India's tour of South Africa October 20, 2013

Shortened SA tour likely in December

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The BCCI president N Srinivasan and his CSA counterpart Chris Nenzani have "in principle agreed" for India to play three ODIs, a warm-up game and two Tests in South Africa in December, ESPNcricinfo understands. Although no formal statements have been released by the boards, some progress appears to have been made, two days after CSA offered to send "Lorgat on long leave".

"Following the board meeting, all we have at this stage is that discussions are still ongoing between BCCI and CSA," said a spokesperson from CSA.

The fate of the series will be known when Srinivasan and BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel present the proposed tour itinerary to the BCCI working committee in Chennai on October 26. The two met with Nenzani on the sidelines of the ICC Board meeting in London on Saturday for finalising the solution to a three-month impasse.

The working committee's decision is nothing but a formal approval once Srinivasan and Nenzani have worked out a solution. As a result, India is likely to start the tour with one-dayers in the first week of December and end it with the Boxing Day Test.

It is unclear whether the BCCI and CSA have reached an agreement over the fate of David Becker, the former ICC Head of Legal and one of several lawyers offering CSA advice, who had criticised BCCI's stand on FTP in the wake of India's decision to prune the South Africa tour. However, the BCCI is likely to pursue the matter despite having agreed to tour South Africa.

The BCCI's troubled relationship with CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat is understood to be the central reason for the tour being in jeopardy. Becker denied Lorgat had played any role in his decision to release a statement last week. "For the avoidance of any doubt, Mr Lorgat had nothing to do with my comments. They were my own personal views and neither he nor anyone else at CSA had anything to do with them," Becker said on Sunday.

There is understood to be a split in the CSA board which met on Sunday, with the dispute over over the conditions required for the tour to go ahead. Individuals in the know state that the split lies between the Cape Town based group of administrators and the rest, with the former backing Lorgat to stay and the latter not. CSA have not responded to any queries and the source believes if they are being this quiet they are "hiding something." The source also says the board is scrambling not to be "embarrassed by the Lorgat appointment."

The series between two of the most high-profile cricket nations has been hanging in balance since July 9, when the BCCI objected to the tour itinerary a day after it was announced by CSA. Previously, it had raised "concerns" over Lorgat being in the running for the CSA top job.

While a meeting between Sanjay Patel and Lorgat in Dubai last month failed to resolve the contentious issues, the deadlock was broken when Nenzani was invited to India for a meeting after Srinivasan was reinstated as the BCCI chief earlier this month.

With additional reporting by Firdose Moonda

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • mike.iz on October 20, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    Well something is better than nothing. But for 2 cricket giants & marquee series 2 test matches is not enough. If it was me will go for at least 3 tests & if have time 3 ODI's and T20I. Another option is to break the series like the Aus series test matches 1st & then limited overs...think this will work.Test cricket needs to be given priority it the real test of one skill & endurance. Lets see what the official tour schedule is.

  • on October 25, 2013, 5:19 GMT

    I am Furious of the decision to make it 2 Tests and 3 OD I's. There aren't even any T20 's. I was hoping to watch the one day in P.E on 30 December, but now with the shorten format there might be a change I"ll be excited to see there is still a one day in Port Elizabeth.

  • on October 23, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Well this is sad...but to think of any solutions we need a strong and fair ICC that works independent of all the boards including the BCCI.

    BCCI's role as guardians and custodians of the sport is in question

  • on October 22, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    @just_Test_lover on (October 21, 2013, 12:11 GMT)

    Never ever heard such insane arguments by anyone. You are referring 80s situation, then you must make sure to put right facts before public. It's not only cricket but every sports even Olympic also and that weren't political which you better know. I am not going to those dark moments but you can't make responsible for any sports administrators whatever happened in those days since it was purely due to internal matters of SA. Now you are indulging BCCI unnecessarily and comparing/alleging with those days and crying for victimization here is totally unacceptable. This is unduly harsh political allegations you had put here.

    @Fan_of_test_cricket on (October 21, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    When did BCCI threaten? Your entire comment implicates totally biased towards CSA & derogatory to team Ind and absolutely false to the facts. It clearly suggests the comment where is coming from & doesn't make any sense to show as an Indian as we all know who U R.

  • TimRichman on October 21, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    @Shan_Karthic

    With all due respect, Excel does not make mistakes, the person using it does (that's you). If you were aware of what's been going on in world cricket in recent years you'd know that your figures were a little suspicious. As a follower of Indian cricket, it's quite convenient that don't remember an innings defeat in Nagpur.

    Your homespun definitions of what a "true" away game is also amusingly convenient for your purposes. I see SA's historic wins in England and Australia don't qualify. It's hardly bullying tactics to be the first team to beat Australia at home in a decade and a half.

    Also handy that India's "true" away games allow you to overlook India's series losses to Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the qualifying period...

    But the real irony of your skewed viewpoint (re SA's recent history) is that the SA home record in recent years is actually its downfall. SA is unbeaten overseas in 7 years, but has been less impressive at home.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    Tests are the past. ODIs and T20s are the future. People circa 2013 will not want to spend a week watching a sporting event that often has no winner.

  • Shan_Karthic on October 21, 2013, 16:40 GMT

    @TimRichman: You are correct about the Nagpur 2010 win. Apologies to SA fans about the data entry mistake in Excel for my analysis. Wish I can post the Excel here so that everyone can see it is a straightforward analysis of StatsGuru data and nothing else.

    Updated analysis is: India True Away Games/42% TA Games Won/30% Bully Wins @ Home/47.4% England TA Games/17% TA Games Won/4% Bully Wins @ Home/66.7% SA TA Games/12% TA Games Won/5% Bully Wins @ Home/66.7%

    So, fact still remains, for gaining and retaining their No.1 ranking, India played more and won more True Away games than either SA or England.

