India in South Africa 2013-14 October 9, 2013

CSA chief to meet with BCCI on Friday

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Cricket South Africa (CSA) president Chris Nenzani is set to meet top BCCI officials in Mumbai on Friday in a bid to break the deadlock over India's tour to South Africa. ESPNcricinfo understands that Nenzani, who was formally invited for a meeting by BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel on Tuesday, has not only accepted the invitation but also confirmed the date of the meeting after discussing the issue with Patel.

CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat, whose appointment resulted in a tiff between the two bodies, was not invited for the meeting, and is unlikely to fly down to Mumbai for the meeting.

Patel, who was in Rajkot on Wednesday to attend the unveiling of the Indian team's new limited-overs jersey, is likely to arrive in Mumbai on Thursday. BCCI chief N Srinivasan, who was recently permitted by India's Supreme Court to take charge as board president, will also attend the meeting.

Nenzani will skip CSA's annual general meeting, to be held in Johannesburg on Saturday morning. However, given that the boards may find a solution to the impasse over India's tour, stakeholders in South African cricket, who have been demanding the fixtures to be sorted out at the earliest, are unlikely to question their chief's absence from the AGM.

India's schedules for the home series against West Indies, which didn't feature in the FTP until it was announced, and the tour to New Zealand have already been announced. The BCCI is likely to offer CSA two Tests and three ODIs - the minimum requirement of a full tour according to ICC guidelines - instead of an earlier released schedule of two T20s, seven ODIs and three Tests. It remains to be seen whether the BCCI agrees to add any more international games to the fixtures, thus helping CSA recover a part of revenue losses in case of a shortened tour.

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Donsshaddow on October 10, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    Let us all just hope that both CSA and BCCI sort out their differences in this meeting. The interest of players and fans, from both countries, should be kept in mind when deciding the schedule of the tour. Cricket is a sport played by just a small group of countries and disagreements between cricket boards will not help the sport grow in any way.

  • cnksnk on October 11, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    So when is this meeting. TodAy is friday and we are close to dinner time. Have not seen any announcementz till now. Unless it is a dinner meeting or are there areas of dis agreement that is holding up an announcement.

  • on October 11, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    @anshu.s it is quite obvious that you do not really know much about South Africa. Cricket is supported everywhere in SA but because most of SA falls in a summer rainfall area the chances of rain at a test match is quite good. That is one reason why some venues are not full during tests. The other reason is that most people in SA go on holiday during December/January. They normally travel to the coast. This would include Cape Town and Durban. Durban get a lot of thunder storms during the summer so cricket is not guaranteed. Cape Town falls in a Mediterranean climate area so they have dry summers and wet winters. So taking the weather and the amount of tourist on holiday during the new year test into consideration then you would understand why Newlands is always packed for test matches. The SABC does not have any money to be able to show sports like cricket or rugby.

  • AamanSomani on October 11, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    I suppose that between 2 November and 21 November two tests can be played between India and West Indies but there is no need of three ODI's. And the New Zealand tour should be delayed a week. So everything depends on the discussion between BCCI and CSA.

  • rjansen on October 10, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta I thought it was after the SA series - indeed, then I was wrong, Tendulkar playing at home doesn't mean for sure reduced tests in SA. Although it is pretty likely! In any case I'm still not very happy with how the BCCI handled the whole thing though!

  • on October 10, 2013, 13:26 GMT

    @Posted by rjansen on (October 10, 2013, 12:25 GMT):

    Why are you (and a few others) forgetting that India will be playing TWO tests against WI, within India, BEFORE touring SA? He may get his farewell Test either at Eden Gardens or Wankhede!

  • SurlyCynic on October 10, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    Jose Puliampatta : It wasn't a 'unilateral' announcement, CSA have emails from the BCCI confirming the tour dates but they changed their minds when Lorgat was appointed and decided to punish CSA.

  • rjansen on October 10, 2013, 12:25 GMT

    Tendulkar says his 200th test will be on home soil. Since he is on 198, I guess either he does not play all games in SA, or the BCCI has already decided there will be 1 or 0 tests in SA. They have had an agenda all along.

