Pakistan v England 2011-12 February 19, 2012

Nothing bland about Finn's bowling

A place in Tests still eludes Steven Finn, but his one-day form is making a very strong case for a recall
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There is a stifled groan when Steven Finn appears to talk to the UK media. It is not that Finn is unfriendly or unpopular - far from it - more that, well, his press conferences can be a little bit bland.

That is not to say Finn is bland in everyday life. By all accounts, he is fine, easy-natured company with a sharp wit and ready smile. But, compared to some of his England colleagues - the likes of Graeme Swann or Kevin Pietersen - Finn offers the media very little in the way of 'sound bites.'

And why should he? Finn's job - and it is a job he is becoming very good at it - is to take the new ball for club and country and dismiss opposition batsmen. At present it is a role he is fulfilling only in limited-overs cricket at international level. Soon it will be a role he is fulfilling in the Test team. If you could invest in young men, you would put your shirt on him.

Finn, 22, has been one of the stars of England's ODI team in the UAE. He has claimed 11 wickets in the three games and has played a large part in helping England secure an unassailable 3-0 lead with one game to play. His bowling average in the series is just 8.36 and he has conceded a thrifty 3.06 runs per over. Even in a seam attack including such fine established international bowlers as James Anderson and Stuart Broad, Finn has stood out. Indeed, he has looked the best of the trio.

When it comes to the attributes of a top-quality fast bowler, Finn has a full hand. He has pace and height. He has an easy, repeatable action. He has stamina and strength and, now, he seems to have developed the skills to trouble good batsmen on good surfaces. It is not that he has just learned how to swing and reverse swing the ball, or that he now seems to gain more seam movement, it is that he has put the whole package together and added the vital ingredient - consistency - to his game.

Finn's bowling in the ODI series has been immaculate. He has maintained a horrid, nagging length that has left batsmen unsure whether to play forward or back, he has nipped the ball both ways off the seam and gained some swing. And he has done it all at pace. He has regularly exceeded 90mph and left a batsman as experienced as Younis Khan saying how surprised - and impressed - he was with Finn's aggression and hostility. With such a record, it is understandable that Finn reserves his eloquence for the pitch.

"I like to let my bowling do the talking," he said. "You can have all the bravado that you want, but if you bowl a heap of rubbish it's not going to help. It is important you back your words with actions and thankfully I've been doing that this series. Body language is definitely something that's important for a fast bowler and hopefully it's something I've added to my game."

In a weaker era of England cricket, a bowler of Finn's ability would already be a fixture in the Test side. As it is, however, he may need to be patient to displace Anderson and Broad - who are highly likely to form the two-man seam attack that England will field in Sri Lanka - while Tim Bresnan's excellent record and all-round skills also give him an edge.

"I feel as if I'm ready to play Test cricket," Finn said. "It's not in my hands whether I do or not. All I can do is keep trying to perform in every game that I'm picked to play. Every time I bowl well for England it does me no harm and I've targeted that Test place. By no means am I expecting to be in that Test team. It's just something I'm working towards.

"Test cricket is where I want to be. It's something I want to do for the rest of my career. By no means do I think I deserve to walk straight into that Test team. I haven't done myself any harm by bowling relatively well out here, so we'll see where we are if I'm picked in the Sri Lankan squad. I'm improving all the time."

For now Finn must be consoled by the knowledge that he is playing a large part in the improvement in England's limited-overs form. After the 5-0 ODI defeat England suffered in India and the 3-0 Test series defeat they suffered here, Finn feels England's performances in the UAE speak volumes for the character of the side and their hopes of challenging in the 2015 World Cup.

"It's important to win this ODI series," he said. "It's good for character building. We lost 5-0 in India and lost the Test series 3-0, so to come back and be 3-0 up in a four-match series is a very good effort mentally and physically. We've proved to ourselves that we can play in the sub-continent and we've developed plans that work in the sub-continent. We're just striving towards this 2015 World Cup. We've put a team together that can, hopefully, stay together 'til then and if we do that, this will put us in good stead.

