Pakistan v South Africa, 2nd Test, Dubai, 1st day October 23, 2013

Whatmore 'very frustrated' with batting mistakes

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Pakistan are likely to receive an Alex Ferguson-style hairdryer treatment from their coach Dav Whatmore, who admitted it was "very frustrating" to see his team go from dominating in Abu Dhabi to being dominated in Dubai. Whatmore said he would apply tough love with minimal sympathy because he held his charges responsible for their own downfall.

"It wasn't according to plan. We expected the opposition to come back strong but I don't think they did. We orchestrated most of our dismissals ourselves," Whatmore said. "I am trying to get a reason for it, whether its complacency or whether they thought they could carry on from 400 runs where they left off."

When asked whether he would admonish them, Whatmore was frank. "You need to do what you need to do and they have to allow me to do that. When it's time to be firm, you have to do that. They're expecting that. We will be having a little talk. We need to get it off our chests."

Special words will be reserved for Shan Masood and Azhar Ali, who made small starts and before being dismissed. "I am pretty angry with those two. You can't spend time and get a foundation and then get out when they did," Whatmore said.

Ali was out lbw, playing across the line to Morne Morkel to extend a lean run that has stretched from the Zimbabwe tour. Masood, who appeared to have settled in nicely after an hour of watchful batting, became Imran Tahir's first victim. He was the "lucky" wicket, as Whatmore called it, bowled off the inside edge after being drawn forward by the legspinner and the wicket sparked Tahir's five-for.

Although there was some turn in the surface as early as day one, Whatmore believed Pakistan flattered Tahir to some extent. "We played against him in a practice match in Kimberley earlier this year where he picked up wickets but he also got knocked around a bit," Whatmore said. "He did bowl pretty well. His first wicket was lucky and then he went on from there. We need to improve second time round."

Before Pakistan can even consider batting again, they need to fight their way back into the match by dismissing the rest of South Africa's line-up cheaply. Whatmore believes it can be done but only if Pakistan show more discipline. "We really need to pull the proverbial out to get back into this match," he said. "We still have to get another seven wickets. If we can do that in a reasonable time, then we will hopefully be able to bat at some point tomorrow. And then we need to bat and bat and bat."

Instead of identifying a score for Pakistan to bowl South Africa out for, Whatmore is thinking about the kind of lead they need to have to set South Africa a second-innings target. "[A score of]150 came into my mind. But I am not sure. We will know a bit more tomorrow," he said.

Recent history suggests Pakistan may need a bigger lead. After being bowled out for 99 by England in February last year, Pakistan went on to win the match by dismissing their opposition for 141 and then scoring 365 in their second innings. England had to chase 324 and fell 71 runs short, with Pakistan's spinners sharing six wickets between them in the second innings.

Whatmore is using that win as inspiration but South Africa are 29 ahead with plenty of batting to come. He knows the spinners will need something substantial to work: "It will be nice to have a reasonable bank of runs. Then the plan is for the spinners to come in."

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • Protears on October 23, 2013, 17:14 GMT

    Pakistan are a misnomer when it comes to the sub continent stereotype of playing spin well. As Waquar Younis eluded to in his commentary, Pakistan home pitches were conducive to seam bowling, it is why legendary names such as Khan, Younis himself, Akram, Akhtar to more modern proponents like Amir and Asif have trumped even legendary Pakistani spinners. Pakistan has produce far and above better quality Seamers than any other sub continent team and it was because Pakistan conditions are not that dissimilar to those in Australia and South Africa.

    Today Pakistan ran into a South African seam and spinning attack with serious points to prove, and exposed again a very fragile batting line up, this is not the first time this year South Africa have run though Pakistan.

    Feel really good for Tahir who today got it right and as Warne said, trust him and bowl him more as he can add variation to a very potent bowling attack.

  • gowtham792 on October 24, 2013, 9:12 GMT

    A coach who says 1-0 is as good as 2-0 deserves this.

