Pakistan news November 21, 2008

Miandad questions rationale of ICL ban

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Case against Yousuf put on hold
  • In a further indicator of a shift in the PCB's thinking on the ICL, the legal case it developed against Mohammad Yousuf, the latest Pakistan player to join the ICL, has been put on hold.
  • Yousuf joined the Lahore Badshahs earlier this month, without having told the PCB about his decision. The board responded by tearing up his central contract; they also initiated legal proceedings against him for breach of contract and to claim legal costs the PCB incurred while trying to resolve the earlier mess Yousuf had created by signing for the ICL before turning his back on them in the hope of an IPL contract.
  • "We've put the case on hold for now," a board official told Cricinfo. "The thinking is that if we pursue the case against Yousuf, then what about the other Pakistan players in the ICL who had contracts with us?"
  • A number of players, such as Imran Farhat, Abdul Razzaq and Mohammad Sami had central contracts with the board before they signed up for the ICL in September 2007.
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Javed Miandad, the former Pakistan captain and newly appointed director-general of the PCB, has joined a steadily growing chorus of concern against the ban on ICL players and the marginalisation of the unrecognised Twenty20 league. Miandad believes there is immense "public pressure" on the PCB to bring ICL players back into the Pakistan fold and "past decisions by past [PCB] administrations" have "nothing to do with the new set-up".

The PCB banned all players contracted by the ICL but Miandad said it's a policy the new board administration must reconsider, keeping in mind the "best interests" of Pakistan cricket.

Pakistan has suffered badly from the ban on ICL players imposed by boards around the world, essentially to back the BCCI in its dispute with the league and its owners. As many as 19 Pakistan players - a mix of current and former internationals - are currently appearing in the ICL and the bans on them have severely depleted Pakistan's reserves.

"There is a lot of public pressure on the PCB to bring these players back from the ICL," Miandad told Cricinfo. "The [ICL] players themselves are ready to represent Pakistan. The IPL, the ICL and all boards need to sit down and really sort this issue out," Miandad said, joining former captains-turned-administrators Arjuna Ranatunga and Clive Lloyd in expressing the need for a resolution to the issue.

Miandad's comments do not yet indicate a wholesale change in the board's policy on the issue. The previous PCB administration, under the chairmanship of Nasim Ashraf, banned players readily, in swift appeasement of the BCCI. But it is believed the current board is open to rethinking, or at least questioning, the stance.

"Past decisions were taken by past administrations," Miandad said. "They have nothing to do with this new set-up. It is something we must look at and discuss, and find out whether that policy [of the ban] had any benefit to it. We have to look at our best interests."

Miandad placed the current bans in the context of past actions, such as the bans on players who traveled to apartheid-era South Africa. "Those bans were based on an intelligent policy. What was happening there was abhorrent. What is the intent behind this ban?"

Ultimately, this is not an issue of nations but of cricket itself, Miandad said. "Even Indian players are suffering. It isn't just Pakistan players. This is a loss for cricket and cricketers and a resolution has to be brought in, in a respectful way."

With a number of ex-cricketers now in prominent positions in the board, the matter has been discussed informally inside, though it has yet to be done so as part of an official agenda. Statements, such as those given by Miandad, might be part of a new strategy to shake up the BCCI-enforced status quo.

But Miandad's employers are keen to examine the issue pragmatically as well, which means essentially they will be guided by a number of legal considerations. "The ICL is still not recognised by the ICC but the ICC believes that if the matter goes to litigation, they are not too optimistic about the case," an official said. "It is about restraint of trade essentially. And what is happening in Sri Lanka where domestic bans have been lifted and in the UK through the Kolpak ruling, that will also have an effect. If you can have one private Twenty20 league why not two?

"We will wait and see and be guided by our legal advice for our view on the matter but these factors will play a role."

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

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  • Abhimanyu on November 24, 2008, 17:43 GMT

    This is ridiculous, why is BCCI forcing other boards to ban their player ? Hello !! BCCI does not run cricket in other countries, but it sure looks like they are doing it at the moment. What is the purpose of other cricket boards like PCB and ICC ? If BCCI is going to run cricket in every country that there is no need for others cricketing boards and even ICC. Other boards need to understand that they are the ones who are suffering from banning players. BCCI is run by bunch of uneducated politicians, who themselves do not understand that they will not lose anything from allowing ICL to do what they are already doing. ICL can never hurt Indian cricket or even IPL. If BCCI drop their policy of banning players than it will benefit every board including BCCI and all players will be happy as ever. Because of less public interest in ICL, it will always stay below IPL, who always fill their grounds and have a lot better TRP than ICL. So there is no way that ICL is hurting BCCI anyway ...