"I wouldn't say winning the ODI series makes up for losing the Tests. But I would say that it shows we've improved and adapted to the conditions. To win here and have the chance to make it 4-0 on Tuesday is a great opportunity for us to ram home what a good ODI side we've become."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • JG2704 on February 21, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    @cricket0007 on (February 20 2012, 15:05 PM GMT) I would have Finn in above all the Australian bowlers. Let's face it all Australia have done it the last 3 series is drawn against SA which was an excellent result , drawn against NZ which was a terrible result and whitewashed India taking the blueprint from England who basically softened them up for you

  • JG2704 on February 21, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    @Sir_Freddie_Flintoff on (February 20 2012, 07:07 AM GMT) My biggest fear for Finn is that he won't get the opportunities due to Engs obsession with picking 6 (loosely termed) batsmen for all tests.

  • JG2704 on February 21, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    @Paul Rone-Clarke on (February 20 2012, 00:33 AM GMT) To be fair Cummings looked good and I always liked Hilfenhaus. I wouldn't slate their bowlers. I remember some of our fans dissing Ajmal and he had our batsmen reeling. Bowlers can improve.

  • on February 21, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    @jonesy2 So your saying that the likes of Anderson, Broad, Tremlett, Finn, Swann, Panesar & Bresnan are not good bowlers? If so, please enlighten us with a team with a better stock of options that have better stats to prove it...and not just your biased expert opinion.

  • jmcilhinney on February 21, 2012, 0:40 GMT

    @cricket0007, what a ridiculous statement. Noone here is trying to say that Finn is a god. All we're saying is that he is a very good bowler with the potential to be England's, and possibly the world's, best. Finn was taking wickets in the last Ashes but was dropped because he was giving away too many runs. He has improved in all areas since then and is now economical as well as dangerous. Australia have improved since that series but then so have England. This was a disappointing Test series in UAE but the next Ashes will be on England's home turf. Even if they are "home tigers", they will be home for that series.

  • jmcilhinney on February 21, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    @jonesy2, you seem to have a very poor grasp of what the word "literally" means. England have all the bowlers who wiped the floor with Australia during the last Ashes and certainly Broad, Bresnan and particularly Finn have all improved since then. You apparently have no cricket knowledge whatsoever.

  • drdani on February 20, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    i think the writer is getting too much excited...being a pakistani supporter i know that pak were not the type who could beat #1 test side 3-0..ajmal n rehman did not shower magic..eng just played sloppy...similarly here finn is not out of this world..instead pak has played sloppy...so anyone who is making finn a god should put aside the pot !!

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @cricket0007 on (February 20 2012, 15:05 PM GMT) I would have Finn in above all the Australian bowlers. Let's face it all Australia have done it the last 3 series is drawn against SA which was an excellent result , drawn against NZ which was a terrible result and whitewashed India taking the blueprint from England who basically softened them up for you

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @Sir_Freddie_Flintoff on (February 20 2012, 07:07 AM GMT) My biggest fear for Finn is that he won't get the opportunities due to Engs obsession with picking 6 (loosely termed) batsmen for all tests.

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @Paul Rone-Clarke on (February 20 2012, 00:33 AM GMT) To be fair Cummings looked good and I always liked Hilfenhaus. I wouldn't slate their bowlers. I remember some of our fans dissing Ajmal and he had our batsmen reeling. Bowlers can improve.

  • JG2704 on February 21, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    @cricket0007 on (February 20 2012, 15:05 PM GMT) I would have Finn in above all the Australian bowlers. Let's face it all Australia have done it the last 3 series is drawn against SA which was an excellent result , drawn against NZ which was a terrible result and whitewashed India taking the blueprint from England who basically softened them up for you

  • JG2704 on February 21, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    @Sir_Freddie_Flintoff on (February 20 2012, 07:07 AM GMT) My biggest fear for Finn is that he won't get the opportunities due to Engs obsession with picking 6 (loosely termed) batsmen for all tests.

  • JG2704 on February 21, 2012, 9:53 GMT

    @Paul Rone-Clarke on (February 20 2012, 00:33 AM GMT) To be fair Cummings looked good and I always liked Hilfenhaus. I wouldn't slate their bowlers. I remember some of our fans dissing Ajmal and he had our batsmen reeling. Bowlers can improve.

  • on February 21, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    @jonesy2 So your saying that the likes of Anderson, Broad, Tremlett, Finn, Swann, Panesar & Bresnan are not good bowlers? If so, please enlighten us with a team with a better stock of options that have better stats to prove it...and not just your biased expert opinion.

