Pak v Aus, 2nd MCC Spirit of Cricket Test, Headingley, 2nd day July 22, 2010

Ponting matches Tendulkar's pace

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Ponting v Tendulkar
When Ricky Ponting guided a boundary to third man off Mohammad Aamer and moved to 40, it made him the second man in Test history to score 12,000 runs. Sachin Tendulkar has enough of a lead to suggest that Ponting might never catch his aggregate but there will always be passionate debate about the respective merits of both men. Incredibly, 12,000 runs couldn't split them on statistical terms. Tendulkar reached the milestone in his 247th Test innings and how many do you think it took Ponting? Yep, 247.

Umar Akmal's no-brainer
The conditions were dark and gloomy. Pakistan just about held the upper hand. They needed batsmen like Umar Akmal to apply themselves and lengthen their stay at the wicket. Instead, from the fifth ball of the morning Umar, in an unpardonable act that should not go unpunished, went for a wild slog, trying to clear Mitchell Johnson over mid-off. It was an easy catch held nicely by Simon Katich, but the Pakistani was spared as the bowler was penalised for a marginal no-ball. It was a no-brainer from Umar, who had thrown his wicket away in the second innings at Lord's three balls before lunch. Then, as today, he committed the mistake at a critical moment of the match. The Australians did not curse too much as Johnson worked Umar out easily with a neat outswinger that took a thick outside edge, further exposing Umar's brittle mindset.

Malik follows suit
It was becoming contagious, playing headless shots. After the Pakistan middle-order crumbled without any fight, Shoaib Malik was left to marshal the tail. Sadly, instead of taking charge Malik even took a single to give Danish Kaneria the strike once. Then half an hour after lunch Shane Watson pitched on length and all Malik could do was go for a desperate loft, exposing his indecisiveness, and the catch was held by Tim Paine.

Up periscope
While several players in Pakistan's batting line-up won't want to see the footage of their dismissals, Umar Amin's was especially replay-worthy. Amin ducked a Hilfenhaus bouncer but forgot to lower his bat along with his body. The ball hit flush on the blade and lobbed out to square leg, where Marcus North took a straightforward catch. Amin hesitated for a moment, seemingly unable to believe what had just happened, before he trudged off.

Lunch crunch
The lunches served up to the players at Headingley must be high quality. What else could explain two wickets falling in the first over after lunch on each of the first two days? On the first day, it was Mohammad Aamer who rattled the stumps of Steven Smith and Johnson, and on the second Shane Watson sent back Kamran Akmal, who edged to slip, and Aamer, who was given lbw padding up. Four men in two days who wanted to get back to the buffet in a hurry.

Run-out chaos
As with many things relating to Pakistan, the last ball of their innings was surrounded by utter confusion. Mohammad Asif's leading edge lobbed to mid-off, where Smith ran in to collect on the bounce and threw down the stumps with Danish Kaneria having taken off for a single. Kaneria dived back in an attempt to make his ground, but then scrambled up and attempted an overthrow when the ball ricocheted off the stumps. Rudi Koertzen at the non-striker's end ducked to avoid a second throw that went to the wicketkeeper in another run-out attempt, and again Kaneria sprawled to make his ground. But in the meantime, Koertzen had called for a replay on the initial throw from Smith and Kaneria had been caught short.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at Cricinfo, Brydon Coverdale is a staff writer

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  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | July 26, 2010, 4:24 GMT

    Faircricket7, since you asked for valid and logical points on Bradman's greatness, I'm happy to provide you some. I wasn't aware that the current period is the hardest to play good cricket. Because in the 1920s and 1930s, you had to travel for months in a ship, step out of the ship, train for a while and play. The life was hard because there was a something called a Great Depression and so unemployment was very high. Your family and friends may have been lost just five years earlier in something called a World War. By the mid-1930s, another war was happening. Which environment would you want to play cricket in: the current period or the Bradman period? Also, is the competition better nowadays? By my count, there are only ever four good Test nations at any one generation with the exception of the 1980s. And if you say Bradman never faced Sri Lanka and India, Tendulkar never faced the West Indies in the 70s and 80s.

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | July 26, 2010, 4:14 GMT

    Just to clarify my own position on the matter, I believe that Tendulkar is a better batsman than Ponting, and that the margin is wide but not as wide as some of the fans on the forum are saying. A lot of people use the argument that there is so much pressure on Tendulkar and every time he goes to bat, the weight of India's fortunes rest with him. What rubbish! From the late nineties, India have had a talented and mighty batting lineup, with four players averaging around 50 or better. And yet for many many years, they still could not win away from home, with or without Tendulkar. The truth is, everyone feels the pressure, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Ganguly, Gambhir etc. And they all react well to it at different moments. So this argument cannot be used to describe Tendulkar as great. The argument I often use to describe his greatness is the longevity aspect (21 years and still going strong). But then again, so was Bradman's.

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | July 26, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    Once again, whenever the question of Tendulkar vs Ponting comes up, a lot of fans dismiss that argument and instead try to prove that Tendulkar was better than Bradman. I'm sorry but people like SangakaraFan, Faircricket7 and Tarun Joshi need to research the facts more before they make ridiculous comments about Bradman being overhyped or that Bradman belongs to a museum. There is no doubt that Tendulkar is a great batsman and belongs to a category where he is a contender for the greatest of all time. But there are other contenders that these so called fans don't mention. Viv Richards, Gary Sobers, Sunil Gavaskar, Jack Hobbs, Brian Lara are just a few names. So could those Tendulkar fans please first argue why Tendulkar is miles and miles better than all those names above? And then they can start to argue about the strongest contender of them all for the greatest batsman ever, Bradman.