  • JustIPL on October 10, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    BCCI should also realize that WI are also surging and are certainly better than the side they were when India faced them before English whitewash which gave rise to Aussie whitewash and now Proteas whitewash is glaring. WI can give india tough gime in their own backyard WI are becoming stronger and stronger.

  • on October 10, 2013, 11:34 GMT

    @anshu.s: You are right. In the unilateral, earlier announcement of CSA; there were 7 (SEVEN) ODIs -- the MOST money making format. More so, when India is touring.

    The old saying that "Everyone loves Money, Honey !" seems to be correct.

  • Donsshaddow on October 10, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    Let us all just hope that both CSA and BCCI sort out their differences in this meeting. The interest of players and fans, from both countries, should be kept in mind when deciding the schedule of the tour. Cricket is a sport played by just a small group of countries and disagreements between cricket boards will not help the sport grow in any way.

  • cnksnk on October 11, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    So when is this meeting. TodAy is friday and we are close to dinner time. Have not seen any announcementz till now. Unless it is a dinner meeting or are there areas of dis agreement that is holding up an announcement.

  • on October 11, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    @anshu.s it is quite obvious that you do not really know much about South Africa. Cricket is supported everywhere in SA but because most of SA falls in a summer rainfall area the chances of rain at a test match is quite good. That is one reason why some venues are not full during tests. The other reason is that most people in SA go on holiday during December/January. They normally travel to the coast. This would include Cape Town and Durban. Durban get a lot of thunder storms during the summer so cricket is not guaranteed. Cape Town falls in a Mediterranean climate area so they have dry summers and wet winters. So taking the weather and the amount of tourist on holiday during the new year test into consideration then you would understand why Newlands is always packed for test matches. The SABC does not have any money to be able to show sports like cricket or rugby.

  • AamanSomani on October 11, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    I suppose that between 2 November and 21 November two tests can be played between India and West Indies but there is no need of three ODI's. And the New Zealand tour should be delayed a week. So everything depends on the discussion between BCCI and CSA.

  • rjansen on October 10, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta I thought it was after the SA series - indeed, then I was wrong, Tendulkar playing at home doesn't mean for sure reduced tests in SA. Although it is pretty likely! In any case I'm still not very happy with how the BCCI handled the whole thing though!

  • on October 10, 2013, 13:26 GMT

    @Posted by rjansen on (October 10, 2013, 12:25 GMT):

    Why are you (and a few others) forgetting that India will be playing TWO tests against WI, within India, BEFORE touring SA? He may get his farewell Test either at Eden Gardens or Wankhede!

  • SurlyCynic on October 10, 2013, 13:13 GMT

    Jose Puliampatta : It wasn't a 'unilateral' announcement, CSA have emails from the BCCI confirming the tour dates but they changed their minds when Lorgat was appointed and decided to punish CSA.

  • rjansen on October 10, 2013, 12:25 GMT

    Tendulkar says his 200th test will be on home soil. Since he is on 198, I guess either he does not play all games in SA, or the BCCI has already decided there will be 1 or 0 tests in SA. They have had an agenda all along.

  • JustIPL on October 10, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    BCCI should also realize that WI are also surging and are certainly better than the side they were when India faced them before English whitewash which gave rise to Aussie whitewash and now Proteas whitewash is glaring. WI can give india tough gime in their own backyard WI are becoming stronger and stronger.

  • on October 10, 2013, 11:34 GMT

    @anshu.s: You are right. In the unilateral, earlier announcement of CSA; there were 7 (SEVEN) ODIs -- the MOST money making format. More so, when India is touring.

    The old saying that "Everyone loves Money, Honey !" seems to be correct.

  • Sir_Ivor on October 10, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    I am hopeful that this meeting will be a very successful one. I hope they agree to 3 Tests and 5 ODIs with a T 20 as well. That should be reasonable to CSA who have had to wait till the last minute to see what happens. The fact that South Africa are the No 1 Test side and India the No 1 ODI side should make the entire visit very marketable. That apart the youngsters who form the team "men in blue" could earn their wings with a solid performance in South Africa as looks fairly possible. They could very well push the legends that they have replaced into history if they succeed in beating South Africa in the Tests or at least drawing the series as they did in 2010 when they were poised to win the series but were thwarted by rains and bad light when in sight of victory.The other point is that even if they lose after a good fight they will have done enough because these very South Africans have beaten England and Australia away. So there can be nothing better to look forward to this winter.

