India news September 17, 2013

Decision on SA tour deferred till month end

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Uncertainty remains over India's tour to South Africa this summer after CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat and BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel met in Dubai. The pair held talks on Monday evening, while both were attending the ICC Chief Executives' Conference, but did not reach any understanding on the number of matches or the dates for India's tour. CSA said confirmation will only be reached after the BCCI's AGM on September 29.

Although CSA would be hopeful the BCCI arrives at a final decision by end of this month, the likelihood of a longer wait cannot be ruled out. ESPNcricinfo has learned that N Srinivasan, if he succeeds in extending his tenure as BCCI president for another year, will meet the CSA president Chris Nenzani at the ICC board meeting in London on October 16 and 17 to finalise the tour.

The itinerary, as announced by CSA in July, contained three Tests, seven ODIs and two Twenty20s but India objected to it, saying it was without their consultation. They have since shortened the window for the tour, which was due to begin on November 18 and end on January 19 from 60 days to around 40 by a scheduling a home series against West Indies and bringing forward their tour to New Zealand.

The time left may allow for the ICC minimum requirement of two Tests and three ODIs but the Dubai meeting gave no hint of that. Lorgat remains hopeful a solution will be found.

"I am happy to say that we had a constructive meeting and I would like to thank Sanjay for his friendliness and support in trying to find a way forward," Lorgat said. "After listening to Sanjay, it is clear that we will now have to wait for the BCCI's AGM to be completed before any tour schedule can be confirmed."

The BCCI's annual meeting could prove decisive in the finalisation of the tour dates, because it will determine the shape of the organisation's leadership. It is widely expected Srinivasan will be re-elected.

Srinivasan and Lorgat have a history of bitterness: Srinivasan requested an investigation into Lorgat by the ICC ethics committee, and they clashed over India's request for a tax documents during the 2011 World Cup.

No communication between the two boards was held between then and the Dubai meeting. What has come out of the BCCI is other fixtures - home Tests against West Indies to mark Sachin Tendulkar's 200th Test and an ODI against New Zealand that is due to played on the last day of the Wanderers Test between India and South Africa. There is also talk of a tri-series between India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan due for late November.

CSA have not commented either and as far as their affiliates are concerned, the schedule as announced, still stands. Even their ticket-selling partner, Ticketpros, has the fixtures listed as CSA publicised them although they can only be purchased from October 28.

The relationship between CSA and the BCCI is considered to be at at all-time low but Lorgat's statement seemed to suggest all is well. "It is key for all of us to make sure that the good relationship between our respective Boards is maintained and, in fact, strengthened and that we also honour the proud history between our two countries," he said. "Our Board Presidents are also in discussion and we will now arrange for them to meet soon after the BCCI AGM."

With inputs from Nagraj Gollapudi

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • IndianSRTfan on September 18, 2013, 0:22 GMT

    Whatever maybe the differences between BCCI and Lorgat, or between Srinivasan and Lorgat, minimum 3 tests between India and SA are a must. The tour is reduced to around 40 days but if better sense prevails we can still get a decent series here. All it needs is careful scheduling.

    India can still play 3 test matches and 3 ODIs while scrapping the T20s. 3 tests mean 15 days of cricket. Assuming 7 days of rest (3 days between 1st and 2nd, 4 days between 2nd and 3rd test), we have 22 days for test series. Add to it, a 4-day practice match ending 4 days before tests and we have 30 days.

    3 ODIs can be played with 2 days between each ODI with around 4 days separating it from the start of the test series (including the 4-day practice match). That gives us around 11 days. So in all the series can get over in total of 41 days.

  • IndianSRTfan on September 20, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (September 20, 2013, 11:47 GMT): Very thoughtful input as usual. However this "so much worse team" has drawn two series both home and away with the same team that gave a sound thrashing to your team at your home. Just saying. So plz excuse us if we don't take you seriously.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on September 20, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    Now that India are such a worse team than the top two teams (South Africa and England), they are now too scared of getting thrashed in another test series. You wouldn't see the top teams in the world acting like this.

  • Dbag on September 20, 2013, 11:28 GMT

    Scheduling tours should be the preserve of the ICC. Anything less leaves the whole Test Ranking System at the mercy of the more powerful board interests if they are able to weasel around difficult fixtures. Playing puerile politics with the game hardly glorifies the sport or maintains credibility of the system either.

    India's thinking is pretty transparent as they clearly recognise they have neither the talent nor stomach to face a full tour against the world number one. Pathetically churlish vendetta's should not be the allowed to smokescreen the real issue at hand here: cowardice.

    Power need to be wrested from the BCCI who do little more than degrade the game with self interest and facile trinketry.

    Leadership, Integrity and Strength please ICC. Protect our, and your, game.

  • LionsofLanka on September 20, 2013, 3:31 GMT

    @Greatest_Game

    You have poor knowledge about great cricket lover country Sri Lanka. You say Sri Lanka played highest numbers in ODIs against India. Figure is 143 (not 149) out of which we won 53 but you didn't mention & highlighted on our 78 losses. Sri Lanka is youngest country in the world to win world cup; made Debut in cricket ODI at 1975; Won the world cup in 1996; great achievement in 21 years only. South Africa made debut in 1889 but still in waiting. God knows when will be good day for them in spite of RANK no.1. Sri Lanka made Test debut in 1982, won 1st Test in 3 years in 1985. Sri Lanka v/s South Africa ODI- SL Lead by 28-26 TEST- SA lead by 10-5. You are bashing ZIM, SL & BD for not being Test NO.1. Your perspective towards these nations displayed in distinct. Thanks to India, they respect us & play with us. Coz your nation avoids us, ZIM & BD. It requires frequent playing with top teams to be no.1 in TESTS. Sadly SA, AUS, ENG have different vision.

