South Africa news September 30, 2013

SA players want CSA, BCCI to sort fixtures soon

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South Africa's players would like to see an "urgent engagement" between their board, CSA, and its Indian counterpart, the BCCI, to resolve fixtures over this summer's India series. The national team is due to leave for the UAE this Friday but their home tour against India has no confirmed itinerary after the BCCI objected to CSA's schedule of three Tests, seven ODIs and two Twenty20s. 

Tony Irish, the South African Cricketer's Association (SACA) chief executive, told ESPNcricinfo that the BCCI's leadership structure has been formalised following yesterday's AGM and the players are hopeful the series can be discussed as a matter of importance. ICC chief executive Dave Richardson also spoke on the issue for the first time when he said they could not intervene in bilateral arrangements.

"This is the main tour of the summer and has a massive financial implication on cricket. We are about six weeks away from it and to have it all up in the air is really worrying and frustrating," Irish said. "The players want to see it sorted out. Until yesterday, CSA did not know who they were dealing with at the BCCI because they had not had their election but now that that is sorted it, they need to do whatever it takes to get the discussion going." 

CSA has confirmed it is awaiting the dates of a meeting with the BCCI, although it was earlier mooted that the presidents of the boards would meet at the ICC board meeting on October 16 and 17. 

Irish, in the meanwhile, met with all the players as part of his usual pre-season get together and said the issue of the India tour came up among many of them. "The players are stakeholders in the game and will be affected by whatever happens," he said, explaining the impact is two-fold. "It's not just a financial thing, it's also about the opportunity to play in in a high-profile Test series and substantial limited-overs competitions." 

The South Africa Test team, ranked No. 1 in the world, has not played a match since February. They were due a bumper summer including two Tests against Pakistan and three each against India and Australia in a bid to extend their lead at the top of the rankings. "This is the best Test team we have ever had and it's a very settled unit. They need to be playing in order to keep that momentum," Irish said. 

While seven ODIs were considered overkill, the financial gains would have benefitted South Africa's smaller grounds. Should the tour be curtailed, which seems a certainty in light of India's other series against West Indies and New Zealand, South African cricket could lose up to R200 million (US$20 million).

Irish and the players are not the only people who want to see the issue sorted out. South Africa's provincial affiliates are anxious to know who will host matches and even Richardson expressed concern. "The ICC does not like the fact that two of its strongest members are in dispute. Historically, South Africa and India have been the strongest of allies. The game needs both," he told South Africa's Sunday Times

But Richardson explained why the ICC cannot intervene in bilateral arrangements. "Constitutionally we are a members' organisation. The ICC only has as much authority over the members as the members are prepared to give it. The ICC currently does not have the authority to determine the FTP. The FTP schedule was determined by agreement between the full members." 

The FTP is a non-binding agreement and should countries not reach consensus over the composition of tours, the ICC requires them to play a minimum of two Tests and three ODIs. It looks increasingly likely that maybe that's all South Africa will get out of India this summer, although Graeme Smith's team would obviously like more.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

Comments have now been closed for this article

  • priyankush on September 30, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    ICC should be much more protective of its own FTP . and i hate Dave Richardson saying every time that ICC can't do this and that - he said that India had its right to object against DRS .. by saying these things and not taking firm sides with ICC's FTP and DRS . Richardson actually is undermining ICC's position as the administrator of International Cricket..does FIFA rules being so frequently rejected or objected by football playing nations across the world..ICC should not allow BCCI to dominate these issues of series scheduling and like other cricket boarsd BCCI should start cooperating with ICC's FTP and if BCCi does not follow ICC's FTP , they should be made to pay because of it by financial penalties..I strongly believe ICC should be stronger and more decisive in protecting and planning its FTP..SA india series should be as per ICC's FTP and India west indies series should be scrapped as it was not part of ICC's FTP..

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 7, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    @The_bowlers_Holding. Still India is the only Asian team to level a test series in SA recently where others unable to score 50! Then what?

  • The_bowlers_Holding on October 5, 2013, 0:22 GMT

    Fast_Track_Bully on (October 4, 2013, 4:38 GMT) It is you who needs to check your facts asiacricket1234 on (October 2, 2013, 20:50 GMT) is clearly referring to overseas TEST matches, many Indian fans conveniently refer to the ODI team to attempt to paper over the cracks of the test team overseas pathetic record.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 4, 2013, 4:38 GMT

    @ asiacricket1234. In that case, Aus should refuse to tour India, and Pakistan will not play to any other team! You convincingly forgot that India won almost all ODI matches in recent times. Hope you will do some home work before posting such 'knowledge'. :P

  • asiacricket1234 on October 2, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    it would be a bad idea from BCCI if they choose to send Indian team to SA. After last year's humiliation and losing series to England at home Indian fans seemed to lost the wish of gloating online but since they whitewashed Australia Indian fan again start claiming that they are the best team in the world etc. Now if they send Indian team to SA they are gonna get whitewashed. Anyone with a decent cricket knowledge with agree with that and that will shut up Indian fan God Knows for how long. So for the sake of Indian fan BCCI should refuse to tour SA :P

  • StrangeWays on October 2, 2013, 9:30 GMT

    How can there not be a governing body to handle conflicts like this? What is the point of the ICC? The ICC has no authority... but "the ICC requires them to play a minimum of two Tests and three ODIs." if it has no authority how can it equire? If players in all sports decided what happen then there will be chaos.. oops to late! What happens when some bloated ego rubs some equally bloated ego the wrong way? for example the head of CA or ECB.. will there be no ashes? And how is it that the players have a code of conduct but not the administrators? And finally to all those who are saying that this is CSA's fault, remember CSA wants to play cricket it's the BCCI that has not come up with an alternate schedule.. the 29 of september has come and gone and still nothing has been offered. Captains are suspended or have match fees docked for slow over rates.. or bowlers for running on the pitch.. but administrators can behave like this? Dave Richardson get a real job please!