  • anshu.s on October 10, 2013, 9:34 GMT

    Certain SA fans on this website would like us to believe they are the ultimate test fans but actions of CSA suggest otherwise who are hell bent on having certain amount of Odi's,in fact apart from Capetown test cricket is hardly supported elsewhere with same passion in rest of SA, that's why CSA and host brodcaster Supersports are very keen on having atleast 5 ODI's.Terrestrial brodcaster SABC even decided to drop live telecasting of test matches because they found it is not lucrative enough.

    Yes most average Indian cricket viewer would always love there shorter formats and IPL and i see nothing wrong in it, it does not mean that they don't undestand the nuances of test cricket or appreciate its purity, they do .Equally ridiculous are suggestions that we are not no.1 right now or we are afraid of loosing to SA.

    For this SA tour even Average Indian viewer wants to see only test matches being played and ODI's can be arranged later ,For us Indians USP of SA tour are tests not odi's

  • on October 10, 2013, 9:03 GMT

    The financial losses from the entire trip consisting of Tests is something BCCI can easily bear; but CSA would find it extremely difficult and most likely would not agree. CSA will bargain for more short format contests to recoup some losses. My earlier post asking for entirely Test matches was as a cricket fan. This one is an after thought, as a realist!

  • on October 10, 2013, 8:58 GMT

    THREE tests and a couple of initial practice matches before the 1st Test, would be nice, considering the limited window. The short format contests can wait for another trip (later).

  • on October 10, 2013, 8:51 GMT

    @ Baiju Joseph on (October 10, 2013, 6:52 GMT):

    I share your sentiments entirely! I couldn't have put it better.

  • shinewindies on October 10, 2013, 8:49 GMT

    I am an Indian and i see my fellow countrymen commenting Indians dont like test cricket, well guys test cricket is the ultimate form of the game for any hardcore cricket lover(which are generally Indians), but i guess you dont seem to be one, you seem to be more like entertaiment freaks. Anyways if it is 2 match series, its going to be 1-1, if its 3 match series its still going to be 1-1 with 1 match drawn. Again please guys stop degrading test cricket, as Indians you should not be posting such comments.

    Bleed Blue.

  • on October 10, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    Integrity1 on (October 10, 2013, 3:45 GMT) Cpt.Meanster is not India. He may be just AN Indian! So, don't indulge in juvenile generalities! Like,...You Indians are not No 1 in Test ranking. So you Indians don't like Tests... Utter rubbish....

  • on October 10, 2013, 8:27 GMT

    there is a nice solution. Play 4 test now between W/I and Kiwi tours and come back in 2014 for the odi and T20 series. Some Ludacris posts flying around. You guys are funny. And no one dare drag the name of Sachin in this otherwise the whole of India will be on your neck. Just come here and play the game or stay in India and play another game against Sri Lanka.

  • landofcricket on October 10, 2013, 8:25 GMT

    @ kricket wicket why do u underestimate indian test team,india were also number one test team for 18 months more than england .did u forget that last IND vs SA in SA series is drawn...(1-1), now this team in transition phase .it will take some time to become settled ,india already gave it back to aus 4-0 ,ok...diff between IND & SA team is thier bowling not a batting REMEMBER indian batsmen have to face world class bowling attack whereas SA batsmen have to deal with ordinary bowling attack ..

