India in South Africa 2013-14 October 8, 2013

India invite CSA for tour talks

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The BCCI has invited Cricket South Africa president, Chris Nenzani, for discussions on the proposed bilateral series, whose details are yet to be agreed upon and finalised.

"I have formally invited Mr Nenzani to come down to India and discuss the nitty-gritty of the series," BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel said. "The date and venue will be finalised once all formalities are completed."

Patel, however, made it clear that the BCCI had not invited CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat, whose appointment is believed to have led to the breakdown of relations between the two boards. Lorgat and Patel had met on the sidelines of the ICC chief executives' committee meeting in Dubai last month, but had failed to reach a consensus over itinerary.

Though an agreement has been elusive so far, Patel was confident the tour would take place. "We are very positive about the tour and don't see any reason to take the extreme step."

He elaborated on what the BCCI's grouse with the schedule announced by CSA was. "All that we are aggrieved about is the fact that we were taken for granted and the itinerary was announced unilaterally. Besides, our priority is the Board's and our players' interests. My boys are not machines, they need a break. Who are you (CSA) to tell them they should be on the road for more than three-four months?"

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY VVSR92 on | October 9, 2013, 7:13 GMT

    Poor explanation. If BCCI feels that players are not machines how and they shorten the tour that was scheduled way back in ftp,why do they have to add up test seris vs wi that was not mentioned in the ftp? The actions lack logic & are unapplealing to cricket fans who desire quality cricket. Whatever may be bcci problem with logart they should not let it affect cricket fans.

  • POSTED BY fguy on | October 9, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta good reply to the "runners" on this forum. there are plenty of people whose countries arent even involved who keep commenting on matters to do with other countries & even instigating others to "ban" india when their own countries will grab at the chance to play india at even the hint of an invite from them. others put down the ipl while in the same breath complain that their players arent allowed to participate. then they put down india's performances abroad when their own performances are laughable (loss to Zim, 3-0 loss to SA where india drew 1-1, etc). & to those that say india are scared then please explain why they are playing 5 tests in Eng when they dont even play 5 test series at home?!!

  • POSTED BY bharatputra83 on | October 9, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    11) Recently, BCCI also found out that Lorgat was being chummy with Bindra, a former BCCI president and who is in opposition of the current BCCI president. The BCCI head wouldn't have taken kindly to someone who is siding with his 'enemy'.

    As you can see, there are more than enough reasons for the BCCI to hold a grudge against Lorgat. I am not taking anybody's side. Neither BCCI nor Lorgat is completely in the light. But considering the history, repercussions were bound to happen sooner than later when dealing with Lorgat.

  • POSTED BY bharatputra83 on | October 9, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    To those who don't know why BCCI has a grudge against Lorgat :

    1) In 2009, India had submitted it's FTP to ICC which excluded Pakistan because of the recent 26/11 attacks. Lorgat refused to accept it,thus causing ripples.

    2) In the first 2 IPL season's, Lorgat kept insisting that BCCI use the much expensive Anticorruption and Security(ACS) of ICC despite BCCI refusing it.

    3) Lorgat insisted cricket should come under WADA (doping agency) but BCCI objected saying it needed a cricketer specific doping agency. WADA needs players to announce their whereabouts 3 months in advance and this came after SL team bus was attacked in Pakistan with rifles and rocket launchers.

    4) In 2011, Lorgat criticised BCCI for it's manner of ticket sales in 2001 world cup held in India, which exceeded his brief, it being an internal matter of BCCI and India.

    5) Lorgat insisted on DRS in WC2011 which BCCI is opposed to, and provoked BCCI further saying it was ICC WC, not BCCI WC.

    ...Contd...

  • POSTED BY Greatest_Game on | October 9, 2013, 15:24 GMT

    The truth is self-evident.

    The Supreme Court ruled against Srinivasan: IPL corruption will be re-investigated by the court. Srini stays OUT. Now, Patel & BCCI have to act: Srini is no longer responsible

    Talk about the tour itinerary is a coverup, a smokescreen. If the "itinerary concerns" were overworked players, why suddenly cram in a series before & after the SA tour? Clearly, it's NOT about players.

    If the itinerary is the problem, why refuse to discuss it with Lorgat? He was appointed AFTER the CSA announcement? Lorgat bears NO responsibility, but Nenzani DOES. The BCCI will talk with the man responsible for the announcement, & NOT the man who had nothing to do with it!

    Don't be fooled by this "itinerary" story. At issue is Srinivasan's feud with Lorgat. The Court ruled against Srini & the VERY NEXT DAY talks are on... but without Lorgat. Relations are resumed, but ONLY without Srinivasan & Lorgat. That is ALL we need to know!

    Cricinfo: please be fair & publish the truth

  • POSTED BY Greatest_Game on | October 9, 2013, 15:15 GMT

    @ Venkat_Gowrishankar asks "how different is BCCI from the old "Imperial cricket council"?. What goes round comes round. SImple!"

    Unfortunately Venkat, the BCCI is no different at all! And that sir, is the problem. The ills of the past do not justify arrogance and bigotry today. What was immoral then remains immoral now.

    If "what goes around, comes around," then Indian cricket will oct again experience the discrimination it previously suffered. Is that what the BCCI should be creating? A dark and uncertain future for Indian cricket? The BCCI is making no friends, and many enemies.Is this what Indian fans want?

  • POSTED BY wrenx on | October 9, 2013, 14:41 GMT

    Here's a handy translation: "We are a cricket team with obligations to play cricket against other cricket teams. Another cricket team decided to fulfil its obligations efficiently, so now I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram." Let's not pretend that the BCCI want this tour to go ahead at all - the gracious approach would have been to thank South Africa for being pro-active with organising the tour, to let them know if there were any scheduling conflicts, and agree a plan. Not to sit there playing the victim, due to the massive affront of being invited to tour another nation to do what you claim to: play circket

  • POSTED BY Hakuna on | October 9, 2013, 13:39 GMT

    I am an Indian and I find BCCI's behavior disgusting off late. Their approach towards IPL/ICL, Hawkeye and other issues has been downright myopic and self serving. They have no interest in Cricket's development.

    That said, the other boards have been too eager to roll over. If ENG, Aus and SA (and who ever else they can get in their corner) collectively chose not to play with India, BCCI's financial power will wilt faster than it will impact other boards. IPL will be reduced to domestic show and Indian crowds won't be filling up the stadiums to watch no name players.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | October 9, 2013, 13:15 GMT

    Now that Mr. Srinivasan has been given the temporary permit to be the President of BCCI (while "IPL Fixing" is investigated by the 3 men panel), it is time to move forward. BCCI & Srinivasan should forget their differences with Mr. Lorgat and "move Forward" in positive spirit of co-operation. Before people attack integrity of "others", they should keep an eye on their own record. It is a Fact that there is not a single top executive in India or any where in the world who has NOT blundered & survived. This applies equally to Mr. Srinivasan or to Mr. Lorgat. Building bridges should be in the job definition of the chiefs of BCCI & CSA. It would have been an excellent gesture to invite Mr.Lorgat + CSA President to the itinerary finalisation meeting. Also it will be best to keep at least 3 Test matches in tact even at the expense of other matches (ODI's + T20) - reduced as time permits. Above all the main aim of these matches should be to promote goodwill between Nations thru' Cricket!

