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PCB likely to back ICC revamp

Umar Farooq

March 11, 2014

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Najam Sethi, the interim PCB chief, addresses a press conference, Lahore, June 24, 2013
Najam Sethi: "I don't think this is about principles, it is about safeguarding our own self interests in the long run in world cricket" © AFP
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The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is likely to back the ICC revamp at the world governing body's board meeting next month to give it leverage with other countries, especially India. The PCB is aware, ESPNcricinfo understands, that a pragmatic approach will give it the benefits of bilateral tours it needs in its current situation, while not signing it will increase the sense of isolation.

The PCB is the only Full Member to have not extended its support as yet to the governance, finance and FTP changes in the ICC, which were proposed by the BCCI, the ECB and Cricket Australia in February. When the changes, which increase the power of those three boards within the ICC, were first proposed, four Full Members had come out against them: the PCB, the Bangladesh Cricket Board, Cricket South Africa (CSA) and Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC). The proposals have since been revised and were approved by eight of the Full Members on February 8. SLC and the PCB were the only two to vote against it at that meeting, and SLC extended its support to the revamp 10 days later.

The PCB's previous chairman Zaka Ashraf believed the revamp was against the principle of "equality", and so the PCB, under, Ashraf objected to it. Current chairman Najam Sethi, though, who has been exchanging the reins of the PCB with Ashraf frequently over the past few months due tolegal and political reasons, said it was important to "safeguard" Pakistan's interests.

"I don't think this is about principles, it is about safeguarding our own self-interests in the long run in world cricket," Sethi said. "We are the only ones now, left alone [against the revamp]. Whomever I have spoken to says they also initially opposed the changes but later went with it because they were gaining a lot by supporting these changes."

Sethi reportedly met with his Bangladesh and Sri Lanka counterparts, on the sidelines of Asia Cup, in Dhaka.

The PCB is keen on negotiating bilateral series with India. "The fact is every country wants to play India because they say it brings them much needed revenues. It is a fact that not playing cricket with India is damaging for us," Sethi said.

Ashraf, however, maintained that the revamp would be unjust to the other members. According to him, the PCB - given Pakistan's commercial value to world cricket - was offered the chance to side with the 'Big Three' and benefit from the original proposals.

"The situation is very tricky," Ashraf told ESPNcricinfo. "The PCB obviously will be the last country [to accept the revamp], but that doesn't make any difference. The restructuring is still against the basic principle of equality and the 'Big Three' will be acting despotically.

"The [revised] financial model is based on merely theory and a dummy model [by which no Full Member loses] is shown with a verbal assurance that they won't let the things slip. They promised that every board would get its fair share according to their commercial value. They also asked us to be the part of the scheme, to make it Big Four, as Pakistan holds a productive commercial value."

"The revamped ICC model is bound to fail in the long run," Ashraf said. "Their bid is to control things and that is what the whole idea was, but there is no indemnity if the structure collapses. And I am afraid the way cricket is being treated, the structure won't sustain itself in the long run and in the next three years board members, especially the supporters, will start realising this and things will start splitting."

Pakistan have not hosted any Full Member at home since the terrorist attack on the Sri Lanka team bus in Lahore five years ago. Despite that, the PCB has been functioning rather well and that shows "the value" of Pakistan cricket, Ashraf said. "Pakistan, in last few years, despite being isolated are still standing tall and the PCB is not in debt as many boards are. No board is ready to help Pakistan at a crucial time to revive cricket in Pakistan. But Pakistan cricket is still going strong.

"The world knows the value of Pakistan cricket and this is what keeps us going. Despite the isolation, cricket in Pakistan still a profitable product."

Currently, Sethi is discussing the matter of the revamp with previous chairmen of the board, including Ashraf, seeking their advice on what he has termed a "crisis". It is understood that all of these former chiefs have suggested Pakistan remain in opposition to the revamp.

Umar Farooq is ESPNcricinfo's Pakistan correspondent. He tweets here

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Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 14, 2014, 5:52 GMT)

getsetgopk. If you think size does matters in games, you should feel humiliated by the fact that Ireland has an upper hand against your team!

Posted by getsetgopk on (March 13, 2014, 9:52 GMT)

vkias and Fast track: And again, as a Pakistan supporter, cricket is all about beating India, thats what matters to me. How many times have we beaten India in India and across the globe, 12 to 9 in tests, 72 to 50 in ODI's. Fans of a country with 1.4 billion population are doing pick and chose when comparing against a country one tenth its size, that has to be sad and depressing LOL.

Posted by Jagirani on (March 13, 2014, 6:37 GMT)

now England Losing Everything in his country respected game. no enterfair in worst decisions in cricket history. before we said "Respected cricket" and now "Business Cricket" and about players before said "Legend Player" and now "Sold Player". i am worry that cricket should have good names in coming 2 decades.

Posted by muzika_tchaikovskogo on (March 13, 2014, 5:44 GMT)

To be honest, I'm uncertain whether the revamp is going to change things for the better or the worse. The concentration of power in the hands of a few has been a reality since a long time now- nothing really has changed there. The proposed test match fund could give a much needed boost to cash strapped boards which have been forced to cancel/ postpone test rubbers due to financial implications. To me, much as I hate the BCCI, the jury is out as far the implications of the revamp are concerned.

Posted by SR84 on (March 13, 2014, 5:16 GMT)

Unfortunately, cricket feels dirty. Blemished by politics and money. The advent and rise of the BCCI has left fans in the lurch. Afraid of discriminatory reprisals from a nouveau riche board. Lacking any evidence of the upstanding spirit that defines cricket.

It is understandable that the Pakistani fans are wary of this restructuring. The BCCI's mixing of foreign policy with cricket - bias bordering on racism. Denial of Pakistani sportsmen entry into Indian competitions (including the IPL). No bilateral series. No current or future tours. The Pakistani fan is aggrieved and suspicious of the future ICC.

The brusque Indian comments do not help. The pervasive sense of biased blind following of sheep. A flooding of unabashed aggrandizing of self. Revealing within the deep layers of spice and Bollywood tack a crevice of inferiority complex.

For the sake of cricket fans it is hoped that only a certain type of Indian posts on these message boards and some sanity exists.

Posted by   on (March 13, 2014, 5:03 GMT)

@Fast_Track_Bully: Now from where has Pak team's cribbing against Indian losses come to discussion? To my belief India, after constant losses to Pakistan during the late 80's and early 90's came out with all sorts of whining. They boycotted Sharjah as a venue and put a stop to bilateral tours. They just waited for the 2 Ws, Saqlain and Saeed-Aamir to retire, as they massively feared the star power of that generation.

Amazingly India alongside Pakistan, SL and other Asian countries fought hard to end the Eng-Aus imperialism in cricket during the 80's. Given a chance, they now want to be imperial themselves. What a pity... the game of cricket has given everyone the strength to plan and kill the game itself eventually.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 13, 2014, 4:25 GMT)

@getsetgopk. No one will ask you! lol. It is clear that Pak fans are irked by their lost to Indian in WC group stages, Knockouts, Semis and Finals. Thats why they saw everything as a WC final match!

Posted by kc69 on (March 12, 2014, 22:46 GMT)

As far as I know Pak opposed this revamp because of India in the big 3, now see how fans are blaming India where there is also Aus(CA) and England (ECB) in this big 3.This sums up the entire story.

Posted by reality_check on (March 12, 2014, 21:49 GMT)

@couchpundit. You cant blame PCB for CSA capitulating so easily. Only Sri Lanka and PCB held out for as long as they could. If there were more countries who played cricket then fingers on two hands then it could have been a tough fight but now thanks to big 3, we will probably have less countries playing cricket in five years time.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 21:28 GMT)

@ getsetgopk...then till now some 500-1000 world cups would have played according to your logic....winning in big tourneys matters....unfortunately your team has not achieved it so far

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 21:17 GMT)

We Pakistani Nation Paying lots of taxes... direct and indirect... if PCB want money.. Impose one more Cricket Tax... but Mr.Sethi don't beg India for money....

