench strength. Honestly, NZ has great ODI history. Its very easy to make a comment as a batsman. Do you want him to finish his career before even letting him finish 100 ODI ? Stop judging players from the team they represent. It is very competitive sports, lot of things are being sacrifice to get here. He is still big throne for any team in shorter format. There are still few more years left for us to see him playing. Peace

  • nikhildevdesai on April 1, 2010, 3:07 GMT

    It's clear why BOND came back. He just wanted to be in the national side so that he could make big bucks playing in IPL. Once he came in the national side, he played handful of games, and announced his retirement. I had great respect for him once, but he's just another selfish player who sacrificed his loyalty to his country for money.

  • Itchy on April 1, 2010, 2:54 GMT

    NZ really miss Bond in their test line-up - Southee needs another couple of years before he is ready to take on the "go to" role as he is a bit raw. The most disappointing thing in this test series is that NZ seemed to have game plans for Ponting & Hussey but lacked anything against the others which cost them both tests.

  • doushbag on April 1, 2010, 2:21 GMT

    its difficult for NZ when there's no depth & guys like Shane Bond, Scott Styris, Lou Vincent, Andre Adams to name just a few don't seem to want to play.

    not sure whats happened to Hamish Marshall either but anyway there's a bit of depth to start with gone combined with injuries & NZ will always struggle.

    the only thing i can think of to help the situation is NZ Cricket Board try to get these players to stick around & also get experienced players to stay longer i reckon Chris Cains & Nathan Astle could have played a couple of more years of international cricket & lets not forget how Steven Fleming was ditch by NZ cricket what a epic mistake that turned out to be.

    NZ cricket board need to take responsibility you cant just get rid of quality players when you don't have a player pool.

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  • doushbag on April 1, 2010, 2:21 GMT

    its difficult for NZ when there's no depth & guys like Shane Bond, Scott Styris, Lou Vincent, Andre Adams to name just a few don't seem to want to play.

    not sure whats happened to Hamish Marshall either but anyway there's a bit of depth to start with gone combined with injuries & NZ will always struggle.

    the only thing i can think of to help the situation is NZ Cricket Board try to get these players to stick around & also get experienced players to stay longer i reckon Chris Cains & Nathan Astle could have played a couple of more years of international cricket & lets not forget how Steven Fleming was ditch by NZ cricket what a epic mistake that turned out to be.

    NZ cricket board need to take responsibility you cant just get rid of quality players when you don't have a player pool.

  • Itchy on April 1, 2010, 2:54 GMT

    NZ really miss Bond in their test line-up - Southee needs another couple of years before he is ready to take on the "go to" role as he is a bit raw. The most disappointing thing in this test series is that NZ seemed to have game plans for Ponting & Hussey but lacked anything against the others which cost them both tests.

  • nikhildevdesai on April 1, 2010, 3:07 GMT

    It's clear why BOND came back. He just wanted to be in the national side so that he could make big bucks playing in IPL. Once he came in the national side, he played handful of games, and announced his retirement. I had great respect for him once, but he's just another selfish player who sacrificed his loyalty to his country for money.

  • knowledge_eater on April 1, 2010, 3:16 GMT

    Leave this guy alone please, tell me how many tests NZ play in general ? He had injury problems before ICL-BCCI drama, then he had a ban + injury,so couldn't play for his side, then he worked hard to get back into test side, then he got abdominal ligament tear, he is almost 35 now. Where is Nathan, Siddle, and Clark ? Where is Simon Jones, who ran over Aus. once. I hope they are covered. I know its easy to say when you are gifted with other bench strength. Honestly, NZ has great ODI history. Its very easy to make a comment as a batsman. Do you want him to finish his career before even letting him finish 100 ODI ? Stop judging players from the team they represent. It is very competitive sports, lot of things are being sacrifice to get here. He is still big throne for any team in shorter format. There are still few more years left for us to see him playing. Peace

  • on April 1, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    NZ need variety in their attack, that is the biggest problem.

    Martin, Tuffey, Southee and Arnel, much like Mills, are all in the same style. They are simply line-and-length swing or seam bowlers who trundle in at around medium pace and utilize the conditions. NZ should only be playing with ONE of them - two if Vettori bats in the top 6.

    What NZ need is one express paceman - other than Bond, they need to find a Test specialist who can fill this role, someone in the domestic ranks. Other than that, they also need a good quality left-arm swing bowler. They should definitely be looking to develop one of Andy McKay, Trent Boult, Neil Wagner or Bradley Scott. They should look at Corey Anderson, James Franklin or young Doug Bracewell as the Test fastbowling allrounder.

    1. McIntosh, 2. Watling, 3. Taylor, 4. Guptill (use his PT spin more), 5. Ryder, 6. McCullum, 7. Franklin/Anderson/Bracewell, 8. Vettori, 9. Southee, 10. McKay/Boult/Wagner/Scott, 11.

  • popcorn on April 1, 2010, 3:49 GMT

    I think NZ Cricket Administration is just not focussed on the three important areas of buildng Test cricketers - developing good batsmen, good seam and spin bowlers.Theirfielding is ok.

  • on April 1, 2010, 3:52 GMT

    I think the biggest problem we face is we have no real development process in our domestic cricket - when people like Southee and Arnel are the best bowlers that domestic batsmen face, coming up against the likes of Johnson is a completely different experience. Younger players need to get blooded in so that they have that experience against better bowlers, and by the time they hit 25 or so, they are experienced and can become the Ponting's or North's of NZ cricket. Guptill is a fine example - while he hasn't performed fantastically so far, he's only 23, and has plenty of time to grow into international cricket and become one of the solid batsmen of the side, along with the likes of Ross Taylor.

  • doushbag on April 1, 2010, 3:52 GMT

    i forgot to add Ian butler wont play for his country how sad is that...

  • MinusZero on April 1, 2010, 3:55 GMT

    The batting is as much of a problem as the bowling. In the 2nd innings, the top 7 batsman all got starts. They are a bit too firey at the wrong time. Taylor played really well in the first innings, but if he had toned things down when he got hi century they may have done better. It isnt an ODI

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on April 1, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    Asking Bond to come back is too tough. He's had it rough with injuries and seeing him in the shorter game is a blessing. NZ need to go the way of Sri Lanka and Bangladesh (please don't take this too literally). They need to build a long and tough batting line up, SCORE BIG then and use scoreboard pressure to take wickets ( a strategy that IND has effectively made their own), since their bowling cupboard is bare. The pitches world-wide are much easier for batting, so this is an opportunity for them to at least start drawing more matches vs the top 3-4 teams. If the balance between bat and ball is fixed, however, then calling for Bond may be the only way.