India in South Africa 2013-14

'Would be nice if Lorgat apologises' - Dalmiya

Amol Karhadkar

September 4, 2013

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Haroon Lorgat at a press conference after Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif were found guilty in London, Dubai, November 1, 2011
Haroon Lorgat's appointment as the CSA chief executive hasn't gone down well with the BCCI © Getty Images
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More than six weeks after Cricket South Africa chief executive Haroon Lorgat offered to "apologise" to anyone who he had offended in the BCCI, Jagmohan Dalmiya, the interim BCCI chief, has welcomed Lorgat's offer.

"Lorgat is a nice gentleman but it would be nice of him if he apologises," Dalmiya said in Kolkata, when asked about his reaction to Lorgat's offer that was made immediately after he was appointed the CSA chief executive despite the BCCI raising its objections.

While this may appear as softening of the BCCI's stand with Lorgat, the deadlock over the BCCI going to trim what was till a few days ago a tour of three Tests, seven ODIs and two Twenty20s, prevailed for another day.

While Dalmiya reiterated what the BCCI president N Srinivasan had said three days ago that "the tour is on", there was no formal exchange between representatives of the two boards. Even though Srinivasan, board secretary Sanjay Patel and treasurer Ravi Savant were together for most of the day along with other key executives at the BCCI headquarters in Mumbai, it was understood that the South Africa tour itinerary "wasn't even mentioned" in their discussions.

"The sole purpose of the meeting was to proof read and sign the annual report before it goes for printing ahead of the AGM," said an insider who was a part of the proceedings.

Across the continent, CSA indicated it would send out a release on Wednesday afternoon to reassure the fans and thank them for their support, but later said they would "try for tomorrow". Officials contacted at various franchises said they had no knowledge of any progress on the BCCI-CSA issue and were awaiting further instructions, although many of them expressed concern over a curtailed tour. 

It appears that unless CSA accedes to the cricket bosses in India, the situation is unlikely to change. At least till the BCCI AGM on September 29.

With additional reporting from Firdose Moonda.

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by crick_sucks on (September 10, 2013, 8:12 GMT)

@Biggus: you have lost it if you think international cricket will survive without India. Either you are a kid who doesn't understand economics or you are just a wishful thinker. Cricket boards all over the world aren't headed by fools(except SA that is) for them to dance to BCCI's music. They need to play India regularly just to merely survive. No one watches Zim Vs Pak or WI vs Pak. You need to play India to get noticed in the world stage. Understand? I guess you can't.

Posted by Nampally on (September 8, 2013, 21:41 GMT)

It is time for BCCI & CSA to behave in a Mature & diplomatic manner in dealings with Cricket matters. An individual is not above the Nation that he or she is representing. The attitude of each Board represents the pulse of the Nation. If the Board President or its members cannot reflect this they should resign & stick to politicking in their National Houses of Parliament. The game of Cricket should be kept clean & above politics. If Mr. Lorgat extends a hand of friendship & conciliation, Mr. Dalmiya should grab it & use it to settle any misunderstanding between the 2 Boards. In addition CSA must guarantee a minimum profit to BCCI to make the tour worth while - If stands are empty, TV revenues should compensate for it. Indian fans definitely owe an explanation as to why SA Tour has been sandwiched between WI & NZ Test matches. Why was the WI Tour of India put in place at the eleventh hour? Is it because of anticipated losses from SA Tour? BCCI/CSA need to be transparent & Accountable!

Posted by Harmony111 on (September 8, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

@Biggus:

What exactly is this bullying behaviour of BCCI that you talk of? Mind telling us a few cases where the BCCI took a baseless stand contrary to what the other side felt?

Posted by Biggus on (September 8, 2013, 6:27 GMT)

@Vishal_07:-You're dreaming if you think modern cricket can't survive without India. It's just those sort of attitudes that seem to drive the BCCI to act in the way it does, and fans like yourself to make similarly uninformed comments. Cricket survived just fine before India became a modern powerhouse and would do so again in the absence of them. Sure, less money would be on the table for TV deals in tests Vs India but we'd manage to get by. It's nice for India that they matter to the modern game but don't suppose for one moment that the rise of India has left the rest of us incapable of managing our affairs or so beholden to that country that we will stand by idly forever and watch the BCCI act in the bullying manner which it deems to be it's birthright. The time is fast coming when the rest of the cricketing world will say, "Enough is enough" so don't say you haven't been warned. If India chooses to continue to act in the way it does there will be a showdown and it won't be pleasant.

Posted by Vishal_07 on (September 8, 2013, 3:30 GMT)

For those of you who are suggesting not to involve India in cricket, you do realize that without India's participation cricket will cease to exist in the modern world. There are enough sports these days - soccer, basketball, tennis, baseball, hockey - to keep people interested. And just look at the West Indies, more and more of their populace is interested in basketball and see the muddle cricket is in there.

Fact is, to compete for TV viewership against these other sports, cricket needs big money. and only one country can keep that going, yes, INDIA!

Posted by Harmony111 on (September 7, 2013, 9:27 GMT)

@PrasPunter: Australia's latest record is 0-8 in India alone & 0-7 overall. Do Australia care or not care for tests? You decide ....

What easy format of WC you talk about huh? Was it only for India? Did other teams play a diff formant? Btw, how was the WC2011 format an easy one? What is easier? Playing 3 knock out matches to win the title or to have a format where it is first a pool then super sixes into which you carry pool points & then play in a round robin manner to qualify for the SF and then to play only 2 knock out matches to win the Title?

How is India's victory easily attained when they batted 2nd in two of the three knock out matches. They chased to win against the Defending World Champions & they chased to become the New World Champions.

If you are suggesting that money power was involved in deciding the result of these matches then it only shows how much perversion is now rooted in some anti-India fans here. It also shows Team Australia in poor light for losing the QF.

Posted by   on (September 7, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

And what did Lorgat do that so offended India? He insisted on implementing DRS, which all the other test nations agree with, yet BCCI want to keep cricket in the dark ages with high error rates in making decisions. It seems to me that a few individuals with an inflated sense of self at the top of BCCI are pursuing a crazy vendetta for personal reasons rather than thinking about what is best for Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (September 7, 2013, 7:16 GMT)

So let me see if I understand this correctly. Because India has lots of people and hence there is lots of television money for playing against them, this means that they should have the right to decide which person leads the cricket association in South Africa. Sounds like imperialism to me.

Meanwhile the South African test team is No. 1 on the ICC rankings, and the Indian team can't really improve without beating better teams. Winning against the West Indies and New Zealand won't help them much.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 18:07 GMT)

Dirty politics, rotten inflated egos - this is the story of Indian cricket. Now its time that to make cricket a real sports and not a mean to settle scores at global stage, countries like SA, Aus and England should take lead and cut India down to its real size. They may end up losing a few million dollars but game of cricket would survive. I have intentionally left out ICC's name as it is the most impotent sports body in the world.

Posted by JetsFanInDenver on (September 6, 2013, 17:27 GMT)

This is what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you. But CSA went a step further. Not only did they appoint Lorgat but they went ahead and announced an itinerary without consulting BCCI at all.

Not sure what plan CSA has in mind and what they were trying to accomplish. It defies all logic and common sense and now they have their hat in hand and have no other option but to agree to a curtailed tour.

