Pakistan v Australia 2012 August 24, 2012

Warner confronts his spin blind-spot

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David Warner happily admits he struggled at times against the bevy of Australian spinners lined up on turning Darwin pitches in order to prepare him for the trip to the UAE. "The selectors have picked our best spinners over here to do the job," he said in Dubai. "And I know they can definitely do the job because when I face them in the nets I have a bit of trouble as well."

Though the admission was made primarily as a way of supporting the slow bowlers chosen for the tour, it said as much about the greatest blind-spot in Warner's batting as it did about the skills of Xavier Doherty, Glenn Maxwell and Steven Smith.

Ten months into Warner's time as an Australia opening batsman in all three formats, his development of a cogent plan of attack against quality spin bowlers remains a work in progress. Given a few of the challenges ahead of Warner and Australia, time is running short for him to settle on one.

The most immediate task is that of finding a way to confound Pakistan's considerable spin battery, featuring Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman, Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Hafeez. All have different approaches and weaponry, all have experience of defeating the best batsmen, and all will look upon Warner as a potential weak spot should the pace bowlers fail to pluck an early wicket.

Warner's notional weakness against spin is something that has emerged over time on the international scene. In Australia, Warner has enjoyed his encounters with local slow bowlers more often than not, using hard local pitches - and his own self-confidence in familiar surrounds - to strike them brazenly through the line, without too many considerations for the spin.

Even as a New South Wales Second XI batsman Warner's methods to spinners were clear, his early days as a middle order batsman as speckled with sixes off the slow bowlers as it was with impetuous, middling scores that played as much part in his delayed entry to first-class ranks as any preconceived ideas that he was more a Twenty20 slogger than a batsman.

However the longer he has played around the world, and against spin bowlers of greater guile and experience than may often be found in Australia, Warner has shown evidence of a struggle. He has appeared happiest to take a hyper-aggressive approach to spin in T20 matches, favouring the audacity of the switch-hit to upset a slow bowler's rhythm and line, but in the longer forms has been unable to consistently find the right gears.

Over the course of this year's West Indies tour, Warner did make some progress, advancing from the leaden-footed drive that had him snicking Shane Shillingford to slip in Trinidad to a more varied method in Dominica, where he essayed the sweep shot with some success on a surface that spun. However he stumbled badly when confronted at Old Trafford with the only turning surface of the ODI tour of England in July.

Warner was holding a faltering innings together until James Tredwell pitched full and straight, finding a way past the batsman's wretchedly half-hearted attempt to sweep. It was a sight to make any batsman wince, and any spin bowler grin. Expect Rehman in particular to try to whir his zippy left-arm orthodox in the direction of Warner's front pad.

Australia's assistant coach, Justin Langer, had his own torments against spin when batting in the Test top order of course, floundering through a tour of Sri Lanka of 1999 when Muttiah Muralitharan routinely made him look ponderous. Langer would improve his methods enough to make a century on the team's next visit to Sri Lanka in 2004, but the lessons were sure to have informed his suggestion that spinning pitches and slow bowlers be provided in ample quantities during the Darwin camp.

Strike rotation is one area that Langer has pushed, particularly to Warner, but it will also be critical that the opener shows commitment to his chosen methods, whether it be to play from the crease and off the pitch or to follow his captain Michael Clarke's example of dancing feet. The sweep remains a very useful option - Matthew Hayden's 2001 tour of India still stands as proof of what strong use of the shot can do to improve the spin defusing skills of a batsman seldom considered nimble - so long as Warner learns from Old Trafford and uses it decisively.

"Everyone says that some of us struggle against spin bowling, we know they're going to have a lot of spin bowlers as well," Warner said of Pakistan. "As we've said, we've practised very hard the last couple of weeks against spin bowling, so we know that over here we're going to have to be at our best and keep rotating the strike through the middle period or the tough periods."

Should Warner succeed against spin over the next two weeks he will have added a critical element to his batting, particularly given that the ICC World Twenty20 is to be held in Sri Lanka, and a tour of India will follow the home summer.

