South Africa v Australia, 2nd Test, Port Elizabeth

Feisty or Fast: SA undecided on No. 7

Firdose Moonda

February 18, 2014

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Allan Donald passes on some tips to Wayne Parnell, Port Elizabeth, February 18, 2014
"Wayne has been bowling quickly and he is also left-arm so it's a nice option for us," Morne Morkel said © Getty Images
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South Africa will have to choose between feisty and fast for the second Test against Australia in Port Elizabeth. With Ryan McLaren ruled out with concussion, the No.7 spot has opened up again and it seems one of Wayne Parnell or Dean Elgar will be asked to fill it. 

Peter Siddle expects it to be Parnell, who he thought to be next in line. Others in the Australia camp have indicated they think South Africa would add a specialist batsman to their XI. And South Africa themselves still seem undecided. 

"Wayne has been bowling quickly and he is also left-arm so it's a nice option for us," Morne Morkel said. "And Dean is like a staffie. He is tough as nails. If he gets the nod, he will be up for it but I'm as excited as you to see who they go for." 

Essentially, the choice is between a bowling allrounder or a specialist batsmen but Hugh Page, a former selector, believes they could both be included, at the expense of Robin Peterson.  "I would like to have four seamers and make JP Duminy the main spinner. Then you have Parnell for McLaren and a specialist batsmen," Page told ESPNcricinfo. 

Although Page's first-choice for the batting job would be Quinton de Kock, South Africa's selectors will work within the parameters of the squad which leaves Elgar as their only choice. 

"We need to have a good partnership to see how Australia's bowlers respond after spending a long time in the field," Page said. "The only batsmen who really showed they can play quick bowling in Centurion were Hashim Amla, AB de Villiers and then Vernon Philander." 

With Philander's batting earning the praise of both Page and former convener of selectors Mike Procter, the voices are growing louder for him to become South Africa's allrounder. Page was involved with selection when Philander first came through and said he remembers him being "a genuine allrounder, who then got picked on bowling, so that became his focus."  

But beyond his skills, Page said Philander's attitude is what stood out for him. "We should get him up the order because it's not in his nature to run away from anyone," he said. "When you're playing Australia, you've got to have a few street-fighters in your side because Australia are bullies and they can get on top of you, you have to people who can counter that. You can't go to a gunfight with a pellet gun." 

Parnell, despite worries over inconsistency, is seen as having a similarly strong persona, which combined with his pace would lead Page to put him in the XI. "He'll bring some variation because he is a left-armer and if he gets it right, he could be really good." 

What South Africa are looking for is someone who can "front up" as Morne Morkel described it and show some heart.  For that reason, Elgar is too often dismissed and talk of the pair he picked up on debut in Perth begins again. But Morkel indicated Elgar has a fair amount of fight in him to have got past that, just as South Africa have moved on from the Mitchell Johnson treatment of last week. 

"We had a meeting today and it was very productive session," Morkel said. "We are the No.1 team in the world and its important to stand up and react to what happened last weekend. We know its going to be tough. We just have clarity in our minds."

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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Posted by Greatest_Game on (February 19, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

This bizarre Morkel bashing is out of hand. Lots of commenters here, with NO STATS TO BACK THEM UP! Just opinions, which we all have, & most stink.

Look through all the test matches SA has played in the last 2 years. You will be surprised to see how many times Morkel has been the best bowler. E.G. 1st match against India at the Wanderers. Look at Morkels figs before he was injured. By far the best bowler. Steyn was miserable.

In THAT test in Adelaide. Who was SA's best bowler - Morne Morkel.

Basin Reserve, Wellington March 2012 - SA trying to win the match & series as NZ bat out their 2nd inns: Morkel took 6/29. NO OTHER SA BOWLER TOOK A WICKET. The match was a draw. SA would have topped the ICC rankings if they won.

UAE 2010/2011 - who was better, Steyn or Morkel? Surprise, Morkel!

I am not a Morkel fan. However, I am much less a fan of those who spout off derogatory opinions without any facts to back them up. Talk is cheap. Before you demean the man - DO THE RESEARCH

Posted by Greatest_Game on (February 19, 2014, 21:50 GMT)

@ ZCFOutkast wrote "You guys are missing the trick here. The guy who most needs to be dropped, more than Alviro, Faf, JP, RobbieP&Mclaren etc is "Morne Morkel". I'm sorry but he is far from good enough nowadays. Way past his sell by date. How on earth he has survived the chop for so long only Smith, Hudson, Donald&AB know!"