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 6, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

to all who question my rationale with my previous post, india never bothered about tests. All they bothered about was filling their pockets with money. So 0-8 is going to affect them the least compared to a WC loss. When india was kicked out of WC 2007, there was widespread resentment about the loss of revenues. So it is obvious that the corporates doesn't want india to lose. Hence the easy format , which has been extended to WC 2015 as well.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Cont from page 2..... A true cricket fan can't comment like "BCCI are as cheap as they can get"; "The BCCI has too much power and only interests lie in: assuring Tendulkar gets 200 Tests without Steyn and co putting him into retirement; "To reduce the matches against SA so India's test rankings will no go down"; "Boards & officials are threatened . No great surprise india winning matches & players making records"; "pure arrogance by BCCI, ICC should show some spine against these blackmailing acts by indian board"; "havent seen such a blazen display of arrogance No surprises about india winning WC, champions trophy and what not" and many. This is not a kind of respect by true cricket lover. Fans need to understand how event management works & certainly not like what CSA done. CSA can't bring obstacle in other's development (BCCI) by raising this issue till last date. The intent of CSA looks much more than real which was seen in last 2 month's developments.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 10:51 GMT)

Continue from Page 1....

Professionalism make BCCI distinct than other boards. But whose money is this belongs to? It is of common citizens of IND collected by investors and advertisers from IND market. When we are going to a decentralization of the system so that individual get autonomy & work better, we are demanding centralization of financial investments for the sake of money to disperse among others. It is totally irrational. What we are witnessing here is a fight for money earned from viewership by a single country. The FIFA style can't be implemented in cricket. The every individual governing body has to work hard to raise the popularity & revenue. The bilateral affairs can't be centralized for recovery of money. Fans can't grudge and target a single capable governing body and malign them with false & unfair allegations.

To be cont.....Page 2

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

We are supposed to be true cricket lovers who are very much passionate about the game. The players & The Teams are greatest ambassadors of the game who are representing their countries. Each country has independent autonomous governing bodies. The game is not as much popular as Football. We have permanent Test playing members which are in 2 digit number unlike Football which are in 3 digits. Each governing body is controlling internal infrastructures as well as International commitments. Due to popularity in all over the world, Football attracts immense revenue. Whereas cricket's popularity moves around 3 o 4 countries w.r.t. attraction of revenue and IND is on top of that. Some of the bodies are so bad in respect of attracting game that their own premier leagues collapsed within a year. In addition to that the style of functionaries also has hampered their organisation. The popularity in IND raises the investment of their businesses in their games.

To be continued.....page 1.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 9:31 GMT)

To avoid issues like this the ICC should be the only body who decides the amount of games and who to play against who. They can have the two boards present when deciding about the amount of games. I wonder how many times the BCCI has followed this way of doing the amount of games before the tour. Why would CSA do a tour schedule without talking to the BCCI. Did cricket SA just accept the FTP as a guideline? DID anyone at the BCCI talk to CSA or did they just wait for SA to choose Lorgat before they decided to challenge the tour plans. To me it seems as if its a personal vendetta against Lorgat by the bcci. To avoid this the ICC should step in and do their work by governing world cricket. If The BCCI don't like it they must just pull out of the ICC. It's about time the ICC tke a bold stance on the game we love so much. How can a cricket board hold the governing body ransom and everybody just accepts it just for the money that board brings in.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 6:59 GMT)

Many seem to be blocking out the following part in the write-up, while posting their comments.

"...Dalmiya said in Kolkata, when asked about his reaction to Lorgat's offer, that was ..."

Posted by   on (September 6, 2013, 6:53 GMT)

@Kenneth Borland : It is you (not Majrekar) who seems to be misinformed. CSA did NOT consult BCCI, before the tour schedule was published.

I am still shocked to see many people are writing as if Dalmia asked for an apology. He was just responding to a pointed question.

If you don't like someone, any stick is good enough to beat him with. (Incidentally, I am NOT a fan of BCCI, Dalmia, or Srini. I am a fan of good cricket in general, and of course, Indian Team is in particular.

When India is NOT playing many Indian fans suppory West INdies, South Africa & New Zealand. Just for your info.

Posted by v8v8v8 on (September 6, 2013, 6:42 GMT)

Anything less than 3 tests as per the original schedule is unacceptable. For the players, the fans and all the cricket lovers.

Whatever game the BCCI & CSA administrators are playing, it sure ain't cricket.

Posted by SherjilIslam on (September 6, 2013, 5:59 GMT)

I can see all India haters getting worked up here, but the question still remains the same why CSA didn't consulted BCCI before announcing the schedule???? Forget about the apology, at-least Mr. Lorgat should have initiated a discussion with BCCI to finalize the tour programme before formally announcing it. Disgusting behavior from both the boards

Posted by gocool_here on (September 6, 2013, 5:49 GMT)

@Sandip Manjrekar. No buddy. This discussion is not about India team or their performances, this is about BCCI & CSA. As a fan, I just want to watch good matches between good teams. I am not really concerned about who Srini or Dalmiya or Lorgat is. If they want to fight, let them do it outside the cricket world. BCCI should understand they are here to serve us (Indian fans) & to protect the game!. Not the other way around!...They can not decide on their own to cancel a tour for some childish reason & cheat us fans by not going ahead with this mouthwatering tour.

Posted by Zaheerahmed on (September 6, 2013, 5:47 GMT)

Dirty politics, rotten inflated egos - this is the story of Indian cricket. Now its time that to make cricket a real sports and not a mean to settle scores at global stage, countries like SA, Aus and England should take lead and cut India down to its real size. They may end up losing a few million dollars but game of cricket would survive. I have intentionally left out ICC's name as it is the most impotent sports body in the world.

Posted by DaveFish on (September 6, 2013, 5:12 GMT)

For the Love of Cricket.... as fans we just want to watch as much Cricket as we possible can.

All in favor...

Posted by heathrf1974 on (September 6, 2013, 4:09 GMT)

It shouldn't be the BCCI or CSA's responsibility to determine the amount of matches. It should be the ICC.

Posted by srinideva on (September 6, 2013, 2:20 GMT)

i don't know why the mumbai and kolkata requesting for hosting the second test match. I hope this is not a ipl game. He played for india not for any city and state in his international carrier...

Posted by Newlandsfaithful on (September 5, 2013, 23:01 GMT)

Please, lets avoid a bizarre international incident and simply scrap this series altogether. I would rather watch SA play a lesser team with a sense of friendly rivalry and enjoyment in the competition than watch a series that is already being clouded with issues, tensions and ugly speculations. Nothing good for the game of cricket can come from this series.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 22:37 GMT)

Pathetic behaviour from the bullying INDIAN CRICKET BOARD - grow up and stop behaving like a petulant child

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 22:08 GMT)

And what exactly should Haroon Lorgat apologise for? For doing his job as the CEO of the ICC and trying to look after the best interests of the global game? Must he apologise for not kowtowing to the every whim of dictatorial, self-serving administrators like Dalmiya and Srinivasan? Oh, and @SandipManjrekar, you have been misled: SA didn't just unilaterally announce the original schedule, BCCI had been consulted several times and had given input, which they now seem to have forgotten about.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 20:45 GMT)

ECB, NZCB & WICB has no problem with BCCI to finalize the itinerary. What's wrong with CSA? Who is scoring points on other? BCCI or CSA? Is there functionaries stop working in CSA? Is there nobody other than Logart who can sort out the tours as Logart seems to have some problem with BCCI and that's why he chooses media to brief? Where are the representatives of CSA to communicate with BCCI? Enough damage done by CSA only. They are really not serious of this tour & seem to be packing of tour so as to blame it on others. It's not fault with BCCI.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 20:32 GMT)

Who is toying with cricket fans? Is it still BCCI or CSA? Should IND not to play any home tour this season? Do BCCI tell CSA to organise 7 ODIs & 2 T20s? Do this kind of CSA's unprofessional ethics are legitimate? Do BCCI have no say in bilateral series? Do BCCI endorse no to Test cricket? Is it so difficult for CSA to converge period of 63 days to 35 days? Can CSA not able to plan 4 Tests in 35 days? It's CSA to make maximum profit from ODI's & T20s because of highest TRP? BCCI has nothing to do it with this. Are bouncy pitches being termed as only standard of judging cricketing skills? Are Steyne & Morkel being supermen of the earth to whom no one can face them? If IND scores, they are termed as playing for records or they have scored on flat pitches. What kind of mentality & sportsmanship is this? Judging by recent form of IND & previous history of SA tours, no one can say on authority that IND will be crushed. If IND turn the table this time, will be the same comments seen here?

