Pakistan v South Africa, 5th ODI, Sharjah

De Villiers, pacers secure 4-1 victory

The Report by Firdose Moonda

November 11, 2013

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South Africa 268 for 7 (de Villiers 115*, Ajmal 3-45) beat Pakistan 151 (Maqsood 53, Parnell 3-36) by 117 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Vernon Philander exults after trapping Umar Amin lbw, Pakistan v South Africa, 5th ODI, Sharjah, November 11, 2013
Playing his first ODI since January 2012, Vernon Philander picked up early wickets with his accuracy and consistent length © Associated Press

AB de Villiers became the fastest South African to 6000 ODI runs, scored the century that formed the backbone of their innings and led South Africa to a 4-1 series win over Pakistan. South Africa had lost to Sri Lanka by the same margin in August this year, and the side has since made noticeable improvements, particularly in the batting department.

Although not yet the finished product, their line-up is showing signs of maturity and responsibility, characterised by de Villiers' knock - a well-paced innings of two halves in which he was willing to do the hard work to find fluency on a difficult batting surface.

His first fifty was circumspect, coming off 70 balls with a single boundary - a big six to bring up the landmark. That was the indication of de Villiers' readiness to change gears. His next fifty was blasted off 29 balls.

The 83-run sixth-wicket stand de Villiers shared with Ryan McLaren took the innings from ordinary to outstanding. With 114 runs added in the last 10 overs, de Villiers ensured South Africa's new-look attack, with Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel and Imran Tahir rested, would not be under much pressure. Instead, it was the Pakistan line-up who faced that burden and, once again, they could not stand up to the challenge in a series where the team batting second has not won a single game.

South Africa wanted to set right their last batting performance in Sharjah, in the first ODI, when they were dismissed for 183 but they started off shakily. Mohammad Irfan accounted for Hashim Amla in the first over when he hit the opener on the front pad. Amla considered a review but erroneously decided against it. Replays showed the ball had pitched outside leg stump. That made it the fifth time Irfan accounted for Amla's wicket in eight ODIs - the most number of times a bowler has dismissed Amla.

Quinton de Kock and Faf du Plessis crafted a cautious stand, scoring at just over four an over. Their biggest over was the one in which de Kock, fresh off a century in the previous match, sensed an opportunity to score off Irfan. De Kock took four consecutive boundaries off the bowler's third over - two of which were fortuitous inside-edges - to force a change in bowling plans.

Saeed Ajmal came in the seventh over and dismissed de Kock lbw soon after. With JP Duminy out cheaply, it was up to de Villiers to rebuild with du Plessis. The pair were tied down by the spinners and a resurgent Irfan, who came back in his second spell with a better understanding of the change of pace that would be needed on this surface.

The pair hit just three fours in the 16 overs they were together and du Plessis in particular seemed to grow frustrated. He could not get the spinners away and eventually tried to send Junaid over midwicket but miscued and was caught at deep square leg.

De Villiers was quietly collecting runs and cued himself up to lead the charge in the last ten overs. He sent the first sign of intent off Ajmal, playing a short-arm pull through midwicket for six.

McLaren provided important lower-order support. He played a delicate glance and an aggressive cut off Irfan, followed by three fours off Junaid in the 47th over, the bowler struggling to find his death-bowling length or line. Tanvir was plagued by the same problem from around the wicket, and gave de Villiers a line on leg stump and a full toss to feast on.

De Villiers marched into the nineties off Ajmal in his characteristically creative style. He got himself into a position to play the sweep for a four and found a gap in the covers off the next ball. He used that innovation to bring up his 15th ODI century, by moving to his leg side, opening up and slamming Tanvir over mid-wicket in the final over. After he brought up his century, de Villiers scored another 14 runs off the remainder of the over. Pakistan, having not chased down a total of over 250 since February 2011, were effectively batted out of the contest.

Once Pakistan had slipped to 17 for 3, a mercy rule would have been welcome. Vernon Philander, playing his first ODI since January 2012, claimed two of those wickets with typical wicket-to-wicket accuracy and consistent length.

Pakistan's only resistance came from Sohaib Maqsood, who notched up a second, successive half-century with clean hitting and clear thinking. He demonstrated his strength off the back foot but exposed a slight weakness against the short ball, which South Africa will look to exploit in the return series later this month.

South Africa hold the advantage going into that series. Pakistan's batting is fragile and, in spicier conditions, will need to harden up if they are to pose a challenge. In this match, they lost 3 for 17 upfront and 5 for 23 - Wayne Parnell celebrating his recall with lower-order wickets - towards the end to turn the last match into an entirely one-sided affair.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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Posted by Chaudry_Cricket on (November 12, 2013, 22:47 GMT)

Where did we lose the series? Umm ... Wrong team selection, wrong batting order, lack of inspiration, lacklusture approch, wrong body language and going through the motions.

But what really irked me was the treatment of Junaid Khan. First he was 'rested' for 3 games to accomadate Riaz. Then when he was bought back in Tanvir was given the new ball and in the 5th game he was bowled after 20 something overs. What sort of a way is this to treat you strike bowler who is in the top 5 wicket - takers in odi since 2013 and averages 23 in odi. If you want to rest him do not let him play t20s simple.

I will repeat this again and again that in order to get the best out of Umar Akmal we should relieve him of his w.k duties and let him bat at no.4. Also we should send him to play county cricket which will do him a world of good as it will improve his technique and he will learn to fend for himself.

Misbah should continue as senior batsman but we definetly need a new captain. !!!

Posted by mzm149 on (November 12, 2013, 17:56 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas_Atheist: 52 test average and 24 test 100s, 42 ODI average and 15 ODI centuries is by no means bad specially for a Pakistani batsman.

Whatever he said about Misbah appeals to mind.

Posted by Sinhaya on (November 12, 2013, 17:02 GMT)

@sachinisawesome, seriously Sri Lanka is mediocre and is that why we made it to the finals in the tri series in Windies?? We made it to CT semis this year cos we are mediocre?? Why did Tharanga score 174 against your world class bowlers because he is mediocre? If Sri Lanka are easy fodder, why did we beat SA 4-1 this year?? Were you following that series? We dont need you to follow our cricket at all. We have always produced great players in our cricket history and will continue doing so.

Posted by zxaar on (November 12, 2013, 16:22 GMT)

For my Pakistani friends who are still not sure what hit them, it was IPL effect. ABV spends his time in IPL. The major difference between SA-Pak and Aus India series was that in India Aus series both teams had many T20 players.

Posted by subhaas on (November 12, 2013, 16:07 GMT)

@msd best odi player in the world nobody near him,he wins lots of matches single handly for us all kind of trophy world cup ,champions trophy ,t20 world cup asia cup ,no 1 odi team ,no 1 test team player of icc etc. let it be i reminds you something special for you worldcup final inning, tri series west indies final over ,183* in jaipur ,do u need more i think its enough for makes you weeping,what your mediocre sanga (which play pathetic no elegance in his batting), mahela(avg 33) , dilli done all are(FTB)

Posted by subhaas on (November 12, 2013, 16:06 GMT)

check these stats who makes flat track ,colomo ,GALLE even you ferars bangla team they also makes 200 on your grounds ,this is reality of lanka biggest flat track bullies so sorry for even you cannot win also on these track so u are flat track mediocre,PAKISTAN AND INDIA ARE THE BEST

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (November 12, 2013, 15:57 GMT)

@mzm149, I don't think Yousuf Youhana was a great batsman. He of course had a couple of great seasons. Nothing more.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (November 12, 2013, 15:52 GMT)

I'm sure pakistan envy the world class batting resources of its classy neighbours and wish they had a piece of it. It's surprising what kind of batless wonders pakistan manages to manufacture without fail.

Posted by rocknrola on (November 12, 2013, 15:32 GMT)

@ Albert_cambell. Sub continent teams rarely wins in SA, Eng, Aus or WI (Test Matches). Previously even SA, Eng used to suffer in sub continent pitches but that changed in recent times. In recent time SA never lost series and Eng won in Ind and drew in SL. I think SA is better team than any other in recent past, then comes England. Our team (Ind) won recently with Aus 4-0 but it lost to Aus the same way 0-4. Have to see our teamIndia performs in SA in december.

Posted by Albert_cambell on (November 12, 2013, 14:51 GMT)

@sachinisawesome. I have no idea what are you talking about. I dont know why are bringing some random SL players name into this forum to reply my comment. When did ur team thrashed SA in every part of the world. I dont know if u had a dream yesterday. Lets wait till ur team tours SA in December. You will see how we thrash ur team in SA. You will simply extend it to 10-0.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 14:41 GMT)

@bouncer 709: You want to say that player like Shahid Afridi who played more thatn 360 one days are better than Misbah. i do not agree with you. Afridi has average of 23 runs in those 360 innings. In how many matches Shahid Afridi stayed at wicket while chasing, when you need a batsman at number 6 or 7. Never. All his scores are of those innings where Pakistan batted first. Pakistan do not need players who scores 10 runs from 6 balls and went to pavillion. That's why Pakistan now unable to score / chase even 200 runs in one day internatiional. If any one has to learn, learn from Indian batsmen, how to win matches and how to score with fast strike rate and good batting average. Its not making 10 runs from 6 balls. It is staying at the wicket and take the team to victory stand.

Posted by SuperSharky on (November 12, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

The Proteas really fought hard to win this series 4-1. And it was an entertaining series. The way Abdul Razzaq blasted the Proteas the previous series in UAE (aka Lance Klusener), was still in the mind. For the Proteas winning in this series, heals a few wounds from that previous Razzaq attack. I know Razzaq, Younis Khan and especially Umar Gul, maybe past their prime against the rest of the world, but against South Africa they've got a good record and understanding of South African cricket. It was a bit of a relief, for the Proteas, not to play against the likes of Umar Gul the thinking and slogging wicket to wicket bowler. And Younis Khan can bat around a talented youngster. I felt Pakistan missed Younis Khan & Umar Gul for variety to counter the South African success. An inform Razzaq would have been a blessing. Now I'm looking forward to the Test and ODI series in South Africa. I do think that the giant, Irfan, will do much better than he has previous times in South Africa.

Posted by bouncer709 on (November 12, 2013, 13:01 GMT)

@Mahi Kashmiri: Dear just strike rate is nothing, it is about winning the game and play according to situation, See inzimam 1992 wc semin final , when it was required he scored 60 of 37 balls, and did not take time to settle. To understand Misbah think of this example: Required 30 runs of 18 balls, one player comes he makes 15 of 10 balls, and get out, though he could not finish the game but yet left 8 balls to score 15 runs for other incoming players. Now another kind of player do if he need 30 of 18 balls, he will score 3 runs on first 12 balls, then in last over try to hit few sixes, may be he hit 3 sixes on in last over and miss 3 balls, this way he will score 21 runs on 18 balls. and loose the match by 9 runs. at the end if somebody look at the stats both players have palyed 100+ strike rate, but player one played in a way that give you chance to win the game, while player 2 played in a way where defeat is must. Misbah is the example of 2nd player.

Posted by Witty_Cricketer on (November 12, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

It pains me a lot to see current Pakistan batting, the problem is not so much the talent but that of exposure and financial security. Pakistan's young batsman are not aggresive enough in their batting, they have their thinking muddled as well, they either go at 2.5 runs per over or try to blast everything bowled at them. Selection panel should assure the batsman that they are going to get a fair run irrrespective of their initial scores and ask them to think on their feet and play their natural game. Hafeez should be treated as allrounder, who can bat a bit, guy with an average of 28 cannot be a top order batsman, his strike rate is not par with current ODI trends as well. Some one should tell Misbah to play aggresively when the match is still alive, not after the 8th wicket. That is how is last the world cup game against India. No point dropping Afridi, just do not expect any runs from him thats all... he is a decent bowler these days.

Posted by mzm149 on (November 12, 2013, 12:34 GMT)

This is what Muhammad Yusuf the former great Pakistani batsman has said about Misbah

"He is the wrong example for the other batsmen to follow because technically he himself is suspect against fast bowlers and doesn't have the range of strokes to come and bat higher up the order as captain to play the role of a motivational leader, neither does he have ability for big scores or to finish a match,"

"Misbah has a strange batting technique and he is someone who consumes lot of balls to get going and is yet not capable of playing an impact innings. The selfish nature of his batting is now beginning to show in our other players,"

"Our batsmen are now just not playing down the ground strokes and they get bogged down ... Misbah is also now scoring more runs in one-day cricket because of the change in rules."

"Misbah, seeing the state of affairs in the team, should have been batting at No 3 but he has refused to do so

Posted by deshwani on (November 12, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

Shame on Pakistan's batting... its like a child's batting in small streets..!!! its not all about pitches.. actually we have to accept the lake of techniques and braveness like Virat, Rohit and Dhawan!! we have to accept their talent and we can find it in Pakistan as well as there are lots of talented Batsmen out there but some foolish peoples are in our board and they are thrashing cricket in Pakistan due to lake of their experience!!! if we would have the peoples like Imran Khan, Shoaib Akhter, Aamer Sohail then we can do it only... otherwise no chances,,,, cricket is becoming near to end from Pakistan day by day..

Posted by keptalittlelow on (November 12, 2013, 12:07 GMT)

I am afraid we are a rump of humbled and demoralised cricketers now. Our once excellent bowlers are beginning to crumble too, who can blame them? Its just doom and gloom for Pakistan cricket, its about time that a revolutionary selection policy is introduced to lift the dying Pakistan Cricket.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 12:01 GMT)

Inzamam M Yusuf and Misbah Not Much diffrence in Average and Strike rate between them but only Diffrence is when Inzamam was playing, He had priveledge of batting with legends like Saeed Anwar , Javed Miandad, Saleem Malik and M Yousuf and good batsman Ijaz Ahmed, Where as Misbah has to carry burden of over hyped players of Hafeez , Shoaib Malik, Ahmed Shehzad and Younis Khan ( who only scores once in a blue moon) Imagin if Misbah had same company, then his record would av been even better, He is a class player not slogger , His 6's are better then any slogger in Pak Team. Plz give me one Match where Inzamam walked to the crease when Pak score was 30/3 or 60/4. That's never happened during Inzi and Yousuf time, we are still living in Past glories, it's time to wake up and smell reality that Pakistan don't av that calibre players, they are some youngsters but they can't get in Team because of politics. Plz stop blaming Misbah instead appreciate his effort.