ZCFOutkast. Take a look at the bowling figures of all the SA bowlers during the 1st home test against India - the Wanderers test. Who was, by far, the best SA bowler? Answer - Morne Morkel.

He was SA's best in THAT Adelaide test, in the UAE, etc etc. Fact is, when the wickets come easy, Philander & Steyn pile them up. When the going is tough, when conditions don't suit them, Morkel makes the breakthroughs, & takes wickets. I'm not pretending the is the second coming of Mike Proctor, but he is way undervalued, & much much more reliable than Lopsy. Your problem with Morkel is not cricket based, but rather his heritage.

Posted by mattp on (February 19, 2014, 11:56 GMT)

My vote is for Abbot. Much closer replacement for Kallis in my opinion. Remember they picked Kallis when he was young (19), and I think Abbot deserves the same opportunity. His figures were good in the 1 test he played.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 11:11 GMT)

Ok who is gonna get kicked; Both Peterson's and JP Dumminy. Quinton De Cock, Imran Tahir, Wayne Parnell and Dean Elgar need to be in the playing 11. 1.Graeme Smith 2.Dean Elgar 3.Hashim Amla 4.AB Devilliers 5.Faf Du Plesis 6.Quinton De Cock(wk) 7.Wayne Parnell 8.Vernon Philander 9.Dale Steyn 10.Morne Morkel 11.Imran Tahir.

Posted by NALINWIJ on (February 19, 2014, 9:49 GMT)

Both PETERSENs performed poorly in last test. AB was struggling with his hand with wicket keeping and MacLaren is injured. Picking Quinton de Cock is an absolute must as a wicket keeper batsman and the next question is whether the pitch is helpful for spinners and if so does SA have a useful spinner. only spinner in SA who could win a match is Imran Tahir who is bearing scars of Adelaide. If and only if SA consider not bothering with spin I will take 4 seamers including Parnel, De cock as wicketkeeper batsman and pick one of the Petersens. Robin if an additional spinner may be handy or Alviro if not. This will determine where De Cock bats. I had a conspiracy theory in 2003 world cup when I thought SA were hoping INDIA or SL were going to ambush Australia in Port Elizabeth with spin but Australia survived and won the WC.

Posted by JBDV on (February 19, 2014, 9:07 GMT)

@Jagger. McClaren dropped? Thought he was injured? Two reasons for de Kock,

Having AB bat at 4, for hes our best batsmen, also the best in the world. So relieving him from the gloves to do so. Then by replacing Peterson and McClaren, if you would like to say so with Parnell as hes our next in line paceman in the squad must be a stronger choice in this situation. This must be a stronger team than the first test XI? Anyway, Duminy is a underated bowler and by giving him the role as wel,l will only be good for the bloke.


Posted by Jagger on (February 19, 2014, 8:30 GMT)

It looks like most South African supporters think the best way for Duminy to rediscover form is to bowl feeble tweakers and get smashed around the park, and make their 3rd drop keep wicket for three tests. Then to sack Petersen and McLaren, who both took more wickets than Philander and Morkel.

Evidently the way to a better side is the unconventional way in South Africa.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (February 19, 2014, 7:09 GMT)

@dunger.bob The best excuse was that the English team is too old. Despite being significantly younger than the Australian team in all departments.

Posted by dunger.bob on (February 19, 2014, 6:32 GMT)

@ chicko1983: Some very interesting stats you posted re the number of overs bowled in the Ashes. Very interesting indeed. Why then did the Englishmen look like they'd been through hell just before stepping into something much worse and our guys looked as fresh as foals on a crisp winter morning? .. I'll tell you why. Bowlings a hell of a lot more fun if you're taking wickets instead of getting belted from pillar to post.

Posted by JBDV on (February 19, 2014, 6:07 GMT)

My team for PE:

Peterson, Smith, Amla, AB, Faf, Duminy (spin), de Kock (wk), Philander, Parnell, Steyn, Morkel.

Go Proteas, you can do it!!!!!!!


Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (February 19, 2014, 5:57 GMT)

@Lawton Ratnam Good idea. We can just cancel all cricket around the world except for India where trying to bowl a bouncer is a waste of energy anyway. Who needs it?