  • POSTED BY jsridhar86 on | July 24, 2010, 15:18 GMT

    ponting has been consistenly falliable to certain bowlers.eg:harbhajan. he is a great batsmen with his great strenths but he is not a complete batsmen. he plays to his strengths. there was a purple patch in the early part of the decade where he scored relentless centuries. after that it has been a on/off greatness in batting. and one peculiar thing is that(since i have closely watched most cricket matches) there has been quite a lot of dropped catches in many of his centuries. tendulkar also has his shares of lbws and number of dropped chances but with ponting i do notice a lot of them in his centuries. to me he is a great cricketer and an above average captain but definitely less than lara and tendulkar.it's easy to chalk out runs when completely supported by best bowlers and fine batsmen and that purple patch of centuries isn't there right now due to lack of support.

  • POSTED BY SangakaraFan on | July 23, 2010, 19:09 GMT

    IT'S A NO-BRAINER..Tendulkar is obvioulsy & easily the best player in the world.I aslo believe that Lara and Tendulkar are in the same class, whereas Ponting has a looooong way to go as he he still cannot play fast bowling and can only score runs on flat pitches of Australia and England.80% of ponting runs have come after 2004 when the best of the fast bowlers had retired. Ponting struggled against the likes of Roach & Amer in this series.Ponting & Bradman are over-hyped by Aussie media.

  • POSTED BY Jarr30 on | July 23, 2010, 18:49 GMT

    Only player who comes close to comparing to Tendulkar is Lara...Ponting has no class of these 2 players.Steve waugh comes close third. If you look at Ponting's record, he scored most of his runs after 2003 when the best of fast bowlers had retired.Donald,Ambrose,Akram,waqur,Walsh,Pollock had retired or were below peak.Ponting never faced Warne,McGrath or Lee. Tendulkar & Lara faced all these bowlers during early 90's & late 90's and were sucessful.Ponting couldn't face Flintoff in ashes '05 and we all know how Ishant Sharma,Roach & Amer have troubled him.Ponting can't play raw pace.

  • POSTED BY GChakravarthy on | July 23, 2010, 17:46 GMT

    Tendulkar is the better gentleman though!

  • POSTED BY BSLICK on | July 23, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    i am Pakistani but i have to say tendulkar is better than ponting, but not by alot. as for murli and warne, i havent watched them for long enough to have an opinion.

  • POSTED BY ayeshakhan on | July 23, 2010, 12:59 GMT

    pointing is not having good techniques as sachin sachin is odi best batsman and brian lara is test best batsman.on other side players with no brain in pak are both umar. umar amin & umar akmal.

  • POSTED BY Faircricket7 on | July 23, 2010, 12:46 GMT

    I have a question to every cricket lovers.I know there is a debate going on around Tendulkar/Ponting but they both are great cricketers.

    But I suspect Bradman's performance as a great since he has played mostly with England.He has never faced Sri Lanka.Very little with India,West Indies etc. How can be compared his aggregate with Tendulkar/Ponting ??? Give me valid logical points please.As Maradona said about Pele, I think Bradman's is a very good cricketer in the past history who deserves in the museum.Those days cricket played with less competition as of now. No commerciality as well. Now is the hardest period to play good cricket and hold a record.

    So great tribute to Tendulkar/Ponting and Warne/Murali but not Bradman.Period.

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | July 26, 2010, 4:24 GMT

    Faircricket7, since you asked for valid and logical points on Bradman's greatness, I'm happy to provide you some. I wasn't aware that the current period is the hardest to play good cricket. Because in the 1920s and 1930s, you had to travel for months in a ship, step out of the ship, train for a while and play. The life was hard because there was a something called a Great Depression and so unemployment was very high. Your family and friends may have been lost just five years earlier in something called a World War. By the mid-1930s, another war was happening. Which environment would you want to play cricket in: the current period or the Bradman period? Also, is the competition better nowadays? By my count, there are only ever four good Test nations at any one generation with the exception of the 1980s. And if you say Bradman never faced Sri Lanka and India, Tendulkar never faced the West Indies in the 70s and 80s.

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | July 26, 2010, 4:14 GMT

    Just to clarify my own position on the matter, I believe that Tendulkar is a better batsman than Ponting, and that the margin is wide but not as wide as some of the fans on the forum are saying. A lot of people use the argument that there is so much pressure on Tendulkar and every time he goes to bat, the weight of India's fortunes rest with him. What rubbish! From the late nineties, India have had a talented and mighty batting lineup, with four players averaging around 50 or better. And yet for many many years, they still could not win away from home, with or without Tendulkar. The truth is, everyone feels the pressure, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Ganguly, Gambhir etc. And they all react well to it at different moments. So this argument cannot be used to describe Tendulkar as great. The argument I often use to describe his greatness is the longevity aspect (21 years and still going strong). But then again, so was Bradman's.

  • POSTED BY BillyCC on | July 26, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    Once again, whenever the question of Tendulkar vs Ponting comes up, a lot of fans dismiss that argument and instead try to prove that Tendulkar was better than Bradman. I'm sorry but people like SangakaraFan, Faircricket7 and Tarun Joshi need to research the facts more before they make ridiculous comments about Bradman being overhyped or that Bradman belongs to a museum. There is no doubt that Tendulkar is a great batsman and belongs to a category where he is a contender for the greatest of all time. But there are other contenders that these so called fans don't mention. Viv Richards, Gary Sobers, Sunil Gavaskar, Jack Hobbs, Brian Lara are just a few names. So could those Tendulkar fans please first argue why Tendulkar is miles and miles better than all those names above? And then they can start to argue about the strongest contender of them all for the greatest batsman ever, Bradman.

