Australia in South Africa 2013-14 February 9, 2014

Peterson does not mind being 'underestimated'

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The fast bowlers are snarling at each other from afar. The batsmen are talking up their packs and their own skills are against the opposing ones. But there are some people involved in the upcoming South Africa-Australia tussle who are quite happy to advertise their admiration for each other: Robin Peterson and Nathan Lyon. 

The two spinners can't seem to get enough of talking each other up. On Thursday, Nathan Lyon called Robin Peterson a "world-class spinner", and today Peterson returned the compliment. "I have always admired Nathan Lyon. He is a quality performer," Peterson said. "Maybe the Ashes in England would have been different if they had picked him in the first two Tests." 

Lyon was sidelined for fresh-faced Ashton Agar in those two matches, who proved more of a novelty value with the bat than consistent choice with the ball. Australia lost both and went back to Lyon for the next three games, of which they drew two. Peterson knows all too well what that feels like.

After winning his place in the Test XI in Perth in November 2012, Peterson played South Africa's next six matches but after a poor performance in Abu Dhabi last October, he was dropped for Imran Tahir. The legspinner had a similarly disappointing return against India in Johannesburg two matches later and that opened the door for Peterson again. It's been an uncertain ride. 

Peterson was given a vote of confidence when he was named the only spinner in the squad to face Australia. Despite that, his name remains the one most dimly lit up in the South African XI. He accepts that as the fate of the South African tweaker, who is surrounded by spitting seamers. "I don't think you ever get a vote of confidence as a spinner in South Africa," he said. "When you bowl behind No. 1 and 2 Test ranked bowlers in the world, I don't think eyes are going to light up when Morne Morkel comes in, it will be the poor spinner who gets it."  

But Peterson admitted that, like Lyon, if he is seen as a soft target, it allows him to sneak in under the radar where he can pose a threat of his own. "Sometimes the guys get underestimated and when they are underestimated, that's when they are at their most dangerous," he said. Australia have made no secret of their intention to go after Peterson, which does not worry him. They tried it in Perth, India tried in Durban and the result was wickets for Peterson. 

Should something similar happen in this series, Peterson hopes both he and Lyon can bank on a healthy haul. "I'm sure Nathan Lyon and myself would like to go unnoticed and pick up our two or three wickets each match but we also know at some point we'll have to make an impact." 

The second and third Tests will be played in Port Elizabeth and Cape Town, two venues where spinners could play a bigger part than usual because of the nature of the pitches. St George's Park may be slow and low while Cape Town has been the best venue for spinners in South Africa recently, with Saeed Ajmal claiming 10 wickets in a Test there last summer. 

Peterson predicts those are the two venues where he could come to the fore but has not ruled out Centurion as a place where he could perform too. "Sometimes the wicket looks green but there is a bit of moisture and there can be variation as well for spinners," he said. 

Last Thursday, six days before the first Test, Australia had their first practice at SuperSport Park and noted the pitch was almost indistinguishable from the outfield in colour. Today, three days ahead of kickoff, it was there but it was still quite green. 

The Centurion surface is often a bright shade before the match and has a healthy covering of grass but that does not mean it will only be a seamer's paradise. It is also the pitch Paul Harris and Imran Tahir bowled in tandem for the Titans on, in a season where they won a first-class competition, so they may be a bit for everyone. 

A bit is all Peterson says he needs. "When you play in South Africa, you get accustomed to the wickets not really turning, so you try and create pressure with your field placings," he said. "I don't think your game plan ever changes as a spinner. You look to turn the ball hard and land it in the right place and if the batsman tries to hit you for six, that's his problem but if he runs past it, happy days for me." 

Even though Peterson has high hopes for both himself and Lyon in the series, he does not think Australia will risk going into the first Test with two spinners now that Shane Watson has been ruled out. "I think they'll go for the allrounder," he said. "You don't want to leave yourself short in South Africa.

"If you only have three seamers and one breaks down, you could end up short. It's a massive blow for them to lose Shane. He is a guy that can take the game away with bat or ball but we know whoever replaces him will be up for it. If you're being selected in an Australian Test squad, you should be able to step up." 

That's almost exactly the words Lyon used about Peterson. "If you're playing Test cricket, you must be doing something right." Peterson would agree.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • ModernUmpiresPlz on February 11, 2014, 11:19 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK Wow... way to completely miss the point of the comment you were responding to. Do you really think the SA tail is going to hammer Johnson? He never mentioned anything about Lyon, it was about the way the English tail handled Mitch, and yes, England's tail was previously notorious for hanging around. Compared to what India were offering to SA recently Mitch is on a whole 'nother level. The SA tail is going to be hopping around the way the English tail did, the only real question is how well the SA top order handles the Aussie bowling attack and whether Australia can bat half decently(definitely the biggest question mark).