  • POSTED BY chotteguru on | October 9, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    True, the BCCI is behaving unprofessionally by picking who they want to talk to at CSA and not expectadly either. Though, there is still an opportunity for them to come up a with a credible schedule that shows that the team is prepared to take on a meaningful challenge against the best test team on their home ground. Anything else and the team will look like cowards.

  • POSTED BY VVSR92 on | October 9, 2013, 7:13 GMT

    Poor explanation. If BCCI feels that players are not machines how and they shorten the tour that was scheduled way back in ftp,why do they have to add up test seris vs wi that was not mentioned in the ftp? The actions lack logic & are unapplealing to cricket fans who desire quality cricket. Whatever may be bcci problem with logart they should not let it affect cricket fans.

  • POSTED BY fguy on | October 9, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta good reply to the "runners" on this forum. there are plenty of people whose countries arent even involved who keep commenting on matters to do with other countries & even instigating others to "ban" india when their own countries will grab at the chance to play india at even the hint of an invite from them. others put down the ipl while in the same breath complain that their players arent allowed to participate. then they put down india's performances abroad when their own performances are laughable (loss to Zim, 3-0 loss to SA where india drew 1-1, etc). & to those that say india are scared then please explain why they are playing 5 tests in Eng when they dont even play 5 test series at home?!!

  • POSTED BY bharatputra83 on | October 9, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    11) Recently, BCCI also found out that Lorgat was being chummy with Bindra, a former BCCI president and who is in opposition of the current BCCI president. The BCCI head wouldn't have taken kindly to someone who is siding with his 'enemy'.

    As you can see, there are more than enough reasons for the BCCI to hold a grudge against Lorgat. I am not taking anybody's side. Neither BCCI nor Lorgat is completely in the light. But considering the history, repercussions were bound to happen sooner than later when dealing with Lorgat.

  • POSTED BY bharatputra83 on | October 9, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    To those who don't know why BCCI has a grudge against Lorgat :

    1) In 2009, India had submitted it's FTP to ICC which excluded Pakistan because of the recent 26/11 attacks. Lorgat refused to accept it,thus causing ripples.

    2) In the first 2 IPL season's, Lorgat kept insisting that BCCI use the much expensive Anticorruption and Security(ACS) of ICC despite BCCI refusing it.

    3) Lorgat insisted cricket should come under WADA (doping agency) but BCCI objected saying it needed a cricketer specific doping agency. WADA needs players to announce their whereabouts 3 months in advance and this came after SL team bus was attacked in Pakistan with rifles and rocket launchers.

    4) In 2011, Lorgat criticised BCCI for it's manner of ticket sales in 2001 world cup held in India, which exceeded his brief, it being an internal matter of BCCI and India.

    5) Lorgat insisted on DRS in WC2011 which BCCI is opposed to, and provoked BCCI further saying it was ICC WC, not BCCI WC.

    ...Contd...

  • POSTED BY Greatest_Game on | October 9, 2013, 15:24 GMT

    The truth is self-evident.

    The Supreme Court ruled against Srinivasan: IPL corruption will be re-investigated by the court. Srini stays OUT. Now, Patel & BCCI have to act: Srini is no longer responsible

    Talk about the tour itinerary is a coverup, a smokescreen. If the "itinerary concerns" were overworked players, why suddenly cram in a series before & after the SA tour? Clearly, it's NOT about players.

    If the itinerary is the problem, why refuse to discuss it with Lorgat? He was appointed AFTER the CSA announcement? Lorgat bears NO responsibility, but Nenzani DOES. The BCCI will talk with the man responsible for the announcement, & NOT the man who had nothing to do with it!

    Don't be fooled by this "itinerary" story. At issue is Srinivasan's feud with Lorgat. The Court ruled against Srini & the VERY NEXT DAY talks are on... but without Lorgat. Relations are resumed, but ONLY without Srinivasan & Lorgat. That is ALL we need to know!

    Cricinfo: please be fair & publish the truth

  • POSTED BY Greatest_Game on | October 9, 2013, 15:15 GMT

    @ Venkat_Gowrishankar asks "how different is BCCI from the old "Imperial cricket council"?. What goes round comes round. SImple!"

    Unfortunately Venkat, the BCCI is no different at all! And that sir, is the problem. The ills of the past do not justify arrogance and bigotry today. What was immoral then remains immoral now.

    If "what goes around, comes around," then Indian cricket will oct again experience the discrimination it previously suffered. Is that what the BCCI should be creating? A dark and uncertain future for Indian cricket? The BCCI is making no friends, and many enemies.Is this what Indian fans want?

  • POSTED BY wrenx on | October 9, 2013, 14:41 GMT

    Here's a handy translation: "We are a cricket team with obligations to play cricket against other cricket teams. Another cricket team decided to fulfil its obligations efficiently, so now I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram." Let's not pretend that the BCCI want this tour to go ahead at all - the gracious approach would have been to thank South Africa for being pro-active with organising the tour, to let them know if there were any scheduling conflicts, and agree a plan. Not to sit there playing the victim, due to the massive affront of being invited to tour another nation to do what you claim to: play circket

  • POSTED BY Hakuna on | October 9, 2013, 13:39 GMT

    I am an Indian and I find BCCI's behavior disgusting off late. Their approach towards IPL/ICL, Hawkeye and other issues has been downright myopic and self serving. They have no interest in Cricket's development.

    That said, the other boards have been too eager to roll over. If ENG, Aus and SA (and who ever else they can get in their corner) collectively chose not to play with India, BCCI's financial power will wilt faster than it will impact other boards. IPL will be reduced to domestic show and Indian crowds won't be filling up the stadiums to watch no name players.

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | October 9, 2013, 13:15 GMT

    Now that Mr. Srinivasan has been given the temporary permit to be the President of BCCI (while "IPL Fixing" is investigated by the 3 men panel), it is time to move forward. BCCI & Srinivasan should forget their differences with Mr. Lorgat and "move Forward" in positive spirit of co-operation. Before people attack integrity of "others", they should keep an eye on their own record. It is a Fact that there is not a single top executive in India or any where in the world who has NOT blundered & survived. This applies equally to Mr. Srinivasan or to Mr. Lorgat. Building bridges should be in the job definition of the chiefs of BCCI & CSA. It would have been an excellent gesture to invite Mr.Lorgat + CSA President to the itinerary finalisation meeting. Also it will be best to keep at least 3 Test matches in tact even at the expense of other matches (ODI's + T20) - reduced as time permits. Above all the main aim of these matches should be to promote goodwill between Nations thru' Cricket!

  • POSTED BY chotteguru on | October 9, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    True, the BCCI is behaving unprofessionally by picking who they want to talk to at CSA and not expectadly either. Though, there is still an opportunity for them to come up a with a credible schedule that shows that the team is prepared to take on a meaningful challenge against the best test team on their home ground. Anything else and the team will look like cowards.

  • POSTED BY ramli on | October 9, 2013, 13:07 GMT

    Why all this hullaballu? SA are not the only strong team in the world. India had drawn series with them. So, why can't they do it this time? If we can predict series results, then why play at all? WI are not pushovers! They gave such a close fight to India in India last time. Also, NZ is difficult proposition for any team in NZ. So, if there is no SA series, nothing is lost. There will be equally good competitive cricket assembled by BCCI. No cause for worry. If CSA wants to earn some money, let them come to the table.

