India in South Africa 2013-14

A marriage on the rocks

Recent events have fractured what was a harmonious relationship between India and South Africa. While the BCCI has been perceived as flexing its muscles to have its way, CSA has not handled the situation professionally as it could have

Firdose Moonda

September 3, 2013

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Haroon Lorgat speaks to the media after the ICC executive board meeting, Dubai, April 16, 2012
The kernel of the recent friction between the BCCI and CSA appear to boil down to one man: Haroon Lorgat © Getty Images
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There are few break-ups that can be described as completely amicable and few people who can part ways without harbouring some ill feeling. The tensions between the BCCI and Cricket South Africa (CSA) seem to be ending the way the worst separations occur: with broken glass, and burnt bridges. Looking at them now, it's difficult to believe they once romanced each other with the enthusiasm of teenagers but as recently as three years ago, they did.

The Indian and South African cricket boards have had a special association for years, from the time when India were the loudest voice in banning South Africa from international cricket in 1970 - a deserved punishment for the atrocity which was Apartheid - and in welcoming them back in after unity in 1991. They were the first country to host South Africa after readmission and the first to tour these shores.

The 1992-93 series was aptly called the Friendship tour and consisted of four Tests and seven ODIs - almost as long as the one which was proposed for the 2013-14 season. Ali Bacher, who was the South African cricket boss at the time, explained South Africa wanted to host India before anyone else as a "gesture of appreciation," for the role India played in getting South Africa back into the international game.

The real opportunity to pay the BCCI back only came 16 years later and CSA snapped it up. When the general elections in India made the hosting of IPL 2009 impossible in that country, South Africa offered to organise the multi-million dollar event with little more than three weeks' notice.

Gerald Majola, then the CEO of CSA, said it was an opportunity to demonstrate the closeness of the two boards and CSA went all out. They provided staff ranging from administrative assistants to groundsmen, many of whom, such as Wanderers' pitch doctor Chris Scott, had to have leave cancelled as the South African offseason had just begun. CSA helped in contacting partners, hotels, airlines and security personnel, they sold tickets, they marketed the event with even more gusto than they often did with their own and they pulled it off, start to finish, to perfection.

The franchise impact

  • The strained relationship between the BCCI and CSA will affect South African franchises, sponsors and the fans most. The Wanderers has asked and not been given an answer to clarify how the fifth day of their Test against India can be played if it clashed with an ODI India are due to play in New Zealand. Johannesburg's Bullring seems destined to lose out on an India Test for the second tour running if the series is limited to two Tests. For Newlands and Kingsmead there are other worries. The former has put season tickets on sale advertising a T20, ODI and Test, which they have billed as Sachin Tendulkar's 200th, on sale. Not only are they likely to lose one of the limited-overs games but Tendulkar is due to play his milestone match at home and the false advertising could lead to a demand for refunds later on. Kingsmead may miss out on a Boxing Day Test if the Tests happen before the ODIs.
  • And that is before even getting to whether East London's Buffalo Park and Bloemfontein will see India at all. With the series set to be downscaled from seven, the 'smaller grounds' may be back in cricketing wilderness. Given CSA's attempts to build fan bases in this area, that will be a major blow.
  • The same worry extends to sponsors. After the Majola affair, CSA lost all its major corporate backers and had to offer naming rights of series to charity - such as the T20s against Australia at the end of 2011 - or at bargain basement prices - like the deal signed with cooking oil manufacturers Sunfoil for the Test series also that season. As they made commitments to change and better corporate governance, money came back. Last season, CSA had a full house of sponsors and it looks as though they will not get the promised bang for their buck because of fewer fixtures.

It was also that IPL which was the source of CSA's biggest scandal since Hansie Cronje's admission of match-fixing almost a decade earlier. Majola accepted R4.7 million (then US$671,428) in bonuses for him and 39 other staff members but did not pass the money through the CSA board, who had already awarded their employees money for their IPL work.

CSA's auditors discovered the indiscretion in 2010 and what followed was a three-year-long saga that involved a series of investigations into Majola's wrongdoing, intervention by the country's sports minister, withdrawal of all major sponsors and eventually, Majola's sacking.

Through all of that, the BCCI did not have the need to respond. In fact, their dealings with CSA got stronger with the formation of the Champions League T20 - a partnership between the BCCI, Cricket Australia and CSA - and an additional tour.

India asked South Africa to play two Tests in 2010, as part of their quest to hold on to their No.1 ranking. South Africa obliged but won the first Test in Nagpur courtesy a stunning Dale Steyn performance, only to lose the second in Kolkata and set a scintillating contest for the return series later in the year. The quality of cricket played in the 2010-11 summer was some of the highest in recent times and the 1-1 draw left a lot of unfinished business ahead of this season's series, which is now in danger of being severely curtailed.

The kernel of the recent friction between the BCCI and CSA appear to boil down to one man: Haroon Lorgat. The parties locked horns over a variety of issues when Lorgat was the ICC CEO and neither side has been willing to disclose exactly what those are.

When he was appointed as Majola's replacement, Lorgat said he was surprised to learn the BCCI disapproved of it and even threatened CSA with a shortened or cancelled tour. He said he regarded the BCCI as "friends" and would do whatever it took to smooth things over, even if it meant sitting across a table and apologising. His words were reassuring but his actions have not been.

To date, Lorgat has made no plans to visit India and has not even been willing to acknowledge the obvious signs that the series will be affected. CSA's only statement is that they will not respond to speculation and that they have not heard from the BCCI about revisions to the existing itinerary. The financial implications are huge for CSA, who stand to lose out on R175 million if a shortened series happens.

While the BCCI was out of place in trying to dictate internal affairs at CSA and reams have been written about the danger their growing hegemony on world cricket poses. But CSA have not dealt with the situation as professionally as they could have.

CSA have been unwilling to address any of the issues related to a possible reduced itinerary. Instead, they've busied themselves with conferences - a CEO's one last week, a sponsor's forum this week - and given their fans nothing to ease their concerns. While it is understandable that CSA do not have answers yet, it is difficult to fathom why they are ignoring the problem to this extent.

It's clear to even the casual observer that CSA are being pushed around and that it is not right but given India's clout through cash, it is also perhaps unavoidable. Under the radar, there are murmurings of CSA being pushed out of the CLT20. This year's fixtures were released without their consultation and their staff who were due to work at the event in India, have been told their services are not needed. There is also talk of another board being invited to replace CSA.

Should they eventually be displaced, both from the CLT20 and India's plans, the losses will be both financial and cricketing. The CLT20 was one of the franchise's most important sources of earning. CSA make at least four times more money off an India incoming tour than any other. And cricket lovers, judging on the responses on social media, want to see at least three Tests between the two teams this summer. What is obvious is that this is not the time for CSA to resort to the silent treatment.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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Posted by Harmony111 on (September 8, 2013, 22:42 GMT)

@Andre Schutte: Big big lol to you. SA have never agreed for a 3 test series vs India since 1997 when they lost 1-2. The whole of 00s, each time SA came it was only for 2 test series. At the same time, India have toured SA for 3 tests in 00s and in 10s.

Btw, last time India drew the series 1-1 and had a very good chance of winning the 3rd test to win it 2-1.

Now who is afraid and who is not?

Posted by   on (September 8, 2013, 14:11 GMT)

What is happening BCCI? A sudden change with the SA schedule without negotiations. An invite to the WI out of the blue. Fans in SA and around the world were looking forward to India's tour of SA. It had the makings of an exciting series. That is now in jeopardy. Rumours abound the changes are because of Sachin to accommodate yet another of his records by facing easier bowling. All in front of Indian crowds. I doubt Sachin has any part in this insanity This rift could have serious ramifications for international cricket in the future and the BCCI is in the middle of it, as with the Board scandal, the match fixings and other issues. I thought the day of the bully was over. Maybe not.

Posted by   on (September 7, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Mr hillbumper, it is indeed bad to see BCCI behaving the way it is and it is uncalled for. But please understand the economics of the game before thinking you can boycott team India. An overwhelming demand for the game comes from India. India can play internally and still be extremely profitable. If, on the other hand, India had to reverse-boycott other teams, they would get a financial hiding and would find it difficult to sustain.

Posted by YogifromNY on (September 7, 2013, 3:36 GMT)

As an Indian fan based in the US, I am embarrassed and ashamed at the behavior of the BCCI. They have lurched from one low to another, sinking lower and lower. They are the most powerful (and monied) cricket body in the world and care not a whit for the fans, for the cricketers, for the broader development of cricket itself, and definitely not for their reputation. This latest series of incidents is shameful beyond belief. Soon, I predict, Indian cricket will be nothing but overpaid cricketers strutting around in their own backyards and winning "world" championships in T20 tournaments that involve..... other Indian teams. Much like baseball's "World" Series in the US. Any real cricket fans are weeping and in shock at BCCI's behavior.

Posted by Biso on (September 6, 2013, 17:39 GMT)

A lot of rubbish is being written by some readers like BBCI is scared about India loosing in South Africa and hence there is need for some excuse to curtail the itinerary. The fact of the matter is that CSA altered the itinerary without keeping BCCI in picture, obviously to earn more revenue. They cannot hope to earn as much from any tour involving England or Australia. Haroon Lorgat might have said re conciliatory statements in the press but he has not taken any concrete steps to address the problem. What is BCCI expected to do? Let CSA have their cake and eat it too?

Posted by Biso on (September 6, 2013, 16:46 GMT)

@Sandeep Manjrekar. You are spot on. It is amazing to see the kind of bias and blinkered view many readers have been expressing here. It seems hating BCCI has become a fashion. The problem is Haroon Lorgat thought he could get away with the lions share. Did CSA officials really believe BCCI would keep mum over the altered itinerary which favored CSA heavily with no concern for BCCI's interests? BCCI has better business brains than any other board. It is not merely the large viewership base in India that is behind BCCI's financial success. They may have many skeletons in their cupboard, but they sure know how to earn and keep their players well paid.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 14:59 GMT)

The real reason here is that India is scared of SA. They know they are going to get a big hiding so they are trying to limit it as far as possible. 2 tests only and they might be able to draw one so a 1-0 series loss does not sound so bad. If this was a SA tour to India it would have been 5 tests.