  • Happy_hamster on October 2, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    Sandip Manjrekar on (October 1, 2013, 10:00 GMT) You have some good stats there matey, the one you forgot maybe is he has played 199 tests (more than anyone else) compared to the clearly superior Hammond's 85.

  • on October 1, 2013, 21:49 GMT

    @hillbumper, im not going to write the same thing again when asked the same thing in a different bottle again :P . Meanwhile, my mind is full of Brad Hodge today, whaddaplaya! wow!

  • Westmorlandia on October 1, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    Not having a schedule for the games only 7 weeks ahead of the supposed first fixture - 21 November - is absolutely shambolic. At least SA were trying to get some dates locked down. Then the BCCI slapped in the series against the West Indies, and it's chaos because they're forcing games to move.

    Now they're suggesting waiting another two weeks before they discuss it? The grounds need to prepare and budget a year in advance. The spectators want to book tickets months in advance. The number of games and the venues should have been confirmed last year. The dates should have been confirmed months ago. It needs to be sorted now to limit the damage so far as possible.

    The Indian tour of England next year has its dates decided already. If the BCCI mess around with that as well, I'll be livid.

  • AndyMick on October 1, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    2nd_slip, THE ASHES are the the most anticipated series of the year, even though it's the second one! I have said this many times before (and it's never been published like this one won't), stop letting the BCCI rule world cricket, the ICC have to stand up to the BCCI and tell them what the rules are, like DRS, etc and not let them DICTATE as they are now. Until such time, every time BCCI don't like it they will just get awkward. Just ban every player from playing in thecIPL, then their attitude will change, end of.

  • priyankush on September 30, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    ICC should be much more protective of its own FTP . and i hate Dave Richardson saying every time that ICC can't do this and that - he said that India had its right to object against DRS .. by saying these things and not taking firm sides with ICC's FTP and DRS . Richardson actually is undermining ICC's position as the administrator of International Cricket..does FIFA rules being so frequently rejected or objected by football playing nations across the world..ICC should not allow BCCI to dominate these issues of series scheduling and like other cricket boarsd BCCI should start cooperating with ICC's FTP and if BCCi does not follow ICC's FTP , they should be made to pay because of it by financial penalties..I strongly believe ICC should be stronger and more decisive in protecting and planning its FTP..SA india series should be as per ICC's FTP and India west indies series should be scrapped as it was not part of ICC's FTP..

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 7, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    @The_bowlers_Holding. Still India is the only Asian team to level a test series in SA recently where others unable to score 50! Then what?

  • The_bowlers_Holding on October 5, 2013, 0:22 GMT

    Fast_Track_Bully on (October 4, 2013, 4:38 GMT) It is you who needs to check your facts asiacricket1234 on (October 2, 2013, 20:50 GMT) is clearly referring to overseas TEST matches, many Indian fans conveniently refer to the ODI team to attempt to paper over the cracks of the test team overseas pathetic record.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 4, 2013, 4:38 GMT

    @ asiacricket1234. In that case, Aus should refuse to tour India, and Pakistan will not play to any other team! You convincingly forgot that India won almost all ODI matches in recent times. Hope you will do some home work before posting such 'knowledge'. :P

  • asiacricket1234 on October 2, 2013, 20:50 GMT

    it would be a bad idea from BCCI if they choose to send Indian team to SA. After last year's humiliation and losing series to England at home Indian fans seemed to lost the wish of gloating online but since they whitewashed Australia Indian fan again start claiming that they are the best team in the world etc. Now if they send Indian team to SA they are gonna get whitewashed. Anyone with a decent cricket knowledge with agree with that and that will shut up Indian fan God Knows for how long. So for the sake of Indian fan BCCI should refuse to tour SA :P

  • StrangeWays on October 2, 2013, 9:30 GMT

    How can there not be a governing body to handle conflicts like this? What is the point of the ICC? The ICC has no authority... but "the ICC requires them to play a minimum of two Tests and three ODIs." if it has no authority how can it equire? If players in all sports decided what happen then there will be chaos.. oops to late! What happens when some bloated ego rubs some equally bloated ego the wrong way? for example the head of CA or ECB.. will there be no ashes? And how is it that the players have a code of conduct but not the administrators? And finally to all those who are saying that this is CSA's fault, remember CSA wants to play cricket it's the BCCI that has not come up with an alternate schedule.. the 29 of september has come and gone and still nothing has been offered. Captains are suspended or have match fees docked for slow over rates.. or bowlers for running on the pitch.. but administrators can behave like this? Dave Richardson get a real job please!

  • Happy_hamster on October 2, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    Sandip Manjrekar on (October 1, 2013, 10:00 GMT) You have some good stats there matey, the one you forgot maybe is he has played 199 tests (more than anyone else) compared to the clearly superior Hammond's 85.

  • on October 1, 2013, 21:49 GMT

    @hillbumper, im not going to write the same thing again when asked the same thing in a different bottle again :P . Meanwhile, my mind is full of Brad Hodge today, whaddaplaya! wow!

