South Africa v India, 2nd ODI, Durban December 8, 2013

Top-order failures creating pressure - Dhoni

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Top-order batting lacked execution - Dhoni

MS Dhoni was satisfied by how his bowlers made a comeback from the pasting in Johannesburg and in the first half of this match, but his batsmen left him disappointed this time. And before you realise, the series is already gone.

India's bowlers leaked 358 at the Wanderers but performed relatively better at Kingsmead to keep South Africa to 280 for 6, after the openers had added 194 in 35 overs.

"If you talk about this particular game, I think the kind of shots we played, a few of them were on, but the execution was not great to some extent as they went to the fielders," Dhoni said. "But compared to the last game, the bowlers did a fantastic job, especially in the middle overs. Overall, I was very happy with the bowling performance because 280 on this wicket was decent. The wicket was on the flatter side, there wasn't much for the fast bowlers, but I was disappointed with the batting."

When asked about the short ball - Ajinkya Rahane was stuck against the bouncers from Dale Steyn and a couple of batsmen fell to short deliveries - Dhoni said there was no such weakness. "I don't think it was the short ball," Dhoni said. "It was more to do with shot selection, the shot execution. This wicket was on the flatter side, and pace was down for the fast bowlers.

"Also when we go outside people talk about the short-pitched bowling, because they know in the subcontinent we are not really used to this kind of bowling, but what we have seen is that you play a few shots and it pays off, then the opposition are in trouble as to where they need to bowl, and that's what really happened in the Champions Trophy. Also at times, when you play those big shots and it doesn't pay off and you end up losing quite a few wickets. That is something we will have to accept because it becomes part and parcel of cricket."

Dhoni said this performance is a one-off. "Well you can consider this as a one-off series," Dhoni said. "Yes we didn't bat really well but it can happen. Especially when you come outside and you see that the middle order is not performing, you may get a bit exposed if you lose early wickets at the top. [In] the last few series our middle order to some extent was a bit of a bother. In this series we lost the top three maybe quite early and our middle order was exposed to some extent. So if you assess that, maybe because of that we haven't been able to perform to our potential, especially in the batting department."

Dhoni said his team still stood a chance to salvage this tour. "It is part and parcel of any series that you play," Dhoni said. "You win quite a few and you lose quite a few. What's important is that you keep learning, and the bowlers learnt from the first game and bowled better in this game. I think as a batting unit also we need to learn quite a few things, and keep going onto the field."

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on December 12, 2013, 2:19 GMT

    what happened to the top order, this is same top order that chased 300+ scores against Australia in India,these batsmen are proving that are lions of subcontinent conditions, but out of that they are just toothless catch,watch out Rohit Sharma who was great form, who recently scored 209 against Australia, was not able to touch Dale Steyn's balls, is that we call form,Indian batsmen who were called fearless by several commentators proved that they are nothing but heroes of homeground

  • on December 11, 2013, 17:06 GMT

    We need Gambhir and Pujara!!

  • on December 11, 2013, 17:02 GMT

    We need Pujara!!

  • kbza86 on December 10, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    Imad K south Africa doesn't have a decent bowling attack, its the best in the world!!! decent is Australia and England...

  • kaathir on December 10, 2013, 12:08 GMT

    I started watching cricket when aus got their second WC CUP. so i am fan of aus rather than india. i was bored and read all the comments, most of them saying all great teams will lose on away matches.

    Well thats true but they never lose without a fight mostly.... are we doing the same thing even though we lose.......... nope not even close.

    We won against Aus on home but we never outclassed them mostly they always very close to victory on par with the series.

    if we blame for no practice matches for this can we really play welllll in Test matches since we have enough practice through one day matches..... nope still we wont be able to deliver.

  • Imad_K on December 10, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    Nikhilesh Kasturi - we are talking about outside the subcontinent on quick, bouncy tracks against decent pace bowling. Look at what happened when India played away against England and Australia. The got utterly thrashed. It was like watching men playing against kids. It is obvious when you see how the Indian batsmen play - they fear pace bowling in these conditions. It has nothing to do with winning or losing or the other 100 excuses the team come out with. The whole world can see what's happening. Obviously Dhoni and the team aren't going to admit that they don't fancy chin music to the other teams and media are they.

  • on December 10, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    @srna seems u r a die-hard yuvi fan & die-hard critic of rohit sharma. so ur comments r understandable. Having said that yuvi is the weak link apart from our bowling. And in batting rohit is the most accomplished technique wise but I think he should have curbed his aggression given v were three down. I think india will pull one back.

  • kbza86 on December 10, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    I think you guysare forgetting something very important here...if you were playing a less potent seam attack than you would of done far better. Dale Steyn:360 wkt in 76 tests at 22- philander:95 wkts in 18 at 17- mokel: 177 wk in 51 at 30....include kallis to that attack. I really do not see too much improvement in the tests to be honest...sorry to say

  • on December 10, 2013, 8:53 GMT

    We all feel that Indians fear fast bowling and cant play short balls bt where the heck are you when Kohli lashed malinga and chades 320+ odd in just 36 overs.The same team won 6 series be4 this series......Guys evry one has a off patch so lets understand that SUPPORT OUR INDIA....Hail Team INDIA....All the best Dhoni Boys n co.I m with u...

  • on December 10, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    History repeats itself once again. The only way India can rewrite history is if they can practise and play on hard tops at home itself. In these days of good technological know-how, why can't we PREPARE AND EMULATE HARD TRACKS in certain high altitute regions of India and let our talented cricketers play at these coaching camps months before going abroad (IPL is not as important - just a circus and money spiner). Further, the BCCI should take scheduling such tours seriously and many practise match practises should be planned, instead into falling prey to the host country time and time again - if the ABOVE PITCH EMULATION IN INDIA is so hard to prepare - I DON'T THINK SO!!!

  • on December 12, 2013, 2:19 GMT

    what happened to the top order, this is same top order that chased 300+ scores against Australia in India,these batsmen are proving that are lions of subcontinent conditions, but out of that they are just toothless catch,watch out Rohit Sharma who was great form, who recently scored 209 against Australia, was not able to touch Dale Steyn's balls, is that we call form,Indian batsmen who were called fearless by several commentators proved that they are nothing but heroes of homeground

  • on December 11, 2013, 17:06 GMT

    We need Gambhir and Pujara!!

  • on December 11, 2013, 17:02 GMT

    We need Pujara!!

  • kbza86 on December 10, 2013, 19:22 GMT

    Imad K south Africa doesn't have a decent bowling attack, its the best in the world!!! decent is Australia and England...

  • kaathir on December 10, 2013, 12:08 GMT

    I started watching cricket when aus got their second WC CUP. so i am fan of aus rather than india. i was bored and read all the comments, most of them saying all great teams will lose on away matches.

    Well thats true but they never lose without a fight mostly.... are we doing the same thing even though we lose.......... nope not even close.

    We won against Aus on home but we never outclassed them mostly they always very close to victory on par with the series.

    if we blame for no practice matches for this can we really play welllll in Test matches since we have enough practice through one day matches..... nope still we wont be able to deliver.

  • Imad_K on December 10, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    Nikhilesh Kasturi - we are talking about outside the subcontinent on quick, bouncy tracks against decent pace bowling. Look at what happened when India played away against England and Australia. The got utterly thrashed. It was like watching men playing against kids. It is obvious when you see how the Indian batsmen play - they fear pace bowling in these conditions. It has nothing to do with winning or losing or the other 100 excuses the team come out with. The whole world can see what's happening. Obviously Dhoni and the team aren't going to admit that they don't fancy chin music to the other teams and media are they.

  • on December 10, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    @srna seems u r a die-hard yuvi fan & die-hard critic of rohit sharma. so ur comments r understandable. Having said that yuvi is the weak link apart from our bowling. And in batting rohit is the most accomplished technique wise but I think he should have curbed his aggression given v were three down. I think india will pull one back.

  • kbza86 on December 10, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    I think you guysare forgetting something very important here...if you were playing a less potent seam attack than you would of done far better. Dale Steyn:360 wkt in 76 tests at 22- philander:95 wkts in 18 at 17- mokel: 177 wk in 51 at 30....include kallis to that attack. I really do not see too much improvement in the tests to be honest...sorry to say

  • on December 10, 2013, 8:53 GMT

    We all feel that Indians fear fast bowling and cant play short balls bt where the heck are you when Kohli lashed malinga and chades 320+ odd in just 36 overs.The same team won 6 series be4 this series......Guys evry one has a off patch so lets understand that SUPPORT OUR INDIA....Hail Team INDIA....All the best Dhoni Boys n co.I m with u...