Posted by anshu.s on (September 5, 2013, 12:02 GMT)

@LillianThompson, first of all let me correct certain facts and figures which you stated, first of all BSkyB are paying ECB 300 mllion Euros for 4 years not 900 million , CA have done a deal with channel 9 for 400 million US Dollors and 100 million deal with channel 10 for BBL,that way if i include the IPL deal Indian cricket is worth 1.6 billion US Dollors and if i add 1.1 billion which Espnstar paid for ICC rights and another 1 billion US for cricket version of CL then Indian cricket is worth an astounding 3.7 billion US dollars for an 4 to 8 year period !!!

World cricket is like La Liga TV market and BCCI are Madrid and Barca rolled in to one and other test playing nations are equivalent of Valencia ,Atletico etc. You still didn't respond to my statement regarding Spanish league being more skillful and about the irony bit regarding your fondness for money driven soulless, foriegn dominated EPL while contrasting that with your disdain of BCCI's love of lucre..

Posted by hhillbumper on (September 5, 2013, 10:24 GMT)

BCCI have all the skills of an old gunboat diplomat.The time will come when people will turn their back on them and then what? They can keep playing Sri Lanka for ever but the reality is that the team has a limited shelf life.Is the reason why they are causing issues is because they know they will lose in South Africa? this is not new behaviour by them either.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 10:00 GMT)

Which counties should India tour and which countries should India host.If we see the history of Indian Cricket, England hosted us the most in the days of our stuggle both cricketing and economic.However, when England toured India, even as late as 1973, many top cricketers and regulars stayed away.It is the opening up of Indian economy, post 1991 and a presence of a sizable number of Indian nationals with Indian passports all round the world who can uninhibitedly support their team from Durban to Hambantota, without getting involved in Tebbit Tests.It also helps that the NRI and PIOs often get clubbed together.India now should possibly chose teams like the West Indies who show potential as England did from 1932 to1973 and tour countries playing whom helps our cricket and keeps the audience interested.From the number of people following A tours South Africa is one such country.The two Boards should work in tandem.

Posted by recycle-bin-is-empty on (September 5, 2013, 9:34 GMT)

@ Christie-Leigh Bickley you are highly misinformed. Actually i one of the worst haters of BCCI, so I am not taking any side but one should actually talk about facts when it comes to these matters and make accusations. If you don't like ODI's thats fine, but there are lots of cricket fans that do love odis, me included. Secondly, BCCI actually wanted the number of ODIs to be shortened, that was one of their major objection to the tour itinerary prepared by CSA, so it was clearly CSA that wanted 7 ODIs not BCCI, not saying there is anything wrong but yeah even as a big fan of the one day format, i think 7 ODIs are ridiculous.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (September 5, 2013, 9:02 GMT)

@LillianThomson. Your logic of getting viewers without an Indian participation is rubbish. India generating more revenue just because they have more cricket followers than any other country. Not only in India but also in AUS, Eng too. Lot of other fans too follow Indian matches eg: SL. So how do you generate income without an Indian participation! Things will be worse in that situation and that's why everyone wants an India/ Indian tour. Ask SL or WI boards whats the significance of Indian participation or just check how much ZIM benefited by India tour. Or just ask BD, Pak board why they are eagerly waiting for a game with India.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 6:41 GMT)

The is very simple solution for distorted power that BCCI enjoys.

The major source of revenues are,

a) Gate collections b) TV rights in host country c) TV rights in touring team's country d) TV & other rights for rest of the the world

Everybody wants India to tour because of c), which is 10 fold more than for other countries. I don't think SA really cares whether India tours or some other country tours except for difference in TV rights in touring team's country.

Also, BCCI gets it power entirely because of this. They can use their discretionary power to decide which country to tour. Only way to solve this problem is to assign the TV rights for the touring team to their board (uniformly). That way, no country's board would really prefer India to tour because they get no additional benefit.

Obviously, this comes at a cost to other boards, money that is generated in India (by TV rights) stays with the Indian board. But BCCI would automatically lose their discretionary power.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 5:15 GMT)

It is a painful truth that Cricket is fast acquiring the the status of Baseball and American football with eyeballs in one country running the sport.England and Australia will manage to keep cricket afloat as a minority sport but for cricket to really remain healthy and strong strong economies with large demographics are required.As neither the USA nor China are moving in that direction, the Indian writ will run in the foreseeable future.

Posted by Babu22 on (September 5, 2013, 4:25 GMT)

Looking at some of the comments here reg CSA finalised a schedule without consulting BCCI, I really can't see why BCCI approval was necessary. Because traditionally SA have always, well almost, had a Boxing Day test and a New Year test. These two tests are included in the tour itinerary sent by CSA. For Aus and SA, these tests are like set in stone and everybody knows about them. Just because CSA did not ask for approval, BCCI cannot say no to a Boxing Day test. Inviting WI to come in and preponing the NZ series puts a lot of pressure on the SA series. I know it involves a lot of money, but the best thing to do for CSA is to invite Zim to come for four tests and forget about India series. It will hit CSA big time initially, but if other boards start doing it, BCCI has to come into line. India needs to understand that without SA,Eng and Aus players the IPL won't be viable, and there won't be viable & there wont be any money. You can't watch Ind-SL or Ind-WI series all year long.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 3:32 GMT)

The BCCI is ruining cricket in general. The prevalence of one day cricket everywhere is down to india and money. yet some of the best cricket played around the world this year has involved the Indian test team and in fact this has been the case for years. I am disappointed that India or the BCCI sees everything through money money money. The gentlemens game of cricket has all types of issues like gambling, throwing matches etc and it is all in one day cricket. SOUTH AFRICA have problems too but they love their test cricket and a test match between India and South Africa is always top class. To the BCCI- move on and give us the games we want.

Posted by maddy20 on (September 5, 2013, 2:33 GMT)

@ highveldhillbilly I am referring to Lorgat when he was the ICC chief, not now. All he needed to do was to admit he made a mistake to fix this problem. I have posted this before but for some reason it was not published.

Posted by Harmony111 on (September 5, 2013, 2:30 GMT)

@Greatest_Game:

In July, BCCI was facing heat over the IPL Spot Fixing issue & Srini was under tremendous pressure to save himself, his team & his son-in-law at that time. It is likely that just before that, BCCI & CSA had been discussing the schedule but then BCCI got distracted by the spot fixing issue. Either someone in CSA does not know what exactly consent, opinion, input & negotiation mean or someone in CSA thought that since BCCI is under pressure at the moment so let's get a schedule that is fav to us by having 7 ODIs & 2 T20s + a BD test match. Someone hoped BCCI would be naive enough to say yes to it.

The lack of leadership can't be the blamed cos usually such negotiations are done at a lower level, the leaders come in only at the final moment. Btw, Mr. Dalmiya is a veteran of WC87 & 96, someone thought he won't be able to manage a single tour?

However, I really hope this was just comm gap and nothing too deep. I hope the tour has at least 3 tests + 3 ODIs & 1 T20.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 5, 2013, 1:42 GMT)

I realise that spectators are extremely low down the BCCI's list of priorities, but did neither CSA nor BCCI consider them?

Large numbers of South Africans travel to watch cricket in summer, especially as the series falls during the school holidays.

But this series is now going to be finalised many months after all the hotels have sold out for the summer period.

Posted by KingOwl on (September 5, 2013, 1:37 GMT)

I think India are probably scared of the test matches. Another whitewash is in the offing, I am sure. I think this scheduling issue is a deliberate distraction. I think India's preference is to play limited overs cricket where they have the advantage.

Posted by Mr_Anonymous on (September 5, 2013, 1:16 GMT)

It is unfortunate that a very good relationship has soured. CSA could have been more accommodating towards a truncated schedule (7 ODIs seems 4 too many). Also, Lorgat has already mentioned that mending fences with India was his no. 1 priority. His actions however don't seem to match his words. On the other hand, the BCCI is hurting their long term interest and goodwill with a very amicable board (CSA) and their high handedness is disappointing. What is the point of mulling ending CSA's stake in the CLT20 due to this tour's itinerary issues? That is a threat and there is no reason to stoop to that level. They can also be more open to a 3rd Test while requesting a reduction in ODIs (and T20s if needed). I do understand their reasoning for quickly arranging a home tour with the WI so that Sachin can play his 200th Test in India (and earn big money through ticket sales). Until a couple of (unnamed) people vacate their BCCI posts, I unfortunately don't see a change forth coming though.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 5, 2013, 1:01 GMT)

@ Anshu S You are wrong about Spanish football benefitting from Real Madrid and Barcelona hogging the TV money for themselves rather than sharing it.

Sevilla, Valencia and Atletico Madrid should be at least the equivalent of the 3rd, 4th and 5th place English and German clubs, but they are not because the money is too unevenly distributed.

Cricket is the same. ICC should schedule all series and sell broadcasters 4 year packages of all home and away series. 50% of the total money should be considered "away/tournament" rights and distributed equally between the 10 teams, while the other 50% would be divided as "home" money as follows out of 50: IND 10 ENG 8, AUS 7 SA 7 others 3 each.

India would end up with 15% of global TV revenue, England 13% Australia/SA 12% SA and everyone else 8% each.

Which is remarkably similar to FIFA, UEFA and the EPL.

Posted by Robster1 on (September 4, 2013, 22:23 GMT)

Yes, over recent years CSA has been a dysfunctional organization but the BCCI is now little more than a bully boy obsessed wish the $

Posted by fguy on (September 4, 2013, 20:44 GMT)

what are you lot cribbing about? india is playing 2 tests arent they. thats the same number as AUS played last time they were there. but no one accused ACB of "killing" test cricket. but then i guess BCCI is an easy target.

please dont talk about FTP. no country follows it. for eg recently SL cancelled their tests at home against SA (to play SLPL, which didnt happen).