Posted by Shaggy076 on (February 19, 2014, 4:20 GMT)

Lauchlan McCutcheon; We performed badly in India but of 8 of the players that played the first test they played 6 tests collective in India - so the team is completely different. We had one very poor game in England but the rest we were pretty good but just short of that confidence to win games (and subsequently when in winning positions we would let the games slip) which we seem to have that confidence now. Even through our rebuilding stage we have always been competitive against South Africa. In summary I don't believe we have ever been ordinary. Please bring on that short stuff, I think you will find Morkel and Steyn bowled as many short ones in the first test as Mitch did, if you want to bring that game on Mitch can bat and you could very well go in for another spanking. I think it would be better for your guys to concentrate on our weakness, full pitch 4th stump line moving the ball away than banging it into our strength.

Posted by Gurudumu on (February 19, 2014, 4:15 GMT)

Petersen should be replaced by QDK McLaren should be replaced by Abbot/Parnell

SA will not do that, instead they will bring in Elgar for McLaren and Parnell for Peterson ..a sad state of affairs. If they choose the latter, they are surely at the beginning of a downward spiral.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (February 19, 2014, 3:52 GMT)

@ ZCFOutkast on tries another con. "The guy who most needs to be dropped… is Morne Morkel...We have an accomplished & world class new ball bowler in Lonwabo Tsotsobe"

Are you trying to fool us??? You conveniently ignore the FACT that Morkel has better career figures that Tsotsobe in EVERY format except, interestingly, Lonwabo has a slight edge in 1st class - probably as most of his 1st class matches are domestic, not test.

Below are their respective test & ODI figures. Note that Morkel is superior in Ave & SR, & their econ is almost identical.

Tests (Ave, Econ, SR) Morkel - 30.35, 3.1, 57.3. Tsotsobe - 49.77, 3.08, 96.6 ODI. Morkel 23.54, 4.78, 29.5. Tsotsobe 24.96, 4.75, 31.5.

I do not have the time to copy and paste all their figs, so below are the links. Do some research - it will be a new & exciting experience for you.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 3:45 GMT)

Bowlers targeting head or body above chest high of batsmen is "body line". This should be eradicated before someone is killed.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 3:03 GMT)

parnell is AWFUL. wherei s kyle abbot????

Posted by Atifkhan3489 on (February 19, 2014, 2:41 GMT)

1) smith 2)peterson 3)amla 4)faf 5)ABD 6)QDecock 7)duminy 8)philender 9)hendricks 10)steyn 11)abbott

Posted by Meety on (February 19, 2014, 2:22 GMT)

Dunno if Elgar & Parnell are the best of selections. Elgar is in cricketing terms still young, but a pair against Oz at the WACA - with both wickets falling to - you guessed it MJ! Superficially not a good idea IMO - a recipe for disaster. As for Parnell, I think a left hand option is ideal, but he should be one of the FOUR best bowlers available - is he? He has a fairly modest FC career (average 32+ & S/R 58). He also appears (like a lot of Ozzy cricketers) to be a victim of 20/20 cricket in that he has not played red ball cricket since before Xmas! Surely there has to be other options? I wouldn't play 4 pacers if I was a selector (even allowing for the fact I am Ozzy), but a left hand pacer makes it a bit more do-able. Petersen is not a great spinner, but if he can tie up an end, SA will be formidable. Could be proven wrong - but IMO Parnell will be under done!

Posted by Mr.CricketJKNotHussey on (February 19, 2014, 2:18 GMT)

@ZCFOutkast Morkel does seem to be a bit out of sorts but he is still a better Test bowler than Tsotsobe. He can bowl fast and his bouncers provide good contrast to Philander's seam and Steyn's pace. If he were to be replaced, Abbot or Hendricks might be considered. But considering the squad that has been picked for this tour, SA don't have any of those choices. The best they can do is bring Parnell in for Mclaren and drop R. Petersen for Dean Elgar.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2014, 2:09 GMT)

SA definitely needs a good spinner. everything looks fine. Johnson was too good for them. its gonna be the toughest battle for smith and co. if they don't give wk to Mitch they might win the match. they need to leave his ball as many as possible.