Posted by Sheezal on (November 12, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

Please PCB Authorities bring back Younas Khan as Captain till next world cup. SAVE PAKISTAN CRICKET.

Posted by ICCexpert.... on (November 12, 2013, 11:26 GMT)

time to bring in young players like Sohaib Maqsood, Sharjeel Khan is the best batsman inPak right now. Get rid of Hafeez, Misbah, Afiridi, Malik etc

Posted by rock.rockyin on (November 12, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Its k even if Pakistan loose . last year we have won 2-1 against India . we can still continue non performing players in pak team. When Pak won 2-1 against India were playing non performers like Gambhir,sehwag& Yuvi.. we helped India what mistake they are doing. they quickly dropped non performers and went on to win CHAMPIONS TROPHY.. in WI and in India with youngsters... we dont need to learn from India. we can do it our own way . we can patiently continue the same team till 2015. Now I am back to watching Ind vs pak ODI series highlights that we won in 2013... dont worry our past is glorious. getsetgopk

Posted by irshad.007khan on (November 12, 2013, 11:01 GMT)

misbah is very inauspicious guy for pakistan cricket

Posted by Pavinasen on (November 12, 2013, 11:00 GMT)

I think SA missed a golden opportunity by not testing their batting when chasing.AB very lucky to win 4 of 5 tosses and eventually all those games .I think they would have struggled to get the scores if they were chasing to to pakistans excellent attack.I think teams that can win in any situations ie either batting or bowling first,is the best test of the teams ability.SA missed the opportunity to test themselves

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (November 12, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

@Ausie_the_Great. It is hard to digest Australian defeats, huh? It is a fact that there is no more Australian domination in world cricket now. Just wonder how many trophy's Australia won recently?

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

Pakistan is the only team with 6 bowlers who can all bowl 10 overs but the problem is none of them are scoring runs. With the current bowling they can easily replace two bowlers and play with extra two batsmen which would have made the right difference to the series

Posted by Ali_Chaudhary on (November 12, 2013, 10:46 GMT)

Ajmal is very harmless Bowler. He isnt a matchwinner. He should be removed from the Team. I´m very angry at Teams Performance. We Need Young blood like India. We Need match winner not Bowlers who only look after thier wickets tally.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (November 12, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

@ Ausie_the_Great. So you think fast bowling pitches are good entertainers? The whole world know the fact that how Aus won matches - preparing bowling pitches and sledging. So, Mcgrath and co. where in the rankings just because they played in fast pitches, right? What ever may be the pitch India will score 300+. If you donot know about it, please refer CT in England. All other teams find it difficult to bat on that wicker, but India did it in style. It is pathetic that Aus do not have supremacy in fast pitches either. They lost all matches in CT2013. Do not blame others if you cannot score 400 or defend 350+ score.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

pakistan lost so many great players nd yet so many youngsters are not given chances. I bet even the U-19 pak cricket team can beat this side

Posted by TSJ07 on (November 12, 2013, 10:32 GMT)

well having seen the Pak team playing so well over the years it really pains me to see their current plight.I am from India I would love to see them performing CLOSE to Pak team of 90's. As an neutral fan I would like to give few inputs though I dont want to belittle some player. 1st thing they need is to identify/select a player or two in the top three position who can score hundred quite often,everywhere and against good teams as well not just BD/SL. Thats the most important thing in test and odi. The likes of Hafeez Afridi can not do that.They have to give longer run to anyone based on his domestic performance.then they need someone in the middle overs who can be Dhoni/Yuvraj who can not only steady the inning if required but also thrash the bolwers when needed but not like Raina who can get out anytime or Misbah who delays the big hitting.And last they need to improve fielding too.Look at India we were pathetic fielding side till the likes of Yuvi,,Kaif,Raina,Kohli,Jadeja came...

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 10:31 GMT)

after this odi series there are few players we can rely on. shehzad, maqsood, misbah (as a batsman not as captain) ajmal junaid and irfan. now pakistan needs to find an opener who can open with shehzad. a middle order batsman who can play at 5 who can build innings and in need smash in the last few overs. a wicketkeeper who can slog and 2 good all rounders. and a leg spinner as well. and especially a captain who can use his bowlers efficiently and affectively

Posted by lionslanka on (November 12, 2013, 10:29 GMT)



Everyone is well aware on this forum about your usual bashing work & from where you are. By the way I am not Indian But we all where you are from. So it didn't matter whatever you wrote. It look much embarrassing for other genuine fans from your country which has won the world cup once upon a time & that too in our nation. Pak, SA, AUS , IND & ENG are the teams to watch. Out batting is struggling in patches since few months but we can revive. But what about yours who is totally depending on 32 Ave. legends. If they failed or retired, God knows what next???? We will see what will your legends do here in next month against us.

Posted by SLslider on (November 12, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

I look at other teams youngsters like Pakistan - Maqsood. SA - Miller, De cock. India - Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit. Aus - Faulkner, Maxwell, Finch. Eng - Root, BD - Gazi, Hossain. NZ - Neesham, Rochi. And then I look at our team Chandimal, Thirrimanne, Kushal and feel sorry for our future. Everytime our players fail we have an excuse ready. Its never the fault of our players that they lost but its always the fault of toss, weather, Umpires, Pitch, Conditions. This is the main reason we are yet to win anything outside Asia. Why are we so reluctant to blame out cricketers? They think they are legends. I would like to remind everybody that apart from Murali we are yet to produce a truly great player. Who has been consistent and won matches for us as well. Mahela, Dilshan aren't great. Mahela isn't even good player. He has an average of 33 after over 400 matches. But who am I kidding we have been living in denial for so long and will continue to do so......

Posted by sachinisawesome on (November 12, 2013, 10:10 GMT)

@ Ausie_the_Great Please define sporting wicket. When we created pitches which helped spinners they were also considered unsporting. And need I remind you, we won CT in ENG so was it also unsporting wickets. And Tri series in WI though it was against a good team WI and a very mediocre team SL. So was it unsporting as well. And recent WC was also in India how many 400s score were there. If you enjoy score like 170 then good for you. Keep it up. But when you comment that how india vs Aus series was boring then it clearly shows you watched all the matches. Its simple don't follow our matches. Like I don't like SL cricket they are easy fodder for all the teams so its simple for me I already know the result before the match and I rarely follow their cricket coz of their lack of quality.

Posted by MichaelBurton on (November 12, 2013, 9:56 GMT)

De Villers... great entertainment. You are definitely in the calibre of Amla, Dravid, Sangakkara and Clerk.

Posted by Rajesh_India_1980 on (November 12, 2013, 9:48 GMT)

@asgar.ali: You think scoring 350+ scores each time is the good entertainment? Whole world know how you people manipulate your ranking and player averages by playing at home and flat decks. SA and Pak were struggling to score runs because of the sporting nature of this pitch. They would have scored 400s if they were given flat decks you prepare for your matches at home. For your information, last series between your team and ours were between defacto/fake No. 1 vs.real No 1 but not No. 1 vs. No. 2. Cricinfo pls publish my response.

Posted by Army_rangers on (November 12, 2013, 9:45 GMT)

Its funny that pak fans are blaming misbah for even not winning toss..!!what can he do when toss goes against him..leave him alone guys..if u take him out of the equation im afraid pak wont be able to chase even 100...

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 9:35 GMT)

this should be pakistans odi team fou 2015 world cup, manzoor jamshed maqsood yoinis khan shoib malik fawad alam kamran akmal gul ajmal junaid/wahab irfan.

Posted by sachinisawesome on (November 12, 2013, 9:31 GMT)

@ Albert_cambell Why do you people get depressed when you see our young talent and when you see your young talent. We are happy with Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan as they score runs and win trophies for us. We don't even care about your chandimals & pareras who are still finding it hard to get a batting position in your team. Why don't you mind your own team and leave our team alone. Are you jealous? Coz demeaning kohli or dhoni on this forum will not help your team on the field. They will continue thrashing your team game after game in every part of the world. Be it SL, WI, ENG or Aus.

Posted by AB_DeVilliers on (November 12, 2013, 9:14 GMT)

To all Pakistan supporters - your team needs a fresh change. I just read Kamran Abassi's article and he calls for the same. Bring in a few youngsters, and retain some decent old ones. Make someone young captain (Maqsood, Shezad or Khan). They won't do worse than the current lot.

Posted by Romanticstud on (November 12, 2013, 8:55 GMT)

Can South Africa do this in 2015 ... when it is needed ... Hopefully ABD will be man of that series and with De Kock as a promising opener with Amla and Du Plessis more matured at 3 ... Maybe we will have the potency we have in Test matches with Tsotsobe and Philander opening with Steyn and Morkel as change bowlers ... Maybe then Steyn can do what Donald used to do to the middle order ... After Philander has taken out the top ... with Duminy, Kallis and Peterson ... Doing the 5th bowler job ...

Posted by mzm149 on (November 12, 2013, 8:48 GMT)

I come up with following names who often become victims of Misbah's poor captaincy and selection:

Nasir Jamshed, Junaid Khan, Asad Shafiq, Harris Sohail, Hafeez as a bowler.

Come up with other names.

Posted by pull_shot on (November 12, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

@ Albert_cambell what is with u guys If india prepare slow turning tracks u guys yell non-sporting tracks then we prepare a good batting tracks then u guys yell flat track.Just check d stats after changing rules india also played with england for 5 odi matches in which except one match all totals r below 275 but in Aussie series they were high because 1) Pathetic bowling 2) Familiar conditions for Aussie 3) batsman in form just kohli,bailey,sharma,maxwell have scored consistently

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 8:36 GMT)

@ pakfanfromnepal, I agree 100 percent to what you told. we all Pakistanis are of same opinion. the only people who think opposite is PCB

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 12, 2013, 8:18 GMT)

@ delhi-belly:

I agree that the XI guys mentioned by you should be kept out of Pak Cricket forever, but I add the following words - "except Afridi & Jamshed."

So I agree that 9 out of the eleven mentioned by you should be kept out of Pak cricket forever.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 12, 2013, 8:05 GMT)

All I can say is that Misbah and the selectors deserve this. Harris Sohail, Fawad Alam, Sharjil etc who have excellent FC and List A numbers are being ignored continuesly. Players like Shafiq, Tanvir, Wahab etc are given extended runs inspite of their repeated failures. It has been almost 10 years since I have been saying PLEASE STOP RECYCLING OLD FAILURES. There is no point in repeating the same experiment over and over again. dont expect different results with the same set of players. HAVE TO MOVE ON. The pair of JUNAID & IRFAN should not have been disturbed. The other guys who came in (Wahab & Tanvir) took 4 wickets between them and they played 3 & 5 matches each. Junaid played 2 match took 4 wickets @ decent avg. Always play a specialist Wicket Keeper, even if he does not get many runs.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 7:55 GMT)

pcb selection and captain are not reasonable.

Posted by AB_DeVilliers on (November 12, 2013, 7:53 GMT)

My starting SA line-up going forward: Smith, Amla, Kallis, ABD, Duminy, Miller, Mclaren, Philander, Steyn, Morkel, Taahir (8 batsmen; 7 bowlers).

Reserve Batsmen: Faf (middle-order); De Kock (top-order/wk) Reserve Bowlers: Lopsy; Spinner tbc (Robbie P is not an option) Reserve all-rounder: Parnell

If we want to start looking past Kallis: De Kock, Smith, Amla, ABD, Duminy, Miller, Mclaren, Philander, Steyn, Morkel, Taahir (8 batsmen; 6 bowlers).

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 7:52 GMT)

Pakistan should send new team to SA. Maybe included Yunus Khan to give some batting experience otherwise same team it would be farce. And Misbah should learn how to win tosses. Learn how to play the short bouncers. There will be plenty in SA.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 12, 2013, 7:49 GMT)

This should have been 3-2 in favor of Pak if their batsmen applied themselves. Neverthless congrats to SA. @Albert_cambell We shall wait and see how kholi performs on those so called green pitches. Dont erite him off he got tons in Aus pitches as well.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 7:46 GMT)

some people say make Hafeez or afridi captain and they play well when they are captain. isnt it the best example of selfishness? this selfish culture is damaging our cricket. Every 1 plays for his spot and a 30-40 in pak team is good for selection in next 5-10 games. 1st they need to change selectors so that they can make good selection irrespective of regions or favoritism. need some hard and unpopular but right decisions now. Not only captain & coach but all non performing and involved in dressing room politics should be dropped.

Posted by delhi-belly on (November 12, 2013, 7:13 GMT)

My choice of PAK X1 1. Hafeez 2. Imran Farhat 3. Kamran Akmal 4. Shoaib Malik 5. Umar Amin 6. Misbah 7.Afridi 8. Wahab 9. Tanvir 10. Nasir Jamshed 11. Asad shafiq

which should be kept out of PAK cricket forever.

Posted by rocknrola on (November 12, 2013, 7:05 GMT)

Of all the sub continent teams Pak has best bowling and weak batting and our India have best batting and pathetic bowling. Pak always had good bowlers in their team but batting is concern. Younis Khan and Md Yusaf did great but now Pak doesn't have such good batsmen. People always bash Misbah but Pak need him more than anyone else at present.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 7:05 GMT)

Records / First-class matches Highest career batting average Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave. 100 50 Fawad Alam 2003-2013 97 163 29 7492 296* 55.91 19 38 Javed Miandad 1973-1994 402 632 95 28663 311 53.37 80 139 Hanif Mohammad 1951-1976 238 370 44 17059 499 52.32 55 66 Haris Sohail 2007-2013 55 84 11 3795 211* 51.98 11 23 Zaheer Abbas 1965-1987 459 768 92 34843 274 51.54 108 158 Misbah-ul-Haq 1998-2013 188 308 37 13592 284 50.15 36 73 Inzamam-ul-Haq 1985-2007 245 393 58 16785 329 50.1 45 87

Posted by SASH1089 on (November 12, 2013, 6:57 GMT)

More importantly for south Africa is the different combinations that they were able to play and worked out brilliantly. Although it was one game philander and parnell did a good job in the attack which surely bodes well for the future. Hopefully the proteas find consistency in their ODI matches as they certainly have a good squad of players. Maqsood is a talented player and a good prospect for Pakistan but surely his test will come in the south African leg.