Posted by stormy16 on (March 12, 2014, 19:17 GMT)

Good move PCB and in all honesty if the ECB and CA had not sold their souls and CSA hadnt chocked, again, when it mattered we would have all been saved the unpleasentries and sold the spirit of sport to money and had a equal playing field in allocating future tours. But now what we have is a 'begging' for a game scenario where those who 'agreed' get favors over those that didnt and unfortunately the PCB is on the wrong side. The irony of course is that despite a chap like Umar Akmal never playing a game at home, Pakistan continue to produce cricketers and upholds the spirit of talent over money!

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 18:55 GMT)

Pakistan should have joined day-1 if this was the end result they were discussing, regardless, DOES NOT MAKE AN IOTA of difference to Pakistanis regardless of what Mr. Sethi says, truth is we have had NO international cricket on her soil for years now, yet, it is a country with strong viewership, revenues and is DEBT FREE, means clearly that we can more than hold our own, we can join this money grab, truth is to the fan, IT WILL NOT MATTER, cricket will live in its true form in Pakistan, raw, innovative and most of all free of monetary restraints......last Pakistan is a BIG-1 itself, don't really care of the big three are big three, it doesn't matter, what matters to me is Pakistan is the BIG-1, I have stopped following Aussies and the POMS too..don't know what their latest teams are made off and DONT CARE.

Posted by viswark on (March 12, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

None of the boards are thinking about the best interest of the sport. So, Pakistan also wanted be part of the scheme, to make it big four. Which didn't happen. Next 3-4 years will be interesting how the sport will shape up around the world with the new proposal in place.

Posted by MTA82 on (March 12, 2014, 17:33 GMT)

PCB has no choice but to accept it.

Shame for BIG three for hijacking cricket. Cricket is in the hands of selfish people. People from India, Australia and English with good cricketing sense see that BIG 3 formation is not good for cricket. Giving power without merit will ruin the game.

BIG 3 Decision is EXTREMELY BAD FOR CRICKET LOVERS.

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (March 12, 2014, 17:27 GMT)

I can only laugh at some comments here which says India is not the best team in the world, they perform poorly outside of sub-continent etc. Yes, they are all true, but this is not about the teams performance. It is about how strong the cricketing board is and what kind of revenue it generates. Of course my team is performing poorly, but dont forget this team is in a rebuilding phase and this is bby far the youngest side to play for India. But, what is discussed in this article is not about a teams performance but the strength of the respective cricketing boards and the impact they have on global cricket. You will get all the chances to blast India performance, but this is definitely not the forum.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 17:26 GMT)

And Now Mr. Sethi will talk about principles. Alas!

Posted by couchpundit on (March 12, 2014, 17:19 GMT)

Poor PCB,

They really believed South Africa will standby them in opposing BCCI, lorgat proved otherwise and got what he wanted(which is Self-Interest of CSA and Redemption in opposing might of BCCI)....unfortunately PCB is left to lurk alone while Bangladesh and Srilanka fell in line.

PCB always be weary of Lorgat just because he is a decendent from Sub-continent and a name you would like doesnt mean the values you hoped him to have.

Well lesson in politics is over...go and get your house in order PCB..oh wait that depends on the situation your country is in...lets blame america and make money however possible.

Posted by getsetgopk on (March 12, 2014, 17:14 GMT)

Its nice to know the India fans are still irked by that drubbing their team got from Afridi in the Asia cup. Keep on telling us about major tournaments. Each and every Pak-Ind game is a fight to the bitter end. Its the only contest in cricket that doesn't care about context, each game is no less than a WC final if you ask me.

Posted by short_cover on (March 12, 2014, 16:55 GMT)

my last post was too direct I think so it didn't get published :) I'll tone it down now. As any have eluded, this step from sethi has nothing to do with cricket, let alone Pak cricket. The fact that Ashraf was removed and he was re-instated says a lot if you're willing to read b/w lines. There is a lot at stake with some power brokers in Pak with this and lets say, they cannot afford to make things sour (as Ashraf was doing with his stand on cricket, rather than non-cricketing financial aspects). So he was duly removed and sethi was brought in to maintain the status quo.

Posted by sk123 on (March 12, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

I'm not sure why people can't separate the results of the game from the results of the economics. The BIG 3 has nothing to do with the win/loss record of a team on the field. It has EVERYTHING to do with who brings money into the game and hence who should get a bigger share out of it. India is RIGHTLY asking for more money because they are the ones making money for other boards. If not for India, some of the boards would be bankrupt (Instead of point fingers SL board should thank India). Sponsors don't care if Pak beats India 10 times in next games. All they care about it how many people from India watch the game and how many from other country watch it. Games with India in them have the highest viewership no matter where they play. India may've been arrogant in their approach but they are right in what theya re asking. If any other board was in the situation India is in, I'm 100% confident that they would do the same. Ethics take a back seat when it comes to money & economics.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

dear vkias i totally understand ur patrotizam but the fact is that the results of india and Pakistan games are Test ODI T20 Match 59 126 5 Won by Pak 12 72 1 Won by Ind 9 50 3 soo don't mind if we add few more in there and tell u one more thing its just the matter of Dhoni leaving the indian team u will see the results yourself.

Posted by screamingeagle on (March 12, 2014, 15:24 GMT)

Ahh, who cares? They wanted to show they are the only ones who stood strong, thats all. As far as Ind-Pak matches, doubt if BCCI will plan any. Even if they do, pretty sure Indian gov will veto that, esp if there is a Gov change in the new elections. Some of the comments here do indicate how much some ppl hate India and not just the team, that answers why India do not care about playing Pak or letting them play in the IPL. I do hope BCCI does not help them even a lil bit.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 14:55 GMT)

I will appreciate efforts made by PCB in past to go against Big Three concept. I knew when people are given ranks based on power and not by merit they does not stand very long. And history will remember when this Big three will collapse that there was only one board who stood against it. What Najam Sethi is doing now is with consideration to the situation and I don't blame him. Cricket is not about money and should not be about money. When we loose concept of equality then we loose concept of a fair game.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 14:54 GMT)

@ Kamran Ansari...first try to win against us in big tournaments, probably you dont aware of your team's performance against India in major tourneys.....we are still in transition phase, our team had only 3-4 experienced players in last tours..so lost those series....but slowly INDIA will come to its as usual winning way.....

Posted by keptalittlelow on (March 12, 2014, 14:40 GMT)

@vkias, My friend 'Pride hath a Fall', time never stays the same, arrogance destroys all the positive things and arrogant people face humiliation, that's what history teaches us.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 14:33 GMT)

i had heard that cricket was a gentlemen's game but after seeing the politics mainly by India i think its no more a gentlemen game and by putting so much money in cricket india is distracting there own cricket that could be explained as India have played 14 Test matches outside the country in last three years; out of which they have lost nine matches, drawn four and have won just one match, and that too against West Indies in June 2011. These stats certainly don't reflect of a team that is number two in Test cricket. But India are number two in Tests, thanks to their impressive record at home. At home, India have played 15 Test matches in three years; out of which, they have lost just two matches, drawn two, and have won 11 matches... i would like to tell u that worst is still to come.