    The 4 year period before No.1 crown is based on my understanding that past 4 year results are the ones that determine ranking. It may leave out a win before that period or losses after losing No.1 rank, but if it is not going to affect ranking, I have not used that. If someone can provide better details on how ranking works, I can update the analysis.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:38 GMT

    Both India and South Africa have an obligation to promote test cricket. They should understand that. I beg them to schedule three tests. If the ODI games have to be sacrificed/cancelled to cater for three tests, just do it. I cannot, and I believe many of your readers, cannot tell what happened in the previous SA/India ODI series played in SA in I believe 2010. But we all know what happened in the test series. So come on BCCI and CSA, burry the hatchet and lets get on with it. An Indian tour of three test matches will be to the advantage of both countries - one to keep the number one slot and the other to achieve it!

  • Dev511 on October 21, 2013, 13:40 GMT

    i dont think this short schedule will do anything good to young indian team in those allian conditions (As they will hardly get any time to get used to condition) ...........and CSA will be ready there with green dump parks unplayable bounce and swing of Sten, Philander and Morkel.....they are surely coming back 0-2........

  • TimRichman on October 21, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    @Shan_Karthic

    Careful about criticising people for making false statements.

    This is your comment: "Do you know how many Test matches SA has won in True Away conditions (read non pacer friendly pitches of Asia) since 8/1/2008 (4 years before they became No: 1)? 0, yeah a big fat zero."

    That is a false comment. See here for the scorecard to South Africa's huge win over India in Nagpur in February 2010:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/441825.html

    You may also be interested to note that if you extend your arbitrarily denoted 4-year period back a few months to April 2008, you'll find an even bigger away victory over India, this time in Ahmedabad:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/332912.html

    You appear to have other facts wrong too. Perhaps don't just argue things because you want them to be right. Using real facts is quite important.

  • mike.iz on October 20, 2013, 7:06 GMT

    Well something is better than nothing. But for 2 cricket giants & marquee series 2 test matches is not enough. If it was me will go for at least 3 tests & if have time 3 ODI's and T20I. Another option is to break the series like the Aus series test matches 1st & then limited overs...think this will work.Test cricket needs to be given priority it the real test of one skill & endurance. Lets see what the official tour schedule is.

  • on October 25, 2013, 5:19 GMT

    I am Furious of the decision to make it 2 Tests and 3 OD I's. There aren't even any T20 's. I was hoping to watch the one day in P.E on 30 December, but now with the shorten format there might be a change I"ll be excited to see there is still a one day in Port Elizabeth.

  • on October 23, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Well this is sad...but to think of any solutions we need a strong and fair ICC that works independent of all the boards including the BCCI.

    BCCI's role as guardians and custodians of the sport is in question

  • on October 22, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    @just_Test_lover on (October 21, 2013, 12:11 GMT)

    Never ever heard such insane arguments by anyone. You are referring 80s situation, then you must make sure to put right facts before public. It's not only cricket but every sports even Olympic also and that weren't political which you better know. I am not going to those dark moments but you can't make responsible for any sports administrators whatever happened in those days since it was purely due to internal matters of SA. Now you are indulging BCCI unnecessarily and comparing/alleging with those days and crying for victimization here is totally unacceptable. This is unduly harsh political allegations you had put here.

    @Fan_of_test_cricket on (October 21, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    When did BCCI threaten? Your entire comment implicates totally biased towards CSA & derogatory to team Ind and absolutely false to the facts. It clearly suggests the comment where is coming from & doesn't make any sense to show as an Indian as we all know who U R.

  • TimRichman on October 21, 2013, 22:40 GMT

    @Shan_Karthic

    With all due respect, Excel does not make mistakes, the person using it does (that's you). If you were aware of what's been going on in world cricket in recent years you'd know that your figures were a little suspicious. As a follower of Indian cricket, it's quite convenient that don't remember an innings defeat in Nagpur.

    Your homespun definitions of what a "true" away game is also amusingly convenient for your purposes. I see SA's historic wins in England and Australia don't qualify. It's hardly bullying tactics to be the first team to beat Australia at home in a decade and a half.

    Also handy that India's "true" away games allow you to overlook India's series losses to Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the qualifying period...

    But the real irony of your skewed viewpoint (re SA's recent history) is that the SA home record in recent years is actually its downfall. SA is unbeaten overseas in 7 years, but has been less impressive at home.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    Tests are the past. ODIs and T20s are the future. People circa 2013 will not want to spend a week watching a sporting event that often has no winner.

  • Shan_Karthic on October 21, 2013, 16:40 GMT

    @TimRichman: You are correct about the Nagpur 2010 win. Apologies to SA fans about the data entry mistake in Excel for my analysis. Wish I can post the Excel here so that everyone can see it is a straightforward analysis of StatsGuru data and nothing else.

    Updated analysis is: India True Away Games/42% TA Games Won/30% Bully Wins @ Home/47.4% England TA Games/17% TA Games Won/4% Bully Wins @ Home/66.7% SA TA Games/12% TA Games Won/5% Bully Wins @ Home/66.7%

    So, fact still remains, for gaining and retaining their No.1 ranking, India played more and won more True Away games than either SA or England.

    The 4 year period before No.1 crown is based on my understanding that past 4 year results are the ones that determine ranking. It may leave out a win before that period or losses after losing No.1 rank, but if it is not going to affect ranking, I have not used that. If someone can provide better details on how ranking works, I can update the analysis.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:38 GMT

    Both India and South Africa have an obligation to promote test cricket. They should understand that. I beg them to schedule three tests. If the ODI games have to be sacrificed/cancelled to cater for three tests, just do it. I cannot, and I believe many of your readers, cannot tell what happened in the previous SA/India ODI series played in SA in I believe 2010. But we all know what happened in the test series. So come on BCCI and CSA, burry the hatchet and lets get on with it. An Indian tour of three test matches will be to the advantage of both countries - one to keep the number one slot and the other to achieve it!