Posted by akbarthegreat on (November 12, 2013, 6:48 GMT)

I have seen this series very closely. In each match boundaries hit by both team were almost same in numbers, big difference was number of single taken by both team. Pakistan batsmen either don't understand the value of rotating the strike or they don't like getting off strike.

Posted by lionslanka on (November 12, 2013, 6:46 GMT)


Did you feel good all round entertainment in UAE? Pak scoring 150+ on most of the times. SA were more or same except last 2 games but never crossed 275. Even your home team Lanka can't put more than 190 against good teams. Please don't make bashing on this thread for India-SL affairs. It is my sencere request to you. Cricinfo pl publish

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (November 12, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

If you cannot bat on even flat tracks, do not blame others. Good teams will win in fast, spinning and flat pitches. So, they are creating fast pitches to boost own fast bowlers records? Someone pointed that SL do not have flat tracks! But I can found more than 10 300+ scores with a highest of 398.Team batting second also scored 300+ scores in SL. How dare they are to manipulate the statistics!

Posted by wanatawu on (November 12, 2013, 6:36 GMT)

I think this game will also be curtains for Robin Peterson, he was the most expensive SA bowler and couldn't get a wicket and his batting powers also didn't hold up.So cheers for eers Robbie P, you might just make a comeback like Tahir did.

Posted by ChrisMarx on (November 12, 2013, 6:34 GMT)

Afridi's technique against the short ball is terrible. So why the calls for him to open the batting? If he cannot cope with medium fast bowlers dishing out loopy bouncers on slow tracks with the old ball, how will he cope with fast bouncers on quick tracks with the new ball? Best option is to play him as a bowler and regard any runs he scores as a bonus. Also, Misbah is the only batsmen currently in the side with some backbone and removing him would be disasterous for Pakistan. To build a good fire you need thick logs who burn longer, not only thin sticks who flame brightly and burn out quickly.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 6:16 GMT)

Would this be the first time a player wins a man of the series award without winning a single man of the match award in the series?

Posted by Rajesh_India_1980 on (November 12, 2013, 6:16 GMT)

Congrat and thanks SA for giving us a good all round entertainment in good sporting pitches. Thanks Pak for giving good sporting wickets unlike flat decks that can score 340+ and boost averages to make greats.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 6:14 GMT)

doesnt matter who pakistan drop and change. they still gonna lose all future matches

Posted by harsidhu on (November 12, 2013, 6:11 GMT)

I m indian but always admired Pakistan team ,,,,,,,,,,,, But at present I was surprised no body seeing real issues Most of the people just criticising the ONLY PLAYER MISBAH UL HAQ ,,,,,,, he cant do anything with this team of failures ,,,,,,,,exept him only AJMAL,IFRAN AND JUNAID deserves to be in Team. We all fans of Afridi but he finished since 4 yrs back ,,,,,,,, IF hafeez,UMar akmal,afridi ,Ahmed shezad(bet me he is over hyped player without footwork and any sort of technique) they can play in team Then why not Razaq,Shoaib Malik(he better than all above mentioned players on his day),MY team for Pakistan is Open with Kamran Akmal,Nasir Jamshed/Ahmed(both r overhyped),Umar akmal,Shoaib Malik,Misbah ul Haq,Maqsood,Razaq,Hamad Azam,Ajmal,Irfan ,junaid

Posted by Kaka13 on (November 12, 2013, 5:47 GMT)

Selectors needs to infuse fresh talent into the team rather than trying old ones again and again. Misbah may be a good batsman but age is catching up and fresh ideas dried up. Hafeez, Afridi, Misbah, Umar Amin should be removed, search for Ajmal should also be looked into. Umar should come at 2 down as he is one of the best batting talent and persist with him. Maqssod seems to me a good long term prospect. Shoib Malik etc. must not be looked into. Biggest challenge who should captain in absence of Misbah ???????????

Posted by lancenayak on (November 12, 2013, 5:31 GMT)

1 Fans are obsessed towards Afridi..I have seen more than 50% are still saying that he shud be in team or even more worst few saying he shud be captain... 2 Misbah's captaincy if I have to rtae is 2/10, he is not a captain material at all. 3 Misbah shud come at No 3 if yunis is not in the squad hu else better know cricket than Imran Khan, he always says that your best batsman shud face te best bolwer and most of the deliveries of a match and do fighting from the front. 4 If Yunis Khan has no place in the team than how can Misbhah be the part of the team. 5 My squad will be Ahmad, Jamshed, yunis, Misbhah, maqsood, hafeez/Razzq, wicket keeper batsman, Gul, Junaid, Ajmal, Irfan for SA tour.. I hope i ve analysised it correctly, I apologies if I am wrong

Posted by PUNJABISTAN on (November 12, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

Shame on Umar Amin for sitting there and LAUGHING when the last Pakistanis were getting out. These people do not care about "PRIDE" only MONEY! I would NOT have shown my face on TV after the performance Umar Amin had.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 5:16 GMT)

good rsa keep this winning moment i heard about more comments o n misba but he is the highest run getter in this year he should lead the team or afridi there are few players i had seen imran nasir and salman butt they too played well

Posted by Shazia_Javed on (November 12, 2013, 5:10 GMT)

So called Mr. Boom Boom… I wonder if fans know that he has scored less than 10 runs in 138 ODIs, scored less than 25 runs in 225 ODIs and less than 50 runs in 297 ODIs… and 29 times he was out for DUCK.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 5:08 GMT)

God knows when PCB will realize that we need batsmen not bowlers. Even a blind person can tell that Hafeez, Nasir, as ad shafeeq, umer ameen, and so hail tanveer are not performing since ages. For goodness sake, wake up and smell humous.

Posted by bouncer709 on (November 12, 2013, 5:01 GMT)

One solution to all the problems, Kick out Misbah and Hafeez, They have hi-jaked this team, in my whole life I have never seen defensive captain like Misbah. I have seen Afridi doing opening in presence of Aamir Sohail, Saeed Anwar, I have seen Ijaz doing opening in presence of Saeed Anwar, I have seen Razzaq playing on one down in presence of Inzimam. I have seen Aamir Sohail, Saleem Malik doing bowling in presence of Saqlain Mushtaq. I have seen Razzaq doing last over in presence of Wasim Akram. But Misbah wan't o enjoy luxury of 6 regular bowlers, even he have Umer Amin and Maqsood in the team who can bowl.In batting giving chances to complete failure Hafeez, and Umer Amin. Afridi failled in batting down the order, why can't you try him up-order, if he get some score he can pressurize the opposition bowling. If he fails it won't make any big difference, because Hafeez, Umer Amin are doing this regularly.

Posted by DINESHCC on (November 12, 2013, 4:59 GMT)

Brilliant Captain. When Irfan made early inroads, Junaid Khan was not introduced. When the spinners contained the run rate and taken wickets, suddenly spinners were removed and Junaid Khan was introduced. At the end of 40th over the run rate was 3.95. At the end of 50th over the run rate was almost 5.5. Hafeez had given away only 3 runs per over, why he was immediately removed from attack, Captain only knows. While batting, as usual Afridi visited the pitch and gone immediately to pavilion as if he left some unfinished work there.

Posted by World-Cup-Commentator on (November 12, 2013, 4:58 GMT)

Shameful performance by the Pakistani batsmen. If we can't chase 250 for two years, there is definitely a problem... which is at the top and starts with Hafeez!

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 4:40 GMT)

Pak need to make alot of changes in the team. They need a clear plan before heading to SA. The only players I see in the team are Ahmed Shahzad, Maqsood, Misbah, Saeed, Irfan,Asad & Afridi. U may place Umar Akmal but dont know how long to tolerate him. Rest they need to pull a new lot. I have heard about this guy (M Rizwan :Keeper)) but again you don't know how weel he will perform on INt'l level

Posted by shahnbej on (November 12, 2013, 4:13 GMT)

Why Misbah always picked 6 bowlers and leaves weak battling's problem as it is?

As everyone know that wicket was slow, why he did not send Umar akmal or Shahid Afridy as opener's? YOU KNOW WHY? because he knows if Hafiz play in lower order and Afridy play as opener they both can score more runs and than Misbah's captain ship in trouble.

Posted by Cobra0077 on (November 12, 2013, 4:05 GMT)

@everyone commenting about Misbah: I'm not a fan of the current Pak team., but, everyone has labeled Misbah as "tuk Tuk", yet there is no one else on the pak side that can replace him, at least he is consistant in his batting, but, Shahid Afridi can be a good player if he can control his behaviour ( too hyper).

Posted by Philippe on (November 12, 2013, 4:03 GMT)

this is really a poor show... it makes me believe that first test which PAK won was really a huge upset. How can PCB stick to a player like afridi? Its been 15 years he has been playing International cricket & yet he behaves like a novice. He plays once in 25 matches & retain his place for another 25 matches. Really a waste of player. Most of the PAK players doesn't match International standards although their neighboring countries are doing soooo well like SL, India & Bangladesh. This is high time to remove some players & bring on some fresh legs. Start playing cricket in their own country as well. No cricket in PAK is harming, the overall confidence/emotions of players. CRIC INFO pls publish this.

Posted by Mukarram_Hussain on (November 12, 2013, 3:55 GMT)

I Request Pakistan Board Please Change the Coach, Bring Waseem Akram and Inzamam Ul Haq or Imran Khan, or Ramiz Raja Please don't bring Waqar younis because i know about his politics in cricket selection.throw out from team to Hafeez he is west player

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (November 12, 2013, 3:53 GMT)

in the preview I have said that Afridi is elephant in the room. Reason is Hafeez & Afridi offer the same thing in bowling. While Hafeez, if played at #6 or #7 can be more useful, Afridi have learnt nothing in his 300+ innings. Ajmal, Irfan, Junaid, Hafeez and X should be your bowling line where X will be 3rd fast bowler. Jamshed, Shehzad, Maqsood, Misbah, Umar and X should be the batting with Umar keeping. I will suggest Fawad for X position, that guy is good in rotating strike and combined with Misbah can help you post 230+ which, considering your bowling should be more than enough more often than not.

Posted by Mukarram_Hussain on (November 12, 2013, 3:49 GMT)

1. Nasir Jamshed, 2. Ahmed Shehzad, 3. Sohaib Maqsood 4. Umar Akmal (wk), 5. Shoaib Malik (capt), 6. Abdul Razzaq 7. Mohammad Hafeez 8. Shahid Afridi, 9. Sohail Tanvir, 10. Mohammad Irfan, 11. Saeed Ajmal,

Posted by Shahbaz_Alam on (November 12, 2013, 3:49 GMT)

I have no idea why Tanveer was playing and bowling at the death in 4th ODI when junaid have one over to spare and hafeez too and they struggle against spin Misbah opted to Tanveer and he conceed 22/23 runs in last two overs In 5th ODI Why Hafeez left out of bowling after 3 overs when he pickedup a wicket and why Junaid brought in 25th over of the match and you still persisting with Tanveer SOMETHING WRONG WITH SELECTION. Who is willing to persist with Tanveer who took 4 wickets in 5 odi Moin, Mishbah and wMore to answer this strange selection

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 3:36 GMT)

AB Devilliers is cementing his place as one of the greats of SA. I would rank him as one of the greatest batsmen of this generation.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 3:24 GMT)

Hafeez is our best ASSET now he should realise that he is not an opener he should bat at No.6/7 try to finish the game. In this way his ave. will also rise and his confidence will be sky high. Selection should use him with best they can and he should also think about No.6/7. Get rid of AFRIDI and play Rehman & Razzaq in his place so that our lower order will be strengthen, Nasir, Ahmad, Sohaib, Younas/Malik, Mishab, U Akmal, Razzaq, Rehman, Ajmal, Irfan & Junaid.

Posted by Lions of Pakistan on (November 12, 2013, 2:16 GMT)

Pakistan need to improve their batting when they go to tour South Africa. Umar Akmal and Umar Amin need to be kicked out as they have been given too many chances and have not performed. Whereas Maqsood has capitalised his chances and should have his position safe in the team as he has scored half centuries consecutively. Fawad Alam should be given a chance as he has been performing really well throughout the domestic circuit. Shahid Afridi should be made captain as Misbah is too defensive in his tactics.

Posted by hotcric01 on (November 12, 2013, 2:04 GMT)

South african squad looks better now.But their problem in global championships is not picking the best available squad. They mix great match winning talents with ordinary players.If kallis want to play 2015 world cup,he should play bilateral tournaments and must prove his match fitness.Because Mclearan and parnel are improving match by match.Faf may not be at his best but he is a great talent and a match winner.He will do a great job in aus/nz conditions.SA always have a excellent pace attack and they should remove "chockers" tag from their minds,then they can win a global trophy.

Posted by OttawaRocks on (November 12, 2013, 1:38 GMT)

Team Self-Destruct against Team Choke.

Posted by   on (November 12, 2013, 1:33 GMT)

I see a lot of emotional fools are blaming Misbah for every loss. He is the only player with a healthy average in ODI cricket in Pakistan right now. Yes his strike rate is close to 75 but so was Inzi's, Yousuf's and Javed Miandad's strike rate. The difference was that they had other players around them who could strike the ball well but Misbah has no help.

What Pakistan needs to do is play three different teams for Test, ODI and T20. They are playing too many T20 cricketers in the longer version (Hafeez, Tanvir).

Test Squad: Shahzad, Shan/Taufeeq, Azhar, Asad, Misbah, Shoaib, Adnan, Ajmal, Wahab, Junaid, Irfan.

ODI: Shahzad, Zain Abbas, Nasir J, Shoaib, Misbah, Umer, Razzaq, Afridi, Ajmal, Junaid, Irfan

T20: Shahzad, Sharjeel Khan, Hafeez, Shoaib, Umer, Razzaq, Afridi, Tanvir, Ajmal, Junaid, Irfan

Shoaib Maqsood, Sharjeel Khan, Ahmed Shahzad, Zain Abbas and Nasir Jamshed are the future of Pakistani batting.