  • Westmorlandia on October 1, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    Not having a schedule for the games only 7 weeks ahead of the supposed first fixture - 21 November - is absolutely shambolic. At least SA were trying to get some dates locked down. Then the BCCI slapped in the series against the West Indies, and it's chaos because they're forcing games to move.

    Now they're suggesting waiting another two weeks before they discuss it? The grounds need to prepare and budget a year in advance. The spectators want to book tickets months in advance. The number of games and the venues should have been confirmed last year. The dates should have been confirmed months ago. It needs to be sorted now to limit the damage so far as possible.

    The Indian tour of England next year has its dates decided already. If the BCCI mess around with that as well, I'll be livid.

  • AndyMick on October 1, 2013, 21:27 GMT

    2nd_slip, THE ASHES are the the most anticipated series of the year, even though it's the second one! I have said this many times before (and it's never been published like this one won't), stop letting the BCCI rule world cricket, the ICC have to stand up to the BCCI and tell them what the rules are, like DRS, etc and not let them DICTATE as they are now. Until such time, every time BCCI don't like it they will just get awkward. Just ban every player from playing in thecIPL, then their attitude will change, end of.

  • on October 1, 2013, 18:57 GMT

    @Nixnixon, you still dont see the point do you. I wasn't saying S.A. 'should' be not in the top odi list. Instead, the Point was, to remove SA from that list itself even if they havent won, is flawed. lol talk about not getting the message :D. And even if we did go by your yardstick...won in 98?!!? and not even a world cup at that! That gives you the right to call yourself a respectable ODI side!? According to my books, a big YES,cos a team quality is measured by more than winning in just one or two countries. Agreed that such teams cannot be called world beaters, but you cant rubbish India if they did not win in SA, and HEnce my example to prove a point, hope you got that point finally friend.

  • hhillbumper on October 1, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    @Aby Prasad. Ta for that but my point was about test cricket not the 50 over game which indeed is another game in itself.My point is how can India be ranked so high when only recently they lost so badly to England and does their inability to win abroad count for anything?We agree you are good at home but when you travel? Maybe BCCI should demand that only slow bowlers are allowed for South Africa. Anyway here is hoping we get to see your world class flat trackers here next year.Be a shame for our bowlers to miss padding out their stats against your brave batsmen.

  • NixNixon on October 1, 2013, 14:32 GMT

    @Aby Prasad: SA won the first ICC Champions Trophy in 1998, so your argument is flawed. sorry mate.

  • mmmuthukumar on October 1, 2013, 13:07 GMT

    The only way now for the ICC is to draft a new FTP and get it signed by all countries, at least till WC 23. making all to play atleast 10 Tests 25 ODIs. T20 is best left to Franchise cricket.

  • ladycricfan on October 1, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    In the ICC it is the board members who have the votes and hence the power in decision making. President and CEO have no votes. Different countries have different cricketing histories and different economic strengths.Nobody wants independent members deciding how ashes should be run or whom india should play with. That's was why ECB and BCCI rejected the woolfe report. FTP is decided bilaterally. Current FTP grid shows tours till year 2020. That is 7 years into the future. So many things can change during that time. That's why it is not binding. Boards finalise tour few months before the actual tours. Waiting for CSA and BCCI to sort out their problems and release the tour schedule.

  • on October 1, 2013, 12:33 GMT

    @hillbumper, if India being 2 or 3 in tests is a joke, then S.A. shouldnt even be on the list of ODI rankings since they've never won a world title ever! right? Lol. Rankings aren't done by teams winning just in S.A. or should one rubbish all the other countries altogether? There are other teams and countries too , hope you respect them. Qualifying for the semis arent the same as winning an ODI major tournament right? Give credit for victories that India has achieved wherever it is.. just like many of us give credit to S.A. on being a good ODI team too even if they haven't won anything worthwhile in that arena!

  • pinn on October 1, 2013, 12:27 GMT

    How come SA can go ahead announce 7 ODI and 3 tests without checking with BCCI. Even though BCCI seems to dictate things, it is a mistake from SA to announce without consulting with BCCI. SA wants this tour very badly for the finance reason, now they are paying the price for their mistake.

    If you take the history, some one dominated the world cricket throughout. May be it is BCCI turn now.

  • ladycricfan on October 1, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    No one in the bcci said tour is cancelled. Srinivasan said tour is definitely on. Dalmiyah also said so. Sanjay Patel said bcci will discuss the schedule after AGM. So they were all positive about the tour. If you look at the FTP grid, the tour is from November to January. India is free from November 28th till January 18th. That is 52 days. Plenty of time to have an exciting tour.

  • 2nd_Slip on October 1, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    I really cant believe the BCCI is considering depriving the cricket world what would have been the biggest and most anticipated series of this calender year!!! Absolutely ridiculous!!!

  • SuperSharky on October 1, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    3 Tests & 2 Twenty20's sounds perfect to me, but 7 ODI's sounds a bit two games too much, unless a few games rain out. A 5 ODI series sounds perfect to me. Just long enough to keep the interest high.

  • 2nd_Slip on October 1, 2013, 11:03 GMT

    BCCI are just protecting India from an embarrassing defeat at the hands of the best team in the world, the rest are just scapegoats and silly excuses.Why the hell in their right mind would they want to dictate who another board chooses to lead them, whats next?!! telling SA not to pick Steyn,Kallis,ABD,Amla and Philander because they are better than any Indian player?!!! And as for the apology, what the hell must Logart apologize for?!! its not like BCCI didn't know about the number of matches to be played in the first place. What is even more ridiculous, why complain about the number of games then arrange more games against weaker opposition?!!! You can fool the peanut gallery BCCI but not everyone!!!