Posted by bdaullah on (March 12, 2014, 14:23 GMT)

At the end, politics invade Cricket. India is not the best team in the world, they have a poor overseas record, same applies to Pakistan.After ICC (at India) world cup, Indian performance not at highest level. They played very poor Cricket at Asia Cup, South Africa & New Zealand. Even India lost by Pakistan at their own ground. Pakistan is proud of their own, India also proud of their own. Please do not bring politics in Cricket. When Australia started first day/night with white ball (Kerry paker, channel 09), ICC suspended most of the player to play the World cup. Ist time crickters were making money. Now, IPL......., ICC must respect Pakistan opinion. Bangladesh is new to cricket world, he will follow the ... keep out from politics, enjoy the Cricket

Posted by Nawab67 on (March 12, 2014, 14:20 GMT)

@KingSalz...Thank Russia for Indian ecomomy?????...What planet do you live in? Russian economy it self is in tatters...and they helped India? You gotta be kidding

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 13:34 GMT)

LOL ! I always said that Pakistan need educated and diplomatic people to run a board but pakistan keep appointing those tribal paindoo like zaka who was earlier beating his chest in front of camera as if he is going for a world war . I mean if India is involved it doesn't mean you have to look toward it with suspect , every board acts by measuring its ability and how much it can give and get . Look at Bangladesh by acting sensibly they have earned T-20 world cup , alternative IPL venue status and test tour of India which will prove financially crucial for the growth of cricket in Bangladesh .

Posted by AndyZaltzmannsHair on (March 12, 2014, 13:31 GMT)

No one wins. But cricket loses. I can't bash the PCB on this one. They put up a better than expected fight and ultimately were left isolated. What can they do?

Posted by shuwairsardar on (March 12, 2014, 13:30 GMT)

@vkais : We have beaten India in India last year and we are the only team to qualify for semis in all t20 wc :)

Posted by ItsJustaSport on (March 12, 2014, 13:23 GMT)

Cool Down Guys! Three things here being discussed here Cricket - Yes, India is not the best team in the world, they have a poor overseas record, same applies to pakistan. Both teams are not world beaters consistenly, on their given day, they can beat any time and some times loss to the lowest ranked team as well. So, not much difference here.

Politics - Descision to not include players from PAK in IPL and avoiding matches are purely political and it has nothing to do with Cricket, so as cricket fans lets avoid talking about it.

Money - All are talking about India taking control, greedy for Money and so on. What happened to the money India has already contributed in the past decade. This was money was distributed equally as per ICC rule, how long you expect somebody to keep on donating money and the boards not utilsing them properly. Why Pakistan fans are not asking question to their own board on what happened to the money they received earlier?

Posted by voyager on (March 12, 2014, 13:20 GMT)

"The world knows the value of Pakistan cricket and this is what keeps us going. Despite the isolation, cricket in Pakistan still a profitable product."

The world knows this fact but unfortunately PCB managment don't. Inspite of years of isolation they still are completely dependent on bil-lateral tours and beg everyone to play with them, there are no efforts to build something local that will provide revenue, jobs and game growth in the country. Self sufficiency will give them strength. bilateral tours will eventually lose their relevance in future

Posted by KingSalz on (March 12, 2014, 13:08 GMT)

@vkais, India's economy is not all self made my friend, you can thank Russia and a few more countries for that. Anyhow, I am not going to be dragged into a politics discussion on a cricket forum. As far as India being better than any other cricket team is simply and plainly ludicrous. If you compare Pakistan's recent success abroad, which we are doing all the time, (UAE isn't really home for us when you see it as our players play all of their domestic cricket in Pakistan; but Thank You to UAE for allowing us to play there and allowing us to call it home), yes but when you compare their records, it clearly shows Pakistan have done much more and so deserved to be called better than India. You can only be called a good cricket team when you win outside your own home, just like Australia and South Africa have done. Don't get me wrong, India have some great batsman and I'm sure records will fall when India play. However,their bowling side on the other hand are exposing them.

Posted by wiiCricket on (March 12, 2014, 13:03 GMT)

This was expected as many in Pakistani sports circle predicted after Ashraf was deposed and Sethi was in. There is a feeling in Pakistan that ousting Ashraf had a political reasoning more than any other legal roadblocks as many initially assumed after the dubious elections (PCB elections). The Sethi, as he is the supporter of Sharif, is favorable towards India not for political reasons but for financial reasons. If you combine both, politics and money, that forms a formidable partnership and a dangerous one too as many feared with the beast of Big Three.

I still feel that the revamp plan has many flaws and favors something which is very arbitrary. The money, that comes with team following, doesn't always come because of populace demand but also with competency which goes up and down based on the performances. So what Big Three, or Big One brings today on table will not remain same in next 5 years. Therefore PCB chair opposed the plan based on sustainability & principles.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 12:41 GMT)

Dear nawaz baig , You are talking about ranking here which can only be Achieved by playing games , Now if you compare the matches Pakistan have played compared to India you would probably understand why Pakistan could not get in Top 3 position and I am very sure if Pakistan played as many matches as India did you would understand how good of a team Pakistan is.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 12:08 GMT)

@ Nawaz Baig...you are calling Pak as TRUE CHAMPION...are making any comedy....im unable to laugh....plz dont do that....this is a forum for serious discussions....you have clear anti-India sentiment.....carry on...we have nothing to worry about it.....show your team's performance by winning major tournaments like INDIA....

Posted by SaraJahanSeAchha on (March 12, 2014, 11:58 GMT)

There is so much animosity from Pak fans. Fact is BCCI is here to stay which brings most money which equates to power period. Nothing to do with who ranks better and performs better. Pak perceives this as Dikkat from India but has no choice. Rammez is sensible and was right with his assessment. I don't think india is trying to take advantage of situation which most countries believe.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 11:55 GMT)

@ Nawaz Baig...i dont remember when your team got no. 1 ranking in ODI or even in tests...i dont even remember in TOP 3 also....but India was well on TOP since from at least one year in ODI's.....won big tournaments in recent past....and tests also was on TOP just before SA series....show me the one big tournament that your team won in last 10-15 years (leave 2008 t-20 world cup)...one more thing, except sub continent and Sharjah pitches, Pakistan never won against India.....mere winning by one wicket in last over wont make your side as CHAMPIONS....thats why you are feeling jealous about INDIA...show your performance in ground.....this jealous wont help you to achieve something...

Posted by taslu613 on (March 12, 2014, 11:36 GMT)

As a cricket lover i would want a change better for the world of cricket.What is good for the cricket should be accepted.As an indian fan i would love to watch more india pakistan matches.Politics has the upper hand over these two cricketing nations. I like to see india playing pakistan,if not in pak may be in UAE.But our cricket board feels like they are everything in international cricket.That mind should be changesd.

Posted by vipinchirackal on (March 12, 2014, 11:33 GMT)

@nawazbagif you dont know anything about cricket please keep quiet.your comment clearly shows anti india passion is the only reason behind your comment at this article and knowledge of cricket has no role there.tell me one reason why you dont think indias success in champions trophy(england) and world cup(sreelanka)doesnt make india a true champion.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 12, 2014, 11:26 GMT)

@Nawaz Baig. I am not surprised by your comments. You know why? I just checked your FB page...that tells the story!

Posted by Dannov747 on (March 12, 2014, 11:24 GMT)

The changes may bring some benefits, I don't think any of us can really tell. But no matter what way you look at it, its basically a power grab by our dear ECB, the BCCI and CA. Given that, the its actually an admirable stance by the PCB, though it's probably also the only board that won't be harmed by opposing India, since India doesn't tour them anyway.

All in all it's been pretty disappointing and unprofessional behavior from the cricket boards.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 11:12 GMT)

I think Indians should carry World Champions title and #1 ranking in all formats of the game because to pull out 16 members team from a population of 1.4 billion is not impossible. if they can't do this or it is impossible for them to find the talent, it means there is not enough talent in the country and they are just an ordinary team like Ireland. If they become Champions of any format or hold the #1 ranking once or twice, to me it is a fluke, good luck or by chance and anybody can be the champion as Afghanistan beat Bangladesh in 2014 Asia Cup. Last but obviously not least INDIA IS NOT A TRUE CHAMPION OF THE GAME. If we compare India with the other teams like Australia, Britain, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. I think they are more entitled to be Champions.