Posted by cornered_again on (November 12, 2013, 0:14 GMT)

I know people think different but It is all the fault of Misbah's poor captaincy. Poor team selection, poor field placings, poor tactics and he never wins the toss ever.Why IS SOHAIL tANVIR IN THE SIDE ? WHY ARE WE PLAYING SIX BOWLERS IN THE SIDE WHEN CLEARLY OUR BATTING IS RUBBISH. He always doesn't t bowl out his main bowlers who are going cheaply and give tanvir a few overs which usually doesnot do any thing great which other bowlers can't do so that is a waste. Secondly he is a very unimaginative and defensive captain. always want to contain rather than attack.Always gives easy singles..He has stamped his style of batting on young batsman so they look confused all the time. Nobody could beat us that badly previously on such surfaces but before eng 4-0 and now sa 4-1 have done it. He should play as batsman but not captain , certainly in ODI cricket.

Posted by KhanAsad96 on (November 11, 2013, 23:07 GMT)

Another rubbish performance by Pak, but will never give up hope as I am a die hard fan, I believe team selection is wrong, my team would be 1.hafeez 2. Ahmed shehzad 3. Sohaib maqsood 4. Younus Khan 5. Misbah 6. Umar akmal 7. Abdul razzaq 8. Afridi 9. Ajmal 10. Junaid khan 11. Irfan. I think this will help to solve some of the issues

Posted by shahnbej on (November 11, 2013, 23:03 GMT)

A best Skipper is not one WHO save ships from strom but use strom favour of a ships. Misbah's defensive strategy sunk the team again. As everyone know that pitch is slow and it will be more slower at the last ours of match. But I think he asked openers save the wickets and don't worry about required average. Ha what a stupid.

Posted by CrazyforcricketIII on (November 11, 2013, 23:01 GMT)

There was no competition- Pak was supposed to have better bowlers but in front of SA they looked very ordinary. In fact SA had better bowling options and they beat us badly with their second choices. Our all rounders did not show up at all. New talent/ young blood was very disappointing. I thought that Misbah was doing a good job and taking Pak out of trouble single handedly- but now my opinion has changed and He should go away as a captain. Again we have very limited choices and Afridi is not one of them. Hafeez also is very disappointing. May be bring Yunus back! Guy- we are doomed!!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 22:23 GMT)

ODI series with SA exposed bating and bowling weakness of Pakistan. Except for one occasion Pak bowling clicked which was mainly due to Ajmals magic. If we can't bat in playing conditions similar to that of Pakistan what will happen in the return series of SA? Highlights of Pakistani team are a better show from Shehzad and back to back 50 maker Masood and a consistent Misbah. Lowlights are failure of opening pair to stand when required, specially Hafeez and Nasir Jamshed. Afridi and Sohail Tanvir are only mediocre bowlers and have proven spent bullet.Umar Amin and Asad Shafiq have not left any promising impressions. What Next. Bowling should be fortified with a geniune pacer with Junaid and be selected for all 3 formats of cricket to solidify their strength. Hafeez should be retained in team at lower order batsman untill he gains his form.Shehzad and Jamshed be kept as opner for quite a while to better their technique against pacers and short pitch deliveries.

Posted by BEN-pak on (November 11, 2013, 22:11 GMT)

Whatmore should be shown the door - simple as that followed by Afridi, Hafeez, Riaz. Where is Pakistani pride these days?

Posted by Rabies on (November 11, 2013, 22:11 GMT)

I wonder just how much SA will have learnt about the shape of their best side from this series? They have tremendous depth in the bowling- Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Topsy and Tahir as straight bowlers, with McLaren, Parnell, Kallis and Duminy as all rounders- so the decision is who to leave out- nice problem to have. The issue arises when one looks at the batting, Amla and ABdeV with Smith and now De Kock looks like a good base, with Kallis and Duminy in the frame it does leave some room for maneuver, I like the look of Miller, but have always had concerns about Faf- I do worry about his technique if the ball is not coming on...which leaves little room to chop and change the batting- which is perhaps a good thing, so I think that the strongest SA team would not look very different from Smith, De Kock, Amla, Kallis, AB, Duminy, Miller, Parnell, Philander, Tahir, Steyn, so if that lineup could get some game time and confidence, I suspect they could do good things...

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 22:02 GMT)

For God Sake get rid of Misbah. Batsmen failed only due to lack of confidence and confusion created by this Mr tuck tuck. Is there still any thing to evaluate his captaincy after the performances against Zimbabwe, SA and many others. Please make Younis as captain and concentrate on Sohaib, Haris and Umar Akmal in the middle order, bring A.Razaq as an alrounder in place of one of Hafeez or Afridi

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 21:59 GMT)

The best way to move forward is start from your positives and work from there. Its easy to say and hard to do and we writing comments should go easy on these players too as its easy to write comments but hard to get things done in reality as we want them to be-patience and hard work is the key for everyone.

Posted by roook on (November 11, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

Umar Akmal and Virat Kohli make debut around same time but umar akmal remains short of what expected from him. This has happened before Yasir hameed was fastest to 1000 and then finished. All we are getting are Afridi like boom boom player who after playing 350 matches does not know how to play a short ball and doesn't feels embarrassed that what message he was giving to young batsman maqsood on the other end.

First we need discipline in this team Afride, U akmal taking referral without consulting team, Afridi playing rubbish shots and still holding his spot in this team means no accountability and everybody is getting away with their bad performances. Even Maqsood played a awful shot to get out but he saw afridi doing the same so why he cannot. We will keep on doing this loop of getting seniors in and out but it will do nothing unless everybody is made accountable

Posted by abdulnasir786 on (November 11, 2013, 21:33 GMT)

My team selection: Openers: Asad Shafiq, Maqsood Misbah Younis Umar Akmal Abdul Razaq Omar Amin Junaid Khan Afridi Irfan ABC

Posted by GoldenAsif on (November 11, 2013, 21:32 GMT)

I know it is a big gamble but I would make Umar Akmal captain of the ODI team

A batting line-up comprising

Ahmed Shehzad Sharjeel Khan or Jamshed Fawad Alam Umar Akmal (c) Sohaib Maqsood Haris Sohail or Umar Amin (seems over-rated at present, perhaps needs to go back and spend more time in domestic cricket) Rizwan (wk) - can bat, will take pressure off UA

might perform better than the current pathetic seniors

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 21:31 GMT)

I miss a man like Imran Khan, bold and strong captain. Please drop those who are not performing. Pakistan should keep world cup 2015 in front of them and select team . I remember how srilanka dominated in 1996 cup also India is another example you score 350 they will chase it, so what is the use of having 6 bowlers when you cannot chase 160. Come on selectors stop giving preferences to your relatives and bring real talent in front or else get ready for same results like hockey and squash.

Posted by prakash_mishra on (November 11, 2013, 21:31 GMT)

Hundred on a difficult pitch;now that shows the class of AB and why he is hailed as one of the best batsman of this era.South Africa has best of the seamers at the moment and I am looking forward to their series with India though it's just 2 tests and 3 ODIs.Pakistan is lacking consistency and it is difficult to understand that why we keep seeing same faces despite so many failures. Hafeez looked good while playing against India but has not been able to produce similar performances consistently.Misbah bats good but has not been able to inspire the team.Bowling is awesome no doubt but still the class of oldies like Wasim,waqar and Akhtar is missing.Zunaid Khan has to prove that he is good enough to be the next great.Irfan has been bowling well regularly.Wahab riaz,Zunaid,Ajmal,Irfan should form the core of Pakistan bowling attack.Afridi should be retained for his bowling itself.Few good batsmen is what Pakistan badly need.Hope to see them winning more matches in future.Best of luck!!!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 21:30 GMT)

Pakistan has made a blunder and they need lot of changes first of all the captain and then they should bring back experienced players like yoinis , Shoaib malik, razzaq. And groom young players with them. bringing in all the young players will not help. It might work but that's not the way forward. that's how India has produced so many quality batsmen. Pakistan has lots of talent in bowlers but not in batting department bowlers have performed in almost every match. I still don't understand that they didn't saw talent of sohaib maqsood in nets and still umer amin or others were preferred in earlier matches of the series. any way Pakistan shd take positives and bring back experienced players and groom young players with them and they should pay respect to the seniors. I really feel sorry for a player of the caliber of Muhammad Yousuf. They surely cannot find his replacement. they shouldn't do the same with Younis khan and other seniors. hopefully they wake up and make the right decisions

Posted by binojpeter on (November 11, 2013, 21:29 GMT)

I thought Pakistan will do well in this match now that Steyn and Morkel are not playing.

Posted by BEN-pak on (November 11, 2013, 21:22 GMT)

Utterly disappointed by the way our team let's us down again and again. Get rid of Afridi now - he is the trouble maker on the pitch. You can sense the tension when he's on the pitch. He has had his day, old dogs don't learn new tricks. Get new blood, let them lose, lick their wounds and they will fight stronger in the future. Misbah must stay as a stabiliser and mentor. Whatmore was a bad choice in the first place, what national pride does he have for Pakistan? Alot less than Mosin Khan, I suspect. It was a pathetic display of no backbone today. I will not be watching these clowns again in the near future - I'd rather pay to watch proper one's in a circus.

Posted by BEN-pak on (November 11, 2013, 21:17 GMT)

Pakistan have been an utter disgrace throughout. They lack the backbone to win anything. I still believe Afridi is the main cause for all the troubles. Losing from winning situations almost every game except this one. They should be ashamed of their performance. Misbah and two or three others have proved their point. Get rid of them. Our bowlers have been exceptional to say the least. The batsman an utter shambles. Get new blood and let them lose to gain the experience. What's the point of talent and skill when it cannot be controlled. They made SA look better than they actually are. Pakistan have no 'science' in their game plan, Teams who have half the talent are winning because of the science employed by their coaches. It's time for Dav Whatmore to pack his bags. This nonsense cannot contunue - we have good coaches in Pakistan. Where has the pride gone?

Posted by GoldenAsif on (November 11, 2013, 21:14 GMT)

Yet another disappointing batting performance. The following players need to go

- Misbah - Afridi - Hafeez - Tanvir - Wahab

Time to look beyond these senior players and try to build a new team with a youngish captain. We will almost certainly not do well in the 2015 world cup given our pathetic batting but we can at least start planning for the 2019 edition NOW! Even if it means 3-4 more series losses. Keep the youngsters and bring more talented players (like Maqsood from domestic circuit) and give them chance and confidence.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 21:09 GMT)

PCB officials if you want to save Pakistan cricket please please please give captaincy to Shahid Afridi 1st thing is team performance was much better I would say was ideal when he was leading the team & Have no idea who the hell thought of removing him from captaincy.... Look at world cup performance 2nd thing is this is not the worst even though it look like pak cricket is dead it will be much more than this under Misbah captaincy. No doubt he is a good man but he has no control over team at all..... 3rd thing Afridi is under hell of a pressure as you are forcing him to play and listen to the person he hate the most because of his personality as a captain and funny decisions... For God sake do not make our team with such talent a misery in front of whole world though not any other country produce talent like Pakistan. Game changer talent wake up plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Think from your mind instead of feet. Good luck to all of us :(((

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 21:01 GMT)

I totally believe that Pakistan team has played to their potential. The only reason for their dismal display is lack of talented batsman. Pakistan have average batsman and good bowlers exploit their weakness and batsman oblige. Gone are the days when Pakistan used to produce top quality batsman like miandad, inzimam, saeed Anwar, basit Ali, Mohammad yousaf. I think the only way for Pakistan to improve is to nurture talented batsman.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (November 11, 2013, 20:52 GMT)

Domingo & the selectors must get real about the Proteas! de Kock must have a run: with gloves, as opener. AB is clearly a better skipper not keeping, & SA gets a phenomenal fielder back. Philander must be given a run - he is too consistent, too accurate & too economical to ignore - & he is a good lower order batsman.

Steyn & Philander must play. Morkel is a better overall ODI bowler than Lopsy, who is up & down & can't field. McLaren is steadily improving, taking wickets, & can bat. A touch expensive, but a strategic bowler. On a truly turning track - Tahir. On seaming tracks, JP's spin may be enough. He needs to bat down the order.

Faf is very very dicey - fielding worth more than batting. Miller struggled with confidence. Needs to bat as a closer. He'll build more confidence playing his natural game.

Smith's ODI ave is 38.32, & 30.97 since Jan 2010!.

Kallis MUST be sent out to play. If he is in form its a no brainer. Since 2010, his batting ave is 45, bowling ave 27.

Posted by aztecs on (November 11, 2013, 20:43 GMT)

Pakistan Toured our CC not long ago wont go into to much detail but they lost and only because we had done our home work. Our players knew weeks in advance who was going to get selected and their roles, only the very best got selected and differences were put aside. Our Coach nowhere near Dav Whatmore standard made us watch videos of pakistani players and gave the bowlers a clear plan to stick to. He made us train hard and by the end of it we knew what to do as it had been drilled into us. We even knew how to get the likes of Afridi/Hafeez out. And guess what we won. Can you believe what alittle planning at local level beat a national side like Pakistan. So what did that tell me about the great Pakistani Side? They are poorly coached and prepared and they are not great at all. They showed up because they were getting paid and showed no desire or hunger to win, and i saw that throughout the whole series. Great Pity and no shame.