  • Dev511 on October 21, 2013, 13:40 GMT

    i dont think this short schedule will do anything good to young indian team in those allian conditions (As they will hardly get any time to get used to condition) ...........and CSA will be ready there with green dump parks unplayable bounce and swing of Sten, Philander and Morkel.....they are surely coming back 0-2........

  • TimRichman on October 21, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    @Shan_Karthic

    Careful about criticising people for making false statements.

    This is your comment: "Do you know how many Test matches SA has won in True Away conditions (read non pacer friendly pitches of Asia) since 8/1/2008 (4 years before they became No: 1)? 0, yeah a big fat zero."

    That is a false comment. See here for the scorecard to South Africa's huge win over India in Nagpur in February 2010:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/441825.html

    You may also be interested to note that if you extend your arbitrarily denoted 4-year period back a few months to April 2008, you'll find an even bigger away victory over India, this time in Ahmedabad:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/332912.html

    You appear to have other facts wrong too. Perhaps don't just argue things because you want them to be right. Using real facts is quite important.

  • CricketMaan on October 21, 2013, 12:50 GMT

    Why play ODIs at all? Why not just 4 Tests or even 3 tests and no ODIs? Either way with a new line up against Steyn, Morkel, Phil, Lange et all we are on the weakside. So 2,3.4 the results might be same but the fun will just get better with more tests!

  • just_Test_lover on October 21, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    @cricketforpease. In the 80's many countries boycotted SA and we were not allowed to play International cricket. Not because of the players too, but political and administration interference. Same here BCCi are interfering or atleast in bad spirit. I can't see that they represent India no Indian Cricket. it is a farce and the series already is tainted in SA as the ag shame or Sorry tour. It should be a summer of cricket and festive. The itenery was a bit long at the begining, but they could just have said so instead of a media spat. or just asked for a shorter ODI tour.

  • Fan_of_test_cricket on October 21, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    @Dhaval Kaushik: The question is not about why SA has played fewer tests in India. The question is why BCCI is threatening to cancel or shorten the SA tour when it was already decided by the FTP. If SA has played fewer tests in India, then that is the fault of the FTP & should have been sorted out years ago when the FTP was formulated.

    Of course BCCI is acting in poor taste and is wielding its power on CSA. Both are great teams and the series should contain at least 4 tests. A 2-test series is a joke as far as I am concerned. Does BCCI fear another whitewash of India?

    And I am an Indian. But I like the game more than I like the Indian team.

  • Shan_Karthic on October 21, 2013, 11:37 GMT

    @NixNixon et al:

    Repeating false statements is not easy when StatsGuru is there.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=won;spanmax1=31+Aug+2011;spanmin1=1+Nov+2005;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=team;view=host

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=won;spanmax1=31+aug+2012;spanmin1=1+aug+2007;spanval1=span;team=1;template=results;type=team;view=host

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=won;spanmin1=1+aug+2008;spanval1=span;team=3;template=results;type=team;view=host

  • warneshane on October 21, 2013, 11:19 GMT

    @murali_88

    With no test since murali retired, what make Sri Lankan board cancelling the Test scenario on map of your nation. Oh come on, what's purpose of commenting on top teams here when you are wiped out from Test world. Doesn't look it funny the childish behavior of your board against proteas to cancel the Test series. Ultimately what happened, your premier league, SLPL, lost in orbit, nobody knew in your own den.Wasn't that 3rd rate politics/childish ego's of grown men of your board?

  • on October 21, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    Its good news that finally we are moving towards the tour being finalised. It is correct on BCCI part to look at giving importance to Home series but it is equally important also to provide the players the chance to battle with a high quality side like South Africa.

    We are World Champions currently in ODIs and are looking forward to retain the World Cup in 2015. But it is also very crucial for us to play with tough competitors abroad which will train and give a good exposure to the Indian Players as current Team has a majority of inexperienced players or less exposure abroad.

    Hope sanity prevails and we get to see a great battle in South Africa. Cheers to Team India.

  • on October 21, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    How can India duck now since Pakistan defeated South Africa. It would had been big embarrassment if they ducked out

  • murali_88 on October 21, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    There are precious few top test teams in the world, India aren't one of them, but still provide the 'marquee' value for test cricket- so why it has been cut down to 2 tests is beyond. It is more cretin-like behaviour from the BCCI that probably revolves around third rate politics, childish grudges and embarassingly, the childish ego's of grown men.

  • on October 21, 2013, 10:24 GMT

    Lets look at history how Ind and SA tour each other and what they play

    TEST From 1992, Ind played 15 test in SAF SA played 12 test in IND

    ODI: Ind played 20 ODI in SAF SAF played 20 ODI in Ind

    It just display Ind played more matches in SAF then SAF played in IND.

    Yet SAF are crying like Ind is doing something which is very poor, we Indians love to see SAF playa big series but it has never happen yet when Ind might do this to SAF this time and they are making a case as if BCCI true villian. Fact speaks clearly

  • vish57 on October 21, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Let Indian Team Play 3 Tests and 3 ODI which means 18 playing days plus 1 3 day game. With a gap of 3 days 42 days are adequate . So let BCCI consider 3 tests .

  • on October 21, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    @PrasPunter

    I wish I could get answers to my questions on your logics which I had raised & I am happy to see you are absolutely clueless. Instead of briefing on series won by Proteas in down under, you took me to your nation; Adelaide in 2003. R U suggesting me about self experience of CA at that time who obliged to BCCI. If you are serious to take on administrators then don't reflect attention from here to your player's show, just answer to queries put in front of you. You are running out of ideas & presenting stupid logic here every time that you can't able to justify them. Yeah, I agree on your teams domination has been gloomed since ages & you have been forced to live on the past glories now. You are happy to chase behind IND in worst spirit. It's sad but don't consume this energy wasting here as it is much needed in recreation of next ASHES DEBACLE of your team in down under.