Posted by LoungeChairCritic on (February 19, 2014, 1:02 GMT)

My gut feeling is that SA will play both Parnell and Elgar for Peterson and McClaren. They will want to bat long and keep oz out in the field for as long as they can. As an Oz supporter I hope McClaren has a speedy recovery and gets back to Test cricket. Unfortunately he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Peterson is a handy short form cricketer but I don't think he can do a holding role in this series. The Saffers need someone to keep it tight and get through the over's quickly. Expect Oz to target Duminy. SA are a tough side but spin bowling is their weakness. My gut feeling is that they will try and juice up the wicket a tad to help their seamers.

Posted by chicko1983 on (February 19, 2014, 0:26 GMT)

Just waiting for the Aussie bowlers to tire wont work. In the recent Ashes, in terms of the most overs bowled was the following: Anderson (190.3), Johnson (188.4), Lyon (176.2), Harris (166.2), Broad (161.5),and Siddle (156.4). So they bowled more as group than the English did (because they took all 100 wickets on offer), and that was over five tests and they didnt lose pace at all. Not only are they the best attack in the world, they are the most fit and you will not bore them to death by leaving them.

Posted by SamWintson92 on (February 18, 2014, 23:26 GMT)

Robin Peterson should also be dropped. Both Elgar & Parnell should be included. I agree Duminy, Elgar & Du Plessis can form the spin department & can do a way better job than R Peterson. Plus part-timer Duminy has always been more effective than specialist R Peterson.

So, that makes SOU XI for 2ns test like this: 1 A Peterson 2 Smith (C) 3 Amla 4 De Villiers (WK) 5 Du Plessis 6 Duminy 7 Elgar 8 Parnell 9 Philander 10 M Morkel 11 Steyn

Posted by mike_b on (February 18, 2014, 22:59 GMT)

I can't understand why the Saffers keep playing Robin Peterson. Every team wants a spinner of course, but he has to be Test standard otherwise you're just playing with 10 men! SA should play their top 4 bowlers and if that doesn't include a spinner then so be it. Play to your strengths - an old saying! Duminy can roll some overs out which are about the same standard as Peterson anyway. I reckon a good way of thinking when selecting a team is to ask "who do the opposition want us to select & who don't they want to play against?" I can guarantee that Aust WANT to see R.Peterson in the SA team! If I were a SA fan I'd like to see both Petersons dropped (Alviro will NOT score runs against this Aussie attack-he simply isn't good enough). 1/Smith 2/de Koch 3/Amla 4/Faf 5/AB 6/Elgar 7/J.P. 8/Abbot or Parnell 9/Vernon 10/Steyn 11/ Morkel That's how I'd pick it but then I'm an Aussie & don't really care that much which way the SA selectors choose to go!

Posted by MrDravid on (February 18, 2014, 22:45 GMT)

What ever happened to preparing a good cricket wicket?

I'm sorry, I can't prepare the wicket yet, cos I have to talk to the South African team and doctor it to their wishes.

Maybe Smith can ask for a flat, slow wicket so he can score some runs against Johnson?

Posted by Shongololo on (February 18, 2014, 22:45 GMT)

I think this article confirms beyond doubt that the selectors will not look beyond the current squad when they announce their side for St George's Park, so we're rather snookered - no B Hendricks, no Abbott, no de Kock, no van Zyl. The best we can hope for, I think, is a line-up with Smith and Peterson opening, followed by Hash, AB, Faf, Elgar and Duminy, leaving Parnell - God, I hope he comes good as he has enormous potential, sadly seldom delivers (just like the Mitch Johnson of old!) - Vern, Dale and Morne to fill the lower order and tail. Elgar, JP and Faf the all-rolled-into-one spinner...collectively offer far more than R.Peterson with ball, not to mention bat. Can we dare to hope that after this series, the selectors and powers that be will be prompted to pick a squad on merit - which means class and form?

Posted by tenrec on (February 18, 2014, 22:26 GMT)

Bowlers win matches. You look at Australia's rise and though the batsmen have done some amazing things we all know it is the summer of Johnson and co. Totally agree with Stormy16. SA have to pick the best bowling side.

As for batsmen - you have to go on form, or that special something the selectors see. I can't see why you'd protect somebody like De Kok. Look at Centurion - Doolan's first test and Marsh resurrected - hardly great history and if you were protecting someone they'd have never played again No.1 team in the world with No.1 and No. 2 bowlers. Instead they both played vital hands. Pick the best - Australia learned that the hard way.