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 10, 2014, 23:17 GMT

    @Ralf Foley (post on February 10, 2014, 14:37 GMT): I wouldn't use either Broad or Prior as benchmarks here. Prior was in horrific form and mostly got out to leg-side half-trackers from Lyon; Broad should not be classed as an all-rounder in my opinion as he generally contributes as much with the bat as Chris Rogers does with the ball in hand...

  • on February 10, 2014, 14:37 GMT

    Bowling allrounders like McLaren, Peterson, Parnell and Kleinveldt will be reduced to pure bowling tailenders when they face Johnson. This is what he did to Broad and Prior from England. Plus we have Duminy at 6 with a batting average of 6. I am a little worried about this series.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on February 10, 2014, 11:18 GMT

    The problem we have with R.Peterson and Tahir is that they are both very expensive in Test matches. Unfortunately there is no quality or even holding spinner available in the country.

    Tahir is actually a better and more effective short version spinner than Peterson. The last time R.Peterson completed a 10 over spell was in the 1990's.

    So why even bother having a spinner? Well you have to because of over rates. With 4 seamers operating you will get penalized to kingdom come. A spinner has to be used to quicken the rate. Thats why SA should just use JP Duminy instead, whos record is not that far off Peterson's anyway.

  • soviet-cricket on February 10, 2014, 10:52 GMT

    @Marktc even if tahir is better than peterson at strike rate, at least we have a batsman in peterson or allrounder

  • Marktc on February 10, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    In my opinion, Tahir is a better spinner that RP, but he does give away too may runs. The Oz team are not one you just give runs to and expect to bounce back. Like SA, they fight to the last ball. JR also offers a batsman and a fielder, not either I would give a tick to Tahir for.

  • wanatawu on February 10, 2014, 9:03 GMT

    Robbie P can still claim to be the last bowler to get legenday batsman Ricky Pionting in a test. You can be that bad when did a wicket like that

  • on February 10, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    Basil 777 you got one comment really right. Tahir as a spin bowler is miles superior to Peterson. Shockingly treated by selectors and Smith. The Proteas want a Paul Harris who keeps the runs down and gives the fast bowlers a rest. As for Peterson playing one dayers for Proteas, he has not completed 10 overs in I dont know how long, averaging 6 an over. It's a joke.

  • dunger.bob on February 10, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    Hopefully we won't be underestimating anyone, least of all the spinner. Our record against spin in recent years isn't all that bright and shiny. I've no doubt they'll try to thump him, that's what they do, but it would be a mistake to do that willy nilly. Some selective slaughter is what's needed.

    I agree the spinners have a role to play in this series and both teams need to treat each ball on it's merit. At this stage reputations mean nothing. Only performance counts.

  • Basil777 on February 10, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    As a Protea fan; I think when it comes to batting; character and experience Robin Petersen is a better spinner than Immie.; but Immie for is still my my first choice when it comes to the spinning. SA cricket has this conservative approach to cricket that bugs the hell out of me. We will rather draw a test then going for the kill.

    Smith must learn how to use the spinner effectively; he cant bowl a spinner on the first day of the test ;when batsman are set. The spinner gets blamed for the captain's poor decision making.Robin should play ODI and T20 ; Tahir should play test in my books

  • ModernUmpiresPlz on February 11, 2014, 11:19 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK Wow... way to completely miss the point of the comment you were responding to. Do you really think the SA tail is going to hammer Johnson? He never mentioned anything about Lyon, it was about the way the English tail handled Mitch, and yes, England's tail was previously notorious for hanging around. Compared to what India were offering to SA recently Mitch is on a whole 'nother level. The SA tail is going to be hopping around the way the English tail did, the only real question is how well the SA top order handles the Aussie bowling attack and whether Australia can bat half decently(definitely the biggest question mark).

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 10, 2014, 23:17 GMT

    @Ralf Foley (post on February 10, 2014, 14:37 GMT): I wouldn't use either Broad or Prior as benchmarks here. Prior was in horrific form and mostly got out to leg-side half-trackers from Lyon; Broad should not be classed as an all-rounder in my opinion as he generally contributes as much with the bat as Chris Rogers does with the ball in hand...