  • pk23 on November 24, 2008, 14:24 GMT

    i agree with miandad. Every player has the right to play cricket for their country. the significant difference of playing for ICL and going on a rebel tour must be understood by everyone. we must not let BCCI decide, i hop the icc will act fast to make sure icl players are given a chance to represent their country. If they dont make that decision it is obvious who is running world cricket BCCI or the ICC.

  • SHANTIRATNAM on November 24, 2008, 7:25 GMT

    I Keep saying that both IPL AND ICL are domestic events in India and both should not rule the international game. Its a shame that ICC has not yet taken this simple decision. What has India's captain, employed by BCCI has said, "Country before Franchise" this apply to other nations as well, other countires cannot suffer losing cricket matches to India by playing second string players because of BCCI'S ban on ICL players. BCCI can afford to ban players because they have the money to retain their best players not joining ICL, but other countires cannot afford this and other countires cannot suffer because they don't have the money as much as BCCI. Both IPL & ICL should be banned by ICC until a decision has been taken by the ICC regading the confilct between ICL & IPL. How can one be legal and other not when the ICC is yet to take a decision on ICL's request for recognition. How would BCCI react if Dhoni joins ICL?

  • redneck on November 24, 2008, 5:01 GMT

    good on Miandad for showing the PCB has some spine once again!!! its all good for the BCCI to ban the ICL in order to protect its money making 20/20 league the IPL. but the problem is its not a internal problem its not just effecting india its effecting pakistan, sri lanka & bangledesh & to some extent new zealand and south africa. these nation's boards do not make any money out of the IPL unlike the BCCI and therefor are loosing quality players for nothing but to protect another nations board's revenue! how has banning Razzak, Sami etc helped pakistan cricket? simply it hasnt!!! i for one hope pakistan lift the ban so they can have their best possible 11 on the field and i hope india dont cancel their tour to pakistan because of it!!! after all that pakistan cricket and it's supporters have gone through, they deserve to be able to see their best team playing and on home soil too!

  • RoyalKing5 on November 24, 2008, 4:58 GMT

    I agree with miandad that ICL players should back in Pakistan team because Pakistan team has a problem in opening and our best openers " Imran Nazir " & " Imran Farhat " playing ICL if they will beck in Pakistan team then Pakistani team get a strong opening pair & our best great all-rounder " Abdul Razzaq " ," Azhar Mahmood " & " Rana Navid " are playing ICL and also our best batsman " Mohammad Yousaf " also join the ICL.

    I requested PCB please take back the ban form ICL players

  • Mustafa0801 on November 23, 2008, 11:16 GMT

    Here i support Miandan cos here the performance of LahoreBadshas was really good, My dream team for Pakistan is like inclusion of few member's like AbdulRazzak,ImranNazir,ImranFarhat,NavidRana & AzharMahmood cos they where fabilous in the ICL.

  • voyager on November 23, 2008, 2:56 GMT

    Finally we have someone with spine, incharge in pakistan

  • DAN22 on November 22, 2008, 11:37 GMT

    I dont agree with the ones who say that BCCI takes care of Indian cricket interests and ICL is all about making money. In fact ICL had bet, probably unwisely, to sink in large sums of money into a concept that will work only if TRP's come in. Whereas BCCI wandered into IPL only when forced by ICL. And today they make it sound as if its their brainchild. And the state of our domestic cricket is not something to be proud about. And did you see the crowd turnout at the blue riband test matches between India and Australia. At best BCCI can be compared to the Public sector companies who made money but moved at the speed of a snail. Look at the way telephony or internet has changed after private players were allowed. The success of IPL is not Lalit Modi's alone. Subhash Chandra showed it can be done and that toowith his hand tied behind his back.

    How exciting Champions league would have been if it had names like Lahore Badshah's and Hyderabad Heroes playing?

  • abdullah09 on November 22, 2008, 10:47 GMT

    as mentioned by miandad that there is a lot of pressure from public and local media to pick players from icl and add them to the national squad i think it would be good ithe interest of Pakistan team.

  • Raft on November 22, 2008, 7:49 GMT

    Well it is always nice to have more cricket, ICL should be just a one off tournament and take permission from BCCI (as sole custodian for developing cricket in India), BCCI can charge some amount to ICL for letting it have the tournament, since, BCCI is the one who spends money onto grounds in India, officials, Umpires, Under age group cricket, Ranji's etc and also pay domestic players.