Posted by The-love on (March 12, 2014, 10:57 GMT)

Can someone explain me what is this revamp plan.I mean what Big 3 are asking for and what Pak,SL were opposing for.

Posted by keptalittlelow on (March 12, 2014, 10:52 GMT)

Ideally the world should leave the sports to stay sporting, unfortunately the other name for sport is 'Revenue' and that's the reality. I assure you that the Indian cricket will go down big time as 'Revenue' is being played on cricket pitches in India.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 12, 2014, 10:14 GMT)

@Khurram S Chaudhry . I cannot find 'paksitan is continuously losing from india'. Where is it? Seems like you are posting against your own imaginary enemy!

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 9:58 GMT)

It will bring no changes for PCB at all and it creates no difference at all whether PCB say No or Yes. So, PCB must remain firm on their stand of Principles.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 9:21 GMT)

its a big question mark on ICC.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 9:18 GMT)

See after all this is the reality, be it in sports or politics. Look at world, we have a body named UN, united nations, but who call the shots there, USA, because they are the biggest funding country. UN says yes sir to anything that USA dish out. same goes true for ICC, India is the cash cow with all the money and they want to call shots. So the new thinking and a trio of super nations and then rest of full members and then the also ran. For an optical perspective, yes ICC is there, but lopsided with the trio, mostly India in charge. So go and accept the reality. But onething is bound to happen, that is the way Indian cricket is losing its capability, come 2016, my guess is they will be at the bottom of rankings. The last three months showed us which way they are heading. As for Pakistan there is no alternative but to accept reality.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 9:15 GMT)

some indians who are trying to tell that india always wins in big tournaments.but my friends your problem is that u consider a big tournament only to that tournament where india plays well. Otherwise pak india match series is always a good tournament. and just to remind u that india lost the series to Pakistan in their own home recently. and this time u will really not consider the Asia Cup 2014 a big toyrnament because india has losed it. but i belive that ups and downs come with the time. but it is totally against the sportsmanship if u just keep neglacting others and start beliving that u r the Best. that is some kind of illusion uand then u know what happens. then india looses even agsinst Bangladesh (remember Asia Cup 2012). the purpose of This comment is only that take cricket ad a sport not like a war.if u start taking it as a sport then u will always Love it no matter whoever is playing.in The end it is good to spport ur own country but always respect and honor the other trama.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 9:12 GMT)

the stats fro last 10 years or since 2001 doesnt show much difference between both india - pakistan games. or even since 2004 . even for last few years it doesnt show as much difference as some indian fans claim. can you please paste link from stats guru in your comment. since 2001 paksitan have in fact won slightly more games. and even if you see for last 5 years or so it will be equal or just slight difference. no team has been dominating on other at all. not pakistan. not india. however, india has won almost everything vs paksitan in icc world cups. In t20s though india is ahead than pakistan significantly. but overall for last few years , both are head to head with regards to matches won. just 1 or 2 game difference in odis.

Posted by SR84 on (March 12, 2014, 8:54 GMT)

For those who might not understand the situation; the main reason Pakistanis want to avoid being part of this new 're-structuring' is because of India in general and BCCI in particular.

Plain and simple despite BCCI being a big resource rich board it has proven itself to be prejudiced and small minded in its decision making in the past.

Some of those decisions include: not being able to separate foreign policy and sporting relations. Bordering on racism no Pakistani players are allowed to enter India to take part in sporting competitions be it IPL or hockey. To take an extreme example even Azhar Mahmood who has a British nationality had a tough time entering India for the IPL. Not too long ago he was a Pakistani? The BCCI has not agreed to play Pakistan in any bilateral series over a very long time, where other countries play Pakistanis regularly at home and at neutral venues.

Pakistan really has no incentive to join an organization headed by an extremely juvenile entity

Posted by Samar_Singh on (March 12, 2014, 8:47 GMT)

This revamp is going to destroy cricketing administration in very short time. Bet you.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 12, 2014, 8:41 GMT)

@Bilal Ahmad. lol..if you cannot give protection to VVIPs, then you are in a failed state..accept that. Self boasting will not make you miles ahead. The whole world knows about it.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 8:36 GMT)

Stats of last 10 years or since 2001 still shows paksitan have won slightly more or equal odis. In icc events though, this thing has changed with india winning almost all of it. Otherwise its not the case as some indian fans are saying that paksitan is continuously losing from india. better check a thing called stats guru and paste link here for others to prove your claim. even in last 5-6 years , you cant pick a dominating team between both.

In t20s, india is ahead of pakistan.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 8:23 GMT)

Pakistan have no guts to stay on there desicion. They are accepting it Hahhahahaha. I am an Indian Fan. But still I like Pak team a lot. But the board is just a dummy Lion who just say not do anything. Feeling sad....... PCB you should stay............

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 8:22 GMT)

Who was behind srilankan team attack at lahore. RAW ??? Indian board did all things to destroy cricket and always beating their own drum. It's shame not to play sa and invite westindies to beat them and create a fantasy sort of atmosphere for sachin. If sachin was that good he shd go to sa. We pak believe that we are not as good as we were but still miles ahead of Indians and will always be.

Posted by yoadie on (March 12, 2014, 8:08 GMT)

Sometimes, if one can not beat them, then one has to join them.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 8:03 GMT)

@ sherishahmir...if you have such big resources? utilize them in developing cricket in your country....conduct PPL and other local tournaments with only Pak players participation...revive on your own, why are you begging India...request any other quality cricketing sides like Australia, England, South africa to play with you in your country...but they are highly unlikely to come there...there is no way left for you, so surrendered to India....

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 7:47 GMT)

now its better to support big 3 bcoz all other countries now support them

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 7:46 GMT)

@Zain Ahmed...dont speak rubbish...first correct your stats....in 1996 quarter final, Pakistan thrashed by India in Bangalore, after that again thrashed by India in past 15 years in series of major tournaments in Manchester, Centurion, Durban, Johannesburg, Mohali, Colombo and very recently in Edgbaston....so first learn to win against us in big tournaments....you people only speak big...but not acting like that...

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 12, 2014, 7:34 GMT)

@ ramz30380...i agree with you friend, we have also faced so many hurdles...remember 2008 mumbai terrorist attacks....leave cricket..after that incident no other country wanted to come here, we lost investments, tourism, industries.....yet we came strong and became successful in dealing them....now we are stronger than before....even the countries like US, Russia, Israel, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, Saudi Arabia are looking towards us for cooperation in various sectors...why cant Pakistan also become like this?

Posted by SR84 on (March 12, 2014, 7:33 GMT)

Very unfortunate if PCB goes this route. If Najam Sethi believes that the new structuring is going to fail in a couple of years then why join? Also, the BIG 3 will be running the ICC but that does not mean Pakistan will be excluded from international cricket. Lastly, how does playing with India change anything as they havent been playing with Pakistan (or allowing Pakistani players into India) for a while now! Completely flawed thinking in my opinion.

A prominent man once said: "Think 100 times before you take a decision, But once that decision is taken, stand by it as one man."

Posted by Farhaan_Hassan_Maken on (March 12, 2014, 7:28 GMT)

Dear miss Deepti Mariyam i acknowledge you for possession such a great information and misleading viewers with pathetic example .. for your kind of information in 2013 Pakistan A team visited South Africa, stood there to become the only Asian team to beat south Africa in south Africa .. Soon later Indian team visited south Africa, they even didnt manage to win a single game on that surface .. This is what happens when India plays outside subcontinent and well if winning over Zimbabwean team is an achievement for you then you better improve your standards friends

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 12, 2014, 7:23 GMT)

@AH_USA . If you put the T20 statics too, that will be interesting!