  • on December 10, 2013, 5:15 GMT

    History repeats itself once again. The only way India can rewrite history is if they can practise and play on hard tops at home itself. In these days of good technological know-how, why can't we PREPARE AND EMULATE HARD TRACKS in certain high altitute regions of India and let our talented cricketers play at these coaching camps months before going abroad (IPL is not as important - just a circus and money spiner). Further, the BCCI should take scheduling such tours seriously and many practise match practises should be planned, instead into falling prey to the host country time and time again - if the ABOVE PITCH EMULATION IN INDIA is so hard to prepare - I DON'T THINK SO!!!

  • on December 10, 2013, 3:25 GMT

    @cpt meanster- Dont u think u r bein a bit too harsh on the boys? You need to give them time. For heavens sake they won you the champions trophy which was held in england (reasonably good seaming conditions) and mind you we kicked off that series by beating south africa. The problem here is the lack of preparation. You cant just arrive on the 2nd or 3rd and play a game on the 5th against the best bowlers on pace friendly wickets. Thats over confidence and complacency at its best. The bcci should have scrapped the series against windies and sent this team atleast 2 weeks early before the series started and included some practice games. You cant blame dhoni and the team. Please give them a break.

  • on December 10, 2013, 2:13 GMT

    We need Sachin's/Dravid's skills to bat on these pitches,but they are gone ,so bring in Pujara.at no.4 that is the only place vacant and a prime necessity now!!!

  • on December 10, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    After playing so well in champions trophy I expected a better performance. I am already thinking about the next world cup, which I always believed we have a good chance to defend it. Looking at this I can't be really optimistic . Little haRd to understand because we played better last time in Sa.

  • srna on December 9, 2013, 22:56 GMT

    I can see only one left hander (yuvi) batsman in our side who is strong on leg side as well, and rohit wants to prove his place in the team that's why he played in India, selectors need to pick dynamic players, like when srikanth was a selector.

  • spot_on on December 9, 2013, 18:50 GMT

    Am I the only person who wants Dravid as Indian batting coach right now.. Wake up BCCI.. Bring back the man and bring back fear in opposition teams..

  • on December 9, 2013, 18:48 GMT

    Rohit & Dhawan played shots as they would do in sub-continent. Most batsmen were unable to adjust to the bounce. Since this was the series decider, the batsmen should have curbed their natural instincts and focused on occupying the crease. About Rahane, the way he faced bouncers from Steyn makes me think if he really belongs at this level. For God's sake, he was trying to pull one when the scoreboard was around 20/3 :-). We could've put a decent fight if the batsmen stayed on and survived the full 50 overs.

  • sheru-sher on December 9, 2013, 18:29 GMT

    @Anand Palwankar man you are the true die-hard Indian fan , like the eternal optimist.I salute you but it appears that you were watching different 1st and 2 nd ODI matches to me . What I saw was fear in the batsmen eyes and desperation in the Indian bowlers It was pathetic cricket . India need to produce quick wickets in India to develop quick bowlers or else don't play cricket outside India. The world is watching and everywhere India goes from now they will be faced with a barrage of quick bowling.

  • sheru-sher on December 9, 2013, 18:23 GMT

    Mr Dhoni . lets face it.Your batsmen are afraid of the good pace bowling .I looked at the expression on Rohit Sharma 's face after he was beaten 3-4 times by Steyn in one over and that said it all. As for the bowling IPL standard bowling on flat tracts by medium pacers and spinners will not cut it . That strong batting lineup that India boasts abouut Rohit, Shikar, Virat ,Yuvraj, Raina,Jageja, and yourself is just weak 20 overs IPL stuff. Welcome to the real cricketing world .Embarrassment awaits you . That's why I say BCCI should arrange all India's matches to be played in India . Dravid, Shewag, Tendulkar , VVS, and Ganguly in their evening years might do better because they were not weaned on sub-standard sub-continent IPL.

  • on December 9, 2013, 18:22 GMT

    They said India Never won ODI series in SA, But they never said that SA Never won ODI Series in INDIA..

    All Comment abt india not batting in overseas and no comments abt others teams failing in india.

    if you say indian pitches are dead and flat tracks n y your teams are not winning matches in dead and flat tracks... go india go wat ever the results our love n support on you will never go

  • on December 9, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    I find it very amusing that Dhoni always blame top order for the defeat but he should not forget that this top order was the main reason of India winning the last 6 series in a row.I must say that it was expected from this batting lineup as they are not used to play against his kind of bowling.There are used to play team like West Indies which is good for nothing.Dhoni should bat up the order as the likes of raina will not score much in this condition as we all know.Dhawan made the same mistake again of playing in the air without settling in as he is used to play like that on Indian pitches.Kohli and Rohit has some mental issues which they need to work it out themselves.Jadeja place is highly debatable.So I find a place for Pujara as no.4 or no.5 and that has to be decided by the team mangement.In the end a lot of things need to be done before the next World cup as you will get a lot of bouncy pitches in there.

  • CricketChat on December 9, 2013, 17:56 GMT

    Let's not insult great performance by SA by calling this a one-off series. This is a test of batting technique and courage and Ind batsmen came up short on this occasion. Simple as that!

  • on December 9, 2013, 16:35 GMT

    Its very easy to blame the players after these defeats but the real culprits are the BCCI .Naturally it takes time to adjust to these conditions but a 3 match series what sense it makes no practice matches but BCCI gets what its concerned about revenue that is . one player change I would want now is Raina to be dropped amd get Rayudu in .He has been given too long a rope , wasnt performing im India too how to do you expect he will perform in SA . With more Exposure this team would get better have full faith im it . I can confidently say India are deservingly no 1 in the format and it has shown that throughout the year before this series and would in the future too just if BCCI has the will.

  • Nampally on December 9, 2013, 16:33 GMT

    Just like there is lack of planning in arranging various tours by BCCI, there is total lack of logic in selection of XI or the squads. ZAK coming back after a long lay off is better suited to build his stamina in an ODI, where he bowls just10 overs. How is he catapulted out of ODI's & into the Tests? Secondly whether Dhoni likes it or not India needs Pujara at #4. Kohli with his suspect footwork relies mainly on hand eye coordination. So on SA pitches he will not be as successful as in India. In the first 2 ODI's had Kohli got behind the ball he would not have edged or even played the balls instead of leave them alone. Pujara gets behind the ball - whether he scores or not, at least his technique suits SA pitches. Ashwin has correct footwork but he is undisciplined & gets out with rash strokes. Rohit is at least trying hard. Raina must leave the wide outside the leg stumps ball alone- He is getting out to them. In a logical selection, India cannot exclude ZAK & Pujara from XI!

  • on December 9, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    The Indian top order has neither the technique nor the ability to compete against the likes of Steyn and Morkel. Players like Rohit and Yuvi not to forget Dhawan are showing that they are nothing better than flat track bullies. If we need to compete well then these things are in order: a) Open with Pujara and Dhawan b)Get Rayudu into the team instead of Rohit c) Persist with Umesh and Shami at the top of the bowling order d)Dhoni needs to bat at 4 and take a little more responsibility.

  • MJ-Sid on December 9, 2013, 15:54 GMT

    Dhoni has shown better batting technique than most of the top order. He now needs to select a better team as well. He has some good options sitting in the dressing room that deserve to be out their and replace the batsmen who are going through a bad patch or have technical issues facing these kind of bowlers in these conditions.

  • on December 9, 2013, 15:45 GMT

    Knowing pretty well the weakness of Raina, Yuvi, and Ishant Sharma, the Selection Committee has selected them for one-dayers. So, there is no surprise with the outcome. But the margin of defeat is difficult to digest.

  • thinkgood on December 9, 2013, 15:23 GMT

    Dhoni is correct. There are 3 week spots in Indian team - 1. Bowling (esp. death bowling) 2. Middle order (Raina/Yuvi/Dhoni/Ashwin) 3.Fragile top order which can collapse in a heap all of a sudden against true pace and bounce in foreign conditions. There is no easy solution for these. We need to look into more options on these areas.