    This is because, ICL will be using popular cricketers who have come through respective country boards grassroot levels. I doubt the motives of tournaments of ICL's nature as i can remember, ICL was started after the denial of telecast rights to ZEE. Today it is Zee, tomorrow any corporate house with money can do the same. Also, remember the respective country boards have to squeeze in the cricket calender also.

  • Abhimanyu on November 24, 2008, 17:43 GMT

    This is ridiculous, why is BCCI forcing other boards to ban their player ? Hello !! BCCI does not run cricket in other countries, but it sure looks like they are doing it at the moment. What is the purpose of other cricket boards like PCB and ICC ? If BCCI is going to run cricket in every country that there is no need for others cricketing boards and even ICC. Other boards need to understand that they are the ones who are suffering from banning players. BCCI is run by bunch of uneducated politicians, who themselves do not understand that they will not lose anything from allowing ICL to do what they are already doing. ICL can never hurt Indian cricket or even IPL. If BCCI drop their policy of banning players than it will benefit every board including BCCI and all players will be happy as ever. Because of less public interest in ICL, it will always stay below IPL, who always fill their grounds and have a lot better TRP than ICL. So there is no way that ICL is hurting BCCI anyway ...

  • pk23 on November 24, 2008, 14:24 GMT

    i agree with miandad. Every player has the right to play cricket for their country. the significant difference of playing for ICL and going on a rebel tour must be understood by everyone. we must not let BCCI decide, i hop the icc will act fast to make sure icl players are given a chance to represent their country. If they dont make that decision it is obvious who is running world cricket BCCI or the ICC.

  • SHANTIRATNAM on November 24, 2008, 7:25 GMT

    I Keep saying that both IPL AND ICL are domestic events in India and both should not rule the international game. Its a shame that ICC has not yet taken this simple decision. What has India's captain, employed by BCCI has said, "Country before Franchise" this apply to other nations as well, other countires cannot suffer losing cricket matches to India by playing second string players because of BCCI'S ban on ICL players. BCCI can afford to ban players because they have the money to retain their best players not joining ICL, but other countires cannot afford this and other countires cannot suffer because they don't have the money as much as BCCI. Both IPL & ICL should be banned by ICC until a decision has been taken by the ICC regading the confilct between ICL & IPL. How can one be legal and other not when the ICC is yet to take a decision on ICL's request for recognition. How would BCCI react if Dhoni joins ICL?

  • redneck on November 24, 2008, 5:01 GMT

    good on Miandad for showing the PCB has some spine once again!!! its all good for the BCCI to ban the ICL in order to protect its money making 20/20 league the IPL. but the problem is its not a internal problem its not just effecting india its effecting pakistan, sri lanka & bangledesh & to some extent new zealand and south africa. these nation's boards do not make any money out of the IPL unlike the BCCI and therefor are loosing quality players for nothing but to protect another nations board's revenue! how has banning Razzak, Sami etc helped pakistan cricket? simply it hasnt!!! i for one hope pakistan lift the ban so they can have their best possible 11 on the field and i hope india dont cancel their tour to pakistan because of it!!! after all that pakistan cricket and it's supporters have gone through, they deserve to be able to see their best team playing and on home soil too!

  • RoyalKing5 on November 24, 2008, 4:58 GMT

    I agree with miandad that ICL players should back in Pakistan team because Pakistan team has a problem in opening and our best openers " Imran Nazir " & " Imran Farhat " playing ICL if they will beck in Pakistan team then Pakistani team get a strong opening pair & our best great all-rounder " Abdul Razzaq " ," Azhar Mahmood " & " Rana Navid " are playing ICL and also our best batsman " Mohammad Yousaf " also join the ICL.

    I requested PCB please take back the ban form ICL players

  • Mustafa0801 on November 23, 2008, 11:16 GMT

    Here i support Miandan cos here the performance of LahoreBadshas was really good, My dream team for Pakistan is like inclusion of few member's like AbdulRazzak,ImranNazir,ImranFarhat,NavidRana & AzharMahmood cos they where fabilous in the ICL.

