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South Africa faced with Kallis conundrum

With Jacques Kallis being part of South Africa's plans for World Cup 2015, they have to work out the best way to build their eleven around the veteran allrounder - no easy task at the moment

Firdose Moonda in Johannesburg

December 3, 2013

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Jacques Kallis burst through Pakistan's top order with three quick wickets, Pakistan v South Africa, 5th ODI, Dubai, November 8, 2010
There have been suggestions that Jacques Kallis be moved down the order in ODIs, to play as a bowling allrounder © AFP
The harsh truth about Johannesburg is that the city only exists because of goldmines. Everything else - the sprawling suburbs, the shopping malls, the largest man-made forest in the world (or so they say) - was built around the need to develop a town for the people who worked the mines and their families.

It fits nicely then that South Africa will start their one-day series against India in this city, where they will begin figuring out how to build their team around its own goldmine - Jacques Kallis. The allrounder made his one-day comeback in the series against Pakistan, although he sat out the final match with a finger sprain, and is expected to play the full series against India in a bid to enter stage two of World Cup 2015 planning. Everyone else will have to fit in around him.

Now that Kallis has recommitted to 50-overs cricket, the shape of South Africa's one-day team has to change again. So far, they've made room for Kallis by leaving out Faf du Plessis, who will have to score mountains of runs to be recalled, especially given the already tight squeeze for places, and there's a chance more will have to fall by the wayside too.

"Having Jacques back does pose some selection challenges because if Jacques is fit and available and in good form, any coach would love to have him," Russell Domingo, South Africa's coach, said. "The issue is figuring out whom to leave out."

Andrew Hudson, the convener of selectors, told ESPNcricinfo that South Africa have two strategies they are developing to solve that problem. "It depends on what type of cricket we want to play," he said. "Our first option is to play seven batsmen and four bowlers, with Jacques as the fifth, like we did in Cape Town."

In that match, the first ODI against Pakistan at home, South Africa played an XI that included three seamers and a spinner but left out their other allrounder Ryan McLaren. After being named Man of the Series in the UAE, McLaren was considered unlucky to be sidelined in that game by everyone including his coach. "He could feel hard done by," Domingo said.

But Hudson has a way to accommodate both Kallis and McLaren by "playing maybe a second allrounder". South Africa did that for the second match against Pakistan, in which they had to bench Vernon Philander and Morne Morkel for McLaren and Lonwabo Tsotsobe.

However, then there is the case of too many bowlers, as they had in that match. It usually means McLaren will be the man to miss out, as was always expected, when Kallis is good to go. That McLaren has become one of South Africa's most reliable performers after being given a sustained run in the team does not matter when he is vying for a place in the eleven with the man widely acknowledged as being the best cricketer South Africa has produced.

"With Jacques coming in, Ryan does [have to] compete with him," Hudson confirmed. "And if we do select Ryan, who do we leave out? There's no doubt Ryan's own game has come on and we're delighted for that. You'll probably find there won't be many games when we leave him out, but we also need to balance the side."

In short, that describes the future for McLaren. He is second fiddle to Kallis and Hudson said he "understands" that. No matter how good McLaren becomes, for as long as Kallis is in the mix, he will always only be considered as the "other" allrounder and if South Africa need to make use of other bowlers to vary their attack, McLaren will be the man to miss out.

That reality caused former allrounder Pat Symcox to tell local media this week that McLaren would have been better off playing in England and the selectors "should resign". The wider implication is that for as long as Kallis remains in South Africa's one-day plans, others who have been used as stop-gaps - Colin Ingram and du Plessis are the obvious examples - will be forced out.

For former batsman Daryll Cullinan, that is not good enough because it leads to an "unsettled, insecure" team. Cullinan believes Kallis had been allowed too much leeway and he should either "fit into South Africa's plan" or they should "move on" from him.

Cullinan proposed using the Test batting line-up in ODIs, with the tweak of moving Kallis to No. 6 in order get the best out of South Africa's 50-overs side. "Kallis should play as a bowling allrounder so that he can come in in the second Powerplay and then accelerate the innings," Cullinan said. "If we're looking at the World Cup and we look at Kallis' [tournament] stats, you will see that in 36 matches, he only has one century and he has never been a campaign-winning batsman."

Although Kallis' World Cup average of 45.92 is better than his overall of 45.13, he has, as Cullinan put it, "never got South Africa into the final and has held the prime batting position to do that". Deploying him in a different capacity is what Cullinan thinks will allow that to change, but only if South Africa's entire 50-overs philosophy changes.

"Fifty-overs cricket is not an extension of T20 cricket, it is a shortening of Test cricket," Cullinan said. "For that, you need a pattern of play and a structure, and at the moment South Africa don't have that. The guys only have a blurred understanding of that and that has to change. One-day cricket is about developing relationships, guys have to know their roles and trust each other. With so many changes, that can't happen."

For as long as the World Cup remains Kallis goal, South Africa's eleven is likely to be unsettled because of the question mark that sits over his constant availability. Kallis' workload needs to be managed and there is no guarantee he can play every ODI before the main event. He also needs to be kept as fresh as possible in Tests. And so the conundrum remains complicated.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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Posted by   on (December 10, 2013, 18:19 GMT)

LIFE WITHOUT KALLIS: Sooner than later we will have to accept the imperious JK, probably the greatest cricketer to have played the game ever, will retire from all formats. Furthermore, JK will likely go just before his skip, Mr smith. Mr de Kock is needed now in Tests as a important spanner in ensuring CSA can ride this loss out. I think that a side that looks like this is the near future will be able to do such a job. G Smith+, A Peterson, H Amla, AB de Villiers, F du Plessis / JP Duminy, Q de Kock*, R McLaren / R Pieterson, V Philander, D Steyn, M Morkel, I Tahir.

Posted by sharadgargconnect on (December 8, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

I think SA should leave out veteran Kallis now. he is not amongst the runs and he is a burden for team. SA should go for someone like Parnell in place of Kallis to give the side more balance. faf duplessis is also good prospect for world cup. SA should play young team to gather momentum for world cup. David miller should bat at no3 till wold cup. He is best batsman in SA. duminy is the only spinner and this side looks more balanced. 1.dekock 2 Amla 3 David Miller 4 faf duplessis 5 devilliers 6 duminy 7 philander 8 mclaren 9 steyn 10 morkel 11 tsotsobe

kudos :) to SA team

i think they can really become no2 odi team.

Posted by   on (December 8, 2013, 12:52 GMT)

Unless Kallis gets a handful of wickets when India bat shortly I would think that there is no longer any conumdrum! Hopefully Faf will be back soon to solve the problem.

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (December 5, 2013, 22:59 GMT)

McLaren, Steyn, Morkel and Philander as the bowlers, Kallis and Duminy as the 5th bowler. You dont need numptey bowlers like Tahir and Tsotsobe.