  • Sudhir65 on October 21, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    BCCI needs this series more than CSA. India will not be able to hold IPL next year due to elections in India. If CSA does not allow IPL in SA, then IPL is dead. It can also not release its players, thus effectively strangling IPL.

  • Valavan on October 21, 2013, 9:48 GMT

    SorryIndianFans, i will take a go at you, counting last 4 years, (1.10.2009 - 1.10.2013), India won just 2 test out of subcontinent (against Hapless WI in 2011 and one vs SA) , SA won 2 tests in subcontinent, England won 3 tests in subcontinent. Btw, as per FTP must play 3 tests in SA, no sachin, no VVS, no Dravid, MSD himself a walking wicket in tests when it is played in Alien conditions, Kohli (1 century away) should carry any indian hopes. Sorry to say but if NZ prepares pitches as it was in 2002, when dravid, VVS, Sachin were strangled to submission, MSD will get a 2 -0 whitewash in NZ, 5 tests in England, as all indians say we green track bullies would love to give green tracks especially to India to see their batters complaining. cricinfo please publish

  • PrasPunter on October 21, 2013, 8:38 GMT

    @Shrikant, Adelaide is that flat-deck where your greatest batsmen on earth scored a victory back in 2003. It has been like that for decades. Nothing new. Tell me something that I don't know. For the record, we as a team dominated for ages and quite common that it has to come down some day or other, which is fine. But ours is not an arrogant board as yours who insist on who's who has to be appointed for them to tour on. I am pretty sure SA will be pumped up because of this brazen display of arrogance that your average flat-track bullies are going to have a torrid time over there on the field. I wish that happens.

  • cricketforpeace on October 21, 2013, 8:03 GMT

    @ Just_Test_lover. Your comments have been written in anger and disgust at the unfolding events. I can understand that. However, what you have missed is that the players of either side have little role in this whole affair. As true sportsmen, players of any international side, specially of top cricketing sides will play whatever itinerary is drawn up by the administrators. If the proposed Ind-SA series appears now curtailed, the Indian players have played little role in this planning. While I am no lover and supporter of the BCCI, I support any cricket played in the right spirit. It is sad that the tests are reduced to only two, but I am willing to accept that rather than none whatsoever. Your last sentence is written in really bad spirit. You or me cannot decide whether any sporting team is welcome or not. Indian cricket players, just like players of other countries are no criminals or crooks nor do they play in an unsporting manner to be not welcomed.

  • just_Test_lover on October 21, 2013, 8:00 GMT

    The team in UAE will bounce back, they are cricket shy since February. The bowling showed why they number one in the second inning, unfortunately their rustyness was there in first. pitt Amla returned home, I guess Smith and Kallis is Due for a score and since AB, FAF and Duminy will be better now will show Pakistan player that consistancy is everything!

  • on October 21, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    @PrasPunter

    Did you forget your own flat-decks , selectively-watered wickets when Proteas toured last time in down under? After 2 consecutive draws Proteas sneaked a victory in last one and Oz allowed them to happen....Didn't look pity that CA had obliged to CSA? I am not saying this but I guess if your logic applies here. Think the damn about next month's ASHES when Oz will leak down again against whom IND belted 6 sixes in an over in SA who is always rapturing in sending your batsmen into the pavilion before taking guard. Guess what fan like you always praying for 11th player to make hundred & be saviour for your country.

  • JustIPL on October 21, 2013, 7:42 GMT

    SA did appoint Lorgat and even then they are able to get curtailed series by just sending Lorgat on leave (may be from india affairs only) which is the success of Saffers. Also, scraping the tour completely will be a financial loss for BCCI as well. Now it is the duty of SA team to vent anger cultivated by beurocrates of BCCI on the indian team who will face the music in SA.

  • on October 21, 2013, 7:39 GMT

    @Andre Schutte

    Better if you preserve & present some real logics here.

    India is very scared of losing this series?? They are scared of being humiliated in a five test series????

    How many times you need to be explained that IND's performances were better than any country in SA baring AUS. It is CSA who has to decide the 3-4-5 tests series not IND. One more point need to be kept in mind that CSA had & has doing this 2-Test programmes since so many years. You are crying shame here on silly logics here which my 8 year cousin won't do it.

    I am not agree with your last point that IND may sneak one & draw other. That means you are degrading the teams with current scenario which is happening in UAE where PAK outplayed SA in every dept. It's not acceptable from a fan of undisputed Test no.1 team.

  • on October 21, 2013, 7:33 GMT

    @ Andre Schutte This is becoming hilarious, it is not the team's decision, its the BCCI's decision. Also, the BCCI is not wrong in taking such drastic step, because it was CSA who released the Itinerary Unilaterally... It was as if the CSA(Lorgat) holds some grudge against BCCI..... So, don't try to hide your flaws by talking rubbish.

  • on October 21, 2013, 7:01 GMT

    India is very scared of losing this series. They know a two test series could go any way. They might sneak one test and draw the other one but a longer tour will result in a loss. That's what it's all about. They are scared of being humiliated in a five test series.

  • on October 21, 2013, 6:20 GMT

    @Piyush Kharadkar - The 'current' form that you are talking about is about the test series almost two years ago. A lot has changed since then and I believe this would be the start of a new era in Indian cricket. Most of the players would be touring SA for the first time ever. I remember Dravid's 148 at Johannesberg in 1997. He was a 24 years old lad and it was his debut year. That innings marked the start of a glorious phase. Expecting similar innings from a Pujara or a Kohli this time around.