Posted by sharidas on (September 5, 2013, 17:57 GMT)

It's the players of both countries and cricket fans everywhere, who suffer, purely due to, what I would term as , a clash of egos. I for one, find it highly improper for BCCI to object, as to who should head South African Cricket. I am an Indian and I find this highly offensive.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 17:36 GMT)

being an Indian myself I will say it's a disgrace that bcci is trying to impose on other boards. but let's not drag the team into this, the Indian team won the champions trophy in England and we're by far the best side in the tournament.

Don't forget the time when England and Australia dominated the sport and tried to impose their authority.

lastly each board wants to make money for themselves, BCCI it's trying to make money for the sport in India, which there is nothing wrong with. and all of you guys taking about 3~0, we know the state of the sport in SA, the ICE rankings may say SA is number 1...but we saw what happened in the recent series

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 17:35 GMT)

The issue was bilateral. CSA made it unilateral. Media & fans made it global. Where did BCCI's bulling power see by fans? BCCI's concerns: 4 Tests were played by IND in calendar year 2013 and SA-NZL tours' schedules are due. BCCI wants to accommodate home tour in between space available. CSA made schedule unilaterally & broadcasted through media without consulting relevant party. The concerned party (BCCI) responded & expressed objections. BCCI also has certain plans. CSA kept silence on this issue deliberately & didn't communicate to BCCI till 29th AUG 2013. Can CSA keep guessing BCCI like this? Does CSA suggest that BCCI should adhere only to SA's FTP & should not hold any plans? Does CSA appreciate media & tough talk diplomacy by maintaining silence and idle approach? What should BCCI expecting to do? CSA hold the period from 18th NOV to 19 JAN 2014, i.e. 63 days!!! Who is cornering, BCCI or CSA? Does CSA has no responsibility? Where is a fight between Haroon & BCCI seen? TBC......

Posted by philvic on (September 5, 2013, 16:52 GMT)

Puneet Mahahan: Steyn is better than all the bowlers you have mentioned (in Malinga's case miles better) - only Marshall and Holding in the modern era compare (look at the stats). Having said that, there is no doubt that Tendulkar in his prime would have played Steyn well nor any doubt that Steyn would have dismissed him now and again. Regarding BCCI, I agree - Hubris rules but never for ever.

Posted by Desihungama on (September 5, 2013, 16:42 GMT)

When England ruled cricket for over 100 years did they make anyone apologize considering they were in the role as colonizer of many countries? In fact, credit to England for bringing Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and countless other Associates Members into Cricket fold. Now, the reigns of cricket is in the hands of India and their first act - Sideline Pakistan. 2nd act - Tried to meddle in the affairs of an independent board and when that did not work they are now trying to make that official bend over backwards? I dare say INDIA is detrimental not just to the growth of cricket but detrimental to cricket itself. It's done and dusted I am afraid.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 16:18 GMT)

the logic inthis apology game is not clear.can somebody throw light on this forindian cricket fans and all other concerned,dalmiya expressing opinion on largat apology is not understanble.

also the second issue of wi tour accommodating sachins 200 test match in india is good.what is harm indoing this for cricketing legend?the remarks made by various unconcerned people above should be totally ignored and we should go ahead with preparations for sachins 200 test in india and particularly in Mumbai-home town of him.from gate collections/advertisements boards and revenue -Mumbai is best suited.

Posted by NarendraVerma on (September 5, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

Just want to throw some light upon the base issue behind this as most of cricket fans are amused about what & why it is happening.

It is not the fight between CA & BCCI, instead it's the fight between Lorgat and BCCI or I should more precisely say its between Lorgat & Dalmiya alone. When Lorgat failed to impose DRS on India during his tenure at ICC, he was involved in transferring World Cup 2011 India Vs England tie from Kolkata. He was the one who does not allowed Kolkata to host that match and Dalmiya taking revenge of the same. So true, every Dog has its day.

Posted by trav29 on (September 5, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

@cpt.meanster you say the BCCi wont lose out but surely if the SA tour doesn't go ahead or is at least curtailed then indian cricket fans will lose out on seeing their team play against the best side around and aren't the BCCI meant to represent indian cricket fans ?

Posted by niazbhi on (September 5, 2013, 14:28 GMT)

Lets revisit what an apology means. When people feel they are wronged their feelings can be somewhat soothed by an apology. BCCI was mad for other countries getting DRS (india does not play under DRS). India and CSA were talking about the schedule, but india never approved any schedule because BCCI wanted to influence Lorgat appointment. When Lorgat got appointed, the schedule was already posted (not approved). Lorgat wanted to open up the conversation by saying he would apologize if he has hurt anyone. BCCI should open up and say what made them hurt instead of saying "apologize". ECB asked for apology because channel nine had accusations (which they consider false). Lorgat let other countries play under DRS (why does it bother india so much?). He got elected in CSA. BCCI is hurt for those two reasons. They cannot publicly say those two reasons because they know their stand on those issues were wrong.

Posted by Arthaurian on (September 5, 2013, 14:14 GMT)

As far as im concerned you only apologize for things you say that you don't mean. So Mr. Lorgat if you never meant anything you said and stood for while at the ICC, then by all means.

Posted by Cricket_Man on (September 5, 2013, 14:11 GMT)

If BCCI wants an apology from Haroon Lorgat then BCCI is actually asking for an apology from ICC because it was Mr. Lorgat's actions as an ICC official that caused BCCI distress. If Haroon Lorgat apologizes then it would be very embarrassing for ICC. ICC should not allow Haroon Lorgat to apologize otherwise it would look weak. Or ICC should accept BCCI's stance on matters where the Indian board had disputes with Mr. Lorgat.

Posted by screamingeagle on (September 5, 2013, 14:05 GMT)

@SCC08, no one cares about you respecting Indian team. No one respected when they were No.1, you guys will only find new things to crib. I am not defending BCCI but try not to drag the team into this. It is hilarious when you say Tendulkar who has 20+ years of cricket behind him is looking for a sof way to get to 200 tests.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 14:01 GMT)

Asalmoalikum haroon lorgot we all afghanistan people love you and happy from you that you give to our national cricket associate membership thanks

Posted by Babu22 on (September 5, 2013, 13:58 GMT)

@Sachin_the_greatest: Let me tell you something that you didn't understand. SA toured Aus many times, every time SA played us (Aus) during our Boxing Day test. When SA visited Aus in 2008-09, they requested that the next SA-Aus series should be in SA, and Aus should play the BDT in SA. But Aus refused saying that we would like to play our BDT in Aus, not in SA. SA then requested (in 2011) SL, they didn't request India, to play the BDT. SA-Ind series was always as per the previous FTP. You need to understand that just as India wants to maximise their revenues during home series, Aus and SA also want to maximise revenues during their respective home series (I hope Aus or SA don't need to apologise for thinking of revenues - LOL). For us BDT and New year tests are like icon tests and people can plan one year ahead. Because we have been doing it for years, we want to do it every year. One more thing, the schedule was sent to Ind before Lorgat became the CSA boss. Blaming him is stupid.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 13:57 GMT)

Somebody give them a dose of humility please? BCCI has gone way over the top really..

@SCC08 and the likes: Can there ever be a rational discussion without degrading SRT or the Indian team in general? BCCI is not Indian cricket team and not Indian fans. Look at this forum and count the number of Indian fans supporting BCCI in this or any matter whatsoever. To your point by the way Steyn has burst on the scene when Tendulkar is in the twilight of his career. He has faced and "survived" retirement against better bowlers in Donald, McGrath, Akram, Younis, Malinga and Murali.