Posted by   on (December 5, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

@Harmony111 It may have been a "super-duper flat track" in the Final, but Kallis was named man of the match for his BOWLING. He picked up 5 wickets in the match; bowling well in those conditions is a remarkable achievement. In the tournament, he picked up 8 wickets in 3 matches at an average of 14.

I don't see how India's win in this year's CT is worth more. The conditions weren't like traditional English conditions. There was very little swing. And about beating the home team in the Final, it was a shortened match so it doesn't count just like winning on flat tracks.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 5, 2013, 11:31 GMT)


Ah, did you mean the Champions Trophy that SA won in BD? Well that does not count cos it came on super duper flat tracks and it came against WI. Try to win something more substantial for eg winning the CT defeating the HOME team and then talk about Kallis winning anything of note.

Posted by Ali_Chaudhary on (December 5, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

If Kallis is to be used as a Bowling all rounder it makes no sense at all. He hardly bowls 10 overs in a match. When did he bowl full 10 overs in a match? Oh wait just checked. It was 18th January 2009 vs Australia in Hobart where he last bowled his 10 overs. That means since 5 years he hasnt bowled hi sfull 10 overs. How can we call him a Bowling all round now? How can he be a Bowling all rounder?

Posted by jimbond on (December 5, 2013, 8:46 GMT)

Kallis always has a relevance in the team if he is fit and willing. But to build a team around him is a blunder. SA certainly does not have that many great batsmen who can keep Kallis out of the team, he can be played in place of the less performing batsman- his bowling would be a bonus. Better batsman than him for ODIs would include ABD, Amla (possibly), Miller. The rest- DeKock, Duminy, Albie Morkel, all have comparable abilities currently.

Posted by Paxbush on (December 5, 2013, 8:34 GMT)

A nice problem to have but I think we need to go for two things in ODI formats - consistency in selection and batting depth. I don't believe the rotation policy works. Performance and success in sport in general is about momentum and messing with a successful formula is paramount to suicide. But it's very different to Test cricket in that you do not need to bowl teams out. You just need to score more runs than the other team. So having a couple of wicket-takers is important but we also need to have a bowling attack that can do a job. But get the top 7 right and stable. The bowling needs to be balanced and focused on strangling opposition batters. De Kok(b/w), Amla, Kallis (b/b), De Villiers (c/b/W), Duminy (b/b), Miller (b/b), Faf (b/b), Mclaren (b/b), Steyn, Philander, Tsootsobe/Tahir/Morkel. No place for Smith, he needs to get his form sorted out. This side will allow for a huge amount of flexibility and also provide consistency we need. You can rotate roles certain within this group

Posted by zsayed05 on (December 5, 2013, 4:52 GMT)

Look who's saying that the guy with above 45 avg in WC has just 1 hundred in 36 WC matches, it's Daryll Cullinan, the guy who avgs 33, with 3 hundreds and 23 fifties in 138 matches, stupid bloke, measures a batsman by hundreds, what a joke! By the way, SA's greatest trouble is selection... I believe no Proteas fan wants freakin' Tsotsobe to play, he's a literal mouth-watering prospect for batsmen, he has leaked runs and given away matches so many times, the only way he 'gets' wickets is when batsmen try to go after him, under pressure created by Steyn and Morne! Plz SA, play this team... De Kock, Amla, Kallis, AB, Duminy, Miller, McLaren/Parnell, Botha/Tahir, Steyn, Philander, M.Morkel/de Lange

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 18:06 GMT)

Why does everyone have such a high opinion of David Miller? As far as I can see SA are sacrificing one of their top-order positions for a man who'd only scored 1 century in 93 List A innings. In fact he only has 4 centuries in his professional career. South Africa clearly want him to be their Michael Bevan, but the problem is that whilst Bevan did only score 6 hundreds in 196 ODI innings, he averaged over 50. Miller averages just 33 in List A cricket, so there's no way he's going to produce much better internationally. So remove Miller from the ODI side, and free up a middle order spot that way.

Posted by AjuNair on (December 4, 2013, 18:01 GMT)

Give a chance to Miller to bat up the order..Miller proved his abilities in the last IPL..AB should have to move to 5 or 6 and can do the finisher role which Dhoni do for India..De Kock is in good form now, but H Davids also is a right candidate for the opening role..bring back A. Morkel also to the side..

Posted by Waseef on (December 4, 2013, 16:30 GMT)

My SA XI for ODIs is:

De Kock, Amla, Kallis, AB, Duminy, Miller, McLaren, Steyn, Philander, M Morkel and Tahir

Posted by Waseef on (December 4, 2013, 16:24 GMT)

I believe SA should find a way to play both Kallis and McLaren. The former is a legend and he is invaluable to the team. McLaren has done wonderfully well in ODIs over the last year or so and definitely deserves to be in the playing XI. He can bowl some effective medium pace and his batting is also useful.

SA could consider dropping Smith. In recent years, he hasn't been the cricketer we've known him to be all these years and maybe it's time to sideline him. He isn't the captain anymore, either. He can keep leading the side and opening the batting in tests.

I don't agree with Cullinan's opinion of Kallis in World Cups. It's not his fault that they wasted so many opportunities to win a tournament. His record, as mentioned in this article, is excellent in World Cup matches and he is an important reason why they did well in quite a few tournaments. He was the man of the series in the Champions Trophy 1998, the only ICC trophy the Proteas have won.

Posted by aravind406 on (December 4, 2013, 16:24 GMT)

Am I the only one who thinks Duminy almost always gets a free pass? When has he ever won anything for SA? Most often he chokes under pressure. Play your 5 best batsmen, 2 all rounders and 4 bowlers. Bats: Hashim, ABD, Faf, Smith, Miller Allrounders: Kallis, Mclaren Bowlers: Steyn, Philander, Tahir and one of Morne/Lopsy

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 15:28 GMT)

@PureProteas49- Lose by 26 runs or lose by 1 run, SA still lost that game.. Your bowlers were thrashed around the park too..Indian batsmen smashed 332 off ur bowling.. I think AB won the toss and selected to field.. So, I think Indian bowlers faired well than ur bowling attack.. Atleast our bowling attack restricted ur batting line-up to score 333..

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

@PureProteas49 SA was never in the game at CT13 after india scored 331. also don't even get me started on that wanderers wicket which is one of the flattest wickets in the world where even 400 was chased down comfortably. unless SA doctor that pitch to leave too much grass, we know which side is going to like it more.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

My team would be Smith,Amla,Kallis,dekock,AB,duminy,miller,maclaren,steyn,morkel,tsotsobe.If faf has to be there then replace miller.

Posted by stormy16 on (December 4, 2013, 15:08 GMT)

SA have some of the greatest problems in terms of selection through the sheer brilliance of their fringe players when you consider there are two test debutants who got 5fer on their debuts and cant get a game since thanks to the Steyn, Vern and Morkel combo.

The Kallis issue is another one of those great problems and for me, he must bat at #3 and everything must fit around that. This means only two of Amla, Smith and De Cock will play as the whole idea is to bat AB at #4. Its insane to bat AB any lower as he will win most games if bats a significant amount of overs.