  • on December 9, 2013, 15:19 GMT

    The wickets which fell were due to the shots which they played, they never felt rattled by the short balls. It is completely unfair to expect Indian batsmen to adjust to these conditions in such a short time. We need to understand that by being a No 1 team there is a lot of hate which we generate both due to the economic success and actual success on the field. Our team is much better than what we were a few decades back when we were spineless. As an Indian fan, I would be happy if there is progress.

  • bijuphilip on December 9, 2013, 15:05 GMT

    why pujara was not inthe team and play number 3 position? ,dhoni wants to protect either raina,yuvaraj.don't get me wrong I love both of them,but they can not perform outside india, pujara,raidu,rahana,and manojthiwary should be in the team. raina and yuvi has to go now.

    Irfan pathan should be groomed again for 2015 world cup. umesh yadav is not good for ODI,varunaron and praveen kumar should be considered for 2015 world cup rohit,dawan,pujara,kholi,rayudu,dhoni,jadeja,aswin,irfan,buwikumar,shami,rahana,varunaron,praveenkumar,raina,irsantsharma should be for 2015 worldcup

  • on December 9, 2013, 14:53 GMT

    No worries friends. It will be on track very soon. Sudden complete changes in playing conditions is the problem Indian players are just facing. But I am sure it will be sorted out very soon. BCCI should think it seriously next time how important some practice games are before tour starts. Looking at Indian batting, atleast I didnt find any lack of attitude or technic about Indian batsmen. Shikhar fearless asusual playing his shots and it is his game. When ball passes over the fielders head to boundry we definately appriciate it. Sometimes it happens just opposite. I m sure in coming time he definately send Steyn & co out of rope. Virat too is playing well. 1 or 2 failures is ok for any batsman. Remember he is a player who scored century at WACA, fastest wicket in the world against OZ pace battery. About Rohit, definately he is doing well, reading attack well. Only a bit luck facter he needs. In first he was runout and in second he was caught brillientely. All three batsmen will rock !!

  • on December 9, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    Cheteswar pujara is a perfect package to represent india on such pitches. Give this saurastra lad a go in ODI. He can be a potent wall for indiaa.

  • Prats6 on December 9, 2013, 14:02 GMT

    Unfortunately MSD has got it wrong. The series 'can' be a one off. A loss here and there does not matter, very true. The series loss does not rankle - what matters is the way we have played, its been hopeless. And that's what MSD should be focusing on.

    Please play the 'actual' Test XI in the next ODI, so that they get some match practice

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:58 GMT

    indians got blasted#classic :')

  • ramli on December 9, 2013, 12:49 GMT

    India has chased 300+ runs in 40 overs in Aus before ... so it is not they are not capable ... it is about preparation especially mentally ... just throwing the bat at balls won't help overseas ... facing a good pace attack you need to build an innings, run hard and then counter-attack only when absolutely necessary

  • hanumanthchavala on December 9, 2013, 12:07 GMT

    so when you goto overseas dont over expect yourself without experience on overseas pitches. mine your words even you are a good batsmen some times it proves your attitude. play role and attitude like sehwag sachin ganguly talk less about opposition when they go to overseas. remember that. you have to learn more from overseas pitches dont raise your voice on bowlers because those are not our indian flat pitches to hit tons and tons.

  • on December 9, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    one series loss and fans r at their best to bring in their favourite players back into the fold. Agreed indian top order played shots a too many. As for opening I think shikar-rohit r the best bet & india should stick to it. I don't think rahane has the class to play international cricket[sorry fans]. he seems always under pressure & keep praying god looking at the sky. they way he chased the wide ball seemed he was desperate to get out of blocks. I THINK INDIA WILL PULL ONE -BACK.

  • RMCroos on December 9, 2013, 11:58 GMT

    No Dhoni your team can not face a real pace attack ....How you can say no help for fast bowlers and your 10 wickets gone for fast bowlers...

  • vjwithcricinfo on December 9, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    Give Indians some time as this is the team Dhoni wants for 2015 .. Still long way to go and still many tours to come...Yes, there is a scope to add a fast/medium bowling allrounder (Rishi Dhawan or stuart Binny kind of bowlers) , but still they should be well groomed to face hostile hosts or visitors..Give this young team some reasonable time to learn and master..

  • Naresh28 on December 9, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    Less talk more action is required by some of the Indian players. The other day it was Kholi, today it is Dhoni. Kholi played with pressure yesterday, I hope he learns from this.Dhawan is turning to be a Shewag all over again. Rather just say we played well or badly dont answer questions which invite a comment which cannot be backed. Right now Dhoni knows the bowling is a problem - no use defending it.

  • BounceTrack_BULLY on December 9, 2013, 11:29 GMT

    Its the top three who made huge contributions to the Indian Teams victory. In SA, the middle order got exposed. But they should have scored atleast 200. Its definitely a weak performance.

  • Vipins on December 9, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    @cric-analyst.. i agree that there are extra hype given to Indian cricketers...dats wat is cricket in india....if other nations can not give dat much hype to thier good players..dats their problem....There is a problem of adapting to these conditions and SA has one of the best bowling attacks in the world...So is India's batting line up... practice matches should have been introduced which could have made lot of difference ....its not that India can not play at all here.... India have won the last major ICC trophy in England..in which they defeated all major teams including SA....lets do not get hyper and criticize with two meagre wins...

  • hanumanthchavala on December 9, 2013, 11:00 GMT

    Mr.Dhoni you always talk about top order failure when loss. top order doesnt give solid platform always. some times the new ball hurt the batsmen mostly either he is bradman, ponting, sachin, lara, viv remember that. wakeup from your expectation on middle order and bowling option remove your slaves plz. Last in england you stayed till the end of matches in odi what you get remember that. And even you loss odi series against pak in our country thats why you choose flat pitches for australia our dont have guts to face mitch when wicket supports 40% to bowler. wakeup and support indian bowlers like your fav (jadeja) person he cant do any thing on pace. he cant play matches like yusuf 100 in centurian pich even agarker hundred in lords, mishra 85 in england like that matches.

  • SidJaidev on December 9, 2013, 10:50 GMT

    After back to back matches of attacking every delivery on Indian pitches, Indian batsmen have reflexes that make them go after good deliveries in SA; It's preparation that's lacking. in addition Indian bowlers do not have the same punch and firepower that the SA bowlers have; so net practice would be misleading. Indian batsmen have to learn by facing deliveries from SA bowlers, no other option. Win or loose the top order have to play out Steyn & Co. in the third ODI facing as many balls as possible and gaining some preparation for the test matches. Form wise nothing worrisome for Indian batsmen.

  • Dan_Son on December 9, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    How about acknowledging the quality of the opposition Dhoni?

  • SoyQuearns on December 9, 2013, 10:36 GMT

    @MaksoodChaiwalla "He could have added that once we get back to India we will start scoring big hundreds" + Meaningless hundreds on flat tracks against mediocre opposition. "chase down 350+" only in friendly home conditions, never against proper best in the world fast bowling such as Dale Steyn. "Hit big in the IPL and all will be forgotten... " Really... Really... As lucrative as the IPL is, it's first class cricket at best. Not a real indicator of a nation's sporting prowess.

    If your post was intended as sarcasm I commend you. However if intended as a serious post, it reflects badly on your nations cricketing future.

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:34 GMT

    i feel dhoni should play at no. 4 position while playing in aboard..

  • Taha_Farrukh on December 9, 2013, 10:32 GMT

    lam axuses by Dhoni...i will tell u india r going to White wash and still he think it is on off series can dhoni tell us how many series they have won out side their Cave.... the so called world champ dose not know even how to play on bouncy tracks and the team who scores 350 and chase more then 300 at their home dose not even mange 200 runs..... hehehe i believes in next match india might out bold below 100 runs.... and i guess the 5 day test matches will finish like 3 days test match.....

  • on December 9, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    as a srilankan cricket fan i would like to say, indian cricket team doing really well,we are really impressed with their performance , but fans need to realize that there is a 2 faces available in cricket ....... you can't be a winning team every day, mainly media created such a false hype as they are the cricketting GOD...... come back to real world friends...

  • Alexk400 on December 9, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    First game the excuse was no practice match. Next game also they needed no practice match. What about first one? Was it not practice when u played?.