  • on October 1, 2013, 11:01 GMT

    Why is it almost seen as illegal to dare criticise Indian cricket and their players. Why do they think they are above anyone else

  • Haleos on October 1, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    @mjrvasu - if someone should quit it should be Srini. He has got too many enthusiasts in BCCI. Die hard CSK fans still are not convinced and are blinded by what is going on. BCCI is holding cricket to ransom. It is one thing to get right things done using your money power and quite another to bully others. Srini and co should go. Period.

  • on October 1, 2013, 10:27 GMT

    @AltafPatel

    Politicians always seek new ground to play their games. Good joke!! Politicians are also human beings like you & me. Any way, Tell me what are the fans doing here? They are also doing same politics while posting comments.

    Are we still real cricket lovers???

  • DocBindra on October 1, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    Firstly, I would like to see this tour go through even as India are the underdog, they will only benefit from playing against a strong SA side which would prevail. Lots of turnover in the Indian side with the youth movement and the experience will do them a world of good...However, for all the conspiracy theorist here, if they think that India is avoiding SA, so be it. Haroon Logat almost seems like he had an axe to grind whenever it came to India when he was the president. So now if he wants to play nicey nicey to promote this tour, its ONLY for economical reasons. SA has a lot more to gain than India as now cricket has become a business. If BCCI want to pay in kind, so be it.

  • on October 1, 2013, 10:00 GMT

    @Xolile

    How good you make perfect sense??? Tendulkar; first double hundred maker in ODI history, against whom??? South Africa. Against whom(Bowlers)???? Dale Steyn 10-0-89-0. Yuvraj Singh hit 6 sixes against Whom?? ENG/ S. Broad At which Venue?? SA. Tendulkar make highest runs 1161 other than WR Hammond (Eng) 1447 against whom?? South Africa. Venue?? South Africa. How many centuries he made in SA. 5 which is the highest number by any one visitors in South Africa. IND doesn't care to play any where and that is why cricket gets immense popularity in INDIA. Please get over from flat pitch euphoria.

    It really make good joke when you post such a comment.

  • satzzz on October 1, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    @Xolile

    In the so called flat pitches why can't your country men boast the same scores as Sachin. I wanna remind you that Sachin has scored heavily against OZ, proteas and Pakistanis. Just go and check out the last tour of India to SA and know who he is!

    #Sachinism4Ever

  • mjrvasu on October 1, 2013, 9:33 GMT

    Haroon Logat will not quit, Srinivasan back in power. This tour will not take place. Sorry SA

  • AltafPatel on October 1, 2013, 9:29 GMT

    Politicians always seek new ground to play their games.

  • on October 1, 2013, 9:28 GMT

    Don't worry folks, it will be sorted with 3 T20s and 3 Tests. ODIs will be played some other time.

  • on October 1, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    @Xolile, Sachin has scored heavily against Aus and SA. During the last SA series in SA, he has averaged at 81.5 with 2 centuries. Check the following link. He has carried Indian hopes for so long and still people crib about him.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=5925;team=6;type=series

  • BellCurve on October 1, 2013, 9:01 GMT

    The BCCI has protected Tendulkar for 20 years. They have given him nice flat pitches to play on and weak attacks to score runs against. Obviously they do not want to expose him to Steyn & Co in the last days of his career. They want the Indian fans to feel good about themselves. It all makes perfect sense.

  • hhillbumper on October 1, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    @gsingh7- you have never won a series in SA or Aus.The fact you are number 2 is a statistical joke. Also the last time England toured SA we drew the Series. India continue to wield as much power as they have and good luck for them.Given the absolute mess the IPL is and the match fixing issue it is good to have BCCI taking the lead with the level of democracy we have seen from it recently. Can't wait for you lot to tour England though we expect you to demand only flat pitches and no fast bowling.Please bring Tendulkar though.Would love to see him against some proper fast bowling on proper pitches

  • on October 1, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    @Rohan Thillekerathne

    And I am eager to watch them playing and enjoy with sportsmanship rather than posting unlawful. Both countries are my favourites apart home team.

  • akashchandran on October 1, 2013, 7:58 GMT

    The possible itinary under the circumstances: Dec 5 - Tour game, 7 -1st T20, 8-2nd T20, 10- 1st ODI, 12 - 2nd ODI, 15 - 3rd ODI, 17-4th ODI, 19-5th ODI, 21-23: First class game, 26-30: 1st Test, 2-6: 2nd Test, 9-13:3rd Test. Very little gap between the ODIs. But it is only way that 3 Tests, 5 ODIs and 2 T20s could be accomodated in the tour.

  • on October 1, 2013, 7:53 GMT

    South Africa can play a full series with Sri Lanka if this series won't take place.

  • on October 1, 2013, 7:53 GMT

    @priyankush September 30, 2013, 16:41 GMT Featured comment

    I am truly surprised to read about your comments which tend to bend on one side rather than neutral. "ICC should be much more protective of its own FTP " is the only one sentence that can be respected nothing else. How can you say that India west indies series should be scrapped? Many series are held with short time notices and you should know about that. ICC can't be dictator as you provoked to suggest. What Dave Richardson had told is absolutely right and Only CSA-BCCI should resolve bilateral issues in between them. Law abides his views but not yours. Comparing every time with FIFA is nothing but mockery with the facts. The bigger sponsors for FOOTBALL is because of largest playing nations, largest viewership & largest market available for Sponsors' products. This economy is not applicable for to limited viewership of cricket. Foolish to allege BCCI to dictate on anybody as they have a right to decide their own plans.