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (September 4, 2013, 20:05 GMT)

If Lorgat was not CSA chief then things could have been different. BCCI sees unilaterally releasing the schedule as an open challenge by Lorgat. But still BCCI is not right in meddling with CSA's internal matters. I think both the boards have to be blamed for this and BCCI probably a bit more because they did not set their ego aside and check with CSA, releasing the schedule unilaterally, what was that all about. But now if Lorgat does not try to initiate dialogue with BCCI he is to blame. Eventually one side has too forget their egos and start a conversation. That is what this article is trying to say with its reference to marriage

Posted by vildoc on (September 4, 2013, 18:43 GMT)

@Jaminda Mendis How is Ipl to blame for this? Didn't the srilankan board cancel the test series with SA for their SLPL this year? Forget the fact that the Slpl was a non starter. What about the Westindies test series which was sacrificed for ome dayers? Get your facts and then come to the forum.

Posted by StaalBurgher on (September 4, 2013, 17:58 GMT)

*lol* India are so scared of facing SA.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 17:43 GMT)

FTP window announced by CSA unilaterally is 18th Nov 2013 to 19th Jan 2014. It means FTP is of 63 days. It's domestic seasonal period for both CSA & BCCI. Both must have other commitments & plans too. A conflict of own interests. BCCI's objections are valid enough as they are depriving their interests too. CSA must understand this issue but neglected for known reasons to themselves only. BCCI waited till its AGM where only such issues are discussed. I wonder how can be professional governing body like CSA hung around lethargically. Fans must use common sense before posting alleging comments about BCCI. I mean what are they objecting about BCCI? No professional business allows such sluggish officials who should suppose to come out of the office when needed. BCCI's previous experience with Haroon was same as what seen here and people are overlooking the core subject still enjoying mud-sledging at BCCI here.

Posted by tick on (September 4, 2013, 16:56 GMT)

BCCI is rich and provides revenue because its a big market..well where is this big market in hockey,football,tennis,athletics,swimming and so on and so forth.India has no voice in world sports other than cricket because its fans who makes what Indian cricket is. not srivansan or patel or dalmiya.. i ask Indian cricket fans.. you support cricket game or cricket political gaming.. playing against saf in saf and beating them should be the focus and that's what i think millions of fans and the cricketers want .not the bad politics of the supposed BCCI officials who themselves are under the cloud of corruption .so BCCI and fans please don't tell that you have money,power,revenue and you are kings of cricket and should make every decision yourself .if you wanna be king play against top team and beat them in their backyard rather than telling riches..

Posted by devil_in_details on (September 4, 2013, 16:13 GMT)

I think we as cricket lovers are being too pessimistic here. The basic reason for my optimism is the necessity for boards to work together no matter their posturing.Also while we curse the greed of boards, it has its unintended benefits. For example 2 extra tests against WI where there might have been more meaningless ODIs. Unlike what has been mentioned here by Ms Moonda I do not believe the CSA is not aware where its bread is buttered or the BCCI is unaware of the need to compromise. Infact it is very likely that India's SA tour may be split like the Autralian tour to India- divided into 3 Tests and a separate limited over leg sometime next year.

Posted by SpizenFire on (September 4, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

Good article. Would been better if, it concludes with the statements being made by CSA and BCCI. BCCI and CSA had a wonderful, close, friendly relation and BCCI found it fair to advise CSA, of potential disruptions triggered due Mr. Haroon Lorgat. Nothing wrong in such. It might have been a different story if not CSA and BCCI. Inspite of the fear of disruption expressed by BCCI, CSA chose an individual over all considerations of governance and BCCI are reacting to an individual over all considerations of governance. CSA does appear to have taken BCCI for granted and ignored BCCIs fear. And CSA is not complaining is it? Its the cricket lovers and franchises. Why blame BCCI? And before other distractors of BCCI jump in, DRS in eng-aus series did vindicate BCCIs stance. Shouting loud does not win an argument.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 4, 2013, 15:58 GMT)

@ ImpartialExpert believes that "This guy Lorgat seems to be deliberately irking BCCI. Releasing the tour schedule without consulting BCCI certainly indicates so."

CSA certainly made a mistake when they released an unconfirmed tour schedule on July 8. However, Haroon Lorgat was only appointed on July 20. How could he have been, as you wrote, "deliberately irking BCCI" when he was not even on CSA staff, but merely a job applicant?

To presume that CSA's error was authorized by, and the deliberate act, of a man who was not yet appointed and in charge creates the impression that perhaps, in this case, you were neither impartial, nor an expert.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

BCCI should be tamed by all cricketing bodies. They think they rule the cricketing world. ICC is much dependent on them for funds - this dominance has to change asap. They are good at ruining other countries cricket for their own glory. IPL T20 best example.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 4, 2013, 15:37 GMT)

@ Harmony111. CSA has been dysfunctional since, as Firdose wrote above, "Majola accepted R4.7 million (from IPL) in bonuses ...but did not pass the money through the CSA board." Only now, after 3 years of chaos, does CSA have a new constitution, board, & a mandated leader.

While the new CSA Board was focused on appointing a Chief Executive, CSA was truly without leadership & structured management. Sanjay Patel, BCCI secretary, stated on July 9, "... while we have been discussing the tour intinerary, nothing had been agreed upon…" (cricinfo: Amol Karhadkar, July 9, 2013)

In a leaderless organization, bereft of veteran senior staff, could inexperienced management, lacking in protocol knowledge & training, have mistaken the discussions that Patel confirms as an approved tour itinerary? Honestly, is it more probable that the struggling CSA's announcement was an arrogant, unilateral decision and slap in the face of it's closest ally & best friend, or simply a misguided blunder?

Posted by mzm149 on (September 4, 2013, 15:02 GMT)

It is a tactic of BCCI to avoid another whitewash in a foreign land after 2 consecutive series losses. This time opposition is even tougher. It takes a lot of guts to face Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Kallis in South Africa. When you have medium pace trundlers how can you take wickets of Amla, Kallis, de Villiers, Duminy and du Plessis twice in a game. Playing West Indies is a good way of improving or maintaining test ranking.

Posted by anshu.s on (September 4, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

@LillianThompson,EPL analogy falls flat and Madrid and Barca example is the apt one , Barca and Madrid negotiate there own TV rights because there is a huge demand worldwide to watch them and TV companies recognise that fact , consider Indian cricket as Madrid and Barca rolled into one and TV companies only want to bid high amounts for matches where only India is involved not for anyone else.Do you really think La Liga is boring, isn't Spain the WC ,Euro,u21,u 19 champions,Spain / La Liga plays most technical,skillful,elegant football compared to kick and rush long ball EPL, i consider it very ironical that fans like you who champion the cause of test cricket and hate financial greed of BCCI are supporting overhyped soulless ,money driven foriegn dominated EPL .India does not need other nations but vice versa , otherwise BCCI would go the American pro sports way i.e compete internally with best foriegn talent playing,a bigger IPL but with tests and 50 overs also.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 4, 2013, 14:43 GMT)

@ ProdigyA. The schedule was released by CSA on July 8. Lorgar was appointed on July 20 - 12 days later! He had NOTHING to do with it, yet you accuse him of being unprofessional. How irresponsible of you to publicly accuse a man when you clearly are not familiar with the facts.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 14:30 GMT)

Such shame how CSA is showing itself as a puppet. Way to go

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 14:23 GMT)

As a die-hard India cricket fan and an extreme India patriot, I am sickened by this episode. I just want to see India-SA test cricket at Durban, JBerg and Cape Town. What better game could there be. Can we just play the game please. Both sides are equally guilty here, the BCCI as always, and Haroon Lorgat and that isn't good for SA cricket either.

Posted by Vasi-Koosi on (September 4, 2013, 13:44 GMT)

There was a time when India was shunted by almost all the boards. India was brave enough to look past that and play the game. 1987 turned the tables, the Reliance Cup showed the world how much money is available in India. This started India's ascent in the game. With the power comes responsibilities. We need to ensure that the power is not used to settle petty scores. We cannot do a tit-for-tat, or be irresponsible like the way the previous powers (read England & Australia) were behaving. I am happy with the power India has in cricket affairs, sad with the way it is used. I am sure things can be worked out. Indian economy is going to the dogs, the last thing we need is tough posture.

Posted by gdalvi on (September 4, 2013, 13:39 GMT)

Is SA so deprived that they could not find a single person other than Logart? If they really valued their relationship with BCCI - they should have thought hard before appointing him. Cricket is not like other sports - here matches are played formally between countries - and hence diplomacy is paramount. When Hanse Cronje was implicated - the governments first discussed with each other about how to handle the situation and only then it was released. It would have been trivial for Delhi police to leak the case in open right away - but instead it was handled at highest level. But now it seems either CSA either has been arrogant on its own or is purposely trying to undermine and irk BCCI. And BCCI has every right to decide who they will deal with. I think it is time once again for country diplomats to step in and smooth over the relationship - after all they are trained for these kinds of things. Just as anology, how would US/Israel think if Iran appointed Ahmedinajan as Iran's UN envoy

Posted by ProdigyA on (September 4, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

Very unprofessional on the part of CSA and Logart's to release an itenary without consulting the other board (BCCI in this case). I guess BCCI did a good thing by not accepting to such itenaries.

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (September 4, 2013, 13:09 GMT)

as an Indian I hope Eng/Aus/SA gather enough courage and kick off BCCI from their tours. BCCI gets lots of money but not by having ind vs SL all year long. without the stars from Aus and SA, there is nothing in the IPL...

Posted by Harmony111 on (September 4, 2013, 12:48 GMT)

To show their support for CSA, India went from Australia to SA to play just one single solitary T20 match in 2012 which anyways was washed out. India were the first place that SA toured after their re-induction & I guess India again were the first team to go to SA after that re-induction. It was a great thing that SA hosted IPL2 and helped BCCI but in purely financial terms it benefited CSA too. Still, hosting of IPL2 at a very short notice was a great show of friendship between India and SA.

The core problem here is not that of Haroon Lorgat's appointment. The core problem here is why did CSA unilaterally announce tour schedule without talking to BCCI? FTP is not cast in stone and if something is there in FTP it doesn't mean it will necessarily be adhered to. Adjustments are always needed, venues change, days or matches are added or reduced, practice matches are swapped around. How could CSA assume that BCCI had no inputs to give regarding the schedule?

Posted by Harmony111 on (September 4, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

Lorgat was appointed as CAS chief in July. The CSA announced the tour schedule in July too. I don't know which happened first but what is a fact is that immediately after his appointment, Mr. Lorgat said on July 22 that improving relations with BCCI was his top priority. He had said he was willing to go the extra mile for that purpose.