    I think Dhoni team always have excuses in overseas. Its not as much dhoni its more to do with type of players we have.

    Dawan have never been tested outside india. All his dream run is mostly in india. Dawan showed he had technique to play long now. So its the temparament issue again. Can he play safe and defend for hours not showoff?. Showoff won't work in bouncy pitches when ball hit top part of the bat most times.Rohit sharma recent form is in india. We all know he is nohitsharma. He has technique but he is weak and lazy. Rain in overseas less to said is better. Only kohli has strength , temparament , courage , pride and belief in himself to play steyn & co

    Dhoni gets out fast outswinger outside off stump. If you keep bowling he will knick one. There is nothing else you have to do get dhoni out.

  • Alexk400 on December 9, 2013, 10:13 GMT

    Dhoni , here is the tip. Ask your players hit the gym and do weight lifting. Because the reason indian players not good at short ball or the risk of mishit because indian players never lift bat above chest height. its more of touch. So there is no energy to slam it. Quick movement of bat up to chest , you need strong bicep. Eating dal and doing toning exercize won't cut it. You have to be flexible for fielding so all is necessary but here stop the toning ...do weightlift to improve strength of bicep that way batsman can ready for shortball because he have enough strength to make a safe shot.

    That said this things can not happen overnight , you need to find strong bone structure players or just bend down like Sunil gavasaker did all his life.

  • cric-analyst on December 9, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    It happens when you create so much hipe for ordinary or just ok cricketers indian batsman are good players but indian media and board have created such a false hipe as if they are the sporting GODs.....we have to be realistic... its never easy to play pace bounce and swing..... chasing 350 on flats tracks agaist the midyouker bowling attack does not means you can go in the home of one of the top pace attack in the world and produce goods agaisnt them A white wash is comming to team india's way for those who think otherwise are in a paradise of fools

    surely indian team is flat track bulley and that to when the bowling side is ordinary and weaker

    please stop creating false hipes.....work on the lackings.. or play only at home on flat tracks agaist midyoker blowling attacks and do wonders...dont paly in such hostile conditions or result will worst than this

  • Naresh28 on December 9, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    I watched yesterdays game on TV and we could see that Umesh was matching the SA speeds and even got to 143Kph. Thus Shami, Ishant, Umesh with Zaks are probably the best we have. They will have to try and get better. Its time India invested in a good pace bowling COACH. A foreigner - some of the ones we have had in the past may have given us false hope. Why dont the pace bowlers get drilled in practice to continously land the ball on a spot. With discipline they should be able to do this. We have meagre resources and its time BCCI did something about this.I read of one bowler from the villages who is now playing Ranji(Andhra - Vijaykumar) he once broke a stump bowling. He seems to be doing well taking wickets on Indian pitches and has even being taken up by an IPL team.

  • Shajahan.P on December 9, 2013, 9:42 GMT

    As some on said "sometimes dhoni blames bowlers, sometimes he blames batsmen, sometimes he blames dew factor, sometimes he blames scheduling..."

    When he will say "All credits go to the opponent, They deserve to win this Game"...

    Dhoni should accept his failure in Overseas and present it. You can not buy a pitch there and play against international bowlers.

  • MaksoodChaiwalla on December 9, 2013, 9:32 GMT

    Dhoni said this performance is a one-off. "Well you can consider this as a one-off series," Dhoni said. He could have added that once we get back to India we will start scoring big hundreds, chase down 350+. Hit big in the IPL and all will be forgotten...

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    dhoni shouldnt keep supporting his bowlers so much... india needs class bowlers,they r always way below par in oversea conditions

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    I think the fans and experts are over reacting. This is the first time Indian top order is playing on these bouncy SA pitches and they slipped in 2 matches. THAT IS IT. 2 innings only. any one who has played any sort of cricket would tell you Batting is alot about muscle memory, thats why you practice a shot day in day out so when a Steyn bowls a 140KMPH bouncer you dont think just react to the ball. Now look at where the Indian batsmen are batting for last 1 year, its all in India. 2014 will provide alot of opportunities for these batsmen to play abroad on fast pitches. I would judge them after 2014 , give them a fair trail before you pronounce them guilty. Its very easy to say Kohli is not moving his feet, but the fact is with this technique he was scoring runs and winning matches. Now situation has changed so he should adapt, how quickly he does that is the real skill.

  • on December 9, 2013, 9:19 GMT

    it was gud cricket from south africa...india team only play gud cricket in there home grounds ...but once they tour abroad they cant play in fast and bouncy tracks. India ... The top order just forgot the art of run gathering ... they were simply in a hurry (guess why?) ... did not learn from how dekock and Amla milked the bowling by merely taking singles and occasional boundaries ... The middle order batsmen played a lot better than the top order ... getting behing the line of the ball and striking ... if only the top order had shown some sense!!!??? Let us see what excuse comes in next match

  • ketaann on December 9, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    i wonder why people say good batting unit to indian line-up. Infact they does not produce any remarkable performance since departure of great players outside india. This unit even struggled against pak

  • cricwar4184 on December 9, 2013, 9:02 GMT

    I expected that india will loose this ODI series but not in this way. I thought at least india put some fight. But, strange. They just mentally feared by Stayn & Co. Remember the last visit, our team atleast fought. still remember Patan century in the last ODI and Munna's deapt bowling. aah what happend yaar.

  • on December 9, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    Ground conditions in Pakistan and Srilanka are similar to India. However they have consistently produced quality pacers and batsmen who play fast bowlers well.

    BCCI has reduced Indian cricketing to farcical standards by producing substandard wickets (not normal Indian wickets). genuine pacers (Like Ishant, Umesh, Aaron) are allowed to rot away and more chance is given to slower bowlers (like vinay).

    Secondly Fast bowlers are the only part of a cricket team that are required to be fit and athletic. For spinners and batsmen it is more a choice than anything else. You only need to look at fat star batsmen like Yuvi and Shewag to realize that battling is more of a hand-eye coordination activity rather than athletic fitness. India has never been a country known for its ( or promote) athleticism. Our culture demotes athleticism. (Remember any Indian athlete winning an olympic medal) . No wonder we fair so badly when it comes to fast bowling and playing genuine fast bowlers.

  • anupkeni on December 9, 2013, 8:42 GMT

    South Africa might dismiss India for under 50 in test matches as the have done to Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan, unless India improve their batting.

  • Rufus_Fuddleduck on December 9, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    @Richard Davis, you hit it on the head. South Africa remain the only team not to lose in Australia and India for probably a decade (off the top of my head). Their adaptability - not whining about food and asking for Momma - is unquestioned. Against that, the Indian team drew the last two series when they weren't expected to... now that's saying something. Dhoni's luck may just have run out with this team who are either some distance away from being good, or some time away.

  • mqry on December 9, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    LOL @ Dhoni.. who created pressure on the top order by allowing the opposition to score so many runs? Dhoni doesnt know how to captain on bouncy seaming tracks. Everytime his batsman cant score 300-350 runs

  • MelbourneMiracle on December 9, 2013, 8:23 GMT

    If India had enough time to practice before the matches, they would've hammered SA. SA are just fast track bullies. SA must learn than Cricket is batsmen game and they should make flat tracks to help the batsmen to tear the bowlers apart. Bowlers are there in the game only to get hammered. No wonder BCCI reduced the number of matches because SA is doing injustice to the batsmen by producing fast, bouncy tracks where great players like Dhawan and Rohit cannot score hundreds. ICC should take immediate action against SA. Yes Dhawan and Rohit are good on England wickets but India should bring in Shewag and Gambir on SA wickets to tear Steyn and Co. apart. Jai Hind!

  • ramli on December 9, 2013, 8:10 GMT

    India ... The top order just forgot the art of run gathering ... they were simply in a hurry (guess why?) ... did not learn from how dekock and Amla milked the bowling by merely taking singles and occasional boundaries ... The middle order batsmen played a lot better than the top order ... getting behing the line of the ball and striking ... if only the top order had shown some sense!!!??? Let us see what excuse comes in next match

  • InformedOpinion on December 9, 2013, 7:57 GMT

    @backwardpoint and @Gaurav Sharma: Very rational comments! Congrats and kudos to keep your sanity :-)

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:53 GMT

    With the one sided tour games ,the Ashes has been White washed , there has been a trend that the touring side has been White washed by the Home side. With the competitiveness of Cricket is at stack I think the ICC should set a standard on the pitches and monitor that the pitches favour both the sides for a good game. Or we will be seeing the game loosing its popularity in near future.