  • DaisonGarvasis on October 10, 2013, 8:12 GMT

    Enough of ODI's - Let us hope they agree for three tests even if that means no ODI matches. Let them play longer version

  • on October 10, 2013, 6:52 GMT

    If you are a serious cricket fan then this is nothing less than absolute humiliation. Anybody would have liked a minimum of 3 tests where the likes of Dhawan and Pujara would be pitted against the best bowlers in the world. Think of Philander, Steyn and Co. on their best days operating against the rampaging Dhawan and sublime Kohli. If Tendulkar finds some form before his exit, the prospect is just mouth watering. Instead, we would now only get a half eaten pie of 2 tests and 3 ODIs. Before we soak into the series, our team would have already left for New Zealand. Now that's cruelty against the Indian fan who wishes to see high quality cricket and his idols pitted against the formidable and the best. Just because of few disgusting admins, an entire nation has now been deprived of that. Spare a thought for the players. We might have our say through forums like Cricinfo, where would they go and express their grievances ?? after all they would also like to have a say in all this... !!

  • Sunman81 on October 10, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    It will be great if they at least agree to have a 3 test match series (without any odi)... it will be much better than having 2 test and 3 odis...

  • Anoop Srinivas on October 10, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    Although all of us know that test cricket is real cricket, when it actually comes to watching the game, Indians prefer limited overs'cricket to test cricket. For people who say most Indians can't watch test matches because they are at work or school, let me point out that tests in South Africa are almost like a day and night ODI in India because of the changes in the time zone. Also the tests could be arranged in a way where Saturday and Sunday are involved in the match. If there is a will there is a way. Anyway, with all the money they have, BCCI can arm twist anybody.Let them do it for the right thing. From 2011 Feb to may 2012, I dont think there was a continuous period of 15 days when Indian cricketers were not playing. So, even with the stupid WI series and the curtailed NZ series, we can find a way to play three tests and three ODIs.

  • Mindmaker on October 10, 2013, 5:41 GMT

    I hope CSA got the permission to confirm this meeting from those demi-gods at BCCI.....

  • landl47 on October 10, 2013, 3:47 GMT

    I think Nenzani should refuse to attend the meeting if Srinivasan attends.

  • Integrity1 on October 10, 2013, 3:45 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster. Test cricket is only "dead" to you because India is not #1. Test cricket, as it name aptly suggests is the purest testing of a cricket player. Unlike ODI's and T20's, both of which are forms of the game created to draw in larger crowds and revenues. If you think that test cricket is "dead" in the minds of "most Indian fans" then perhaps you should tell those same fans that Tendulkar is not today's Bradman. You see, posing that comparison requires one to compare apples to apples, format to format and even the most casual of fans won't back down from that comparison.

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on October 10, 2013, 2:30 GMT

    now india is no1 in odi format and playing extremely well in all places, so we should play 7 odi's ONLY against SA, and let the whole world to know that how good SA bowlers in ODI against no1 indian team. We all know SA team is chokers, and also including steyn SA seamers are not that good in odi. why should we play to their strength, let them play to our strength.

  • Red_Drag0n on October 10, 2013, 2:19 GMT

    At least 5 Test matches. Doesn't matter if they have to cancel ODI or T20s.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on October 10, 2013, 2:16 GMT

    Cpt.Meanster on (October 9, 2013, 20:01 GMT) I think most Indian fans probably don't like test matches as traditionally you are not very good at them whereas ODI's are popular as India generally does better in that format, priceless. When India won a few tests at home and went top of the rankings it did seem to have far greater importance to the Indian public but that appears to have dissipated now.

  • TheUltimateTruth on October 10, 2013, 1:47 GMT

    Contrary to most non-Indian fans' comments, Indians do want more tests than ODIs or T20s. They want their test team tested against a top team like SA. However, ultimately, when it comes to watching, they stay away from tests and watch ODIs and T20s. The TV ad and stadium revenues from ODIs (followed by T20s) dominates test revenues -- so, I am afraid that both BCCI and CSA will settle on a lot of ODIs (and T20s) and very few tests.

  • on October 10, 2013, 0:53 GMT

    2 Test+ 3 ODI is fine. Only test matches will be boring, most of the Indians prefer 50 overs and T20 over test matches which is evident from the empty stands during test matches.

    England and Australia can play back to back ashes all year if they like that, we are nobody to tell them what to play and similarly they should also respect our choice.