  • jmcilhinney on February 21, 2012, 0:40 GMT

    @cricket0007, what a ridiculous statement. Noone here is trying to say that Finn is a god. All we're saying is that he is a very good bowler with the potential to be England's, and possibly the world's, best. Finn was taking wickets in the last Ashes but was dropped because he was giving away too many runs. He has improved in all areas since then and is now economical as well as dangerous. Australia have improved since that series but then so have England. This was a disappointing Test series in UAE but the next Ashes will be on England's home turf. Even if they are "home tigers", they will be home for that series.

  • jmcilhinney on February 21, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    @jonesy2, you seem to have a very poor grasp of what the word "literally" means. England have all the bowlers who wiped the floor with Australia during the last Ashes and certainly Broad, Bresnan and particularly Finn have all improved since then. You apparently have no cricket knowledge whatsoever.

  • drdani on February 20, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    i think the writer is getting too much excited...being a pakistani supporter i know that pak were not the type who could beat #1 test side 3-0..ajmal n rehman did not shower magic..eng just played sloppy...similarly here finn is not out of this world..instead pak has played sloppy...so anyone who is making finn a god should put aside the pot !!

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @cricket0007 on (February 20 2012, 15:05 PM GMT) I would have Finn in above all the Australian bowlers. Let's face it all Australia have done it the last 3 series is drawn against SA which was an excellent result , drawn against NZ which was a terrible result and whitewashed India taking the blueprint from England who basically softened them up for you

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @Sir_Freddie_Flintoff on (February 20 2012, 07:07 AM GMT) My biggest fear for Finn is that he won't get the opportunities due to Engs obsession with picking 6 (loosely termed) batsmen for all tests.

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @Paul Rone-Clarke on (February 20 2012, 00:33 AM GMT) To be fair Cummings looked good and I always liked Hilfenhaus. I wouldn't slate their bowlers. I remember some of our fans dissing Ajmal and he had our batsmen reeling. Bowlers can improve.

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    @3liteindia on (February 19 2012, 14:52 PM GMT) Jimmy had a very poor world cup and a poor time in the Australian ODIs too. Maybe have a look at his figures in more recent times will give you a more accurate reading

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 21:29 GMT

    Got to be honest. If I was him I'd be really peeved at not getting a chance. He possibly is/would be right now our best pace bowler and he's not getting a test match. When he was dropped he was still taking wickets albeit he was going for too many runs in the eyes of the selectors. I wonder what he has to do to get in the side and what the batsmen have to do to get dropped. Part of me is pleased that England are doing well in the ODIs but part of me is thinking that if our batting had flidded up in the ODIs like it did in the test they may actually go with a method of trying to reduce the oppositions total further with an extra bowler rather than trying to increase our batting totals with the 6 batsmen which didn't work for the whole tour inc the warm up matches. I can see them picking Bopara ahead of Finn. If I was a selector I'd bring in Finn and either Bopara or Patel for Mogan and Bell for the SL series. At least try it for one match. You can always change it back

  • gunnerr4life on February 20, 2012, 20:13 GMT

    He will be a great , great bowler ! He's picking wickets for fun in dead conditions in UAE ... England need bowlers like Finn , who perform in all the conditions and not just on seaming wickets !

  • cricket0007 on February 20, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    how ironic it is to see english making each and every pathetic bowler of theirs a GOD hahaha aussies will spank u in the next ashes

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 10:11 GMT

    @3liteindia on (February 19 2012, 14:52 PM GMT) Jimmy had a very poor world cup and a poor time in the Australian ODIs too. Maybe have a look at his figures in more recent times will give you a more accurate reading

  • JG2704 on February 20, 2012, 9:55 GMT

    Got to be honest. If I was him I'd be really peeved at not getting a chance. He possibly is/would be right now our best pace bowler and he's not getting a test match. When he was dropped he was still taking wickets albeit he was going for too many runs in the eyes of the selectors. I wonder what he has to do to get in the side and what the batsmen have to do to get dropped. Part of me is pleased that England are doing well in the ODIs but part of me is thinking that if our batting had flidded up in the ODIs like it did in the test they may actually go with a method of trying to reduce the oppositions total further with an extra bowler rather than trying to increase our batting totals with the 6 batsmen which didn't work for the whole tour inc the warm up matches. I can see them picking Bopara ahead of Finn. If I was a selector I'd bring in Finn and either Bopara or Patel for Mogan and Bell for the SL series. At least try it for one match. You can always change it back