The other issue is Mclaren who cannot be kept out on current form and he has taken more wickets than most in the world so surely he can play as one of the 4 bowlers which could mean Lobsy misses and in Aus Tahir may need to give way for a seamer in any event and JP is no mug with the ball.

It's a magical team that feature 7 batters 2 of who are better than part time bowlers and 4 genuine bowlers.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

India's should no be over confident, as they have to face SA's. Recently, they could not make a clean sweep(2-1) against trembling WI on home ground.

Posted by Batmanindallas on (December 4, 2013, 14:55 GMT)

If you look at recent past SA has done better without Kallis and Smith. It is time to let De Villers have his team and gently ease these veterans out. SA will not win with these guys in the team...time to move on

Posted by jaguar7777 on (December 4, 2013, 14:40 GMT)

no player is greater than his team or the country he is playing for.kallis has been a great player for south africa in test matches and a decent cricketer in other formats.he should retire voluntarily from odi's if he wants south africa to do well in the shorter form of the game,because the selectors and others connected to selection are preoccupied by kallis phobia and are too scared to drop him.i am an indian but wants south africa to do well as they are a very good one day side apart from being a great test match team.he has never been a tearaway batsman who can influence a result on his own nor has he been a bowler who can rip the opposition apart on his course he should continue to play in test matches as he is more likely to make a contribution.

Posted by 619decepticon on (December 4, 2013, 14:13 GMT)

m waiting to see how india's top guns, dhawan rohit n kohli face the bounce and pace of the Steyngun. the most difficult exams of my medical career are due in 10 days, but m so excited to see tommorow's game, wish not to miss the pre match talkshow also...Go India Go!!

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 14:08 GMT)

Devilliers and Amla can take the game from u..beware of them

Posted by AamirKhan-SuperStar on (December 4, 2013, 14:07 GMT)

I do agree, SA is unsettled more due to presence of smith than kallis, decock opening with amla and mclaren along with kallis can make into playing 11. After all Kallis is far better a batsman to be competing wit Mclaren for a place. I feel he competes with a batsman first for a slot in playing 11.

Posted by PureProteas49 on (December 4, 2013, 14:04 GMT)

@yuvi_gladiator, At the champs trophy you beat us by 26 runs, I would hardly call that a thrashing, We crossed the 300 mark, surely you guys should be looking at your bowling when defending over 300 and the opposition crosses that mark, With that said, tomorrows Wanderers steep bounce will make for an interesting contest, Most teams (India included) battle with it and the extra bounce that Steyn and co get, Cant wait

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

South Africa has got bowlers to restrict opposition thereby setting itself chaseable targets. Kallis could be handy here, both as bowler and batsman.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

Kallis is truly a great player; no doubt about it. Many Indians say that Kallis is the Sachin Tendulkar of South Africa. By extending the analogy, and looking at the way the domestic hero worship is fast developing about him, I will not be surprised if Kallis, after a few years, like Sachin, will be blocking the path of many younger players. Ask Faf or Ryan, they might tell you, in private, how they feel, already.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

smith amla decock kallis ab dumminy millermclaren styen morkel tsobe

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

As a loyal South African fan who's waiting for that "one world cup win", I request the selectors to use their bench strength to the fullest. Forget Smith. Amla and De villiers will form the core of their batting with Duminy and de kock chirping in when needed. So Kallis will definitely add to their batting power. Now that we have 5 batsmen, the 6th batsman shall either be du plessis or miller. Both are powerful hitters, as we know, though du plessis can play more sensibly than miller. Invariably with this 6 on top, we definitely need to test Philander and Mclaren as both are capable of batting. Steyn and Morkel's presence is a must and so the final decision will be whether to play Tahir or Tsotsobe depending on the pitch conditions. Coming back to Smith, we are quite familiar with his vulnerability against left arm seamers and if the selectors still feel there's much ODI cricket left in him, I'll have to seriously doubt their reputation as selectors! No offense but nothing much left.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:29 GMT)

I would say drop miller he is just t20 player my 11 would be Amla decock duplesis kallis ab duminy mclaren philander steyn morkel tsosobe

dont include imran tahir as indians are good players of spin if required sa can use part time spin of duminy All pace attack will trouble india

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

SA ODI team should mirror the test team with a few ODI specialists in both batting (De Kock, Miller) and bowling (Tsotsobe) departments.

Smith, Amla, DeKock, Kallis, AB, Duminy, Miller, Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe, Tahir Reserves: McLaren, Parnell, Philander, Faf These are the guys going to the WC2015 and that's the team.

Posted by AltafPatel on (December 4, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

there is not doubt that inclusion of smith and kallis had affected rhythm of SA, they fall down from 4-1 in UAE to 1-2 defeat. Inform McLarren, Parnel had to seat out that also have impact on their attitude and confident.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 13:09 GMT)

Waste of time discussing this topic, probably one of the greatest all rounder cricket has produced. The way he was batting against Pakistan, he is still the best.

Posted by ketaann on (December 4, 2013, 12:39 GMT)

kallis is the best player in south african cricket,respect him like sachin get in india.

Posted by Arvind07 on (December 4, 2013, 12:39 GMT)

Is South Africa announced their squad for India series????

Posted by yuvi_gladiator on (December 4, 2013, 12:38 GMT)

odi series will be competitive only because SA is playing at home. otherwise number 5 ranked SA is no match for the world champs outside SA. they were completely thrashed by the inexperienced indian side in champions trophy recently.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

the problem is not kallis but smith.maclaren can easily be played instead of parnell.against india u might play 5 pacers and duminy bowling 4-5 overs. the two game saf lost was which smith played .hes not reqd and decock and amla are what is best for them my team 1. quinton de kock. 2 amla 3. kallis 4. du plessis 5. de villers 6. duminy 7. miller 8. mclaren 9. steyn. 10. philander 11. tsotsobe/morkel/tahir. thats give them batting depth which they require,4 good bowlers and duminy and kallis will well bowl 10 overs if india manages to play 50 overs

Posted by howazzat on (December 4, 2013, 12:22 GMT)

Kallis' potential all round contribution is second to none and he desrves a place in any SA team, so long as his form warrants it.

If we are questioning 'the old guard' then the conversation should rather be about Smith.....and the answer shoud be a resounding 'DROP HIM'.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

Kallis is indispensable to the SA team whichever way you look at it. He's definitely one of the best 6 batsmen in the country so he can play as a pure batsman if they don't consider him as a bowling option, in which case McLaren can take the all rounder's spot. I think in the same way McLaren on current form warrants a spot in the team with his bowling alone, so how about leaving out a non-performing batsman like Faf or Miller for Kallis or leaving out Lopsy for McLaren? It's simpler than the selectors make it out to be.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (December 4, 2013, 11:47 GMT)

At the end of the day what matters for an ODI team and player is a cup. What ever he did in the past will not be remembered until he is a part of WC winning team. Look at Sachin, he got Man of the tournament in 2003. But only few people will remember it. He will be remembered as a WC winner than Man of the tournament in 2003. If Kallis looking for the WC, sorry mate I don't think your team can achieve that.