  • on September 20, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    India should go ahead for this tour, the mindset between 2 boards should be closer as it was in their earliar days. We r eagery waiting for this series . If the tour is shortained ,there must be at least 3 tests , & it will be joyous if Tendulkar plays the series .

  • Greatest_Game on September 19, 2013, 15:32 GMT

    @ LionsofLanka Dale Steyn just came back from a long injury layoff. Conceding a few runs in Mohali to a Lankan club team means nothing compared to five years unchallenged as the highest ranked test bowler. Steyn will regain his form, & what better way to get back into cricket than in some does not matter T20 against some unknown club team. Besides, the Lankans lost anyway.

    Only five nations, and not "every nation," have won the world cup. You seem to lack clear understanding of WC history.

    Sri Lanka cancelled the test series, not South Africa. SA was ready and willing to play, SL was not. SL backed out & ran away. SA knows exactly the reality of where it's test team stands - at Number One, a position no Sri Lankan team has EVER held! (SL is presently in 7th place, 47 points behind SA.) Only 3 teams have NEVER reached the no. 1 test ranking: Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and Sri Lanka. SL in good company there!

    Sri Lanka does hold one record: most ODI games (149) & losses (78) vs India!

  • Spiritofcricket99 on September 19, 2013, 12:15 GMT

    The ICC should be planning tour itineraries, as this would make the whole process much more objective and legitimate. The more I read, the more the BCCI position appears to be linked to retaining Indias test ranking re: Test Championship, or having a home test match for Tendulkar's 200th - vs easier opposition. If either of these 'theories' is correct it amounts of corruption imho.

  • Lorrie01 on September 19, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    Very simple math on India's behalf really. Let's not play SA in SA where we are most likely to lose, Rather play a weaker NZ where we will gain more test ranking points.

  • Pearsfan on September 18, 2013, 19:48 GMT

    Pretty disgraceful stuff this.

    While the best team in the world sit idle, mediocre England and Australia sides play out a never ending ashes series and the BCCI bring in WI to take a fall in a money spinning home series. When decisions about fixture scheduling are made on the basis of short sighted personality politics and purely financial considerations the sport suffers.

    India has the market but the rest of the cricket world supplies the product. Cricket needs marquee meaningful series like Ind v SA.

  • IndianSRTfan on September 18, 2013, 0:22 GMT

    Whatever maybe the differences between BCCI and Lorgat, or between Srinivasan and Lorgat, minimum 3 tests between India and SA are a must. The tour is reduced to around 40 days but if better sense prevails we can still get a decent series here. All it needs is careful scheduling.

    India can still play 3 test matches and 3 ODIs while scrapping the T20s. 3 tests mean 15 days of cricket. Assuming 7 days of rest (3 days between 1st and 2nd, 4 days between 2nd and 3rd test), we have 22 days for test series. Add to it, a 4-day practice match ending 4 days before tests and we have 30 days.

    3 ODIs can be played with 2 days between each ODI with around 4 days separating it from the start of the test series (including the 4-day practice match). That gives us around 11 days. So in all the series can get over in total of 41 days.

  • IndianSRTfan on September 20, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (September 20, 2013, 11:47 GMT): Very thoughtful input as usual. However this "so much worse team" has drawn two series both home and away with the same team that gave a sound thrashing to your team at your home. Just saying. So plz excuse us if we don't take you seriously.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on September 20, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    Now that India are such a worse team than the top two teams (South Africa and England), they are now too scared of getting thrashed in another test series. You wouldn't see the top teams in the world acting like this.

  • Dbag on September 20, 2013, 11:28 GMT

    Scheduling tours should be the preserve of the ICC. Anything less leaves the whole Test Ranking System at the mercy of the more powerful board interests if they are able to weasel around difficult fixtures. Playing puerile politics with the game hardly glorifies the sport or maintains credibility of the system either.

    India's thinking is pretty transparent as they clearly recognise they have neither the talent nor stomach to face a full tour against the world number one. Pathetically churlish vendetta's should not be the allowed to smokescreen the real issue at hand here: cowardice.

    Power need to be wrested from the BCCI who do little more than degrade the game with self interest and facile trinketry.

    Leadership, Integrity and Strength please ICC. Protect our, and your, game.

  • LionsofLanka on September 20, 2013, 3:31 GMT

    @Greatest_Game

    You have poor knowledge about great cricket lover country Sri Lanka. You say Sri Lanka played highest numbers in ODIs against India. Figure is 143 (not 149) out of which we won 53 but you didn't mention & highlighted on our 78 losses. Sri Lanka is youngest country in the world to win world cup; made Debut in cricket ODI at 1975; Won the world cup in 1996; great achievement in 21 years only. South Africa made debut in 1889 but still in waiting. God knows when will be good day for them in spite of RANK no.1. Sri Lanka made Test debut in 1982, won 1st Test in 3 years in 1985. Sri Lanka v/s South Africa ODI- SL Lead by 28-26 TEST- SA lead by 10-5. You are bashing ZIM, SL & BD for not being Test NO.1. Your perspective towards these nations displayed in distinct. Thanks to India, they respect us & play with us. Coz your nation avoids us, ZIM & BD. It requires frequent playing with top teams to be no.1 in TESTS. Sadly SA, AUS, ENG have different vision.