  • KiwiRocker- on October 24, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    Imran Tahir did well. He deserves a praise, however, it should be seen in context. It was on a helpful pitch against an average batting line up. Pakistani batting line up is suffering from selectors mistakes. How can they drop Taufeeq Umer who has his best average against SA? Same batsman who scored a fine double hundred against SL. It makes no sense! Imran Tahir should also be using caution making statements. His statements will not go well with average Pakistani fan. He might be gained SA citizen by virtue of marrying a SA woman, however, he still comes to Abdul Qadir for tips. As a reference, Imran Tahir should learn from Fawad Ahmad who has held his compsure in Australia. If anything, Imran Tahir's statements will fire Pakistani batsmen and they may not have Salim Mailk, Javed Miandad, Inzemam Ul Haq or Saeed Anwar who could destroy any spinner, but there are still very fine players of spin such as Younis Khan who has mastered likes of Anil Kumble! It is one spell.Lets wait and see

  • Beertjie on October 24, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    Of course Pakistan fans are disappointed - I am too. But looking outside instead of inside is typical of those who set themselves up to fail. Spot on @SurlyCynic on (October 23, 2013, 19:25 GMT); @Khurram S Chaudhry on (October 23, 2013, 16:44 GMT). Whatmore himself must have had an inkling of what was to come, so agree @mazdonal on (October 23, 2013, 20:14 GMT).

  • on October 24, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    What a shame for Pakistan team. I never expected so low score. My expectation was at least 350 runs. Let us see how much lead they allow South Africa in their first innings and then fight back in the second innings to save the match at lease to a draw.

  • Fijicricket on October 24, 2013, 1:02 GMT

    Was Whatmore frustrated about mistakes or the fact that docotred pitches doesnot work against the world champions

  • on October 23, 2013, 23:11 GMT

    younis khan said two days ago he wants go out with a bang, and he does not know why he was cut from ODI, I guess now he knows because he went out with a bang

  • on October 23, 2013, 22:44 GMT

    Pathetic performance by Pakistani batsmen. Pakistan desperately need betting coach whoes priority should be two prone, first to prepare the solid openers, secondly to prepare tail to bat too. It is amazing to watch that some of the lower order batsmen don't even know how to hold the bat. Morever, our top order batsmen should be tought to play their shots in V-shape rather getting tempted and offer catches behind the wicket.

  • Chaudry_Cricket on October 23, 2013, 21:51 GMT

    Agree that all batsman (barring Misbah) threw their wickets away ... But Whatmore has to be one of the worst coaches to coach Pakistan, one day he says 1-0 is as good as 2-0 the next day he complains about the way they got out. Seriously thats what happens when you become complacent and are a defensive thinker ... Besides I believe it was Arjuna Ratunga who warned Pcb about appointing Whatmore as coach. (Well if only the pcb listened).

    Seriously lets get rid of Whatmore and get Waqar as bowling coach, keep Founatin as fielding coach and get Zaheer Abbas as batting coach/head coach and watch the difference.

  • on October 23, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    It's not Pakistan's but it is Karachi B team batting lineup. Why players like Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Harris Sohail, Sami Aslam are ignored again and again. Just because Misbah and selectors don't like them or they don't belong to a particular city.

  • Protears on October 23, 2013, 17:14 GMT

    Pakistan are a misnomer when it comes to the sub continent stereotype of playing spin well. As Waquar Younis eluded to in his commentary, Pakistan home pitches were conducive to seam bowling, it is why legendary names such as Khan, Younis himself, Akram, Akhtar to more modern proponents like Amir and Asif have trumped even legendary Pakistani spinners. Pakistan has produce far and above better quality Seamers than any other sub continent team and it was because Pakistan conditions are not that dissimilar to those in Australia and South Africa.

    Today Pakistan ran into a South African seam and spinning attack with serious points to prove, and exposed again a very fragile batting line up, this is not the first time this year South Africa have run though Pakistan.

    Feel really good for Tahir who today got it right and as Warne said, trust him and bowl him more as he can add variation to a very potent bowling attack.

  • gowtham792 on October 24, 2013, 9:12 GMT

    A coach who says 1-0 is as good as 2-0 deserves this.