  • POSTED BY ruester on | October 9, 2013, 13:01 GMT

    Roleplay, the problem at the moment lies solely with the BCCI. Remember CSA appointed Lograt as their Cheif Executive officer, it has nothing to do with the BCCI who another countries board appoints. Lets face it, the whole of the rest of the world would not choose Srinivisan to be anywhere near cricket administration, but we don't veto test series out of spite like India are doing. Also if you had not noticed IPL is not the pinnacle of cricket, it is twenty over thrash which unfortunately and to India's shame is seeped in match fixing and corruption. It can hardly be called cricket. When the BCCI and you realise that IPL in not the ultimate the sporting world will be a better place.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | October 9, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    As India are too afraid to play South Africa at Test Cricket, as we all know what the result would be, wouldn't the two boards be better off putting on a series that everyone wants to see? Four tests would be nice, even if the result would be 4-0 SA. How is it that the BCCI are allowed to do this and ultimately bring the ridicule and debate it naturally generates? Insular thinking it certainly looks like.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    Truly pathetic and childish behavior. Very much like US behaves around the political world these days...

    India is the new US of cricket, and is just making others realise the fact.. Unfortunately, these things do change very often unlike world politics, and some countries remember how they have been treated, and would probably want to return the favor. Hope India, where Cricket is religion is ready to accept that.

  • POSTED BY AllroundCricketFan on | October 9, 2013, 12:00 GMT

    As a cricket fan for donkey years, this is an abomination of the laws and nature of our sport. Please India and Indian fans - this is truly childish. Grow up and tell the world what Lorgat did for you to behave like this ?

  • POSTED BY malepas on | October 9, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    Utter nonsense and mockery of International cricket fans and game alike. The excuse Patel come up with is laughable considering they are arranging a WI tour in between. And then want to dictate who they would want to talk to from other country's board?? why should CSA not able to send its CEO who's job is to look after these affairs for the meeting. I think the ignorance of BCCI is hurting the cricket and its job of ICC to tame such reckless powers.

  • POSTED BY Cricketsasportnotproduct on | October 9, 2013, 11:38 GMT

    BCCI have made a mockery of this tour by using it's financial powers for reasons that are nothing to do with cricket. Being an Indian fan, I was looking forward to this tour since it was announced initially but after not anymore. Lorgat is chosen in a democratic way by CSA and BCCI should learn to respect that. There is no governance in BCCI and that's what drives this kind of organisational behaviour.

  • POSTED BY gsingh7 on | October 9, 2013, 11:35 GMT

    stop playing with india .let india restructure ipl into two tier system. i wonder if foreign players will leave their home countries being lured by ipl riches. let 70% of icc revenue go directly to bcci coffers. let india restructure their cricket like usa does for nba or nfl. as an indian i wud be happy if all world class cricketers form a line to be included into ipl sides. it will be a spectacle.

  • POSTED BY Kaballas on | October 9, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    Ah well at the end of the day who wants to watch predictable cricket in any case. India will not win in South Africa. Everybody knows they cannot win a test series in SA. No wonder they only want 2 test and rather replaces the rest with sitting ducks at home.

    If they carry on playing the nobodies in cricket at home maybe they will become number one in 4 years time..

    We should rather play Australia or England the giants of test cricket the purest and proper form.

    I can also guarantee you TV-rights etc would have sold form much more in a series between SA and India than India / West Indies & NZ.

    This bullying is childish. I will not watch when they come due to this. Time to move on .

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | October 9, 2013, 10:24 GMT

    Now the sensible thing is happening , that is attempt to form a tour program acceptable to both boards. Yes CSA made a mistake by announcing tour itinerary without consulting BCCI, but i fail to understand that why is it so hurting for BCCI that they threatened to cancel the tour itself,childish approach to be honest. Anyways hopefully we will see some solution now. About many posters writing here that since SA is No 1 they should not engage with BCCI at all and cancel the tour, well surely CSA can go ahead with that. If they are under the delusion that since they are no 1, they can announce tour itinerary by themselves and expect Indians to fall in line, then that is not going to happen. Neither India nor SA is doing any kind of favor to each other by playing this series. We dont depend on SA board just like they dont depend on us. NZ and ECB followed more democratic way of mutual understanding before announcing tour programs.

  • POSTED BY Roleplay on | October 9, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    I am BIG FAN of srinivasan .He is the real cricket lover right from the early days when he was not the part of BCCI conglomerate.He is the right man to take the take on the hard task masters who ruled the world cricket earlier in the days and never ever looked at Asian team with respect.What has England done to cricket except glamourized ASHES (FROG IN THE WELL THINKING) whereas BCCI brought back cricket on the world stage. CSA played clever politics thinking srini will not be selected in agm meeting but guess what srini is back and he is not a road side vendor who can be dethroned easily.I was happy to see lorgat put into his place when he was shouting out loud during icc chief and planning to start PCl league which was never came off.He is the sole reason for the rift between the two boards who had brilliant relationship from past two decades.Hoever i want to see Ind Sa series just to see where they stand in world cricket.

  • POSTED BY atique.sa on | October 9, 2013, 9:41 GMT

    Very very poor thinking of. BCCI. If players are not machines they should withdraw their participation from test cricket..that's the only solution MR patel.....CSA should not send any official without lorgat...

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 9:24 GMT

    BCCI already created sufficient proof to CSA that Lorgat's appointment was not welcomed by them. Now, the time has come for BCCI to move on since nothing will change and BCCI already voiced their displeasure in several ways. CSA has been supportive to BCCI since their return to Cricket and therefore further rubbing with CSA will deteriorate the relationship that was created in the last two decades. I am glad to note that at last BCCI has agreed for talks and am confident that this will be fruitful for both parties and the series will be on, which will be a boon for the spectators. I am looking forward to this tour and want to see Indian youngsters perform without their veteran stars in South African conditions.

  • POSTED BY Newlandsfaithful on | October 9, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    Seriously, I fail to see how anything Lorgat could have possibly done could warrent the sort of treatment he and CSA are recveiving from the BCCI. WHAT ON EARTH DID HE SUPPOSEDLY DO?????? The BCCI wont say and Lorgat is seemingly is unaware of the reasons the BCCI have taken such offence. How is the rest of the world supposed to interpret this behaviour as anything other than utter childishness?

  • POSTED BY TheCricketeer on | October 9, 2013, 9:11 GMT

    In any event - I think many South African fans have lost interest in seeing the Indians play - pity cus they have some great players. But if they come at all they should probably play all the matches in Durban because turnout everywhere else will be poor after this nonsense.

  • POSTED BY TheCricketeer on | October 9, 2013, 9:08 GMT

    The unilateral announcement of the itinery is nothing but an excuse. A number of articles have mentioned already that CSA have various emails where the itinery was discusses and agreed. The only thing they may not have is a formal signature. If HL was not appointed to CSA none of this would be happening and everyone knows that!

  • POSTED BY Roleplay on | October 9, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    For people who are saying stop playing against India just have a look at the financial health of the international cricket boards.India already pumps in 70% revenue for ICC still shameless people criticize BCCI .@blade runner check out your Sri lanka cricket board poorest in the world even when compared to Bangladesh that too after playing a lot with india just think if BCCI refuse to play at all with sri lanka you wont even have a team to comment for

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    If my South African friends commenting here seriously have probs with the BCCI and wants other Cricket Boards to Boycott Indias Tour.... Then would you please ask ur CSA to go ahead and cancel the whole ideamof hosting India.... Obvsly CSA wont.. Cos losses from a shortened tour will be R200 Million.. Imagine the financial hiding if the tour gets cancelled???