Now, IF the schedule was announced by CSA after Lorgat's appointment then it means nothing much was really done by Mr. Lorgat, he did not even bother to take BCCI's opinion about the schedule.

EVEN IF the schedule had already been announced by CSA before Lorgat's appointment then what exactly has Mr Lorgat been doing since he took over Aug 1? BCCI had expressed its concerns as soon as CSA announced that schedule on its own, what did Mr Lorgat do?

Where is that extra mile walk he talked about in July? Empty words only & no solid action.

A simple question: IF BCCI is such a good friend of CSA then why did CSA not seek their opinion for the schedule?

Posted by baghels.a on (September 4, 2013, 12:42 GMT)

@Lillian Thompson ,EPL analogy falls flat and Madrid and Barca example is the apt one , Barca and Madrid negotiate there own TV rights because there is a huge demand worldwide to watch them and TV companies recognise that fact , consider Indian cricket as Madrid and Barca rolled into one and TV companies only want to bid high amounts for matches where only India is involved not for anyone else.Do you really think La Liga is boring, isn't Spain the WC ,Euro,u21,u 19 champions,Spain /La Liga plays most technical,skillful,elegant football compared to kick and rush long ball EPL, i consider it very ironical that fans like you who champion the cause of test cricket and hate financial greed of BCCI are supporting overhyped soulless ,money driven foriegn dominated EPL .India does not need other nations but vice versa , otherwise BCCI would go the American pro sports way i.e compete internally with best foriegn talent playing, a bigger better IPL but wth tests and 50 overs also played.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 12:29 GMT)

whatever the politics, BCCI has no business to change a much anticipated programme that all fans have been waiting. the consumer is the reason d'etre for cricket to exists and the boards to exist. BCCI seem to short shrift the fan. if this is the way BCCI wants to treat its FANS, there won't be many left....

Posted by gsingh7 on (September 4, 2013, 12:26 GMT)

@lilian-- ur views dont count that bcci have bailed out number of smaller boards like sl ,pak, bangla, wi , nz, zimb. how do u expect them to stop playing india. sl still recieve large chunk of their budget from ipl. csa is about to be left out of champions league and we all know this will drastically reduce csa budget. csa were short sighted when they appointed lorgat despite warnings by bcci. now they will have to bore the brunt of their agony. no way out of this confrontation. we spectators are at a loss but thats how life is. not fair but still thats the way cookie crumbles..

Posted by 2nd_Slip on (September 4, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

CSA should not allow the BCCI to drag them around in such a manner after all CSA is associated with the best cricket team in the world at the moment, so instead of being BCCIs pets they should add a couple of test matches against Pak in the UAE and just forget about money hungry BCCI and not play India this summer!!!.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 11:58 GMT)

i would say scrap the ODIs and T20s and play the 3 match test series

Posted by highveldhillbilly on (September 4, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

@maddy20 - how can you say the biggest issue is DRS? That's playing the man not the ball. Logart's stance on DRS should not affect a series between India and SA. The BCCI is carrying too much baggage into this. They want to show who's boss so none of the small unions have the "audacity" to go against them in the future. Not right.

What even gave them the right to tell CSA that they don't want Logart appointed in the first place? That's like the US telling a country that they don't like so and so as the president. That absolute rubbish!

Posted by MurtaMac on (September 4, 2013, 11:49 GMT)

BCCI and India's vicious tactics of meddling with internal policy need to be curtailed. It is not only not good for world cricket but is also downright despicable.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 11:41 GMT)

@ScreamingEagle Believe me, there is lots of money in TV rights outside India, they just aren't effectively marketed in a synchronised way.

Channel Nine in Australia has just paid $500 million for 5 years of home Test and ODI series, and BSkyB in the UK last year paid a reputed $900 million for four years of home rights.

But if there was Formula 1 style marketing of all rights (so that a broadcaster has to buy rights to away Tests and other countries' matches too) it's fair to assume that those amounts would have been at least 50% higher, and more than they pay bilaterally for away rights.

Yes, Indian rights would be valuable too. But if there is a breakaway of all major countries bar Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, India will have to join or only ever play those two nations.

It's changing fast due to the arrival of multiplex digital free TV in England, New Zealand and Australia, meaning that commercial free-to-air broadcasters can compete with Pay-TV for this sort of package.

Posted by Kulaputra on (September 4, 2013, 11:39 GMT)

SA even voted with BCCI on most issues. Decisions should be taken on behalf of cricket lovers and not Horgat haters.

It is sad that power is wasted like this instead of getting cricket to be more international. This whole drama reeks of stupidity and egocentric behaviour on the part of BCCI.

Does BCCI wish to appoint the next prime minister of RSA? who does that is their business, not ours.

Not that CSA are angels. They have been stupid as well but BCCI really - what have you proved ?

Posted by Cricketfan11111 on (September 4, 2013, 11:35 GMT)

BCCI protested about the SA schedule soon after CSA announced it on July 8th, even before Lorgat was appointed. Why they didn't reshedule it amicably? The way BCCI arranged WI and NZ tours shows that CSA didn't want to co-operate with BCCI. Now CSA has no choice but work with BCCI to reschedule the tour. if not the tour will have to be cancelled altogether. According to Srinivasan the SA tour is still on. So wait and watch.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

If one HAS to cut short the window for SA tour to just about a month (whatever may be the reason; and however debatable), can we not have at least THREE Test matches?

All cricket lovers in India had been looking forward to the India's tour of SA. If necessary drastically prune ODIs and T-20s, to schedule a minimum of THREE Tests.

Posted by screamingeagle on (September 4, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Lilianthompson, seriously your views about the distribution of money is interesting. Unfortunately there is one small problem. There is no money (comparatively speaking) in the matches not involving India. Do you really think all the other boards, yours included, play India because they like India? No, they just like to lick up the revenue generated. So all this talk of pooled revenue etc do not fly for the simple reason, if the majority(moneywise) do not participate. Anyway, your notes are fun to read, thanks.

Posted by fguy on (September 4, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

what are you lot cribbing about? india is playing 2 tests arent they. thats the same number as AUS played last time they were there. but no one accused ACB of "killing" test cricket. but then i guess BCCI is an easy target.

please dont talk about FTP. no country follows it. for eg recently SL cancelled their tests at home against SA (to play SLPL, which didnt happen).

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 11:10 GMT)

If one HAS to cut short the window for SA tour to just about a month (whatever may be the reason; and however debatable), can we not have at least THREE Test matches?

All cricket lovers in India had been looking forward to the India's tour of SA. If necessary drastically prune ODIs and T-20s, to schedule a minimum of THREE Tests.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

If one HAS to cut short the window for SA tour to just about a month (whatever may be the reason; and however debatable), can we not have at least THREE Test matches?

All cricket lovers in India had been looking forward to the India's tour of SA. If necessary drastically prune ODIs and T-20s, to schedule a minimum of THREE Tests.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 4, 2013, 11:02 GMT)

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

It is clear with you comments your judgements are completely baised ones

even if we agree that BCCI delayed approving the schedule untill new CEO joins, that still does not change the fact that CSA reasled Schedule without even consulting BCCI.

If that was the case CSA would have come out & would have provided backups of approval schedule by BCCI. the fact that they are silent is enough evidence that they were wrong.

Its a shame that people do not use little common sense, and can go to extent of allaging BCCI use the words as "Ransome"

Cricinfo Kindly Publish

Posted by maddy20 on (September 4, 2013, 10:54 GMT)

@highveldhillbilly The article clearly states that Mr.Lorgat has threatened to shorten or cancel the tour and BCCI wanted to return the favor. Besides he has not even attempted to address the issues and reconcile. So it seems obvious that he doesn't care. The main problem here is he forced a vastly-imperfect(even worse than the present one) DRS on all teams whether they liked it or not. So it will not take much to resolve this if he is just willing to accept he made a mistake!

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 10:52 GMT)

@Serious-am-I Pooled TV rights deals are much more common than biltateral deals across the sporting world, as BCCI will probably now learn the hard way.

Formula 1 is a great example, as is the EPL, as is the football World Cup, where FIFA sells the rights in every nation and then distributes the money to participating countries by an agreed formula.

BCCI's only leverage is those TV rights, because most cricket fans overseas are less interested in watching their team play India even than Pakistan. And the moment the rights are pooled and sold by ICC's successor.

The Spanish football league is boring to watch because clubs sell their own rights, so only Barcelona and Real Madrid get big money and they finish far ahead of the rest of the league every season. But English football has pooled TV rights, so even the minor EPL clubs can buy great players.

Sooner or later, the fear the BCCI is creating will drive the creation of pooled TV rights.

Posted by Sajish on (September 4, 2013, 10:44 GMT)

Very good article by Firdose Moonda. Yes the marriage/romance between CSA and BCCI are now in rocks or going for a divorce? The failure of this romance is solely due to the over smartness of BCCI. Fans from both country wish to see a full series with South Africa and BCCI and its business minded administrators denying it. Two teams from SA are supposed to play in forthcoming CL this month. Will they play or that is the end of the road? Fans are guessing. BCCI is lucky because Indian cricket lovers are interested to see an Indian player involving in any team and sponsors are behind them and in the end money is pouring and all other Cricket Board are getting poorer day by day because they could not find anyone. Due to this petty politics by BCCI - ICC's FTP is in jeopardy now.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

It is absurd to claim that Cricket South Africa unilaterally and prematurely released a schedule.

Western countries plan their major tours at least a year ahead, because there is significant cricket tourism. I had considered travelling from Australia to South Africa to watch Tests at Cape Town, Port Elizabeth and Durban.

Negotiations were all but concluded before the last South African season finished before Easter 2013, but it is the BCCI which refused to sign off until the identity of the new Cricket South Africa CEO was announced. It now appears that the scheduling of the series was being held to ransom to try to ensure a "pro-India" CEO was selected, and when that did not happen, the BCCI used the scheduling as a stick to punish CSA with.

South Africa now faces a big shortfall, not just on reduced TV revenue but also the nation has lost significant inbound cricket tourism, as it is already September and it is far too late for English or Australian cricket lovers to book.