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    @Cric_Fan94

    SA has not lost a test series away from home for almost 8 years now. So, when it comes to getting bat on ball in the sub-continent, I believe they do that pretty well.

    As for your issues with DE Kocks batting... I think you should have a closer look at his individual wagonwheel... you might be interested to see his distribution is fairly even.

    Me, personally, I would have 6 of him in my team than even one of India's batsment. Talk about a joke... they couldn't even get a 200 COMBINED.

  • Boopathy22 on December 9, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    Middle order is a big issue for India. But have faith in dhoni , he will do some magic as he had done in the past..

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:31 GMT

    We Should select Pujara for the ODIs also He Can Stabilise the middle order like Dravid did for us for decades. He is a Class Player if he stabilised innings with Kohli or others Captanl Cool Play a innings what Jp and Ab Playing together in First ODI.So Selection of Pujara can give some hope for the Indian ODI Team.......

  • InformedOpinion on December 9, 2013, 7:08 GMT

    To everyone who's joined bashing the Indian batting and team in general, please take a look at what's happening on the other side of the globe in the Ashes series. An excerpt from the scorecard about the dismissal of Cook: "144.2 kph, short ball, Cook hooks and gets a top edge, long leg comes in and takes a tumbling catch!" My point: quality fast bowling causes issues for all! The effects multiply for someone who's not faced such stuff ever. There's no excuse for a professional, but one has to be realistic with expectations. Remember the adage: Champions are not born, grit, determination, sweat and blood combine to make what we see as a "Champion". Have faith, people. To the gentleman saying that playing 100 ODIs is experience enough, please give yourself a break. Every rational fan would know that in Cricket, conditions matter a lot (read pace, bounce, turn, dew etc). Even Steve Waugh's invincible's lost at their peak on turners in India!

  • on December 9, 2013, 7:02 GMT

    I will judge the Indian team after tests.ODI's should be treated as warm-ups.If they could pull-off a test win then it will be a great achievement.....Finger's Crossed..

  • on December 9, 2013, 6:59 GMT

    Indian bowling let them down at first place there is no good FAST bowler there and secondly y all the batsmen are in a hurry why they donot graft innings.

  • backwardpoint on December 9, 2013, 6:58 GMT

    Yes. Pujara is a good bet and can be given a chance...

    BUT tell you what? I will rather discount the ODI and T20's and the entire hit and giggle tournaments... Pay the test matches players more and make them feel more genuinely proud... and treat them like prized posessions. Treat them like a Raina or a Jadeja (or Kohli / Yuvraj too?) and make them play every ODI / T20 and you risk losing their skills too and very quickly we will have no test batting capability.

    We have already almost lost Bhuvanesh Kumar this way. He seemed like a good test bowler and BCCI is quickly denting his confidence. And he will start bowling defensively rather than set a batsman up. 'Nuff said.

  • NareshPodi on December 9, 2013, 6:53 GMT

    Every country has its own strengths and advantage of being host. Our Indian strength is Batting pitches and SA's is bouncy pitches. When the same SA bowlers were played in INDIA, they felt the same heat.

    It is not the problem with Indian players, but the schedule(BCCI). To recover on foreign pitches, it takes some time to adjust, BCCI did't given that time.

    Failures happens sometimes, we need to accept and move on. We should not judge based on 1 or 2 matches.

    As expected, Dhoni talks diplomatically and throws onto the top order. But what about Raina and himself?

  • Jacobchikku on December 9, 2013, 6:24 GMT

    India need a technically sound player in the line up, and for chasing a total like 280 someone need to play the anchor role, better we let Pujara get a taste of ODIs and groom him for the anchor role for the 2015 world cup in Australian pitches.

  • CRIC_FAN94 on December 9, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    Everyone is bashing that India has flat pitches and turning wickets and we should start preparing fast wickets, but why should we prepare fast wickets?does the Aus,SA,Eng prepare spin wickets? We should curse BCCI for not preparing more square turners as the players from SA,aus ,eng cant put the bat on to the ball. BCCI is more worried for the money as the tests will complete in 8 sessions and it will hit the broadcasters.

  • on December 9, 2013, 6:22 GMT

    This guy can only complain and pass the buck. As a captain he needs to stand up and take the blame. When the bowlers were all over the place did he come up even once and talk to them ? He is just a lucky but a lousy captain. Period.

  • on December 9, 2013, 6:18 GMT

    ohh come on give me a break plz !! When they lost against END & AUS overseas they said bcoz of some senior players were in decline of their form. After winning Champions trophy at slow & low pitches and most of the games affected by rain they said this team will change their away records. Now they have excuse of inexperienced batting line up. Apart from Dhawan there is not a single batsman with almost 100 games. How can someone still inexperienced after playing 100 games. Lame Lame Lame !!

  • CRIC_FAN94 on December 9, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    @Debajyoti Choudhuri Have you seen the match mate? No one in the team is uncomfortable of playing Sa bowling,they just thrown it away with bad shot selection. Rohit's 209 is fluke? Do you know how much it takes to score 209 and why cant the other players touring india cant score double century where the pitch is same for everyone. Dont judge players with one or two matches.If you see Dekock scored century in two matches,it doesnt make him great player as he cant even score on offside ,converting everything on to legside and once he gets face some quality fast bowling of Aus,i bet you cant even score 100 runs combined throughout the series.

  • on December 9, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    Raina is probably the most consistent player in this team in that he is consistent at disappointing. Can never understand how he can get this long a rope with no questions on his place in the team even by the media. Play Rayudu instead!

  • sachin_vvsfan on December 9, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    Guys lets not overreact. Give the players some time.We should go with 7+4 combo. Give enough chances to Rahane. May be as opener and move Rohit to 4. And bring back DK. No need of two spinners in Jadeja/Ashwin. Jadeja is better bowler than Ashwin but Ashwin is a better attacking batsman than Jadeja.

    @rocket123 But Its the same flat track for your Pak then why didn't they win the WC? At least we win on flat tracks better than SL and Pak.

  • jimbond on December 9, 2013, 5:57 GMT

    No sense in jettisioning Bhuvaneshwar Kumar after just one bad match. He happens to be the only bowler who can get Dhoni an initial breakthrough- which is essential for India to win any match. why hasn't Dhoni learnt that Ishant sharma can never get wickets. I have never seen any bowler at the international level who is as incapable of taking wickets-as Ishant Sharma. As the series is anyway lost, Dhoni should take a gamble with Rayudu, afterall he cannot be worse than what the Indian batsmen are playing.

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:50 GMT

    I think many people are over-reacting about India's weakness...The results have shown otherwise...but I dont think India is playing bad cricket...they have now atleast 3 bowlers who can consistently bowl above 138kmph...which is good pace...they have the batsmen who have the skill...as Dhoni said,"its just one of those series that India underperformed"..To be very honest...If India play their best cricket,they can easily beat south africa anywhere in any conditions in any format...remember what happened before the 2007 ICC world cup in west indies??...Australia lost 3-0 to new zealand..the so called cricket experts were constanly critical of the abilities of that wonderfull unit...Australia eventually went on to win the world cup by thrashing all the opponents that was before them in that world cup...the sad part is that many people have rather short memories...they judge a team or a player on how they performed most recently...which is not the right way to go...

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:41 GMT

    this indian team doesn't deserve to be number 1. period. my rating 1.aus 2.eng 3.ind 4.rsa 5.pak 6.sl

  • Johnny_129 on December 9, 2013, 5:40 GMT

    India's batting is not as inept as the world would have you believe. On any tour a team needs to acclimatise and adapt to new conditions. India has played at home a lot recently and the talented new players need time in the middle. To come good. In a way it is good that the ODI's have come first - maybe a better performance in the test matches will shut the naysayers up. However, the team needs to work hard and also work smart. They require outside help because the experience is missing - We can not expect Dhoni to guide young batsman. A Dravid or SRT would have been good.

  • Rufus_Fuddleduck on December 9, 2013, 5:33 GMT

    Is Virat Kohli the new Vinod Kambli??? Wonder....