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • on August 26, 2012, 8:04 GMT

    waooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • hyclass on August 26, 2012, 1:33 GMT

    @Meety..I dont like or dislike Warner. I do have an aversion to hype in advance of the facts. My sole regard is that the best 11 players take the field in their appropriate formats in their best batting positions with excellent plans and the physical ability and mental focus to execute those directives. Virtually none of the public statements made by CA or any of the players have proved correct for a number of years. In the end,the statements were so far removed from the facts that it was necessary for Argus to review the entire process. Only the capacity to observe everything exactly as it is,motivates the road to solution.Warners positives are that he has the capacity at times to score quickly and play long innings. Those seem to occur predominantly against weak opposition or on flat tracks or both. The comments on Perth were supported by the commentators at the time and I believe Dhoni's actions warranted investigation.If Warner produces quality,I will applaud,but not until then.

  • hyclass on August 26, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    @Marcio...if my observations are imbalanced,then explain his last 10 games please...6x ODI's, 2 x Aus A games and 2 x IPL games. His runs total from those games is 234 at an average of 26. That includes his highest score of 74 for Aus A against a virtual Leicester 2nd XI with 1st and 2nd gamers populating the attack. Remove that from his numbers and you have 160 runs at 20. His ODI average is a modest 32 and T20I average is 26. His Test average has already fallen to 42 and his 1st class average is now down to 51. I made these same observations when his Test and 1st class averages were far higher. If his results are the consequence of playing against quality opposition on full sized grounds then he will garner due credit. If,as took place in Perth against India,in Zimbabwe against opposition that the likes of Finch and Ferguson dined out on or on a postage stamp sized ground renowned for huge scores,then I deem them to be far less worthy of respect.His game has the failings I ascribed.

  • Marcio on August 25, 2012, 14:15 GMT

    @ hyclass, your references to Warner are anything but "well-considered" - they are extremely imbalanced. Your argument is basically that all his good scores can be ignored - including the 4 centuries he scored in internationals last season - his first year for Australia in tests and ODIs. Meanwhile all his low scores are "real". He also scored two centuries in his last two Champions League T20 games, and one in his short IPL stint last season. Warner is doing well, and he has the results to show for it after just one season in the big time. It is logical to think he will improve and continue to work on his weaknesses - and irrational to think he will somehow get worse to match your lowly opinion of him.

  • Meety on August 25, 2012, 14:15 GMT

    @hyclass - I respect your knowledge of the game & how you come to a conclusion. There are times when I think you get the conclusion wrong, but can respect the methodology - however, I really don't get why you have to be negative about current players. "...Warner's numbers are bloated by the 211 in Zimbabwe,the 180 in Perth and the 165* on Nth Sydney oval among others." - Mate, you take peak performances out of any batsmen in any format, if they haven't played 100 FC matches or ODIs - their stats will be skewed. The fact is, 2 yrs ago - Warner had FC stats that were poor. He doubled them. Warner's ODI record was poor a year ago, he has nearly doubled it in just over a year. I believe he is trending upwards.

  • on August 25, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    When Warner doesn't have dancing feet, how can he "follow his captain Micahel Clarke's example of dancing feet"? Michel possess nimble feet. Clarke could even have become a ballet dancer! Also using his slim body and 'pretty' face; of course on both counts, age is gradually showing up! But for Warner, there are 3 options. 1) Hit out or get out. But OK only for T-20. 2) Build up more confidence while playing spinners, in playing any shot. Half heated aggressiveness is worse than timidity. Even while attempting the sweep shot. 3) Perfect the switch hit and deploy it, to disrupt the opposition, till ICC declares it illegal. Of course, there is a 4th one: Don't play tests!

  • bumsonseats on August 25, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    some time randy you can be as articulate as meety very similar perhaps 2 minds or 1

  • whatawicket on August 25, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    we will see how good the aussies are if they can defeat the affies, then move on to pakistan. as the captain is the only one able to play spin with any semblance of skill.

  • hyclass on August 25, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    @RandyOz...If you have an interest in cricket,then talk about cricket please.If you want to make a point about Warner,then do so and if you wish to provide well researched statistics that you believe support your hypothesis,the opportunity exists on this site.If you believe there is merit to your opinion,provide the evidence.It wont be hard to find if its true.If you want to make valid comparisons between the previous selectors and I,formulate a well considered position and provide the one missing essential ingredient from all your blogs-well researched EVIDENCE.Otherwise,stop wasting the time of people who do make the effort.