  • jonesy2 on February 20, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    england literally have no bowlers to speak of at all. i guess thats one of the reasons why they are such a shocking team

  • exiledtyke on February 20, 2012, 8:37 GMT

    At this point in time Bopara is a much better option at all levels of the game than Morgan who has been exposed during this tour as a one trick pony. Morgan needs some solid time in the county cricket to learn about the game to compliment his good hand-eye coordination and hitting.

    Would definitely leave Morgan out for game 4 for Buttler (if fit) or Bairstow (if Buttler can't make it).

  • YorkshirePudding on February 20, 2012, 8:27 GMT

    Finn has improved since his international debut in 2010 against Bangladesh. In 2010 he was bowling at 83-85 mph, now hes up around the 88-90 mph mark. Hes worked on his action and rectified the problem where he was falling over after delivery when he was straining for pace. Going into 2015, I can see the following 5 players forming in the core squad, Cook, Trott, Finn, Broad, Patel, and Bresnan. KP may still be around and if so he'll also make the team. In addition Buttler and Bairstow will more than likely be fighting for the place as Keeper, with Briggs, and Borthwick looking to be the spinner, Swann may make it but he'll be pushing 35/36. Batting wise Morgan, Bopara, Taylor, and Hales will be looking at securing the final batting place.

  • mariakhan on February 20, 2012, 7:34 GMT

    After 3-0 White wash in test Series ...Pakistan team cannot keep momentum ....Credit goes to England + Cook and Finn

  • Percy_Fender on February 20, 2012, 7:33 GMT

    It may be in hindsight saying this but I think England missed a trick in not having played Finn for the Test matches which they lost 3-0. I say this because on low bounce wickets like the sub continent and the middle east, the unnatural bounce that a 6' 7' bowler can generate from good length is not easy to handle. Magrath,Walsh and Ambrose just seemed to have to run in and the wickets came autoamatically.So Finn could have won England their latest series against Pakistan. The way the Pakistan top order has been playing him in the ODIs is a clear indication that though Broad and Anderson are there it is Finn that is setting the cat amongst the pigeons of Pakistan.

  • on February 20, 2012, 7:30 GMT

    He is doing fantastic bowliing.

  • landl47 on February 20, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    Finn is a very good bowler already and could be a great one if he continues to develop. It's going to be very hard to leave him out of the test team in Sri Lanka and in my view he's a certainty to make the England team for the English summer tests against West Indies and South Africa. England have brought him on at the right pace and now he's almost 23 he looks ready to be a test player. With Broad only 25, England looks set for a long run at the top. @Cummins_Hazlewood: do the scores 1-513, 5-620, 517 and 644 mean anything to you? Were the bowlers in those tests any of the 15 international standard fast bowlers Australia has?

  • SamRoy on February 20, 2012, 7:23 GMT

    I have been saying for 6 months now! This guy (Finn) is a real great in the making. Anderson, Broad, Swann are all very good and Bresnan's all round package is very appealing but can't induce that sense of fear in batsmen (except Anderson in extremely favourable swinging conditions) which will make them great. This guy can do that. He has all the potential to be the next Ambrose or Joel Garner. In my book the next great fast bowler after Dale Steyn if he stays relatively injury free. Only wished Amir hadn't ruined his career. Such an amazing talent. Pattinson and Pat Cummins are very fine talents too but not in Amir and Finn's category.

  • AJ_Tiger86 on February 20, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    As good as Finn is, I don't think he will ever get anywhere near the great Jimmy Anderson -- the best bowler in the world. In fact, Jimmy will end his career as one the game's all time greats. Finn is very good, but to even suggest that he might replace Jimmy in the test side is laughable.

  • asillypoint on February 20, 2012, 6:16 GMT

    @cummins-hazelwood - name those 15 international standard fast bowlers. In the words of "The Castle" - tell 'I'm he's dremin' son. Are these the 15 which are also NOT injury prone?