  • voyager on November 23, 2008, 2:56 GMT

    Finally we have someone with spine, incharge in pakistan

  • DAN22 on November 22, 2008, 11:37 GMT

    I dont agree with the ones who say that BCCI takes care of Indian cricket interests and ICL is all about making money. In fact ICL had bet, probably unwisely, to sink in large sums of money into a concept that will work only if TRP's come in. Whereas BCCI wandered into IPL only when forced by ICL. And today they make it sound as if its their brainchild. And the state of our domestic cricket is not something to be proud about. And did you see the crowd turnout at the blue riband test matches between India and Australia. At best BCCI can be compared to the Public sector companies who made money but moved at the speed of a snail. Look at the way telephony or internet has changed after private players were allowed. The success of IPL is not Lalit Modi's alone. Subhash Chandra showed it can be done and that toowith his hand tied behind his back.

    How exciting Champions league would have been if it had names like Lahore Badshah's and Hyderabad Heroes playing?

  • abdullah09 on November 22, 2008, 10:47 GMT

    as mentioned by miandad that there is a lot of pressure from public and local media to pick players from icl and add them to the national squad i think it would be good ithe interest of Pakistan team.

  • Raft on November 22, 2008, 7:49 GMT

    Well it is always nice to have more cricket, ICL should be just a one off tournament and take permission from BCCI (as sole custodian for developing cricket in India), BCCI can charge some amount to ICL for letting it have the tournament, since, BCCI is the one who spends money onto grounds in India, officials, Umpires, Under age group cricket, Ranji's etc and also pay domestic players.

    This is because, ICL will be using popular cricketers who have come through respective country boards grassroot levels. I doubt the motives of tournaments of ICL's nature as i can remember, ICL was started after the denial of telecast rights to ZEE. Today it is Zee, tomorrow any corporate house with money can do the same. Also, remember the respective country boards have to squeeze in the cricket calender also.

  • AhmadPesnani on November 22, 2008, 7:41 GMT

    I think its all about management. The previous regime was just dictated by BCCI to their needs. I believe this is the time when PCB should convert its threat of players going to ICL into opportunity by inviting ICL to invest in Pakistan cricket and holding of ICL tournament in collabaration with PCB in Pakistan apart from holding 20/20 tournament in India. This would not only set an example to other countries as a NO Threat nation for terrorist attacks but would also bring in revenues to the PCB which are getting tough times these days generating revenues from their activities.

  • AFRIDI450 on November 22, 2008, 7:09 GMT

    being honest i luv ICL nd IPL nd i really want da players 2 play 4 their country. we cant waste people like mohammad yousuf, abdul razzaq, saqlain mushtaq, shane bond and some of da young indians lyk ali murtaza, but if we thibk about it, it's ICL's fault aswell. BCCI is legally rite and is doing da rite thing but i hope dey unite 2gether, have meeting nd compromise

  • KashifCh on November 22, 2008, 7:01 GMT

    First of all Pakistan should look which players form a winning and strong combination of team. In bowling I will recommend M Asif, Shoaib Akhtar, Muhammad Sami, Sohail Tanweer and for the batting lineup, Muhammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Salman Butt, Imran Nazir, Kamran Akmal and one more specialist batsman of Yousaf or Younis's caliber is a combination which can be relied on. I don't know why Shoaib Malik has been appointed as captain as he is neither a specialist bowler nor a batsman. It is a good sign that now management of PCB is going into the hands of cricketers who can hunt the real cricketing talent of Pakistan.

  • hank on November 22, 2008, 6:51 GMT

    It is good to see Miandad thinking is very positive for cricket and its banned players,however I personally feel with all the legal agreements and so forth between players and ICL and IPL is much more complicated then one would think,from what I remember the incident between Mohammed Yousef of Pakistan and ICL contract,which one still wonders how after signinig the contract with ICL, he still played for Pakistan and not for ICL ,but now he went back to ICL,as if nothing happen and guess what ICL still took him back,I think so called banned players are really not in much better form than the existing Pakistani squad,no disrespect to the former players who are playing in ICL ,remember even you and I can be on the field for 20 overs and look half decent, we are talking about 50 overs and so on you need to be in great shape to perform, like I always have thought that Shoaib Akhter is now only good for 20/20 cricket only ,but we still feel he needs to be with team forever,

  • ajaydesai on November 22, 2008, 6:15 GMT

    BCCI is trying to create monopoly and does not want ICL to exist as it knows it will lose its market share. This is not good for cricket in India.It was ICL who first launched the league.BCCI office bearers who are part of political parties are just like CEOs who brought global economic crisis.BCCI should not force their rules on other cricketing nations, as in future they will be no where

  • WildAmigo on November 22, 2008, 5:02 GMT

    As I was feared those days are near that only Cricket Leagues exist just like it happens to Football where people like to watch leagues rather than the international matches. Same will happen to Cricket there will be only 3 teams left for playing test matches Australia, England and India. Pakistan have security and contoversies issues, West Indies lost its golden times, South Africa is not the powerful source it used to be in Cronje Era, Srilanka haven't got sting in their benches, Newzealand are good but part timers, Bangladesh is learning to play cricket in International Arena and Zimbabwe have learn new ways to lose. I was a big fan of South Africa and Newzealand cricket teams besides Pakistan but they let me down with their performances there is no more flare in these squads. May be its time to think about you want Leagues or International cricket.