  • on September 20, 2013, 1:16 GMT

    India should go ahead for this tour, the mindset between 2 boards should be closer as it was in their earliar days. We r eagery waiting for this series . If the tour is shortained ,there must be at least 3 tests , & it will be joyous if Tendulkar plays the series .

  • Greatest_Game on September 19, 2013, 15:32 GMT

    @ LionsofLanka Dale Steyn just came back from a long injury layoff. Conceding a few runs in Mohali to a Lankan club team means nothing compared to five years unchallenged as the highest ranked test bowler. Steyn will regain his form, & what better way to get back into cricket than in some does not matter T20 against some unknown club team. Besides, the Lankans lost anyway.

    Only five nations, and not "every nation," have won the world cup. You seem to lack clear understanding of WC history.

    Sri Lanka cancelled the test series, not South Africa. SA was ready and willing to play, SL was not. SL backed out & ran away. SA knows exactly the reality of where it's test team stands - at Number One, a position no Sri Lankan team has EVER held! (SL is presently in 7th place, 47 points behind SA.) Only 3 teams have NEVER reached the no. 1 test ranking: Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and Sri Lanka. SL in good company there!

    Sri Lanka does hold one record: most ODI games (149) & losses (78) vs India!

  • Spiritofcricket99 on September 19, 2013, 12:15 GMT

    The ICC should be planning tour itineraries, as this would make the whole process much more objective and legitimate. The more I read, the more the BCCI position appears to be linked to retaining Indias test ranking re: Test Championship, or having a home test match for Tendulkar's 200th - vs easier opposition. If either of these 'theories' is correct it amounts of corruption imho.

  • Lorrie01 on September 19, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    Very simple math on India's behalf really. Let's not play SA in SA where we are most likely to lose, Rather play a weaker NZ where we will gain more test ranking points.

  • Pearsfan on September 18, 2013, 19:48 GMT

    Pretty disgraceful stuff this.

    While the best team in the world sit idle, mediocre England and Australia sides play out a never ending ashes series and the BCCI bring in WI to take a fall in a money spinning home series. When decisions about fixture scheduling are made on the basis of short sighted personality politics and purely financial considerations the sport suffers.

    India has the market but the rest of the cricket world supplies the product. Cricket needs marquee meaningful series like Ind v SA.

  • SandipManjrekar on September 18, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    Bashers & critics couldn't explain the motive behind BCCI's objection in regard of appointment of Lorgat. How will BCCI get benefited from CSA's internal governing body? They couldn't explicit more about BULLYING. These are mere accusations. They don't stop here but indulged Tendulkar & Team IND with worst personal attacks. What we see here are hurtled egos of FANS supporting to one country because of RANK NO. 1. There is nothing egos, power for BCCI or Team IND. BCCI states all over the world that you can't dictate terms just because of being top Team as happening earlier over the decades. The people with most conservative mind should know money is having equal importance in cricketer's life and should not object them or any institution that provide them financial assurance. Every other sportsman gets it then why not cricketers unless unfair activity involves. 3 good formats of cricket are there (not invented by BCCI) and everybody should enjoy rather than critics and unfair bashing.

  • dogcatcher on September 18, 2013, 14:54 GMT

    I for one would hate to be a Indian cricket tourist. Imagine having planned your trip for months and having made the flight bookings.....

    I suspect the BCCI doesn't care about this or for that matter the local indian fans of which there are many or for that matter SA fans eager to see a quality side like India. Nor for that matter the sponsors or groundsmen and staff etc that have been earmarked a long time in advance.

    Less than 2 months left until the initial tour plan was meant to begin.

  • 2nd_Slip on September 18, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    2 years ago after the Cape Town test between SA and Ind, Sachin Tendulkar described his century against the mighty Steyn and Morkel as the best of his career. This is something not to be taken lightly(Sachin has been around for a long time facing great bowlers in the mould of McGrath,Warne,Pollock,Donald,Wasim,Muthai et al) so for him to classify that century as his best ever century speaks volumes about SAs attack .He deserves a better send off than what the BCCI are arranging for him, he deserves to play his 200th match against the best team in the world SA. I'm sure he certainly would have loved to have one last go the best bowling attack in the world at the moment, sad that arrogant and money hungry individuals have got in the way of what would have been the most spectacular series of this year has got to offer.

  • Nampally on September 18, 2013, 13:04 GMT

    When there is a clash of personalities between the heads of 2 Boards + a long standing bitterness, the current situation will arise. The easiest solution for each Nation is to debar such Executives from holding the Presidential post of BCCI or CSA. Neither Mr. Lorgat nor Mr. Srinivasan has a right to place their personal differences above those of the Boards they have been honoured with. Clearly they are unworthy of such a position where Diplomacy & courtesy is the primary requirement. It is impossible to mend the fences with the same Presidents. The first step in correcting this sorry tale of horror is to replace both of them. India was proposed a certain tour itinerary by SA, the host Nation, just like England did. If that schedule was not acceptable, they discuss & come to a mutually accepted itinerary. Did BCCI respond to CSA directly & discuss the matter? On the other hand the itinerary proposed by England was accepted with no changes as was NZ itinerary.It is clear who erred here

  • CricketChat on September 18, 2013, 12:39 GMT

    This is really scandalous! Personal animosities should not be allowed to affect bilateral tours. Best time for other nations to take a stance against BCCI and bring them down to level playing field. Start with disallowing players to participate in IPL.