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 7:22 GMT)

1 corection for some people here. even india has refused to give pakistan its home series for many years and even no gamed at home, pcb is still not in loss. yes they arr a bit tight financially but not in loss. so i dont agree with you guys on it.

regarding proposal, its passed now so both SL and Pcb have to join in. there is no other way around it. you cant change anything. for moral and principle thing: pakistan is last one to join in so they did showed some resistent.

and many here saying that they were waiting for some deals, if that was the case then they would have accepted it earlier. they cant get much now as they are last ones.

proposal was right or wrong: this debate is of no use now. it has been approved so it will be implemented. right or wrong , its closed chapter.

big 3 will still want all 10 boards voting for it. thats how they can stamp authority on it. if a board like csa can change its stance then smaller boards like pcb and csl cant oppose it.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 7:16 GMT)

(1)Politics,(2) Safety,(3) Cricket, & (4) Money are separate issues. Not necessarily ALWAYS interlinked. Many of us mixing them up out of confusion, or just to win an argument for its own sake.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 7:12 GMT)

The so called "Big 3 Proposed Revamp" means no difference to Pakistan, one way or the other. As long as they can't have international games played in Pakistan, their financial plight would be the same.

Don't mix this issue with cricket. In terms of new cricketing talents emerging alll the time, I am in full praise of Pakistan. But, this particular issue under debate has relevance only for their financial security, financial welfare and financial growth.

If Pak can not get other nations to tour Pakistan, the NEXT BEST thing is to get more Indo- Pak matches. That is what Najam Sethi, it seems in good faith, seems to be doing. Quite sensibly.

In the midst of that we are all making our brownie points!

Posted by nafdan on (March 12, 2014, 7:07 GMT)

agree the ICC revamp and get ipl contracts for pakistan players in return as this edition would be held away from india for sure because of the elections..

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 7:04 GMT)

@ Deepti mariyam, i am an indian fan, but i think u have less knowledge of cricket, because u said indian A team won in zim and pak team lost,this will happen when pak play outside sub continent. But what has happened about our indian team in south africa, nz,aus,eng everywhere we lost, but pak has won against wi,sa, ind all outside pak and uae.So before telling other team we should see where our team stands

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (March 12, 2014, 6:55 GMT)

ha ha ha..then why that fuss earlier?...that was expected...they will always talk big..but no guts to act like that! feel very sorry for PCB and Pak cricket...

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 6:53 GMT)

Helo Indian's are always afraid to play with Pakistan as they know after loosing from us their own nation throw stones on their players and do violation as they start burning stadium and start extremist things in 1996 quarter final, never it happens in Pakistan that we have to vacant stadium for a match, as illiterate people do in India and they start throwing things in ground. What happen with SL team in Pakistan is totally done by Indian terrorist agency RAW. India is trying these ruthless things from 1947 but till now what you people have done? We are flourishing day by day and if dare to put an eye on us u all nation will be out of this world in just 2 minutes. l

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 6:48 GMT)

@deepti, Pakistan beat SA in SA 3-1, please do not speak out of ignorance. I'm not saying Pak is a better team than most but unlike the Indians they are not a slave to home conditions

Posted by israrak on (March 12, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

@ deepti mariyam ... the same pakistani team just beat SA in SA where your team was thrashed in the odis ... also they beat india in india 1 yr back ... so whos better now ??? lol

Posted by AH_USA on (March 12, 2014, 6:28 GMT)

@mgr125128: "...Perhaps you dont remember the results of key encounters of 1990s....the 1992 Worldcup match between India and 1996 QF and 1999..." Aah, you forgot to mention that not all matches played were part of the WC, were they? Here are some facts for you: Total test played = 59 PAK won = 12 IND won = 9 Total ODI played = 126 PAK won = 72 IND won = 50

Here are some facts from the 1990s: Total test played = 3 PAK won = 2 IND won = 1 Total ODI played = 45 PAK won = 26 IND won =17

@samincolumbia: Same is the answer for you. Not all games played are part of the WC.

@Jagan Mummadi: Here are statistics for you from the past 10 years when all your great batsmen were playing: Total test played = 15 PAK won = 5 IND won = 5 Total ODI played = 85 PAK won = 46 IND won =37

@Jose Puliampatta: I am aware of the terrorist attack on SL team in Pakistan and I have not attributed that to politics.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 6:22 GMT)

Najam Sethi is 35 puncher men..............

Posted by IndiaRulesEverybody on (March 12, 2014, 6:05 GMT)

Pakistan surrendered to India. Usual story.

Posted by sherishahmir on (March 12, 2014, 6:05 GMT)

Apart from the debate of Big3 to support them or not, I dont understand why PCB is so keen to play with India if they do not want to play with Pak,though matches between Pak vs India r always interesting and thrilling but there is no point to beg someone. Pakistan is a formidable side in World cricket, having approx 200 million population has every resource and brain to develop their own market, as the game has tremendous following by people in Pak with lot of love and passion, its a simple matter of channelizing the resources for game, address the issues of security and play cricket with the quality sides Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka,England & NZ rather with depleted Indian side just for the sake of money. Pak ultimate decision to support Big3 is prudent with no other option.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 6:04 GMT)

@deeepti yes you are right .. but you should remember too Pakistan in south africa had won by 2-1 in odi series against south africa while India lost even in newzland .. ..

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 5:58 GMT)

Why are we Indians & Pakistani's talk big time over here? The administrators are not going to listen to us or agree with what we are saying. Pakistan shouldn't have opposed the revamp in first place, supporting South Africa and Bangladesh proved wrong & costly. They should have negotiated in a better way, i.e., getting its own piece of cake.

Apart from this, Pakistani fans should be happy with what their team have achieved for last 5 years even after being isolated & to the Indians, you guys have got a world class team, need to work hard and win more matches to make your fans happy & thank you.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 5:24 GMT)

for everyone complaining that India is running after money, i would ask why are you and your players after money - why don't you be just saints, get paid like a common man and get facilities like a common man? why do you need the same money as Indians?

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 5:14 GMT)

We support always to pakistan in every one Decision..............

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 4:47 GMT)

In 2013 India A team visited Zimbabwe, thrashed them 5-0 in the one day series. Soon later Pakistan team visited Zimbabwe, they struggled with a team so low in the rankings. Lost one ODI and one test there. This is what happens when Pakistan plays outside subcontinent.

Posted by Udendra on (March 12, 2014, 4:45 GMT)

Correction: PCB & SLC didn't vote against the proposals, but abstained from voting.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 4:45 GMT)

"No board is ready to help Pakistan at a crucial time to revive cricket in Pakistan. But Pakistan cricket is still going strong" --- Bulls Eye there!!

Posted by shiraz210 on (March 12, 2014, 4:42 GMT)

My all Indian friends. Pakistan not arrogant or neither our behavior. we came to india we played there and we are the only team who beat INDIA in india in last 2 years.

but BCCI m not using INDIA here. BCCI has some arrogant attitude.

my friend @ vkias your 3.5 million people earning money in this desert. and they wanna see Indo Pak series in dubai.

@ AH_USA its not our behavior. BCCI just wanna show as they are something. and you also know IPL every match is fixed according to my indian friends it is a script. last 3 balls they change the scenario and earn million..

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 4:34 GMT)

feeling realy soorry for indian cricket .Thats all ican say....