Posted by The Vick on (December 4, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

wowwwwww!!!!!! shocked to see that people comparing Kallis with Mclaren :|

the only thing SA need to consider is to kick Miller and add Mclaren

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 11:30 GMT)

Kallis is such a good player to have in ODI Team,Current players approach towards ODI is totally vary from Kallis and Amla.It gives a perfect balance with Experience for a team.I like to play him in No:3 slot itself to play a long innings.So that others player can play as free as they can...One thing i concern about is his fitness for 1 and half years...

Posted by ToadyB on (December 4, 2013, 11:24 GMT)

Cullinan has a partial point, in that SA have always needed to be more flexible in how they use their batting line up. If you lose a wicket in the first over, it makes sense to send in an accumulator like Kallis to shore up your innings, but if you lose the first wicket in the 20th over and the runs are flowing, you might want to send in De Villiers to build momentum or even send in a big hitter who can then take a few balls to get their eye in before taking on the bowling in the knowledge that you have top-flight batting to come.

Posted by BongzSA on (December 4, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

nonsense...Kallis is best cricketer off all time and no reason to question his credentials

Posted by NALINWIJ on (December 4, 2013, 11:22 GMT)

SOUTH AFRICA always had the luxury of all rounders who bowled seam and when they had Kallis, Pollock in the side with Boucher at 7 balance of the side was never a problem and without KALLIS 2011 ODI side lacked balance and Kallis could retire after 2015 world cup so are they looking for the future or a stop gap approach to 2015. India has discovered their future ODI team instantly in the champions trophy and have sorted out the post fab4/Sachin era already.

Posted by TSJ07 on (December 4, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

Even though Kallis is one of best among current generation of players along with Sachin,Lara,Ponting,Dravid,Sangakara but having him instead of Mclaren is not a good idea if Kallis is not certain to bowl full 10 overs. Sometime having too many all rounders can be a problem against good teams as SA/PAK has found put in big tournaments.AUS never had more than one allrounder and India started winning many more matches after their so called allrounder Robin Singh was dropped by coach J Wright. Infact both Kallis and Mclaren can be played together Kallis as a pure batsman and Mclaren as pure bowler.Anything more will be bonus for SA. Also SA should see how Kallis does in pre-WC15 ODI and decide accordingly.Me from India for whom SA is 2nd fav team followed by Pak/WI and AUS.

Posted by ADARSH100 on (December 4, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

This series is the most anticipated one in this year. Both ODI and Test will be a cracker. As Pakistan clinched ODI series against SA in SA, India gets motivated even if India doesnt have quality attack. Position of Raina and Yuvraj is still questioned. Both fails against short pitch balls. So I prefer Rayudu in one place. Since Yuvraj is not used as a bowler nowadays, Raina can be preferred over Yuvraj and can be used to bowl 6 or 7 economical overs to build pressure on the batsmen.

India ODI XI : Shikhar Dhawan, Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, Ambati Rayudu, Suresh Raina, Mahendera Singh Dhoni, Ravindra Jadeja, Ravichandran Ashwin, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Mohit Sharma/Umesh Yadav.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

I think the team that won in UAE was the most settled ODI team for SA.But with Graeme Smith and Jack Kallis coming in,the whole combination of the team changed and the team struggled.The problem is there will be too many players in the same mould with these two in the team. Amla,Kallis,Smith,and to an extent JP are players who are best suited to nudge and rotate the strike and these guys struggle to accelerate.This puts too much pressure on ABD and Miller.My ODI XI would be de kock,amla,JP,ABD,FAF/ KAllis,Miller,mclaren,steyn,morkel,tahir,tsotsobe/philander

Posted by ToadyB on (December 4, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

There are so many questions about this SA side, like how much longer will they persist with Dave Miller, who averages just 30 in 37 ODIs which is broadly consistent with his entire cricket career, and Faf Du Plessis, whose average is even worse. The reality is that when things go well for Amla and De Villiers, these two players are unecessary, and when they go badly neither of them has the ability to step up. Miller, particularly, is a flat track bully with no particular merit. Another issue that SA need to look into is the poor performance in the field. Games were lost against Pakistan because of dropped catches, missed opportunities, poor communications between players... all things SA used to excel at. Smith called for the ball the other day... and then left it! What, he's not used to being listened to? Kallis is the least of their problems.

Posted by jb633 on (December 4, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

Wake up South Africa, why are you building your ODI team around a guy who is struggling in this format. The SA win in UAE was superb and it seemed everyone had a role and was happy with it. Kallis has been a tremendous cricketer over the years but he is holding back the ODI side. Unless he opens the batting I don't see him as a positive influence in the batting line up. He eats up too many balls and rarley wins games whilst batting second. The ODI side should be built around Amla, AB and Quniton with Steyn and Tahir as the trump cards with the ball. I have a great deal of respect for SA cricket and Kallis but I really feel in ODI cricket they are better off without him. He no longer appears to be able to hold with the ball either.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 10:59 GMT)

I just wondering why SA board doing such stupid thing by comparing Kallis and McLaren for their position in playing eleven. Kallis can play in the eleven as a pure batsman. He is the best batsmen in anytime over others in the eleven. If he fit he should be automatic choice in the side. I seen few of their batsmen who are consistently getting fail in every match (I am talking about du plesis and dumini) still they are in side.

Posted by SurlyCynic on (December 4, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

Strange to see all the comments that Kallis 'never won' anything for SA, as he was man of the series when SA won the Champions Trophy.

Still, that was a long time ago and I agree he is unlikely to bowl 10 overs, but I would have him instead of Faf. On his return to the ODI side against Pakistan he made 50, compare that to Faf's form over the last year?

Smith shouldn't be anywhere near the ODI side, De Kock is the future. When Smith came back into the team in the home series against Pak suddenly SA didn't get fast starts any more and lost the games he played. Stick to tests Smith.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 4, 2013, 10:56 GMT)

For a long time I have been saying that Kallis is not much of an ODI player, glad to see that many others here, including a few SA fans have similar views. Kallis has never been a batsman who will rattle the opposition AND he has never been a bowler you would not want to face. Thus, both as a batsman and as a bowler he is not exactly a strong point for SA. The only advantage Kallis brings is that he can bat and bowl both thus freeing up one slot for SA in their team. SA have been able to play an extra batsman or an extra bowler due to Kallis and this is one major reason of their success. I honestly can't recall one single GREAT knock by Kallis in ODIs not can I recall any GREAT bowling spell from him. His batting SR is ~73 and in the modern age, this is turtle pace really.

In crunch matches, Kallis has never delivered. In WC07, SA were on track to chase vs Aus but Kallis came in and ruined it all. Even in that 434 match his SR was among the lowest.