  • Andre117 on September 18, 2013, 12:18 GMT

    I'll be happy with 3 ODIs, 2 T20s and 3 tests. You cannot have less than 3 tests between 2 of the best teams in the world. I'm pretty sure they (CSA) want the large number of ODIs and T20s because those are the ones which attract the big crowds and big bucks. It's sad really.

  • on September 18, 2013, 11:41 GMT

    I guess a full tour of South Africa can still be worked out which would be acceptable to both the BCCI and CSA and above all the game of Cricket. This provided the BCCI agrees not to have a ODI series against the West Indies. The two Tests against the West Indies are feasible after the one-day series Australia and before the tour of South Africa. The final ODI against Australia is scheduled for 2nd November. The First Test could be played from 7th to 11th November, 2013 and the Second from 14th to 19th November 2013. I guess we could do away with meaningless ODI's which have no context.

    Here is a poddible itenary for the SA tour comprising 3 Tests and 5 ODI's: 1st ODI: 26th November, 2013 2nd ODI: 29th November, 2013 3rd ODI: 2nd December, 2013 4th ODI: 5th December, 2013 5th ODI: 7th December, 2013.

    A four day warm up game from 11th to 14th December, 2013.

    1st Test: 18th - 22nd December, 2013 2nd Test: 26th - 30th December, 2013 3rd Test: 3rd - 7th January, 2014.

  • popcorn on September 18, 2013, 11:21 GMT

    We,Australia,don't really want to go to India before The Ashes. So we are offering BCCI the October 13 to November 2 time slot to adjust their schedules,accomodate the West Indies Tour to India and tour South Africa in December,and early January.

  • Gilliana on September 18, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    This is a personal tiff between Lorgat and the BCCI and not with CSA. Lorgat had tested the BCCI on many an occasion when he was officiating in the ICC. Lorgat at that time was accused of being pro Pakistan

  • on September 18, 2013, 10:25 GMT

    Those who are advocating or shaming BCCI for less than 3 or 4 Tests should see what CSA did in the past. IND travelled for 3 Tests constantly whereas CSA toured for 2 TESTS on last 2 occasions. Another point is that most Proteas fans feel humiliated here by the offer of BCCI for 2 Tests. They do feel so because of their supremacy feeling as rank no. 1. Other teams like AUS & ENG are doing same over the years with every country other than these TOP 3 TEAMS. The reason is same as usual. BCCI's offer is reciprocal gesture of what CSA did in last 2 tours in IND. Another point is CSA taking advantage after IND's recent performance in CT 2013. Notable point is that the schedule was not announced before CT 2013.

  • Nutcutlet on September 18, 2013, 10:11 GMT

    This is a wonderful opportunity for both boards to move forward, demonstrating to the sporting world that cricket is more important than either board or any ego. And before anyone says - what about the money generated? Surely that's the most important matter to both boards? To them I say this: if the product is good & engages a wide audience, then the profit will take care of itself. Quality always sells & this Test series, if played as per original FTP (three Tests) promises that in spades.

  • on September 18, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    It is obvious to me that South Africa is to blame. Without agreeing with India they made all the arrangements.

  • on September 18, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    Why is it that a single ODI in NZ is spoiling the 3rd test schedule and thereby the entire series?

  • on September 18, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    CSA should stop begging in front of BCCI, who are shamelessly delaying the decision to 16th Oct at the earliest. CSA stand to loose 15 Mn Rands if the tour is called off, hence it is begging, but it stands to loose its pride and set a wrong precidence where BCCI will be able to bully CSA in the future as well. Next best option would be to play a Zim series for much less money but for a pride intact and a stand which can be than followed by other boards to stand up to the big bully with all the Money.

  • Paddy789 on September 18, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    Being an Indian i would demand for 3 Tests which is bare minimum, BCCI are you afraid of whitewash ??? or you dont trust your players and opting soft targets ????

  • on September 18, 2013, 9:13 GMT

    I beleive the real reason for cutting the series short is because india dors not want to lose alot of yests in this series and drop ranking points. Because the test championship in 2017 will be contested between the top four teams and india have an away tour to england so could drop out of the top 4.

  • BHARATLIFE on September 18, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    This is sad. After the rampage in England and Australia, Indian fans might have been anxious, how this new team handled the pressure. This decision not to tour SA, will be insult to the cricketing intellect of the Indian Fan, like some one was saying, an toddler will know Steyn and Co in SA is a must see battle than Fidel and Co(With due respect) . The series is a foregone conclusion. What is this make up series of India SL Pak.We played SL like a million times over the past 6 years or so. If BCCI are concerned about schedule/player fatigue may be they can only play a test series spread across 20 days, and squeeze in a couple of 3/4 day games, so that India is acclimatized and play the cricket that actually matters. It looks clash of ego's more than anything else. Any case administration is easy from outside , but hope of all hope we atleast have test series.!!!!

  • NishuB on September 18, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    Why does there have to be so much controversy on every series involving India? @BCCI - PLEASE !! Either be more transparent and explain the situation to us or get on with it and fulfil your commitments.. I for one have been looking forward to this series big time. 3 tests should be the bare minimum for any ICC approved series..if you play only 2 tests, your records should not count.

  • venkatesh018 on September 18, 2013, 8:58 GMT

    Now I am beginning to fear the worst. No visit or a One Test & 3 Odi series.

  • on September 18, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    india in SA mouth watering? not quiet, jaw dropping may be, thats only bcz styen hitting them all over

  • on September 18, 2013, 8:47 GMT

    Expected some positive announcement, at least for the 40 days window.(Was hoping an announcement for at least 3 Tests; anything more would have been a bonus). Patel, it seems, might have been asked to filibuster, till Srini is re-elected.