  • on October 21, 2013, 6:15 GMT

    Now that it is final that Sachin will not be part of India's tour to South Africa, I am looking forward to this series even more than before. It would be really interesting to see how this team performs without Sachin/Dravid/Ganguly/Laxman/Sehwag for the first time in so many years.

    I hope the new guys stand up to the occasion. Just like the way Kohli did in the final two tests on the tour Down Under. This would be the start of a new phase in Indian Test Cricket. As a diehard fan of our team, I am keeping my Fingers Crossed.

  • just_Test_lover on October 21, 2013, 6:14 GMT

    Personally as a South African I will Boycott the tour anyway. I won't support a sympathy tour just for money. CSA should have rebounded and worked out a plan with another team, even Ireland. Freak Ireland are more respectable than BCCI. Or maybe SA should protest the tour and show Indian players what we think of the BCCI. They are not welcome in SA.

  • just_Test_lover on October 21, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    @Shan_Karthic

    SA Beat England away, WI away, Australia away, Drew 1-1 to India away and Pak 1-1. haven't played SL in few years and not since no.1

    Where do you find your stats? are you just using stats found on BCCI website? They not true at all. Try research.

  • PrasPunter on October 21, 2013, 5:51 GMT

    So what next ? india can as well insist for flat-decks , spinning wickets, selectively-watered wickets etc and all that stuff to make sure the tour goes on. The pity is that the boards will oblige to this.

  • milind84 on October 21, 2013, 4:38 GMT

    Anything less than 3 tests is a joke!

  • on October 21, 2013, 4:08 GMT

    Only time will tell what kind of FIGHT team India will put against SA. Going by their current form in away tests (8-0) against good sides.. It will be a good performance even if they do 1-1 result... But that will be miracle....

  • on October 21, 2013, 2:25 GMT

    This series just got devalued. Thanks, BCCI.

  • usernames on October 21, 2013, 1:47 GMT

    @Bob - Sir, if India does NOT play in the so called Test Championship, do you think it will still go ahead? Ha!

  • on October 21, 2013, 1:33 GMT

    @ Shan_Karthic

    You seem to have forgotten about SA spanking India in the first Test the last time they played in India?

  • Robster1 on October 21, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    Only 2 tests - oh dear, oh dear. Yet again the BCCI not playing the game....

  • on October 21, 2013, 0:31 GMT

    @venkatesh018 on (October 20, 2013, 15:07 GMT): Your question is phrased wrong. It is not that who wanted less Test cricket. It is, who needs more ODI, to recoup the financial losses from a truncated tour? Who can easily afford the losses (In fact, for India that loss will be more than made up by the next two tests in India by a whopping margin). Who is already wallowing in huge financial losses and can't afford further losses, and hence would want more of the money spinning contests? Answer is obvious!

    Any side may do any kind of public posturing to project the appearance of martyrdom? Sheer logic will suggest, as to who has the desperate need to perform that are Hamletian "I-am-victimised" drama? Answer is obvious!!

  • SanjivAwesome on October 20, 2013, 22:05 GMT

    Now at least we can have some decent cricket contest between the players from two sides. Administrators and fans can put aside their little contests!

  • NixNixon on October 20, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    @shan oh you mean india. The team who got hammered in eng and australia! Yea they are a number one team.

  • Shan_Karthic on October 20, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    @Beertjie @Bob Sacamano et al: Contd.

    It becomes more interesting if you consider Bully Factor. That is, it is more easy for SA to beat SL at SA than say beat Eng. If you separate home wins by whether the conditions are True Away for the visiting team (same periods as above): India overall won 50% of their home matches but only 47.4% against True Visiting teams. Eng overall won 53.1% of their home matches but that jumps to 66.7% against True Visiting teams. SA overall won 55% of their home matches but that jumps to 66.7% against True Visiting teams.

    Basically SA & Eng were very good at bullying True Visiting teams finding themselves in alien uncomfortable conditions and inflating their rankings while India was not.

    If you factor in how Eng & SA fared in True Away situations (10% & 0% wins resp.) compared to India (25.9% wins), it is very clear which teams are inflating their rankings by bullying other teams and staying away from situations where they can be bullied.

  • Shan_Karthic on October 20, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    @Beertjie @Bob Sacamano:

    For Eng, SA & Ind, if you look at the record for 4 years before they became No. 1 and for the time they were No. 1, it becomes very obvious who is hiding from tough conditions and inflating their rankings. For India, True Away is outside of Asia and for Eng/SA, True Away is in Asia.

    For those periods, India played 27 Tests (42% of their total in that period) in True Away conditions and won 7 (30% of their total wins in that period). England played 10 Tests (17% of total) in True Away conditions and won 1 (4% of total wins). SA played 5 Tests (just 12%) of their matches in True Away conditions and won None (0%) in those tough conditions.

    So who is hiding from tough conditions and inflating their rankings?

  • on October 20, 2013, 18:28 GMT

    @Beertjie

    Some interesting factors for you.

    SA & IND both had played 107 Tests since 1.1.2003. Count the diff between wins & loss of both IND & SA. Even every fans like you bashing IND for 8-0 everywhere, IND had less no. of losses than SA. whereas SA won 52 Tests as against IND's 45. IND was in transition period of so called 8-0 (which isn't actually, IND won 2 Tests in between 2 tours). And if those records removed, then IND had minimum no. of losses in all.

    IND never ever thought about rankings. It's SA who always thinks about it. Why did SA play less number of Test since SA is disputed best in TEST? Many SA fans believe.....Why did SA play 2 Tests against PAK, IND, BD,... ?

    Let's get on the business mate & concentrate on viewing SA cricket than interfering IND's cricket. It makes funny when somebody talks like you. A fan from Test rank no.1 should expect in delivering a better comment on this forum. Hope SA can able to win against PAK (though it seems to be difficult).

  • DingDong420 on October 20, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    well done Haroon and CSA!!!