Posted by baigsaab on (September 5, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

BCCI's stance is so insipid it's not even funny. Isn't it ironic that if the same attitude were to be shown by the players of either board, they'd have been sidelined or even penalized for their 'rightful' claim (if we consider BCCI's demand as such). Cricket as we once knew is lost, It's dictated by TV rights and governed by bureaucrats, along the way the top players are gratified but the lower-level players, the ground-staff, the fans, all the ones who're in it for only the love of the sport and earn nothing from it are treated as Pariahs.

Sadly, the 'gentlemen's game' is being ruined by the gentlemen in suits!

Posted by Sarfin on (September 5, 2013, 13:28 GMT)

Can anyone explain what 'exactly' Lorgat did to make BCCI so much angry? From a neutral perspective, it's completely unacceptable behavior from BCCI. From now on, no one will ever dare to oppose BCCI. Trust me, that's not good for cricket. But again, who cares for the game?

Posted by SCC08 on (September 5, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

The BCCI has too much power and only interests lie in :

#assuring Tendulkar gets 200 Tests without Steyn and co putting him into retirement

#filling their pockets

And requesting SA not to appoint a member within the CSA is an absolute disgrace. Who do india think they are?

India, be brave and try and play SA to a full series in their own backyard..... Until then, no one will respect your current team, can only play on flat tracks.

Posted by chotteguru on (September 5, 2013, 13:17 GMT)

If, as it seems the case, that BBCI took offense at whatever Mr Lorgat, the ICC CEO, did or said, then that should have been resolved and bedded at the ICC level. Extending those greviences to how two boards should conduct their activities is not acceptable, as it adversely affects what is good for cricket in both countries as well as ricket as a whole.

Posted by Babu22 on (September 5, 2013, 13:15 GMT)

@Sachin_the_greatest: FYI, I have done my research. SA have always played Boxing day tests since 1993, except last year. Some BDTs were in Aus, but they were BDTs anyway. A few years ago India were saying they would like to play Pongal tests at Chennai every year Jan 14. Say India played Pongal tests for 10 years and some other team says they wouldn't play a Pongal test, will you accept? Will you not say it's tradition? That is the reason I said that Aus or SA do not need permission to schedule a Boxing day test. If you have never been to Aus or SA, you will never understand. It's our season. We can't play in winter due to rains. This is my research: List of SA BDTs since 1993 (in brackets is the team SA played against in that year's Boxing Day Test) - 93(Aus), 94(NZ), 95(Eng), 96(Ind), 97(Aus), 98(WI), 99(Eng) 00(SL), 01(Aus), 02(Pak), 03(WI), 04(Eng), 05(Aus), 06(Ind), 07(WI), 08(Aus), 09(Eng), 10(Ind), 11(SL). All BDTs against Aus were in Aus, as Aus also plays BDTs.

Posted by doubledeckerbaas on (September 5, 2013, 13:13 GMT)

Could someone say what the supposed 'apology' would be for? Is Lorgat sorry for being elected against BCCI wishes or did he do something to warrant an apology? Why didn't BCCI want him elected? And why should anyone care who BCCI want to lead CSA? If this kind of manipulation is taking place off the field, it's no wonder they're struggling to deal with fixing on the field.

Posted by mathewjohn2176 on (September 5, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 5, 2013, 10:26,By your logic, no wonder Australian team lost the match against india in World Cup quarter final for the same obvious reason and this goes to srilanka in final match also.And if this is true, its a shame to other country cricket teams to lose match like this for the same " obvious reason". And how does india lost 8 away test matches ? Logic is weird ,isnt it? Cricinfo please publish .

Posted by Tijara on (September 5, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Please somebody write a full article on this topic. What is the Problem between BCCI and CSA?

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Posted by Babu22 on (September 5, 2013, 10:24 GMT)

It would be nice if you do some research before you post comments, SA for past several years didnt had boxing day Test match infact they were in Autralia last time around. it's only when Australia dicided not to return the favour they scheduled their own boxing day match inviting India (at that time no body went after CA like people are going after BCCI)... So SA always has Boxing day test match is a bit of overstatement.

Secondly it's a bilateral series, you need to ask before making to public, if i can give an e.g. of aus recent tour to India, one test match was suppose to be held at Kanpur but after CA objection it was moved.

hope i have clarified lot of things

Posted by IndieFan on (September 5, 2013, 11:56 GMT)

@Babu22 This is a series being supposed to be played between India and South Africa. Not South Africa and South Africa. So you need permission from Indian board. As simple as that. For any tour both boards have to agree upon the dates. One board cannot unilaterally decide.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 11:40 GMT)

I can't believe here are some of you guys saying that CSA should not have elected Lorgat. what next? the BCCI elects the teams of other countries also. Should teams bow down to BCCI just because they bring in big money? Lets do it the other way around. Lets not make that big money and play the game with the other boards and see how long the BCCI hold out. People are already fed up with games between SL and India. Maybe another series every 3 months against each other would be fun for the BCCI. It will be tough going in the beginning but in the end Cricket will be the big winner.

Posted by Suresh123456 on (September 5, 2013, 11:39 GMT)

What is this buzz of criticizing BCCI. Just remember that the role of any organization is to protect and support the players views and request and it was doing exactly the same. We should not forget that the DRS was opposed by the three superstar of the world cricket... Sachin , Dravid and Ganguly at that time. It was simply because we all knew that the DRS is not fair and not good for the game. And after watching Ashes 2013 .. I certainly has more respect for the views of the three superstars. What we have seen during Ashes was seen by them 4 years ago.

Posted by ZCFOutkast on (September 5, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

We're South African cricket fans and we're not bothered. After all, most of us don't get to play the game or watch our favourites - thanks to Lorgat, Hudson, Basson & Co's policies. Our 'players' are littered all over playing for the Proteas, Eng,NZ&Scotland! Unlike the players whose opportunities they're holding back, they themselves have no pride in the country and can just up and leave on a whim.

Good on India for bullying CSA. If businesses sponsorship here can bully the association into making appointments "agreeable" to them, then India can do likewise. No one blamed local companies when they withdrew sponsorship over the Majola saga, but the "great" Ali Bacher himself had hidden issues which they were all too glad to ignore. Stop crying foul.

Inexplicably, CSA were so quick to cut ties with their neighbour Zim Cricket at their weakest too. Sent a side to Zim for a triangular with BD but called it an XI side(which almost lost). Unlike India, in way they are still ignoring Zim!

Posted by MelbourneMiracle on (September 5, 2013, 11:26 GMT)

Behind all these reasons there's only one motive. To reduce the matches against SA so India's test rankings will no go down heavily even though they will be hammered in the two matches.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 10:51 GMT)

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 5, 2013, 10:26 GMT)

Going by your judgement india should not have lost 8-0 right ? then why did that happen,

it is highly surprising to see as narrow minded people as i see in BCCI

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

BCCI are as cheap as they can get, they should be ashamed of themselves and Lorgat should be ashamed of himself for loosing whatever self respect he had

Posted by creekeetman on (September 5, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

what would be nice is if we, the fans, got 3 tests...

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

Posted by shane-oh on (September 5, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

@ All

Why was the apology offered at first place when you not going to act on it.

like all even we want 3-4 test match series, i even agree that BCCI is not correct MOST of the times.

But what i see here is two faces of CSA cheif. When person of such deignation says that " Realationship with BCCI is my TOP priority " what exactly has he done in past 1 month to improve a relationship ?

Saying something is far more eaiser then acting on it.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

Many are writing as if Dalmia asked for an apology. He was just accepting Logart's offer. And that too as a response to a pointed question posed to him.

When BCCI objected to the unilateral tour programme dates; CSA did not respond. They just sat on their egos!