  • POSTED BY jsridhar86 on | July 24, 2010, 15:18 GMT

    ponting has been consistenly falliable to certain bowlers.eg:harbhajan. he is a great batsmen with his great strenths but he is not a complete batsmen. he plays to his strengths. there was a purple patch in the early part of the decade where he scored relentless centuries. after that it has been a on/off greatness in batting. and one peculiar thing is that(since i have closely watched most cricket matches) there has been quite a lot of dropped catches in many of his centuries. tendulkar also has his shares of lbws and number of dropped chances but with ponting i do notice a lot of them in his centuries. to me he is a great cricketer and an above average captain but definitely less than lara and tendulkar.it's easy to chalk out runs when completely supported by best bowlers and fine batsmen and that purple patch of centuries isn't there right now due to lack of support.

  • POSTED BY SangakaraFan on | July 23, 2010, 19:09 GMT

    IT'S A NO-BRAINER..Tendulkar is obvioulsy & easily the best player in the world.I aslo believe that Lara and Tendulkar are in the same class, whereas Ponting has a looooong way to go as he he still cannot play fast bowling and can only score runs on flat pitches of Australia and England.80% of ponting runs have come after 2004 when the best of the fast bowlers had retired. Ponting struggled against the likes of Roach & Amer in this series.Ponting & Bradman are over-hyped by Aussie media.

  • POSTED BY Jarr30 on | July 23, 2010, 18:49 GMT

    Only player who comes close to comparing to Tendulkar is Lara...Ponting has no class of these 2 players.Steve waugh comes close third. If you look at Ponting's record, he scored most of his runs after 2003 when the best of fast bowlers had retired.Donald,Ambrose,Akram,waqur,Walsh,Pollock had retired or were below peak.Ponting never faced Warne,McGrath or Lee. Tendulkar & Lara faced all these bowlers during early 90's & late 90's and were sucessful.Ponting couldn't face Flintoff in ashes '05 and we all know how Ishant Sharma,Roach & Amer have troubled him.Ponting can't play raw pace.

  • POSTED BY GChakravarthy on | July 23, 2010, 17:46 GMT

    Tendulkar is the better gentleman though!

  • POSTED BY BSLICK on | July 23, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    i am Pakistani but i have to say tendulkar is better than ponting, but not by alot. as for murli and warne, i havent watched them for long enough to have an opinion.

  • POSTED BY ayeshakhan on | July 23, 2010, 12:59 GMT

    pointing is not having good techniques as sachin sachin is odi best batsman and brian lara is test best batsman.on other side players with no brain in pak are both umar. umar amin & umar akmal.

  • POSTED BY Faircricket7 on | July 23, 2010, 12:46 GMT

    I have a question to every cricket lovers.I know there is a debate going on around Tendulkar/Ponting but they both are great cricketers.

    But I suspect Bradman's performance as a great since he has played mostly with England.He has never faced Sri Lanka.Very little with India,West Indies etc. How can be compared his aggregate with Tendulkar/Ponting ??? Give me valid logical points please.As Maradona said about Pele, I think Bradman's is a very good cricketer in the past history who deserves in the museum.Those days cricket played with less competition as of now. No commerciality as well. Now is the hardest period to play good cricket and hold a record.

    So great tribute to Tendulkar/Ponting and Warne/Murali but not Bradman.Period.

  • POSTED BY Laird on | July 23, 2010, 12:45 GMT

    Ponting vs Tendulkar? Tendulkar hands down! In my eyes Ponting will never be considered a great because of how he handled himself on the pitch. Tendulkar has always appeared to show humility and respect, and clearly just loves the sport. Ponting on the other hand..........! Forget the stats, forget who they played against and on what pitches - for his lack of respect for the game, Ponting cannot be compared with the true greats.

  • POSTED BY Chairtruck on | July 23, 2010, 12:29 GMT

    Jacques Kallis is the Greatest Cricketer of the modern era. If he hadn't have had to save SA in the 90's so often AND bowl his fast-medium pacers, he would easily have had a test average of over 60 and a number of double, if not triple centuries. Remember he also spent a lot of time batting at 3 and captained on occasion so Kallis is the Greatest Cricketer of the modern era.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 12:28 GMT

    As always with Aussies fanboys,for them Bradman and Ponying are the best batsman ever and Warnie the best bowler. Whereas the reality is different Two Asians are way ahead Murali remains the best bowler And Tendulkar the best batsman. C'mmon fanboys grow up

  • POSTED BY 09032007 on | July 23, 2010, 12:28 GMT

    warne,murali,donald,mcgrath everybody commented about who is the best batsman. so i believe there is not much argument about that. Still ponting is amazing player and we should appluad him for his efforts

  • POSTED BY Sudharsan81 on | July 23, 2010, 12:28 GMT

    At no time Ponting is better cricketer than Sachin, as a captain Sachin is not lucky as Ponting to have McGrath, Warne, Martyn, Hayden and Gilchrist In his team while he was captaining. after these guys got retired Ponting's captaincy record came down very well and as a batsman he is not able to provide the best even when the team requires very desperately you can watch this match also.

  • POSTED BY vish2020 on | July 23, 2010, 12:26 GMT

    @jonesy2 please mate give me a long break! I see Ponting (arrogant aussie) and warne (nice aussie) both are above south asian players while the truth is when the careers are over, the only thing talks more than anything is stats..And so read them and go cry in the corner of shitty melbourne!! Murali is best ever in spin and Sachin is the best ever in batting..long ahead of Don too! Don never played on asian wickets or else he would have had horrible stats..Aussies!! you amaze me with your arrogancy, all knowing attitude and above all the disrespect of other other great players who beat you guys out..Ponting will never catch up to Lara, forget about Sachin!

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 12:11 GMT

    Tendulkar didn't have the burden of captaincy , but Ponting's class is fading with time now he should resigned from captaincy and evaluate his place in the team.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 12:10 GMT

    Tendulkar didn't have the burden of captaincy , but Ponting's class is fading with time now he should resigned from captaincy and evaluate his place in the team.