Posted by fguy on (September 4, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

loving the anti-bcci reactions. akin to what the USA gets from the rest of the world. i guess thats the price of being a superpower.

all this talk of "loss" & "curtailment"; when the schedule was released unilaterally by the CSA & immediately disagreed to by the BCCI then where does loss & curtailment of tour come in? it's like if i buy a share for $10 expect it to become $150 but then it reaches only $100 i talk about a "loss" of $50.

also this article gives the impression that only CSA has aided BCCI. what about those fill-your-pockets solitary t20s that CSA held twice where BCCI sent a weary team all the way just for a single, farcical match

& the IPL conducted in SA; everyone would've been well compensated & in fact would've earned something extra in off-season. if you add all the tourist & other $$$s then SA were the beneficiaries. thats why other boards were competing with CSA to hold it.

Posted by SherjilIslam on (September 4, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

So Lilian Thompson is back again doing what he knows best.....bashing India and BCCI for any significant/non-significant reason.

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 4, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

@LillianThomson : Your theory sounds highly unrealistic. Who are the international body to decide who gets what from TV rights ? You can't steal tax payers money of that particular country as you please. This is not soccer we are talking about. It depends wholly on the concerned countries, they have to pay the taxes as well. Anyways, rite back on topic, its sad to see us "fans" missing to watch quality competition just because these Administrators have tug of war among themselves. The better way to go about it is, create Players representatives body in India, just like its in Aus, SA, let the players body decide who gets to play how many matches. Players inputs should be taken into consideration not just the administrators.

Posted by Sanjiyan on (September 4, 2013, 10:07 GMT)

@Krishnan Muthusubramanian on (September 4, 2013, 8:07 GMT) I would like to think the that nr1 test team( and before that, one of the very best test teams) deserves more than a simple 2 test tour. S.A. have always played less tests than India,England and Aus yet somehow they are always near or at the nr1 position. Yes CSA has angered the BCCI with their premature release of the schedule, and yes they appointed Loorgat as the big wig, but that doesnt mean that the BCCI can then chop and change as they see fit just for spite. the BCCI have every right to be frustrated with the way CSA have handled this, but they should at least be more mature(as you put it) about this situation. With great (financial)power comes great responsibility, and right now the BCCI are acting like a spoilt brat in my opinion.

Posted by highveldhillbilly on (September 4, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

@SanjivAwesome - beautifully put. As a SA fan but more importantly as a fan of cricket and primarily test cricket I can't wait to sit and Wanderers and watch a great cricket contest between two good sides. It will be a travesty if it is only a two test series.

What the BCCI also needs to understand is that countries require revenue from cricket and when they are hosting a big nation they look to drive revenue. Personally I hate the idea of many ODIs but I also understand that CSA needs money. There has to be compromise. The BCCI taking a bully take it or leave it stance doesn't help. They cannot force all countries to comply with their agendas. It may work for the BCCI in the short run but it will cause long term damage and animosity in the long run.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 9:57 GMT)

Its high time Mr Haroon Logart comes out to save his board. His arrogance will achieve nothing. The issue at hand was never the appointment of Mr Logart at the chief of CSA. The BCCI is at loggerheads of the guy and tried to use its soft power, but failed. Now Mr Logart in his false sense of pride unilaterally announced the series dates without any consultation with the BCCI. There was no response from CSA when a request was made to redrawing the schedule. Silent treatment to BCCI won't help you Mr Logart. When the initial tour plan was announced it has been criticized from the beginning. A better schedule would have suited both the parties. But no Mr Logart got a point to prove. Now the only solution seems to be a 3 match test series with the one day leg being played later on. But this can only happen when there is any communication from the CSA. There is still a chance to salvage the situation. Only if Mr Logart takes off his false sense of pride.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

Politics and greed are killing cricket, artiles like these shouldn't have to be written, but are necessary to highlight the awful administrations that are destroying the beautiful game. For those of you defending the BCCI, you should understand that defending your board is not the same as defending your national team. Any true cricket an can see that BCCI needs censuring for the sake of our sport, this isn't a matter of national pride, it's a matter of the future of cricket

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 9:51 GMT)

There is of course an alternative to Indian economic domination and bullying.

The role model should be FIFA and UEFA and the World Cup and Euros.

Basically, a replacement body for the ICC signs up England, South Africa, Australia, Pakistan, New Zealand, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and invites India to join.

There is no more bilateralism. There is a centralised program of ODIs, Tests, T20 and World Cups, and like with the EPL the TV rights are sold collectively for the entire 4 year Future Tours schedule, and assuming no Indian participation are divided England 20%, Australia 10%, South Africa 7%, NZ/Pak/Zim/SL/WI/Ban 5% each. If India joins, they get 25% and everyone else is adjusted slightly downwards.

At present, India dominates politically due to economic power. But with pooled TV rights as above, India's power is diluted but the other countries gain rather than losing financially.

Everyone wins, except India.

Posted by stormer1980 on (September 4, 2013, 9:49 GMT)

Cricket India is so desperate to control everything with regards to Cricket that they will cut corners to stay afloat ... they know SA is going to give them the hiding of the lives in the Tests , we are the worlds number one ranked team and we deserve a bit more than this ... The more tests India play against weaker opposition , the better the chance of there players becoming number one and there nation becoming number one .. Such a farce ... There beloved Tendulkar refuses to retire and India will keep playing weak opposition cause Kallis is still playing and might reach Mr Tendulkars runs milestones ... then what ? Play the circket .. and win against the best if you want to be the best !

Posted by sharidas on (September 4, 2013, 9:35 GMT)

What is so difficult , which a simple telephone call to each other, cannot solve ? When egos clash these kind of silly issues are bound to come up, especially when we find that many of the Cricket Administrations are run by high profile businessmen.

Posted by bobmartin on (September 4, 2013, 9:34 GMT)

Isn't it funny that every time something involving the BCCI crops up.. so does the subject of how much money the BCCI contributes to the ICC... It may well be the case, but that is no reason to suppose that the BCCI are correct in every decision it makes, nor that it should have any control on what other nations do, nor should the ICC or other nations boards bow down to them. Democracy appears to be a word the BCCI has never heard of... or if it has, it's seldom practiced it. It's mantra seems to be... We are the richest, therefore you'll play by our rules.. That has been the case so far.. but one can hope that CSA break this mould and that other nations and the ICC follow suit and stop kowtowing to the BCCI.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 9:07 GMT)

Both CSA & BCCI can do here to divide tour into 2 leg. First leg will play only TEST cricket in the available time slot which can allow 3 TESTS & 2 practise matches if possible. BCCI can send team in next year for ODIs & T20s as being done by Oz & ENG recently. CSA has to take positive initiative. Or they can work out 3 plus 3 with no T20 if they don't agree on 2 tier.

Posted by Cricket_Man on (September 4, 2013, 8:39 GMT)

CSA being pushed out of CLT20, England already pulled out of it and Pakistan's participation is in doubt too. If money is power and people play cricket for money and not for cricket then it is very sad. Like England, CSA should themselves not send their teams to CLT20 instead of being embarrassingly sidelined. The concept of Champions League is good but it should have been completely under ICC's control and not BCCI. BCCI is harming itself in the long run by interfering in other boards matters and having strained relations with other boards. Because at the end of the day it is not BCCI, CSA or ECB but the game of cricket that attracts all its fans.

Posted by vish57 on (September 4, 2013, 8:25 GMT)

As a cricket fan for decades, we need to watch SA-India matches; let adminsitration have their own agenda but dont touch the game. Let the 2 countries play cricket.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 8:07 GMT)

BCCI has left enough time in between WI & NZ tours to accommodate 2 tests and 3-5 one day/T20s. This is exactly what WI & NZ are also getting. There is so much complaint about the bad deal SA has got, but everybody seem to accept that WI and NZ deserve only 2 tests.

BCCI wouldn't be violating the FTP (which they haven't signed yet) but looks like SA will be getting the lower end of the spectrum (along with other "lesser" teams). It is BCCI prerogative to decide who gets what as long as the minimum requirements of the FTP are satisfied (which is 2 tests).

It was silly of SA to actually announce the itenary without consulting BCCI. The boards I guess have to just accept it, since every board has a discriminatory policy towards lesser teams (England/Aus does not play back to back 5 match series against WI)

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 4, 2013, 8:00 GMT)

@cnksnk, very true, though I suspect that the CSA and BCCI were in discussions in regards to the tour series for atleast 12 months, and no agreement had been reached, as we can see the England tour has been agreed 11 months in advance of the tour.

Its should also be noted that the the Indian tour of SA tour was announced long before Lorgat was appointed chairman of CSA, its been on the FTP for 2 years.

I suspect that CSA got fed up of being stonewalled by the BCCI in regards to the nature of the test series if only so they could arrange thier own domestic competitions around the tests to avoid clashes and allow states to know when international players would be available.

Its also good to let fans know whats going on as they are the ones that buy tickets, and need to arrange time off work, hotels, travel etc. As an Example I'm currently planning my ticket purchases, hotels and travel for next years India tour in the UK.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 4, 2013, 5:30 GMT)

"Some comments in favour of the BCCI would soon be crying shame, if the ECB or CA started doing this with the BCCI, Imagine if the ECB cancel the 2014 tour because the BCCI refuses to use DRS, then replace it with a 5 test series against SA."

You tend to show same old prejudiced supremacy of limited 3 nations over world cricket,i.e, ENG, AUS & SA. If ECB cancel the 2014 tour (ECB be is matured & realistic won't do it), IND fans will never cry a shame or won't make any personal attacks (SachinRameshTendulkar) like what is happening here for the last 3 days.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 7:07 GMT)

Most fans like LillianThomson have more imposing mindsets than listening affairs. They have been most critical of BCCI just because of narrow mindsets. They know one side of a coin. Any sport can't run for a long without financial support. Their governing body's sustainability much depend how they work. BCCI gave ICC a new look after 1997 w.r.t. financial independency and spreading the game all over the world by taking all nations together which was rarely seen before. LillianThomson should know cricket is not being limited to AUS, ENG & SA but there are others too. Decline of WI is just because of poor financial status & more nations are in line of them. Critics' grudge views over BCCI easily overlook how it has helped ZIM & WI most recently even after lack of local sponsors. BCCI explored legitimate views of regarding DRS when we saw failures of D/L but howlers are still cashing every opportunity to criticize them for no reasons. BCCI is absolutely right on this issue.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 6:44 GMT)

Lillian Thomson is very popular in this forum. I have seen his name pop up quite a few no. of times over the last couple of years. He more often than not presents an interesting read but it appears to me that he is guilty of involving prejudice in his right to freedom of expression. His comments are of the nature that tend to lower the quality of the forum. his opinions are far from general and strictly concentrated to the viewpoint of one individual in the world. Having said that, dont stop writing mate !!..