  • irshee on November 22, 2008, 3:29 GMT

    Ban on ICL players is totally unethical. I, think lahore badshahs players are far better than current pakistan team.pakistan are in desperate need of players like imran nazir, mohammad yousuf. abdul razzak and rana.I hope Miandad will help the pakistan cricket by lifting ban on these crucil players.

  • ExCric on November 22, 2008, 3:14 GMT

    Why don't SL and Pakistan set up their own 20/20 leagues, they have a cricket crazy population too. Maybe the BCCI should finance rebel leagues in these countries, lets see how accomodating they are then. In fact lets see how accommodating CA or the ECB would be if rebel leagues were set up in their country. How can it be allright to take money from the BCCI with one hand and hold an upright judgemental index finger with the other. Besides if the BCCI folds up, then the SL and PCB and infact even India would go back to their scavenging days in the eighties with the powerful ECB and CA. In fact while the ECB and CA have a knack for playing victim, what we have today is an actual balance. BCCI has a healthy amount of money, ECB has the clout to take the game to more countries and CA has the right athletic mix of cricketers to take the game to a higher level. Sorry, but PCB, SL board and the windies board would only count in decision making when they posses 1 of 3 above qualities or all 3

  • m.bhatia on November 22, 2008, 2:41 GMT

    BCCI should be firm with its stand. If Pakistan is struggling with its Cricket, they have to blame themselves for it. You appoint someone as a coach, and later he is not allowed to take his own decisions. You dont trust a young captain either and when things are not going your way, you want to bring back the neglected cricketers. I was a big fan of players like Klusener, Astle etc. But I have no sympathy for them now. Everyday day he read so many quotes where players say " Playing for country comes first". I fail to understand, how does it change when X Y Z league offers them loads of money. To recognize ICL or not, should be BCCI's decision. If some countries cannot treat their players well, or if players feel this way, its the responsibility of the respective board to sort out this matter.

  • satyasainvs on November 22, 2008, 2:29 GMT

    He is right, Miandad comments are speaking out correct infact. everyone knows BCCI was the only one opposes T20 initially. now why focussing more on T20's because it is making hell a lot of money. If you see last year ICL matches not much people watch on ground. But this year ICL matches you can see how they get populated and almost fill the stadium each match. If people accepted ICL why don't BCCI can't accept? I feel like LLyod and Miandad ex-Indian players should support and encourage of young Indian players who are playing in ICL.

  • yakuza003 on November 22, 2008, 0:03 GMT

    Pakistan Cricket Board should bring back Imran Nazir and Imran Farhat, also Abdul Razzaq, they need these good hiters, without them Pakistan cricket team is not fully strong !!!

    Inshalla when these players will mix up with shahid afridi and kamran akmal, Pakistan team will be best team in the world !

  • ragomsk on November 21, 2008, 22:55 GMT

    There is an easy, face and ego saving way out for the BCCI. All they have to do is to set up a National 20/20 World Series along the lines of the American baseball format where the winner of the IPL and the ICL pla off for a prize. After all if there is a 20/20 championship internationally why not one for the country.

  • Sajith_Sivanandan on November 21, 2008, 22:33 GMT

    It took the steel that Javed Miandad has always been famous for to articulate what the rest of the cricket world, except the BCCI and its functionaries, feel. The restraint of opportunities as seen in the ICL vs. IPL saga is remarkable in this day and age. Let commerce, economics and entertainment win. Let the players choose to play where they want, let the advertisers pay to advertise where they want and above all, let the cricket loving public decide what and whom they want to watch. I sincerely hope that the PCB will recognise players who play in the ICL. After all why should BCCI determine who gets selected to play for Pakistan, England or any other country for that matter?