  • POSTED BY aspurohit on | July 23, 2010, 12:07 GMT

    @Shakyshot , unfortunately Tendulkar did not have the services of Hayden/Langer as openers, Gilchrist as WK and Warne/ Mcgrath and co under his captainship. If Tendulkar was captaining Australia he would have surpassed 16000 runs in Test cricket by now while Ponting if he had captained India would be no where near 10000 even.

  • POSTED BY Centurion100 on | July 23, 2010, 12:04 GMT

    @ jones and all other bigots out here: That is because you are looking with blinkered eyes. Tell me how many test wickets has Ponting ever taken ? How many ODI runs has he scored? Has he ever come close to 200 in ODI? It follows that Tendulkar is better than Ponting overall

  • POSTED BY 12kris on | July 23, 2010, 11:36 GMT

    I thought "No brainer" meant a decision that does not need a second thought- an obvious one. Umar Akmal 'no brainer'?

  • POSTED BY DonX1 on | July 23, 2010, 11:26 GMT

    Just check the statistics. Who has better average in all three forms of the game? Who has the highest individual score in ODI? The answer is Tendulkar, and why is there any doubt that he is the best?

  • POSTED BY appajik on | July 23, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    Sheksyshot, I pity you dear... Do you need a captain and coach to lead guys like Warne, Hayden, Gilchrist, McGrath, Symo, Hussy, Clarke....? Please don't compare the captaincy aspect here. You ask any great bowler to name the best batsman...you will get either Sachin or Lara... Arrogant Ponting, never:)

  • POSTED BY The_Dynamite_Kid on | July 23, 2010, 11:20 GMT

    Another thing. Let's have a look at Ponting's record at the turning tracks of India. An average of 20, that's right! Now let's have a look at Tendulkar's record in the bouncy Australia tracks. An average of 58, that's right! How does that taste?

  • POSTED BY The_Dynamite_Kid on | July 23, 2010, 11:17 GMT

    Ha, ha, ha, ha @ Ponting being better than Tendulkar. Last year respected cricket expert Christopher Martin Jenkins made a list of his top 100 Test cricketers of all time. Poor Ponting was relaxing at the #47th spot in that list, while Tendulkar was placed at the #9th spot.

  • POSTED BY appajik on | July 23, 2010, 11:17 GMT

    Common guys. Ponting is just another good batsman in great Australian batting lineup. Sachin Tendulkar, the amount of pressure, is one man army in 1990's in average Indian batting line up. You cann't really compare Ponting, who never played dominantly against good spinners, with Sachin (you warne...can you recall those sleepless nights). But Ponting is a decent player against fast bowling...though I can't completely agree, just because he never faced McGrath and co :) Sachin, of course Lara, you are the best of this generation.

  • POSTED BY DonX1 on | July 23, 2010, 11:14 GMT

    When it is a debate of who is the better "cricketer", Ponting is a better captain but howmany wickets does he have in ODI or test? In batting, Ponting reaches no where near Tendulkar's class and consistency . Tendulkar is a bad leader and that is so obvious too.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 10:44 GMT

    @jonesy2....Ponting can't even touch Sachin's knee when it comes to being a great player..Ponting is a wonnderful batsman but not a great player. He is arrogant and he shows that on field all the time...I dont know what r ur parameters for measuring a better cricketer..Guess it starts with being an Aussies...Sachin is an epitome of what any player should be like..Sharne is also truely a legend and the best but when it comes to being the greatest spinner it will always will Murli..He is more humble and down to earth than the total population of Austrlia and England combined together..

  • POSTED BY banter123 on | July 23, 2010, 10:41 GMT

    @jonesy2 dis is an oz speaking 4rm heart as u bliv warne n pointings r gr8...u r nt a cricket lover,jus a hooligan dat supports his country.....mate,grow up n njoy d cricket...stop giving ur thoughts on who is d best cricketer...no one cares.....every1 is gr8 n i luv oz side is so competitive n gr8 amount of respect towards cricketers around d world

  • POSTED BY Rumour on | July 23, 2010, 10:29 GMT

    @Jonesy - How's the weather in Oz today :-)

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | July 23, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    Ricky Ponting is a better cricketer than Sachin Tendulkar - as batsmen they are level, but Ponting is head and shoulders above Tendulkar in Captaincy and Fielding. if you add the load on Ponting's shoulders as captain, and value his runs, then Ponting is a better batsman than Tendulkar.And under pressure, Ponting is streets ahead. Tendulkar cannot ever match Ponting's innings at Old Trafford - Ashes 2005.

  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | July 23, 2010, 9:52 GMT

    There's no debate at all on who's better. Ponting has to be fooling himself, or the Australians need something to talk about over beer. And secondly, Ponting was out twice before scoring in this innings. He'll need this sort of luck everytime he comes on to bat, looking at his abilities these days.

  • POSTED BY steelo_esq on | July 23, 2010, 9:45 GMT

    always funny to see sub-continent based fans calling australians arrogant.... which ironically in itself is an arrogant comment. as for the tendulkar/ponting debate. both players in their own right are fantastic batsmen, though as a few people have said pontings done it the harder way with much much fewer games against bangladesh and zimbabwe, not that this in tendulkars fault of course. when it comes down to it though id have to say tendulkar is the better batsman but ponting has had to deal with more pressure having been the no.3 batsmen and the australian skipper for so many years. so there u have it, sitting on the fence at its best

  • POSTED BY CharonTFm on | July 23, 2010, 9:29 GMT

    Please leave Sir Donald Bradman out of these discussions. No matter what you say or how much of a God you think SRT is, he is no where near the league of The Don! End of story. Take statistics and you will see the results, that no athletes in the world has ever come close to his accomplishments. The teams of old had faced raw fast balls with no protection, there was no equipment or gear to help them make things easier. You can never compare modern day sporting to what the team of old endured. The biggest fact to support it all is no other players those days came close to Don, and no players in modern cricket even comes close to Don. All you can say is Ponting and SRT are the best two batsmans in the modern era.