Posted by DaisonGarvasis on (September 4, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

I would have wanted to see Sachin play Dale Steyne in his 200th Test rather than Sachin play Dwane Bravo Damn it. More than Scahin's 200th I would want to see Sachin and Steyne lock horns again as they did when India toured SA last time around. Now, some smart people in power think all that can wait till BCCI teach CSA (Logart) a lesson, that's really unfortunate!

Posted by cnksnk on (September 4, 2013, 5:55 GMT)

COnTD... Th e fact that BCCI closed out the tours with 3 boards viz WI, NZ and England clearly shows what mutual discussions can do. Of course all of use would have liked to see atleast 3 tests with WI and NZ. However schedules being what they are we have to make the best of what we have. I suspect that it is not just BCCI which wanted 2 tests and 5 ODI in NZ. NZC would have also pushed for 5 ODI given that revenues are higher in ODI. The best option is to do what the Aussies did when they came to India this year. Play 3 or 4 tests with SA with a couple of tour games and have the ODI / T 20 for another day. Is that asking for too much. I am sure both the boards can meet half way and arrive at this sane option. To say BCCI is scared of loosing 3 - 0 or 4 - 0 also seems out of wack,. This is not the first time that India is loosing tests ( nor will it be the last). Also SA team is not what it used to be Steyn and Morkel and other fast bowlers not with standing

Posted by cnksnk on (September 4, 2013, 5:49 GMT)

Lot of stuff written here seems to be self contradictory. India is supposed to be playing on Australia and England. However BCCI just seems to have signed up for test matches with WI and NZ. India cannot tour Pakistan ( and nor do any other team) and any how there seems to be other political issues with the 2 countries playing any where in the world. India does not want to play sub standard teams like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe , while in all fairness they did play a ODI with Zim recently. India and SL seem to be playing each other at the drop of the hat. So the only set of matches that dont seem to be getting played is with SA. So to say BCCI is just not playing other countries is not fair. Having said that the current situation between BCCI and SAFA is down right childish. BCCI has no biz choosing another boards office bearers. SAFA also does not seem to have the basics right by having consultations before arriving at the itenary. Surely grown up folks can do better.

Posted by Publickakaptan on (September 4, 2013, 5:46 GMT)

One thing every board understands where ever Indian team goes..it bring with them sponsorship money & broadcasting money with them,which no other team in the world can bring.India's net worth is 294 while SA net worth is 68.It was bcos of BCCI that the Australian Cricket Board made first time profit in the entire history of Australian Cricket.World's 60% to 70% cricket followers are in India bcos of its huge population.So telecast bring in Huge money.So ball will always be in the BCCI court. Bcos of Huge India's Cricket following population & money gives BCCI the strenght which no one in the world can ignore or deny.So be it.Amen

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 4, 2013, 5:41 GMT)

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 3, 2013, 22:18 GMT)

Unquestionable private conversation ... can you elaborate more on this ?

what sort of conversation ? & if at all it is private how come you are aware of it ?

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 4, 2013, 5:30 GMT)

@LillianThomson, im not so sure that the ECB and CA have over too many games against India, at the moment theres alignment of the schedules due to the ashes moving to avoid WC. Since 2011-2014 England will have played India in 13 tests, in the same window (2013-2015) England will play Aus in 15 tests.

I can understand CSA releasing a provisional schedule, before agreement, the ECB did the same with regard to 2013, as grounds like to get ticket sales arranged, and bearing in mind the India vs SA series was starting in less than 6 months, its nice to let fans know when tests are going to be so they can arrange to go.

Some comments in favour of the BCCI would soon be crying shame, if the ECB or CA started doing this with the BCCI, Imagine if the ECB cancel the 2014 tour because the BCCI refuses to use DRS, then replace it with a 5 test series against SA.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

i don't understand why people say india is afraid of playing against South africa with gary kirsten giving up his coaching i think sa is going to descend down also in test cricket , regarding this spat between BCCI and CSA it is CSA who are to be blamed because of they not conforming their itenary with BCCI. All in all CSA are digging their own grave

Posted by QingdaoXI on (September 4, 2013, 5:25 GMT)

If everything is revolved around the Lorgat than there is only one solution ditch Lorgat and both the board will have good relations again.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 5:14 GMT)

South Africa can play the Test Series with Sri Lanka

Posted by cricket1fan1980 on (September 4, 2013, 5:01 GMT)

I agree with gilbert84 in the context that this discussion is between immature handling of two premier cricketing boards and not about the cricketing talents of two countries. Please others, who are targeting the cricket teams shut up. More so, Mr. Lillian Thomson............seems he either doesn't follow/know cricket or he has some inferior complex about India ........hahahahaha.

Posted by din7 on (September 4, 2013, 4:49 GMT)

Well done BCCI ..they are doin well to protect our players...well its better to curtail the series we are goin to be whitewashed in....3-0 okay curtail it to 2 it will be 2-0..it will be better to be 2-0 than 3-0 or just dont ply test at all! hahahah

Posted by srinideva on (September 4, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

the issue start with cricket SA, they should have send a preliminary schedule to bcci before making it to the media. This is a simple process where you can see the same in day to day business in our life. You have to discuss before making the final decision. Well, CSA didn't follow this and paying the price for it..you just can't make a schedule for one side and expect the bcci to play according to that agenda..fair point...

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (September 4, 2013, 4:20 GMT)

@Sid Abbas. recent performances of SA and India is proof. Isn't it? Don't compare Indian team with your own team.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 4:15 GMT)

The inability of the BCCI to understand world opinion is best exemplified by the recent Ashes.

There were several DRS errors, but the English and Aussie public accepted that DRS lifted decision accuracy from 91% to 97%.

We ended up wanting improved DRS, whereas BCCI just wants to obstruct it.

England, Australia and India are already playing each other with mind-numbingly boring frequency. If India thinks that antagonising the world's top team is going to help them, they are living in a dream world.

Cricket boards like India's money under the current unfair bilateral system. But most cricket fans would be perfectly happy for their country never to play India in Tests again: Pakistan, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe wouldn't even notice while fans in England and Australia would be glad to get a break from boringly one-sided and excessively-frequent series.

BCCI doesn't have a product anyone else covets. They just have $ - but if the model changes, so would the distribution of $.

Posted by canterbury1990 on (September 4, 2013, 4:06 GMT)

A terrible state of affairs all round. I can't imagine that either players nor fans are at all happy with the situation. Perhaps the best thing will be for CSA to politely tell India they would rather have a full series and India can either come along for a full tour as in FTP, or CSA will invite someone else. That might bring home to the BCCI that other boards and teams are still capable of functioning without it. In the long run, India won't get far with this type of attitude from the BCCI. They are a young team still and the BCCI should welcome any opportunities to play a nice long tour against the top teams. It would be folly to let such a wonderful opportunity for a series to go begging.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 4, 2013, 4:05 GMT)

It's a shame for Cricket South Africa, but is a welcome development for world cricket.

The BCCI is trying desperately to keep all international cricket relationships bilateral (as opposed to the EPL or FIFA models) so they can maximise their own profits and make everyone else subservient to their economic power. And they have deliberately used WI and NZ cricket as tools in the process of publically humilating South Africa.

The problem is that there are usually only 5 teams in world cricket that the international public want to watch: England, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan and India. And because of their inability to bowl people out overseas, India is the least in demand with the public even though its money makes it most in demand with opposition boards.

The English and Australian public are already bored of playing India endlessly. India now risks a future in which the cricket world unites against it for the FIFA-isation of scheduling and TV rights.

Posted by dsuryaa on (September 4, 2013, 4:03 GMT)

In essence it is a punishment to go through such article. It appears that both the Boards have lost their head. It does not make any sense to arrive at such decision. Things have not been handled sensibly, which ought to have been the case. At least for the shake of the great game of CRICKET things must be sorted out.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 3:50 GMT)

india dont want to play south africa because they will loose,lets call a spade a spade.

Posted by Prabs_M on (September 4, 2013, 3:34 GMT)

@CSA>>>You can poke a bear once and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking him, he's going to get really angry. And when a bear gets angry, somebody is gonna get hurt real bad.

Posted by gilbert84 on (September 4, 2013, 3:24 GMT)

This article talks around the issue rather than actually investigating it. Surely if the marriage is on the rocks, the article should be about why that is the case, rather than simply talking about the symptoms of that rocky relationship. What is the problem between Haroon Lorgat and the BCCI? That's the issue. One interesting point though about the BCCI wanting to play South Africa to cement their status as #1. Why did CSA go along with something like that? Absurd.

Posted by Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on (September 4, 2013, 3:15 GMT)

Pretty low...to see boards of two major test playing countries acting like sulking kids and not able to reconcile their differences amicably makes you worry about the future of cricket itself. That cricket administration in most countries is run by people with inflated egos and little to no real respect and love for the game has been a worrying theme for long, and the current mess only serves to underline that fear. A mess like the current one was waiting to happen.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 4, 2013, 3:13 GMT)

It sounds like both boards are behaving badly in different ways and it's a great shame because both sets of fans lose out, as does cricket and cricket fans in general.

Posted by gocool_here on (September 4, 2013, 2:33 GMT)

As an Indian fan, I am (Most of the Indian fans are! believe me..) really unhappy with the BCCI's way of working and this arrogance. This is not going to help anyone in a very small group of countries which plays cricket. I think, the cricket admins in India are killing the game & we need CSA and other boards to oppose this arrogance. As an Indian I believe, we don't need Srinis or Dalimiyas there and we need Kumbles & Dravids as BCCI chief who can run it for the benefit of the game & not as a business. By the way, it is the cricket board BCCI who is doing it & do not generalize 'Indian fans' for that. I am sure few fans who are supporting BCCI are mostly school kids!! or do not understand what is egoistic arrogance means!