Now, when BCCI squeezed the available window for the SA tour, from both ends, it is physically impossible to schedule all the games, as originally planned. Administratively speaking; it is SA, CSA & the SA Franchises who are adversely hit. Even then Lorgat didn't think of sending some officials to fanalise a mutually acceptable tour programme. before the window is further narrowed

Yes, both the the Boards are behaving in a juvenile fashion; but Lorgat as the guardian of SA cricket at the moment should have responded promptly with action, and not just polite rhetoric. Doesn't he also care for cricket? Like many of the top Administrators of BCCI?

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 5, 2013, 10:26 GMT)

@Herath-UK, exactly my thought . No surprises about india winning WC, champions trophy and what not, for the exactly the same reasons .

Posted by Babu22 on (September 5, 2013, 10:24 GMT)

@Sachin_The_Greatest: Think about it this way, if you can. Australia and SA have always had Boxing Day and New Year tests. Every person in this universe who knows cricket knows that these two countries traditionally play these two tests because that's our summer, our season and that's when we play. To schedule a Boxing day test and New Year test, I don't think we need to take anybody's "Grand Permission". BCCI wants to play ODIs first (thus ruling out Boxing Day test), and reduce the no. of tests, so probably even the New year test is in doubt. That's what we have always been playing and that's when we want to play. What's wrong in that? It's funny when people say SA or Aus need to take ***PERMISSION*** to schedule these tests.

Posted by ramli on (September 5, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

What if SA tour does not materialize? there are always enough countries to fill the void (read SL, WI, even Pak, etc.) either to tour India or inviting Indian team ... so no problem for BCCI ...

Posted by TopTipper on (September 5, 2013, 9:56 GMT)

BCCI holds grudges against Lorgat while he was in his role at the ICC. Why is BCCI mixing that role with his current CSA role, which is completely different? BCCI is behaving like a 7 year old indeed. Grow up BCCI and get a 101 in professionalism. Furthermore, there is no clarity on who is really leading the BCCI presently. BCCI first needs to get its house in order and establish good internal governance to prevent such public embarrassments. On a added note, BCCI not voted in by the Indian cricket fans does not mean they are not accountable to us.

Posted by MK88 on (September 5, 2013, 9:41 GMT)

When does it start to be about cricket? Right now is about egos and monies. Both boards are at fault here. Why is BCCI concerning themselves about CSA politics. I'm happy that CSA ignored BCCI's objections and appointed Lorgat. And for CSA, Why 7 ODIs? Really?? Why not toss in an extra test? This is just about money, not cricket.

Posted by recycle-bin-is-empty on (September 5, 2013, 9:37 GMT)

@snbirdi excellent point mate, lets hope fans from both SA and India don't fight against each other for this childish and

immature behaviour by their boards. Though the behaviour of BCCI is indeed childish, but fault lies with CSA also for this

mess.

@Cpt.Meanster "This is exactly like how the United States imposes sanctions on a certain nation on the grounds of being a

super power." That doesn't mean that what they do is right. " If Lorgat wants the welfare of CSA, he should apologize. If he doesn't, CSA will lose out. The BCCI won't be affected in

any way" who really cares mate ?? As fans we should care about what we are going to lose if this series is scrapped.

Personally, I think this series should happen like the recant India vs Australia series, even with the shortened duration

there is still room for a 3 or 4 test match series or maybe 2 or 3 t-20s. India can go there later for odis. Nobody loses,

and fans also get to watch both tests and t-20s.

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 5, 2013, 9:19 GMT)

@AltafPatel , well said mate. I am just waiting for that day. You know what, the world-bodies for all practical purposes put up a posture that they have good relations with the BCCI. When the appropriate time comes, they will be the first to take revenge.

Posted by recycle-bin-is-empty on (September 5, 2013, 8:38 GMT)

@snbirdi excellent point mate, lets hope fans from both SA and India don't fight against each other for this childish and immature behaviour by their boards. Though the behaviour of BCCI is indeed childish, but fault lies with CSA also for this mess.

@Cpt.Meanster "This is exactly like how the United States imposes sanctions on a certain nation on the grounds of being a super power." That doesn't mean that what they do is right. " If Lorgat wants the welfare of CSA, he should apologize. If he doesn't, CSA will lose out. The BCCI won't be affected in any way" who really cares mate ?? As fans we should care about what we are going to lose if this series is scrapped.

Personally, I think this series should happen like the recant India vs Australia series, even with the shortened duration there is still room for a 3 or 4 test match series or maybe 2 or 3 t-20s. India can go there later for odis. Nobody loses, and fans also get to watch both tests and t-20s.

Posted by TheRedLeb on (September 5, 2013, 8:34 GMT)

The BCCI have a very over inflated opinion of themselves ... whether they where offended or not, all members of the ICC council have the right to voice there opinions and be heard. Lorgat never set out to offend anyone .... more a case of the BCCI not getting all there own way than anything else.

The fact that the BCCI is now threatening to curtail its tour to SA is laughable and should not be allowed. unfortunately the BCCI thinks it is above the ICC

Posted by shane-oh on (September 5, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

Wouldn't it be nice to see Lorgat refuse to apologise, and CSA send the message that this regime of bullying and intimidation is now getting embarrassing? Alas, I suspect they will instead bow down to the bullies. What a world we live in when the BCCI thinks it gets the casting vote over another country's chief executive. Utter madness.

Posted by Herath-UK on (September 5, 2013, 8:19 GMT)

Boards & officials are threatened . Who would like to be on the wrong side of the BCCI. No great surprise india winning matches & players making records. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 8:07 GMT)

csa does have to apologise for 1- they formulated tour of India without consulting bcci. 2- they appointed lorgat despite bcci ' s advice. now csa will lose massive money if lorgat not apologise. rational thing is to apologise to bcci and get on with the beautiful game

Posted by bhusaranga on (September 5, 2013, 8:03 GMT)

When a protocol breached, side effect bound to appear. One side just can not wait and watch.

Posted by criclover_at_cricinfo on (September 5, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

pure arrogance by BCCI, ICC should show some spine against these blackmailing acts by indian board, i dont think CSA should go so low for some more matches. it's high time this BCCI monopoly is broken.

Posted by PrasPunter on (September 5, 2013, 7:53 GMT)

havent seen such a blazen display of arrogance !! What on earth is this entity called bcci upto ? Matter of time before things change !! Learn to be humble. The other bodies must boycott its ties with the bcci. Without any one to play, can see how the bcci can get its monies.

Posted by Rukky on (September 5, 2013, 7:44 GMT)

Being an Indian, I really don't like whatever being done by BCCI. I don't know why don't they understand the importance of Cricket..! what they want to show to other? we are very dominating board, we are the richest cricketing nation.!!what they want to show? I think such instances are embarrassing the whole world cricket. Okay understand there might be something which is not acceptable to BCCI offered or said by Lorgat, but it doesn't mean you show your power in such circumstances and cut the itinerary. Really a childish behavior by Indian board.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 7:41 GMT)

india , the new master :P

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 7:32 GMT)

Posted by humi_cric on (September 5, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

"I am ready to apologize if I have hurt anyone". there is a difference between saying and actually acting on the same.

nobody is asking Mr. logart to Kneel down to BCCI's office, but formal apology letter would also do,

I do not know the reasons, but if you have hurt someone with your actions isn't it the responsibilty of the person to sort out the problems.

Rather then addressing this to media Haroon could have easily made call to concerend parties and nobody would have known & issue would have been settled.

But it has been more than a month but he has not acted on what he said, this clearly seems that it is all words no actions.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 7:28 GMT)

Posted by humi_cric on (September 5, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

"I am ready to apologize if I have hurt anyone". there is a difference between saying and actually acting on the same.

nobody is asking Mr. logart to Kneel down to BCCI's office, but formal apology letter would also do,

I do not know the reasons, but if you have hurt someone with your actions isn't it the responsibilty of the person to sort out the problems.