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    Keep T20 for only teams/leagues of each country like IPL/Big Bash etc. Any tour should involve only Tests.All ODI should be played as tri-series (or 4-team series) with one non-test playing nation included.

  • POSTED BY CricketMaan on | October 9, 2013, 8:21 GMT

    Haha..Mr.Patel, the only diff between this tour and the previous ones was that it had an additional T20 and 2 ODIs, that is all. if that was your concern, then you should hvae just asked to reduce them. But seriously, you saw that Sachin wanted to play 200th Test and what better than playing it at Mumbai with moolah raking!! He could have still played and you could have still gone ahead with SA tour with 1 T20, 5 ODIs and 3 Tests. But now at best i see 5 ODIs, 2 Tests and a possible T20!!

  • POSTED BY dhirenAnIndianFirst on | October 9, 2013, 7:50 GMT

    all d people blasting BCCI...use ur brains...West Indies is a home game...going to south africa for 4 test 7 ODI's and 3 T20's is a complete overkill...for all the wrong things tat bcci does i think it has done something right here...

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | October 9, 2013, 7:43 GMT

    The comments that come out of the BCCI camp are downright condescending to other nations. The 'I' from BCCI needs to get dropped ASAP.

    7 ODIs either in Ind or SA is mind numbing. 3 tests (min), 3 ODIs, 2 T20s. Follow this template please.

  • POSTED BY ReverseSweepIndia on | October 9, 2013, 7:35 GMT

    @Gavin Frantz on October 9, 2013, 5:14 GMT, few fans aside (on both sides) exactly the same sentiment is emanating from our side of supporters too. Board was supposed to take care of our cricketers and fans, instead they are just taking care of their own ego. But I think here BCCI is going to give some dressing down to CSA chief, perfectly make sense if they still consider themselves as friends and both boards indeed were pretty close and then Chris Nenzani giving BCCI some of its own medicine, both do away with their pent up frustration with each other, ofcourse in a closed room. And that is the only chance we fans can have a 3 test matches series, don't care how many ODIs or T20s. Though I think CSA will be more willing for ODI's & T20 because it will bring them more revenues.

  • POSTED BY sweetspot on | October 9, 2013, 7:34 GMT

    I'm really happy to see the BCCI not displaying any false modesty. If CSA actually went ahead and announced the itinerary without consulting the BCCI, it is a breach of protocol, and the BCCI has every reason to react negatively to that. Add to it the fact that there's a man in a position at CSA that the BCCI isn't exactly in love with, and the mixture becomes pretty combustible.

    It's not fun to see adults arguing over issues that don't really concern true cricket fans, but as more light is thrown on this tour issue, the BCCI is not the villain as far as I can see. Would it not be easy for the BCCI to simply pull out of this tour? They're not doing that, are they?

    As for calls to boycott tours of India, that's a holler and a hoot! If team India doesn't play any international cricket, the IPL will become an even bigger beast, that's all! Test cricket will die sooner than we can think of, and India's rule will become stronger. Who're we kidding here?

  • POSTED BY FAB_ALI on | October 9, 2013, 7:20 GMT

    Well, a bride's family cannot announce marriage schedule without consulting Groom's family. That's how it is!! If both boards had a meeting before the tour itinerary was announced, I don't see any problem which could have raised.

  • POSTED BY sray23 on | October 9, 2013, 7:18 GMT

    @Pandeyjii, even if CSA decided the tour unilaterally, the mature and professional response would have been to propose an alternate itinerary, call CSA, negotiate and solve the problem. (And maybe warn CSA that if they decide things unilaterally again, BCCI will not support). Not waste 6 weeks to organise a useless home WI series, pretend the series is for Tendulkar 200th test, plan another "possible" tri-series and THEN call CSA to the table...and all the time communicate nothing to the fans.

    Sir, people are not blaming BCCI for hitting your car, they are blaming because the BCCI has shown the maturity of a 12 yr old in this situation, maybe even a 10 yr old!

  • POSTED BY naren1983 on | October 9, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    Atlast a hope is invited now to fix SA tour. But hope is only for a minimum matches will be played like 2 tests, 3 odis & may be 1 T20. But we always love to see atleast 3 tests instead of Odis & T20 against SA. I want to make one point here, BCCI saying our boys are not machine to play 7 odis against SA, then how BCCI agreed to play 7 Odis against AUS, their only ego is schedule was released by SA without approval from India and like putting oil to fire, Lorgat appointment to SA.This should have been discussed internally before scheduling WI & NZ tours. BCCI thought of skipping this SA tour, but now ICC's force, BCCI is working to solve this issue.

  • POSTED BY subnys on | October 9, 2013, 6:59 GMT

    @Gavin Frantz: I totally agree with you.

    Even when the Indian national team is not playing. The Dhawans, Karthiks and Sharmas (who are more or less cemented in the National team) still sweat it out in the India A teams against AUS A, SA A and WI A; not to forget is the CLT20. So where is the 'rest' for the players? I feel these are all camouflaging statements to hide the real intentions.

  • POSTED BY Pandeyjii on | October 9, 2013, 6:58 GMT

    When you Anti-India critics say that BCCI is dominating everyone, then how can you explain that SA board declared the tour itinerary unilaterally (and this is a bilateral series, not an ICC event) . . . . . actually SA Board acted as if they are dictator and don't need the consensus with India and they were actually trying to plan India cricket calender to their whims and fancies . . . . . only because you critics hate India/BCCI, does not make this case to continuously blame the BCCI for everything . . . .

    and . . . . oh! I sorry, I forgot, I have to blame them too for Onion prices, dollar and all the problems, because I came to know that, just to look good (like angel) you have to always blame BCCI

    . . . . . JUST SOMEBODY HIT MY CAR AND GUESS WHO IT MUST BE . . . BCCI huh

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 6:38 GMT

    There's still enough time when India are in SA for 3 Tests and 3 ODIs or 4 Tests with ODIs and T20s to be played at a later date, similar to the Australian tour of India. This is what should happen. A minimum of 3 Tests. 2 Tests is not a series.

  • POSTED BY crick_sucks on | October 9, 2013, 5:55 GMT

    I know what will be the outcome of the talks, "get rid of HL and get yourself the full tour

  • POSTED BY muzika_tchaikovskogo on | October 9, 2013, 5:54 GMT

    I think the headline of this article is terribly inaccurate. Sorry folks, but BCCI is NOT India. We, the supporters of Indian cricket are extremely embarassed and angered by the BCCI's constant abuse of power. And all this talk of India being afraid of touring South Africa amuses me. How does one reconcile that 'fear' with the fact that the Indians are playing 9 tests in England and Australia next year? For the record: India lost 0-8 in those two countries and drew 1-1 in South Africa the last time they went touring.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 5:50 GMT

    Most of the comments I read above are borderline insane. The simple fact is a true cricket lover would have his mouth watering at the prospect of watching India Play SA in a 3 test series.. All else is secondary. The only thing that should matter is making this happen.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    "My boys are not machines, they need a break. Who are you (CSA) to tell them they should be on the road for more than three-four months?"