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    I think problem what Indian batsmen has 10 years back,, still the same story on bouncy pitches,,,,This is the problem when you have flat pitches at home,,, you are exposed and your footwork ,,technique and mindset is tested,,,,

  • Rufus_Fuddleduck on December 9, 2013, 5:22 GMT

    Isn't it just like the nineties - India calls everyone at home and drubs them, goes outside and immediately starts limping .... in fact in those days the bowling used to do a half-decent job. Its actually worse now

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    sometimes dhoni blames bowlers, sometimes he blames batsmen, sometimes he blames dew factor, sometimes he blames scheduling...it's about time he owns up that the indian superstars are highly over-rated....at best they are a mediocre bunch of players

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:16 GMT

    dhoni needs to promote himself but that doesnt compensates india's weakness to pace and bounce.the conditions in RSA seems to be alien to most of them and it has always been if we luk at history. hail india....bst f luk for tests..:)

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    Indian batting is not performing as well as in home conditions that's means Indian batting unit is not a great as we are expecting.so Indian need to think about their bowling as well as betting.because Indian batting fail to play hole 50 over in both matches and south fail to score 250+ in 8 ings againest pakistan I think in the second ODI they score 260 and they lose the game which prove that how poorly indian bowlors are perform or how poor indian bowing are.So I feel that indain is champion at home only.

  • on December 9, 2013, 5:05 GMT

    Dhoni now must admit that his team is no where capable beyond playing in the country on flat tracks. He should understand that he himself along with virat Kohli are the only two batsmen who looks comfortable on these pitches. Rohit Sharma's 209 again proves to be a fluke after his problems against the genuine pace attacks of the proteas. Dhawan is as usual an overhyped Indian cricketer. Jadeja, Raina (who perhaps is still learning to come to terms in the international arena) has always proved to be a good for nothing. Our pace attack, as usual, is a handicapped one. The best attack India ever had was during the 2003 WC with Zak, Srinath, Nehra operating together.

  • GRVJPR on December 9, 2013, 5:03 GMT

    Dhonis is absolutely Right. The First ODI was really like a first practice game on a tour. Difficult to adjust. 2nd ODI there were too many soft dismissals. Few fans are overreacting here. Indian got out to Long Hops rather than so called short balls. It happens. If there are 10 continuous ODIs between these teams India will surely win 6 or 7 of the. SA might have won this series but they are far away from winning the world cup.

  • umbuly on December 9, 2013, 4:41 GMT

    Surprised Dhoni says that bowlers did well. The first wicket fell at 194. Is that his standard at this level ? Dhoni should now seriously support Pujara to be inducted into ODI to fix exactly the problem he has highlighted here.

  • on December 9, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    Can anyone bowl. Indian bowlers are weak no shoulder they can't hit the wicket hard and the bowl like school kids. Unfortunately Indians have love affair only with batsman. They are useless on lively track.

  • Gurudumu on December 9, 2013, 4:29 GMT

    The schedule did have a part to play in this poor showing, but the batsman are playing as if they are on sub-continental pitches! Look at Dhawan's dismissals, and you will see that he is not factoring in the bounce of SA pitches! Rohit -- aah - never seen anybody play and miss so many balls yet lady luck smiles on him for that long. Hope he comes good in the next game.

  • Bladerunners on December 9, 2013, 4:27 GMT

    This is surprising excuse from a guy like dhoni.i thought he would say somthing like the wicket was getting harder to bat on in the 2nd innings.unfortunately he could not blame the bowlers this time which is ovious.

  • chokkashokka on December 9, 2013, 4:13 GMT

    world cricket is now basically reduced to the home team producing wickets to suit as much their skills but also to suit the weakness of the visiting team. What a sport - god bless

  • zagar on December 9, 2013, 3:55 GMT

    India must be regretting not agreeing to the first itinerary of 7 ODIs. The way they are improving with each game, they would have had a very good chance of winning the 7th game and at least not have the series tarnished as a total loss.

  • drnaveed on December 9, 2013, 3:51 GMT

    SA score of 280/6 at Kingsmead on a wet and slow outfield ,which was as good as the amount of runs SA scored the other day i.e. 358. yes , they were on course for plenty more in this match ,but were held back by the tight Indian bowling in the second half of their innings. it is a short series , so the Indian champs of homeland don't have much time to adjust for the remaining matches of this particular tour.

  • drnaveed on December 9, 2013, 3:51 GMT

    SA score of 280/6 at Kingsmead on a wet and slow outfield ,which was as good as the amount of runs SA scored the other day i.e. 358. yes , they were on course for plenty more in this match ,but were held back by the tight Indian bowling in the second half of their innings. it is a short series , so the Indian champs of homeland don't have much time to adjust for the remaining matches of this particular tour.

  • vivekjagan on December 9, 2013, 3:41 GMT

    unless india create pitches like in sa ,australia these results ll continue. and also give training to fast bowlers maintain fitness and make them continue with the 140+ pace.definitely india will struggle in wc2015 if no measures are taken

  • on December 9, 2013, 2:43 GMT

    Bring goutham gambir into the squad..

  • likeintcricket on December 9, 2013, 2:33 GMT

    I like Dhoni's comment and I believe India has got the batting to better SA but the ranking system is false. All the top teams are good enough to beat each other in certain conditions. India and SA are no different but Dhoni should try to bat first and pressure SA. He has to show confidence in his bowling.

  • BnH1985Fan on December 9, 2013, 1:51 GMT

    I think Dhoni is wrong -- while away, no matter in what country, India just does not "win quite a few" ..

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on December 9, 2013, 1:19 GMT

    dissoppointing performance, had india played 2 odi PRATICE matches, result would have been different. Deeply dissappointed but this happens to any team, SA lost to pak 2-1 at HOME. pak lost to SA 4-1 at UAE

  • JustOUT on December 9, 2013, 1:18 GMT

    haha. I don't see those Team India fans who were all over cricinfo praising their paper tigers. If this is the case of Team India with WHITE ball, LOL... just thinking about how these paper tigers will be dancing for Steyn, Philander & Morkel with the RED ball in TEST against the NO.1 test team in the world.. Again and Again it has been proved that Team India cannot play well apart from INDIA, SRILANKA, to some extent WI. Next 12 months will be an absolute comedy as Team India travels to NZ,ENG,AUS.. Can't stop laughing.. LOL!!!!

  • Al_Bundy1 on December 9, 2013, 1:13 GMT

    Kohli didn't want to give a chance to Rasool in the last ODI match against Zimbabwe because he wanted to win 5-0 and give a chance to Jadeja to play in the middle. How's that working out for you, Mr. Kohli? Did you seriously think thrashing Zimbabwe bowlers all over the park will help you against South Africa bowlers??

  • Guduji71 on December 9, 2013, 1:01 GMT

    This Indian batting side mountain of the runs in India and Zero outside India or Sub continent. How can we call themselves No. 1 after this. I believe Indian batting side is poorer than New Zealand, Pakistan, WI, Sri Lanka out side the Sub continent.

  • on December 9, 2013, 0:57 GMT

    Why cant Dhoni push himself up the order for the 3rd ODI and see if we can make some differences?

  • rappedonthepads on December 9, 2013, 0:57 GMT

    There has been definite quantitative improvement from the 1st game. From a 144 run margin in the first ODI, last night was a meager 134.

  • on December 9, 2013, 0:43 GMT

    Being proven how over-rated a player Virat Kholi is. Outside of India the lad simply isn't the messiah he's made out to be. Pujara should be the one basking in the plaudits Kholi receives. Not to mention he drops absolute dollies rather frequently. Great player in India, average outside. Much all these recent Indians. Dhoni aside of course.

  • mensan on December 9, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    2nd thrashing in 2 games!! Looks like #5 ranked SA has warmed up really well by playing #6 ranked Pakistan (that's what SA-PAK series was dubbed by fellow Indian fans - a warm-up). So well that they have made India look an embaressed # 1. A 3-0 drubbing awaits.

  • nareshgb1 on December 9, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    Dear Dhoni - why have you abandoned your plan to build Raina as an alternative to Yuvi for the no 4 spot? Is it because Yuvi has (conveniently?) proved that actually no alternative is needed (cause he probably is not first - or second choice - anyway), or is it because we are not playing the sub-continent anymore?