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 1:40 GMT)

There are other good teams SA can approach. They perhaps won't. Miserable state of affairs indeed.

Posted by jimbond on (September 4, 2013, 1:34 GMT)

The BCCI has always been known to be a set of ill mannered and ill behaved guys. But Lorgat has shown himself to be equally bad. Does he think that he is still the ICC chief? In dealing with a board like BCCI, shouldn't he have consulted them more -given his past problems with them? The cricket fans are stupid, and hence the BCCI can earn as much from the WI and the NZ tours, as they would have from the SA tour. People like Srinivasan/Pawar, and Lorgat are not good administrators and should not take up these roles. Lorgat in fact left a bad taste in Pakistan also where he was involved as a consultant.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 1:21 GMT)

I find if hard to believe that the writer is trying to balance the blame between BCCI and CSA. Where there is meekness from CSA, I believe there should be all out outrage. How can BCCI dictate so openly, who to appoint (or not appoint in this case) as the head of CSA? What's next? Tours being cancelled because BCCI doesn't like your team selection?

Posted by cricketvenkat on (September 4, 2013, 1:01 GMT)

If I may be permitted to add to my comment already under moderation - Firdose ji, What were the effective measures undertaken by the Lorgat regime to bolster and/or maintain a high quality of umpires directly under its control and use, and to select and train future umpires of high quality? What were the nature of monitoring done and action taken thereof? I'm sure you'll agree there were many umpires of fluctuating quality in international cricket during Lorgat regime's stewardship of the game. Thank you Firdose ji.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 0:54 GMT)

If India is not willing to Play 7 ODI's against South Africa... Then why is India playing 7 ODI's against Australia in October 2013 :

here is the link :- http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013-14/content/story/647235.html

Everyone is blaming South African Board, but nobody is against BCCI, reason because of the money and the most Cash Rich Cricket Board in the World. (Any Explanations pllzzz)

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 0:53 GMT)

This is what happens, when the humongous egos of two big bosses (of ICC, when Lorgat was its CEO-, and BCCI) clash! Both are obstinate, and destroy the beautiful game (test cricket) at the altar of misplaced and inflated self-importance...

We cricket lovers all over the world seems totally helpless...

What a shame!

Posted by avmd on (September 4, 2013, 0:26 GMT)

Finally there is one board standing up and telling BCCI they cannot dictate term in every matter. SA cricket will do just fine without BCCI.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (September 3, 2013, 23:33 GMT)

This guy Lorgat seems to be deliberately irking BCCI. Releasing the tour schedule without consulting BCCI certainly indicates so. We all want to be defiant against an authoritarian association. But doing so just to be defiant when you are not gaining anything is stupid and egoistic.

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 23:31 GMT)

This is so annoying really, seems the BCCI just want to change everything just to prove they have the power. Where to next are they gonna boycott the 2015 WC because SA are taking part? If they would prefer to play the like of WI and New Zealand then let them they will only be denying their own players the chance to prove themselves against the best. And surely even the fans will eventually get fed of watching their team play weak opposition?

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 3, 2013, 22:26 GMT)

@ muthu4664. The schedule was released BEFORE Lorgat was appointed. The schedule was released on July 8. Lorgat was appointed July 20, & took office August 1.

Please get the facts right BEFORE making public accusations. Your entire post is based in your false presumption that Lorgat had ANYTHING to do with CSA's inexcusable schedule fault. That makes your entire post invalid. I hope you have the courage to publicly admit that your accusations about Lorgat have no basis in fact.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 3, 2013, 22:18 GMT)

Firdose Moonda, for all her hard work, does not know the details of every single conversation between CSA and the BCCI. After the inexcusably premature tour schedule announcement, CSA is not going to make ANY public statements not in conjunction with the BCCI. However, to believe that CSA is blithely trundling along and ignoring the damage to the relationship is utterly naive. Neither administration wants to see such a fallout. It may suit certain factions, but the majority in both know that this is looking more and more like a lose lose circumstance. Unquestionable private conversations are going on. To boldly state that CSA is "ignoring the problem" is naive, and reckless. Firdose's assumption does no good for either party, and only creates rumour and speculation. We expect more from a well respected journalist.

Posted by aleemfs on (September 3, 2013, 22:07 GMT)

Once again the BCCI trying to control other boards and world cricket. What does it have to do with them who CSA appoint, they should be able to appoint whoever they want without having gain the BCCI's consent. The BCCI can't pick and choose who they play just because they have a few more Rupees than other countries. The BCCI meeds cricket more than cricket needs the BCCI. Time for the ICC & CSA to stand up to these bullies and put their foot down. Let see how much money they can make with no teams to play against.

Enough is enough!!

Posted by baigsaab on (September 3, 2013, 21:05 GMT)

If England the inventor of the game, Australia the improviser of the game and West Indies the most fearsome of the game can be brought down by gravity then I guess BCCI's stay at the top with her wealth is also not going to be eternal as well!

Haroon Lorgat is the same guy who promised the 'Grand night for Sachin in Mumbai' for the world cup, pity his services have been forgotten so soon!

BCCI's nouveau riche attitude is shameful but just as shameful is the logic that the rest of the world should put up with it... I'd rather watch football then be slave to this hegemony!

Posted by rickp15 on (September 3, 2013, 21:03 GMT)

175R Million for an India series. That's more then all of the revenue that CSA generate in a full year what loss it would for them. For all those BCCI critics and bashers ( ECB/AUS fans included) just remember its the India tour that all board seek period for revenue. Its would be really disappointing if this series does not happen as only a Ind/Pak series would generate more revenue and interest in the World, even a Ashes tour cannot complete with that. ( just the fact ECB/AUS fans).

Posted by screamingeagle on (September 3, 2013, 20:49 GMT)

Really a pity. I do feel the lack of one person in charge in BCCI(probably the two big shots in BCCI are fighting it out while this SA issue is going on autopilot) is hurting both sides. Anyway, this will be interesting...

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 19:52 GMT)

I remember the late 90s and early 2000s when I, as an Indian, felt that Australia and England used to get preferential treatment when it came down to fines for misconduct or sledging on the field. The common belief was that ICC was heavily influenced by Australians and English and the Asian nations had little say in the proceedings. The good thing is that things have changed - the bad thing is things have become worse - we have a new bully in town. It saddens me to see that the very same Indian board which used to protest against the bullies 10 years back has transitioned comfortably into being a bully. May be there are things at fault from CSA side as well (it takes two to tango) but what right does BCCI have meddling with the internal affairs of CSA? (And, please lets not draw parallels to US intervention in Middle East affairs).

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 19:30 GMT)

Irony Irony!I remember back in the 90s BCCI used to lead the group of countries who would always complain about unfair treatment from ECB and Aussies. Those countries also had the revenue at that time, but we, the asian block wanted FAIR/JUST treatment. Fast forward 2013 and for the last 5-7 yrs, BCCI has become what they once loathed. Infact, BCCI has ditched even their asian partners and basically wants to run ICC by itself. WHO HAS THE PROBLEM? BCCI. They were the once who made noise about Haroon's appointment, WHY?There was never any reasons given, except that he spoke his mind, that some of his suggestions might have been against BCCI's wishes. When has that become illegal?It is absolutely pitiful that BCCI wants to meddle in the internal affairs of another cricket board. I think there will be a breaking point when everyone will realize the money might not be worth the pushing around. I am glad to see Haroon and CSA are standing their ground.

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 19:24 GMT)

good work s,africa..........................................

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 19:15 GMT)

Watching the Oakland A's closing pitcher - An Aussie named Grant Balfour, I was reminded of.. Oh darn it - sorry this is still (just about) cricket isn't it? Just preparing for the day (soon) when cricket dies - strangled by the greed of the BCCI and swamped by the "hit and giggle" of T20. Might as well be baseball now. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Coco Crisp's arm isn't what it was but Friedman is making himself at home at 1st base and Sogard more than makes up with excellent defence and a fantastic eye for a ball what he lacks in power. 3rd base is an issue and with Brett Anderson still injured and now Bartolo Colon banned for DA offences, the starting pitchers are looking a bit weak. Will Billy Beane use the expanded 40 man September rosters to blood new starters?.. Darn it I'm on baseball again. See what this cruddy T20 has done? If you're going to turn cricket into baseball.... you might as well just watch baseball - it's better than T20.

Posted by Skylight28 on (September 3, 2013, 18:15 GMT)

I think some people on this forum are being a little naive. 1. It is ALWAYS about money. Lets face it, money runs the world. Granted, passion for the sport is important too. But without money, you can't do much with passion alone. So you have to consider money in the equation. If economics do not support 3-5 tests, them we will lose 3-5 test series. General public has to show interest in tests, and if they don't go to watch all 5 days of cricket, economics will force the hands of the administrators. 2. BCCI clout exists and is here to stay until another country produces a billion people, many rich, willing to support the sport like the Indians have. This is akin to the clout that US has in world affairs. Like it or not, you have to learn to live with it. 3. Sachin, for all his greatness, does not make BCCI's decisions. It helps everyone if Sachin plays his milestone test at home, but if CSA had been accommodating, the WI and NZ tours would have been arranged without impacting SA tour.

Posted by yoohoo on (September 3, 2013, 18:14 GMT)

I don't see where BCCI is to blame here. They warned CSA (like any friend would) before Lorgat was hired that they have had problems dealing with him before. CSA did what they wanted, and now they have to deal with the consequences. Lorgat, obviously, was the wrong choice. He brought un-necessary baggage from his old position to his new one, AND he refuses to deal with that baggage. BCCI doesn't HAVE to like him or deal with him. They have plenty of other options.

Posted by Hardy1 on (September 3, 2013, 18:00 GMT)

Great, politics getting in the way of a widely looked forward to series. Gonna be replaced with matches against West Indies & New Zealand which will carry nowhere near the same weight. I support India but I just can't stand the BCCI, the abuse of power is simply disgraceful.

Posted by niazbhi on (September 3, 2013, 17:44 GMT)

India invited WI before SA tour and asked NZ to come early to shorten/cancel SA tour. Looks like India did not want to play SA after Logart became SA chief. India should appoint the board chiefs of other boards and pay them for consultancy and also pay big name test cricketers through IPL. I wish Sambit Bal was allowed to write on this.