    Still Lorgat says:

    "...I am happy to say that we had a constructive meeting and I would like to thank Sanjay for his friendliness and support in trying to find a way forward..."

    Both Srini & Lorgat seem to be in the wrong profession. One should have been in Politics; and the other, in Diplomacy!

  • anshu.s on September 18, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    @Bob Sacamano, India has done quite well in SA on last two tours, drawing 1-1 last time , so why should we be afraid of playing you , on other hand we lost to England 4-0 away and even lost 2-1 at home , but we are still touring them for a full 5 match test series next summer , so what you say makes no sense ...

  • MartinC on September 18, 2013, 8:36 GMT

    If the reason for this is that BCCI want Tendulkar to play his 200th Test in India - which is fair enough - just leave him out of the touring party to SA. I don't think that is the reason personally, it seems more like a clash of egos and bloodymindedness as a result.

    Scheduling of series should be an ICC matter not for individual boards IMO.

  • PeterJerome on September 18, 2013, 8:31 GMT

    The world of cricket talks about BCCI being a bully now-a-days, but continue to live in awe of the BCCI. This stand purely demonstrates their commercial greed as well. They dont want to loose the commercial inflow they would earn from India participation as well. But I think its high time the rest of the cricket world unites on this and isolate the BCCI by backing off the FTP. Cricket should always be on top. We the fans challenge the guts of the ROW cricket boards here. A cricket fan.

  • ReverseSweepIndia on September 18, 2013, 7:56 GMT

    lets hope for the best, if Srini loses the election and Pawar camp won it, then they have better relation with Lorgat. Ironical that we fans to see this day where who heads the institution decide who plays whom and how many times.

  • on September 18, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    Seems like BCCI is reluctant finalize the tour since a loss at the hands of SA would end up with India losing the 4th spot on ICC ranking. That would also mean India wont be able to qualify for ICC test Championship. It all makes perfect sense.

  • ramli on September 18, 2013, 7:34 GMT

    CSA has to just accept what is offered ... that is the only way forward now ... in a bilateral series, there should be mutual agreement on anything ... why keep harping on a long schedule if that is unacceptable to the opposite party ... it will not serve any purpose for anybody ... CSA must decide now ... take it or leave it

  • Thinker77 on September 18, 2013, 6:50 GMT

    It's hard to not suspect that this is grandstanding to avoid SA's bowling attack pouring water on the spectacle (well earned) of Tendulkar's 200th test. ST's average over his past 12 tests is 22.5 - and his career average vs SA is 42.4 (against WI it's 55.2). SA's current squad has two of the top strike bowlers since WWI (Philander ave 17.1, Steyn ave 22.6), while WI has no one averaging <25. SA are ranked #1, WI are ranked #5. If ST is considering making this a home swansong to an incredible career, then there's little that SA can do about it. It's a pity this tension has arisen, because this series will be between arguably the two best sides in test cricket.

  • linguboy on September 18, 2013, 5:32 GMT

    @Zoe Sheik: There's no cricket in Pakistan because your's "safe and corruption free" country couldn't provide "security' to the players itself let alone spectators. No country will risk their players life so that one country can play cricket in their home. please improve the security in your country first and then dream of hosting other countries. Second: Yes we all want Pakistan cricketers in the IPL but its just more than two boards its about the two governments. It depends on the situation that exists between the nation. So sorry for your players not participating. Third: To say India is the reason for every bad thing in cricket is absolutely pathetic.

  • Sir_Ivor on September 18, 2013, 5:00 GMT

    It is most unfortunate that the BCCI or more particularly Srinivasan seems hell bent on letting his ego have the better of the wishes of a majority of Indians in this CSA matter and the tour of South Africa by India later this year. The fact that should not be lost sight of by the Gideons of this world is that South Africa is currently No 1 in the ICC rankings and India is at No 3. That makes the prospect of these two teams meeting in South Africa over three Tests pretty mouth watering.It may not have the traditional flavour of an Ashes series even if the urn is now little more than of symbolic relevance.Australia's stock has plummeted as we have seen both in India and England recently.The last time India played South Africa in 2010/11 though India lost the first Test badly courtesy a last minute arrival they ended the series 1-1 and being on the verge of winning the 3rd Test but for rains.For keen followers of the game therefore a series between India and SA is the real battle royal.

  • Subu on September 18, 2013, 4:48 GMT

    Unfortunately, Cricket is the loser and the game has long last it's importance to the Business interests. If the whole cricketing world believes that BCCI is arm twisting all countries using it's Financial power, they should be prepared to lose the short term financial gain and look at ways of divesting their power. For all the outbursts for/against BCCI, at this moment, all the cricket boards are equally culpable for this mess and the slow death of the game called Cricket.

  • on September 18, 2013, 4:16 GMT

    to make it short, personnel revelry between boards will short changed the fans!. also no doubt Indian board is using its financial muscles quite frequently which in turn might turn off the fans. Pakistan has not played in there own soil for few years and IPL refusal to allow Pakistani players is like by any means is to undermine Pakistan and now its south Africa so whose next?

  • on September 18, 2013, 3:43 GMT

    well dont know why everyone is after 3 match series...let it be 2 match series and it will be pretty clear by the end of 2 matches whether indian batsmen are good enough for green pitches on not..

  • on September 18, 2013, 3:20 GMT

    Sri Lanka South Africa Test series in Sri Lanka should be the only option left during that period. Hopefully, the Sri Lankan's, Pakistan tour (UAE) could get postponed by a few weeks.