  • on October 1, 2013, 6:57 GMT

    Tks Bibhudhi Padhi. Agree with the other points too, including that we are the ultimate losers.Clarke501 rightly reminds us that ICC is not a governing power like FIFA (explained more in the article itself) esp in bilateral series and the matter is closed at that. To write meaningless reasons like 'fear' or other factors like other fans have continuously written meanwhile is not wise. If it was fear, the tour wouldn't have been discussed and fixed from the beginning lol. As for being pushy or destructive, oh come on, every stronger power in every field (political parties,countries,boards,companies etc) does this every other day and have been doing it for eternity! Nothing new in it to overreact. BCCI, ECB and such have done many good friendly, supportive actions too in between all of this. Just check history(ECB supporting India in 2010, BCCI supporting S.A., SL, Pak etc in the past are well documented) The flip side is also not uncommon. Nothing is black n white bad or good.

  • on October 1, 2013, 6:22 GMT

    Much has been written about the villainy of BCCI & Srini. Lorgat's deeds (or,lack of it) which also contributed to the fiasco is being underplayed. Take a look::

    1. Srini is not the ONLY ONE Lorgat rubbed on the wrong side.

    2. Arbitrary shifting of ENG - IND world cup match from Eden got the mickey, of Dalmia.

    3. Open dalliance with "the enemy" (Bindra) offended the whole group, which runs BCCI now. Effectively dabbled with internal politics of BCCI, for a useless letter of reference in return.

    4. Fooled the Selection Committee, with that "Letter of Reference"; or fooled himself, by believing it.

    5. Sat on the tour schedule, even after hearing from BCCI that the so called final schedule didn't have their consent. If so, how can it be bi-lateral?

    6. Lack of awareness that FTP had lost its sanctity long ago.

    7. Didn't grab opportunities to salvage the tour, for more than 2 months, by sitting on his high horse.

    P.S. I'm not a BCCI/Srini Fan; but Lorgat's role can't be ignored.

  • Shiny-Side on October 1, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    Someone please explain to me the logic behind BCCI complaining about too many matches on the SA itinerary and then responding by booking more matches against WI and NZ. That is not the real reason why they want to shorten the tour. I have always defended the BCCI, but after they tried to dictate to another country who they should elect and then tried to blackmail them afterwards, I have lost all respect for the BCCI. It seems CSA should first consult with BCCI about which team to pick as well the way things are going.

  • Ramesh_Joseph on October 1, 2013, 5:24 GMT

    To everyone quoting FIFA, let me remind them, this is a bilateral series and not a tournament. In all ICC tournaments, the ICC like FIFA has full powers. When it comes to bilateral matches between two nations, even FIFA has no powers. It is usually decided by the two countries involved. Football has very few bilateral matches unlike Cricket, hence the impression that FIFA has more powers. Let us look at facts. In any bilateral series the matter has to be agreed by both the boards. The South Africans unilaterally decide on the itenary and since then have done nothing but issue press statements. Why is BCCI obliged to agree to everything CSA says? The FTP is only a guideline and BCCI is not even a signatory to it. In what way is BCCI bound by the FTP? And whats wrong if it is a 2 match series. I remember the last two SA tours to India, they played only 2 tests. How come Pakistan is playing only 2 tests vs SA in UAE and no one seems to be bothered?

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 1, 2013, 5:16 GMT

    India is the only team who leveled a test series in SA in recent times. But that is not enough for some bashers. They forget the humiliating whitewash with less than 100 runs all out of own teams and eager to criticize India.

  • satzzz on October 1, 2013, 4:45 GMT

    I wonder how the cricket world would have reacted if BCCI had released its itenary without consulting its counterpart. Everyone would have bashed saying BCCI is harsh bla bla bla. But when it is other way around still people bash at BCCI. I guess ppl around the world are jealous on BCCI. And being a south africa team's fan(of course next 2 my team INDIA) i really feel like ppl from CSA are just releasing press meets after press meets instead of doing what they are saying in those meets. Lorgat even told that he is ready to apologize if BCCI wants and when Dalmia told it would be good, where was(and is still) he hiding? Did Lorgat step over here to India to solve this issue or atleast did he announce about the steps taken to resolve the issue? Lorgat is using the heat of the situation and playing the blame game against his BCCI(with whom he was not comfortable during his ICC tenure). Its high time CSA reacts to put a full stop to this situation and continue the relationship we had once.

  • maddy20 on October 1, 2013, 4:44 GMT

    @Joe Thompson India was the only team to push them to the brink in the past 3 years(1-1 and nearly won the third). They have pummeled every other team including Aus, Eng, SL etc.,

  • landofcricket on October 1, 2013, 2:39 GMT

    @shazil,@harrymangat yes i agree with you guys.bcci is scared to sent thier team to overseas that is why they are going to play 5 test matches against eng in eng.instead of four...well said

  • Dhumper on September 30, 2013, 22:11 GMT

    @gsingh and Kumar: India's new look team may be good in ODIs but I have no doubt they are going to get a beating in SA in Test cricket. That might be India's old team. Now after 0-8 away drubbing, they better play 2 tests and go home 0-2 then 0-3 or 0-4. Smart move BCCI :)

    Pakistan on the other hand will be playing SA in UAE and have a great opportunity to beat them in spin friendly conditions. A recebt test lost to Zimbabwe may prove a blessing in disguise - it was on not so friendly spin tracks anyway

  • on September 30, 2013, 22:02 GMT

    I hope India were not afraid of South Africa especially what they did to Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Australia and New Zealand all bowled out for under 50 scores. Should've really been a 3 match test series but as a South African fan, its something we want to see. Forget about the ODIs and T20s for now, just play the test series. India are an ordinary team anyway and South Africa will win them all regardless.