  • KiwiRocker- on October 24, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    Imran Tahir did well. He deserves a praise, however, it should be seen in context. It was on a helpful pitch against an average batting line up. Pakistani batting line up is suffering from selectors mistakes. How can they drop Taufeeq Umer who has his best average against SA? Same batsman who scored a fine double hundred against SL. It makes no sense! Imran Tahir should also be using caution making statements. His statements will not go well with average Pakistani fan. He might be gained SA citizen by virtue of marrying a SA woman, however, he still comes to Abdul Qadir for tips. As a reference, Imran Tahir should learn from Fawad Ahmad who has held his compsure in Australia. If anything, Imran Tahir's statements will fire Pakistani batsmen and they may not have Salim Mailk, Javed Miandad, Inzemam Ul Haq or Saeed Anwar who could destroy any spinner, but there are still very fine players of spin such as Younis Khan who has mastered likes of Anil Kumble! It is one spell.Lets wait and see

  • Beertjie on October 24, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    Of course Pakistan fans are disappointed - I am too. But looking outside instead of inside is typical of those who set themselves up to fail. Spot on @SurlyCynic on (October 23, 2013, 19:25 GMT); @Khurram S Chaudhry on (October 23, 2013, 16:44 GMT). Whatmore himself must have had an inkling of what was to come, so agree @mazdonal on (October 23, 2013, 20:14 GMT).

  • on October 24, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    What a shame for Pakistan team. I never expected so low score. My expectation was at least 350 runs. Let us see how much lead they allow South Africa in their first innings and then fight back in the second innings to save the match at lease to a draw.

  • Fijicricket on October 24, 2013, 1:02 GMT

    Was Whatmore frustrated about mistakes or the fact that docotred pitches doesnot work against the world champions

  • on October 23, 2013, 23:11 GMT

    younis khan said two days ago he wants go out with a bang, and he does not know why he was cut from ODI, I guess now he knows because he went out with a bang

  • on October 23, 2013, 22:44 GMT

    Pathetic performance by Pakistani batsmen. Pakistan desperately need betting coach whoes priority should be two prone, first to prepare the solid openers, secondly to prepare tail to bat too. It is amazing to watch that some of the lower order batsmen don't even know how to hold the bat. Morever, our top order batsmen should be tought to play their shots in V-shape rather getting tempted and offer catches behind the wicket.

  • Chaudry_Cricket on October 23, 2013, 21:51 GMT

    Agree that all batsman (barring Misbah) threw their wickets away ... But Whatmore has to be one of the worst coaches to coach Pakistan, one day he says 1-0 is as good as 2-0 the next day he complains about the way they got out. Seriously thats what happens when you become complacent and are a defensive thinker ... Besides I believe it was Arjuna Ratunga who warned Pcb about appointing Whatmore as coach. (Well if only the pcb listened).

    Seriously lets get rid of Whatmore and get Waqar as bowling coach, keep Founatin as fielding coach and get Zaheer Abbas as batting coach/head coach and watch the difference.

  • on October 23, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    It's not Pakistan's but it is Karachi B team batting lineup. Why players like Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Harris Sohail, Sami Aslam are ignored again and again. Just because Misbah and selectors don't like them or they don't belong to a particular city.

  • PakFollower on October 23, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    Coach, Pak batsmen should have a plan against Tahir. He is the only specialist spinner South Africa has and it is no brainier that he was coming to rescue #1 test playing team on spinning wickets.

  • mazdonal on October 23, 2013, 20:14 GMT

    Seems like after the fluke of the first Test, Dav Whatmore started getting his exit strategy ready and saying that one Test out of two is good enough. He believed that this was too good to be true. He had half an expectation that this would happen as it had done so many times before. Anyway we have been saying in the Test series in South Sfrica, well it is only one innings. Wait till they get another chance. And what happened: exactly the same. Let's see what happens in this one.

  • on October 23, 2013, 20:11 GMT

    Pathetic batting by Khurram Manzoor, Younis Khan and Azhar Ali. The collpase triggered was initiated due to their poor shot selection and childish foot-work :-@

  • on October 23, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    Of what I understand from the article, Whatmore is more worried about Pakistan's 2nd innings and setting SA a reasonable target. His total focus right now should be to get the remaining 7 SA wickets ASAP.