    This is a bit rich coming from the BCCI. How many meaningless ODI series have the BCCI arranged to fill every gap in the calender. Where was player fatigue then. The BCCI knew its commitment or atleast a gentlemans agreement with SA for the series later this year and yet went ahead and arranged a series with West Indies that is now sure to reduce (or even cancel) what should have been a marquee series between two top ranked test teams. Fair enough SA announced the series and dates without consulting the BCCI, but this could have been handled a lot better by both sides. It is unfortunate that there are so many politicians involved in the administration of cricket in India. The money and power attract politicians the same way that flies are attracted to fermented fruit (keeping it clean). And I don't see this changing anytime soon. My 2 cents worth.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 3:22 GMT

    "My boys are not machines, they need a break. Who are you (CSA) to tell them they should be on the road for more than three-four months?" So you wanted to rest your team by having back-to-back-to-back tours to West Indies, South Africa, and New Zealand. Uh, I make that 3-4 months of touring...

  • POSTED BY DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on | October 9, 2013, 3:00 GMT

    now india is no1 in odi format and playing extremely well in all places, so we should play 7 odi's ONLY against SA, and let the whole world to know that how good SA bowlers in ODI against no1 indian team. We all know SA team is chokers, and also including steyn SA seamers are not that good in odi. We should play to our strength.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 2:57 GMT

    I wanna see more odi and test in south africa not a short version tour if bcci wants short tour then they better should cancel the tour and play against bangladesh or kenya.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 2:22 GMT

    @Jordanmacmillan88:

    Very unhappy to hear that Cricket is losing its popularity in NZ. Most of the Indian cricket fans are fond of the very decent & friendly cricketers from WI and NZ. So, sad to hear this. (But, some relief, to read a few others indicating, that if there is good Cricket, crowds will come)

    I do hope, NZ prepares tough, greenish, fast, swinging pitches, when our boys from India tour. I was hoping, NZ tour will be the best chance for Indian players to hone their skills against fast and swinging balls. In that process, if India loses, I would be happier to lose against nice guys from NZ, than against OZ or ENG. Losing against SA also would have been OK. We were (and still are) fond of SA too; but for a few temperamental fans getting needlessly swayed by the shenanigans of Administrators on both sides.

    Many in India also feel that the current Indian team are better fighters, and will not be surprised, if they fare well in SA, NZ, OZ, or even murky wet dull Englan

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 2:20 GMT

    Its about time the big countries South Africa , Australia , England and Srilanka get together and boycott touring India.. We will see the impact of it immediately.

  • POSTED BY Stateside_Steve on | October 9, 2013, 2:02 GMT

    @Aniruddha singh, You forgot about Sri Lanka. They have 3 international grounds and the travel would be lot easier than in India.

  • POSTED BY Stateside_Steve on | October 9, 2013, 1:54 GMT

    First the SA and other neutral observer's empty bravado should stop. India isn't afraid of SA and Indian fans in general are not delusional to expect a series victory in SA and a whitewash wouldn't surprise most of us. Second where is this accusation of BCCI is coming from? Where is the source or who in BCCI explicitly conveyed to CSA not to appoint Lograt? It is all speculation and I haven't seen anything concrete. BCCI is well within its right to say that they won't have a good working relationship with Lograt. This is solely based on their previous experience with Lograt. On the other hand Lograt is not all that clean cut himself. It is dubious of him to get a letter of recommendation from Bindra and in turn play politics in the appointment process. I have said this time and again, CSA was a little selfish to parade the Indian team across SA for 21/2 months and to milk that cash cow dry. It is what they call as "being used" and it doesn't sit well if you are the one being used.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 1:30 GMT

    Power is the same with everybody. Remember the days when MCC ran Cricket. Nobody had qualms about accepting its dictatorship. Why dont the nations which feel strained by India's power block India? They can not. If India has to be humble and mot act as per its perceived power,it will be India's loss.And loss to cricket too. Cricketers around the world lead comfortable life todat because of BCCI and not because of their boards.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | October 9, 2013, 1:21 GMT

    @Venkat_Gowrishankar on (October 8, 2013, 20:34 GMT), have you ever heard the expression "two wrongs don't make a right"? If mistakes were made in the past then surely the aim should be to avoid making the same mistakes again, not trying to emulate them in order to extract some sort of revenge.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 0:52 GMT

    @ Blade-Runner on (October 8, 2013, 18:50 GMT) ; You said:

    "... India is in a no position to tell CSA who they should elect as their chief..." How many people has said this and how may times. How many times many responded saying that; "Yes India has no right; but they have the right whom they invite home and whom they would not like to invite"

    Now, even when the President of BCCI invites the President of CSA, (Lorgat is not the president), that is also being criticised. If you don't like someone, any stick is good enough to beat him with. You deem to have shifted your business from 'Blade-running' to India Bashing. Not even BCCI Bashing. Or, Srini Bashing. Can't you spend your energies to help your own Board professionalize.

  • POSTED BY on | October 9, 2013, 0:44 GMT

    @Posted by Aniruddha Singh on (October 8, 2013, 20:38 GMT)

    They could try Afghanistan, Baluchistan, Kazakhstan?

    Or, at a slightly (only slightly) more serious level, Singapore-Malaysia peninsula. Both are keen to develop Cricket it trier countries, and both have decent stadiums. Geographically, Indonesia also could have been added, due to proximity; but they haven't shown much interest in Cricket so far.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 23:52 GMT

    i just dont get it..its soo easy to see what bcci is doing..we all love cricket..look at this T20 championship...how can they call it championship?when there is no team from all other country's. its shamefull to see this rubish what india is giving us...and CSA is the best team in the world right now, they shouldnt care what bcci says or think..

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 23:33 GMT

    == This is BCCI's Logic ==> --- (it's called the 'Forked Tongue Principle') --- :}

    Patel says "My boys are not machines, they need a break." {fork 1}

    That's why Indian BCCI arranged a NZ and WI tour {after} the SA schedule was known {fork 2} ........... in order to sandwich the SA tour. They knew !.... the BCCI knew of the SA Tour but acted as if it did not know.

    The SA president (Mr Nenzani) is now walking into the same BCCI ambush that the NZ and WI board are locked into.

  • POSTED BY desi1 on | October 8, 2013, 23:13 GMT

    There is no need to bash BCCI about this, they are not happy about Lorgat so they dont want to go ahead and tour SA as per the itinerary produced by SA, what is wrong in it. BCCI is not forcing other nations to turn against SA. FTP is not binding on any nation and it is a mutual agreement, so there is not even anything like bending rules here, BCCI is governed by people and if they dont like some actions of SA then they are bound to react, BCCI can not act like a saint here. For people arguing BCCI can not interfere in other boards matters then it is not, it is just indicating that it will not be able to maintain the relations like before with this SA management, which BCCI is entitled to do, how difficult is it for everyone to understand, The tour will be on with reduced number of matches, which is playing by the rules of ICC.Why was SA banned from cricket because of their leadership, similarly BCCI does not like their present leadership and does not see need for any favors.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    I couldn't agree more with Mr. Shubham Dubey. BCCI should be ashamed of itself. They should remember we were a colonized peoiple, behaving EXACTLY the erstwhile British behaved toward us. Shame, shame, shame on BCCI!