  • samincolumbia on September 30, 2013, 21:09 GMT

    I am 100% positive that if it was the other way around, BCCI would have still received flak from our 'friends'. Nobody has a problem with CSA making the announcement without consulting BCCI even once, but everyone is up in arms because BCCI would not agree to their terms. If it were the BCCI drawing up an itinerary without consulting another board, there would be whinings about bullying, arm twisting, approaching the UNCHR for justice blah blah...BCCI is doing the right thing by sticking it up to Lorgat.

  • shillingsworth on September 30, 2013, 20:32 GMT

    @priyankush - I don't disagree with your solution but the problem is that the ICC is not a governing body with the powers that FIFA has. As presently constituted, the ICC is merely a federation of national boards and cannot compel them to do anything. Richardson is only telling it as it is.

  • Jadejafan on September 30, 2013, 19:06 GMT

    @Albert_Campbell - lol for a team that lost an ODI and especially test game to Zimbabwe, I doubt India were afraid of getting thrashed in South Africa especially bowled out for 49 :) India Cricket is very busy that's why and they have not cancelled the SA series, just reduce the games so players aren't exhausted.

  • maddy20 on September 30, 2013, 18:50 GMT

    Yet another Pakistani posting under the guise of SAffa. However regardless of what you think, they have been advised not to appoint a guy who stepped on our toes way too many times and thought he would get away with it! Guess what, they thought wrong! As and Indian though I personally think that refusal from both sides to resolve the issues in time for the series to go ahead has deprived us all of a great contest. We almost managed to get over the line last time in both tests and ODIs. Me thinks that this young Indian side has a decent chance of pushing SA to the limit, now that we got rid of the non-performers like Sehwag, Gambhir etc.,

  • gsingh7 on September 30, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    @shazli-- india drew last series 1-1 in sa . but u must have mistaken pakistan's recent result in sa which was 3-0 . india have changed team now and are top of odi rankings with some margin and joint second in official icc test rankings. so much to play for both teams and india must beat sa to earn enough points to regain mace of test ranking number 1 in near future. i wish india plays sa and beat them at their homegrounds this time . last time kallis saved them from losing series. even their head coach acknowledged that toss and kaliis prevented them from losing.

  • on September 30, 2013, 17:41 GMT

    @Shazli - You cannot become no.1 by playing no.8 & no.9. On the other hand, you can really fall, if you lose to these nations - ask Pakistan, who are well deservedly there. Last India played in SA, the series was drawn 1-1. India has started to do well in SA, right from the 2003 WC. And right now, India looks like a pretty good team, since all their infight is taken care of. Sehwag and Gambhir, who were creating a rift in the team for captaincy are fighting their own demons now. For SA's ABD, we have a Kolhi, for their Amla, we have Pujara, for Greame Smith, we have Dhawan, for their Kallis, we have Sachin. We don't have an answer for their fast bowlers esp Steyn. But what will you do about a certain MSD. He is hungry and he will come after the bowlers. SA will lose their first home series to India, Srinivasan willing.

  • harrymangat on September 30, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    It seems the team is quite scared of facing SA as they are by far the better team. Surely the 8-0 overseas drubbing in England and Australia is on their minds. So better to play NZ and WI and keep the Indian team rankings high. Very smart move by BCCI!!

  • Albert_cambell on September 30, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    BCCI is complaining abt the 7 match Odi series against us. BUt if they can play 7 match ODI series at home on flat track vs Aussies, then why cant they play abroad with us. The reason is they are afraid to face us at home. We all know they already have 8-0 overseas record. After this series it will become 11-0. Also they would possibly lose the ODI series 5-2 or 6-1 with us and lose their number-1 rating. So they are inviting low ranked teams like WI to home flat tracks and save their embarassment they are going to get from us. Also I heard some Triangular series with SL and Pak. Cricinfo Please publish.

  • on September 30, 2013, 16:48 GMT

    @ Aby Prasad : I sincerely believe this is the best,unbiased Comment anyone has given.I can tell people from my observation that.... BCCI doesn't care if india even looses @ 0-10 ;what it cares is if IPL is hit by the intervention of any government anti corruption policy!! Having said that i believe most of us would do the same thing as BCCI doing currently.Just think of a scenario when one of your Good friend do something knowingly that hurt you severly and your prestige is at risk.This situation can be best experienced if you face it in real life....If India has the power to do what ever it likes,then i believe South Africa will surely have the ultimatum in short/long future to overcome it.... Considering a Fan's emotion, dont be bias but next time do think twice while u support your Cricket board...at the end of the day its a loss of CRICKET even if the series is curtailed short . :(

  • Nutcutlet on September 30, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    I know I'm living in a parallel universe, but it would be courteous for the BCCI to respond asap to this very reasonable request from the SA players. The cricketing world knows that the BCCI is courtesy- deficient but having had their protracted domestic game of political musical chairs (with Srinivasan getting his bottom parked in the same seat from which he arose), they just might turn their minds to their raison d'etre: the business of organising Indian national cricket. Now, BCCI, a spot of old-fashioned courtesy, perhaps? Now you're all sitting comfortably...