Can argue the same for tests too.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 10:55 GMT)

Something similar happened with Sachin in the ODIs. Problem with people like Sachin and Kallis is the fact that they have overgrown the game itself. Any question posed to them would be like insulting the years of service these two gentlemen have selflessly rendered for their country. Patriotism, Humility and dedication of the highest kind. Yet when Sachin understood that the team would be ill served by having 3 openers, he quit ODIs. This allowed Kohli to come up and make the No. 3 position his own. Though its a different thing that both Sehwag and Gambhir lost out of favor but their replacements (Dhawan and Sharma) have looked their part. Thus India now has a very stable top order and with Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni, the middle order is also settled. As is ably mentioned in the article, the players need to clear about their roles in the team, else the team goals will never be realized. Its high time that Kallis the player understands this and quits the scene. It may just help things.

Posted by ToeCruncher on (December 4, 2013, 10:54 GMT)

Kallis is a champion player. McLaren, Faf, and co all have a long way to match the class and capability of Kallis. Kallis should play, and he is the type of player you CAN build the team around. Kudo's to SA selectors for seeing this.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 4, 2013, 10:49 GMT)

For a long time I have been saying that Kallis is not much of an ODI player, glad to see that many others here, including a few SA fans have similar views. Kallis has never been a batsman who will rattle the opposition AND he has never been a bowler you would not want to face. Thus, both as a batsman and as a bowler he is not exactly a strong point for SA. The only advantage Kallis brings is that he can bat and bowl both thus freeing up one slot for SA in their team. SA have been able to play an extra batsman or an extra bowler due to Kallis and this is one major reason of their success. I honestly can't recall one single GREAT knock by Kallis in ODIs not can I recall any GREAT bowling spell from him. His batting SR is ~73 and in the modern age, this is turtle pace really.

In crunch matches, Kallis has never delivered. In WC07, SA were on track to chase vs Aus but Kallis came in and ruined it all. Even in that 434 match his SR was among the lowest.

Can argue the same for tests too.

Posted by GulrezAlam on (December 4, 2013, 10:44 GMT)

so much talk about one of the great all rounder in world cricket.Give him a chance and he will prove him self. Please don't compare him likes of Ryan Maclaren.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

Very hilarious suggestions from such good players, SA have lost a series to pak in the process of experiments. the team that was playing in UAE was the best combination for SA. De Kock- Amla, followed by du plessis, AB, Duminy, Miller, Mclaren, Parnell/Morkel, Steyn, tsotsobe & Tahir. This look a perfect ODI combination. If u want to solidify ur batting u can add kallis to that instead of inconsistent du Plessis but considering him as an all rounder ahead of Mclaren would be a sin. Kallis is a quality batsman & he should continue to play his role of anchoring SA inning batting at 3-4.

Posted by vvbr on (December 4, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

Kallis is never a problem for SA. He is in the team and does bowling and batting. I don't know how he is not an asset! Unlike Sachin, Dravid, Mahela, Ponting freaking he can bowl and bat!!!!!

Posted by S.Jagernath on (December 4, 2013, 10:34 GMT)

@JBSA.Kallis has not steadied anything.Have you realised that him handing his wicket to New Zealand in a tough situation lead to South Africa's exit in the 2011 World Cup?Pressure situations require big match players,Kallis has never been 1.Consider the 438 game & all the other big chases,Kallis always failed!

Posted by vvbr on (December 4, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

It's shocking to hear from a player like Cullinan talking about his fellow player in this tone. I mean, SA had the best chance to win WC in 90s and in early 2000s. Now, it's all about Australia and India. ODI is a batting game. T20 is a sloggers game. Tests are the only bowling game where SA is the best!

Posted by S.Jagernath on (December 4, 2013, 10:30 GMT)

Daryll Cullinan is correct.Jacques Kallis has been very,very consistent but throughout his career has not truly been a match winner.Centuries usually come after the top order has already piled on the runs & wickets come when Allan Donald,Shaun Pollock,Makhaya Ntini,Dale Steyn,Morne Morkel & the other load of quality pacemen have battered top orders.Kallis is no doubt a valuable player,but he can also be a concern.He has struggled with the short ball for many years & grew a large batting average around high class top order batsmen.He isn't the kind of player that will get you into world cup final,he just does not contribute in crunch games.

Posted by EtieneMarais on (December 4, 2013, 10:26 GMT)

Enjoying all the comments. I believe, like Cullinan, that Kallis should be a bowling allrounder. He is still fit enough to give his all for 7 overs, and AB was wrong to give him that 8th over. He takes wickets, and still gets more runs than McLaren. In my mind McL is a bowler who can bat a bit. Tahir should play in all tests and T20's, but not in ODIs if the pitch=quick. Nobody else is quite good enough to fill Kallis' shoes as batsman or allrounder. Ingram, Elgar, Behardien, Davids, Miller, Faf...Ingram has a better average than Miller, even though that was dented by playing him as opener and then tossing him away... My team Amla, Kallis (or6), de K, AB, Ingram, Miller, McL, Philander, Steyn, Morkel, Tahir/(Parnell @ /Tsotsobe).

Posted by TheWayCrciketShouldBePlayed on (December 4, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

@ Firdose Moonda, please understand that Kallis alone can't bring the World Cup to South Africa like how Sachin Tendulkar alone could not bring world cup to India. It took lot of attempts, other players rising to occasion (and along with that India BCCI changing venue of WC from AUS-NZ to India in 2011, better we discuss this less) and teamwork did it. So, Proteas should find a Stable 11 or 13 players squad for ODI team which includes a good spinner as in Australia grounds are very big and tough to hit spinner for a 6 than hitting seamer for a 4. Then we can talk about adding Kallis to squad or not and discussing about Proteas chances of winning 2015 World Cup. Hope it makes sense

Posted by aarif on (December 4, 2013, 9:57 GMT)

My suggestion, don't treat Kallis as any all-rounder and bank on that notion. Have Kallis and Duminy to do the 5th bowler's job. Then have 7 batters (including the two) and 4 bowlers, one of which should be McLaren. Kallis' bowling is not good enough anymore to be able to count as an allrounder and so isn't McLaren's batting yet. In short, the best SA combination (and no conundrum) would be: DeKock, Davids, Amla, Kallis, Duminy, DeVilliers, Miller, McLaren, Philander/Tsotsobe/Parnell, Steyn/Morkel, Tahir - In batting order. The slashes in the bowling names mean one of the options should only be picked for those positions. Keep this team and try to stabilise for a year with it and you have a winning combination.

Posted by FanCric111 on (December 4, 2013, 9:19 GMT)

Now people are picking Kallis they started with Dravid ,Ponting , Sachin. Now Kallis is their HOT topic they will not leave him until he retires. Then who will be the next in list "Mahela" or "Chanderpaul" . . ?