  • on February 10, 2014, 14:37 GMT

    Bowling allrounders like McLaren, Peterson, Parnell and Kleinveldt will be reduced to pure bowling tailenders when they face Johnson. This is what he did to Broad and Prior from England. Plus we have Duminy at 6 with a batting average of 6. I am a little worried about this series.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on February 10, 2014, 11:18 GMT

    The problem we have with R.Peterson and Tahir is that they are both very expensive in Test matches. Unfortunately there is no quality or even holding spinner available in the country.

    Tahir is actually a better and more effective short version spinner than Peterson. The last time R.Peterson completed a 10 over spell was in the 1990's.

    So why even bother having a spinner? Well you have to because of over rates. With 4 seamers operating you will get penalized to kingdom come. A spinner has to be used to quicken the rate. Thats why SA should just use JP Duminy instead, whos record is not that far off Peterson's anyway.

  • soviet-cricket on February 10, 2014, 10:52 GMT

    @Marktc even if tahir is better than peterson at strike rate, at least we have a batsman in peterson or allrounder

  • Marktc on February 10, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    In my opinion, Tahir is a better spinner that RP, but he does give away too may runs. The Oz team are not one you just give runs to and expect to bounce back. Like SA, they fight to the last ball. JR also offers a batsman and a fielder, not either I would give a tick to Tahir for.

  • wanatawu on February 10, 2014, 9:03 GMT

    Robbie P can still claim to be the last bowler to get legenday batsman Ricky Pionting in a test. You can be that bad when did a wicket like that

  • on February 10, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    Basil 777 you got one comment really right. Tahir as a spin bowler is miles superior to Peterson. Shockingly treated by selectors and Smith. The Proteas want a Paul Harris who keeps the runs down and gives the fast bowlers a rest. As for Peterson playing one dayers for Proteas, he has not completed 10 overs in I dont know how long, averaging 6 an over. It's a joke.

  • dunger.bob on February 10, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    Hopefully we won't be underestimating anyone, least of all the spinner. Our record against spin in recent years isn't all that bright and shiny. I've no doubt they'll try to thump him, that's what they do, but it would be a mistake to do that willy nilly. Some selective slaughter is what's needed.

    I agree the spinners have a role to play in this series and both teams need to treat each ball on it's merit. At this stage reputations mean nothing. Only performance counts.

  • Basil777 on February 10, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    As a Protea fan; I think when it comes to batting; character and experience Robin Petersen is a better spinner than Immie.; but Immie for is still my my first choice when it comes to the spinning. SA cricket has this conservative approach to cricket that bugs the hell out of me. We will rather draw a test then going for the kill.

    Smith must learn how to use the spinner effectively; he cant bowl a spinner on the first day of the test ;when batsman are set. The spinner gets blamed for the captain's poor decision making.Robin should play ODI and T20 ; Tahir should play test in my books

  • on February 10, 2014, 5:26 GMT

    I think the first test in centurion should not include a spinner but in georges park perhaps both robby and tahir should be called upon especially if we win the first test. Lets back our spinners , where we choose to drop Duminy in that game.

    Team for the first test : Graeme Smith , De kock (keeper) , Amla , FAF , AB devilliers(keeper) , Duminy(spin option) ,Wayne Parnel or hendricks ;-) , Philander , Morkel , Steyn. , 12 man tsolekile

    Second test (georges park) : Graeme Smith , De kock (keeper) , Amla , FAF , AB devilliers(keeper) , Robby petersen, Philander , Morkel , Steyn, Tahir , 12 man tsolekile/dean edgar

    This is a slightly tweaker team but it will be a great team...Alviro petersen should be dropped~!

    Future prospects such as kyle abbot , hendricks ,merchant etc should be touring

  • Amol_Gh on February 10, 2014, 2:55 GMT

    I remember how absolutely greatly he played in the World Cup 2011. Now he has to show the same dedication in this particular Test series.

  • on February 10, 2014, 0:05 GMT

    Peterson is a superior option to Tahir who gives up a boundary at least once an over with his inability to control his length. It seemed the Aussies used Lyon as a foil for their quicks in the Ashes to keep one end tight which resulted in Johnson, Siddle, Harris taking wickets up the other end. If RSA can do the same and have Peterson try to keep the Australian batsmen from scoring, then I'd back Steyn, Morkel and Philander to bowl them out with Peterson snaring a wicket or two.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 9, 2014, 21:42 GMT

    Such a big difference in the personalities of the fast bowlers and the, errr, spinners (well, you know what I mean - the bowlers that take the pace off the ball). Many England supporters underestimated what Lyon could do at home in Australia during the Ashes; who knows - maybe it's folly to underestimate the roles of the spinners during this upcoming series as well. I've always considered at least one spinner absolutely essential in tests, regardless of country/pitch/conditions etc. The thing about taking the pace off the ball is that the batsmen has to generate his own to try and score. This not only uses up energy and concentration, but creates pressure and increased risk for batsmen. Underestimate Peterson at your peril Australia...