  • Cluedin on September 18, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    It would be great if the BCCI realizes that their interests are better served by not having politicians who pay lip service to hold key positions. For someone who claims not to watch the sport of the body he is a President of and more deflects the criticism that he is shirking his responsibility by stating that he has bigger crises on hand which need to be addressed, should not be given the responsibility.

  • cnksnk on September 18, 2013, 2:46 GMT

    I know a lot of readers on this forum believe that the BCCI is responsible for all ills that dominate the cricket world. I suppose even if Martians land on Earth some readers will find BCCI as the reason. One just has to see the comments relating to Perth not being given a test match next year because the stadium in not great and revenues are not great either. However readers found BCCI's sinister motives. IN fact BCCI folks must be secretly yearning for such powers. Having said this the current status is pathetic. A tour schedules for Dec is still not finalised and we are to wait for the AGM to conclude. Seriously BCCI can and must do better. On another plain we must have be very naive to expect any decision in the recently concluded meeting. Sanjay Patel is just a nameless / faceless administrator who is occupying the chair due to the resignation of Sanjay Jagdale. Is he capable of taking any decisions or does he have any delegated powers. Just a waste of time .

  • acnc on September 18, 2013, 2:40 GMT

    @Ali Murtaza - at least the Indians could handle the Zimbabweans...

  • wellrounded87 on September 18, 2013, 2:10 GMT

    I don't see why India can't just sit Sachin out for one of the tests. I mean lets face it Sachin is a shell of his former self and the runs aren't coming, certainly not in a hostile environment like SA against the likes of Steyn and Philander.

    I see no reason why Inda can't "rest" him for 1 match so his 200th will be in India.

  • IndianEagle on September 18, 2013, 2:02 GMT

    india should play to their strength by including all seven odi's and 3t20. There is no time for test matches and not liked by majority of fans.

  • hayagriva on September 18, 2013, 1:24 GMT

    BCCI in trying to take revenge on Logart...is actually hurting the two cricket teams of India and South Africa, and most importantly all the fans of this wonderful game. Perhaps a reminder that this is a gentleman's game could be passed around as a memo to all those making the decisions

  • Farce-Follower on September 18, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    BCCI : Every Indian fans delight. Who does not want to see India playing SL in an ODI for the 85th time in one year. One more opportunity to see MSD finish the game with a 6 off a Malinga or a Perera or a Mendis. Everyone is happy I guess. As for Tests, BCCI will keep arranging them solely for records. A visit by Bangaldesh for Dhoni's 100th Test, by Zimbabwe for Kohli's 50th Test and so on.

  • Happy_hamster on September 18, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    Roshan_P on (September 17, 2013, 17:29 GMT) Well said, it is refreshing to see so many Indian fans upset by the prospect of potentially losing test matches, I had been convinced by the trollers no one cared about tests any more in India.

  • johnnybox on September 18, 2013, 1:13 GMT

    Each country has its own agenda and it is time perhaps that the ICC took control of scheduling series and matches within a series to avoid situations like this recurring.

  • IndianSRTfan on September 18, 2013, 0:58 GMT

    Contd..ODI series in SA to be played before the test series, at the same time the ODIs with WI can be played after the 2-test series in India. In ODIs against WI, India can give a chance to players from India A, U-23 team or seniors like Sehwag, Gambhir and Yuvraj, giving both test and ODI 1st XIs, a chance to go to SA early. India has a large enough pool of talented players that we can afford this(recently we had two different A teams playing in SA and India almost back to back, not counting dropped seniors and the U-23 team). This will ensure that the SA series won't be brutally short.

    Most Indian fans like me have immense respect for the SA players. Even in IPL, players like Steyn, De Villiers, Kallis are massive crowd pullers. They are deserving test champions. A tough contest between the No. 1 test team and a team full of promising youngsters looking to shed the tag of poor travelers is what both sets of fans and even neutrals would want to see. You owe us this much BCCI and CSA.

  • bzzd on September 18, 2013, 0:32 GMT

    Please tell me - is the BCCI scared of the South African cricket team thrashing the Indian team? I can't understand why else they would be shying away from a series that EVERYONE wants to see.

  • on September 18, 2013, 0:06 GMT

    Do away with the ODI series and just play 4 test matches. That can easily be done in 40 days. Or split the tour like SA did with NZ a few years ago. They played the ODI series in November and the test series in April. I bought flight tickets to Cape Town from California for the Newlands test...I hope they still play.

  • ChannuKapoor on September 17, 2013, 23:46 GMT

    "Money & Power can do anything." Dear BCCI, There is no point playing cricket with a low end ranked Team & win. This is called pointless cricket. If you remember we won "Zero" Test outside our subcontinent. Even Australia with no real star had beaten us comprehensively in Australia. So play some competitive cricket and use your power to build the future of your team. By using Power & money you can maniplulate any tour for now but remember nothing is stable neither power nor money. Set an example and play good competitive cricket. Good Luck Fans.

  • underperformer on September 17, 2013, 22:44 GMT

    Reminds me of the days when RSA were an awesome side with Pollock x 2, Barlow, Richards, Proctor, Lindsay even later van der Bijl but no test cricket now its not apartheid its the arrogance of administrators and the obvious Indian plan to bypass an almost certain lost series.

  • __PK on September 17, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    Am I the only person who sees this? They've made the SA tour impossible, so they can arrange for Tendulkar's 200th Test to be at home, against a weak opponent.