Posted by Protears on (December 4, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

Kallis once he gets a run under his belt and can work himself into form again is still a high class player despite his age. The problem has been his fitness but I have been told he has done a lot in that regard. He is not required to bowl 10 as he shares with Duminy but if he is having a good day with the ball will probably bowl his full 10. Where it is crucial is that he gets back into batting knick, the absence of any cricket has seen him and Amla grossly out of form but looks as though Hashim is finding touch, just need the big man to also find his form and that not only is good going into the ODI season, more so for the long game season where Kallis is still very much a key. I think our big issue is left handers, we have to many in a period where there are a lot of quality off spinners causing issues

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 8:41 GMT)

There should also be a debate about the usefulness and effectiveness of Duminy. He never performs against a good opposition.

Posted by kar_rocks on (December 4, 2013, 8:26 GMT)

Don't understand all this hoopla for a player whose shelf life has expired. It is high time Kallis retires from international cricket and allow youngsters to play. It was the same case with Sachin in India. Kallis in WC will be a liability rather than a asset.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

2015 - I finally want to see RSA (South Africa) becoming World Champions, my fav team since 1996, each world cup i have hoped for a SA victory, but it has never happened, hoping that this time in 2015, they finally get there....this is coming from a 100% pure Indian

Posted by JBSA on (December 4, 2013, 8:17 GMT)

Kallis is one who steadied the ship many times when SAF would be losing wickets fastly in the past. There were no one other than him in the middle order to do that then and his bowling skills was an added advantage. He can raise his game as on what's needed. He can safeguard the slide or if you want he can rattle the bowling line-up on his will. But now after the rise AB, I think the role has shifted towards AB more. What SA needs now is a all rounder in the No 6 or 7 who can finish the innings or flourish the death overs. Kallis would suit perfectly but McLaren would be the idea choice to make him settle and build up the team for 2015WC. Kallis must focus more on Test rather than ODIs. One more injury might finish his career. Oflate he seems not suitable to a smashing innings. So its better he retires and wins his form in Tests

Posted by RoyRulez on (December 4, 2013, 7:44 GMT)

Kallis for McLaren makes no sense... Kallis is and always has been a batting all-rounder while McLaren is a bowling all-rounder... Besides McLaren is one of the good death bowlers SA have and Kallis hardly ever bowls 10 overs in an ODI!!! If Kallis has to be included, one of Faf du Plessis and David Miller will have to miss out... Faf is the more likely person to miss out on the basis of performance but SA are not known for taking bold decisions and dropping the T20 captain will be one...

Posted by plabon on (December 4, 2013, 7:30 GMT)

I don't think Kallis is the problem....the problem is Beside AB De Villiers SA don't have much of a match winner or finisher. Both Duminy & Miller are simply not good to win a match from crunch situation (also the fact that they are very susceptible against spin). What SA lacks is good finisher like Klusener, Boucher, Kemp or Pollock. Albie Morkel may B a option but he is very inconsistent. So SA need to find some good finisher in no time. (Prediction: Imran Tahir will be hammered pretty badly against India).

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 7:26 GMT)

McLaren is incapable of producing consistent performances. He cannot compare to Philander. Tahir has been handled poorly often not completing 10 overs, though very economical. Kallis and Smith will never win the Proteas a World Cup. Neither will AB as captain and the very poor Hudson as selector. Move on.

Posted by Andre117 on (December 4, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

I believe that on a good day Kallis can destroy any bowling attack in any form of the game. The problem is that even at this stage of his career he either does not believe that or he plays for himself and not for the team. I think it is a mistake to put him in at 6. He has decided to be the rock of the team that others play around and with that mindset he is better placed at 3 or 4. Is it possible to turn Kallis into a Miller/Dhoni/Maxwell? I believe it is but Kallis doesn't.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 7:10 GMT)

Which South African batsman has gotten SA into a final of the world cup? Oh, thats right, a total of 0! You had your chance Darryl.

McLaren has had a few good performances but at the same time he has had a few very bad ones too. Perhaps Mr Symcox should also watch the games that South Africa loses.

Since the departure of Kallis from the ODI team, it has never been settled. Now that Kallis is back, the other players under pressure need to perform. How is this a conundrum? It can only be good for the team as a whole.

Posted by Thuram3 on (December 4, 2013, 7:02 GMT)

Kallis must definitely bat 3 in ODIs. The SA line-up looks more solid with him in it.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 6:57 GMT)

Kallis has only been a good one day player because of his bowling. It is ridiculous that Du Plessis has to sit out to accommodate him! Amla provides enough solidity, SA do NOT need another Test style batsman in the mix.

Posted by Spanjaard on (December 4, 2013, 6:49 GMT)

I like Muneeb_Dawood's thinking.

What I reckon it comes down to is that SA can't afford to have Smith and Kallis in the team at the same time. Either the top 3 should be AMLA, DE KOK and KALLIS or we go with AMLA, SMITH, DE KOCK.

The rest of the eleven for me would be made up of Du Plessis, De Villiers, Duminy, Miller, Philander/McLaren, Steyn, Morkel and Tahir.

Reserves for the world cup in the event someone is struggling would be Parnell, Smith, Tsotobe and Peterson.

Good mix of experience and hopefully form and we not going to be stuck with a bowling allrounder having to bat 20 overs if we 5 wickets down (which come World Cup time we might well be!)

Posted by i-s-r-a-r on (December 4, 2013, 6:47 GMT)

Why does mclaren needs to sit out when you have dead weight like smith and du plessis in the team? Both, specially du plessis has got an unfair amount of chances in the odi team due to his frinedship with AB. A team consisting of amla, de cock, kallis, de villiers, duminy, miller, mclaren, philander, morkel, steyn, tahir seems well balanced. Iwith smith coming in if kallis needs rest. Tsotobe coming in, instead of morkel/steyn/philander and parnell coming in instead of mclaren/philander/morkel when they need rest. I really do not see what the selectors are so confused about.

Posted by Romanticstud on (December 4, 2013, 6:24 GMT)

Kallis is an important cog ... 1 player cannot win games so it is unfair to say now after all that he has achieved suddenly that he is not good enough ... the fact of his longevity has allowed South Africa the freedom to lengthen its batting and bowling ... Question who to leave out ... I would actually have this lineup --- Amla, De Kock, Kallis, De Villiers, Du Plessis, McLaren, Miller, Philander, Steyn, Morkel/Tsotsobe/Tahir

Posted by sidganesh on (December 4, 2013, 5:35 GMT)

Kallis is easily the greatest Test cricketer SA has produced. Howeve, he has not won many ODI games for SA, his outstanding stats notwithstanding. As a batsman, he does not bring in the value that Amla and AB do and as a bowling allrounder, he is not as good as McLaren.