  • hyclass on August 25, 2012, 8:19 GMT

    With respect to Hughes@Meety,I remain unconvinced that he is applying his intelligence enough.His season with Worcs is reasonable with 2 List A 100s & 2 1st class 100s & numerous 50s in all formats.Also the weather has had a big influence on the wickets. My concern with Hughes is that he is no longer making those big conversions of 50s to 100s. In each game that he made a 100,he also failed. I'm convinced that his change of grip and associated front shoulder position are behind it. On each occasion that he passes a milestone and puts the foot down,he is caught.His original and unusual grip changed the geometry of his shot giving him greater and later control. The more orthodox version has removed that. His 1st class average reached 62. Its now down below 47,despite 19 centuries. I dont want to see him near the Test side until his 1st class average is closer to 60 again. Someone suggested the ODI side could be an option.I dont want him lost to Tests but do want him smarter & better.

  • on August 26, 2012, 8:04 GMT

    waooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • hyclass on August 26, 2012, 1:33 GMT

    @Meety..I dont like or dislike Warner. I do have an aversion to hype in advance of the facts. My sole regard is that the best 11 players take the field in their appropriate formats in their best batting positions with excellent plans and the physical ability and mental focus to execute those directives. Virtually none of the public statements made by CA or any of the players have proved correct for a number of years. In the end,the statements were so far removed from the facts that it was necessary for Argus to review the entire process. Only the capacity to observe everything exactly as it is,motivates the road to solution.Warners positives are that he has the capacity at times to score quickly and play long innings. Those seem to occur predominantly against weak opposition or on flat tracks or both. The comments on Perth were supported by the commentators at the time and I believe Dhoni's actions warranted investigation.If Warner produces quality,I will applaud,but not until then.

  • hyclass on August 26, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    @Marcio...if my observations are imbalanced,then explain his last 10 games please...6x ODI's, 2 x Aus A games and 2 x IPL games. His runs total from those games is 234 at an average of 26. That includes his highest score of 74 for Aus A against a virtual Leicester 2nd XI with 1st and 2nd gamers populating the attack. Remove that from his numbers and you have 160 runs at 20. His ODI average is a modest 32 and T20I average is 26. His Test average has already fallen to 42 and his 1st class average is now down to 51. I made these same observations when his Test and 1st class averages were far higher. If his results are the consequence of playing against quality opposition on full sized grounds then he will garner due credit. If,as took place in Perth against India,in Zimbabwe against opposition that the likes of Finch and Ferguson dined out on or on a postage stamp sized ground renowned for huge scores,then I deem them to be far less worthy of respect.His game has the failings I ascribed.

  • Marcio on August 25, 2012, 14:15 GMT

    @ hyclass, your references to Warner are anything but "well-considered" - they are extremely imbalanced. Your argument is basically that all his good scores can be ignored - including the 4 centuries he scored in internationals last season - his first year for Australia in tests and ODIs. Meanwhile all his low scores are "real". He also scored two centuries in his last two Champions League T20 games, and one in his short IPL stint last season. Warner is doing well, and he has the results to show for it after just one season in the big time. It is logical to think he will improve and continue to work on his weaknesses - and irrational to think he will somehow get worse to match your lowly opinion of him.

  • Meety on August 25, 2012, 14:15 GMT

    @hyclass - I respect your knowledge of the game & how you come to a conclusion. There are times when I think you get the conclusion wrong, but can respect the methodology - however, I really don't get why you have to be negative about current players. "...Warner's numbers are bloated by the 211 in Zimbabwe,the 180 in Perth and the 165* on Nth Sydney oval among others." - Mate, you take peak performances out of any batsmen in any format, if they haven't played 100 FC matches or ODIs - their stats will be skewed. The fact is, 2 yrs ago - Warner had FC stats that were poor. He doubled them. Warner's ODI record was poor a year ago, he has nearly doubled it in just over a year. I believe he is trending upwards.