Posted by ProdigyA on (March 12, 2014, 2:42 GMT)

@ramz30380 - pak has the 4th largest population in the world but still not enough to generate enough money for anything in life...forever keeps pleading other countries for help not just cricket but in every aspect.. If u know what I mean.. Talk about competency.

Posted by ProdigyA on (March 12, 2014, 2:25 GMT)

Where r all the fans who where so proud of the PCB and what not..oh busy thinking of an excuse perhaps...lol

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 0:58 GMT)

@AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 19:09 GMT):

You are conveniently ignoring safety as the major issue, for Pak getting marooned in the desert for their "domestic" internationals! And very few are keen to play Pak in Pak. (Don't cover it up by invoking the word, Politics).

The whole world, unfortunately for Pak, still remembers what the terrorists did to Pak's best cricketing friends from the emerald island!

The only major collaboration one often sees between SL & Pak is the common theme of sniping at India, at every opportune (or, even inopportune) moment. Pak's best cricketing friend SL wants to play India more often than their readiness to play Pak. As they say: "It's all a matter of money, honey!",as Najam Sethi would vouch for.

Posted by Ozizim on (March 12, 2014, 0:37 GMT)

Why all the fuss? The first honest input from the PCB, and good on them. Sethi is stating what is obvious to all, and the fact that he says so publicly is a feather in his cap for sure. If the PCB has more of this calibre, it will go a long way to improving its position. The facts are the facts, no matter how you want to sugarcoat it. BCCI is the powerhouse, it's team is the most watched and followed, therefore, any Board worth its salt will want to play with India.

Posted by FSL2013 on (March 12, 2014, 0:21 GMT)

During this debate I repeatedly posted here saying PCB should negotiate Amir's return and couple of more incentives including biletral series with England Australia and other places where political problem can't stop the trip. Zaka Ashraf's stand was unrealistic from the day one but doesn anyone listen. going with the street sentiments doesn't always pay off.

Posted by   on (March 12, 2014, 0:15 GMT)

@AH USA...... Your statement india not playing Pak because they are losing is absurd!!!! please check last 10 yr stats of India vs Pak. See who is winning more!!!!

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 23:36 GMT)

@Kaleeq...if money not everything why do you think Pak changed its position!?

Posted by bul98 on (March 11, 2014, 23:36 GMT)

The reason INDIA does not play PAK very often is simple because they are scarred of lossing and cannot beat PAK very often. It took them 50 plus years to WIN a series in PAK in both Tests and ODI, where PAK beat them almost every ODI series in IND and WON multiple Test series in IND. PAK offered them to play anywhere any place but they still hesitate to play. PAK even visit to IND in 99 when they had so many threat and beat them in both Test and ODI.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 23:34 GMT)

@Rohit...it's called economics...!!!!

Posted by wapuser on (March 11, 2014, 23:32 GMT)

Big3 already have been approved with the majority vote, when all cricket boards looked into financial benefits for their boards rather than cricket as whole. I think cricket fans and lovers shall not hurt if Pakistan joins the Revamp now. All cricket lovers and fans know that Pakistan stood tall against the injustise. I don't know why cricket board run by a person whose credibility in question these kind of things hurt Pakistan cricket, Pakistan is 200 millions population country and it is full of talent and cricket lovers nobody can distroy our cricket, and other country loose a lot more than Pakistan if they don't play with Pakistan. Pakistan cricket has lot of potential all we need a credible person to run the board not buy a Mr. Injections.

Posted by Reggie_Boss on (March 11, 2014, 23:29 GMT)

Not sure why folks are surprised, Pakistan was holding on to get a good cut. How many times have their changed their administrators? and coaches - if anything politics rule over their sport. It was a two-fold sad face and mainly for their players not being included in IPL ( a pure circumstantial issue even though Indian public has forgotten Pakistani love of 26/11 ). As for comments of India not performing, the champions trophy was an ICC event and don't confuse form with economics of the game ( even if India were 9 on the list, there will still be public to watch and money on it )

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 22:12 GMT)

right on AH=USA since this is a done deal nothing can be gained by opposing it,as long as we are winning matches which we will the nay sayers and haters from india and england can take a flying leap.

Posted by Rahul17_1983 on (March 11, 2014, 22:11 GMT)

So finally they also fall in line

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 21:55 GMT)

Najam Sethi has already agreed to the revamp. Zaka Aahraf created a problem. Pakistan cricket board will not alienate themselves.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 21:17 GMT)

BCCI recently made a generous payment to all cricketers who have played cricket for India from surplus funds. This is to compensate ex cricketers who didnt make the same money that modern cricketers make. I find it difficult to term BCCI as greedy after such a magnanimous gesture.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 21:10 GMT)

A lot of people making statements like money is ruining cricket. Can anybody explain how?

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 21:08 GMT)

@ramz in 80s when CA and ECB proposed same type of changes Pakistan and other countries including India where against those changes.

Now they added BCCI with them and strangely BCCI has no objection.

Just makes it clear that Cricket is not their priority...

Please have a look at history before giving your comments.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 20:57 GMT)

@harishk

It's not the fox and the grapes but it is like someone force you to surrender from your rights or you will be left with nothing to survive.

Now whether you try to avoid the situation and surrender.

Or you just surrender (as all other boards have done)

Posted by samincolumbia on (March 11, 2014, 20:37 GMT)

@AH_USA - You seem to be living in a different planet or alone in a desert. Pakistan can never beat India in a World Cup game. They are just not good enough.

Posted by mgr125128 on (March 11, 2014, 20:21 GMT)

@AH_USA : you make me laugh when you said India stopped playing Pakistan in the 1990s because they could not beat Pakistan. Perhaps you dont remember the results of key encounters of 1990s....the 1992 Worldcup match between India and 1996 QF and 1999 ...If India could beat Pakistan in world cup matches then I guess................. ;) you know whats next ;)

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 20:01 GMT)

Im proud of my country in which it developed to dictate the world of cricket....once upon a time, she was pleading other countries to include it to play cricket...but today other countries are in that position....proud to be an INDIAN

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 20:01 GMT)

Cricket is colonized now.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 19:58 GMT)

Im proud of my country in which it developed to dictate the world of cricket....once upon a time, she was pleading other countries to include it to play cricket...but today other countries are in that position....proud to be an INDIAN

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 19:55 GMT)

@ Hammad Shahid..look at ramz30380's comment.....if no BCCI, then no cricket, if no cricket, then no Pakistan, so if no BCCI, no Pakistan...simple math....the BIG 3 never care for anybody and they wont force any country to support them....but to get revival of their sport along with economy....other countries must support the proposal...so Pakistan is supporting it....

Posted by ramz30380 on (March 11, 2014, 19:52 GMT)

@vkias - please dont be hard on Pakistan! I dont think its the PCB's problem nor the problem of the cricket loving public of Pakistan - they have a political issue - Pakistan's inability to offer security has been a cause of concern - with the attacks on the Sri Lankan team, no team wants to tour Pakistan for safety concerns!

In a way I appreciate PCB for not putting an end to cricket in the country, and doing their bit by having organised tours in UAE! With this move hoping to see Ind vs Pak test matches soon!

Posted by AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 19:52 GMT)

@vkias "...yes this behaviour of Pakistan is ruining them....because of it they are playing in desert...."

Yes, we are playing in desert but remember what happened when we played in your backyard!

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 19:50 GMT)

@ Hammad Shahid..look at ramz30380's comment.....if no BCCI, then no cricket, if no cricket, then no Pakistan, so if no BCCI, no Pakistan...simple math....the BIG 3 never care for anybody and they wont force any country to support them....but to get revival of their sport along with economy....other countries must support the proposal...so Pakistan is supporting it....

Posted by ramz30380 on (March 11, 2014, 19:47 GMT)

As for the cricket perspective - I wud love to see Ind vs Pak games! That is a crowd puller and money puller. It will do Pak a world of good, so that they can pay their players better and invest in cricket.