As for No.1 and No.2 team talk - that's all a distraction. It's all about who's in form and SA have to be very careful to avoid making excuses and hiding behind previous form. Both teams played on the same pitch. Sure SA dropped a lot of catches, but surely that's about form as well.

If SA don't stand up at PE they're shot ducks.

Posted by Adoh on (February 18, 2014, 22:21 GMT)

I love the 'matter of fact' way that Page states "because Australia are bullies ". Bullying is not applicable to the sporting field. Strategic combative behaviours like intimidation are entirely acceptable. The Australians are targeted by the media and opposition fans who are not privvy to all that happens on the field when the microphones are turned down. I can't recall a single test match where I didn't see both sides engage in some form of intimidation that would be considered unacceptable off the field. So once again, nice try with the broad brush, hope it makes Page fell better, it certainly won't make SA more skillful.

Posted by Kappa69 on (February 18, 2014, 19:54 GMT)

my team, 1. Smith 2. petersen 3.amla 4.faf 5.ab 7.elgar 9)Philander 10)Steyn 11) Morkal.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (February 18, 2014, 19:33 GMT)

@LegSpinBowlr I wonder about that too. From the comments I've heard they're trying to protect him because he's young rather than seeing this as an opportunity for him to gain valuable experience against a serious bowling attack. Also, if you had him replacing Alviro you wouldn't want him taking over the wicket keeping completely but you could have him do some of the wicket keeping to give AB a break to stand at slip or run around in the field a bit. At least AB wouldn't have to focus on EVERY ball in EVERY innings with the bat and in the field. Looked like he was keeping to Steyn without much trouble in the one dayers against India. Maybe AB could have another bowl. That was fun to watch and I'm not even South African.

Posted by Dale_Pain on (February 18, 2014, 19:24 GMT)

I would also drop Robbie P. I think Duminy, Elgar and du Plessis can cover the spin options between them.

Posted by LegSpinBowlr on (February 18, 2014, 19:06 GMT)

why dont they play De Kok ? He's a very good batsman and a handy Wicket keeper. They can play Parnell and De kok

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 18:52 GMT)

it should be parnell at no8 after mclaren injury, and elgar/de kock instead of rob ptrsn, three right arm fast bowlers and one left arm will give them a varity in attack

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 18:46 GMT)

my 11 1]smith,2])Quentin,3]amla,4]ab,5]duminy,6]Faf, 7]parnell,8]robin,9]Philander 10]styn,11]morkel

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 18:40 GMT)

Is ZFCOutkast a parody account? Tsotsobe over Morkel? Hmm let me see 9 test wickets at an average of almost 50 and who embarrassed himself in the English County Second Division (of course it wasn't his fault - it never is with failures like him).

Or you go with a tried and trusted bowler like Morkel. 184 wickets@30. 20 years ago an average like that would have been nothing to write home about, but not many bowlers average significantly less than 30 these days for a variety of reasons. More of a batsman's game these days. Morne is still an integral part of the SA team and a fine foil for Steyn and Philander.

Honestly, some of the nonsense written here beggars belief.

Posted by stormy16 on (February 18, 2014, 17:59 GMT)

For the last time there is only ONE formula thats worked for all the great teams, 7 batters 4 bowlers. The best bowler in SA after the Steyn, Vern and Morkel is Abbot NOT Parnel. I dont see Robin spinning SA to a win so its got to be 4 seamers backed up by JP and Elgar. You can play 6 batters on a batting friendly wicket where the extra bowler could win you the game. Also Alviro and JP are dodgy so you can't really afford to go in with 6 batters.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (February 18, 2014, 17:43 GMT)

@Lauchlan McCutcheon It's actually not the same team... and even when we were performing poorly it wasn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. Yes, we lost a lot of test matches in a row. 4 were in India with the worst test team I can remember ever with Maxwell, Doherty and Wade. And some others who weren't much better. That was poor, I admit, but over half the team is different now. Maxwell in a test team is pretty hilarious though. The 3 in England there was only 1 where we got properly smashed the other 2 were close and very very close. Even against SA with a struggling team we didn't do horribly, you didn't smash us comprehensively.

Also, Mitch can bat pretty well. Morne could probably hit him if he tried but I don't think Steyn is threatening enough at the shorter lengths. His best game is to pitch the ball up, everybody knows that.