  • on August 25, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    When Warner doesn't have dancing feet, how can he "follow his captain Micahel Clarke's example of dancing feet"? Michel possess nimble feet. Clarke could even have become a ballet dancer! Also using his slim body and 'pretty' face; of course on both counts, age is gradually showing up! But for Warner, there are 3 options. 1) Hit out or get out. But OK only for T-20. 2) Build up more confidence while playing spinners, in playing any shot. Half heated aggressiveness is worse than timidity. Even while attempting the sweep shot. 3) Perfect the switch hit and deploy it, to disrupt the opposition, till ICC declares it illegal. Of course, there is a 4th one: Don't play tests!

  • bumsonseats on August 25, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    some time randy you can be as articulate as meety very similar perhaps 2 minds or 1

  • whatawicket on August 25, 2012, 11:13 GMT

    we will see how good the aussies are if they can defeat the affies, then move on to pakistan. as the captain is the only one able to play spin with any semblance of skill.

  • hyclass on August 25, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    @RandyOz...If you have an interest in cricket,then talk about cricket please.If you want to make a point about Warner,then do so and if you wish to provide well researched statistics that you believe support your hypothesis,the opportunity exists on this site.If you believe there is merit to your opinion,provide the evidence.It wont be hard to find if its true.If you want to make valid comparisons between the previous selectors and I,formulate a well considered position and provide the one missing essential ingredient from all your blogs-well researched EVIDENCE.Otherwise,stop wasting the time of people who do make the effort.

  • hyclass on August 25, 2012, 8:19 GMT

    With respect to Hughes@Meety,I remain unconvinced that he is applying his intelligence enough.His season with Worcs is reasonable with 2 List A 100s & 2 1st class 100s & numerous 50s in all formats.Also the weather has had a big influence on the wickets. My concern with Hughes is that he is no longer making those big conversions of 50s to 100s. In each game that he made a 100,he also failed. I'm convinced that his change of grip and associated front shoulder position are behind it. On each occasion that he passes a milestone and puts the foot down,he is caught.His original and unusual grip changed the geometry of his shot giving him greater and later control. The more orthodox version has removed that. His 1st class average reached 62. Its now down below 47,despite 19 centuries. I dont want to see him near the Test side until his 1st class average is closer to 60 again. Someone suggested the ODI side could be an option.I dont want him lost to Tests but do want him smarter & better.

  • hyclass on August 25, 2012, 8:08 GMT

    @Meety...I cant understand why this Aus team continues its foot in mouth policy.I guess time will tell us more with respect to Warner.My view of him is that his technique is orthodox but relies on sheer physicality & reflexes & a one speed plan based around off stump.I would describe him as a poor man's Gilchrist in some respects.My views reflect this article that suggests that his failing is only against spin.I thoroughly disagree.I see a game that succeeds against mediocre attacks or flat wickets or both & then only at its peak.As soon as the intensity drops off,the game goes to pieces.His inconsistency is a result of the aftermath of that intensity which cannot be maintained.His ODI & T20I records are quite average & I expect his Test & 1st class averages to follow.My comments on the Perth Test were reflected by the commentators at the time with regard to Dhoni's actions.Warner's numbers are bloated by the 211 in Zimbabwe,the 180 in Perth and the 165* on Nth Sydney oval among others

  • RandyOZ on August 25, 2012, 6:11 GMT

    @hyclass, again you select facts to back up your argument only when it suits you. Some are the only way to judge people, some are flattering. You are no different to the previous selectors; you pick favourites.

  • on August 25, 2012, 0:26 GMT

    This guy is only 25, a lot of other Australian players became better players of spin well into their 30s after a lot of hard work and training. Warner is not gonna change overnight but give him 5 years and he'll have no problem with spinners.

  • Meety on August 24, 2012, 23:51 GMT

    @hyclass - I agree with what you say regarding Oz batsmen v spin bowlers. I think Oz's biggest problems is not that they get out much to spinners, they don't seem to have many modes of scoring runs, which in turn creates pressure. I am happy that Warner is talking about rotating the strike more, as that is what good batsmen from the SC seem to do, they are not always looking for 4-balls. I do disagree re: Warner. Whilst I'd prefer he didn't say stuff like he did about reverse sweeping Swann, I believe he is a lot better batsmen than people give him credit for. Allowing for "hard hands" in his technique, is that really so different to Phil Hughes in unorthodoxness? The results will ultimately be the proof either way. I actually would prefer if Warner gives up T20 cricket after this W/Cup & ODIs after the 2015 W/Cup & concentrate on being the great batsmen he COULD be!