Posted by rajuramki on (December 4, 2013, 4:10 GMT)

Without any doubt , Kallis is one of the greatest allrounders of all times . But the fact remains that , Kallis may not be able to contribute much in the forthcoming world cup . He will be 40 when the world cup starts and considering the fitness and injury problems faced by Kallis , I doubt whether he can last that long , although he may wish to have one last go at the world cup . The talent available in SA is unbelievable and hence it is high time that SA plan to have a team without Kallis for the world cup, to have a realistic chance of winning the cup . I am not for a moment belittling the abilities of Kallis but he is at a stage similar to Tendulkar a year ago .

Posted by dariuscorny on (December 4, 2013, 3:26 GMT)

infact Watson is better than Kallis ,he is an effective allrounder in Odis specially yes, his performances in tests is under the scanner but he makes up for it in odis as Kallis makes up for his oneday deficiency in tests.....i rate Watson very highly is just he needs to concentrate on tests

Posted by AB_DeVilliers on (December 4, 2013, 2:34 GMT)

One thing is clear for me, SA need to move past Smith in ODI cricket. My 11 would be: Amla, De Kock, Kallis, Duminy, AB, Miller, Mclaren, Philander, Steyn, Morkel and Taahir (8 bats, 7 bowls). To me, Kallis is not a genuine bowling option, he leaks too many runs and is not a death bowling option. Mclaren has to make the side.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 2:33 GMT)

I always find ti strange that S Africa ODI squad is not dominating or is not as settled as their test team. On paper their ODI time is the best in the world.

I would think fitting Kallis into the squad should be easy. Bat him @ # 4, & use him as the 6th bowler. McClaren also should play:

Smith, Amla, De Kock, Kallis, De Villiers, Duminy, McLaren, Parnell, Steyn, Morkel, Tahir

Backups: Miller, Du Plessis, Philander, Tsotsobe.

Such a XI and squad should be dominating all...

Posted by jimwhatever on (December 4, 2013, 2:32 GMT)

recently only amla and AB scored consistently. no other SA batsman have consistency.

Posted by Ali_Eorse on (December 4, 2013, 2:27 GMT)

As a Bangladeshi living in Detroit, I am a fan of South Africa. Kallis will score 4 centuries (each inning a century). He will have a better average than Sachin or Brian. India series will give Kallis a second wind. Then with Australia he will score more centuries and take more wickets. Kallis will retire in next 2-3 years as the most accomplished batsman, bowler of all times: More centuries and more wickets as an all-rounder. Livestrong: Kallis.

Posted by InsideHedge on (December 4, 2013, 1:41 GMT)

I've been saying for years - long before it became fashionable - that Kallis loses games for SA in ODIs. No doubt frustrating for SA fans because Kallis has all the shots and the technique but there's a sense of fear in his batting which sees him slow the team scoring to a crawl, followed by an inevitable dismissal long before the end. Or are we being too kind to the batters who follow, they often resemble rabbits caught in headlights.

Cullinan's suggestion to move Kallis down to 6 is a good one. I'm glad to see there are important SA ex-players/commentators who acknowledge Kallis' batting failure. His numbers are very misleading, I can't think of any great innings he's played, what he has is an incredible number of starts that fail to be converted into winning innings. In fairness, he deserves one more WC and a chance to correct his record.

Posted by   on (December 4, 2013, 1:37 GMT)

kallis should play tests only by 2015 world cup he will like 40. They should probably try a younger talent. A new ball bowler like philander will always be good, so have him so. u have philander, morkel, steyn, tahir and perhaps robin pieterson or botha as 5 bowlers. When u have amla and ab averaging 50, with smith and duminy, it is time to be aggressive. Plus philander, morkel, or even pieterson/botha can hold a bat.

Posted by Robster1 on (December 4, 2013, 1:00 GMT)

With Kallis's return there some pressure too now on Duminy to perform consistently and more so in pressure situations.

Posted by jimbond on (December 4, 2013, 1:00 GMT)

Currently Kallis is predominantly a batsman, who can bowl a bit, sometimes he can bowl 10 overs in seaming conditions, though not very certain of him bowling ten overs in Australia during the WC. Actually his availability eases the selection problems, it doesn't increase the problems. Kallis need not be played in every match leading to the WC because of his age and possibility of getting injured. In the WC, he can easily replace the least performing batsman of that time- whoever that is. He can be an alternative for Smith also- if Smith gets injured, because we have seen Kalllis' performance at the top of the order in IPLs.

Posted by SHER-A-PANJAB on (December 4, 2013, 0:55 GMT)

@Real_gone.......If u think D.kock should not play in ODI rather than Smith does ,,,,,,You must analysis SAfrican cricket again Since 1992...please do some home work! Mean while Team India is so strong these days ,not easy to beat them by South African cricket team. If KAllis has to play as 5th bowler he would not be fit anymore so give this job to Duminy and Elgar .." 15 member team should be .....Amla ,De Kock ,KAllis JP , AB ,Miller , Elgar, M Laren ,Parnell , Sobe, Morkel , Dale ,Tahir,(FAF , Hendricks (batsman )...because Smith is disturbing the whole balance of the side,let him play in test cricket ...good luck

Posted by   on (December 3, 2013, 23:32 GMT)

Frankly, Kallis coming back in the SA ODI team shows how bereft SA cricket is of talented batsmen. Apart from Amla and De Villiers there is no one who can hold their place. Also Kallis was never a good limited overs cricketer, he has hardly been an impact player. He may still hold is place in the test team due to his reputation, but the way he has been playing, he is not the guy who made truckloads of runs against all oppositions in all conditions. Even if he retires today, he will be regarded as the best cricketer SA has ever produced.

Posted by nareshgb1 on (December 3, 2013, 23:32 GMT)

Kallis has averaged 20 in tests over the last year, has had fitness issues and has also dropped catches at slip - all signs of decline. Heck he even got tonked on the head by a Sri_lankan bowler last year.

He will score a few more fifties in his career, but thats about it. I will be surprised if he lasts into the 2015 World Cup.

Posted by Shongololo on (December 3, 2013, 23:18 GMT)

I don't think anyone is denying Kallis' enormous contribution to cricket but the harsh reality is that he's in the twilight of his career, not the player he once was. That's Father Time for you, doesn't give a fig for who you are. The truth is that Kallis' best is behind him, not ahead of him, so he's not a long-term or future prospect...which means he simply MUST perform in the vast majority of games he plays to retain his place in the side. Let's not allow sentimentality to land us with another John Smit...

Posted by binojpeter on (December 3, 2013, 22:42 GMT)

Kallis should be able to walk into SA eleven if he is fit to play. McLaren will have to adjust to be in and out of the team for the time being if team cannot accomodate two alrounders, in my opinion. Once Kallis retires, he always has the option of becoming permanent part of team as a replacement for Kallis.

Posted by malii on (December 3, 2013, 22:15 GMT)

he did score a 50 in his comeback ODI which was fairly pleasing. Can't live with him, cant live without him.

Posted by BigINDFan on (December 3, 2013, 21:37 GMT)

Either Kallis opens the batting and bowls a few overs or he is out of the ODI setup. I can see why Kallis wants to play ODIs because CSA cannot plan enough Test matches to keep him only to Tests. I am sure Haroon Lorgat will upset more board presidents and SA ends up playing only T20s.