  • SurlyCynic on October 23, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    @Muhummud Usman - After the first test I praised the Pakistan bowling, as did the SA team. So no double standards here. Whatmore doesn't have to comment on SA if he doesn't want to, but if he says they 'didn't come hard' then I'm going to disagree, after watching the efforts the bowlers put in! After all, that's what a comments section is for.

  • amumtaz on October 23, 2013, 18:57 GMT

    There is a reason why Pakistan team is where it is today. The players lack application, discipline and mental strength. They are playing shots as if appearing in a Sunday afternoon club cricket tournament. Cross batted shots, fishing deliveries outside the off stump, gunning for runs that do not exist and watching for unplayable googlies that do not come.

    More than cricket, they need to shape up or they could be #10 on the Cricket Rankings by the end of this season.

  • on October 23, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    Ebrahim, SurlyCynic, Matthew Gardner- where were you guys when no one was appreciating Pakistans great bowling performance in the first test. It is Whatmores job to coach Pakistan, that is all he should be thinking about and he should be looking into the reasons behind why Pakistan batted poorly. It is the commentators and medias job to praise good performances which they clearly didnt do in the first test. Boys what you are doing is using double standards.

  • Stark62 on October 23, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    I concur with the coach!!

    Both Maznoor and Younis had no right to be fetching the ball outside the offstump and Misbah's wicket was the only genuine wicket taken by Tahir, whilst the others looked like they were gifted to him.

    Anyway, I was expecting a performance reminiscent of today in the first test from the batsmen but thanks to Kallis and Manzoor, that didn't happen.

    Pak batsmen will keep getting rolled over for a score under a 100, unless they induct the best batsmen from the domestic circuit and not relatives/friends or players with higher links.

  • on October 23, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    At 52 for 2 you have to wonder what went wrong. Its not as if we cant play spinners. The shot selection was suspect. I am sure Firdose Moonda could have made more runs.

  • Dhumper on October 23, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    Completely agree with Whatmore - Granted Tahir and Steyn bowled well but most dismissals were self destruction. Our batsmen can play way better than that on these spinning tracks as we showed in first test. Just have to apply themselves in 2nd innings. Big hole but not over yet.

  • on October 23, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Shocking comments! No recognition that the opposition bowled well. Steyn was awesome up front - incredible with the reverse swing as well (which none of the Pak bowlers really managed to get). Tahir was great as well - awesome variations and very few long hops. I'm really disappointed. Credit should be given where credit is due. SA outplayed Pak today in the same way that Pak outplayed SA in the first test.

  • on October 23, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    He is not saying that SA were not good but it is the fact that some of wickets by paksitan batsmen were poor and they played a part in it themselves. No surprise though as paksitan have been doing it in all 3 formats regularly in last couple of years. It is simply the case of seeing same pakistan again after 1 match break.

    SA are tougher than england and i would say that they bowled well as always. but most importantly it was their batting which has taken the game away from paksitan. they reached 99 for loss of 2 wickets and that makes their job more easy. and eyeing a big lead now.

    paksitan have to work so hard to get back into the game. which will be difficult. Sa plays better against ajmal and paksitan fast bowlers were ineffective today so it is a hard task. & more importantly the batting in 2nd innings.

  • SurlyCynic on October 23, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    To say that he 'doesn't think' SA came back strong seems a bit disrespectful of their efforts. Sure, Pakistan contributed to some of the dismissals. But anyone who saw the effort Steyn put in, bowling with gas after only just overcoming an injury, would have to describe that as 'coming back strong'.

  • liaqathussain on October 23, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    South africa isnt england, so don't expect them to fold for 140 odd in the first innings,

    Joke of a batting display, Pakistan showed signs on their batting in the 2nd inning while chasing 40 runs,

    today they just carried on from there, Imran did what he had to, Series will be 1-1 by day 4 with s/a achieving a inning vicory

  • on October 23, 2013, 15:42 GMT

    Appalling Comments by Dav Whatmore...even South Africa,the no.1 test team admitted that the opposition had outplayed them when they were defeated on the first day of last test match..but whatmore refuses to credit the opposition for at least bowling them out,let alone below 100!