Posted by duncanmoo on (November 11, 2013, 20:33 GMT)

SA Positives from this game: AB fluency, Philander ODI performance Negative: de Kock drop, R Pieterson's bowling

Posted by JeevanRamanuja on (November 11, 2013, 20:26 GMT)

This was a clinical Performance by Proteas,way ahead from Pakistan who were mediocre in all the departments compared to Proteas. AB is certainly 'Captain fantastic' and easily the best batsman going around the world presently in all formats.Add Smith to this line up and they can easily give run for their money to any team in the world. Pakistan needs to find solution to these pathetic batting performances else the game will miss a team which was once considered best!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 20:22 GMT)

I know it's not abt captaincy here bu still will b better for misbah to keep him self for test as far as captaincy is concern n drop hafeez umar akmal Amin, m not fan of shoaib Malik bu still he can fill hafeez boots sarfaraz as a keeper or if got any other will b grt cz we not looking at future of game so better to have any new guy as keeper hv to hv razaq bk in side give him chance in test as well But I will say one thing it's not players fault or captain if chairman of pcb is person like sathi then how can we expect tht thy will give us gud result

Posted by mzm149 on (November 11, 2013, 20:20 GMT)

Misbah should be sacked from ODI captaincy for the betterment of Pakistan cricket. He can continue playing as a batsman as long he is able to.

1. He is playing politics as was seen in underutilizing Hafeez today. Hafeez was stripped off bowling as he took a wicket and he was bowling economically. This is not the first instance. We have seen Misbah not showing trust in Hafeez's bowling before.

2. He Misbah is bent on playing Amin in XI even if he performs or not.

3. He has some strange policy regarding selection of Nasir Jamshed and Asad Shafiq. They surely become victim of his bias in every series.

4. Because he is a captain, he can't be dropped from the team even after bad performance.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 20:10 GMT)

Pakistan should play matches with Ireland or Afganistan to get their confidence back. Even Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are threats to them now. I wonder what will happen to Pakistan team when Misbah retires?

Posted by xylofon on (November 11, 2013, 20:03 GMT)

Nasir Jamshed is easily the best Pakistani batsman to come our way in a long time but hes not being shown enough rope at the same time hafeez, afridi, umar duckmal and co can fail miserably hundreds of times without reprimand. That is the type of treatment from PCB and co which cost us this series. Haris Sohail came along and played well not long ago - why wasnt he asked to continue?

Sharjeel Khan is another name. Of course, Babar Azam will make his way into the senior team but maybe the earlier the better. Is it worth keeping him under wraps for the U23 team or should he debut now?

Fawad Alam deserves a chance. I like Abdur Razzaq a LOT but hes old, we need to focus on youngsters same with younis khan. Umar Amin hasnt shown enough promise. Sohaib Maqsooq is promising but fans are getting CARRIED AWAY. Tanvir & Riaz are not good enough, certainly not riaz. A Shehzad/Jamshed/H Sohail/Fawad Alam/Babar Azam/Misbah (if earlier in the match and not captain) - promising lineup!

Posted by UmarW on (November 11, 2013, 19:56 GMT)

The only thing I must say that this series had become doubtful in the second test when the ball tempering was proved on South African bowler, so what if they have won this series without tempering the ball? This is a big question mark on the current tour of South Africa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by t20cric on (November 11, 2013, 19:52 GMT)

There are many changes Pakistan has to do to stand a chance in SA. -Change the captain to someone more encouraging and positive, someone with a more attacking approach. -drop Afridi for Razzaq as razzaq will be more effective in SA than Afridi -no wahab riaz, sohail tanvir, umar amin, asad shfiq in ODI team -have a medium-pace allrounder in the team like Hammad Azam, Anwar Ali, Bilawal Bhatti along with Razzaq so they can be groomed by razzaq -try haris sohail or fawad alam instead of amin & shafiq -mohammad rizwan instead of sarfraz ahmed as reserve wicketkeeper-batsman -hafeez plays down the order at no.5,6 or 7 -try umar akmal at no.4 (keep Sohaib at no.3) -try nasir jamshed in other position instead of opener -give sharjeel khan or babar azam or sami aslam a chance to open with ahmed shehzad -try new young spinner as all of our frontline spinners are 33+(Hafeez, Afridi, Ajmal, Rehman) -dont let tryed & tested players back in to ODI team (Farhat, Malik, Kamran)

Posted by IAS2009 on (November 11, 2013, 19:47 GMT)

Mr captain you Hafeez as bowler and he bowled 3 overs, hafeez is liability as batsman, other liability is sohail tanveer, who played for his batting more or less and conceded too many runs, third liability Afridi, 0 contribution with bat, effectively 3 useless player before team played the game. add this with blocking approach in batting you have 1-4 result in ODI, Misbah with his record as captain will be gone by now in any team. please release him of his duties, if he is not grooming good talent what is the point he is 39 years old himself.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (November 11, 2013, 19:43 GMT)

From a South African, it is always a pleasure to watch an SA vs Pakistan series, and I am looking forward to the upcoming T20is, and then the series in SA. Frankly, the 4-1 scorecard is not a fair reflection of how Pak played:it could easily have gone 3-2 in their favor with better batting down the order. Pak bowling had been of high quality, Irfan & Ajmal the standouts.

Hopefully Pak selectors will rethink the batting. Maqsood looks like an international player. Hits cleanly, plays with confidence. Misbah is what he is: reliable, clever, composed: as an anchor he can provide the platform for other batsmen to hit out. Shehzad looks a very promising youngster, & did well. That's it. The rest are bowlers or passengers. Surely Manzoor - a great list A ave - would have done better than "the rest," & also even Younis, a weak ODI ave, but does not easily fold.

I know nothing about the Pak National leagues, but there have to be better batmen out there! Pakistan produces great players!

Posted by RK204 on (November 11, 2013, 19:37 GMT)

This is so ridiculous !! How come it's possible?!? I can't believe this:'( Seems everything going wrong with PAK...... Now i bound to accept what Soaib akhter said 2 days seriously ..i thought he just said it out of his frustration ..but OMG!! Boss u r right, may be now a days they can't even think win over against Bangladesh with these pathetic batsmen !!!

Posted by CricketChat on (November 11, 2013, 19:29 GMT)

Just like the PCB, Pak cricket team setup, including coaching team, is due for a revamp. First one, that of not renewing head coach's contract, is already taken care of. Now, the team composition needs to be fixed. Start with change in captaincy. Afridi, if he is selected, should be captain in both ODI and T20 format. Let Hafeez (T20s only) and Misbah just concentrate on their batting only. The batting needs to be strengthened. Treat Afridi as a bowler only (no batting expectations).

Posted by Naqash123 on (November 11, 2013, 19:27 GMT)

Today pakistan cricket team showed that they are nothing with the bat. They need to give chances to domestic players like babar azam and hasan raza fantastic batters.

They need to do same how the indians cricket team did drop the senior players like virender sehwag and gautam gambhir and bring some new players like shikhar dhawan and bhuvneshwar kumar pakistan need to do the same.

Pakistan should have picked umar gul for the ODI and the t20 series what a waste of talent.

for the upcoming 2 t20's pakistan need to do a new experiment like opening the batting with shahid afrdi and ahmad shezaad and then 1 down mohammad hafeez 2 down abdul razzaq 3 down shoaib malik 4 down sohaib maqsood 5 down umar akmal Then the pakistan will starting win games and they need imran nazir very badly for a good score.

For the ucoming 2 t20's pakistan have to bat first a make a score of 170+ only then it will be a battle.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (November 11, 2013, 19:25 GMT)

Lol..If we are going to lose each & every series like that,why not try the youngsters..I mean all 11 of them young players.What are these experienced players for if they cant help Pak win matches..Well winning the matches is way too difficult for Pak,i just want some fight back.It makes me so sad to see my team surrendering so easily.This is the worst Pak team till date.So much humiliation in every tournament that we entered.SA team now a days is struggling in ODI.They are experimenting with the players to get their ODI squad right.We cant even win from SA in friendly conditions.We got mo settled keeper,no decent all rounder who can bowl with some pace & Bat well..It's sad to say this but i dont want to watch any match of Pak.Our team is a disgrace to Cricket.Even Zimbabwe would have put up some fight.In our current situation,we are not even on par with Zimbabwe

Posted by gr8-cricket on (November 11, 2013, 19:15 GMT)

Hafeez and Afridi will keep on playing and as a matter of fact one of them will become captain in the near future. Please keep bringing back these players, we need them to keep our losing records. Please do not remove these two players.

Posted by MageshK on (November 11, 2013, 19:11 GMT)

Drop Afridi and Hafeez. Pick any one specialist batsman and one specialist bowler. That should seal the deal. Both of them are average bowlers and below average batsmen.

Posted by t20cric on (November 11, 2013, 19:07 GMT)

This series was so sad. Atleast at the beginning of the year we succesfully chased some targets against India, SA, WI and Zim but now our batting has become horrible. Misbah's captaincy was just stupid today. He bowled out Afridi (who was looking great today) before even the powerplay started, then he underused Hafeez(also looked great today) and instead persisted with the overrated Tanvir for the death overs. Making such big mistakes all in one match means he shouldnt be captain anymore. Maybe Hafeez can be given a chance as ODI captain afterall the T20 team is so succesful under him. I'm sure Hafeez would be smart enough to know that Irfan & Junaid should open with the new ball not Tanvir. Captaincy may also give a boost to Hafeez's batting(it boosted Misbah's batting to). Or they can try a young player who is ready to become captain(not Amin). Changing the captain from a negative one to an encouraging, positive one can make a huge difference.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 19:05 GMT)

I think in our current Domestic season 18 team playing simultaniously each team having 15 players squad and 18*15=270 . 270 players playing domestic cricket currently. u can not find any

Alrouders + Batsmans+Bowlers among them

So unfortunate .

Posted by Temuzin on (November 11, 2013, 19:03 GMT)

Its really pathetic to see Pakistani batting suffering on the flat tracks of Sharjah. One can only imagine what will be their fate if they visit seeming and bouncy tracks of SA and Australia. I mean Pakistani Bowlers are doing good work to limit opposition to a getable score but their batting is so dismal that they can not chase even 250 ( in last three years, they could not chase any score of 250 or more). Its high time Pakistan find two good batsmen or else they will be only fit to play with minnows like Kenya, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 19:01 GMT)

Add 5 members of this squad: Mohammad Irfan,Saeed Ajmal, Junaid Khan, Ahmed Shehzad, Sohaib Maqsood to U-23 Pak team (recently runner up in Asian emerging players) & make permanent squad for near future tour as far as concerned to Limited Overs Internationals. No matter what result would come but I am pretty sure it would be better than this. Don't recall ever again any players played in this ODI series except above mentioned 5. Their best have been history now. No point in expecting them to be better.

Posted by indicricket on (November 11, 2013, 19:00 GMT)

Surely, when a team loses the Captain and the Coach have to take some responsibility. But what will the coach or Captain do when batsmen make absolute silly mistakes? After playing over 350 ODIs Afridi still does not know how to construct an innings. He just swings the bat, if it connects, it connects. At this stage in his career does he need somebody to point out you can't play like this against international teams ? He calls himself 'Boom Boom' and some people want him as Captain!!! What T....

Posted by Stark62 on (November 11, 2013, 18:59 GMT)

If Hafeez is dropped, then it would be real shame because he would have been a fine finisher for Pak at no. 6 but unfortunately, his ego is too big and will have to pay the price.

Also, I see Misbah has had bad influence on the ODI team with his negative tactics and we have been beaten by Eng, Aus and SA in ODI's during his reign but no doubt, he is the best candidate for captaincy in Tests.

I would give Afridi back the captaincy because he performs much better as a captain and plays responsibly with the bat too.

The 15 man squad to SA: Shezhad, Jamshed, Maqsood, U. Akmal (wkt), Gul, Ajmal, Afridi (cpt), Junaid, Irfan, Rizwan (wkt), Hammad, Harris, Sharjeel, Sadaf, Hafeez/Babar Azam.

Posted by Jda123 on (November 11, 2013, 18:57 GMT)

The legends need to return now to save Pakistan -

Farhat - Malik - Younis - Kamran

Posted by UK_Chap on (November 11, 2013, 18:51 GMT)

Michael Mayne : The SA supporters should not get carried away with this, they won because they won the toss and batted first every time. If they had to chase they would have been on the end of a series defeat too. Both of these teams are complete rubbish when it comes to chasing. SA`s record in tournaments spells that out as does Pakistan`s although they have had a little more success. Having said that though, a win is a win, congratulations to SA and their fans. As for Pakistan, I cannot use the expletives that I really want to on this forum to describe what I truly think of the Pakistan players and their performances.

Posted by Behind_the_Wicket on (November 11, 2013, 18:50 GMT)

" It is old story of Pakistan " as Misbah said means that is normal for us so we are not shameful on this defeat.Is that ? Many people think Afridi as a captain lol he is not responsible player how he can be a responsible captain.Drop the names bring the players for sake of Pakistan Cricket.

Posted by ozone8237 on (November 11, 2013, 18:48 GMT)

Recent and late performances of Pak Team suggest that the team is turning into "Muhalla" (street) cricket. I am pretty sure the team will roar back into T-20's and guarantee that they will draw the series or be the favorite to win the T-20 series in UAE. The PCB think tank needs to find the core issue that is the root cause of Pakistan's fragile batting line up and the poor team selection; whether it is due to politics, poor selection by selectors, coach and captain or giving too many chances to players holding Past glorious records. Either the domestic system is not producing the genuine talents or the system is questionable itself or may be Mr. Politics and favoritism are the obstacles for the talented, skilled talents to come forward and make into the Team Pakistan the clock is ticking for the Coach and Captain and the "Unreliables" chunk of players who need to be shown the "EXIT" doors..

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (November 11, 2013, 18:48 GMT)

We need changes and those changes should not be about bringing Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal etc coming back. My team for SA series would be; Ahmad Shehzad, Sami Aslam, Sohaib Maqsood,Umar Akmal, Misbah, Haris Sohail, Hafeez, Razzaq, Umar Gul, Ajmal and Irfan. You won't get spinning wickets there so no need to play 3rd spinner.

Posted by Fineline on (November 11, 2013, 18:44 GMT)

When is gonna Sohail Tanvir leave Pakistan Cricket.He is not an all rounder.He is just a bowler.I hope we see Umar gul back into the team in the next series and surely he will not be there or Razzak can be a much better replacement.Poor death bowling by all Pakistani bowlers.South Africa were 155-5 in 40 overs and they reached 268 eventually.No improvement in the batting at all.Hafeez and Afridi have to go home otherwise we are never gonna fail in the next series as well.