Kallis is past his prime and trying to fit him in the ODI format is silly. McLaren and other youngsters need to be in the side for good preparation ahead of the WC. For those comparing Sachin and Kallis - not a good comparison between an allrounder and batsmen who took a few wickets. But if the comparison is made then Sachin bowed out of ODIs to make room for youngsters and stuck to Tests.

Hope Kallis makes a decision himself and not edge out a youngster like McLaren or any other youngster in the team. Next what, Graeme Smith wants to come back and they will make room for him?

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 3, 2013, 20:08 GMT)

And also, it'll be a huge disservice to demand such a work-load from an ageing work-horse. If I were in CSA, I would reason out with Kallis that he'll still have more than a couple of years left in him if he can go easy on his ODI revival plans. Yes, he might want to add another feather - ODI World Cup Trophy - in his already glittering crown. But winning World Cup is not just up to him. Or is it? His team isn't reliable in crunch situations historically. Kallis shouldn't forget this fact before he sacrifices his Test Career while going for that elusive World Cup Trophy. How confident is he in his ODI Team to do this for him? His team can't even win convincingly against Pakistan. Kallis should not forget this fact. I wish him all the very best in his endeavours. But hope better sense prevails in him, his family and CSA. Best wishes from India to King Kallis.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 3, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

And another thing, sometimes it is hard for insiders to see the reality. Our emotions and biases skew our judgment. Outsiders can see the obvious while insiders will be in denial. We were in denial regarding Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Sehwag...... Proteas might too find it hard to swallow the reality regarding Kallis. But to an outsider like me, Kallis looks like a spent force (I'm not his basher. Rather I'm a self-proclaimed biggest overseas fan of King Kallis). Father Time isn't merciful. Is he?

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 3, 2013, 19:34 GMT)

I don't think Kallis will last the distance if he has to fill the fifth bowler's spot. That'll be too many overs for his fragile body to bowl. He looks like a spent force. SA should move on. A great player. Great all-rounder, best since Sir Sobers. But a spent force, from the looks of it.

Posted by parvinder7 on (December 3, 2013, 19:29 GMT)

sachin is good because he was one of the guys from india who made 1 billion people in india watch cricket and another 500 million worldwide. Can any cricketer from any country do that. If they could india would not be the biggest and richest cricket board. Any 1 who likes stats then play the game and see how long u last in cricket. It is always easy to compare from a chair at your house. Sachin made runs at international level. At domestic level no one really cares. International level records are what people like to see.

Posted by   on (December 3, 2013, 19:26 GMT)

Unbelievable to see people questioning Kallis and I thought we Indians were fickle minded. Kallis is arguably the best all rounder ever to play the game and now people question his inclusion in ODI side.. hilarious to say the least. I wonder if Kallis was born in India he probably would have been bigger that even SRT given his contribution with both bat and ball. And Regarding their ODI side i wonder demoting kallis to 6 given that he takes his time to settle down is a great idea , I would rather have him open with Amla given that WC in in Australia and two new balls .Solid start will be the need of the hour there and if AB keeps then my side will be : Kallis Amla Du plesis Duminy miller Devilliers Parnell\Peterson Mclaren Steyn Morkel Tahir. with this team we will have mclaren at 8 and have 7 decent bowlers (including kallis and duminy). Also i would like AB to do a role like Dhoni because he is the only player in this SA side who can tear apart opposition in the slog overs.

Posted by   on (December 3, 2013, 18:21 GMT)

Jacques is to SA as Sachin is to Indian cricket. Jacques will choose the time and place when its time to hang up the boots. For the present, he is still in the forefront of SA cricket and rightfully so. And like Sachin for India, Jacques will go down in the annals of SA cricket for generations to come. I can only rebuke those who make references to Jacques as not being a match winner. Cricket is a team sport and any great win or loss is owned by the playing eleven at the moment. No one individual is greater then the game itself. So Jacques, I look forward to you being a productive member of the SA side leading up to the world cup.

Posted by viru-319-219 on (December 3, 2013, 18:19 GMT)

SA can form a very good ODI side building team around Kallis. My 15 for WC 2015 will be 1) DeKock 2)Amla 3)Kallis 4)DeVilliers 5)Duminy 6)DuPlessis 7)Miller 8)McLaren 9)Steyn 10)Morkel 11)Tsotsobe and Reserves are 12) Tahir 13)Parnell 14)Smith and 15) Philander

The starting 11 has 5 Pacers and Duminy is a good spinner and he will do the job in AUS, Tahir can always replace Tsotsobe if required. Smith should be a reserve and Dekock should be persisted with unless he does badly for long periods.

Posted by Kirstenfan on (December 3, 2013, 17:50 GMT)

Why not mention how badly JP Duminy has done, how he has never won a game chasing for SA, as he is the one who should be dropped!

Posted by SurlyCynic on (December 3, 2013, 17:45 GMT)

Faf made few runs so including Kallis instead of him means more runs and an extra bowling option. Doesn't seem too complicated to me.

That leaves McLaren competing with the likes of Parnell, Morkel and Philander for a spot down the order, and they are probably better bowlers. They'll choose McLaren when worried about the batting tail but if Tsotsobe is missing out for any reason then the tail is shorter anyway.

Posted by real_gone_gadd on (December 3, 2013, 17:41 GMT)

Tsotsobe should not be playing ahead of McLaren, Morne Morkel or Philander - that is half the problem right there. Nor should Miller or De Qock really. So in fact the prime side becomes:

Smith, Amla, De Villiers, Du Plessis, Kallis, Duminy, McLaren, Morkel, Philander, Imran Tahir and Steyn ...maybe this is one batter light for an ODI, but with the firepower in the bowling you may not need to bat beyond 7.

Posted by   on (December 3, 2013, 17:41 GMT)

Kallis, the Legend.... the amount of cricket he played... woah... see below figures ( I m comparing with Sachin, another legend)...

Kallis : 19546 First Class Runs + 14820 List A runs + 3517 T20 Runs +(860 Wickets * 20 Runs per wicket) = 55083 pts

Sachin : (25396+21999+2797+(274*20)) = 55672 pts

Wonder if there is anyone who came so close..... another series and Kallis would surpass little master easily... and think of his plans till 2015 WC... can bag another 20000 pts easily.

May be there can be another Sachin, but no chance of another Kallis....

Posted by sachin_equal_to_bradman on (December 3, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

With all respect to this legend, I always feel that he had not won matches single-handedly for SA !!! He is not such a dangerous batsmen... He s a steady batsmen.... In tests he is great but he s not a match winner like SACHIN or LARA or PONTINg or MURALI or WARNE etc..... Greatest all-rounder but not a match winner

Posted by   on (December 3, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

hi iam new here i think they should let Kallis play a match or 2 leaving McLaren for a while don't u guys think so

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