  • Shan_Karthic on October 20, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    @NixNixon: Do you know how many Test matches SA has won in True Away conditions (read non pacer friendly pitches of Asia) since 8/1/2008 (4 years before they became No: 1)? 0, yeah a big fat zero. They also did not win a single match in 3 countries in this period.

    Do you know how many Test matches India had won in True Away conditions (pacer friendly pitches outside of Asia) from 11/1/2005 - 8/31/2011 (4 years before they became No: 1 till the end of their period)? 7. They did not win a single match in only one country in this period.

    Now you tell me, who are the better No: 1 team?

  • venkatesh018 on October 20, 2013, 15:07 GMT

    CSA and its negotiators with the BCCI have a duty to spell out to cricket fans, how many Tests they proposed to Srinivasan and what they got from the BCCI. It needs to be clear who wanted one Test match less(although it is an open secret).

  • Beertjie on October 20, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    Interesting point @Bob Sacamano on (October 20, 2013, 4:19 GMT) about BCCI trying to ensure their entry into Test Championship 2017. However playing successfully against "minnows Bang, Zim or less competitive teams WI and SL" may not by itself enable India to qualify for the Test Championship. Pakistan (currently 6th) will gain considerably more points by drawing or beating SA in the 2-test series in UAE than if they played and beat more lowly ranked teams. My point is that a lesser-rated team can leap over a more highly rated team by such means. By the cut-off date for the finalisation of the 2017 comp, a late surge by any more lowly rated team may lead to the exclusion of a team previously rated fourth! Wouldn't such a scenario be delicious for everyone besides the BCCI if India were the 'unlucky' team excluded. Methinks a fox and sour grapes narrative will then do the rounds!

  • common_man_review on October 20, 2013, 14:29 GMT

    All the guys who are asking for more tests, please answer the following question - If the tests are popular, why are they played with almost empty stadiums? How many people watch complete 5 day cricket on TV? Only posting comments/requests here wont fetch you more test cricket. Cricket administrators will arrange for more tests if there is more audience to it. If there is demand there will be supply. Finally as you say, if BCCI is more focused on making money then they will arrange more tests if they see there is more money in it, which will only flow if there are more spectators.. If there are no spectators then the game will and will deserve to die.

  • Jda123 on October 20, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    It should be 3 tests, 3 ODI and then just the one T20.

    I really don't see why thereis 2 T20 when it should either be 1 or 3.

    7 ODI now also... stupidest thing ever. 5 ODI max and then you can fit 3 T20.

  • on October 20, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    I am definitely in favour of AT LEAST 3 Tests, for any meaningful results. But something is better than nothing. I had been under the fear, that CSA will ask for more ODIs, to recoup part of the financial losses, from a truncated tour. Every one knows that Tests lose a lot of money, more so in South Africa, than in India.

    Incidentally, I do NOT understand this DOUBLE STANDARDS, from many readers. When SA played just 2 Tests & 3 ODIs when they toured India in 2010, no one complained? Why now? Is it just because it is fashionable? Particularly in the context of the recent controversies?

  • ATIMAYANK on October 20, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    Before anyone starts bashing Sachin for no reason(this is the new trend). That Sachin would not have been able to Handle South Africa's quicks and that Dravid was more suited, lets look at the facts. In South Africa, Sachin has scored 1161 runs @46.44 with 5 hundreds. Dravid has 624 runs @29.71 with 1 hundred. Surprised? Now lets look at his record in Australia(mightiest team of his era). And please note that I am talking about vs Australia in Australia not in India. Sachin has 1809 runs @53.20 with 6 hundreds. Dravid has 1143 runs @43.96 with 1 hundred. VVS Laxman has 1236 runs @44.13 with 4 hundreds. Impressive isnt it? Now Against England in England, Sachin has 1575 runs @54.31.. Here Dravid has done a lot better (Afterall he is also a legend). 1376 runs @68.8 with 6 hundreds. Ganguly 915 @65.35 with 3 hundreds. These three were the toughest sides of Sachin's era and he has performed brilliantly against all 3 in their home. Need I say more?

  • on October 20, 2013, 12:00 GMT

    Indian board ensures that we wont lose by 3-0 or 4-0. Now we will lose only by 2-0 and if rain intervenes by only 1-0. That sounds much better.

  • NixNixon on October 20, 2013, 11:19 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster, if SA, a team that has now lost their first match in like 7 years and a team who have both the top two batsmen and bowlers on the test rankings, if such a team is not the best, then what is the rest? if SA test team is average then what is india? then they must be pathetic!

  • on October 20, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    A test match is compulsory.

  • Ramesh_Joseph on October 20, 2013, 10:28 GMT

    Why does most people here find two tests as sacrilege? A lot of test series nowadays see two tests only. SA last two tours to India were 2 test series. Right now the SA vs Pak series is also 2 tests. Of late this seems to be the trend. Why is everyone getting so worked up. Anyway apart from a few people who are on cricket websites and forums hardly anyone in India care about tests. Ask any school/ college kids about how much they follow/ watch test cricket. Look at the stadium attendance and TRP rating for tests.

  • on October 20, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    Test matches being squeezed out for limited overs cricket is not a news anymore.

  • ssoni76 on October 20, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    2 test is fine but the main issue/concern is now who is going to bowl there.Is that Ishant or Zaheer or Vinay kumar or Bhuvneshwar?? I am one of them would be Umesh Yadav...what about others???

  • on October 20, 2013, 9:33 GMT

    I dont know why every one is interested to see india tour south africa for 3 to 5 match test series. I also dont understand why so many of us think india is a great test side. India lost away in england by 4-0 then in australia by 4-0 and dont worry it will be the same in south africa. No matter how the indian team plays in t20 and one days but as far as test match is concerned indian team is too weak that even new zealand will fancie winning 3-0 when they will play us at home. This weak indian test team will get even weaker after sachin tendulkar stops playing. Cant all the indian cricket supporters see how bad techniques our batsman are using against aussie quicks even in indian condition. So i guess its a good decision to play just 2 tests. i think india should play big series against some weak teams as those games will be more competitive.