  • POSTED BY ImpartialExpert on | October 8, 2013, 22:34 GMT

    All of you guys who are saying things like 'Why should all other teams put up up with India doing as they want' etc.. should replace India with BCCI in your comments. Or even better BCCI with Srinivasan. BCCI is being run by arrogant officials at the moment. We Indians and fans of Indian cricket mostly accept while there are some blind supporters. But tell us what we can do about it? We do not have any say in the elections. Nor did anybody except Srinivasan for that matter. There is no way I am stopping watching cricket because I do not like BCCI's way of doing things. So I just ignore BCCI and try to watch cricket and enjoy.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 22:32 GMT

    I believe the market that cricket is, every board can plan their moves and get max benefit. Then why daggers drawn if India does it in this era. In past, there were few who wanted to play India. They could chop off Indian itenerary to accomodate others. Now is India's turn, and its plain logic that India can have it's way wherever possible, and why not. When India's time will be up, there will be others and thats how market operates. By the way, any idea, why everyone looks to play India, and why India should not choose and plan their moves.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | October 8, 2013, 22:23 GMT

    @Shubham Dubey: so if England, Australia, WI, SA, NZ, SL, Pak, Zim and Bd all told the BCCI who they didn't want to see the BBCI appoint and each happened to choose a different person, the BCCI would agree not to appoint those 9 people? I don't think so.

    Telling another country who they should not select is interfering with that country's internal affairs, it's not acceptable and that's all there is to it.

  • POSTED BY 2nd_Slip on | October 8, 2013, 22:06 GMT

    Wow BCCI are really pathetic and full of themselves.

  • POSTED BY PratUSA on | October 8, 2013, 21:57 GMT

    There is no character in BCCI officials. Where is the statesmanship? Granted you didn't like their CEO. Granted they should have consulted you before announcing tour fixtures. But what's the fault of fans and cricketers? Why should fans suffer? Don't they have right to know the program well in advance so they can make their travel plans if any? What's the fault of game of cricket itself? BCCI's actions in this matter are shameful but it's only Indians (not all of course as some comments are suggesting) who will feel this shame and not the BCCI management. Disgraceful.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 21:40 GMT

    Money sounds louder than words.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 21:13 GMT

    @ Jose Puliampatta on (October 8, 2013, 14:33 GMT)

    You are appealing to both!! Patel had officially briefed to Press few days back that BCCI was waiting, CSA in response told ESPNcricinfo not to comment, now Patel again had formally invited Mr Nenzani to come down to India and discuss the nitty-gritty of the series and in response to that CSA spokesman told ESPNcricinfo they had only just seen Patel's statement and would revert with more information. Do I need to say any more?

    CSA fans either have lost interest in tour or feel the whole tour a joke. Some feel dictated by BCCI or Some say a spoof.

    But still you like other Indians feel in good gesture, talks, actions and many positives. You really display belief & believe in others irrespective of a lot taunts, hater-ism and bashing.

    A PIECE!! A true Indian quality.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    @Shubham Dubey: It would have been fine had BCCI just kept their role to "who they'd like to see as their chief". However, by jeopardizing the series they have extended their role to a bit more. They're trying to impose their wish on another board. This is, first of all, disrespectful to other boards. Imagine if any big nation refused to tour India because of who BCCI elected as its Chief. It would be ridiculed to say the least, and talked about 24/7 in Indian media. I am an Indian, and BCCI has been pushing other boards too hard to always get their way. We don't need this crap, especially, with the team that we have now. At the end of the day, its about politics, and possibly about ensuring that BCCI can milk Sachins last few tests to the max by keeping matches local. Indian team has only lost respect due to this fiasco, as people are starting to question the teams calibre, and why wouldn't they? This is pathetic.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    @Atholl The IPL7 and Elections in 2014 situation is exactly what I was thinking about too. Who will India turn to this time around?

    Australia would be ruled out due to time difference, SA due to current situation and tiff with ECB is well documented.

  • POSTED BY Venkat_Gowrishankar on | October 8, 2013, 20:34 GMT

    To all the People who are bashing the BCCI , I would like to ask only one question, how different is BCCI from the old "Imperial cricket council"?. What goes round comes round. SImple!

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 20:12 GMT

    Why should all other teams put up up with India doing as they want, now they going to play WI and NZ to try to get back to top of rankings. No disrespect to these sides, but they not amongst best at moment.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | October 8, 2013, 20:10 GMT

    I don't care what BCCI thinks or what CSA thinks this is matter what cricket lovers think. We want to see two big power groups clash on field not in media. Who is right or who is wrong doesn't matter what matters is IND vs SA. For me both boards are wrong no one making any efforts to make it happen. Come on guys get this mess solved and show we cricket lovers what we want.

  • POSTED BY Sheikasif on | October 8, 2013, 19:59 GMT

    Despite common views from outsiders commenting here, we the SA and Indian fans would like to see the series go ahead. Its big of India to have invitied SA for talks. Haroon Lorgat is no CSA.He is but just one man. Hope CSA president can go and amicably resolve the problem so that we can see the best two teams in world cricket in action. CSA needs to break out of their shell and move on for talks. BCCI should ensure that reasonable tests matches rather than ODI and T20 are part of the series.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 19:39 GMT

    While I agree that the first CSA itinerary for India's tour was excessive with meaningless ODIs, this comment by BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel sounds all the amusing in light the 2-Test 3-ODI series with West Indies and a 2-Test 5-ODI tour of New Zealand that they 'added' onto their schedule. Oh wait, there are 7 meaningless ODIs with Australia too.

    "My boys are not machines, they need a break. Who are you (CSA) to tell them they should be on the road for more than three-four months?"

    I guess the BCCI can only count numbers when they are preceded by a $ sign.

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | October 8, 2013, 19:39 GMT

    Some people here are simply there to criticize and hate on the BCCI when they have NO CLUE about what's really going on. Both CSA and BCCI are equally at fault here. First, CSA should be ashamed of themselves for bringing this entire matter to disrepute by breaching the bilateral agreement pertaining to scheduling of the itinerary by manipulating it without the consent of the BCCI. Secondly, they failed to even apologize to the BCCI and went one step ahead by letting their players to speak openly about their discontent. The BCCI too are at fault here for failing yet again to properly handle this entire affair quietly. They have proven that they are poor at schedule and logistics management by delaying this all important tour to the point where cricket lovers from both countries don't even have the slightest idea as to whether the tour is on or not. This is disgraceful to the game and is a slap on the faces of cricket supporters from both countries.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 19:35 GMT

    @blade-runner: They haven't. They have just said who they wouldn't like to see as their chief. And if CSA doesn't like to entertain BCCI's interests, there will be consequences and that's what is happening. I just don't understand why South Africans fail to understand this simple logic. Almost every South African just keeps blabbing the same thing that who is BCCI to decide; they haven't forced

  • POSTED BY Blade-Runner on | October 8, 2013, 18:50 GMT

    @Neal_88 ; I completely agree with you. But its India that don't deserve to play against the no. 1 test team in the world. Its India that don't respect other boards and try to interfere with internal affairs. India is in a no position to tell CSA who they should elect as their chief.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 18:34 GMT

    There is bit of arogance at display, BCCI shouldn't treat other boards with disrespect.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 18:12 GMT

    This issue is all about India scared to tour SA....Sachin would fail in all innings can't handle the pace

  • POSTED BY rogues13 on | October 8, 2013, 18:11 GMT

    Its really funny that people come here and say, "They have lost interest" since someone who has really lost interest wont be even "interested" in commenting about the tour, or following the series related news.....

  • POSTED BY Neal_88 on | October 8, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    I say call of the tour. CSA doesn't deserve to play india as it has no respect for india and its players. If u can't respect the interest of the players and other boards and only think about how much money you can earn you don't desrve to play india infact any other country because you are just playing for your selfish interest and not for the spirit of the game.