  • sabee66 on February 20, 2012, 6:13 GMT

    All of sudden he is a shark finn...lol where was he in the test when Pommies got the embarracement loss of their life 135 years...........lol they are good for the shorter term only Aussies will smash them in UAE in test like Pakistan did and the biggest test is coming up soon.... what happend to them in India in ODI's where was this shark finn...lol

  • cyniket on February 20, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    Finn is really special. He looks set to replace steyn as the world's finest bowler within a couple of years. It will be interesting to see if england will manage to dominate, as south africa have failed to do, with the world's best bowling attack. I'm worried that australia are not addressing our problems and we still have a lot of catching up to do, in order to give england a game. The emergence of finn only makes it seem harder, quite a lot harder.

  • kp289 on February 20, 2012, 4:46 GMT

    finn is truly the best england bowler in the sub-continent.... something dint have in the past!!!

  • on February 20, 2012, 4:09 GMT

    If Bresnan could develop his batting further to become a top class # 7, then maybe England could accomodate him in a 5-man attack in the test xi.

    But regardless of how superb he is bowling, its hard to see him cracking a place in the test xi for now.

  • Busie1979 on February 20, 2012, 3:50 GMT

    All you naysayers about Australia's bowling stocks note this - Everyone who has played for Australia in recent times has made a big impact, and many are taking piles of wickets outside the team but can't get a guernsey because the guys in the team are getting wickets. The only game where the opposition have dominated the Australian attack in the last 10 is South Africa in the second innings of the first test, after being bowled out for 96 in the first innings. The bowlers who have made an international impact are Harris, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Pattinson, Cummins, McKay, Bollinger, Lee, Lyon and Mitchell Johnson (who admittedly has been inconsistent). Guys who are belting on the door but can't get a game are Coulter-Nile, Cutting, Bird, Butterworth, McDermott, Cutting, O'keefe and possibly Hogan. Copeland is out of form but shown very good signs previously. Doherty had done well in ODIs, and Beer, Holland and Hauritz are all solid - and improving. Australia's problem is batting.

  • on February 20, 2012, 3:39 GMT

    The frailties of Pakistan batting against swing and seam bowling keeping to a tight line and length has been evident and conspicuous in the three ODI matches against England..Pakistan batsmen's inability to cope with Finns bowling has ben the primary cause for their undoing.Unless and until Pakistan master the art of playing swinging bowling and on pacy wickets, they cannot aspire to be world beaters that Chairman of PCB wants Pakistan to be.It is in this context that I support the decision of Zaka Ashraff to appoint Dave Whatmore as the Head coach of Pakistan cricket.Whatmore is highly skilled and experinced coach,who has gained world recognition.Just appointing and paying his salary only won't do.PCB must assign him a definite target to achieve within a given timeframe.And he should be made to understand tha ift the desired result is not forthcoming he should face the fate.We know Mohsin Khan,who has done a wonderful job,cannot live up to this expectation .

  • jmcilhinney on February 20, 2012, 3:22 GMT

    There is a lot of young fast bowling talent out there, particularly in England, Australia and SA. I think that the estimate of 15 international standard bowlers in Australia is a bit optimistic, given that the jury is still out on even Starc at the moment. That said, Cummins and Pattinson in particular have been impressive, although neither have played a lot yet. I think that it's a bad idea to write off Siddle, Hilfenhaus and Harris though. Harris is good if he can stay fit, while Siddle and Hilfenhaus both seem to have learned a similar lesson to Stuart Broad lately and benefited from it greatly. Philander and de Lange promise much for SA too. Suffice it to say that Finn is very good now and will only improve in time, so he will be one of the best fast bowlers in the world for some time to come.

  • on February 20, 2012, 2:32 GMT

    "and it is a job he's becoming very good at it" -maybe before calling someone bland, you should check your own grammar.

  • TontonZolaMoukoko on February 20, 2012, 2:16 GMT

    OhhhMattyMatty - even as a Pom over in Australia I can admit that the Aussie fast bowling reserves are pretty good, although 15 is stretching it a little. Cummins, Pattinson, Siddle (much improved), Harris, Hilfenhaus have all performed well, there are others in the ranks who could come in, personally I rate Coulter-Nile hugely, and they can be backed up by Watson/Marsh who can do a job as batting all rounder. They've also got a spinner who is ok now, so yes they've got a good attack. Despite this, I'd still say we have the edge, Anderson, Broad, Tremlett, Bresnan, Finn, Onions, Woakes, Swann, Panesar - all excellent bowlers. Just so long as Jade Dernbach gets nowhere near the test team I'll be happy.