Rather then addressing this to media Haroon could have easily made call to concerend parties and nobody would have known & issue would have been settled.

But it has been more then a month but he has not acted on what he said, this clearly seems that it is all words no actions.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 7:26 GMT)

While the main point under discussion (i.e. India-SA series) is a matter to be resolved between two boards, is there ANY way that the sanctity of the Future Tours Program (FTP) can be maintained? ICC should either do away with the FTP, or (I) ensure a fair FTP (II) ensure that the agreed FTP is adhered to. Regards

Posted by niazbhi on (September 5, 2013, 7:24 GMT)

"This is exactly like how the United States imposes sanctions on a certain nation on the grounds of being a super power". Obama is not a kid. He would never say "apologize or else". Criket isno longer a gentlemen's game. The most powerful man in cricket is not one.

Posted by AltafPatel on (September 5, 2013, 7:24 GMT)

BCCI is interested in money and politics out of the Cricket. They never seemed talking that favours cricket. There is not doubt, when time comes with world cricket, they will take all their revenge.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 7:21 GMT)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 5, 2013, 1:38 GMT)

Do you not see any problems with announcing tour schedule for bialteral series?

If BCCI would have done something like that they would have been accused for being bullying Around.

Posted by harrdstone on (September 5, 2013, 7:14 GMT)

This is all a show of mediocrity and inflated egos.This game is no longer a gentleman's game but run by the power of money. Two decades back no body would have even cared of apologizing because India did not have the financial muscle.The Indian administrators of the game are as snooty now as were the English administrators of yesteryear when their influence was supreme. I think BCCI shall stop acting like a nouveau riche and not ask for/accept apologies.Let cricket remain simple pl.

Posted by niazbhi on (September 5, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

"This is exactly like how the United States imposes sanctions on a certain nation on the grounds of being a super power". Obama is not a kid. He would never say "apologize or else". Criket isno longer a gentlemen's game. The most powerful man in cricket is not one. I m disgusted by this man.

Posted by DaredevilsUnlimited on (September 5, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

This is ridiculous to say the least the politician and business characteristics of bcci comes out so blatantly. It is high time genuine cricket boards the world over should join together and show bcci that cricket is only for cricket enthusiasts and not for one up manship. Most of of present Indian cricketers and past cricketers are very happy lot for the money doled out by the board is honey but at what cost and they are no different from most of the Indian politicians. All of them forget that they are there only because of Indian fans for the past 60 years.

Posted by gocool_here on (September 5, 2013, 6:58 GMT)

Sandip Manjrekar! My friend. It is because of fans like you who blindly follow their team/board, these people (BCCI) are ruining the game!. The important thing here is the game. Nobody's ego is bigger than that. If you have anything personally against anyone in the other board, you try to solve it personally, Why disturb the game?. This is some kind of business where you just look for profits or politics where you play with egos. This is the only game where we have a decent team & a decent chance. I was looking forward to the wonderful series & BCCI ruined it!!!. By they way, no one is talking about our maestro (SRT) in this forum. So why do you want to discuss about him?.

Posted by London_Meistry on (September 5, 2013, 6:53 GMT)

This is really bad for cricket, BCCI is using their muscles to settle their political disagreements in a wrong way. This tells me that the leadership have something personal with Haroon Lorgat and it also seems to me that they want everything in association with Lorgat to suffer! Its embarrassingly unprofessional I must say because at the end of the day cricket is the loser. Its really sad and I was looking forward to the Indian tour.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 5, 2013, 6:43 GMT)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 5, 2013, 1:38 GMT)

As you mentioned in your comments that you are not aware of all the facts then how can you be sure that BCCI is bullying around?

Secondly Few weeks wasn't it ECB who was asking for apology from Channel 9 for alleging their crickerters , nobody at that point of time allaged that ECB is bullying around.

It is highly regerated that some one without any facts is accusing just because it is BCCI. (Although i do agree that BCCI has not been correct on many occassion but it doesn't mean that BCCI is being bashed for each and every thing)

Also kindly read the article posted by Firdose Moonda (who is not a representative of BCCI) that CSA has not taken any action to bridge the GAP between two boards.

There is a difference between Saying & actually acting on it. (which Mr. Haroon Logart has not done.) Cricinfo Kindly publish.

Posted by Riderstorm on (September 5, 2013, 6:40 GMT)

I was so waiting for the SA tour. I wasn't expecting it to be brought down for a reason which is so not cricket. Boards aren't supposed to act with their individual opinions. They are supposed to act as representatives for cricket within their respective nations.

Their politics and disagreements weren't supposed to affect the cricket among the countries. National politics are totally different.

Posted by LittleFinger on (September 5, 2013, 6:38 GMT)

Does BCCI not realize or worse not care how uneasily they are wearing the crown of the leaders of world cricket? I am aghast and ashamed at the moral turpitude being displayed by my countrymen. Have they ever paused and asked the question what are we really trying to accomplish? Is it a worthy pursuit and are we doing a good job? Arrogance leads to destruction and that is what is in store for BCCI. Unfortunately, all of public life in India seems to suffer from this vacuousness. The country has lost its moral center. I am depressed!

Posted by shane-oh on (September 5, 2013, 6:35 GMT)

Wouldn't it be nice to see Lorgat refuse to apologise, and CSA send the message that this regime of bullying and intimidation is now getting embarrassing? Alas, I suspect they will instead bow down to the bullies. What a world we live in when the BCCI thinks it gets the casting vote over another country's chief executive. Utter madness.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 6:31 GMT)

BCCI showed every kind of transparency to the IND cricket fans & world cricket with the latest AGM. I am still guessing CSA's role with their current & future managements skills which are not seen anywhere. Still I heard about offer to apologise. You are yet to finalizing issues and still you are running through media. Fans here asking for what's going on here must have addressed the stupid CSA management handling show. Is this way bilateral issues are handled unilaterally? 63 days of Idle Indian domestic season was the matter of the subject and still fans want BCCI to apologise to the cricketing fraternity??? I won't wonder why Majola Scandal was suppressed for so many years. Stop here humiliating SRT for personal felicitation & feat as it is nothing to do with this. He is the greatest ambassador for the game of modern cricket who inspires every individuals to raise the game of cricket to next higher level.

Posted by highveldhillbilly on (September 5, 2013, 6:24 GMT)

I'm done with the BCCI. I'm getting more and angry with their bully tactics. I love test cricket and I'm really looking forward to this series but someone needs to take a stand here. Go Logart, don't apologize enough is enough!

Posted by Pot_Blou_Gevaar on (September 5, 2013, 6:24 GMT)

Absolute power corrupts absolutely…. And through all this, CAN THE REAL ICC PLEASE STAND UP? Tail wagging the dog much?

Posted by gocool_here on (September 5, 2013, 6:22 GMT)

Good to see that almost all our Indian fans are against this childish behaviour of BCCI!. We just support our team and that does not mean we will support BCCI also even when they are completely wrong!! - An Indian Fan

Posted by IndianEagle on (September 5, 2013, 6:07 GMT)

surely lorgat deserves this. as neutral spectator, i saw this as (apology) for forcing BCCI to accept the flawed current drs technology in the past. He bullied BCCI as a ICC head by rejecting concerns raised indian board about the accuracy, flaws of the technology (which many of them accepted after ashes series). His speedy action in coming days will ensure smooth progress of trimmed India tour to SA as planned.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 6:01 GMT)

Apologize!!!??!!! for what?. I don't understand why Lorgat is so hell bent on pleasing BCCI even though he has done nothing which warrants an Apology.. I can understand BCCI's statement as they think they are above everybody else and are power hungry bunch ..

Even if Lorgat did something which didn't well with BCCI, it was when he was the CEO of ICC and was acting on the position. If BCCI was irked by some of his actions (which i feel totally acceptable) then they should ask apology from ICC and not Lorgat.

