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De Kock, Ontong face disciplinary

Firdose Moonda

January 15, 2013

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Quinton de Kock smashed 95 off 93 balls, South Africa v Bangladesh, Group D, ICC Under-19 World Cup 2012, Brisbane, August 12, 2012
Quinton de Kock was playing for South Africa Under-19s last August © ICC/Getty
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Quinton de Kock, South Africa's limited-overs wicketkeeper batsman, could miss some of the one-day series against New Zealand pending the outcome of a disciplinary hearing.

De Kock, 20, and Cobras captain Justin Ontong will appear in front of a disciplinary commissioner "as soon as possible" according to Cricket South Africa after an altercation between de Kock and Alistair Gray, when the Cobras were fielding during their first-class match last week.

Allegedly, de Kock pushed Gray after the umpires, Brian Jerling and Shaun George, changed the ball because they believed "the conditions of the ball had been altered" by the Cobras after 20 overs in the Lions second innings. De Kock was batting at the time and in accordance with protocol was asked to choose a replacement ball.

The Cobras were reportedly unhappy with his choice because he selected a ball which was much older than the original one. Words were exchanged, following which there was a slight scuffle. The Lions won the match by eight wickets and lie third in the table while the Cobras remain at the top, despite the defeat.

De Kock will appear in front of the commissioner on charges over his role in pushing an opposition player, while Ontong will face charges of ball tampering which the Cobras have denied. The ball itself will be sent away for tests to determine whether it was damaged in any way.

If found guilty, de Kock will be banned for two matches which could rule him out of the first two ODIs in the series which starts in Paarl on Saturday. The second fixture takes place in Kimberley on Tuesday with the last match to be played in Potchefstroom on January 25. Should de Kock be ruled out, AB de Villiers will have to don the wicketkeeping gloves despite his plea to rest his chronically bad back.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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Posted by Cricket_Man on (January 18, 2013, 9:02 GMT)

Saffers, you better solve your problems because team Pakistan is coming to win Tests, T20s and ODIs.

Posted by mahjut on (January 17, 2013, 22:51 GMT)

Overall averages are a guide - but not to form ... an average of 29.70 at 32 years old is not just "not bad" it is, at least, a decade long standard for SA keepers :) ... but this keeper at least was blooded at test level, found wanting, sent back to FC cricket with a mission to improve and his 2011/12 season average rose above 50, and 2012/13 remains above 40...a "consistent performer" for the Lions since 2007 according to cricinfo! hope cricinfo's stats are right .. been quite an enjoyable 1/2 hour

Posted by mahjut on (January 17, 2013, 22:17 GMT)

@ Surley ... within an organisation, it is always 'good practice' to let people know where they stand [like those - certainly not all who left 'in frustration' - told they'll never get a contract]. I never mentioned 'fair', because I am not suggesting there's been a strong system of places based on merit in the team (as indicated in the Hall/Klusener eg). Kuhn has a right to feel aggrieved - as does Thami, for different reasons; being taken to Eng as reserve to Bouch and when the position became free, another fills it. That is - even if temporarily - worse than being told you will NOT get a 'contract'. Fact is, although SA do well despite their issues sport is not separate from politics and blooding Elgar (who would always move aside for JP) seemed to serve no better function than having played Thami - if development/the future was the reasoning. The best balance for SA has AB as keeper but NZ was a chance for someone - an 'in form' Thami was sidelined again. So, Oz trip = UK facade???

Posted by SurlyCynic on (January 17, 2013, 16:54 GMT)

mahjut: Contracts are publicly announced. I've never heard of anyone else get a contract before even making the team. The players who left SA mostly did so because they were told they would never get a contract (or would lose theirs, like Botha), so they took up offers elsewhere.

He was taken to Aus as backup to AB, De Kock was not. It's pretty clear that De Kock is the limited overs keeper and Thami is test reserve. Not bad for someone with a FC average less than 30 who is 32 if you ask me. As Kuhn with a FC average of 48 about fairness.

Posted by mahjut on (January 17, 2013, 15:56 GMT)

and Surley ... in addition to my comment obviously he was not back up to AB he was back up to Bouch. He is now back up to AB (till he gets injured? ... then he'll back up to de Kock). Considering the exodus of SA plyers it'd be an interesting lineup of folk happy to be treated that unfairly

Posted by mahjut on (January 17, 2013, 15:52 GMT)

surley ... although i don't think he should be in the first 11 and have never suggested it (certainly no more than Bouch ever should have been anyway), I simply have no definitive answer to your question. I assume they have and the fact we don't know about it is due to the fact the promise was kept. de Kock's average is good but Parnell burst on the scene too - people do ... which is, by and large, why they're handled better these days. As far as him being treated fairly, well i'm not sure i would feel happy being taken around to carry drinks and "look the part" with no chance of a game, but who knows - maybe he's content playing the part. He certainly did everything else asked of him ... ie have a good season with the bat! he did

Posted by SurlyCynic on (January 17, 2013, 14:41 GMT)

mahjut: Has anyone else been given a 'promise to play' and a national contract for what will happen in 2 series time? I can't think of anyone, and I don't think that's the correct way to select a team as form and circumstances can change in this time.