  • POSTED BY XIMONA on | July 23, 2010, 9:09 GMT

    Ponting Has A weekness With Short Pitch Stuff Into His Body & Bowlers Like Ishant , Amir & others have exposed it very often but For Sachin Bowlers for the last 20 years are still struggling to find what is his weekness , he scores at his will. same with Murli , he takes wicket at his will he has the trun & spin which warne cannot match even in his dreams. Murli just showed in his last test that he is a legend takinh 8 wickets to complete 800 is no mean effort.

  • POSTED BY XIMONA on | July 23, 2010, 8:58 GMT

    Why Do You Think Afridi Gave Away Being The Captain Of This Pakistani test Team , He Did Not Wanted To Captain A Losing Side Who Don't Have The Temprament To Be A Test Side. AFRIDI WANTS TO CAPTAIN A WINNING 20/20 SIDE OF PAKISTAN.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 8:58 GMT

    Evidence and reasoning please, jonesy2. For myself, I sit on the fence on both these debates and rate Lara over both Ponting and Tendulkar.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 8:21 GMT

    Sachin Tendulkar is not only the greatest batsman but the greatest cricketer of all time.Ricky Ponting is not even in league of great SACHIN, LARA,BRADMAN. EVEN SEHWAG IS BETTER PLAYER THAN PONTING IN TESTS.Sachin scored heavily against AUSSIES in their backyard.Where as Ponting failed miserably in INDIA.Talking about captaincy A CAPTAIN IS AS GOOD AS HIS TEAM. AUS lost 2005 ashes despite having champion players & Ponting can't get away with it.If he is a such a good captain why can't he won ASHES 2009 , SERIES AGAINST INDIA IN INDIA , SERIES AGAINST SA IN AUSTRALIA with a MEDIOCRE team. Sachin during captaincy never had the luxury of great players.I AM A SUPPORTER OF ABA(ANY ONE BUT AUSTRALIA) & SERIOUSLY WANT PAKISTAN TO WIN THIS MATCH.GO PAK GO & SHOW THE CHEAT PONTING ITS REAL WORTH.

  • POSTED BY bkraks21 on | July 23, 2010, 8:17 GMT

    @ravithecricbuff - very well said. Ponting is highly overrated. Aussies like to do that to themselves. They would never understand the pressure of a billion expectations. Ponting never had captaincy pressure. When u have 5-6 gr88 players palying for you u wont have one.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 8:06 GMT

    This argument is a no brainer.. We have seen Lara thrashing australians in Australia..,Murali in Srilanka, Donald and Pollock in SA.. We have seen Tendulkar score in SA against Donald, Pollock , McMillan.. Against Murali in Srilanka, Again Wasim and Waqar in Pakistan, Against the Westindians(when they had Ambrose and Walsh), Against the aussies in Australia.. These two had proved themselves against the best bowlers of their era.. But sadly for Ponting his record when these great bowlers were playing was relatively ordinary (avg of 44).. He picked up once the bowling standard world around got ordinary.. I think you will see that in the past 2-3 years when steyn and broad and co have ensured a better bowling standard, his records ahve again been ordinary... But to be diplomatic yeah.. he will rank with the best.. :)

  • POSTED BY Red_devilsXI on | July 23, 2010, 7:53 GMT

    Sydney revisisted..... Thank you Team Pakistan for another horrifying display of batting..... I think there is only one team is going to win this test and it is Australia.... PCB should arrnage ODIs or T20s only coz our batsmen are not worthy of test cricket....

  • POSTED BY kingknight on | July 23, 2010, 7:47 GMT

    @cricket314- Ponting enjoys the luxury of strong bowlers and good batsmen in his team, while Sachin performed when the rest of the team failed to perform. the pressure on Ponting is comparatively less... the individual expectation from him is less any day!... Ponting definitely is Great batsman! Sachin and Lara are a different class all together. The sub-continent pitches are spinner friendly unlike Australian and south African pitches. facing quality spin is equally tougher task and not many batsman succeed on the Asian pitches. I didnt understand your remark on 'bowler friendly pitches'. At any given day, a batsman has to score for his team. And Sachin's records shows that he did it better than the rest...

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 7:35 GMT

    The result of the match is very clear now - a huge victory for Australia. Umar Akmal may be a bright prospect, but to succeed at this level, one needs to have proper temperament to go with talent and Umar clearly lacks it. Go Australia!

  • POSTED BY Anilmpg on | July 23, 2010, 7:24 GMT

    As per my analysis Sachin sounds better. Because Sachin played the fiery Australian bowling attack and scored most of his runs againt the quality attack of Australia. All great bowlers of last two decades were from Australia. I will say Ponting was lucky to not to face the mighty Aussie attack. And in the nets Ponting had the chance to practice with greats like McGrath, Warnie, Lee, Jhonson, Gillespe, etc. And Sachin had to practice with peanut bowlers.. Oh God its better not to mention about Indian bowling attack barring Kumble and Srinath. Just imagnine how dangerous a batsman facing bowlers like McGrath, Warnie, Lee, Jhonson, Gillespe in nets can be against other bowling attacks. And its other way arround for Sachin and Dravid. Still these two proved. So Sachin is the greatest.

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 7:20 GMT

    Indian fans are very bias to Sachin. I believe sachin's shots are amazing. But for ponting who has captained for a very long time has pressure every game to preform would take its toll. He cant just think about his batting because he has to think about his field settings and bowling changes. He would have alot going through his mind while batting unlike sachin who would have alot less pressure. (Esspecially because of the amazing batsmen sachin have around him.)

  • POSTED BY jonesy2 on | July 23, 2010, 6:48 GMT

    the ponting/tendulkar debate is the same as the warne/murali debate. ponting is a better cricketer than tendulkar overall, and warne is a better cricketer than murali overall, no matter what the wickets abd runs say. but they are all modern greats.