  • on August 24, 2012, 17:50 GMT

    hafeez is to be bowled 1st or 2nd over..!!! surely

  • Omarrz on August 24, 2012, 15:43 GMT

    "All have different approaches and weaponry, all have experience of defeating the best batsmen, and all will look upon Warner as a potential weak spot should the pace bowlers fail to pluck an early wicket."

    Who says that Pak fast bowler will be opening the bowling? Warner is a leftie with a weakness against spin. Expect Hafeez to bowl the first over! ;)

  • on August 24, 2012, 14:42 GMT

    @Marcio, dude warner must be a great talent and thats the reason why he is opening in three formats for ausies but the question is will he be able to make his mark .. Chances are there but keeping in mind pak's world's best spin bowling .. they are looking very narrow.. No doubt both teams are 50/50 as conditions will be suiting to pakistan and australia as everyone knows is the best fightback team.. they never surrender .. Lets wait and c .. let me tell u one thing except spin the biggest problem for aussies would be temprature and humidity .. they would feel themselves lucky that matches will start after 6PM .. but its still very hot in the night.. Best of luck for both teams..

  • Hassan_U on August 24, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    Lets wait and see what happens. Even though I be wanted Pakistan to win. But would like Warner to do the business the way he knows best! Would be nice if Punter was still in Australian Team.

  • on August 24, 2012, 13:15 GMT

    Australian players always loose morals and confidence of Paksitani Team & players by praising them too much.... this is an Australian strategy to make pakistani team relax that they are no 1 players.... I know Saeed Ajmal, Abdul Rehman, Raza Hassan etc are great spinners but Pakistan should not be relax... Pakistani team needs more hardwork to win against Australia....

  • on August 24, 2012, 13:09 GMT

    Best of Luck Australia, against premium spin

  • Porky_PigTheToon on August 24, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    I somewhat agree with Marcio. Of course IPL (and now BPL and SLPL too) has helped overseas batsmen work on their technique against spinners. But still Warner is vulnerable to Right Hand off-spinners. Even someone like Raina (let alone Ajmal) would be dangerous for Warner or other left-hand batsmen from Aus or NZ or Eng. But what IPL has been doing, it has been making these overseas fast track batsmen habitual of playing spin. On slow tracks of UAE, I don't expect much from Australian batsmen as Spin-Bowling attack of Hafeez-Afridi-Ajmal would be too hot to handle. Btw, Pakistan have been white-washed by England here in UAE. So they too would be worried a bit.

  • hyclass on August 24, 2012, 11:55 GMT

    I dont subscribe to the idea that Aus are terrible against spin. The wickets in the recent WI series turned square from day one.The WI team built their game plans around it & Australia were competitive without being dominating & came away with the points.Australia also played on a hideous 1st Test wicket in SL that saw the game finished in 2 days & very fortunately came out on top.That pitch was sanctioned by the ICC & was too tough even for the home side.Many Australian players are regularly exposed to spin while playing on the gruelling County Cricket circuit.The weather conditions often have an impact on the nature of the wickets there,turning medium pacers & finger spinners into unplayable match winners.The SCG pitch regularly takes turn early,as do The Gabba,The Adelaide Oval & MCG as the match enters days 3 & 4.Warners game is built around an off-stump line & hard fast hands.He fails wider of off with bounce & on or outside leg with bounce where his bat has to travel further.