  • half_blood-prince on September 30, 2013, 16:40 GMT

    I think we indian fans should give a signed petition to bcci to force them to arrange only 4 tests or 3 tests-odi.we need to pressure bcci

  • CricketChat on September 30, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    Now that Srini and his supports are firmly planted in the top brass of the BCCI administration, I doubt the status quo will change much, if at all.

  • natty_no_goals on September 30, 2013, 16:03 GMT

    I think that for anyone to say that India are scared to play South Africa in South Africa are being extremely harsh/disingenuous. However, it is clear that this impasse is really bad for the game. South Africa v India is a standout series that all neutrals would look forward to. From what it seems (although I certainly can't claim to know all of the facts), personal grievances are denying the cricketing public a mouth-watering, proper length test series. It is a pity someone at the I.C.C. does not have the power (or simply the will) to bang some heads together to ensure the contest happens.

  • on September 30, 2013, 15:49 GMT

    BCCI doesnt want another overseas failure. may be they think the players are not ready to face no.1 team.last 2 overseas tours of india have been a disaster.

  • on September 30, 2013, 15:43 GMT

    the matches are the right number if india can play 7 odis against australia soon and england later in the year why cant they play SA surley india want to test themsleves against the number one test team in the world or are india worried that in away series their batsmans average suddenly drops and they as a unit struggle bcci want reduced matches as its good to lose a series by say 3-2 then by 5-2

  • mahjut on September 30, 2013, 15:02 GMT

    Samroy ... it's hard to say whether any of the current crop of bats will eventually become mentioned as all time greats but the likes of Amla and ABDV could easily go on to be talked about for generations. Smith is an excellent leader (used to be a tad overcautious but does anyone lead from the front like him?). Kallis is the best allrounder SA have produced. Steyn WILL be an all time great and his back-ups could be, at this point in time, described as excellent. I think the rest of the squad can also be described as very good if not world class. It's a very strong SA team at the moment ...

    It would be a shame if this tour not going ahead does lead to the sort of negative ramifications expected :(

  • TheUltimateTruth on September 30, 2013, 14:51 GMT

    @ landl47, Although I have no inside information, my suspicion is no such thought (as you speculate) has gone into delaying the young Indians' exposure to SA. I think this is a pure BCCI vs. CSA fight, possibly denying the fans of a highly awaited test series. I think the Indian fans feel they have a team now that can compete with SA in SA. I personally don't believe they can win the series, but I fully expect them to draw the series. However, we may never find out.

  • on September 30, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    I believe India should play 3 tests and 5 ODIs. No need for T20s. Then come home and play West Indies. CSA has been best buds for BCCI for a long time and BCCI needs to keep its arrogance aside for a moment. I'd prefer Sachin vs Steyn battle to happen in Steyn's backyard.

  • on September 30, 2013, 14:17 GMT

    CSA and Haroon Lorgat are being so stubborn, first they released the weird 7ODI schedule without even consulting BCCI and then they have not even tried to meet BCCI president to get an agreement, they were just hoping that Srinivasan won't be elected and then they can have their way with the new president, now it is CSA's time to face the music!!

  • on September 30, 2013, 14:11 GMT

    They Should Play ODIS And T20s

  • Taha_Farrukh on September 30, 2013, 14:02 GMT

    infact India wants to become no. 1 team by playing test matches with low ranked i.e. No 8 & 9 in ICC Test ranking and they really don't want face No.1 Test team in the world so that they can improve their ranking. INDIA is Scared from inning defeats against SA because they have very poor record outside their home country and they use to that sort of tactics every time to make a record or improve their ranking. Plz Publish Cricinfo Plz

  • on September 30, 2013, 14:02 GMT

    Samroy I agree with you on that one. This team is also a very good one with batters like smith, amla,de Villiers and kallis. Bowlers like philander, steyn and morkel.

  • DhairyBoghani on September 30, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    @lanal Team India wants to play in this tour. but problem is between two board. New Indian test team is able to beat SA in SA. sehvag,gambhir,dravid,lakshman,raina,yuvraj,zaheer,sresanth,praveen,harbhajan all of that whitewashed team is out & team with Dhavan, Vijay, Poojara, Kohli, R Sharma, B Kumar, Yadav, Jadeja are able to beat any team. If board can forget their personal issues & tour organize with 3 test would be greatest between 2 best team of the world.

  • SamRoy on September 30, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    First of, this is not the best team that SA ever had. The best SA team was of 1970 (just before being removed for apartheid) with two all time great batsman (Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock), an excellent opening attack, a great all-rounder (Mike Procter) and an excellent captain (Ali Bacher). Rest of the players in the team ranged from very good to world class. That team was truly great. In my view that team was at least the 4th greatest team of all-time behind 80's West Indies, Bradman's Invincibles and Australia between 1999-2007 (The Adam Gilchrist period). In fact it may rank even higher up the ladder.

  • landl47 on September 30, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    Maybe India doesn't feel ready to tackle South Africa yet? Their last two away series against the top teams, England and Australia, didn't go too well. This is a young Indian side and perhaps their management would rather give them a bit more seasoning before taking on SA, who are indisputably the best test side at the moment, in their own backyard.

  • AJ_Tiger86 on September 30, 2013, 12:57 GMT

    They should cancel the tests and T20s, and play 7 ODIs as scheduled.