  • jb633 on October 20, 2013, 9:23 GMT

    2 test matches simply so Sachin can play a home test for his farewell. BCCI are a disgrace. I really hope SA pummel India into the ground in the test matches to show the BCCI that countries other than India do take test cricket seriously and not everybody is fixated by the trashy IPL. Two test matches against the best side in the world. Why do SA not cancel on the Indian's and invite England over? Then we could stop the farcical back to back Ashes series and go and play against the world's best side. That certainly would make for better viewing IMO. If only ...

  • Captainman on October 20, 2013, 9:16 GMT

    South Africa at home cannot really attract a good crowd especially for test matches. 2 test matches is actually kind from India. These Indian players also need a good break considering how heavy their schedule is.

  • ATIMAYANK on October 20, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    It a shame. Being an Indian I wanted to see our new lot playing in South Africa. Atleast 3-4 tests whould have been there. Virat for sure will shine in South Africa. So will Pujara. But the real question mark is Dhoni who is yet to do well overseas in tests. His lack of technique cant get him big hits in South Africa. And he is yet to score a test hundred outside India. About time we make Virat as Test captain. Dhoni, being ODI legend should continue for shorter formats.

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 20, 2013, 8:31 GMT

    I am okay with this schedule. It's better than nothing. 2 tests ? Well, India have a definitive priority. Test cricket is as good as dead if this keeps continuing. And what else do we have ? 3 ODIs ! This series will be over in no time and people in SA will remember what they had for their Christmas feast more than what happened on the cricket field. HAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 20, 2013, 8:29 GMT

    @Johan Theron: Re: " It is clear that the Indians are not interested, maybe scared, in testing themselves against the best." Well well.. your country's "best" are being embarrassed by Pakistan in the UAE. Everyone is "best" at home. When was the last time SA won a series in India ? hmm. SA are far from being the best. Having 2 fast bowlers with no spinner and playing on green tracks doesn't make a team "best".

  • on October 20, 2013, 8:07 GMT

    last time when SA tour India, they play 2 test and 3 odi in 2010 yet no one raises voice. And now Indian team is doing same and everybody taking a flak at BCCI. I am not defending BCCI but there is old saying all things done in past come to haunt you.

  • on October 20, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    The fact that CSA has to put its CEO on long-leave for this tour to take place is the final evidence (if it was ever really needed) confirming the BCCI's lack of integrity. Acting solely in their interests and against CSA's and cricket globally will come back to bite them, its just a matter of time.

  • on October 20, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    If it's the third test at the Wanderers that is cancelled I'm going to be VERY angry.

  • on October 20, 2013, 7:43 GMT

    Once again politics (and specifically BCCI politics) gets in the way of cricket. This series is a marquee series between two fine sides, and should include at least 3 tests (4 would be better). Instead we have the unedifying sight of the Board of one country telling that of another who should (or should not) be in charge of it (or we'll take our bat and ball home).

  • on October 20, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    This is preposterous. India plays so much cricket at home which includes this nonsensical 7 match ODI series vs Australia to generate revenue for the money minded BCCI. And then a chance to play in such a marquee series against the best bowling attack in their den to actually test where we stand in Tests goes begging. Absolutely ludicrous.

  • ReverseSweepIndia on October 20, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    @Bob Sacamano, then explain 5 tests against Eng next year? Even we Indian understand that 2 tests are too few, but the logic is not what you said. Even SA have played 2 tests series so many times in India. And by the way how many they are playing currently against Pak?

  • RG2008 on October 20, 2013, 7:13 GMT

    As an independent cricket lover this is just gutless by India, with politics being used as a veil - why not 5 tests, let alone 4!

  • akashchandran on October 20, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    If 3 ODIs, one warm up game and two Tests could be completed by Dec 30, then definitely there is time for the 3rd Test from Jan 2 to 6. It still leaves time for the players to return, spend a week at home and proceed to New Zealand where the first game is on Jan 19.

  • SSGupta on October 20, 2013, 6:47 GMT

    It would have been better if India and RSA play 3 test match series in Dec-Jan 2013-14. The ODIs and T20 can be postponed to next year. Short tour of two tests and 3 ODIs won't be able to generate interest both amongst players and followers.

  • on October 20, 2013, 6:46 GMT

    Disappointing that only 2 tests will be played .They should have atleast played 3 tests against a strong cricketing nation like SA.Everybody including the players would have liked a full tour.SA with its great cricket grounds is a great place to play a full tour.I really don't see how India can pressurise the CSA board to pressurise to ask Lorgat to go on long leave

  • on October 20, 2013, 6:36 GMT

    2 tests and 7 one dayers.....................its not a series if its just 2 tests

  • ghostcall on October 20, 2013, 6:29 GMT

    3 ODIS, 2 tests are joke .. should have been atleast 4 ODIs and 4 tests though in the current circumstances I would be contempt with 3 tests too if they happens. BCCI has taken its loyal Indian fans n global audience on a ride. Unfortunately we dont hv talented Football/ Tennis (Davis ) team to fall bank on if we have to switch our interests to other sports temporarily.

  • pull_shot on October 20, 2013, 6:14 GMT

    It should be 3 test matches i don't care about odi's because SA always prepare flat wickets for odi's which r little bit similar to india

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:30 GMT

    Gosh! Where is the third test.

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    It used to be expected that good teams wanted to test themselves against the best. Now not so much. It is clear that the Indians are not interested, maybe scared, in testing themselves against the best. I wonder what billions of cricket lovers in India think about this? Is their management really managing a national treasure in the interest of the public and what they want?