  • POSTED BY Dougie123 on | July 23, 2010, 5:55 GMT

    @gandabhai, The Don played 17 tests against other nations and ave 151.6 with 10 100's. There is plenty of photoage of him out there, watch some and you'll see he would have mastered the modern game as well.

  • POSTED BY Sika on | July 23, 2010, 4:52 GMT

    Tendulkar is the better technician, his shot choice and execution are unsurpassed. But Ponting has the better temperament and head for cricket. Apples and oranges. Thanks to both for many breathtakingly wonderful moments.

  • POSTED BY sheksyshot on | July 23, 2010, 4:38 GMT

    Ponting is obvioulsy better than tendulkar.When tendulkar was made captain of india he couldnt handle the pressure.but look ponting has to deal with all the captaincy burden and he still bat like tendulkar.if tendulkar was captain of his country for this long he wouldnt score at the pace of ponting. so regarding the burden of both captaincy and having to bat at no.3 ponting is BETTER CRICKETER than tendulkar who plays for his own record.

  • POSTED BY ravithecricbuff on | July 23, 2010, 4:31 GMT

    Pointing is no way close to match the greats like Tendulkar or Lara, forget about The Don.Yes he can claim he has the runs to closely match Sachin,yet overall picture the team composition in which these two played over the years..When you talk of number of wins Ponting enjoys, don't forget the likes of Steve Waugh, Gilchrist,McGrath,Shane Warne,McGill,Gillespe,Hayden,Lee,Symo,..you name it who played along side him.That does make a difference. And most important, you need to be in Sachin's shoes to understand what the pressure of expectation means. No one in cricket history have had so much pressure to perform and yet he has sustained for 20+ years. No one can even dare to compare the Master with anyone leave aside this arrongant Aussie chap that is Ponting.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | July 23, 2010, 4:25 GMT

    @Rajputs - umpiring hasn't been too bad in this series - if anything has gone against the Aussies. Lets stick to the fact that the Paki bowlers have been as brilliant as their batsmen poor. @Cricket314 - I am an Aussie but I wouldn't say that Ponting is a better overall cricketer. My main reason is that Tendulkar has over 200 International wickets and is a good fielder vs Ponting's numerous run outs & great catches. I think Ponting has dictated terms more often with his batting than Tendulkar, I feel this is due to Ponting batting @ 3 to Sachin @ 4. Ponting's captaincy is better than Tendulkar's - could be argued that Ponting had better weapons to choose from, but I think his ODI captaincy (2 undefeated World cups) is a pretty good reference, on the negative he has lost the Ashes twice in England. Lets just say that they are fine products of their respective nations??

  • POSTED BY dmqi on | July 23, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    I like the sub-heading," Umar Akamal's no-brainer". In fact it should have been Akmals-Malik's no brainer, because those 3 work together possibly. No one did play well. Let us hope that the coach Waker Yunus give them some brain tonic for the second innings.

  • POSTED BY bighit12 on | July 23, 2010, 4:07 GMT

    @_NEUTRAL_Fan_ This happens in most comment sections, really.

  • POSTED BY usman_nile1994 on | July 23, 2010, 4:04 GMT

    Thanks Pak team. Whenever i want to see some quality poor shot selection you fulfill my wish.

  • POSTED BY Itchy on | July 23, 2010, 4:00 GMT

    Those Pak fans complaining about umpiring decisions should take aim at the PCB who chose not to use the UDRS in this series - from what I have seen there have been a few close calls go either way and are pretty much even. Anyone wish to comment on Mike Hussey's dismissal in the first innings.........I thought not.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | July 23, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    @gandabhai - mate a lot of whinging there! I have seen Ponting get dubious calls before and LBWs are always going to be subjective. It is poor form on your behalf to attack the integrity of nuetral umpires by saying they provide "FAVOURS" to Ponting. Over a long career both Ponting & Tendulkar and any player who had played over 50 Tests would come out about even in good/bad calls. Don't forget that umpiring standards in the sub-continent led to having neutral umpires. Also as for the Don, Australia & England were the best teams in the world, the Don played against the best that England & Australia had to provide. His stats would be less skewed then modern cricketers dining out on runs against Zim & Bang. I would also say that you could argue that SA & India of that era were at least the equivalent of the modern WI & Pakistan. Also remember the pitches the Don played on were uncovered and VERY bowler friendly. Often sides would send tail enders in to waste time so the pitch dried up.

  • POSTED BY nirasir on | July 23, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    If no. of Innings is the criterion,How many did Lara take to get to 11,953 runs ? By the way can we imagine SRT retiring on 11,953 ,without going to 12000 ? Lara had only 6 not outs in his career,SRT has 29 already !! Instead of being biased,we should be broad and rational. After all the choice of favorite batsman is purely personal.

  • POSTED BY crickeyt on | July 23, 2010, 2:47 GMT

    @Cricket314: Haha, that is a typically ignorant Aussie comment. Tendulkar's average in Australia and England is better than in India. Compare that to Ponting's miserable record in India. Tendulkar has nearly the same overall home and away averages (0.4 runs difference), while Ponting obviously fills his boots during home games (2.7 runs difference). So, Tendulkar is as good as Ponting on Australian pitches and streets ahead in Indian conditions. And let us not even get started on Ponting never having to face the best bowling attack of his generation, against whom Tendulkar enjoyed remarkable success.

    Also, you Aussies need to pick your favorite stereotype of Indian conditions and stick to it - it cannot be both a batsman's paradise and a country with pitches that turn square.

  • POSTED BY finncam on | July 23, 2010, 2:43 GMT

    Reading the comment here, is there a more ungracious people that Pakistan cricket fans?