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 17:41 GMT)

Pakistan to tour South Africa in April and May 2014 - No South AFrican International players available for next IPL

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 17:38 GMT)

To all the SA fans, there is hardly anybody in India who agrees with BCCI high handedness. SRT as humble and down to earth as the man is, would have been the last person to have supported any festivities around something as banal as a 200th test match. We were really looking forward to the SA test series as they are without doubt the best test side in the recent years. The Indian team has a fine nucleus and it would have been a big test and learning experience against the likes of Kallis, Steyn, Morkel and Smith. This is not the first time BCCI has acted without logic flexing its financial muscle, nor it unfortunately would be last. I can understand the hard feelings, but the fans in both countries are cheated, not just SA fans.

Posted by 200ondebut on (September 3, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

BCCI are behaving like a bunch of cubs. It's rather amusing that they believe their new found wealth buys them respect and power. It seems to me though they are running scared - they'll get absolutely pounded so this is just damage limitation.

Posted by TamilIndian on (September 3, 2013, 17:29 GMT)

Why are both boards silent on the matter? There was a tour schedule now that is not happening. They both should come and explain why it is so.

Posted by ProdigyA on (September 3, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

CSA are being too selfish by wanted more and more ODI's. 7 ODI's is ridiculous. A minimum of 3 tests is required. CSA is not helping.

Posted by Ramesh_Joseph on (September 3, 2013, 17:23 GMT)

I love the way BCCI handled this. Lorgat thought by releasing the itinerary to the press without consulting BCCI would pressurize BCCI into accepting it. BCCI went public saying that it does not accept the itinerary as it was not consulted and they were right. Logat still did not try to work out a solution. BCCI went ahead and finalized a WI series before the SA and the NZ one after that and even the England tour in June 2014, but has totally kept silent about the SA tour paying back Lorgat in his own coin. Now the ball is in Lorgat's court. I remember Lorgat was so arrogant when he was ICC CEO. Now he is getting a taste of his own medicine. In life you get what you give.

Posted by GRVJPR on (September 3, 2013, 17:12 GMT)

@Diwakar What's the problem? Why such overreaction? Obviously board has some problem and they have every right to take actions. The powers that BCCI have are earned. Australia, England, South Africa etc didn't presented anything to BCCI. It's BCCI's hard work. May I ask why other boards struggle to attract sponsors??

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 3, 2013, 16:51 GMT)

India seems to have been falling out with everyone recently either on or off the field. Sometimes both. Such a shame but that's what happens when excessive money is being thrown around

Posted by malepas on (September 3, 2013, 16:45 GMT)

@ Sahmed99:fully agreed, I think people who think BCCI can and should do whatever, should have read through the hue and cry of BCCI back in 70-80's when ECB and CA used to run the show, now they started to act Exactly like them even worst in most cases, the real issue behind CSA punishment is well known and that is that Lorgat tried to help PCB to stage their premier league after he left ICC and BCCI who has been actively engaged in trying to destroy PAK CRICKET from last 3 years, was unhappy and that's why they r trying to punish CSA, how on earth any board would allow another board to interfere in who should they appoint is mind boggling, BCCI been threatening this since Lorgat took over CSA, I think CSA should just cancel Indian tour and give 3 test each home series to CL and PAK. Let India play home series with minnos. PUBLISH THIS:

Posted by Diwakar on (September 3, 2013, 16:13 GMT)

It is a shame that no one has the spine to stand up to such arbitrary and regressive decisions. Given the way Test cricket is given a step-motherly treatment, money trumps everything.

Anything less than a 3-Test series is absolutely worthless. If the schedules do not permit that, enough already with the farce. Stop playing Tests and let true cricket die an unheralded death.

Let us all watch T20 for the next 3 years and watch it morph into baseball.

Posted by anilkp on (September 3, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

@Anand Jakhotia: You are right that both parties have not come up with any definitive statements. However, the stuff written here cannot escape one's thoughts if one looks at the Lorgat-BCCI saga. It pains to see how blind a big, rich, powerful and influential organization like BCCI can get. Is it too difficult to understand (and accept) that "each organization has its own right to elect its own leader"? CSA and BCCI are as distinct, independent entities operating in different countries. They are, and can remain, business partners, or can willingly severe all connections if they chose to. However, is that wise to do within a small community as Cricket? Is it wise for BCCI to whine and punch just because the CSA democratically elected someone whom the BCCI does not like? Where is the logic? Where is the common sense?

Posted by nlambda on (September 3, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

Am not sure what is going on but as an Indian this makes me unhappy. SA have been a great team and a good friend and we should maintain a strong relationship with them. This petty politicking will hurt cricket and fans. We admire Steyn, Amla, De Villiers, Kallis and are looking forward to watching them play.

Posted by Haxar on (September 3, 2013, 15:11 GMT)

SA/ENG/AUS used to boss around and ask for how many number of practice matches they want on an Indian tour and they do not give any when India tours their country.Now it's time for India to give back the same treatment and dictate terms for tour scheduling. Clearly CSA should have checked with BCCI prior to conforming the schedule and now they do not want to make alternative arrmnagments to make this tour happen.

Posted by binojpeter on (September 3, 2013, 15:04 GMT)

BCCI had asked one month ahead that they were not satisfied with the itinerary and CSA has to discuss it before finalizing it. But CSA without even consulting BCCI went ahead and finalized it. Probably CSA is mad that CL-T20 do not take place in SA this year. But that is not a reason to unilaterally decide the itinerary of a bilateral series.

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (September 3, 2013, 14:49 GMT)

Being an Indian I feel sorry for whole thing, and looks like BCCI has taken this Lrgat issue way too far. It was none of their business who CSA chose. What comes around goes around is the saying and god forbid if cricket stop generating revenue in future where BCCI will be headed then? And on part of CSA was it right to decide fixtures by their own and send it across without taking BCCI in confidence?

Posted by   on (September 3, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

All this speculative rumble from media & fans irt CSA & BCCI relations in turmoil is really silly since neither party has come with official statement of dissent. I believe the cricket administrators on both sides r wise enough to safeguard the interests of game & fans alike.What on earth makes u all feel that bcci would cut short such a hyped marquee series with lucrative broadcasting rights at stake. Hope they'll come with a formula which would satisfy all the concerned parties.

Posted by Ben2014 on (September 3, 2013, 14:33 GMT)

It is a sad situation. India was not happy about Haroon's appoint as the CEO of CSA. That said, they couldn't dicatate terms to another board. However the sensible thing to do for CSA was to do some PR work. Haroon talked big but did nothing. He should have gone to India and sorted things out. He didn't. Anyone would have reacted the same way as BCCI whether one has money or not. If your enemy partners with your best frined, it is only normal for one to hit back at the friend. Live with it.

Posted by SevereCritic on (September 3, 2013, 14:30 GMT)

7 ODIs is 4 too many. ODI series should be set to 3 per. I think ICC should standardize tours to 3-5 tests + 3-5 ODIs + 2 T20s.

Even better is play the ODI as a triangular series with the next touring party. Bilateral ODI series is really getting outdated.

Posted by cric_fan123 on (September 3, 2013, 14:18 GMT)

First of all guys, anyone pulling Sachin's name in. Its not about him. I am sure, he would've have been happy to play in SA for his 200.

Secondly, "When he was appointed as Majola's replacement, Lorgat said he was surprised to learn the BCCI disapproved of it and even threatened BCCI with a shortened or cancelled tour." Or was it reverse? BCCI threatened to pull out?

Problem is BCCI is a money spinner for many boards. They have the clout and lets face it CSA was made aware of the problems Lorgat's appointment will bring. Was BCCI correct in interfering another boards appointments? No. But CSA was made aware of the issues Lograt's appointment will bring.

They even went a step further by announcing itinerary without consulting the BCCI. This is where CSA messed it up. For BCCI, which is accustomed to getting its way - they felt wronged twice. They were not gonna let this go so easily.

Posted by muthu4664 on (September 3, 2013, 14:06 GMT)

Think CSA completely mishandled the Issue.Given the Financial Clout India have it is going to be great Loss for CSA. Lorgat send wrong signal to BCCI by releasing Schedule without consulting BCCI. If he really serious about maintaining good relationship with BCCI he would have consulted BCCI before finalizing fixture. While he tried to show he will not bow to BCCI pressure ultimately now it resulted in the other way. Without doubt Now BCCI is the boss of International Cricket due to its Revenue Potential.

Posted by TheCricketeer on (September 3, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

Quite right. CSA should certainly not be quiet. They should rather tell BCI to find someone else to play in December.

I for one will not be attending anymore two test series - if the CSA want to be abused by all and sundry so be it. I'll watch hockey or something. South Africa's players and fans deserve better.

Posted by hhillbumper on (September 3, 2013, 13:50 GMT)

BCCI need to remember one thing.Sooner or later the game can do without them.They might have the money but they have neither the wit nor the maturity to lead a game.They show all the class of the crass capitalism that they bring to the game.Not that you can say this of course because this will be perceived as a sleight against india itself by the seeminly over sensitive nationalistic ramblings we have to put up with on this site.

Posted by Sahmed99 on (September 3, 2013, 13:46 GMT)

How can we agree that India is interfering and then that this is ok, as they have the money.

Sorry! People should have a principled stance - not one based on financial clout.

The game will continue to suffer badly if we consider money to be more important than the game and meekly obey what we are told by any country, whoever and however powerful it may be.

Sad to see that countries are trying to appease one country solely due to their financial muscle.

Posted by vatsap on (September 3, 2013, 13:46 GMT)

Whatever goes round will come round, it isn't too far away for the BCCI to get back what it has given. A little more PR could have helped (on issues like DRS). I don't think Sachin would have wanted a circus and a hoopla for his 200th test. It would have been best for regular business to carry on and felicitate him later. Poor guy this has really put him in a spot. A 3 test series in SA is mouth watering for Indian fans to know how Pujara/Kohli/Vijay/Dhawan would face up, looks like it is not to be and we might end up seeing the Lankans once more. Boxing day tests always fun, even on Television, its a good tradition unfortunately India doesn't have one.

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