  • SanjivAwesome on September 17, 2013, 21:49 GMT

    Can we bring on the cricket, please! A 3 test series - Morne, Dale and co versus Kohli, Dhawan and co. A fan's dream contest, at the mercy of adminstrators.

  • rag3 on September 17, 2013, 21:07 GMT

    @ Ali Murtaza Its not Darrel Stein- Dale Steyn and also Morkel

  • vj3478 on September 17, 2013, 21:04 GMT

    Its unfortunate but its mostly coz of what Lorgat did to India in the past.Its tricky situation for BCCI too as CSA has is a very good friend and SA players are well respected in India. One man and his appointment changed everything. Solution - resignation of Lorgat which I m sure he will never do ;)

  • on September 17, 2013, 20:57 GMT

    LOL ... looks like BCCI is chickening out of the SA series coz they know the outcome on the field will likely be embarrassing and consequently impact interest in the game and revenue, even if for a short period of time. How much more convenient to play a meaningless one day series with mediocre teams at home and keep the cash flowing.

  • DalesGuy on September 17, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    @Ali Murtaza, the last time India toured SA the test series was 1-1 draw and the 2 people who you mentioned were very much part of their squad!

  • LionsofLanka on September 17, 2013, 19:39 GMT

    @ Ali Murtaza

    "BCCI knows that Indian batsman can't compete with the likes of Darrel Stein and Morkell in South African Seeming Condition......"

    I know about Dale Willem Steyn who plays for South Africa. I don't have any idea of Darrel Stein. But if you are talking about Dale Steyn, then I wanna tell you that he gonna for 35 runs in 4 overs with no maiden & wicketless today's CLT20 MATCH. He was clobbered by Lankan club team all over the ground in Mohali. Don't underestimate Indians in forthcoming series. All fans(mostly from SA) need to understand that there is no point in bashing INDIA or BCCI here. You are making fun of yourselves only same as OZ & English fans do against each other. Every nation except SAF has won world cup and these Ozee & English fans do the same with you on this issue. If you had Test series against Sri Lanka earlier, you might come to know about reality where your team stands.

  • ldsutd on September 17, 2013, 19:35 GMT

    India are tired of losing test series 4-0. so they try to reduce the damage. Suddenly 2 -0 is also not acceptable. so they want to scrap the series all together. SA must focus on playing AUS and ENG and NZ and leave all these weak teams led by the Indian BCCI well alone.

  • on September 17, 2013, 19:01 GMT

    Being an Indian cricket fan I am ashamed of our cricket board. Being powerful is good but forgetting the ordinary cricket fan and indulging in bullying is awful.

  • on September 17, 2013, 18:01 GMT

    BCCI knows that Indian batsman can't compete with the likes of Darrel Stein and Morkell in South African Seeming Condition so they are only playing 2 Test matches in South africa

  • on September 17, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    will be tragic if India doesnt play at least 3 test with SA. what a travesty that the series might not even happen. the purpose of 'test' cricket defeated.

  • ssenthil on September 17, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    If BCCI decides to honour SA then they would still potentially playing 3 Tests, 5 ODI's and 1 or 2 To, thus 21 or 22 days playing adding with 2 tour games for 6 days. Overall an 28 Days playing and 28 days rest as well considering India can play WI and NZ ODI's with a separate team then the Test team. IMO the best way to go forward is SA compromise with BCCI and ask them to schedule like WI start with ODI's and then the 2 Tests. Once the ODI team played WI, then they will travel to SA and Start plying T20's and 5 ODI's and Indian Test team will take on WI. When India completes WI, test start the SA tour, play practice games then Tests and ask Indian ODI team to travel to NZ and start play NZ ODI's while Indian Test team honurs SA test team by playing 3 or even 4 tests, then they can travel to NZ.

    The most important things is to schedule this matches without clash thus giving enough rest to both Test and ODI teams while Indian fans would be treated with a non stopping cricket EVERYDAY

  • test_cricket_lover on September 17, 2013, 17:45 GMT

    It's actually POSSIBLE to play 3 Tests and 3 ODIs in SA. By all means, the WI series will get over by Nov 27th. The SA tour schedule can be made like this...A 3-day match from Dec 3-5. Then 1st test from Dec 9-14, 2nd from Dec 18-23, 3rd from Dec 26-30. And then, India can play 3 one-day matches on Jan 5, 8, 11. Then India can leave to NZ. They have a week's time before the first match starts on Jan 19th. I don't understand why they always see playing 3 Tests as NOT possible!

  • abhi.khanna on September 17, 2013, 17:45 GMT

    I Understand Having A Test Series At Home To Let Sachin Play His 200Th Test In Front Of Home Fans.. But To Make Hugely Important Series Against South Africa So Uncertain And Doubtful Is Terrible For Indian Cricket. Best Solution Should Be To Take Away One-Dayers And T-20s And Play Proper 3 Test Series.

  • Roshan_P on September 17, 2013, 17:29 GMT

    Really annoyed by the BCCI's decision and also all the Indian fans who think this is not an important Test series. People are forgetting that this Test series will be the most important cricketing event in India's calendar year, because it will be the first time in a while that the Test side will be challenged by a top team away from home. It's not about revenue (the BCCI are not running a business, they are running a sport), annoying CSA, getting "brownie points" or glorifying the ODI side. It's about developing the Test side to be the best. It is unacceptable to postpone the India's most important tour for two seasons just so that Tendulkar can play his 200th Test at home.

  • on September 17, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    CSA should not be held to ransom by the BCCI.