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (February 18, 2014, 17:39 GMT)

You guys are missing the trick here. The guy who most needs to be dropped, more than Alviro, Faf, JP, RobbieP&Mclaren etc is "Morne Morkel". I'm sorry but he is far from good enough nowadays. Way past his sell by date. How on earth he has survived the chop for so long only Smith, Hudson, Donald&AB know!

We have an accomplished&world class new ball bowler in Lonwabo Tsotsobe, who can give Warner, Marsh&Rogers multiple headaches, but for some reason he continues to be ignored. It's days like this where we need someone to step up and share the new ball with Steyn if Philander isn't firing but but who do we have lazing around the boundary - Morkel! Let Marsh&Warner continue to spank him around!

Posted by HarrowXI on (February 18, 2014, 17:21 GMT)

1)Quentin 2)Smith 3)Amla 4)AB 5)JP 6)Faf 7)Elger 8)Parnel 9)Philander 10)Steyn 11) Morkal.

4 quick bowlers 2 part time spiners of Elger and JP. Dynamic opner Quentin and AB & Amla at Number 3 and 4. Get a Keeping role from AB move him up the order.

Bring it on Johnson.

Posted by Jimmyvida on (February 18, 2014, 17:09 GMT)

All teams seem to have this problem. They play India. They believe that all who do well against India are good for the team. Wrong.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 17:07 GMT)

Specialist batsman and a specialist fast bowler. Simple. And Morne & Steyn...mission- break Mitches fingers with some well aimed short stuff. Lets also remember that this Oz team is the same team that has been performing poorly for some time now. Suddenly one of their bowlers finds a bit of rhythm and the world should tremble in their boots. They are not a even a glimmer of the the Waugh/Ponting era and the entire world knows it. Let them know it too.

Posted by ADARSH100 on (February 18, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

Add up Elgar and Parnell in the expense of Robin. JP can spin along with Elgar too.

Posted by android_user on (February 18, 2014, 17:01 GMT)

I really feel Philander can never be amongst the great fast bowlers. His forte is consistency and the ability to extract the most out of a pitch. But what if there is nothing in the pitch for the bowlers. He simply can not be a match winner in such conditions. The Australians are right to question his ability on flat tracks. Put him on an Indian pitch with no seam movement and he is cannon fodder.

Posted by android_user on (February 18, 2014, 16:59 GMT)

7 batsmen and 3 fast bowlers and spinner has been working for SA because Kallis and Duniny has carrying the spinner. It is time the selectors are brave enough to select the best bowlers regardless if they are fast or spin. While Kallis was not scoring as many runs and taking as many wickets as he used to, he did the holding job with odd wicket that was expected of the spinner. While Kallis wont be missed as much because of his lean run with the bat the past 2 seasons his steady 15 overs will be desperately missed meaning Robbie can't be protected anymore. I like Robbie's fighting qualities, but i think he's time has come to end not because of Australia but because of Kallis' retirement.

Posted by steve48 on (February 18, 2014, 16:31 GMT)

Kallis is not replaceable, but South Africa are luckier than almost anyone else in having a genuine, brilliant all rounder already in ABD, and a batsman who can serve as a 5th bowler in Duminy. They simply must pick their best 7 batsmen against pace ( not sure that includes JP actually!) and their best 4 bowlers for the conditions, and hope for the best. Technical adjustment is tough in only a few days, and they don't want to get so consumed with countering Mitch they forget Harris, Siddle and Lyon! Good luck with that!

Posted by android_user on (February 18, 2014, 16:25 GMT)

Albie Morkel could be a good option seeing the fact that he can bat well as well as bowl consistently

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 18, 2014, 16:24 GMT)

Where is Marchant de Lange any body? Rather than continue this England-style rotary-door policy with searching for idealistic all-rounders, I was just thinking (and think a few other posters mentioned in previous threads) that perhaps it would be best to finally put a foot down and go for either a specialist batsman (Quinton de Kock) or a specialist bowler (give some newbie like de Lange if he's fit again a chance to develop). Labelling Philander as a "genuine allrounder" gives me the jitters in much the same way England pretend Broad is a "genuine allrounder"...

Otherwise, would go with Parnell personally, over Elgar.

Posted by   on (February 18, 2014, 16:06 GMT)

If our best batsmen can't handle MJ what point is there to add another batsmen? Rather add a new bowler to help AB. I would have said add Thami but at the moment we will need to burden AB as we lacking firepower on all fronts.

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