Posted by British_North_America on (November 11, 2013, 18:42 GMT)

Well, the equation is simple.The team batting first wins the match.The only time Pakistan batted first in this series, they won.South Africa was lucky enough to win the toss 4 times, they won all 4 of them.Pakistan could even win the series 5-0 if they could bat first in all the matches.Both the teams are very bad in chase.I am not a Pakistani supporter nor I support Pakistan cricket.I am a Bangladeshi.But that's what I think is the fact.

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (November 11, 2013, 18:39 GMT)

Is Umaer Amin in anyway related to Najam Sethi. Why would a player who has no considerable first class record go on to play 15 matches without even performing once or even looking to be performing in the coming future while all other youngesters who have done a lot better sit and wait their turn for whole life? Why was Haris Sohail not given such chances? Is Amin a better choice than playing Younis? Shameful Work by PCB and specially the selection committee.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:38 GMT)

Anyway we can criticize misbah or pak team and we will keep doing that but

Sa played really well. they improved in each game and some 1 took responsibility in each game for them and finished things for them.

Their fielding was superb and they improved their batting. the best part for them is that their bench strength is good. You see guys coming in for a game and making immediate impact. hatts off to them.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:38 GMT)

Come on where are all the people who said South Africa would lose on these spinning tracks. THere was a lot of you.

Posted by likeintcricket on (November 11, 2013, 18:36 GMT)

At this low point Pakistan should avoid going to SA. Its no point in taking Afridi, Hafeez and some other players. They should recall Younis and take only youngsters knowing that they are not gonna win any matches with current form. I still believe that the batting can bowl SA out within 250 bowling second but with no pressure on them and lossing so many tosses they ougth to make 250+.

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (November 11, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

Pakistan won't improve by replacing the players only. The selection committee is the first which should be sent home. It is them who persist with the players who have failed for decades. And only afterwards you start analysing the team itself. We have had enough of Hafeez, Asad Shafiq, Umar Amin, Afridi and Sohail Tanveer. They all should be thrown the door. Pakistan needs to try new faces and the players who are showing their strength in the first class, must be tried in the coming series. Pakistan also needs depth in their batting and you can't go on to consider Afridi, Hafeez and Razaq as allrounders any more. Afridi is playing purely as a bowler who can't score more than 10 runs per innings so think again if he deserves to play as one of the 3 non-batting bowlers.

Posted by Jadejafan on (November 11, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

The Pakistan team is old and and lack of quality youngsters. I can see teams like Ire and Ban surpassing them soon.

Posted by neo-galactico on (November 11, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

Am I the only one who finds all these awards tedious and wholly unnecessary? Most runs, best bowling figures, best moment in the field etc... Why not just give every player an awarding for playing or better yet have one award to the MOM (and MoS at the end of the series)?

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:32 GMT)

When will we stop moving in circles. Malik is coming back and looks like kamran is coming back as well. Why not get M rizwan as keeper? Why select players with 30 odd avg in domestic events? If domestic performances does not matter then why have so many matches throughout the year.

I agree with many comments to strip misbah of captaincy. But not give it hafeez or afridi. They both have question marks on their selection at times. make some one else captain. 1 of afridi - hafeez should play not both together. They can not be selected only on their bowling.

Hafeez is slightly better batsman than afridi and afridi is better bowler than hafeez. both can be managed according to the situation. we dont need that many spinners in SA. Razak may be back for that . so why not make razak captain?

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 18:29 GMT)

Posted by Muhammad Taha Naseer Ansari on (November 11, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

I agree that an experiment on the SA tour will not hurt. Atleast it wont be worst than what we have seen here. Regarding the various names that you suggested, I would like to add that AFRIDI was doing just fine as Captain untilll WAQAR started behaving tough and the subsequent spat between them. Since then Afridi is just being kept out of Captaincy and Pakistan is paying a heavy price for that. Everyone knew from the begining that Misbah does not have a place in the playing XI, consequently it was a bad choice. Also Misbah has managed to spoil Jamshed's batting by dropping him in the SA tour.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:28 GMT)

Win or Loose is part of the package , Forget Old , Move Forward and Work from there - Misbah-ul-Haq didn't say this today :D he should have though it was most needed.

Posted by roook on (November 11, 2013, 18:28 GMT)

Razzaq is better option in SA condition than afridi his bowling and batting average is better than afridi. Sohaib Maqsood is the only positive pakistan can take.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:23 GMT)

Pakistan need an all-rounder. A good opening pair and a Good Game plan every match and Confidence in batting approach.I can mention more but lets work on this for now.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:21 GMT)

i think time to make some hard decisions. You can change captain but i dont buy this comment that that is the only solution. Change him. But also drop non performing players as well. by keeping same players in playing 11 and just changing coach - captain will not work.

the important thing to me is change the selectors. Bold and good selectors can fix this. who dont ignore top performers in domestic circuit & select 30 odd avg players. domestic performance does matter. select guys who performs well in domestic events not favoritism.

More importantly , address the dressing room politics & issues. There is surely something going on as media says & ex players.

A weak batting like pak can not go with 6 bowlers who can not bat much. Hafeez & afridi are there for batting also. you can not pick them for bowling only.If you want afridi as bowler then drop ajmal. and 1 of afridi - hafeez should play. next series is in SA so dont need that much spinners. get real allrounder (razaq or any1)

Posted by Jacob1234 on (November 11, 2013, 18:15 GMT)

Please remove afridi and Hafeez from team, if Pakistan want to win some matches... There average is below than any all rounders in the world... Please search fresh talent..

Posted by Zee_1203 on (November 11, 2013, 18:15 GMT)

I don't understand why our players plays for themselves instead of Pakistan, Shoaib Maqsood no doubt is a great finding, but they way he gave his wicket on 4th and 5th shows he only care for himself, UN-necessary shot, when you are well set and your effort might make the difference, none of the Pakistan players even from their body language shoes they care for Pakistan victory, except for Misbah of course because he is captain, the only player I saw in the team is Ahmad Shazad who cares. I think I have to stop watching the Cricket.

Posted by Oraclebob on (November 11, 2013, 18:14 GMT)

Makes no difference how much talent Afridi has... his temperament should disqualify him every time. 20 overs to bat and he swings like there's a swarm of flies around him.

Posted by ispaewbi on (November 11, 2013, 18:11 GMT)

Misbah needs to be dropped as Captain. His team selection has been extremely poor. That has literally caused us the series.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:10 GMT)

i believe the only positive from this tour was shazad misbah as always and sohaib maqsoods batting all the other players apart from irfan and junaid should go back to either domestic cricket or the NCA afridi should take retirement for pakistans sake and let someone else take his place wahab and sohail tanveer not good enough umar amin and akmal let downs in batting ajmala not threating any more as it was the last game and series already lost sarfraz nasir and abdur rehman shouldve played pak selectors and pcb wake up and make some tough decisions for pakistan crickets sake the cricket is in turmoil for the last few years and nothing is being done

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:10 GMT)

pakistan batsmen 5 innings: Maqsood: 109 - 54.5 ahmed:193 - avg 38.6 Misbah: 158 - 31.6

Hafeez:108 - 21.6 Umar Akmal: 95 - 19.0

Wahab: 51 ( 3 games ) - 17 Umar amin: 52 ( 4 games ) - 13 Tanvir: 58 - 11.6 Afridi: 53 - 10.6

asad:12 ( 2 games ) 6 jamshed: 1 (2 games ) 0.50

that tells the story. It should settle some scores for selectors;

Asad is not good odi batsman.

Umair amin is not that talented as some board officials and media says. He has not that promising domestic record. May be he can come back after good few season in domestic circuit but not ready now.

Tanvir / wahab are among scores in this series but that is not enough to suggest that they are all ronders or good batsmen. get genuine medium pace all rounder.

afridi is a bowler now. the sooner we accept it the better. Afridi/ hafeez can not be picked for only their bowling in playing 11. pak is weak batting unit. we need contribution from them in batting. If you are selecting them as bowler then drop ajmal.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 18:09 GMT)

The so-called Solid Batsman of Pakistan MISBAH has got a series average of 31 at a srike rate of 68. This team is going nowhere. This idea of recycling old failures is putting Pakistan deeper and deeper into the abyss. Also the bowlers like WAHAB & TANIVR has been a shocking aspect of this series. It would have been a better idea to select JUNAID and a specialist batsman. Also UMAR AKMAL as a keeper is not a good idea, in anycase Umar Akmal is a good fielder. In a team that does not fiedl well, they should keep Akmal in the point/cover region. Also his batting has struggled because of keeping. It would have been a better idea to play SARFRAZ.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:08 GMT)

Pak cricket heading nowhere. Currently Bangladesh are trying to play like giants whereas Pakistan are playing like minnows... Have a feeling that currently Pak are the weakest team in the sub continent. Anyway if all the three formats are taken into consideration only two sides appear world class in batting/balling/fielding : South Africans and England. Rest are lacking in some or the other fields... Indians are world class only in batting(nowadays to an extent fielding as well), Australians are world class only in batting(only shorter format) and in balling(only longer format except the spinner). Lankans have few old horses in batting and the slinger, other than nothing much and the Pakis have Ajmal, Misbah and couple of good but not exceptional pacers.. Regarding NZ and WIs, the lesser said about them, the better... India have to find couple of good pacers(Shami is just starting, so much can't be said about him) and Pakistan have to find 5-6 good batters.. A monumental task indeed!!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:08 GMT)

As an indian cricket fan .. It's sad to see Pakistan cricket in this state .. This has all happened the since the ban on cricket to be played in the country .. It's shame t!! But you have to look at the government and the people of Pakistan , they have stood by and let there own country go down on this path of self distruction... When are we ever going to learn that religion will not solve anything in the long run ... Pakistan has to learn to live together in there own country first !!! Then the world will come ... Pakistan cricket is at the forefront of all that the world sees of Pakistan ... Only a few years ago .. We were one nation ... So come on Pakistan ..

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 18:07 GMT)

A clinical win for the Proteas.SA are spoilt for talent and the hunger for victory is there.Pakistan need to apply themselves and have a good look at themselves.A good tour alround.Remember Kallis and Smith are still playing.Gary must talk to Amla as hr appears to have picked up a flaw in his batting.

Posted by CricIndia208 on (November 11, 2013, 18:07 GMT)

Sri Lanka has won nothing and none of sanga's innings have helped Sri Lanka in the big tournaments. He failed in the semi finals against India who went on to win the trophy. India also beat Sri Lanka in the West Indies tri series. Sanga even failed in the World Cup finals against India. All of Kohli' s innings have resulted in Indian victories, including the chase against Sri Lanka at Hobart. Blade runner is probably upset that Kohli plays so well against Sri Lanka. Sanga is a home town hero.

Posted by jalebi_bai on (November 11, 2013, 18:02 GMT)

really sad to see pakistan team go down like this. the selectors need to be fired. misbah, afridi, hafeez, akmal, tanvir need to go please. sohaib maqsood only give good performance. hope he gets more chances. asad shafiq needs to be played more. good luck to pakistan team. i am sure they will come back strongly.

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 11, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

@fast-gun - It's funny whenever a SA/Eng/Aussie makes a century, it's always trying conditions or that he is talented, unless the batsman is Indian...and then it's due to flat pitch. What is the big deal about playing in SA? India won the Champions Trophy by winning ALL matches in England.

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 11, 2013, 17:57 GMT)

@Blade-Runner dear sir you like to post random comments on these forums that hardly make sense? sangakkara has played most cricket on flat pitches, and is no match winner by world standards. don't be so dishonest.

Posted by atthipatti on (November 11, 2013, 17:56 GMT)

@Balde-Rummer...yeah yeah...I, you & all of the world knows that "The King" has excellent clothes....Let us all agree that "the King" has clothes on!!!

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 11, 2013, 17:53 GMT)

@Htc-Android dear sir were you even watching the games in india or just randomly commenting like @Blade-Runner? chasing under lights was very difficult in nagpur with the ball swinging and later keeping low. india still chased 350. jaipur pitch was starting to disintegrate in 2nd innings like in SL. india still chased 350. run scoring was not that easy in all the matches. kindly learn to appreciate good performances from other teams also.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 17:53 GMT)

Bazid Khan was just saying that we have around 275 players in our first class circuit. Don't you think if our selection process was fair, and on merit, we can have a decent team? It is just shameful, and very, very, irritating. We waste good talent because of personal likes and dislikes, or because of regionalism. Asim Kamal, and Fawad Alam from recent memory, also Azhar Mehmood, Abdul Razzaq. We experiment with some good players, here and there, and never give them an extended run. Saeed Bin Nasir was taken for a tour, a couple years ago, but never given a match. Shahzeb Hasan has been sitting on the sidelines. Faisal Iqbal was never given an extended run. It is just unfortunate, and unless we get out of this mindset, we'll never be a force to reckon with.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

someone asked a million dollar question... if misbah is removed who can be the captain. pakistan is going for a short series in south africa. an experiment wont hurt them if they send a new young captain or someone worthy of being a captain. out of the playing 11 today there are few faces who can be experimented as captain. saeed ajmal, ahmed shehzad and or maybe give captaincy back to afridi. thats all I can say after this series

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 17:48 GMT)

Every time WAHAB RIAZ AND SOHAIL TANVIR get selected we are told that they selected as all rounders. But I dont remember these guys getting any runs. Then why are we told everytime that these guys can bat?

Posted by coolitbaby on (November 11, 2013, 17:46 GMT)

@Blade-Runner you must have worked very very hard to come up with that statistic - looking for a game where the "king" sanga despite having played over 400 games in all kinds of flat pitches stayed till end end and won game for sl. lol.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 17:45 GMT)

As Pakistani supporters we are all very upset as Pakistan batting standard's are worse than Afghanistan at the moment. Yes there are issues with Misbah's captaincy but the basic issue is that we haven't produced quality batsman for years and if we have in domestic cricket they are not being given the chance by the bigots who make selection committee and they keep favoring pathetic players like Hafeez or select failing horses like Afridi who can slog sizes but IS NOT A BATSMAN. Players like Umar Akmal who had the talent messed with own selection with his behavior and from being a good talent has turned into a mediocre one. Pakistan needs to nurture batsmen from domestic structure with proper coaches and camps and whoever has averages persistently over 30 needs to be given a chance and get rid of all the tried and failed lot as how worse would it be than where we are now.