Expected results honestly! Everyone did expect PCB to fall in line sooner or later!

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 19:44 GMT)

@ AH_USA...Pakistan's position is irrelevant now and its not having any effect on the proposal...but its position is having big impact on Pakistan and its cricket future....

Posted by AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 19:44 GMT)

@Francis Mel: I do agree with you that Pakistan's position became irrelevant after both SL & SA caved in and took the bait from the so-called BIG 3. PCB has been mismanaged for a long time and this has nothing to do with playing either India or any other country. The office of PCB has been used for political purposes. What can and will help Pakistan is only Pakistan and no one else. So, this bait from the so-called BIG 3 cannot improve management in PCB if the change does not come from within. With all the lack of facilities, there is absolutely no lack of talent in Pakistan and it is evident from the fact that even after losing match winning bowlers like Aamir, Asif, we are still a decent team. We might not have won any major tournaments, but we have provided decent fight in most games including wins in India in 2012.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 19:38 GMT)

@ AH_USA...Pakistan's position is irrelevant now and its not having any effect on the proposal...but its position is having big impact on Pakistan and its cricket future....

Posted by Desihungama on (March 11, 2014, 19:38 GMT)

Fact is whether we join Big 3 or not it won't affect Pakistan Cricket. Our cricket structure at grass root level is much stronger than most countries. Our players are in constant demand by English Counties as well as T20 leagues all over the world with the exception Indian Paisa League. Loss is for those who gain massive wealth and then look for ways to protect it, like what Big 3 are up to. In case of Pakistan, there is Nothing to lose. There is no cricket in Pakistan and despite that we are sending players all over the world and performing well everywhere. PCB is not a private venture and is funded by Government so again no loss there. India does not play us and we don't sweat over it. However, one day India will be looking toward Pakistan because in the end it's about money and sponsors are not fool to know which series will bring money to India.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 19:25 GMT)

@harishk8006...yes this behaviour of Pakistan is ruining them....because of it they are playing in desert....

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 19:21 GMT)

Its strange that India is not winning a single game outside country against world class teams but still dictating tge terms just for 'money'. I think a time has come when BCCI should think that this money is ruining their Cricket.

Posted by SandipManjrekar on (March 11, 2014, 19:21 GMT)

PCB likely to back ICC revamp

Their earlier stand good for them.

Today's decision....somewhat expected...still....Good for them.

Posted by ramz30380 on (March 11, 2014, 19:21 GMT)

@Khaleeq Aftab - Money isnt everything for India and BCCI is not greedy! BCCI brings more money into the game and its only fair that it takes its share of profits! India hasnt been performing well lately - but that doesnt mean Ind has never won a single match - its previous series in SA in 2011, India did win a test and drew the series 1 - 1, against WI it won the series again in 2011. Its after that, there has been a downslide overseas! U must remember my friend that Pakistan lost 0-5 to Aus during their last trip downunder!

How come no one questioned the ICC dominance of CA and ECB in the 70s and 80s and everyone is questioning BCCI? Where was Pakistan, SL and Bangladesh when Aus and Eng ruled in World Cricket?!

@Rohit Maheshwari - India has the highest population among cricket playing countries & the most followed game is cricket! More ppl = More viewership = More sponsors = More Money - that is the math!

Posted by The-Pisolkar on (March 11, 2014, 19:18 GMT)

Hope Pakistan Don't want play in deserts of UAE ....:).....so good to be in shadow of India hope it will revive their economy...)

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 19:14 GMT)

This is a happy news as the last of the recognised opponents for revamp in Pak has finally agreed to fall in line with the rest ! Let's hope this process of reconciliation works to the advantage of less powerful nations in the ICC and not contrary to expectations ie detrimental to the cause or rather proliferation of Cricket itself , of course financially , as well !

Posted by snaidu2010 on (March 11, 2014, 19:13 GMT)

ok, first of all lets stop with this "Gentleman's Game" thing. It stopped being that long time ago. This is just a man's game, win at any cost. All of you who talk about India being greedy, cheap and so on and so forth, one thing needs to be understood that India is needed for the game. Players have started being paid well only in the last 20 years or so, when India grew as a financial power. So yes ICC needs BCCI. And instead of most of the Pak fans cursing only just India ( which they do by default for any ills ), you do know there are Eng and Aus also that came up with the contract. So just calm down, lets see how this new contract works. Just dont sit on the sidelines and mouthing off that the big 3 dont care about others. They also need other countries to play series with else even their fans will be bored of the same rivalries.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 19:13 GMT)

Pakistan's position is irrelevant as ICC needed only a 2/3rd majority to enforce changes. There has been a lot of people saying sport should be seperated from politics. I disagree with this statement. How can you behave as if everything is normal when the political situation is clearly not. The same argument could have been used to remove the sanction on South Africa for apartheid. Not playing Pakistan and the resulting loss of revenue to Pakistan sends out a very important, powerful and necessary message. PCB does not realise this now or probably dont care but their pride will damage cricket in Pakistan in the long run. Today Indian players playing in domestic competitions are well paid and hence are able to make a decent living playing cricket. This is also an attractive proposition to youngsters taking up the sport. All this is possible because BCCI is cash rich. PCB is barely managing to keep things afloat. What will they invest in the sport?

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 19:12 GMT)

i see many comments here talking about weather this proposal was right or wrong. guys that is out of question now. as it has been passed so that debate is over. can not be changed now. its only that what pcb can do now. 9 are on 1 side and they cant simply stand alone.

Posted by AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 19:09 GMT)

@harishk8006: "..this arrogant and lackluster behavior from Pakistan is what keeps them away from IPL and playing bilateral series with India quite often...."

Not sure which planet are you living in. PAK players do not appear in IPL for pure political reason. And as for India playing Pakistan, India stopped playing Pakistan in the 90's for two reasons: (a) political (b) it could not beat Pakistan.

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (March 11, 2014, 19:04 GMT)

Now that we had gone on a path of principles, we should stay on that path and vote against it as the only moral force. Pakistan cricket is strong enough for others to negate playing against us. The only problem Pakistan can face is India playing gangster. I'll learn to sustain without playing India. Cut your costs, fire all those who are drawing big salaries for nothing and find some better sponsors.

Posted by harishk8006 on (March 11, 2014, 19:01 GMT)

Everyone remember the "Fox and the grapes story" it fits perfectly here.....this arrogant and lackluster behavior from Pakistan is what keeps them away from IPL and playing bilateral series with India quite often. Doesn't this make PCB look very STUPID now!!!

Posted by HealthyCric on (March 11, 2014, 19:00 GMT)

I LOVE when things go as I expected.

Very good decision. Good for the country, good for the players and good for other part of the world who like to watch Pakistan's unpredictable performances.

Principles, yes, do some charitable events and show in test matches. One days/T20s are only commercial events just live with it.

I would say Pakistan mgmt must have got best out of these negotiations, they are smarter than I thought.

I wish some of those talented Pakistan bunch were in IPL bring some excitement and made some money too so that they can be little more rich and happy.

To the people who think revamping is not good thing, then you have to realize that you are not smarter than rest of the world.

Let us see how many series India is going to play with Pakistan.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 18:56 GMT)

i dont understand how money is everything for india ?? they didnt even won a single match on away tours shame on greedy bcci ruining the the game of gentlemen

Posted by khanofcricket on (March 11, 2014, 18:54 GMT)

The way original proposal was presented was not acceptable to any but a few went along with big 3 just to appease them. Four of them presented sensible opposition to the proposal. Since then many changes were made in the proposal and hence, it got approved. SL & PK also did not vote against it in the last meeting - they abstained and said that they have to run it by their board and get back. As the proposal stands today, it makes sense to accept it and make it a unanimous approval to ICC revamp. Whatever happens to Cricket due to these changes is every one's responsibility and it should be the responsibility of big 3 to ensure it succeeds. I am sure, there is no one formula to succeed. As the dynamics change it would warrant further changes as we go along. But for the time being, all boards should leave the whole drama behind them and move on with the game. Best of luck!