Posted by SandipManjrekar on (September 5, 2013, 6:01 GMT)

India has huge market. Cricket being largest common interest of people here used as media through which businesses, investors can reach to the market. BCCI is the cricket governing body in IND. Players like Lala Amarnath to Kapil and SRT/Dhoni now made the game bigger here. The BCCI functionaries were successfully controlled cricketing governance here & defied the challenges like ICL. BCCI is responsible for their own wrong doing; not by any other like Majola, ZIM, BD or SL & many other's failures. Some fans are staking for revenues collecting from main source of IND and spreading all over the world through broadcasters with no contribution from individual boards other than participating. This is what colonial systems running for many centuries ruling over IND. IPL & CLPL are the BCCI's ideas & implementations where everyone staking for money even after failure of their own versions. Now everyone corners BCCI for this purpose only. Nothing to do with SRT's feat, WI tour or SA tour

Posted by TopTipper on (September 5, 2013, 5:59 GMT)

Cricket is extremely unfortunate to have leading administrators who carry out personal vendettas in an professional environment. Lorgat's role at the ICC was different than the one he is in now. Clearly BCCI does not see it that way and harbours strong opinions about Lorgat as a 'person' rather than Lorgat as a 'role'. Taking opinions and ideas personally in a business environment is nothing new to Indian working culture. However, this is not expected of a the richest and powerful Cricket board who is accountable to billion Cricket fans and responsible for crickets welfare not just in India but also globally. On seconds thoughts, maybe BCCI is not accountable to anyone anymore!

Posted by ODI_BestFormOfCricket on (September 5, 2013, 5:54 GMT)

CSA should blame themselves. They ruined good relationship by appointed LORGAT. They rejected BCCI concern citing 'best intreset'. Now it's BCCI's turn.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 5:53 GMT)

Disgusting to say the least.

Posted by mahi678 on (September 5, 2013, 5:49 GMT)

remember ur representing cricket board of a large country from himalayas to kanyakumari. ur words or actions could honor or disgrace to cricket world in India.

Posted by WGGracejnr on (September 5, 2013, 5:48 GMT)

What seems to be missing from the debate is the behaviour of the NZ Board in inviting India to tour in conflict with the schedule that CSA had, rightly or wrongly, published. The financial value to CSA of tours to and from NZ is trivial. BCCI can bulliy CSA, but CSA can bully NZ. You do not invite your neighbour's guest into your home when you know he has already accepted your neighbour's invitation. What goes around comes around. NZ should withdraw their opportunistic invitation to India.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 5:48 GMT)

Worst case, it is being said that there 2 test matches and 3 ODIs. Chuck the ODIs and play an additional test match instead. 3 test matches without ODIs / T20s looks a fair compromise. The ODIs and the T20 nonsense can be played some time down the line when BCCI's thinking cells in the brain are activated.

Posted by yuvi_gladiator on (September 5, 2013, 5:45 GMT)

so why did lorgot offer to apoligize unless he did something wrong??.. but i expected the SA board to stand tall against bcci when they appointed lorgot even though bcci had reservations for it. but if they kneel down on every instance, then im afraid SA board actually deserves this

Posted by DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on (September 5, 2013, 5:43 GMT)

good move by lorgat. Dont stop with this, act fastly., by sending apology letter or through detailed press conference. This would make BCCI cool, may be SA tour reasonable length.

Posted by Ramesh_Joseph on (September 5, 2013, 5:34 GMT)

The real question is not what Dalmiya said, my point is why did Lorgat offer to apologise in the first place? I dont think Dalmiya was demanding an apology, he was just accepting Lorgat's offer.

Posted by snbirdi on (September 5, 2013, 5:32 GMT)

As fans, by getting all worked up about all this, we're more or less going down the same path as the officials of these two boards. Who cares about all this? Whether BCCI stops being a bully or CSA apologizes or not, it really should not make any difference to us fans as long as CRICKET goes along, and since the tour is on, who gives a crap about all these grown men acting like children? It'll pass but all us fans will still get an amazing series out of it. So relax.

Posted by humi_cric on (September 5, 2013, 5:26 GMT)

What is going on????? Mr lorgart said"I am ready to apologize if I have hurt anyone" and these words are enough for apology, while person having such a key position (this is what I understand, don't expect he will to your office and kneel before you). What BCCI wants???? For me Mr. Lorgart already apologize for nothing.

Posted by muzika_tchaikovskogo on (September 5, 2013, 5:22 GMT)

Pathetic behaviour by the BCCI. It would be nice if N. Srinivasan and Jagmohan Dalmiya apologised to the cricketing fraternity, starting with Indian fans, for their disgusting behaviour. Will the BCCI please stop embarrassing us, the supporters of Indian cricket?

Posted by chin-music on (September 5, 2013, 5:18 GMT)

Apologise for what ?? For not being supplicant enough to the big bully of world cricket ? I really hope SA just call off the whole tour -- after all they may not be the richest board , but they do represent the best (#1) team.

Posted by Baundele on (September 5, 2013, 5:17 GMT)

It is really sad that Boards' politics is hurting cricket so badly. During the last few years South Africa did not get much international matches.

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (September 5, 2013, 4:34 GMT)

well, things seems like taking an interesting turns now. Do we really know what had gone wrong between Lorgat and BCCI? I am sure BCCI will not dare to ask for apology so openly until there is something which no one other than both parties have seen. And as @jmcilhinney put it and rightly so, Lorgat's role at ICC and CSA should be seen completely different. Will BCCI will become more transparent and let us know for what apology is being asked for? We Indian fans except a few do not in any way endorse your arm-twisting and bullying methods. With power comes responsibility if you guys have ever heard of that...

Posted by din7 on (September 5, 2013, 4:33 GMT)

What a rude behaviour from BCCI.....aplologies for what for doin his job. I dont thnk csa need to give any apologies to bcci. SA are no1 test side in the world with india nowhere close to them..lets face it they will never be! Just thru monetary power BCCI wants lorgat to apologise! Its us who need to play the no1 test side in world and not them to play mediocre test side! CSA shld be calm nd see what happens if bcci trims the seires let it be but csa shldnt apologise....

Posted by balajik1968 on (September 5, 2013, 4:28 GMT)

Ridiculous. The BCCI is going too far. Remember during the Mike Denness episode, CSA supported BCCI. CSA is one of the few associations with whom the BCCI has always had a good relationship. It is time the BCCI sheds its hubris. Maybe to start with, Srinivasan should lose the election due at the end of this month. Lillian Thomson, most cricket administrators in India are not royalty. Many of them are politicians and businessmen, who have reached where they have after a lot of struggle. Maybe they are overdoing their power(I find myself cringing with many of their actions), but to call them royalty or people who had a privileged start to life is not on.

Posted by JustIPL on (September 5, 2013, 4:22 GMT)

The main reason for changing plan is to give tendulkar 200 tests on home soil and perhaps he can still score a century. Lorgat was serving ICC so India should have same thoughts about ICC. On the other hand it will avoid playing stronger opposition with uncertainity about the young brigade playing longer formats of the game.

Posted by niazbhi on (September 5, 2013, 4:21 GMT)

Lorgat "I heard indian board did not approve my position. I am ready to apologize if I have hurt anyone." First of all why would you care if indian board is disapproving of him or not.

Dalmiya "Well we already out scheduled you by inviting WI and NZ. I still want you to apologize just so that you know who to bow to". Is it just me? Nothing about Dalmiya is mature or honorable. As a fan I want him to be gone from any powerful position. He is not mature enough to handle it. If he has specific complaints or issues about Lorgat and brought it up that would not be bad. But asking another board chief to apologize without any reason is just showing his inability to handle power.