  • JackJ on November 21, 2008, 21:36 GMT

    The ban on ICL players is unfair and absurd! It benefits only the coffers of the BCCI and their cronies. Obviously the law in India allows the existence of more than one cricket organising body, as it should. BCCI cannot have a monopoly on cricket. It should be sued under anti-trust laws! The involvement of the ICC is ludicrous. This is a domestic Indian matter. Only the presence of too many Indians in the ICC has brought this about. Its a disgrace that other countries have been coerced into banning ICL players. But there is light on the horizon. Pakistan is unbanning them, England is compelled to owing to labour legislation. The rest of the countries must now put concerted pressure on the ICC to drop the bans completely. Let India sort out their own mess.

  • nazishrahman on November 21, 2008, 19:30 GMT

    I really dont agree with Miadad as the BCCI is right to ban the players to play in the rebel league. How can one have two cricket bodies operating in one field. The BCCI is the sole custodian of cricket in India and its only them who can operate as they are the ones who are the gaurdian of Indian Cricket they take care of cricket from the grassroots level. ICL just is looking at its own purpose. They are not for the game its just that they had an issue with the BCCI relating to telecast rights that in order to show their prestige and personal motive they are having this league. If ICL is really for the benifit of cricket then why only do they have T20 cricket and no other forms of cricket. They should have under 19,13 and first class cricket. The fact of the matter is that BCCI is the only body in India that is concern about the game. PCB has lost most of its players not because of this ICL its because of their policies and bad treatment with the players and political situation.

  • abhimenon on November 21, 2008, 18:23 GMT

    BCCI is being a bully about this issue and its hurting cricket. We are missing out on great talent like Mohammad Yousuf and Shane Bond. Its a shame!

  • KrickFan on November 21, 2008, 16:32 GMT

    I deeply sympathise for players playing ICL. All they are doing is playing cricket, is that wrong?. Let me ask the BCCI guys, to touch their heart and honestly tell us, will they not accept offer from another company who pay them more and let them do what they like?. Banning ICL is absolute rubbish. Hope BCCI get this and change their stands, if not I would luv to see other boards revert their decisions. As a fan I like IPL & ICL.

  • Patrick_Clarke on November 21, 2008, 16:25 GMT

    As I've said for many months, the BCCI are the real enemy in this matter, and the rest of the world needs to unite before top cricket is based solely in India. New Zealand, Pakistan and Bangladesh cricket are in turmoil with leading players banned at the behest of BCCI for accepting private contracts with the ICL, and test series in England against New Zealand and Sri Lanka being devalued by top players such as Bond being banned or others choosing to play IPL ahead of international commitments such as Sangakara and Muralitharan. At last former leading captains such as Clive Lloyd, Arjuna Ranatunga and Javed Miandad have spoken out against these policies of banning players who have exercised their entitlement to sign legal contracts - as far as I know ICL is not an illegal organisation. Other boards such as the ECB and Cricket Australia need to take note and stop grovelling before the BCCI. There's plenty of other money in World Cricket, eg Sky Sports, Zee TV, Stanford, Ashes Tests etc

  • rishikapoor007 on November 21, 2008, 16:24 GMT

    I have a different view on this. Though i am not completely in support of the ban on players, yet i just cannot imagine the existence of ICL. The riches earned by BCCI through IPL is invested for the development of Cricket in India and elsewhere(loan to Srilanka cricket board, a hypocrite who turned agianst the BCCI) whereas whatever the ICL earns will go into the huge coffers of Mr. Subhas Chandra and none of it will be invested for the betterment of game. Whatever they are doing at present is because BCCI does not let them use their facilities otherwise they would just pack the money and let cricket in India rot.

  • vedichitesh on November 21, 2008, 16:23 GMT

    Miandad is right….. BCCI is a shameless body and was sleeping till ICL was launched. BCCI was not innovative enough to come out with something like ICL. ICL was and is a great idea which woke BCCI and therefore BCCI launched IPL. What is the difference between IPL and ICL both are doing same work. BCCI may do what they want but other boards should not be bullied by BCCI and they should not ban ICL players. It's really sad why ICC is quiet….. They can just recognize ICL as a good tournament or at least recognize the players.

  • chaudhry_saad on November 21, 2008, 15:35 GMT

    The best batsman Javed Minadad is right. the ban on the ICL should be lifted. Let's have a game between the Badshahs and Pakistan. If Badshahs win the ban should be lifted. I think that Pakistan needs those ICL players to represent the country.

  • Munsta101 on November 21, 2008, 15:30 GMT

    Miandad is talking sense. The ban on ICL players at International level is just reducing the overall quality of cricket worldwide. The BCCI are greedy and need to be taken down a peg or two by other international boards. I just hope they can follow Miandad's lead and grow some balls. Especially Justin Vaughan and the NZ board.