  • hyclass on August 24, 2012, 11:31 GMT

    Warner has significantly more holes than against spin alone. His record severely flatters him. There can be little question that the Indian team were at an all time low after being thrashed in England and with virtually no attack when they played Australia recently. The debut medium pacer Kumar took the 3rd over in Perth on his least familiar surface to ridiculous fields while Ishant,after beating the bat several times in his first over,was banished. The captaincy by Dhoni was inexplicable and warranted investigation. Warner also dined out in Zimbabwe for Aus A,as did many other mediocre and now distant team mates to bloat his 1st class numbers. His NSW record 165* List A was at Nth Sydney oval,a notoriously flat wicket, postage stamp sized ground. The IPL has bloated his T20 numbers. When confronted by quality attacks that get bounce and movement,his game comes apart.He's inconsistent because his normal game operates only at its pinnacle. His 'reverse sweep Swann' statement backfired.

  • Marcio on August 24, 2012, 11:25 GMT

    @Shah Hussain, the problem is you have kept telling yourself this story so many times it has become a mythology. Australia won easily in the last two places where their were slow, turning wickets: S.L. and W.I. They also whipped BG in BG. They only lost a very tight 2-test series in IND, where only bad umpiring cost them a 1-1 result. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the only thing that matters is results, not the stories we keep telling ourselves to make ourselves feel superior to others. You think there are no spinners in the IPL or Champions league (both played in India?). Australian players have done exceptionally well in both. In fact in the last IPL Australian players stood out again and again. So the idea that Australians can't play in these conditions in T20 is nonsense.

  • on August 24, 2012, 10:57 GMT

    Michael Clarke is Aussies best spinner. He has proven record against Pakistan in UAE

  • on August 24, 2012, 10:50 GMT

    @ Shah Hussain: Hafeez isn't a leftarmer, he can be a bogeyman for left-hand batsmen yes, so hope he can make Warner his bunny. @Marcio: Not to say that Warner can't counter Ajmal and co, but there is no comparison between 250 run IPL bowling and Pakistanis (in Pakistan's domestic tournament 160 is a winning t20 total). Btw UAE is NOT the subcontinent, and contrary to popular belief, it is NOT Pakistan Part2! And the wickets aren't precisely rank turners.

  • Syed_imran_abbas on August 24, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    I am looking forward to it.. Lets see but it wil be good contest.. my worry is pakistan's fast bowling department. Pakistan lacks a geniune fast bowler and a geniune fast bowling allrounder. Razzaq is no more effective. Spin is definatley gona give trouble to aussies.

  • on August 24, 2012, 10:14 GMT

    warner will become hafeez bunny...warner lbw hafeez.....wait and see

  • paps123 on August 24, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    Except Mike Hussey, no other batsman in the Aussie line up is convincing against spin. When your game is not designed to play late, it is even more difficult against spin. But, if you admit that you are poor against something, that's the first step in overcoming it. Best of Luck to him.....

  • sarkar_babu on August 24, 2012, 10:11 GMT

    yes, be ready to face quality spin bolwing....ajmal, hafez, afridi, rehman...

  • on August 24, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    @Marcio well that is because T20 is a different ball game to Tests or even ODIs. The pitches are much flatter in T20s and there certainly isn't the kind of turn you will get on Day 3-5 in tests.

  • on August 24, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    @Marcio: Dude it's UAE we're talking about and one of the best spinners of the current times including Saeed Ajmal, Shahid Afridi but most probably he'll fall to either Hafeez or A.Rehman (Left arm spinners). His IPL or champions league isn't gonna help him much here.

  • ravi_hari on August 24, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    Most of the batsmen outside the sub-continent have struggled against spin. Even with Warne and Vettori in their sides, Auss and NZ do not have more than 1 or 2 batsmen who can negotiate spin. Clarke plays spin very well and none in NZ who can play spin well. Yes most of them have played in IPL but that does not ensure you learn how to tackle the turning ball. Warner being an opener will be playing spin in ODIs and Tests only if he plays a long innings. If that is the case by virtue of staying at the wkt for long he will have the confidence to play anything. In T20s he has only a few overs to 'hit' and that he does very well. Warner needs to improve his defence which will help him play spin well. Secondly, like Clarke and the Asians, he should learn to use his feet to reach to the pitch of the delivery to nullify any spin. That is how you can make the spinner think and earn short pitched and full deliveries which can be easily wacked to the boundary. Learn it Warner, sooner the better!

  • tanstell87 on August 24, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    Warner failed against English seamers & now its time to fail again against Pakistani & Afgani spinners !