  • Cpt.Meanster on December 9, 2013, 0:22 GMT

    I think the time has come for MSD to speak frankly to Indian supporters. He must admit his players are NOT GOOD enough to play overseas in bouncy conditions against top class fast bowlers. Enough with beating around the bush. This is getting pathetic and embarrassing. I used to get angry when non-Indian cricket lovers used to call Indian batsmen as 'flat track bullies'. I guess they weren't wrong in doing so. Indians are indeed flat track bullies because they play well at home and fail miserably overseas. This pitch was an easy one yet Indians batted poorly like minnows. The time for honesty has come yet again. Dhoni is providing too many excuses. Indian team is NOT worthy of a no. 1 title. They are incapable to play in testing conditions. a 2-0 whitewash is awaiting them in the test series, not before they get whitewashed 3-0 in the ODI series. Thank you BCCI, thank you for sparing these guys from an even bigger embarrassment by scheduling a short tour.

  • mensan on December 9, 2013, 0:03 GMT

    2nd thrashing in 2 games!! Looks like #5 ranked SA has warmed up really well by playing #6 ranked Pakistan (that's what SA-PAK series was dubbed by fellow Indian fans - a warm-up). So well that they have made India look an embaressed # 1. A 3-0 drubbing awaits.

  • dizza on December 8, 2013, 23:30 GMT

    Consider this as one off series? ? We know this happens every time India travelout of subcontinent. Sri lanka won one day series twice in aus and once in SA In last 3 years. India lost in aus england and SA every single visit I last 3 years. One off hay!!!

  • Dhanno on December 8, 2013, 23:23 GMT

    well ofcourse this is going to be one off series. we can have series against SL BAN, WI at home after this.. 6-7 series of 7 matches each.. and we can win them all.. so ya this is one off occurrence this loss mr.dhoni

  • BigDataIsAHoax on December 8, 2013, 23:19 GMT

    I agree with Dhoni. Just good cricket by SA in conditions they know well. The Indian team did not have any match practice whatsoever leading into the ODI series and even between the 1st and 2nd ODI. So the SA heavily outweighed India in terms of preparation. Our top three did not click this match. But, you expect that. They can't always keep getting big runs. Middle order needs to be repaired for good. Raina has to go. He is a brilliant fielder. But, won't last in foreign conditions EVER. Keeping an eye on the 2015 WC, Raina has to be replaced. Rayudu may be? Think he is brilliant on the field! If we look at the recently concluded Pakistan SA series, the difference was Pakistan's bowling attack. Ashwin is overrated. He is only capable against average players of spin bowling in Indian conditions. Nothing like Ajmal. So, yeah short series. No practice matches. Move on. We won the Champions trophy in England. Our top 3 owned the stage there. They have quality. Let's prepare for the WC.

  • on December 8, 2013, 22:20 GMT

    how can u say that its a one off series when india lost against australia and in england when they toured last time so when ever u loose u just gona say its a one off. last time dohni blamed the bowling now his blamed the batting when is he going to realise that india are only good on home grounds or on dead wickets where the ball doesnt get much higher then the knees people like kholi and co thrive on those pitches and bowlers like ashwin viny kumar think that they are world beaters

  • rocket123 on December 8, 2013, 22:02 GMT

    Lets remember that great teams of WI and Aus lost matches abroad but not w/o putting up a good fight. And most of the time they used to win regardless of conditions. Pakistan though not the greatest team but under the steely leadership of Imran Khan never lost the test series to WI either home or in WI (the best and one of the greatest teams in 136 years of cricketing history). India remains an ordinary team. ICC rankings are as meaningless as they can be. For example, Tendulkar may not have been the No.1 batsman in ICC rankings but he was one of the best. In the same manner, Amla is or is not No.1 batsman he is a class above. So sorry team India, you are an avg team not very good, excellent and for that matter invincible like the greats of WI and Aus.

  • VickGower on December 8, 2013, 21:58 GMT

    Let's just say Dhoni is being charitable. It was basically the top order that won India the champions trophy, Aus/WI series. The middle order and bowlers have been passengers for a LONG time. I thought this was supposed to be a team sport. I understand Dhoni is trying not to pile on on the bowlers. But it is unfair to be critical of the one unit that has been carrying the team consistently. I mean, the unit will have off days and off series.

  • MossK on December 8, 2013, 21:37 GMT

    One-off? I wonder if the same comments were made about the series if India was up 2-0? Take accountability Mr Dhoni. Acknowledgement is the first step towards getting better. If you don't even acknowledge there is a problem, how will the problem go away?

  • here2rock on December 8, 2013, 21:14 GMT

    Interesting comments by Dhoni. There were too many tactical errors by Dhoni, first by picking the side more suited to Indian conditions rather than South African conditions. Second by winning the toss and batting again, he needs to have faith in the bowlers. Third, he left too many gaps in the fields when India did not get early wickets. You can not keep attacking when things are not going your ways. There were too many easy singles. You need to have fielders in the ring early to pick wickets other ways rather than just relying on slip cordon. India just did not create the pressure. Taking off Yadav early after just two overs does not make sense, he was bowling Ok but no confidence shown by the captain.

  • rocket123 on December 8, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    WC 2011 (a flat track bully) and CT 2013 was as big a fluke as it was WC 1983. I have been a big fan of Dravid and Ganguly. Dravid, the wall who always came to rescue India abroad. Ganguly, who instilled spine in Indian Cricket otherwise players like Dravid could have been a waste.

    Right now, expose these Indians to a pacey attack anywhere and they would fold. Look at Pakistan, it performed better than so called WC 2011 and CT 2013 despite the fact on papaer they do not have players like Virat.

    Sorry India, your team is the same it used to be prior to Dravid and Ganguly eras.

  • on December 8, 2013, 21:00 GMT

    indian cricket teams true colors shown in south Africa and will be truly tsted in the other overseas conditions very very dissapointed like all the other fans.. hope the team performs well in th tough conditions

  • Biggest_Cricket_Fan on December 8, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    In olden days, players used to read what comes in the news paper about the game played on earlier day and understand how did they do that day. I agree the standards of writers have gone down and hence this source of information May may not be available for players these days, but then it's important to make some self retrospective study and try to overcome those problems. Players like Raina, Yuvi have 200+ plus games each! but still not able to correct their game against short pitched bowling. I think Rohit is also going the same way. He is flat track bully who is overpriced in India. We all saw how did "play" Steyn and company in both games. It was not Dhawan who was trying to "rotate" or shall we say Run away from the strike as pointed out in one of the article few days back but it was RS who was doing it in two matches. Feel sorry for Rahane for getting poor umpire decision.

  • Naresh28 on December 8, 2013, 20:44 GMT

    Lets get Rishi Dhawan in the team, he is tall, handy fielder and bowler.

  • msdhoni123 on December 8, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    There is going to be a lot of Indian fans going against this team now. Just remember India won 6 series on a trot including the CT. and India lost one series and everyone says this players can't perform. We got exposed badly by Steyn nd co but which team hasn't. Pakistan got shot out for under 50 runs on first game they played, even Australia got shot out for under 50. Likes of hussey,clarke and ponting whose brought up on a fast bowling pitch. Like dhoni said this is a one off series. Im sure India is going to learn from this and perform much better in the last ODI and test. Plus the got Newzealand and England series coming up.facing steyn and co will definately prepare them for that series.

  • on December 8, 2013, 20:38 GMT

    hehehehehe come on now, its known to all that you cant play bouncy

  • Unomaas on December 8, 2013, 20:30 GMT

    I hope you do salvage the tour MS because SA and Indian fans have so much emotion, pride and expectations invested in this tour that it would be a shame to dissapoint us! You going to have to show some spine and guts for the next match or you going to be slaughtered in the test matches!

  • AH_USA on December 8, 2013, 20:27 GMT

    After the 1st wicket fell cheaply, why did MSD not promote himself to either #3 or #4? He could have come early and helped stabilize the batting. He is an experienced campaigner and the captain as well, and therefore, should have been able to keep one end occupied and helped his batsmen gain confidence. This is what Imran Khan used to do in his last 4-5 years as a captain.

  • manizee on December 8, 2013, 20:22 GMT

    Dhoni stop beating about the bush. Indian media likes to overhype you guys and you start believing those exaggerations before reality brings you crashing down. The truth is that you guys are just not good enough. The ratings system needs to be reworked or it's gonna become a joke like cricket in India.