  • ArunIsHere on November 21, 2008, 14:56 GMT

    "If you can have one private Twenty20 league why not two?" bang on. BCCI's attitude towards has to be contained. Since India is bigger country of all, there is always you can find talent, but for all other countries there is going to have problem. Look at the case of Shane Bond, do NZ need to suffer just because BCCI has money power?

  • Thomas_Ratnam on November 21, 2008, 14:36 GMT

    The great Javed Miandad is spot on. There needs to be a dialogue. There must be something fishy. Vested interests obviously play a part. The BCCI behave like big, rich bullies in the world of cricket. It is run by a group of non sporting businessmen and that's quite evident in their attitudes. They question umpires' and referees' decisions that go against their players, protect the IPL as if it's some unique sacred place and after helping Bangladesh into the test fold is the only country not to invite them for a series yet! It's time we all woke up and started talking. All the leading sports persons like Lloyd, Miandad and Ranatunga have spoken. It is quite obvious that the reputations and intentions of the entire Indian subcontinent is at stake and cricket itself may be in danger if left to the designs of these arrogant, immature and unsporting administrators

  • SanjivSanjiv on November 21, 2008, 14:15 GMT

    There is a need to resolve this issue sooner than later. The affected or all boards should sit together with ICC and discuss with BCCI. It may be unpalatable to the Indian Board but it is not good for the health of cricket around the world. ICC and all the boards of the different countries have a duty of care towards its players and enrich the game. Sanjiv Gupta Perth Australia.

  • Harry on November 21, 2008, 14:08 GMT

    Its time the IPL and BCCI sit together and discuss the situation before the volcano errupts. All the other boards have started raising voices against the ban. As more and more ex-cricketers get into various positions in their boards - more voices will be raised. Because it is them who understand the game and importance of players rather than some guy with excellent managerial skills. Such guys just try to make the best out of the market and bring in huge profits - they care a dam for the public and cricket.I appreciate Modi for the way he planned IPL. But ignoring ICL has gone too far and not accepted. Power comes with money but you get respected only when you respect others. We all have studied history and seen what happened to shrewd dictators. Dont want IPL/BCCI to take that road. My advice to IPL is accept ICL quickly or you will soon be forced to accept them. - Hari

  • TwitterJitter on November 21, 2008, 13:59 GMT

    Great! Now BCCI should cancel their tour of Pakistan and let Lahore Badshahs play Pakistani XI T20 all year long. The one mistake BCCI is doing is thinking that they can somehow manage SL or Pakistan. BCCI should focus on developing IPL into a 8 month event for all its clubs with a good mix of T20, one day, and test games. It is time to show middle finger to all these boards. If ICL can attract international players at the expense of getting banned, then surely IPL can. They need to request their franchises to release one bench player from each team for ICC events and FTP tours and focus exclusively on promoting IPL. It is time BCCI focuses exclusively about promoting IPL and increasing their revenues and stop caring about ICC and how to maintain allies at ICC. If this is done, I can see IPL as a 8-9 billion dollar club on a 10-year basis. Who cares what ICC thinks? It can't stop IPL from buying off players. Look, ICL did it. IPL has richer franchise owners.

  • andy61 on November 21, 2008, 13:23 GMT

    Miandad's comments need to be taken on board and a resolution found to the current impass between the BCCI and the ICL. These players have done nothing wrong and are only trying to earn a living. Time will probably bring the merger of the IPL and ICL anyway so let it be done sooner rather than later and lets get the banned players, playing again.Kerry Packer ultimately brought positive change to the game and so hopefully will this. And then we need to get the international calender sorted!

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  • andy61 on November 21, 2008, 13:23 GMT

    Miandad's comments need to be taken on board and a resolution found to the current impass between the BCCI and the ICL. These players have done nothing wrong and are only trying to earn a living. Time will probably bring the merger of the IPL and ICL anyway so let it be done sooner rather than later and lets get the banned players, playing again.Kerry Packer ultimately brought positive change to the game and so hopefully will this. And then we need to get the international calender sorted!