  • Sir_Ivor on October 20, 2013, 5:24 GMT

    Assuming that this news is indeed the way things are going to be, it is very heartening because this is just what was needed. Since the CSA sets so much store in regard to the financial relevance of an Indian visit, this is the least that the BCCI can do for them. In fact I think the BCCI could have truncated the New Zealand tour to what it originally was to make the South African tour more wholesome. Three Tests, % ODIs and one 20/20 is what we should have in South Africa. I say this because the relationship between the two Boards of India and South Africa is special and has been so since South Africa made a return to the international cricket fold in 1991.Two cussed individuals are not bigger than the game.

  • JustIPL on October 20, 2013, 5:21 GMT

    A curtailed tour will definitely annoy indian settlers in SA who take vacation time to see SA-In matches. These indians have more sympathy to SA then normal indian fans so BCCI should ensure tour as per ftp. Unless there are unavoidable circumstances like security threats ftp should be followed. SA did right thing to follow ftp but india messed it up with meaningless series. Certainly lot of fans are upset by bullying from BCCI. Fraction of income will definitely go down giving indian board a financial hit both at home and away.

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:17 GMT

    2 tests series is nothing but ridiculous. BCCI - shame on your politics at the cost cricket's interests.

  • mackinacisland on October 20, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    It's sad that it's only gonna be Two test but at the same time at least we will be able to see young Indian batting line-up against one of the best bowling unit in their backyard.

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:12 GMT

    This is a good development in perspective but disappointing in the big picture. India and SA should have a 4 or 5-match test series. All the cricket fans were looking forward to it. I think the best way to ensure sufficient matches is for ICC to make 3 Tests a minimum for a "full tour" included in the FTP.

  • JustIPL on October 20, 2013, 4:58 GMT

    Tour to SA africa takes a new swing as soon as india lose a game agaisnt aussies. If such performances from indian teams continue then a full tour of SA might be possible. lol.

  • on October 20, 2013, 4:40 GMT

    Cricket South Africa looks to have traded its independence just for an Indian tour. However, if it still wants more money better CSA declare that it has merged its entity with BCCI and changed its nomenclature as BCCI & SA., Board of Control for Cricket in India & South Africa.

  • Rajeshj on October 20, 2013, 4:32 GMT

    Good to hear that at least the series is on.. Its quite a shame that two top-most teams are playing out a pointless 2-test series.. It should have ideally been a 3-test series at least.. Stupid board politics between the two countries have denied the public of real entertainment..

  • on October 20, 2013, 4:19 GMT

    BCCI is trying to make sure that India faces as less as possible tests against competitive teams to ensure their entry into Test Championship 2017. No rocket science here. Play minnows Bang, Zim or less competitive teams WI and SL, and qualify for Test Championship.

  • on October 20, 2013, 4:19 GMT

    BCCI is trying to make sure that India faces as less as possible tests against competitive teams to ensure their entry into Test Championship 2017. No rocket science here. Play minnows Bang, Zim or less competitive teams WI and SL, and qualify for Test Championship.

  • Rajeshj on October 20, 2013, 4:32 GMT

    Good to hear that at least the series is on.. Its quite a shame that two top-most teams are playing out a pointless 2-test series.. It should have ideally been a 3-test series at least.. Stupid board politics between the two countries have denied the public of real entertainment..

  • on October 20, 2013, 4:40 GMT

    Cricket South Africa looks to have traded its independence just for an Indian tour. However, if it still wants more money better CSA declare that it has merged its entity with BCCI and changed its nomenclature as BCCI & SA., Board of Control for Cricket in India & South Africa.

  • JustIPL on October 20, 2013, 4:58 GMT

    Tour to SA africa takes a new swing as soon as india lose a game agaisnt aussies. If such performances from indian teams continue then a full tour of SA might be possible. lol.

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:12 GMT

    This is a good development in perspective but disappointing in the big picture. India and SA should have a 4 or 5-match test series. All the cricket fans were looking forward to it. I think the best way to ensure sufficient matches is for ICC to make 3 Tests a minimum for a "full tour" included in the FTP.

  • mackinacisland on October 20, 2013, 5:14 GMT

    It's sad that it's only gonna be Two test but at the same time at least we will be able to see young Indian batting line-up against one of the best bowling unit in their backyard.

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:17 GMT

    2 tests series is nothing but ridiculous. BCCI - shame on your politics at the cost cricket's interests.

  • JustIPL on October 20, 2013, 5:21 GMT

    A curtailed tour will definitely annoy indian settlers in SA who take vacation time to see SA-In matches. These indians have more sympathy to SA then normal indian fans so BCCI should ensure tour as per ftp. Unless there are unavoidable circumstances like security threats ftp should be followed. SA did right thing to follow ftp but india messed it up with meaningless series. Certainly lot of fans are upset by bullying from BCCI. Fraction of income will definitely go down giving indian board a financial hit both at home and away.

  • Sir_Ivor on October 20, 2013, 5:24 GMT

    Assuming that this news is indeed the way things are going to be, it is very heartening because this is just what was needed. Since the CSA sets so much store in regard to the financial relevance of an Indian visit, this is the least that the BCCI can do for them. In fact I think the BCCI could have truncated the New Zealand tour to what it originally was to make the South African tour more wholesome. Three Tests, % ODIs and one 20/20 is what we should have in South Africa. I say this because the relationship between the two Boards of India and South Africa is special and has been so since South Africa made a return to the international cricket fold in 1991.Two cussed individuals are not bigger than the game.

  • on October 20, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    It used to be expected that good teams wanted to test themselves against the best. Now not so much. It is clear that the Indians are not interested, maybe scared, in testing themselves against the best. I wonder what billions of cricket lovers in India think about this? Is their management really managing a national treasure in the interest of the public and what they want?