  • hb1970 on December 8, 2013, 20:20 GMT

    Cannot muster even 150. Maybe an extended Pakistan ODI series would have been more interesting.

  • on December 8, 2013, 20:05 GMT

    I aint worried about the batting. Bad results do come in between stupendous ones. In the first ODI, Rohit was very unluckily runout and Raina got a freak throw from the deep to be runout too. Had those two not happened, India were in with a good chance to threaten 358.

    Yuvraj has correctly been shunted out. Two things I still feel need to be changed in Indian cricket

    1. Dhoni for me must be left out. He is destroying the career of India's best WK/ Batsman by far, Dinesh Karthick.

    2. Ajinkya Rahane should be India's regular opener along with Shikhar, and Raina must be culled in a game or two to play Pujara here and there. Rohit, Virat 3 and 4.

    Also I feel Robin Uthappa deserves to be brought back in the mix !

    My batsmen for ODIs

    1. Shikhar 2. Ajinkya 3. Rohit 4. Virat 5. Raina / Pujara 6. Dinesh 7. Robin

  • CricIndia208 on December 8, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    Who cares for this Mickey Mouse bilateral series. India are the World Champions and the winners of the Champions Trophy.

  • Bala74 on December 8, 2013, 19:56 GMT

    Dhoni is trying evade the issue, which is that Indian batsmen are not comfortable playing genuine pace. Dhoni; ples understand that this is not an one-off series failure, where things aren't clicking but a more systemic issue with Indian cricket. In the past Sachin, Rahul, Sehwag, VVS etc had masked the issue, but they are no longer available and we're once again vulnerable. If Dhoni doesn't address the issue swiftly, India will be badly exposed in the 2015 WC.

  • Nampally on December 8, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    Dhoni says "You win quite a few & lose quite a few"! But India consistently lose on overseas pitches. Their wins are non existent. It was gutless batting with poor footwork in ODI 2. After England & Australian tour White wash, Indians have learnt nothing. They keep making the same mistakes. Ashwin showed what footwork can do when he moved his feet, got on top of Steyn's rising ball & cover drove it for 4. On the other hand Kohli never got behind the ball & poked at the ball going away after pitching outside the off stump. He did the same in ODI 1.Rahane flashed at a wide ball (2' outside) & got caught(?) & Ashwin tried a cross bat pull of Steyn's ball 18" outside the off & got caught behind. Dhoni himself got caught with bad footwork. Leading batsmen for a world #1 team need to use their feet! With absolute lack of footwork amongst its batsmen, keeping Pujara (with best footwork) out from ODI's XI defies Logic! Experienced ZAK is needed to eliminate openers before 50 runs Not 194!

  • mzm149 on December 8, 2013, 19:35 GMT

    Flat track bullies, featherbed centurions and medium pace trundlers coming to reality. Now I get it why are there just 3 ODIs instead of 7 and why are there just 2 tests instead of 3. 5-0 looks better than 10-0 and it doesn't affect delusional ranking.

  • glen1 on December 8, 2013, 19:20 GMT

    Yes, the one-day series is a preparation for the Tests, as this is the only option to prepare. This team is going to be judged by their performance in Tests. At the recent Champions Trophy, at a neutral venue, they beat out the World and are World Champions, nothing to take away there. Dhoni should drop Ashwin and bring Ojha for surprise for the Tests. Pujara and Rohit in middle order will strengthen the team. Zak, Shami, Bhuvi and Ishant / Yadav or three of the four will provide sufficient fast bowling.

  • Nutcutlet on December 8, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    First its the bowlers who didn't deliver, now it's the batsmen. Who will it be after game 3? Just maybe India is getting outplayed on all fronts in their preferred form of format cricket & the team overall doesn't measure up to a superb & well-drilled SA unit. I always think that India is like fine wine - neither travels well.

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  • Nutcutlet on December 8, 2013, 19:03 GMT

    First its the bowlers who didn't deliver, now it's the batsmen. Who will it be after game 3? Just maybe India is getting outplayed on all fronts in their preferred form of format cricket & the team overall doesn't measure up to a superb & well-drilled SA unit. I always think that India is like fine wine - neither travels well.

  • glen1 on December 8, 2013, 19:20 GMT

    Yes, the one-day series is a preparation for the Tests, as this is the only option to prepare. This team is going to be judged by their performance in Tests. At the recent Champions Trophy, at a neutral venue, they beat out the World and are World Champions, nothing to take away there. Dhoni should drop Ashwin and bring Ojha for surprise for the Tests. Pujara and Rohit in middle order will strengthen the team. Zak, Shami, Bhuvi and Ishant / Yadav or three of the four will provide sufficient fast bowling.

  • mzm149 on December 8, 2013, 19:35 GMT

    Flat track bullies, featherbed centurions and medium pace trundlers coming to reality. Now I get it why are there just 3 ODIs instead of 7 and why are there just 2 tests instead of 3. 5-0 looks better than 10-0 and it doesn't affect delusional ranking.

  • Nampally on December 8, 2013, 19:41 GMT

    Dhoni says "You win quite a few & lose quite a few"! But India consistently lose on overseas pitches. Their wins are non existent. It was gutless batting with poor footwork in ODI 2. After England & Australian tour White wash, Indians have learnt nothing. They keep making the same mistakes. Ashwin showed what footwork can do when he moved his feet, got on top of Steyn's rising ball & cover drove it for 4. On the other hand Kohli never got behind the ball & poked at the ball going away after pitching outside the off stump. He did the same in ODI 1.Rahane flashed at a wide ball (2' outside) & got caught(?) & Ashwin tried a cross bat pull of Steyn's ball 18" outside the off & got caught behind. Dhoni himself got caught with bad footwork. Leading batsmen for a world #1 team need to use their feet! With absolute lack of footwork amongst its batsmen, keeping Pujara (with best footwork) out from ODI's XI defies Logic! Experienced ZAK is needed to eliminate openers before 50 runs Not 194!

  • Bala74 on December 8, 2013, 19:56 GMT

    Dhoni is trying evade the issue, which is that Indian batsmen are not comfortable playing genuine pace. Dhoni; ples understand that this is not an one-off series failure, where things aren't clicking but a more systemic issue with Indian cricket. In the past Sachin, Rahul, Sehwag, VVS etc had masked the issue, but they are no longer available and we're once again vulnerable. If Dhoni doesn't address the issue swiftly, India will be badly exposed in the 2015 WC.

  • CricIndia208 on December 8, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    Who cares for this Mickey Mouse bilateral series. India are the World Champions and the winners of the Champions Trophy.

  • on December 8, 2013, 20:05 GMT

    I aint worried about the batting. Bad results do come in between stupendous ones. In the first ODI, Rohit was very unluckily runout and Raina got a freak throw from the deep to be runout too. Had those two not happened, India were in with a good chance to threaten 358.

    Yuvraj has correctly been shunted out. Two things I still feel need to be changed in Indian cricket

    1. Dhoni for me must be left out. He is destroying the career of India's best WK/ Batsman by far, Dinesh Karthick.

    2. Ajinkya Rahane should be India's regular opener along with Shikhar, and Raina must be culled in a game or two to play Pujara here and there. Rohit, Virat 3 and 4.

    Also I feel Robin Uthappa deserves to be brought back in the mix !

    My batsmen for ODIs

    1. Shikhar 2. Ajinkya 3. Rohit 4. Virat 5. Raina / Pujara 6. Dinesh 7. Robin

  • hb1970 on December 8, 2013, 20:20 GMT

    Cannot muster even 150. Maybe an extended Pakistan ODI series would have been more interesting.

  • manizee on December 8, 2013, 20:22 GMT

    Dhoni stop beating about the bush. Indian media likes to overhype you guys and you start believing those exaggerations before reality brings you crashing down. The truth is that you guys are just not good enough. The ratings system needs to be reworked or it's gonna become a joke like cricket in India.

  • AH_USA on December 8, 2013, 20:27 GMT

    After the 1st wicket fell cheaply, why did MSD not promote himself to either #3 or #4? He could have come early and helped stabilize the batting. He is an experienced campaigner and the captain as well, and therefore, should have been able to keep one end occupied and helped his batsmen gain confidence. This is what Imran Khan used to do in his last 4-5 years as a captain.