  • on February 20, 2012, 0:33 GMT

    @ Cummins Hazlewood...Who would they be? I struggle to think of one. Siddle, Hilf and that, all look like poor English seamers from the early 1990's used to look, all pigeon toed and open chest and sweating buckets to bowl a barely respectable pace. Sure Hilf moves it, but who cares when he's barely bowling 86mph? Siddle looks like a coronory waiting to happen, if he gets any redder after two overs I'd call the physio. It's hard to imagine that anyone is chunkier than Siddle, but then you've got "Pie-Master" Harris or "Scattergun" Johnson and " Only want to play the money games Tate" and a collection of spinners that wouldn't look out of place at the Leverock school of "just rumbling in and letting it go" Yeah - great bowlers...for your local village. 15 world class bowlers? Don't make me laugh.

  • simon_w on February 19, 2012, 23:20 GMT

    @OhhhMattyMatty -- indeed... who said Australia had 15 international standard fast bowlers? Hilfenhaus and Siddle have been made to look _much_ better than they are in this Australian summer, I'm afraid. Cummins and Pattinson both look like they will probably prove to be international standard (although I think Pattinson, in particular, may already have had his best ever series for Australia), but I can't really think of any others. Harris is probably the best of the others, for my money, but he's hardly world class. There is something of a dearth of genuinely international standard fast bowlers at present -- SA have several, so do England, Pakistan have two in jail (but I'm not sure if Gul counts), Zaheer counts and Yadav looks promising, as does Cummins, and maybe Pattinson... who else? Kemar Roach, perhaps?

  • Nutcutlet on February 19, 2012, 22:28 GMT

    Finn is the real deal! I don't care that he doesn't throw out soundbites for the press to gobble up (why should he?); it's quite obvious to me that he is highly intelligent & knows precisely what he wants to do with a cricket ball in his hand, & what he wants - or doesn't want - to say. Re: selection for the Test side in SriLanka, I'd have him ahead of Jimmy because on the slow pitches that can be expected there; his additional pace & lift are more potent weapons than JA's movement through the air. Bresan has shown that he can operate on Bangladeshi strips & he must return to the XI. I'd like to see if Samit can be given a chance in the test side too. How about: AS, AC, JT, KP, Jos Buttler, EM (or SP), MP, TB, SB, GS/MP & SF? I reckon with three/four bowling allrounders, this side wouldn't be short of runs against average spinners. Given that Monty hasn't exactly let England down in the UAE, it may just be that he would be a better wicket-taking option than Swanny. Shock- horror!

  • Munkeymomo on February 19, 2012, 22:20 GMT

    Have to agree with 3liteindia with the added stipulation that Anderson is not a good ONE DAY bowler, test-wise, he is still among the best. He just cannot seem to grasp ODIs anymore, odd, considering he used to be a good ODI bowler. Bresnan would most likely be a better bet in ODIs from now-on though, extra batting too.

    It is good to see the improvement in Finn, he has looked promising since he debuted for Middlesex and has flourished into a fine quick.

  • on February 19, 2012, 22:08 GMT

    Nothing special in Fin bowling Its against Pakistan which is one of the weakest batting line up at moment . Look at opener batting average Hafeez 26 in 93 games farhat 30 in 50 matches while middles order is quite new except Younis khan & Misbah both doesn't deserve a place in ODI team may be Younis khan at certain extent but Misbah in ODI not at all.

  • Dannyballs84 on February 19, 2012, 22:02 GMT

    So encouraging Finn's aspirations being primarily in Tests. In the week KP has to fulfil media commitments for the IPL in the middle of the tour, its nice to see the 22 year old look to build on his drink carrier status. When Finn was removed from the ashes XI, he was the leading wicket taker in the series at that point. The one dayers in India last year and his form here suggest that he can now command not onnly a new found respect from batsman but also a different average, as although he impressed in Australia, at points he looked leaky. He will get his teat chance and im sure he'll take it, but im just so pleased thats his main aim!