  • on October 23, 2013, 15:42 GMT

    Appalling Comments by Dav Whatmore...even South Africa,the no.1 test team admitted that the opposition had outplayed them when they were defeated on the first day of last test match..but whatmore refuses to credit the opposition for at least bowling them out,let alone below 100!

  • liaqathussain on October 23, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    South africa isnt england, so don't expect them to fold for 140 odd in the first innings,

    Joke of a batting display, Pakistan showed signs on their batting in the 2nd inning while chasing 40 runs,

    today they just carried on from there, Imran did what he had to, Series will be 1-1 by day 4 with s/a achieving a inning vicory

  • SurlyCynic on October 23, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    To say that he 'doesn't think' SA came back strong seems a bit disrespectful of their efforts. Sure, Pakistan contributed to some of the dismissals. But anyone who saw the effort Steyn put in, bowling with gas after only just overcoming an injury, would have to describe that as 'coming back strong'.

  • on October 23, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    He is not saying that SA were not good but it is the fact that some of wickets by paksitan batsmen were poor and they played a part in it themselves. No surprise though as paksitan have been doing it in all 3 formats regularly in last couple of years. It is simply the case of seeing same pakistan again after 1 match break.

    SA are tougher than england and i would say that they bowled well as always. but most importantly it was their batting which has taken the game away from paksitan. they reached 99 for loss of 2 wickets and that makes their job more easy. and eyeing a big lead now.

    paksitan have to work so hard to get back into the game. which will be difficult. Sa plays better against ajmal and paksitan fast bowlers were ineffective today so it is a hard task. & more importantly the batting in 2nd innings.

  • on October 23, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Shocking comments! No recognition that the opposition bowled well. Steyn was awesome up front - incredible with the reverse swing as well (which none of the Pak bowlers really managed to get). Tahir was great as well - awesome variations and very few long hops. I'm really disappointed. Credit should be given where credit is due. SA outplayed Pak today in the same way that Pak outplayed SA in the first test.

  • Dhumper on October 23, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    Completely agree with Whatmore - Granted Tahir and Steyn bowled well but most dismissals were self destruction. Our batsmen can play way better than that on these spinning tracks as we showed in first test. Just have to apply themselves in 2nd innings. Big hole but not over yet.

  • on October 23, 2013, 17:28 GMT

    At 52 for 2 you have to wonder what went wrong. Its not as if we cant play spinners. The shot selection was suspect. I am sure Firdose Moonda could have made more runs.

  • Stark62 on October 23, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    I concur with the coach!!

    Both Maznoor and Younis had no right to be fetching the ball outside the offstump and Misbah's wicket was the only genuine wicket taken by Tahir, whilst the others looked like they were gifted to him.

    Anyway, I was expecting a performance reminiscent of today in the first test from the batsmen but thanks to Kallis and Manzoor, that didn't happen.

    Pak batsmen will keep getting rolled over for a score under a 100, unless they induct the best batsmen from the domestic circuit and not relatives/friends or players with higher links.

  • on October 23, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    Ebrahim, SurlyCynic, Matthew Gardner- where were you guys when no one was appreciating Pakistans great bowling performance in the first test. It is Whatmores job to coach Pakistan, that is all he should be thinking about and he should be looking into the reasons behind why Pakistan batted poorly. It is the commentators and medias job to praise good performances which they clearly didnt do in the first test. Boys what you are doing is using double standards.

  • amumtaz on October 23, 2013, 18:57 GMT

    There is a reason why Pakistan team is where it is today. The players lack application, discipline and mental strength. They are playing shots as if appearing in a Sunday afternoon club cricket tournament. Cross batted shots, fishing deliveries outside the off stump, gunning for runs that do not exist and watching for unplayable googlies that do not come.

    More than cricket, they need to shape up or they could be #10 on the Cricket Rankings by the end of this season.