  • POSTED BY on | July 23, 2010, 2:34 GMT

    Mistakes by umpires would be largely taken out of the equationif the UDRS was in place for every Test. Yes, perhaps Ponting could have been given out LBW in the 2nd innings of the current Test match, but he was unlucky to be given out in the 2nd innings of the first Test. And speaking about bad decisions - does anyone else remember the howler Ponting got in his first match when on 96? What a disgrace that was....Both are great players who have played in different conditions for the majority of their Test careers. Tendulkar has played on sub-continent pitches with outfields that ensure any ball that goes past the infield goes for four, Ponting never had to face McGrath, Lee, Gillespie and Warne. Lara is probably the best of all - playing in a substandard team, with no real support except from Chanderpaul. Both Ponting and Lara have had other batsmen to rely on at the other end for most of their careers.

  • POSTED BY CSpiers on | July 23, 2010, 2:34 GMT

    pakistan play with the smarts of a grade cricket team for the most part, true story.

  • POSTED BY Seers on | July 23, 2010, 1:39 GMT

    I'd say that if one-day cricket is included, Tendulkar is the more complete batsman. However, in Test cricket something to keep in mind is that Ponting has played only 9 innings against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, scoring 550 runs. Tendulkar has played 23 innings against these 2 teams, scoring 1738 runs. Take those two teams out of the equation and the overall test runs scored is a lot closer.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | July 23, 2010, 1:29 GMT

    As far as the 'Ponting was out' calls, which delivery was he out to: The one that was going over the stumps (brushing the very top of the bails on replay - hardly conclusive) or the one that pitched outside leg stump? I'd be more concerned about the umpires giving out LBWs when the ball is swinging down leg side, which happened a few times. But if the public (and posters here) are so concerned about poor umpiring decisions - pressure the PCB to use the Umpire Decision Review System. That's what it's for: to give teams the chance to appeal against obviously incorrect decisions. No use complaining if you don't want to use the appeal system.

  • POSTED BY RottPhiler on | July 23, 2010, 1:00 GMT

    With all due respect, the words no-brainer and headless have been used out of context.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | July 22, 2010, 23:01 GMT

    @Cricket314. Ponting's record in Ind (the same flat pitches) isn't all that great so that point has holes in it. They both have had advantages and disadvantages and in my opinion they both equally deserve the record of fastest to 12000 runs.

  • POSTED BY on | July 22, 2010, 22:48 GMT

    Punter has surely been a batsman of his own self and belief in this era. He's been there for so long that we never realized that he could reach 12000 runs at some time. Hats off to you for such achievement: that you did against Pakistan is something I w did not like.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | July 22, 2010, 22:45 GMT

    @gandabhai...I guess u need to go back to playing cricket for another 18 yrs. There is nothing wrong with saying SRT is better than Ponting but don't bring up some ridiculous, "one-eyed" reason for forming your opinion. Obviously it would seem like Ponting gets more decisions than SRT because YOU want SRT to be more successful and will be more conscious of him getting out. Ponting got an equally close N.O decision for lbw given against him in the 1st test,it happens. I am no fan of Ponting's persona but I wont ignore his accomplishments. For me, the race between Ponting and SRT will have to be decided when they both retire, for now I will say they're both outstanding and both deserve that particular record. Also, you probably haven't seen Bradman or even Sobers or Trueman or the like mainly because you haven't cared to see them. We may not have gotten to see them live but the footage of them are clear enough to see how they played and the reports on the conditions are fairly accurate.

  • POSTED BY on | July 22, 2010, 22:42 GMT

    tendulkar is better by far and the world know every batsman wants to be like him even ponting and lara

  • POSTED BY amynrehimi on | July 22, 2010, 22:18 GMT

    umar akaml should be rested for a few test till he understands what it takes to play Test cricket. Even Shahid Afridi realised this and left test cricket. just being potentially very good and not able to control your tempramant will not get you anything is test cricket

  • POSTED BY on_the_level on | July 22, 2010, 22:12 GMT

    The Aussies will certainly be grateful there is no UDRS in this series. And I'd pay more to watch Tendulkar bat than Ponting, any day. Go England, for the Ashes!

  • POSTED BY rajputs on | July 22, 2010, 21:39 GMT

    Poor batting display after a good start,what can we do for umar akmal? and how easily some wickets again given to WATSON who was`nt even firing.ICING ON THE CAKE, when umpiring is all the way favoring a side? nothing wrong in captaincy and field placing, salman butt is attacking + trying not to let aussies off with the lead easily, as at the moment this is a pressure point for aussies.

  • POSTED BY sharprider on | July 22, 2010, 21:29 GMT

    The story, though somewhat depressing, reveals two things: what matters and what does not matter. It seems that the umpires' rulings did matter, though unfavourably for Pakistan, and the intentions of the Pakistani players also did matter. The thing that does not matter is Ponting's achievement (he should be thankful that he was allowed to do it in this innings by Umpire Koertzen).

  • POSTED BY Goticha on | July 22, 2010, 21:04 GMT

    @khan..... firstly, about umpiring its part of the game boy.... although muhammad amir was unlucky but don't forget,with due respect, that couple of lbw's went against australians including hussey... secondly batting has been a serious lack for team Pakistan rite nw.... missin Yousaf n Younis..... thirdly, salman is leading the team for first time so give him time....

  • POSTED BY on | July 22, 2010, 20:57 GMT

    the worst umpiring i have ever seen poiting got lbw but umpire says no and kamran akmal always gets out when he goes out of the line he gets to ripped of and dont foucus. muhammed asif was a very good baller the first inning.

  • POSTED BY on | July 22, 2010, 20:34 GMT

    always easy to blame the umpires..looking for excuses?