  • gsingh7 on September 17, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    only 40 day tour. now its ideal time for india to strengthen their number one rank in odis by winning series in sa. 7 odi and 3 t20 as proposed by csa is ideal foor india . just skip tests and play more tests vs wi and nz for some brownie points. this will increase revenue as well and it will decrease csa revenue as they depend on test matches as their odi team is weak and they have not won any world odi event.

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on September 17, 2013, 15:38 GMT

    playing all seven odi's with 3 t20's is ideal in short time. One 4 day practice game,7into3equals21days, and 3into2equals6days so totally 31 days. This is financially good too.

  • MartinC on September 17, 2013, 14:54 GMT

    2 of the top 3 Test sides in the world should be playing at least a 4 Test series. To play 2 is an insult to cricket fans around the world and makes a mockery of the Test ranking system.

  • StrangeWays on September 17, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    @RAMAXI... i agree with you totally.. cancel the series but unfortunately the BCCI is one step ahead.. they have organised tours with the only teams that could put up a fight.. the WI, Sri Lanka and NZ..(Eng and Aus are busy).... as much as i would love Bangladesh or Zim to put up a good fight.. one has to believe that the worlds current No.1 team would destroy them on its home turf.. The ICC should step in because this has to do with the integrity of the game.. But with Dave Richardson as head, it will only come across as bias or him backing down to the BCCI.. perhaps CSA could organize a "South Africa vs. The Rest of the World" but then pigs can fly.. What a shambles!

  • on September 17, 2013, 14:27 GMT

    This is ridiculous. A marquee test series is in doubt because the BCCI has ego problems? Anything less than 4 tests is a disappointment, less than three? That would be a blow to all the fans who've been waiting for over a year for this series.

  • RAMAXI on September 17, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    Why CSA is worried...they announced the schedule....how BCCI is planning for the alternatives CSA also should do the same and arrange for some home series alternatives.

  • Smithie on September 17, 2013, 14:12 GMT

    Which Board Presidents are in discussion since Mr Srinivasan currently remains officially " stepped aside" pending the outcome of the Supreme Court ruling on the validity or otherwise of his investigation into his son in laws betting activities?

  • on September 17, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    Oh come on just get over it. Either postpone it or cancel it simple as that no need to have some sort of peace talk agenda.

  • on September 17, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    Why not skip the ODI's and play three tests instead? The test are, let's be honest, the only part of this tour that has meaning.

  • on September 17, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    To make Sachin play his 200th test in home is acceptable, but arranging a tri-series with Lanka in home is meaningless :( All are eagerly waiting for SA away series with fresh youngsters for more than 6 months.. A series with atleast 5 or 3 ODIs & 3 tests should be held ! It will be greatly helpful for our arising youngsters to gain a great experience....

  • on September 17, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    To make Sachin play his 200th test in home is acceptable, but arranging a tri-series with Lanka in home is meaningless :( All are eagerly waiting for SA away series with fresh youngsters for more than 6 months.. A series with atleast 5 or 3 ODIs & 3 tests should be held ! It will be greatly helpful for our arising youngsters to gain a great experience....

  • on September 17, 2013, 14:06 GMT

    Why not skip the ODI's and play three tests instead? The test are, let's be honest, the only part of this tour that has meaning.

  • on September 17, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    Oh come on just get over it. Either postpone it or cancel it simple as that no need to have some sort of peace talk agenda.

  • Smithie on September 17, 2013, 14:12 GMT

    Which Board Presidents are in discussion since Mr Srinivasan currently remains officially " stepped aside" pending the outcome of the Supreme Court ruling on the validity or otherwise of his investigation into his son in laws betting activities?

  • RAMAXI on September 17, 2013, 14:22 GMT

    Why CSA is worried...they announced the schedule....how BCCI is planning for the alternatives CSA also should do the same and arrange for some home series alternatives.

  • on September 17, 2013, 14:27 GMT

    This is ridiculous. A marquee test series is in doubt because the BCCI has ego problems? Anything less than 4 tests is a disappointment, less than three? That would be a blow to all the fans who've been waiting for over a year for this series.

  • StrangeWays on September 17, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    @RAMAXI... i agree with you totally.. cancel the series but unfortunately the BCCI is one step ahead.. they have organised tours with the only teams that could put up a fight.. the WI, Sri Lanka and NZ..(Eng and Aus are busy).... as much as i would love Bangladesh or Zim to put up a good fight.. one has to believe that the worlds current No.1 team would destroy them on its home turf.. The ICC should step in because this has to do with the integrity of the game.. But with Dave Richardson as head, it will only come across as bias or him backing down to the BCCI.. perhaps CSA could organize a "South Africa vs. The Rest of the World" but then pigs can fly.. What a shambles!

  • MartinC on September 17, 2013, 14:54 GMT

    2 of the top 3 Test sides in the world should be playing at least a 4 Test series. To play 2 is an insult to cricket fans around the world and makes a mockery of the Test ranking system.

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on September 17, 2013, 15:38 GMT

    playing all seven odi's with 3 t20's is ideal in short time. One 4 day practice game,7into3equals21days, and 3into2equals6days so totally 31 days. This is financially good too.

  • gsingh7 on September 17, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    only 40 day tour. now its ideal time for india to strengthen their number one rank in odis by winning series in sa. 7 odi and 3 t20 as proposed by csa is ideal foor india . just skip tests and play more tests vs wi and nz for some brownie points. this will increase revenue as well and it will decrease csa revenue as they depend on test matches as their odi team is weak and they have not won any world odi event.