  • on October 10, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    Three tests would have been ideal, in the limited time span. 2 Tests & 3 ODIs may be to help CSA to cut down the losses from the much higher ODI revenue.

  • warneneverchuck on October 9, 2013, 22:11 GMT

    Who cares abt boring 5 day cricket... we r champ in odi cricket

  • SanjivAwesome on October 9, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    Good development. Hoping they agree on 3 or 5 tests!

  • on October 9, 2013, 21:05 GMT

    Once Tendulkar retires, very few people will go to watch Test Matches in India.

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 9, 2013, 20:01 GMT

    @KricketWicket: Honestly, I don't care how India do in tests because it's a DEAD format as far as MOST Indian fans are concerned. The 50 over game in which India are world champions and the no.1 team is the BEST format closely followed by T20. Test cricket is irrelevant in this day and age. Leave that to the Poms to enjoy because that's all that they are good in. Our team should focus on retaining the world cup in 2015 and I am not fazed by the prospect of playing too much ODI cricket. So let the SA tour go on with 2 tests and 5 ODIs if possible. Or else, we are all wasting out time.

  • usernames on October 9, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    If the tour is going to be curtailed, I'd rather tweak it to make it 4 tests now, 5 ODIs and 3 T20s in March/April?

  • KricketWicket on October 9, 2013, 17:35 GMT

    What with the 8-0 drubbing in England and Australia, and additional 2-0 drubbing could make it nice and round at 10-0 for us. In anycase, a 2-0 nil drubbing doesnt sound quite so bad as 3-0.

  • AsherCA on October 9, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    Given the small time window, a split where they do the limited overs matches on 1 tour & Tests on a separate tour might be a better ideal. 2 tests would be a waste, should have min. 4 / 5.

  • SurlyCynic on October 9, 2013, 15:49 GMT

    Is Nenzani allowed to announce the date of the meeting like this? Wouldn't want to 'upset' the BCCI again!

  • jimbond on October 9, 2013, 15:30 GMT

    I hope they make it three tests. Possibly another visit can be made by the ODI team.

  • jimbond on October 9, 2013, 15:30 GMT

    I hope they make it three tests. Possibly another visit can be made by the ODI team.

  • SurlyCynic on October 9, 2013, 15:49 GMT

    Is Nenzani allowed to announce the date of the meeting like this? Wouldn't want to 'upset' the BCCI again!

  • AsherCA on October 9, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    Given the small time window, a split where they do the limited overs matches on 1 tour & Tests on a separate tour might be a better ideal. 2 tests would be a waste, should have min. 4 / 5.

  • KricketWicket on October 9, 2013, 17:35 GMT

    What with the 8-0 drubbing in England and Australia, and additional 2-0 drubbing could make it nice and round at 10-0 for us. In anycase, a 2-0 nil drubbing doesnt sound quite so bad as 3-0.

  • usernames on October 9, 2013, 17:59 GMT

    If the tour is going to be curtailed, I'd rather tweak it to make it 4 tests now, 5 ODIs and 3 T20s in March/April?

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 9, 2013, 20:01 GMT

    @KricketWicket: Honestly, I don't care how India do in tests because it's a DEAD format as far as MOST Indian fans are concerned. The 50 over game in which India are world champions and the no.1 team is the BEST format closely followed by T20. Test cricket is irrelevant in this day and age. Leave that to the Poms to enjoy because that's all that they are good in. Our team should focus on retaining the world cup in 2015 and I am not fazed by the prospect of playing too much ODI cricket. So let the SA tour go on with 2 tests and 5 ODIs if possible. Or else, we are all wasting out time.

  • on October 9, 2013, 21:05 GMT

    Once Tendulkar retires, very few people will go to watch Test Matches in India.

  • SanjivAwesome on October 9, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    Good development. Hoping they agree on 3 or 5 tests!

  • warneneverchuck on October 9, 2013, 22:11 GMT

    Who cares abt boring 5 day cricket... we r champ in odi cricket

  • on October 10, 2013, 0:35 GMT

    Three tests would have been ideal, in the limited time span. 2 Tests & 3 ODIs may be to help CSA to cut down the losses from the much higher ODI revenue.