Posted by just_chill_chill on (November 11, 2013, 17:43 GMT)

@Blade-Runner and i bet you that sri lanka ended up losing most of those matches when sangakkara scored runs. regardless of the pitch, weather and other conditions kohli scores BIG runs and india WINS TROPHIES. neither of these apply to sri lanka and sangakkara. and kohli gave your sri lankan team hammering of a lifetime chasing 378 in 35 overs in hobart i think. where is hobart? in sri lanka?

Posted by AricentHarish on (November 11, 2013, 17:39 GMT)

@Blade-Runner, when you can remember Sanga's innings on an English track, I wonder how you forget Kohli's innings in West Indies, Zimbabwe, his infamous last innings in Australia and even the innings against SL in the warm up game of CT. All of them were on flat tracks, right ?

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 17:34 GMT)

Afridi opner he is a born tailender as i wrote b4 just thinks he can pull and hook..pls pls cum to ur senses he is a pure tailender no don Bradman or sir viv richards..

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 17:26 GMT)

well played by maqsood. He showed that domestic stats does matter and also there is a difference in just slogging in the name of aggression or being watchful and still go at good pace. hope he continues for some time ..

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

Umar Akmal gone as well. Up to afridi and maqsood. Run rate is still ok but no wickets in hand. ahmed, hafeez and amin contributed nothing today and misbah played out of his character to day. This is slow wicket which needs proper cricketing shots not just hitting. Maqsood is a real find for pakistan and only positive pak can take from these matches.

Posted by roook on (November 11, 2013, 16:58 GMT)

Who says there is no talent in Pakistan performance of maqsood is delight to watch. Now I fear shoaib malik will be back on for umar amin. Umar amin doesnot reflect all the youngster his FC average is mediocre replace youngster with youngster and senior with senior. Test young players for SA tour this is time to build team

Posted by jalebi_bai on (November 11, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

@coolitbaby don't think talent-wise pakistan team has problems, but does have serious mental weaknesses. umar gul is best example. received hammering from sehwag and has been damaged totally since then.

Posted by Htc-Android on (November 11, 2013, 16:53 GMT)

@just_chill_chill. Sri lankan wickets are not flat wickets. They are slow turning wickets. The highest ODI run chase in SL is 286 and thats the only 250+ run chase in SL. Once you score 250+ in SL, the game is game is yours. Meanwhile in India the highest run chase is 360( could have been 415 if we had won that game in Rajkot) and there were many high scoring games produced in your country. In these days chasing 350+ is a walk in the park in Indian wickets.

Posted by fast_gun on (November 11, 2013, 16:53 GMT)

@ samincolumbia, your ignorance is not appreciated here AB played an excellent innings in trying conditions. If you just come here to bash on South Africa wait until they play India in December. Until then please keep you biased comments to yourself!

Posted by coolitbaby on (November 11, 2013, 16:40 GMT)

@arnie66 fyi indian bowlers defended 16 runs off 20 balls with 5 wickets in hand against top team like england in extremely high pressure champions trophy finals. remember bhuvneshwar was unplayable at times in CT. indian bowlers raise their game and step up on the world stage all the time. pakistan bowlers like their batsmen are very poor under pressure, just like in the last game.

Posted by coolitbaby on (November 11, 2013, 16:37 GMT)

@Blade-Runner sangakara stay till the end and finish off chases for sri lanka?? like in last game against weakened NZ team where he collected his 50, and promptly departed? what major trophy sangakara has won for sri lanka? sri lanka does not win anything but still...

Posted by pull_shot on (November 11, 2013, 16:36 GMT)

@ Blade-Runner wow u talking about "giving credit where there is due" super

Posted by binu.emiliya on (November 11, 2013, 16:36 GMT)

Keep Misbah,Ajmal,Junaid , Irfan,Ahmed Sehzad and Shoib Maqsood (he is very good , i rate him above Shehzad) ony from the current squad, forget about all tried and tested players , include players from U 19 Shami Aslam,Mohammed Navaz,Hazan Raza and some more batsmen, you will get a good team, then think about Wasim Akram as coach

Posted by just_chill_chill on (November 11, 2013, 16:31 GMT)

@Blade-Runner maybe you are talking about some other sangakkara. sangakkara who plays cricket for sri lanka just accumulates few runs for himself and then gets out, well before the job is done. he has played about 400 one day matches mostly on flat sri lankan pitches and still has only scored about 15 hundreds. if you need champion batsmen, look at virat kohli. he turns into a raging bull when huge targets need to be chased, and just does not stop until the game is won. in fact even after the game gets over, he refuses to come off the pitch and wants to chase 100 more runs !!!

Posted by Albert_cambell on (November 11, 2013, 16:30 GMT)

@samincolumbia. 270 in modern day cricket under these new rules is a fair total in any grounds. This is not a flat wicket. This is a slow and low turning wicket. If it is flat wicket, then we could have scored over 350+ like ur team normally does in those highways in India. Ya ur right man. If AB gets to play many matches in those highways in India, he could have averaged over 100, Jut like ur Kohli and Dhoni.

Posted by roook on (November 11, 2013, 16:18 GMT)

Afridi should be dropped as he is inconsistent with bat and hafeez should be playing down the order at 6 or 7 as his batting average suggest Like maclracen for South Africa he is a wicket taker and slogs at end as Hafeez is technically not equipped with defensive shots. Nasir jamshad deserve more than Umar amin and misbah is getting more controversial day by day under bowling hafeez not giving maqsood whole series instead wasting time with umar amin. Misbah can never build a team with his current state of mind and we are out of players and out of options to apply.

Our selectors should have given chance to shan masood or khuram manzoor instead of testing Asad shafiq again and he remains consistent in failing in ODI. he has strike rate of 69 which is not acceptable for ODI and why we give label to batsman hafeez is a opener, nasir jamshad is a opener. India tested Rohit sharma on every spot to find spot that best suits him. Play Nasir Jamshad down the order to get some run.

Posted by just_chill_chill on (November 11, 2013, 16:12 GMT)

ab devilliers was awesome. pakistan bowling exposed once again. very weak under pressure.

Posted by arnie66 on (November 11, 2013, 16:11 GMT)

As an Indian supporter, it's ironical to see the difference between India and Pakistan. For India, we will lose the match if the Indian batsman set any target less than 300 as our weak bowling attack can't defend it. For Pakistan, if the opposition team manages to set a total above 250, then the game is as good as lost as the batsman will not make it. It would have been great to have a team with Indian batsmen and Paki bowlers !

Posted by Blade-Runner on (November 11, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

AB is one cool cat. I loved the way he paced his innings, started pretty slow on this difficult pitch against top class bowlers like Ajmal in the beginning and went berserk at the end.Most importantly, he stayed there till the end. There are only a few batsmen who can play like that (like Sanga) and AB is certainly one of 'em. It was a real treat to watch him play. Way to go champ !!!!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 16:04 GMT)

I think Asad Shafiq is the easiest target in PAKISTAN team .. When the team loose just Hammer him out .. What a mess we have made of a great talent.. Again superb brilliant and classy ABD .. A top class inning by a Class BATMAN .. Probably one of his best.. Well playd ABD..

Posted by Blade-Runner on (November 11, 2013, 16:00 GMT)

@samincolumbia ; This is a pretty slow spinning track, not a flat pitch. Don't get confused coz they are playing in the UAE not in India. lol Its a quite difficult surface to bat on as you can see how SA batsmen struggled against PAK spinners. But, AB paced his innings superbly and at the end used some unconventional shots to speed the things up. Just because you guys only play on tracks, doesn't mean that other countries prepare flat decks. AB is a gem of a batsman who has excelled in all conditions. I thought he played a magnificiant innings today, possibly a match winning knock. Pls stop being ignorant and give credit where its due.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 15:55 GMT)

Umar Amin has a first class average of 38 and a LIst A average of 31. What do the Selectors and Misbah expect from him? How can you even expect that this guys will perform against a quality opposition like South Africa?

Posted by mzm149 on (November 11, 2013, 15:54 GMT)

Umar Amin has justified his selection and persistence of captain sticking with him. 5 valuable runs which will prove match winning.

Posted by Speng on (November 11, 2013, 15:54 GMT)

I understand Philander isn't rated by SA as a limited overs bowler but his quality surely rated a start alongside Steyn, Morkel and Tahir. We know that in tests their fast bowlers form a 3 headed monster that is more than the sum of its parts but that reality seems to be ignored in ODIs with respect to Philander.

Posted by golgoal on (November 11, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

pakistan can't handle any pressure at all. look at those batsmen and bowlers. no talent, no temperament, no confidence. just hot air.

Posted by mzm149 on (November 11, 2013, 15:49 GMT)

I salute A. B de Villiers. This is what is called batting and captain's knock. He built his innings through singles instead of blocking blocking and then wild slogging like Misbah.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

Series after series S.TANVIR & WAHAB RIAZ have let down the Pakistani team, but for reasons best known to MISBAH these guys can easily get into the team everytime. Only God knows what Misbah expects from them. How many times to you have to repeat the same experiment before understanding that the resuld will remain the same everytime. But the worst part of his experiment is that these two guys have been getting into the team at the expense of JUNAID KHAN. For the last 15 years or so we had one M.SAMI who tortured the Pakistani fans. Now it is W.Riaz, S.Tavir & U.Gul. This team is not going anywhere. No point in changing the Coach, better change the Captain and also selectors.

Posted by golgoal on (November 11, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

i think pakistanis need to do a jihad against bad batting.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:48 GMT)

well when your top scorer and in form batsman goes like that ...

and your Professor goes like that and for nothing on board.. that tells the sorry story of your batting

Posted by Shan.z on (November 11, 2013, 15:47 GMT)

Youngster will say my captain told me to stay on the wicket until 10 balls left then we can score .. hahah what a joke this Pakistani team is.

FAN should not even bother watching cricket these days. The result will be same.

Posted by kamranpk2000 on (November 11, 2013, 15:46 GMT)

same Pathetic approach by Pak. and the result will be the same. Pak will be boweld out under 175!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:45 GMT)

Well there are a lot of comments suggest to drop Misbah, Hafeez and Afridi, the greatest problem with the Pak is that their young players were never consistent.Taufeeq Umar, Umar Akmal etc have shown initial promise only to fade away. There were times when Umar was compared with Virat Kohli - but alas,the comparisons were just too premature. Umar played more than 2/3rd of the number of matches that virat has played and still couldnt put half as many runs. Cant really blame Pakistani selectors for persisting with old horses

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 11, 2013, 15:45 GMT)

yaar pakistanis, first go and learn to play cricket before playing against good teams. can't bat, can't bowl, can't field. pathetic.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:42 GMT)

Well, knowing the quality of this SA outfit, the series win doesnt surprise me at all. While the pitches and weather are tailor made for Pakistani team to excel, they failed miserably even to put up a decent fight. I cant imagine how this team will perform in unfavourable conditions. At the time of this comment Pak is 8/2 - so another defeat is on the cards

Posted by ZSHAH on (November 11, 2013, 15:40 GMT)

it is indeed a problem time for Pakistan. no question batting is horrible to put it mildly. This probably will get better with younsters getting more exposure. this has not been possible so far. Pakistan does not get enough cricket at international level. experimenting with too many players is also not helpful. to build consistency after selection the players must be given a regular long haul. only the confidence can be built. the problem may not be talent it definitely is confidence.

while I am a big supporter of Misbah as a batsman. I firmly believe that he should be changed as a captain for odi. In todays match there was absolutely no excuse for not using Hafeez for more than 3 overs when he had already taken a wicket and his econ rate was nice.

it seems to me that there is rift between Misbah and Hafeez for captain. seems doesn't want Hafeez to succeed in bowling. Hafeez to me is still quite under rated bowler. For this reason I believe Hafeez should be Captain in odi not Misbah

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 15:40 GMT)

Hafeez's poor show against good teams continue. How long can you conitnue with this guy as an opener? The World Cups are round the corner. both the T20 cup comming up and in a little while even the 50 overs World Cup. Where are you going Misbah?

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 15:38 GMT)

Also Misbah fails to realise that Hafeez is not a specialist batsman/opner. one more failure to Hafeez.

Posted by Shan.z on (November 11, 2013, 15:36 GMT)

Misbah is good batsmen no doubt but he does not have skills to be captain.

Posted by Shan.z on (November 11, 2013, 15:35 GMT)

here we go!! tuk tuk started. Pakistani batsmen will wait till 40th over then try to hit the ball. Openers will waste then Captain Misbah will come to make it more worse.

then blame batting. Misbah,Hafeez & Afridi all 3 needs to be out of the team.

Posted by dawoodibrahim on (November 11, 2013, 15:35 GMT)

Here we go again the collapse is about to start. Unlucky for Shehzad but this is what happens when you play defensivly. Pressure builds and you play a risky shot.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:33 GMT)

if misbah is removed from captaincy,then who is capable to charge.its one million dollar question. every player is struggling in the game except for saeed ajmal. the question is who is capable to score 269 to win. players always keep themselves under pressure while chasing of 100 or less even. now days teams like India Australia comfortably chasing 300 plus.other side Pak cant even under 200.

Posted by Shan.z on (November 11, 2013, 15:31 GMT)

here we go!! tuk tuk started. Pakistani batsmen will wait till 40th over then try to hit the ball. Openers will waste then Captain Misbah will come to make it more worse.

then blame batting. Misbah,Hafeez & Afridi all 3 needs to be out of the team.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:30 GMT)

gotta love the pakistan fans comments...some of you need to relax hahaha, every second comment is about misbah who apparently sucks and must be dropped really folks he scored your teams most runs during the test series and is second best in the odi's SO THUS if we use logic and simple math as guide we can establish that he is indeed your BEST bastmen simply get all worked up when u lose and then u always cry about your captain shame poor guy he really doesnt deserve half the flack he gets. One can always blame his bowling order when u lose but when it goes right no cred to the captain. lol

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

Again persisting with Hafeez as opener he averages only 28? is that the best pakistan have, its just unfair to cricket players with better averages they dont get selected and this is the reason pakistan bowling has come under pressure to deliver at all times.