  • JG2704 on February 19, 2012, 21:25 GMT

    Got to be honest. If I was him I'd be really peeved at not getting a chance. He possibly is/would be right now our best pace bowler and he's not getting a test match. When he was dropped he was still taking wickets albeit he was going for too many runs in the eyes of the selectors. I wonder what he has to do to get in the side and what the batsmen have to do to get dropped. Part of me is pleased that England are doing well in the ODIs but part of me is thinking that if our batting had flidded up in the ODIs like it did in the test they may actually go with a method of trying to reduce the oppositions total further with an extra bowler rather than trying to increase our batting totals with the 6 batsmen which didn't work for the whole tour inc the warm up matches. I can see them picking Bopara ahead of Finn. If I was a selector I'd bring in Finn and either Bopara or Patel for Mogan and Bell for the SL series. At least try it for one match. You can always change it back

  • on February 19, 2012, 20:51 GMT

    Finn is a great bowler in the making!

  • on February 19, 2012, 20:10 GMT

    Finn's height gives him a big advantage. it means that he can make the ball bounce even at a good length.. plus he's been doing a lot of damage in this series with his in seamers.. our batsmen all fail to play those.. because they try to play them to the leg side while what they should be doing is playing them straight and being a little more quick with the foot work..

  • zarasochozarasamjho on February 19, 2012, 19:53 GMT

    Pakistani batting and wicketkeeping have been particularly weak in recent years, far below test standard. It is the the high-class pace (failed in the current ODIs, though) and exceptionally high class spin bowling which has helped Pakistan win series after series in the last 18 months or so, coupled with the brilliant captaincy of Misbah (who underformed both as captain and player in the ODIs).

    Throught the test series and in the ODI series to date, the English pace bowling has been superb; and Finn was the most impressive. The amount of bounce and pace is understandable, given he is 6ft 7in. But the sheer consistency of his line and length was breathless. As a Pakistani supporter, I lament the fact that the Pakistani pace bowlers, who are more than capable, didn't/couldn't stick to line and length. Umar Gul, the so-called spearhead of Pakistan pace attack, has simply been awful in these first 3 ODIs. He can help himself by learning from a bowler much younger in age and experience.

  • OhhhMattyMatty on February 19, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    LOL 15 International standard bowlers in Australia? LOL! Does that include the hapless Hilfenhaus, the shoddy Siddle, the hefty Harris, the joke Johnson and the woeful Watson who got plundered for almost 3000 runs for just 56 wickets last Winter by England? LOL! Compared to even the likes of Onions, Shahzad and Woakes, who all can't get anywhere near our 1st XI, they are laughable!

  • zapeta on February 19, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Finn is far better than other england test bowlers, he should be a regular test team member for england

  • Mel-waas on February 19, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Watch out South Africa & Australia. There's a shark Finn moving around in English waters

  • voma on February 19, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    Finn must be in the test squad to face Sri Lanka , he has been outstanding in this ODI series . He takes wickets with ease , against the best batsmen . He must be kept active , he will spearhead Englands fast bowling attack very soon . Cant wait to see him retain the ASHES for England !

  • usmanHM on February 19, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    haha...adopted to conditions...If your team take this much time to adopt, this is totally rubbish. Pakistan is a bad one day side, you have defeated them n feeling that you are well up for 2015 world cup. Come on Pakistan is a better test team as they have players who can stay on wicket for some good number of sessions. But they are not good one day players. come on and understand that world cup is too far, wherein most of these players including Pepperson won't be there looking at his technique despite his century. THink of SriLanka and India first, where you are gonna get hammered in tests...In one dayers, u can win as there are so many restrictions for the good bowlers to go through your holes....Qouta of just 10 overs is an example

  • maddinson on February 19, 2012, 16:02 GMT

    Finn's bowling is mighty impressive. I don't read much about England's performance in Subcontinent but am surely looking forward for the next few Ashes series. Both Australia and England have very exciting fast bowlers particularly Australia who have at the moment about 15 international standard fast bowlers.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on February 19, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    Ask the Australia's batsmen what they think of Finn. And watch their eyes as the nightmare returns!