Posted by kingkarthik on (September 5, 2013, 4:08 GMT)

OMG, this is not Boards at work. This is EGOS at work. Sad that the final casualty is cricket.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 4:04 GMT)

Apologies for what. Has he done any crime. Did he ever used any abusive languages towards BCCI or any of its members. The only thing, he protested against BCCI's autocratic antics which were used against ICC policing. He did everything right in his capacity and what was demanded as part of his job as ICC CEO. He put the welfare of cricket above anything else and didn't lay-down against hegemony on any board. In fact, he should be awarded for his tremendous job.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 4:03 GMT)

So Lorgat should apologise for insisting that India fall in line with DRS, which the rest of the cricket world believe they should anyway. When are the Indian officials going to grow up and stop acting like spoilt rich kids.

Posted by Cluedin on (September 5, 2013, 3:40 GMT)

Looks like an ego battle. If there was something procedurally wrong, I am sure there would have been many more ways to resolve the issues smoothly. The threats are unnecessary and only show the attitude of the persons making the threats. Power should be used judiciously.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 3:29 GMT)

What Lorgat had done to BCCI, for him to apologise? Nobody knows. Nobody telling. For me it seems they are just leveraging their financial-might on other boards.

Posted by crick_sucks on (September 5, 2013, 3:17 GMT)

Mr Dalmiya, would you want him to kneel before you and apologise or would a apology standing upright suffice?

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 5, 2013, 3:16 GMT)

Be nice if Dalmiya let us know what it is that Lorgat needs to apologise for? It can't be the schedule announcement, because Lorgat was not even part of CSA at the time. What could it be that it has taken him 6 weeks to respond?

Posted by canterbury1990 on (September 5, 2013, 2:13 GMT)

I just don't understand what there is to apologise for. Surely it is the CSA's business as to who it appoints at its CEO and has absolutely nothing to do with any other board - why should it? The BCCI cannot be allowed to bully everyone and anyone that opposes its views. This incident reeks of the way Mike Denness was treated simply for doing the right thing.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 5, 2013, 1:38 GMT)

I can't help thinking that the BCCI should accept that Lorgat's role with the ICC and his role with CSA are different and not hold a grudge against CSA because of what Lorgat may have done, possibly legitimately and possibly not, in his role with the ICC. The professional approach would be to assume a clean slate and judge Lorgat the CSA chief by his actions as CSA chief alone. The BCCI have been accused of bullying at times and, as a neutral observer who certainly isn't armed with all the facts, it appears to me that this is a bit of that.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2013, 1:15 GMT)

the nerve of some people.everyone is entitled to their opinion i dont think lorgat should apologise a clear example of how dominant the bcci is and how arrogant dalmiya is

Posted by bhushanB on (September 5, 2013, 1:03 GMT)

Soo childish....

Cricket is at loss here. Fans are taken for granted. Most awaited series,its a pity that it suffers at the whims of a few.

Posted by IndiaGoats on (September 5, 2013, 0:53 GMT)

Poor show by Dalmiya and BCCI. Very childish.

Posted by LillianThomson on (September 5, 2013, 0:31 GMT)

Lorgat did his job at the ICC: the CEO is always going to lock heads with important stakeholders.

In football, FIFA has England utterly opposed to the Qatar World Cup moving to winter, which creates conflict. In motor racing, Formula One Management is in endless conflict - but it improves the product and drives revenue ever higher.

The problem Lorgat had is that most Indian administrators have been treated with deference since they were kids for social reasons we all know, and they expect obedience and "respect". I have heard no stories of Lorgat doing anything other than what the ICC CEO should do.

But this is not unusual. Bullies often cannot handle scrutiny or being challenged.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 23:53 GMT)

If Dalmiya said that in public it is extremely rude. There is no room for such behavior at this high level of the organizations. The two organizations should get together and work it out in the best interest of the sport and fans.

Posted by Masking_Tape on (September 4, 2013, 23:10 GMT)

I still don't get why it's BCCI's concern who other countries appoint as their president, manager, or whatever. It's ridiculous that they even have an issue in the first place, now they want an apology. For what? There are lot of things BCCI does that makes people angry, but doesn't really bother me. I could care less. But this is just beyond stupid.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 22:38 GMT)

This reads like a man is prepared to push aside his pride to placate a bunch of egotistical little boys that are having a tantrum because they haven't got their way.

Whatever this boils down to, one person is showing humility and grace by making a concession in the face of arrogance and childishness.

It's admirable from Mr Lorgat, and utterly pathetic from Dalmiya and co.

For what exactly are you looking for an apology from Mr Lorgat?

Posted by Sameer-hbk on (September 4, 2013, 22:34 GMT)

Even as an Indian, I am on the CSA side on this one. Apologize for what exactly? And why? Because some one had a different view on DRS or FTP? What do you expect the guy to say? "I am sorry... Well, because... BCCI wants me to say so". Just ridiculous! Old men want their ego stroked.And they are putting an intriguing test series on line for it.

Posted by avmd on (September 4, 2013, 22:32 GMT)

If logart apologised, he will cause embarrassment to South Africa and should stand down from any post, but I'm sure he won't.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 21:16 GMT)

This is getting a little out of hand now. People are demanding apologies, whereas it is unclear to most people in cricketing world as to why CSA chief should apologize. If he and BCCI had their differences, it doesn't mean he should say sorry now. BCCI should have asked for an apology when he was still the ICC chief. Now as CSA chief, he is playing a different role and even if he apologizes to save his board, the apology would lose it's meaning.

Posted by mzm149 on (September 4, 2013, 21:00 GMT)

It's in news that if South African tour is cancelled there are chances of Pakistan or Sri Lanka visiting India during this timeframe. There is possibility of tri series among these three nations.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 20:49 GMT)

BBCI is a bully .................

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 20:09 GMT)

Wow this is arm twisting of the highest order! I really wonder what kind of super egos BCCI bosses have! And how has Lorgat offended them? By standing up for his convictions? If so, then this BCCI behaviour is another example of the injustices prevalent in this world!

Posted by asiacricket1234 on (September 4, 2013, 20:06 GMT)

I really dont understand what did Lorgat do that he has to apologies? BCCI acting like Gangstar but this is cricket not some fight ground for gangs. I know some people will call me Anti-Indian but I ensure u im not any anti-Indian. I was waiting for the series between SA vs India as it was between two top team and with India ='s present line-up it'd have been a exciting series but BCCI ruined it. Disgraceful behavior :@

Posted by ZedInLosAngles on (September 4, 2013, 19:52 GMT)

Lorgat does not need to apologize. Its BCCI way saying they are the boss. I am an Indian, but don't like the way BCCI operates. If at all BCCI should apologize for their many misdeeds and high handedness. BCCI has no right to interfere in CSA's operation.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 18:54 GMT)

come on man.. let's this SA tour Start... Let us see where these Indian Cricketers are Standing... If they do good.. Congrats,,,, but i don't think so......

Posted by xylo on (September 4, 2013, 18:49 GMT)

Whatever happens behind the scenes, if the duration of the tour is going to be cut short, maybe having 3 ODIs and one T20 would be a better option than culling the number of tests. If there is one format that the SAFfas are good at currently, it is tests, and India would do well to give themselves a reality check before going to England.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (September 4, 2013, 18:48 GMT)

This is exactly like how the United States imposes sanctions on a certain nation on the grounds of being a super power. If Lorgat wants the welfare of CSA, he should apologize. If he doesn't, CSA will lose out. The BCCI won't be affected in any way; in fact, they will arrange a series with someone else in that time. They might even extend the WI series to make it a 4 test match series.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 18:44 GMT)

apologize for what??? U gotta be kidding me BCCI ...

Posted by   on (September 4, 2013, 18:37 GMT)

What the hell!! BCCI is now bullying cricket boards publically. Cricket is going to be dead pretty soon.

Posted by mihir_nam on (September 4, 2013, 18:33 GMT)

Sick sick..BAN BCCI for insulting India as presenting whole Nation...

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