Instead of being treated 'unfairly' I think he's been treated well, and is backup to AB despite having a lower FC average than Kuhn or De Kock. I think many more players would like to be treated this 'unfairly'.

Posted by Gordo85 on (January 17, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

If De Kock is ruled out for a match or two I seriously hope that they pick another keeper. Rudi Second should get a chance because he is an opener and he is young. Come on blood someone new it doesn't bother me who but someone who isn't that old. The thing about Second is his skills would be on show for everyone to see and even if he doesn't do that well because of the pressure I am sure he is a good enough player to play for South Africa at a later date since he is only 23.

Posted by   on (January 17, 2013, 12:24 GMT)

De Kock is a very young man with enormous expectations placed upon him.It's unclear whether his behaviour was a "once-off" or not and what the exact circumstances are,what was said in the middle,etc.He will have to be wary of opponents riling him or his game could get affected in the fujture.The cricket field should never have physical confrontation.

Posted by mahjut on (January 17, 2013, 11:29 GMT)

@StaalBurger - Like SA has always made sure "the best players play..." lol ... Rudolph, Hall, Boucher, Dipenaar (and it pains me to say: MacKenzie) were given loong runs in the side but were never much better (if better at all) than a whole host of FC players (consider that Hall was in for Klusener) around SA. Boje and Harris are forgivable becasue i think they probably were the best around at the time. It's always a risk to judge everyone by your standards ... presenting an arguement in favour of Tsolokile's is not necessarily a simple exercise in proving one's political correctness (though my feeling is that proving that to you would be very dificult indeed) ... there are many obvious reasons to select him, not least; the fact that he went about last season making runs @42ave as he was told to (which resulted - correctly - in a promise to play). de kock may have made more but he is a newboy and has looked pretty vulnerable so far to me after taking the step up

Posted by quittthewhinging on (January 16, 2013, 18:32 GMT)

Meanwhile Ontong has been named to captain an SA Invitation XI to play against the Pakistanis. la de da.......

Posted by Glenn10 on (January 16, 2013, 8:10 GMT)

Happy Days, J.D. Ryder has just announced he is available to play England! Now we have 6 batsmen all looking for spots in the middle order and no one wanting to open.

Posted by the_silent_observer on (January 16, 2013, 8:06 GMT)

why not pick a ball that is as old as the one-to-be-replaced, instead of leaving it to the batsman?

Posted by TheCricketeer on (January 16, 2013, 7:51 GMT)

What doesnt make sense to me is if De Kock is found guilty why should his punishment be in a different competition. I think the fairest to the other teams involved in the Sunfoil series or whatever its called now is that his ban should apply in that competition where the offence took place.

Or maybe both. But for example if a player gets a red card in the champions league semi final and recieves a 2 match ban in football he cant go skip his next club / international match and play the champions league final. His ban is applied to the competition in which the offence was committed. Should be the same in cricket in my opinion.

If you commit an offense in a the last test match of a series you should be banned for the next two test matches. You cant skip two ODI's so you can play your countries next test match. You cant even be sure player would have been selected. Same applies here. De Kock may not even have been selected for first two ODI's. How can ban apply there?

Posted by thenoostar on (January 15, 2013, 22:44 GMT)

You need to draw a distinction between Cricket in contact sports. I have no drama with this in contact sports but in cricket, there needs to be steps taken because this is becoming more prevalent in cricket. It is only a matter of time before there is a baseball style brawl. Fielders sledge batsman for hours on end and if the batsmen is shoved, it would be understandable if the responded.

Posted by THE_MIZ on (January 15, 2013, 16:34 GMT)

I'm not saying that its okay, but seriously? pushed an opposition player so there's a disciplinary hearing. Are you kidding me? Does CSA not have bigger fish to fry...like grassroots development!

Posted by kingsmead_mamba on (January 15, 2013, 16:10 GMT)

um isnt ab captaining the side? How can he rest if he is captain

Posted by StaalBurgher on (January 15, 2013, 12:53 GMT)

@bkempster - If they pick Thami and drop him then every 2nd guy that wants to score cheap social gravitas points will make a big issue about how "unfair" and "how badly handled" the situation is. You know, just to show how not racist they are. As if that has anything to do with the best players playing.

Posted by bkempster on (January 15, 2013, 12:34 GMT)

>Should de Kock be ruled out, AB de Villiers will have to don the wicketkeeping gloves despite his plea to rest his chronically bad back.

...or they could simply pick Tsolikele and shut everyone up for a while.

Posted by AdityaMookerjee on (January 15, 2013, 12:25 GMT)

Before 1993, did the two nations ever have a Cricket tour, in either nation? I don't know if it was known, in India. Also, what if Francois Pienaar played for England, in 1995? Further, how did Mitterrand feel when Pienaar won the World Cup of Rugby, not soccer in 1995? It does suggest, that the legend Pienaar has French ancestry.

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