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on February 19, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    Ask the Australia's batsmen what they think of Finn. And watch their eyes as the nightmare returns!

  • playitstraight on February 19, 2012, 14:52 GMT

    Finn, Cook, Bopara and finally Pietersen have contributed to England's first series win in 3 years. Of course, captain Cook deserves most of the credit as he scored two centuries in a row and a half-century in the third match. Also, he has lead admirably well from the front. It will be interesting to see whether he will be handed over the Test captaincy soon or after Straussy steps down. Not taking anything away from Ravi though, he is developing to be England's backbone. Finn is definitely the best pace bowler that England have in ODIs. Anderson is highly overrated, we all saw how even the Netherlands were able to smash him for some 92 runs.

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  • playitstraight on February 19, 2012, 14:52 GMT

    Finn, Cook, Bopara and finally Pietersen have contributed to England's first series win in 3 years. Of course, captain Cook deserves most of the credit as he scored two centuries in a row and a half-century in the third match. Also, he has lead admirably well from the front. It will be interesting to see whether he will be handed over the Test captaincy soon or after Straussy steps down. Not taking anything away from Ravi though, he is developing to be England's backbone. Finn is definitely the best pace bowler that England have in ODIs. Anderson is highly overrated, we all saw how even the Netherlands were able to smash him for some 92 runs.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on February 19, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    Ask the Australia's batsmen what they think of Finn. And watch their eyes as the nightmare returns!

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on February 19, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    Ask the Australia's batsmen what they think of Finn. And watch their eyes as the nightmare returns!

  • maddinson on February 19, 2012, 16:02 GMT

    Finn's bowling is mighty impressive. I don't read much about England's performance in Subcontinent but am surely looking forward for the next few Ashes series. Both Australia and England have very exciting fast bowlers particularly Australia who have at the moment about 15 international standard fast bowlers.

  • usmanHM on February 19, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    haha...adopted to conditions...If your team take this much time to adopt, this is totally rubbish. Pakistan is a bad one day side, you have defeated them n feeling that you are well up for 2015 world cup. Come on Pakistan is a better test team as they have players who can stay on wicket for some good number of sessions. But they are not good one day players. come on and understand that world cup is too far, wherein most of these players including Pepperson won't be there looking at his technique despite his century. THink of SriLanka and India first, where you are gonna get hammered in tests...In one dayers, u can win as there are so many restrictions for the good bowlers to go through your holes....Qouta of just 10 overs is an example

  • voma on February 19, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    Finn must be in the test squad to face Sri Lanka , he has been outstanding in this ODI series . He takes wickets with ease , against the best batsmen . He must be kept active , he will spearhead Englands fast bowling attack very soon . Cant wait to see him retain the ASHES for England !

  • Mel-waas on February 19, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Watch out South Africa & Australia. There's a shark Finn moving around in English waters

  • zapeta on February 19, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Finn is far better than other england test bowlers, he should be a regular test team member for england

  • OhhhMattyMatty on February 19, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    LOL 15 International standard bowlers in Australia? LOL! Does that include the hapless Hilfenhaus, the shoddy Siddle, the hefty Harris, the joke Johnson and the woeful Watson who got plundered for almost 3000 runs for just 56 wickets last Winter by England? LOL! Compared to even the likes of Onions, Shahzad and Woakes, who all can't get anywhere near our 1st XI, they are laughable!

  • zarasochozarasamjho on February 19, 2012, 19:53 GMT

    Pakistani batting and wicketkeeping have been particularly weak in recent years, far below test standard. It is the the high-class pace (failed in the current ODIs, though) and exceptionally high class spin bowling which has helped Pakistan win series after series in the last 18 months or so, coupled with the brilliant captaincy of Misbah (who underformed both as captain and player in the ODIs).

    Throught the test series and in the ODI series to date, the English pace bowling has been superb; and Finn was the most impressive. The amount of bounce and pace is understandable, given he is 6ft 7in. But the sheer consistency of his line and length was breathless. As a Pakistani supporter, I lament the fact that the Pakistani pace bowlers, who are more than capable, didn't/couldn't stick to line and length. Umar Gul, the so-called spearhead of Pakistan pace attack, has simply been awful in these first 3 ODIs. He can help himself by learning from a bowler much younger in age and experience.