Posted by SurlyCynic on (November 11, 2013, 15:21 GMT)

Absolutely superb innings by AB on a difficult pitch against class bowlers. Great to watch, one of the best sights in cricket when he is in full flow.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

some hard decisions should be made. only changing captain or coach will not work. change both but also drop non performing players. and address the drssing room politics and groupings. and select top performers from domestic events no matter who it is. and find genuine all rounders not hafeez or afridi. both when fail with bat say they are bowling all rounders and when they fail with bowl they say we are focusing on batting.

sohail tanveer and wahab are not even good bowlers let alone all rounders. maqsood showed that dometic stats do matter. why do you choose players with 30 avg when you have 45+ guys? they showed on tv that after farhat (ZIM) and malik ( sa t20) , kamran is back in line for sa tour. why do we have to move in circles? razak is selected again but then why was he dropped in 1 st place? and how many medium pace all rounders they tried during his omission?

i think if selectors are good and bold enough then everything will be fine.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:16 GMT)

For the life of me i cannot understand Pakistani supporters. If you take Misbah out of the equation then there is nothing left in the team but a great bowling attack. He handles his bowlers well in my opinion and is genuinely trying to win - not something one can always say about captains of the past (perhaps it is best not to name and shame). So my advice is to stop directing the vitriol towards the man whenever the team is less successful and remind yourselves where the team would be without his presence on the field marshaling the troops or scoring runs!

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 11, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

AB helping himself to another ton on a FLAT track! SA is in the lower bottom pile in ODI rankings thanks to his mediocre captaincy, but at least he is boosting his average against a toothless attack.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:14 GMT)

I think in this pak every senior wants to be captain and every youngster is afraid of losing his spot. Naser Jamshed, Umar Amin, Asad Shafiq and Umar Akmal are not new in international cricket but they are playing under Misbah. Misbah, Afridi and Hafeez all of them want captaincy. Misbah is making senseless decisions and trying to keep Afridi and Hafeez out of bowling. Afridi bats well if he is captain else throwing his wicket at crucial stages. Hafeez bowling well but making slow starts at the top or getting out early, making difficult for middle order to play freely. At the top Hafeez, in the middle Miusbah and in lower order Boom Boom are choking our batting future.

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 11, 2013, 15:12 GMT)

These FLAT pitches are killing ODI cricket. The last 5 overs went for more than 14 runs an over. Come on, does not Pakistan possess the best bowling attack in the world (as per their fans)? ICC needs to step in and stop this injustice!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

If Pakistan r to win this mstch they need a solid opening partnership and. a century.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (November 11, 2013, 15:07 GMT)

Misbah is Pakistan's Worst Captain in ODI's till date. HIs choice of bowlers in this series has baffled one and all, but still he keeps persisting with his stupid plans.

W.Riaz Played 1st 3 ODI's, WICKET LESS !!!

S.Tanvir Played all 5 ODI's, took 4 Wicks @ avg- 47.75, eco- 5.18.

Most importantly these guys played at the expense of Junaid Khan. I would have preferred to play Junaid and a specialist batsman. That would have also helped the balance of the team. Also I dont like the idea of giving the gloves to Umar Akmal, because that way you are loosing a good fielder and not getting a good Keeper. Also his batting is serioulsly effected. Having Sarfraz with the gloves would be better for the team.

Posted by 3ddy on (November 11, 2013, 15:06 GMT)

this is just ridiculous ! junaid being given ball after 25 overs , captain making worst use of him and also why is Sohail Tanvir playing? hasnt he failed like in past 4 games? and guess whos back our new pakistani cricket team Khalifa known as "Umer Amin" . good luck pakistan in chasing you will need it :)

Posted by amitdashore on (November 11, 2013, 15:05 GMT)

i really cant help but laugh at these pathetic comparisons of other players with Indian batsmen! even for this match, if SA can score 114 in last 10 overs is it not par with what India or Australia managed in the recent series? then why these tracks r not flat tracks, just bcoz someone cant score a 100 every match or teams cant get past 300? its not the difference in the tracks or opposition, but difference in the batting attitude!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

agree with khurram chudhri now days cricket is more batting game and we have just 4 batsmens secondly hafeez only bowl as a part timer y his batting is not good enough to retain his place in this team if he won't bowl full 10 overs afridi and misbah both should retire enough of them

Posted by dawoodibrahim on (November 11, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

Why not open with Afridi. He will do a better job than Hafeez. Im sure if he can stick out minimum 5 overs least there will be 30 40 runs on the board. Plus the fields in.

1. Afridi 2. Nasir 3.Ahmed 4. Akmal 5. Misbah 6. Sohaib 7. Razzaq 8. Hafeez 9. Ajmal 9. Junaid 10. Saddaf 11. Irfan

1. Nasir 2. Ahmed 3. Akmal 4. Sohaib 5. Hafeez 6. Razzaq 7. Afridi 8. Gul 9. Ajmal 10. Junaid 11. Irfan

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

I haven't seen the innings yet but I can tell junaid was called laye in the bowling

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:57 GMT)

@masrur: good 1 bro. :) i am sure he can if he show half of the talent which some board officials and some media people are saying about him. :) :)

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:55 GMT)

honestly misbah does not know how to use his bowlers. playing with irfan nd junaid he gives the new ball to tanvir. fair 3nough if tamvir gets the new ball. he can bowl 3-4 overs then ur first change should be junaid. bowling in the 9th over while irfan can bowl a spell of 6 overs. ajmal shud come in 13th over. junaid to be removed in 19th and then mixing it with afridi hafeez and ajmal till the 42nd over and bringing irfan in the powerplay. idk what was going through misbahs head

Posted by dawoodibrahim on (November 11, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

oh ho where do we start.

Poor captaincy - Misbah has to leave odi, no cricketing sense. Why leave out Junaid for last and why not open the bowling with him. Sohail tanvir is poor, he has never proven to be a good bowler. He is always expensive. Why not bring in Saddaf Hussein who has an excellent first class career. Hafeez, Amin, Shafiq, Misbah, Wahab and Tanvir has to go for the sake of Pakistan cricket. I am sorry but Misbah is not an attacking cricketer. He always plays safe. Look at an india even when they lose quick wickets they still get ahead of the run rate, they make sure the bowlers are unsettled with attacking batsman. Dav Whatmore has done no justice for Pakistan, just as bad as the Waqar Younis who was the start of this problem. Bring back Mohsin Khan and drop all the rubbish playes. Pay them salaries based on there performances. Will teach them all a lesson. Pakistan is a good 5 years behind India. This is all coming from a pakistan fan!!!

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

Sa played really well. they improved in each game and some 1 took responsibility in each game for them and finished things for them. ABD and Faf calmed the nerves and then super AB made it count in the end. that is why he is the best batsman.

Posted by 2nd_Slip on (November 11, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

I have been saying this since after the first test, SA please drop Faf he looks completely out of sorts.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:52 GMT)

For God sake, please remove Misbah from ODI captaincy and Watmore from coaching. Please introduce players, who are showing their good form in domestic, no mater how much older or younger they are.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:49 GMT)

No worries folks, Umar Amin will score a double hundred, and Pakistan will win the match :/

Posted by ssiddiqi on (November 11, 2013, 14:48 GMT)

Bad captaincy from Misbah. Why he did not allow Hafeez to bowl? Each fast bowler gave more than 55 runs in their overs. Misbah can be good batsman but he can not be GOOD CAPTAIN. Must change Misbah if Pakistan wants to win One day matches. Pakistan need aggressive captain.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:47 GMT)

So predictable bowling in the last 10 overs by pakistan ( overs 40-50) , everything aimed at stumps or a bouncer? There's something called bowling close to the wide line away from the wickets, this was poor sorry and with 268 you need to open with afridi & shehzad and forget your old strategy's; build your innings on strength and not on defence! as you will never be able to do bashing in last overs like SA did to you as it was pure negligence from pakistan bowling side and not special superman capabilities of the SA side in last 10 overs. Most important now will be the running between the wickets and placing the ball beautifully on different sides of the ground to take singles,doubles and any loose ball should be 4's its about showing your class now that you want to win and thats why your playing there so give your all and even if you loose cric fans will still support you :)

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:43 GMT)

willbe hard to chase for pakistan. it is a slow pitch and boundaries are hard to score. proper cricketing shots requirednot slogs. poor effort from pak bowlers in the end overs. ajmal, junaid, irfan and sohail all were poor in last 10 overs. 114 in last 10 overs is too much. even ajmal and junaid were poor. target is again in same region 3 rd time in row. some hard decisions should be made from selectors. not only captaincy but all not performing should be decided.

a weak batting team can not afford to go with 6 bolwers including 2 all rounders who were suppose to be batting all rounders but performing with ball only. hafeez and afridi both can not be selected in same game for bowling only . they need genuine medium fast batting all rounders. team goes with6 bowlers who can bowl 10 overs but cant batt. and 2 of remaining 5 (umars) not in good form.

Posted by wanatawu on (November 11, 2013, 14:42 GMT)

Brilliant century by AB and 25 from the last over of Tanvir.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

Its tine to turn off the TV because we all know what's going to happen. Pakistan will collapse yet again and misbah and his tuk tuk menace will not leave Pakistan.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

Master inning by AB ,,, Misbah shud learn a lesson how to pace an inning. He grind himself with low run rate but when the time came he accelerated. Now that's how u play a captains innings and that's how you pace an inning in the middle. Pathetic performance by Pakistan yet again. They look clueless, this pak team hve no inspiration, there's no leader. If Misbah hve any ounce of shame he should retire himself. He always look for some excuse and put a blame on someone else after every loss. Haven't we had enough yet of Misbah ? Humiliation in South Africa, pathetic display in champions trophy, performances against Ireland and Zimbabwe and now this. How long you want to stick with this guy. He's not a captain to lead. He needs to be out.

Posted by Albert_cambell on (November 11, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

Kohli is nothing infront of AB. Despite of AB making his debut in 2005 he only managed to play 152 ODIs. On the other hand Flat track bully like Kohli got to 120 odd ODIs in 5 years.

Posted by Haleos on (November 11, 2013, 14:36 GMT)

SA should have declared after 200. Nowadays thats a winning total against Pak.

Posted by ICCexpert.... on (November 11, 2013, 14:32 GMT)

Very poor captaincy. Its about time Misbah is removed as ODI captain if he fails to win this match."

Posted by LionsofLanka on (November 11, 2013, 14:30 GMT)

If wicket is very slow wicket & if run scoring is extremely difficult, then how did SA batsmen managed to consecutive 3 or 4 boundaries in an over? Even Saeed Ajmal is not spared. Scholars in bowling department are feeling heat in familiar conditions. What will happen against Lions in next month? Fans shouting for more excuses as Pak is pretty sure about unreachable target. Any way one win out of 5 is not bad for this team.

Posted by ICCexpert.... on (November 11, 2013, 14:30 GMT)

Huge dissapointing captincy..why he kept junaid till 25ov....and why he kept hafeez out after taking duminy wkt...poor captiancy really.

Posted by likeintcricket on (November 11, 2013, 14:19 GMT)

Despite reservation regarding Pak batting, I think it is time for ICC to think about settling the toss issue. Toss plays a great importance in a game like cricket and it gives un neccessary advantage to one side. I think it should be reciprocal and if one side wins the toss in first game, the next game choice should be given to the other side. We all know that Pakistan is bad in chasing but they are very good in defending a total. If Pakistan could have won 4 tosses, We might have been taliking about SA batting failures. Pakistan could have won the first and 4th game easily. Since their is no pressure on batsman, these SA batsman will ultimately end up scoring 250+.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

this is very slow wicket. run scoring will be extremely difficult. ahmed will be key as he is inform and he can play slow like 1 st and 2nd game. chasing will not be easy for pakistan. boundaries are hard to come.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

looks SA will score around 240 which is beyond reach of dull Batting line of Pakistan. so the series end of 4/1 in favour SA.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 13:32 GMT)

Misbah may be the best batsman in Pakistan but he is a senseless captain. It's not the rocket science to learn that we need to strengthen our batting not bowling but I don't know why Misbah plays with 6 bowlers and long tail. I think Asad Shafiq should be playing in place of Sohail Tanvir as Umar Amin and Sohaib Maqsood are more than handy part timers.

Posted by mzm149 on (November 11, 2013, 12:49 GMT)

Hopefully days for Misbah as a captain in ODI cricket are limited. With such poor selection and captaincy no sensible person should be willing to see him captain the side for long.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

I am pretty sure if SA manages to reach a score of at least 200, Pakistan wont be able to chase down that total. Batting performance of Pakistan is just hopeless. Sometimes i don't understand why i watch Pakistan matches anymore when i know either they will lose or even if by any chance they win, the reason must be that the other team didn't play well. God Bless Pakistan and God gives little shame to these money lovers.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 11:53 GMT)

Fawad Alam has List A domestic average of 44 and first class 56 and t20 27 compared to Umar amin first class 38 and List A 31 and t20 26. So in every format he's average's are better at domestic level then Umar Amin, the figures are self-explanatory whom should be given priority.

Posted by ICCexpert.... on (November 11, 2013, 11:52 GMT)

For South Africa series its time to drop Hafeez, Afridi, Umar Amin, Tanvir, Asad Shafiq and Wahab. Select Sharjeel Khan, Harris Sohail, Hammad Azam, Raza Hassa, M. Talha and Ahmad Jamal.

Posted by laho111 on (November 11, 2013, 11:25 GMT)

Again amin and akmal why?? Where is asad and serfaraz? How many chances they will give to amin and akmal. why didnt give chance to Abdul rehman instead of sohail tanveer???

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 11:06 GMT)

With razzak coming in , i think sohail and wahab's role as forced all rounders will also be finished for some time now.

Posted by   on (November 11, 2013, 11:01 GMT)

Asad or amin , it doesnt matter but it should settle claims that Asad is good odi batsman. And umar amin is the best talent available in domestic circuit for at least couple of domestic seasons. Can be selected after couple of good domestic seasons.

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