Posted by vkumar_086 on (March 11, 2014, 18:50 GMT)

Here we have to note down that before playing against India in New Zealand, NZ cricket board was in loss....but India tour of NZ brought them huge profits.....this again proved that playing against India will bring revenues thats why every country wants to play against India....there is no way left for Pakistan...its already late....they have not played in their soil since from 2007.....if they accept this proposal, there may be chance of bilateral series against India that will revamp Pak's cricket

Posted by seo7seo on (March 11, 2014, 18:44 GMT)

It will be approved. I don't think PCP will be left "alone" if they don't vote for this new model.

All of us buy a ticket for a match only if know there will be quality cricket. How much money you can earn if there is a match between India and Afghanistan? It is only QUALITY CRICKET that EARNS MONEY.

I don't think players or fans would get anything from this new model. Looks like already rich officials from all boards are joining hands to increase their own salaries.

Posted by AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 18:42 GMT)

@StatisticsRocks:"Look if India agrees to play Pakistan in Pakistan, then every other country will automatically do so." You are making a wrong assumption. Australia had refused to visit to Pakistan even when other teams were still visiting. I absolutely do not blame any team for not visiting Pakistan under the prevailing situation, but just because India will visit Pakistan does not mean that others will automatically start visiting Pakistan as well. And btw, India will not visit Pakistan for political reasons. India did not play Pakistan in the 90's for the same reason.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 18:38 GMT)

What is the use of opposing first and joining the big 3 later? Hypocrisy!

Posted by waqas-ahmed-qasi on (March 11, 2014, 18:38 GMT)

I think Pakistan should join this cheap " big 3" game, because Pakistan's cricket is already in crises and there is no other cricket team who want to play in Pakistan. Other full member cricket board also left alone Pakistan in favour of new "Big3" revamp. Sri lankan board also announced his joining to "Big3" revamp. So I think Pakistan should join this new revamp in next ICC meeting. Atleast Pakistan will conduct there home series in U.A.E.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 18:10 GMT)

Even i am an Indian but dont understand the fact that how come playing against India brings in more money rather than playing against any other nation....

Posted by AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

@ProdigyA: Just because Ramiz said something does not automatically makes it legitimate or moral. I did not like Zaka that much but at least he took a stand on principles. Sethi is a political appointee and nothing more. He absolutely possess no sense of cricket whatsoever. These politicians have literally destroyed cricket in Pakistan and if it was not for the abundance of talent that exists in Pakistan, cricket would have been disappeared in this country long ago.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

its not about being pro indian or anything. I think simply got no option left. its is passed and you take it or stay alone. Paksitan will be last to join in so that may be moral boost for all those who wanted to be against this.

i said it in beginning that big 3 will want it to be approved 10 out of 10. and both SL & PCB didnt vote against it last month. This was coming and nothing as such surprise here.

And guys top part is Najam's words in this article and bottom part is Zaka Ashraf's so its not that Najam saying 2 different things.

Posted by AH_USA on (March 11, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

@StatisticsRocks: IPL is a farce and a disservice to quality cricket. I did not follow it even when PAK players participated in it in the first edition.

Posted by FawltyBean on (March 11, 2014, 17:59 GMT)

What else is left there to do?

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (March 11, 2014, 17:25 GMT)

As much as I hate this, even as an Indian, more importantly a passionate cricket fan, it is almost impossible not to go along with India as everyoe benefits from this, especially financially. Given the current financial situation of other Asian Cricket boards, they are only bound to make profit from this deal, and they need it. Look if India agrees to play Pakistan in Pakistan, then every other country will automatically do so. Just like eveyone thought IPL is only for one or 2 season, guess what after 6 season, it is only getting stronger and stronger.

Posted by ICKY on (March 11, 2014, 17:18 GMT)

We dont have to support them to show our value and get other countries to play us. Let the team win WC and show good cricket, this way all teams will beg our team to play them. Its easy to make money by falling of grace but lets play good cricket and earn respect and money with dignity. Unfortunately \sethi and his backers dont know the meaning of dignity and how to earn it gracefully.

Posted by ProdigyA on (March 11, 2014, 17:07 GMT)

A bit late to the party I guess. Rameez Raja had said long ago to accept it and not to act too smart but nobody listened to him.

Posted by Saad.Navaid on (March 11, 2014, 16:14 GMT)

As expected the pro-Indian mind set of Mr. Sethi is working its magic. I don't think Pakistan will gain much by backing the revamp now and as Mr. Ashraf and many others have already pointed out that this system is bound to fail in the longer run Mr. Sethi and his supporters are pushing Pakistan cricket in a pit of shame only to.please the Indians... I only hope that he will atleast get Muhammad Amir reinstated in return for this cause we really need a good fast bowler who can take wickets...

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 15:56 GMT)

@muzika the interview has two parts.. it has the first few statements by Nsjam Sethi whereas the one's below are by Zaka Ashraf the previous PCB chairman.

Posted by bllas on (March 11, 2014, 15:48 GMT)

I understood the PCB position. They cannot have lonely run. Also I don't have any what's in this so called revamp. However one thing for sure, How deep this cheep Indian mentality been infect in world cricket. All started to measure based on commercial values. Understood money is key factor for any kind of professional bod. But when that comes to sport money is not everything. Really disappointing the way this going on.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 15:47 GMT)

@muzika_tchaikovskogo on (March 11, 2014, 15:37 GMT):

May be, when he made this announcement, he forgot that; "one can't have the cake and eat it too!" Still worse, "one can't stomp over the cake and eat it too!"

Posted by muzika_tchaikovskogo on (March 11, 2014, 15:37 GMT)

I find Mr. Sethi's statements quite baffling. If the PCB is doing it purely for practical reasons, its hard to understand why they would want to shoot themselves in the foot by criticising the restructuring- that might defeat the very purpose.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 15:21 GMT)

It's a little hard to comprehend. If I understand correctly, the Big3 don't need Pakistan's support now. Pakistan (like Sri Lanka) could still get in the "good graces" of the Big3 by supporting later - albeit with much less in return from the Big3. But by issuing statements like the above, Mr. Sethi is publicly saying that it's a farce; but I'll only *wink wink* support it to get something in return. I wonder what the Big3 have to say about this.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 15:20 GMT)

PCB don't want this but have to as they have been left in a desert for the last 6yrs to play, whereas every country get to play on bouncy fast wickets. PCB need to do this to allow the players to get better conditions. But they and other boards don't want this, just have to do it.

Posted by LeftBrain on (March 11, 2014, 15:13 GMT)

I agree with Ashraf, the whole idea is based on theories, speculations and cpmuter generated models. You dont have to go far to see the real value of compuer generated models, strategies and planning. England cricket t eam is perfect example of failure after failure after failure despite of all these. This Revamp model is bound to be failed, within our lifetimes.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 15:07 GMT)

What ashraf is saying is right on principle. but not workable. Both SL & PCB did not Vote against it last month. Infact they both mismanaged it. It was good till they had numbers to block it. but when CSA changed its mind, these both should have as well.

This is already passed. With 9 out of 10 went in favor. No point staying alone now. It is game. not political war. And for game you need to play cricket. They are already late so might not secure good things but no point now.

Posted by Nitin2208 on (March 11, 2014, 14:55 GMT)

Great... Evryone likes to have a piece of cake....

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