  • djdrastic on February 9, 2014, 21:10 GMT

    Like Tommy I hope we can find a proper test spinner or high quality spin allrounder in the future.

    Our spin stocks now are basically a leg spinner that has trouble landing a ball on the wicket and a slow left armer that bats better than he bowls (And he ain't that great a bat).

  • on February 9, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    Its gona be a good match!

  • GermanPlayer on February 9, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    I have to say that sometimes Peterson seems the most comfortable of the SA batsmen out there. As far as his bowling is concerned, its quite near pathetic i'd say but then he isn't replacing a Shane Warne or a Murali in the team! Among the SA spinners in the near history, he certainly ranks among the good ones!

  • on February 9, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    Nathan is a better bowler with a great orthodox action but Robin Pietersen can contribute significantly with the bat and in a series dominated by bowlers, perhaps an extra bat won't hurt for SA.

  • Testcricketistop on February 9, 2014, 14:38 GMT

    Jay, the second test at St George's Park would be good conditions for Peterson.

  • on February 9, 2014, 14:13 GMT

    Can a local please tell me weather conditions last summer compared to this summer where sawed Amal claimed 10 wickets

  • TommytuckerSaffa on February 9, 2014, 14:03 GMT

    Australia will have no problem in carting him over the long-on boundary. Weak Test spinner, god I hope we find a decent one soon.

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  • TommytuckerSaffa on February 9, 2014, 14:03 GMT

    Australia will have no problem in carting him over the long-on boundary. Weak Test spinner, god I hope we find a decent one soon.

  • on February 9, 2014, 14:13 GMT

    Can a local please tell me weather conditions last summer compared to this summer where sawed Amal claimed 10 wickets

  • Testcricketistop on February 9, 2014, 14:38 GMT

    Jay, the second test at St George's Park would be good conditions for Peterson.

  • on February 9, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    Nathan is a better bowler with a great orthodox action but Robin Pietersen can contribute significantly with the bat and in a series dominated by bowlers, perhaps an extra bat won't hurt for SA.

  • GermanPlayer on February 9, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    I have to say that sometimes Peterson seems the most comfortable of the SA batsmen out there. As far as his bowling is concerned, its quite near pathetic i'd say but then he isn't replacing a Shane Warne or a Murali in the team! Among the SA spinners in the near history, he certainly ranks among the good ones!

  • on February 9, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    Its gona be a good match!

  • djdrastic on February 9, 2014, 21:10 GMT

    Like Tommy I hope we can find a proper test spinner or high quality spin allrounder in the future.

    Our spin stocks now are basically a leg spinner that has trouble landing a ball on the wicket and a slow left armer that bats better than he bowls (And he ain't that great a bat).

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on February 9, 2014, 21:42 GMT

    Such a big difference in the personalities of the fast bowlers and the, errr, spinners (well, you know what I mean - the bowlers that take the pace off the ball). Many England supporters underestimated what Lyon could do at home in Australia during the Ashes; who knows - maybe it's folly to underestimate the roles of the spinners during this upcoming series as well. I've always considered at least one spinner absolutely essential in tests, regardless of country/pitch/conditions etc. The thing about taking the pace off the ball is that the batsmen has to generate his own to try and score. This not only uses up energy and concentration, but creates pressure and increased risk for batsmen. Underestimate Peterson at your peril Australia...

  • on February 10, 2014, 0:05 GMT

    Peterson is a superior option to Tahir who gives up a boundary at least once an over with his inability to control his length. It seemed the Aussies used Lyon as a foil for their quicks in the Ashes to keep one end tight which resulted in Johnson, Siddle, Harris taking wickets up the other end. If RSA can do the same and have Peterson try to keep the Australian batsmen from scoring, then I'd back Steyn, Morkel and Philander to bowl them out with Peterson snaring a wicket or two.

  • Amol_Gh on February 10, 2014, 2:55 GMT

    I remember how absolutely greatly he played in the World Cup 2011. Now he has to show the same dedication in this particular Test series.