  • zoomzam on September 30, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    Its about time someone stood up to the bullying tactics of the BCCI and especially its Head! SA should simply cancel the tour. The Australians are honored citizens in India as are the N Zealanders; both will now bow to the IPL money! It is up to Sri Lanka,Pakistan,SA,WI to stand up and refuse to play India.Let them play with their pals the Aussies and N Zealanders! Otherwise the BCCI will dictate their terms. How can a National board object to the appointment of a Chairman of another board? The head of the BCCI wants irregularities against the newly appointed SA Chief to be investigated. Imagine if irregularities were investigated in IPL.. Just ask Lalit Modi!Perhaps Modi is in the process of forming a breakaway Nations league?

  • on September 30, 2013, 12:33 GMT

    After waiting n observing these developments(which is the wise thing to do instead of jumping and commenting wn u hear the first breaking news of an 'alleged unclear' dispute),I feel the tour might be curtailed but S.A. will be compensated by a future shortened tour or a few matches and things will be fine from then.The funny thing is that many fans bought this issue and started venting out their anger based on assumptions for/against BCCI/CSA along with all the oohaahs prematuredly.Even some writers took it seriously,lol.In any case,necessity is the mother of invention and if CSA does get hurt, then they would definitely venture into new routes to grow without depending on any particular board.So its all good ;)

  • on September 30, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    It indeed is frustrating not only to the players, adminstrators but too the fans as well. Hope the concerned ppl on both sides will sit together & resolve the issue amicably. My gut feeling is pretty positive about this tour to be on.

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on September 30, 2013, 11:54 GMT

    how could lorgat took instruction from IS BINDRA which is totally unacceptable in any way, especially when dealing with strained partner. india should cancel south africa to protect intrest of indian cricket and also as a lesson to SA cricket and others. It's like coup, what was so bad is how lorgat believed bindra.

  • on September 30, 2013, 11:42 GMT

    BCCI, rules international cricket. RSA should sideline Lorgat, who seems to be the obstacle to the Indians, and for the sake of CRICKET AND THE GAME WE ALL LOVE, appoint someone else

  • on September 30, 2013, 11:42 GMT

    BCCI, rules international cricket. RSA should sideline Lorgat, who seems to be the obstacle to the Indians, and for the sake of CRICKET AND THE GAME WE ALL LOVE, appoint someone else

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on September 30, 2013, 11:54 GMT

    how could lorgat took instruction from IS BINDRA which is totally unacceptable in any way, especially when dealing with strained partner. india should cancel south africa to protect intrest of indian cricket and also as a lesson to SA cricket and others. It's like coup, what was so bad is how lorgat believed bindra.

  • on September 30, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    It indeed is frustrating not only to the players, adminstrators but too the fans as well. Hope the concerned ppl on both sides will sit together & resolve the issue amicably. My gut feeling is pretty positive about this tour to be on.

  • on September 30, 2013, 12:33 GMT

    After waiting n observing these developments(which is the wise thing to do instead of jumping and commenting wn u hear the first breaking news of an 'alleged unclear' dispute),I feel the tour might be curtailed but S.A. will be compensated by a future shortened tour or a few matches and things will be fine from then.The funny thing is that many fans bought this issue and started venting out their anger based on assumptions for/against BCCI/CSA along with all the oohaahs prematuredly.Even some writers took it seriously,lol.In any case,necessity is the mother of invention and if CSA does get hurt, then they would definitely venture into new routes to grow without depending on any particular board.So its all good ;)

  • zoomzam on September 30, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    Its about time someone stood up to the bullying tactics of the BCCI and especially its Head! SA should simply cancel the tour. The Australians are honored citizens in India as are the N Zealanders; both will now bow to the IPL money! It is up to Sri Lanka,Pakistan,SA,WI to stand up and refuse to play India.Let them play with their pals the Aussies and N Zealanders! Otherwise the BCCI will dictate their terms. How can a National board object to the appointment of a Chairman of another board? The head of the BCCI wants irregularities against the newly appointed SA Chief to be investigated. Imagine if irregularities were investigated in IPL.. Just ask Lalit Modi!Perhaps Modi is in the process of forming a breakaway Nations league?

  • AJ_Tiger86 on September 30, 2013, 12:57 GMT

    They should cancel the tests and T20s, and play 7 ODIs as scheduled.

  • landl47 on September 30, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    Maybe India doesn't feel ready to tackle South Africa yet? Their last two away series against the top teams, England and Australia, didn't go too well. This is a young Indian side and perhaps their management would rather give them a bit more seasoning before taking on SA, who are indisputably the best test side at the moment, in their own backyard.

  • SamRoy on September 30, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    First of, this is not the best team that SA ever had. The best SA team was of 1970 (just before being removed for apartheid) with two all time great batsman (Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock), an excellent opening attack, a great all-rounder (Mike Procter) and an excellent captain (Ali Bacher). Rest of the players in the team ranged from very good to world class. That team was truly great. In my view that team was at least the 4th greatest team of all-time behind 80's West Indies, Bradman's Invincibles and Australia between 1999-2007 (The Adam Gilchrist period). In fact it may rank even higher up the ladder.

  • DhairyBoghani on September 30, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    @lanal Team India wants to play in this tour. but problem is between two board. New Indian test team is able to beat SA in SA. sehvag,gambhir,dravid,lakshman,raina,yuvraj,zaheer,sresanth,praveen,harbhajan all of that whitewashed team is out & team with Dhavan, Vijay, Poojara, Kohli, R Sharma, B Kumar, Yadav, Jadeja are able to beat any team. If board can forget their personal issues & tour organize with 3 test would be greatest between 2 best team of the world.

  • on September 30, 2013, 14:02 GMT

    Samroy I agree with you on that one. This team is also a very good one with batters like smith, amla,de Villiers and kallis. Bowlers like philander, steyn and morkel.