  • TwitterJitter on November 21, 2008, 13:59 GMT

    Great! Now BCCI should cancel their tour of Pakistan and let Lahore Badshahs play Pakistani XI T20 all year long. The one mistake BCCI is doing is thinking that they can somehow manage SL or Pakistan. BCCI should focus on developing IPL into a 8 month event for all its clubs with a good mix of T20, one day, and test games. It is time to show middle finger to all these boards. If ICL can attract international players at the expense of getting banned, then surely IPL can. They need to request their franchises to release one bench player from each team for ICC events and FTP tours and focus exclusively on promoting IPL. It is time BCCI focuses exclusively about promoting IPL and increasing their revenues and stop caring about ICC and how to maintain allies at ICC. If this is done, I can see IPL as a 8-9 billion dollar club on a 10-year basis. Who cares what ICC thinks? It can't stop IPL from buying off players. Look, ICL did it. IPL has richer franchise owners.

  • Harry on November 21, 2008, 14:08 GMT

    Its time the IPL and BCCI sit together and discuss the situation before the volcano errupts. All the other boards have started raising voices against the ban. As more and more ex-cricketers get into various positions in their boards - more voices will be raised. Because it is them who understand the game and importance of players rather than some guy with excellent managerial skills. Such guys just try to make the best out of the market and bring in huge profits - they care a dam for the public and cricket.I appreciate Modi for the way he planned IPL. But ignoring ICL has gone too far and not accepted. Power comes with money but you get respected only when you respect others. We all have studied history and seen what happened to shrewd dictators. Dont want IPL/BCCI to take that road. My advice to IPL is accept ICL quickly or you will soon be forced to accept them. - Hari

  • SanjivSanjiv on November 21, 2008, 14:15 GMT

    There is a need to resolve this issue sooner than later. The affected or all boards should sit together with ICC and discuss with BCCI. It may be unpalatable to the Indian Board but it is not good for the health of cricket around the world. ICC and all the boards of the different countries have a duty of care towards its players and enrich the game. Sanjiv Gupta Perth Australia.

  • Thomas_Ratnam on November 21, 2008, 14:36 GMT

    The great Javed Miandad is spot on. There needs to be a dialogue. There must be something fishy. Vested interests obviously play a part. The BCCI behave like big, rich bullies in the world of cricket. It is run by a group of non sporting businessmen and that's quite evident in their attitudes. They question umpires' and referees' decisions that go against their players, protect the IPL as if it's some unique sacred place and after helping Bangladesh into the test fold is the only country not to invite them for a series yet! It's time we all woke up and started talking. All the leading sports persons like Lloyd, Miandad and Ranatunga have spoken. It is quite obvious that the reputations and intentions of the entire Indian subcontinent is at stake and cricket itself may be in danger if left to the designs of these arrogant, immature and unsporting administrators

  • ArunIsHere on November 21, 2008, 14:56 GMT

    "If you can have one private Twenty20 league why not two?" bang on. BCCI's attitude towards has to be contained. Since India is bigger country of all, there is always you can find talent, but for all other countries there is going to have problem. Look at the case of Shane Bond, do NZ need to suffer just because BCCI has money power?

  • Munsta101 on November 21, 2008, 15:30 GMT

    Miandad is talking sense. The ban on ICL players at International level is just reducing the overall quality of cricket worldwide. The BCCI are greedy and need to be taken down a peg or two by other international boards. I just hope they can follow Miandad's lead and grow some balls. Especially Justin Vaughan and the NZ board.

  • chaudhry_saad on November 21, 2008, 15:35 GMT

    The best batsman Javed Minadad is right. the ban on the ICL should be lifted. Let's have a game between the Badshahs and Pakistan. If Badshahs win the ban should be lifted. I think that Pakistan needs those ICL players to represent the country.

  • vedichitesh on November 21, 2008, 16:23 GMT

    Miandad is right….. BCCI is a shameless body and was sleeping till ICL was launched. BCCI was not innovative enough to come out with something like ICL. ICL was and is a great idea which woke BCCI and therefore BCCI launched IPL. What is the difference between IPL and ICL both are doing same work. BCCI may do what they want but other boards should not be bullied by BCCI and they should not ban ICL players. It's really sad why ICC is quiet….. They can just recognize ICL as a good tournament or at least recognize the players.

  • rishikapoor007 on November 21, 2008, 16:24 GMT

    I have a different view on this. Though i am not completely in support of the ban on players, yet i just cannot imagine the existence of ICL. The riches earned by BCCI through IPL is invested for the development of Cricket in India and elsewhere(loan to Srilanka cricket board, a hypocrite who turned agianst the BCCI) whereas whatever the ICL earns will go into the huge coffers of Mr. Subhas Chandra and none of it will be invested for the betterment of game. Whatever they are doing at present is because BCCI does not let them use their facilities otherwise they would just pack the money and let cricket in India rot.