  • POSTED BY samincolumbia on | October 8, 2013, 17:44 GMT

    Questions - Why did Lorgat announce the schedule without consulting BCCI? Did Lorgat ever offered an explanation? Clearly Lorgat was trying to put BCCI in a corner and belittle them. And now cricket has to suffer unfortunately. As for all those righteous folks here, I highly doubt that your respective boards would have agreed in similar circumstance, IF they had a backbone. So, please no speeches in integrity, honesty blah blah.

  • POSTED BY LillianThomson on | October 8, 2013, 17:35 GMT

    @jordanmcmillan88, did you fail to notice that Day 5 of the Third Test NZ v England this year broke all TV viewing records for cricket in New Zealand, in spite of conflicting with work and school hours.

    And I attended the Second Test at the Basin Reserve, which was sold out. It's appalling that NZ Cricket was misled by the BCCI into hosting India when they were due to be in South Africa, and I'm deeply ashamed that we have been put in this position and that NZ Cricket failed to do the due diligence to realise what was going on.

    But at least the success of the England tour taught NZ Cricket that they can make money even without India.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | October 8, 2013, 17:25 GMT

    The fact that BCCI doesn't have the courage to face a strong South African test team comes into play. They just don't wanna lose their ranking to some other team

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 17:20 GMT

    This is --subordination-- of the lowest form.

    SA are the N° test team .... they have ... the N° 1 Captain, Alrounder, Fast Bowler .etc. IF the BCCI are not prepared to communicate with the the N° 1 Cricket administrator who acts for the interests of ALL the N° 1's then I can't see why South Africa should negotiating or be playing with a 3rd rate Cricket administration.

    The South Africa president, Chris Nenzani, should have refused to play the Indian game of acting as the CEO.

    Alternatively the CSA Board should call a meeting to remove the South Africa president, Chris Nenzani for Insubordination.

    === How soon will the tables turn ?===

    India have 'Another' election coming up next year (2014) , so if the 'indian security situation' demands that the IPL be moved to say South Africa .... who will the IPL deal with ... the same CEO that the BCCI refuse to talk to ??.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 17:14 GMT

    next thing india going to do ask ( i mean demand) CSA to produce piches suitable to india otherwise no SA players in next IPL

  • POSTED BY MrGarreth on | October 8, 2013, 17:10 GMT

    This is getting very petty and immature. Regardless of what the CSA had done or hasn't done, the way the BCCI has handled the situation is the way a 4th Grade child would. BCCI would do well to remember that with great power comes great responsibility.

  • POSTED BY Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on | October 8, 2013, 17:04 GMT

    Well you know what kind of attitude you are dealing with when you have a senior member of the BCCI refer to Indian cricketers as 'his boys.'What next for Mr.Sanjay Patel,taking over as India's coach?At least then he would have earned the right to call Indian players 'his boys.'The CSA may have breached established protocol,but BCCI's handling of the issue has been without a shadow of doubt churlish.Cricket administrators from both sides have displayed ineptness and inefficiency in plenty as a simple enough problem has been allowed to fester.Its time to get off the high horses and resolve issues amicably.Though a conciliatory attitude has been in short supply from the top brass of the two boards,I hope and pray that there are enough sensible heads in the administration of the two countries who realize that its the image of the sport that has been hurt in this battle of egos,and patch things together so that we can all witness a riveting series.

  • POSTED BY calcu on | October 8, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    @jordanmacmillian98. "cricket has lost lot of support among kiwis" But in the final day of the thrilling test at auckland between England and new zeland, the TRP ratings broke the NZ national record. An estimated one third of NZ's population were watching the test!!

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    Do not worry - Test Matches also will be like one dayers - against Styne and Co. this inexperienced Indian test batsmen cannot bat beyond 50 overs - Do not forget Indian bowling is very weak to make any sense against SA batsmen

  • POSTED BY mzm149 on | October 8, 2013, 16:47 GMT

    I can't wait to watch India undergoing another whitewash. It will be fun to watch Indian medium pacers toiling whole day in front of Amla, Kallis and de Villiers. The best part would be when so called batting legends will become bunnies of Steyn, Morkel and Philander.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    I would like to ask only one question to BCCI . If your boys are not machines and if they need a break , why was ipl scheduled just a week after 2011 World Cup ? Your boys were playing non stop cricket for 4 months that time too . It was the major reason for India's 4-0 whitewash in england . And that's where India's downfall in Tests started .

  • POSTED BY SimonTHFC on | October 8, 2013, 16:31 GMT

    India running scared once again. How long until we see excuses for them not to play tests against NZ? I'm sure they are working out already how not to come to England and play 5 tests!! They know how badly they will suffer here! Come on India, stand up, be the team we know you can be once you sort out the ridiculous and childish bickering, get the circus that Sachin has become out of the way and get back to playing cricket!!

  • POSTED BY web_guru2003 on | October 8, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    "My boys are not machines, they need a break" ....seriously?

    I was looking forward to this series but I guess I have had enough. BCCI is acting like my little brother who always threatened to disrupt the game by taking away his cricket bat if he is not given 2 battings....

  • POSTED BY Ben2014 on | October 8, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    I hope this tour gets going even if it is shortened. For those who have lost interest in this tour, please get out of the way and enjoy cricket elsewhere. I would love to see SA and India playing test matches.

  • POSTED BY ThyrSaadam on | October 8, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    Time for a board to stand up for itself, and not bow down to the BCCI. CSA should insists that they also have "their" due process and cannot decide on a series without the involvement of CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat. This is the example of Indian politics, and time to nip it off.... How i wish all the other board could stand for themselves, and not cave in, no international players,no no-objection certificates, no ipl, and then the bcci will feel pressure.... Its about time to stand up in the interest of the game.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 16:13 GMT

    Well there goes any pretence that this was actually about "tour announcement protocol issues", and is entirely about BCCI's dislike of Lorgat.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:56 GMT

    Posted by SurlyCynic on (October 8, 2013, 14:47 GMT);

    What is wrong with a President inviting another President. No protocol or sentiments are broken Now, when the wheels have gradually started turning, don't put spokes into the moving wheels. You want to stoke up fresh controversies, or want to see some decent cricket happening? Please be a sport. For Cricket's sake!

  • POSTED BY JasonWoodsworth on | October 8, 2013, 15:56 GMT

    jose. mate, i am from nz. when india came to nz during the 2002-2003 series, the pitches were different. hence, they really struggled and did poorly. but when they returned years later nz prepared flatter pitches to accommodate the team. it was easier for batting and it didn't help the swing bowlers much. same type of pitch will be prepared once again. anyway, cricket has lost lot of support among kiwis. not many people follow the game like they do with nrl and rugby union. it was big during the 90's.

  • POSTED BY Tjoeps on | October 8, 2013, 15:52 GMT

    As a Saffer I have lost all interest in this tour, I feel very sorry for our lads but to be held at ransom by the BCCI does not sit well by me, I would be happy to play Zim or Ireland even Afghanistan for that matter, but this circus has gone on for too long.... Luckily I have an Ashes tour down under to get my Test cricket fix, with the help of CricInfo I would be 'there' for every ball bowled! All the best against Pakistan guys!

  • POSTED BY RichardW on | October 8, 2013, 15:49 GMT

    Is this a spoof? Or is this really happening?