  • POSTED BY shahid6995 on | July 22, 2010, 20:03 GMT

    Hello, Sydney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | July 22, 2010, 19:08 GMT

    Ponting may catch up with Tendulkar yet. A couple of years ago it was believed that Ponting would probably overtake Tendulkar within 1-2 years. Instead his form fell away while Tendulkar enjoyed a late surge. Only when both their careers end will we finally know who has the higher aggregate and the no. of centuries. What is (almost) definitely beyond reach is Tendulkar's run tally for the next 10 years at least.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | July 22, 2010, 19:08 GMT

    @Khan_169. I actually think the umps have been in good form over the 2 tests with only a few MARGINAL calls being either turned down or given but sadly, the comments section is becoming a medium for "one-eyed" ranting. Almost everyday some fan from either side in every test of every series whines about umpiring and conveniently forgets moments when the opposition had a close shout going their way. You were right about 1 thing for sure though and that is the field placing. Surely Waqar being a former captain and a bowler can send messages out to the captain.

  • POSTED BY gandabhai on | July 22, 2010, 18:59 GMT

    ponting was out first ball today & not given out as usual . Can someone please do stats to show the amount of times ponting/Tendulkar have been given out/not-out incorrectly. Since i stopped playing cricket 18 years ago , I have watched tons of cricket & i would bet pontings stats are as good as they are because of FAVOURS gratefully received from 'umpires' .I have also witnessed many occasions where Tendulkar was wrongly given out in the 90's as well as earlier on in his innings .If Tendulkar had been given correct decisions whether out or not , his tally would be even higher than it is now. Whilst ponting is without doubt a GREAT batsman , He is in a different league to Lara/Tendulkar.I can't comment on The Don as i didnt see him bat or the conditions he batted in . Unfortunatley for him he was only ever tested by England .What a shame.

  • POSTED BY Cricket314 on | July 22, 2010, 18:54 GMT

    Ponting is surely better than tendulkar inoverall aspect of the game .He has played most of the career matches in a bowler's supportive pitches unlike tendulkar and yet his record is immaculate.I personally believe in the end tendulkar will hold the record. I wish tendulkar would ve played 70% of his matches in bowler's friendly wickets.Ponting also has a better career record when it come to enjoying countless wins, something which tendulkar will always be bereft of.

  • POSTED BY KHAN_169 on | July 22, 2010, 18:16 GMT

    what a poor umpiring, ponting was lbw first ball also clark was lbw as well and muhammad amir was not out at all. but poor bating from pakistan very poor field setup by salman butt

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  • POSTED BY KHAN_169 on | July 22, 2010, 18:16 GMT

    what a poor umpiring, ponting was lbw first ball also clark was lbw as well and muhammad amir was not out at all. but poor bating from pakistan very poor field setup by salman butt

  • POSTED BY Cricket314 on | July 22, 2010, 18:54 GMT

    Ponting is surely better than tendulkar inoverall aspect of the game .He has played most of the career matches in a bowler's supportive pitches unlike tendulkar and yet his record is immaculate.I personally believe in the end tendulkar will hold the record. I wish tendulkar would ve played 70% of his matches in bowler's friendly wickets.Ponting also has a better career record when it come to enjoying countless wins, something which tendulkar will always be bereft of.

  • POSTED BY gandabhai on | July 22, 2010, 18:59 GMT

    ponting was out first ball today & not given out as usual . Can someone please do stats to show the amount of times ponting/Tendulkar have been given out/not-out incorrectly. Since i stopped playing cricket 18 years ago , I have watched tons of cricket & i would bet pontings stats are as good as they are because of FAVOURS gratefully received from 'umpires' .I have also witnessed many occasions where Tendulkar was wrongly given out in the 90's as well as earlier on in his innings .If Tendulkar had been given correct decisions whether out or not , his tally would be even higher than it is now. Whilst ponting is without doubt a GREAT batsman , He is in a different league to Lara/Tendulkar.I can't comment on The Don as i didnt see him bat or the conditions he batted in . Unfortunatley for him he was only ever tested by England .What a shame.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | July 22, 2010, 19:08 GMT

    @Khan_169. I actually think the umps have been in good form over the 2 tests with only a few MARGINAL calls being either turned down or given but sadly, the comments section is becoming a medium for "one-eyed" ranting. Almost everyday some fan from either side in every test of every series whines about umpiring and conveniently forgets moments when the opposition had a close shout going their way. You were right about 1 thing for sure though and that is the field placing. Surely Waqar being a former captain and a bowler can send messages out to the captain.

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | July 22, 2010, 19:08 GMT

    Ponting may catch up with Tendulkar yet. A couple of years ago it was believed that Ponting would probably overtake Tendulkar within 1-2 years. Instead his form fell away while Tendulkar enjoyed a late surge. Only when both their careers end will we finally know who has the higher aggregate and the no. of centuries. What is (almost) definitely beyond reach is Tendulkar's run tally for the next 10 years at least.

  • POSTED BY shahid6995 on | July 22, 2010, 20:03 GMT

    Hello, Sydney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | July 22, 2010, 20:34 GMT

    always easy to blame the umpires..looking for excuses?

  • POSTED BY on | July 22, 2010, 20:57 GMT

    the worst umpiring i have ever seen poiting got lbw but umpire says no and kamran akmal always gets out when he goes out of the line he gets to ripped of and dont foucus. muhammed asif was a very good baller the first inning.

  • POSTED BY Goticha on | July 22, 2010, 21:04 GMT

    @khan..... firstly, about umpiring its part of the game boy.... although muhammad amir was unlucky but don't forget,with due respect, that couple of lbw's went against australians including hussey... secondly batting has been a serious lack for team Pakistan rite nw.... missin Yousaf n Younis..... thirdly, salman is leading the team for first time so give him time....

  • POSTED BY sharprider on | July 22, 2010, 21:29 GMT

    The story, though somewhat depressing, reveals two things: what matters and what does not matter. It seems that the umpires' rulings did matter, though unfavourably for Pakistan, and the intentions of the Pakistani players also did matter. The thing that does not matter is Ponting's achievement (he should be thankful that he was allowed to do it in this innings by Umpire Koertzen).