  • Marcio on August 24, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    Warner has an excellent record in IPL and even better in Champions league (scored two huge centuries in his last two T20 games there). So why are people suggesting he'll struggle in the subcontinent? It's just weird if you ask me. In fact the exact opposite should be being discussed. How can we stop him repeating those performances?

  • dsig3 on August 24, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    I must admit he looks hopeless against them sometimes. I am sure he is working hard on it, many players have become good players of spin after hard work. If he puts his mind to it he will end up figuring it out so watch out. He would be a scary proposition for any slow bowler because the bloke can hit the ball for miles.

  • bouncedout on August 24, 2012, 8:28 GMT

    Aus have indeed picked thier best spinners but they are hardly likely to trouble Pakistan. They would be better sticking to their 'quicks' because, although average, they are at least likely to take one or two wickets. Their 'spinners' will struggle to take any wickets at all.

    Warner acknolwledges his struggles against spin but, to be fair, it could be any of the Aus batsmen saying that.

  • on August 24, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    Playing off-spinners is indeed a nightmare of Warner. His stay at crease would be fairly short.

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on August 24, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    best spinners have been picked? where is nathan lyon then?

  • shaileshacharya123 on August 24, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    i guess its nnothing to trouble warner with spin in sub contenient.....

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  • shaileshacharya123 on August 24, 2012, 7:51 GMT

    i guess its nnothing to trouble warner with spin in sub contenient.....

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on August 24, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    best spinners have been picked? where is nathan lyon then?

  • on August 24, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    Playing off-spinners is indeed a nightmare of Warner. His stay at crease would be fairly short.

  • bouncedout on August 24, 2012, 8:28 GMT

    Aus have indeed picked thier best spinners but they are hardly likely to trouble Pakistan. They would be better sticking to their 'quicks' because, although average, they are at least likely to take one or two wickets. Their 'spinners' will struggle to take any wickets at all.

    Warner acknolwledges his struggles against spin but, to be fair, it could be any of the Aus batsmen saying that.

  • dsig3 on August 24, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    I must admit he looks hopeless against them sometimes. I am sure he is working hard on it, many players have become good players of spin after hard work. If he puts his mind to it he will end up figuring it out so watch out. He would be a scary proposition for any slow bowler because the bloke can hit the ball for miles.

  • Marcio on August 24, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    Warner has an excellent record in IPL and even better in Champions league (scored two huge centuries in his last two T20 games there). So why are people suggesting he'll struggle in the subcontinent? It's just weird if you ask me. In fact the exact opposite should be being discussed. How can we stop him repeating those performances?

  • tanstell87 on August 24, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    Warner failed against English seamers & now its time to fail again against Pakistani & Afgani spinners !

  • ravi_hari on August 24, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    Most of the batsmen outside the sub-continent have struggled against spin. Even with Warne and Vettori in their sides, Auss and NZ do not have more than 1 or 2 batsmen who can negotiate spin. Clarke plays spin very well and none in NZ who can play spin well. Yes most of them have played in IPL but that does not ensure you learn how to tackle the turning ball. Warner being an opener will be playing spin in ODIs and Tests only if he plays a long innings. If that is the case by virtue of staying at the wkt for long he will have the confidence to play anything. In T20s he has only a few overs to 'hit' and that he does very well. Warner needs to improve his defence which will help him play spin well. Secondly, like Clarke and the Asians, he should learn to use his feet to reach to the pitch of the delivery to nullify any spin. That is how you can make the spinner think and earn short pitched and full deliveries which can be easily wacked to the boundary. Learn it Warner, sooner the better!

  • on August 24, 2012, 9:40 GMT

    @Marcio: Dude it's UAE we're talking about and one of the best spinners of the current times including Saeed Ajmal, Shahid Afridi but most probably he'll fall to either Hafeez or A.Rehman (Left arm spinners). His IPL or champions league isn't gonna help him much here.

  • on August 24, 2012, 10:05 GMT

    @Marcio well that is because T20 is a different ball game to Tests or even ODIs. The pitches are much flatter in T20s and there certainly isn't the kind of turn you will get on Day 3-5 in tests.