  • POSTED BY Wacky_Cric_Lover on | October 8, 2013, 15:47 GMT

    india is the super power of cricket now and i m afraid they are not acting with responsibility. I hope soon they will realise that they should be a good example for rest of the world. This whole tour has become a joke now.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:40 GMT

    CSA and Haroon Lorgat specially have shown no interest in solving this mess, Good to see that BCCI is taking steps to solve this issue.

  • POSTED BY Confucius on | October 8, 2013, 15:36 GMT

    How dare the BCCI prescribe to CSA who they should/should not appoint in their organisation. It has nothing whatsoever to do with a foreign board. If you lot are that childish and immature that you cannot deal with disagreements in an adult manner then perhaps you should step aside yourselves and allow professionals to manage your organisation. If you are trying to "teach CSA a lesson" then as a paying member of the cricket public I suggest you go and play against WI, SL, Nepal, Patagonia or whoever until you can grow up!

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    BCCI surely is miffed at Lorgat's appointment. But I feel CSA announcing the dates without consulting BCCI is the major reason for all the confusion. The series surely is going to get shortened. Let's juts hope it gets trimmed in such a way that test matches are given priority. Bored of this ODIs. SA vs Ind test match will be the real thing in the interest of the sport.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:14 GMT

    So let me guess, this is about playing (or not) a test in Durban? SA doesn't want to, as there are grounds with more fan support (for SA) and better pitch (for SA), but India does.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    @Rohit... on (October 8, 2013, 14:21 GMT).

    Lorgat, or no Lorgat wouldn't make any difference to THIS particular tour. Both sides have to work within the remaining available window.

    Though for the wrong reasons, it turned out to be the right sequence for the new /young / bold Indian team.

    First 'prototype test' in their own incubator against the WI. And weed out the selection errors, if any. Then go through the real baptism, in and against South Africa. Then go to the "green meadows" of NewZealand, where he ball moves & swings even faster than in South Africa. After these three stage filtration process, we would be able to figure out: Who are the men? And, who are the boys? Despite all the hype about 'our brave new world'!

    By then, India would be ready to go to the place where it got washed out totally, the last time around. In fact, England has become even stronger in the interim. And we will all be able to watch a real good 5-match Test contest, mostly in wet and dull conditions

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:07 GMT

    @Rohit... SL hasn't been invited yet. The tri-series is still a backup. WI, though, would be another problem since the fixtures have already been set.

  • POSTED BY cnksnk on | October 8, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    For all the Srini bashing, we will now see that what is good for cricket will be done. My gut feel is that they will have 2 tests, 3 odi and 2 T20's with a couple of 3 day practice matches. I would personally like to see 4 test matches and Odi and T 20 can be done at a later date. I hope both parties do not make the Boxng day test match vs ODI as an issue and sorts out the issue to make it a win win for all

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    There we have it. The BCCI came out and admitted that they wanted to dictate to CSA who to elect. This is a disgrace to the game of cricket.

  • POSTED BY Just_love_it on | October 8, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    Thanks for showing some sanity. India /BCCI is currently worlds epicenter with great power but they need to keep in mind that with great power comes great responsibilty too !

  • POSTED BY SurlyCynic on | October 8, 2013, 14:47 GMT

    So now they're saying who SA can send for negotiations? Come on, this behaviour is becoming a bit silly now. Administrators should be thinking of the good of the game, and the fans, and not their personality clashes.

    This is just sad as there are only a few top test nations and we need them to play quality tests against each other.... or eventually there will only be the Ashes left.

  • POSTED BY Thomas_Ratnam on | October 8, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    Looks like a favourable beginning. Let's hope...

  • POSTED BY Ben2014 on | October 8, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    Finally, some action. Hope the India's tour will be a "go" and I believe it is. They should sort out Lorgat issue on the side lines. I believe BCCI is hurt by Lorgat so it is only understandable that they are refusing to deal with him. But Chris Nenzani is a good man. He can handle this successfully.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    This news appeared, after I posted appeals to M/s Srinivasan, Lorgat & Patel, to make a move to finalise the tour, in response to the news story on the Supreme Court allowing Srini to perform as President. At last........, some action! The sentiments I expressed there; I am not repeating here. It is time for action; not just words; for you officials on both sides.

  • POSTED BY Rohit... on | October 8, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    What will happen if CSA now asks for Lorgat resignation??? Will BCCI ask the WI and SL touring teams to return to their country???

  • POSTED BY Rohit... on | October 8, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    What will happen if CSA now asks for Lorgat resignation??? Will BCCI ask the WI and SL touring teams to return to their country???

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    This news appeared, after I posted appeals to M/s Srinivasan, Lorgat & Patel, to make a move to finalise the tour, in response to the news story on the Supreme Court allowing Srini to perform as President. At last........, some action! The sentiments I expressed there; I am not repeating here. It is time for action; not just words; for you officials on both sides.

  • POSTED BY Ben2014 on | October 8, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    Finally, some action. Hope the India's tour will be a "go" and I believe it is. They should sort out Lorgat issue on the side lines. I believe BCCI is hurt by Lorgat so it is only understandable that they are refusing to deal with him. But Chris Nenzani is a good man. He can handle this successfully.

  • POSTED BY Thomas_Ratnam on | October 8, 2013, 14:45 GMT

    Looks like a favourable beginning. Let's hope...

  • POSTED BY SurlyCynic on | October 8, 2013, 14:47 GMT

    So now they're saying who SA can send for negotiations? Come on, this behaviour is becoming a bit silly now. Administrators should be thinking of the good of the game, and the fans, and not their personality clashes.

    This is just sad as there are only a few top test nations and we need them to play quality tests against each other.... or eventually there will only be the Ashes left.

  • POSTED BY Just_love_it on | October 8, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    Thanks for showing some sanity. India /BCCI is currently worlds epicenter with great power but they need to keep in mind that with great power comes great responsibilty too !

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:00 GMT

    There we have it. The BCCI came out and admitted that they wanted to dictate to CSA who to elect. This is a disgrace to the game of cricket.

  • POSTED BY cnksnk on | October 8, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    For all the Srini bashing, we will now see that what is good for cricket will be done. My gut feel is that they will have 2 tests, 3 odi and 2 T20's with a couple of 3 day practice matches. I would personally like to see 4 test matches and Odi and T 20 can be done at a later date. I hope both parties do not make the Boxng day test match vs ODI as an issue and sorts out the issue to make it a win win for all

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:07 GMT

    @Rohit... SL hasn't been invited yet. The tri-series is still a backup. WI, though, would be another problem since the fixtures have already been set.

  • POSTED BY on | October 8, 2013, 15:09 GMT

    @Rohit... on (October 8, 2013, 14:21 GMT).

    Lorgat, or no Lorgat wouldn't make any difference to THIS particular tour. Both sides have to work within the remaining available window.

    Though for the wrong reasons, it turned out to be the right sequence for the new /young / bold Indian team.

    First 'prototype test' in their own incubator against the WI. And weed out the selection errors, if any. Then go through the real baptism, in and against South Africa. Then go to the "green meadows" of NewZealand, where he ball moves & swings even faster than in South Africa. After these three stage filtration process, we would be able to figure out: Who are the men? And, who are the boys? Despite all the hype about 'our brave new world'!

    By then, India would be ready to go to the place where it got washed out totally, the last time around. In fact, England has become even stronger in the interim. And we will all be able to watch a real good 5-match Test contest, mostly in wet and dull conditions