Pakistan in South Africa 2012-13

Tanvir Ahmed, Rahat Ali added to Pakistan squad

Umar Farooq

January 27, 2013

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Tanvir Ahmed celebrates after bowling Kraigg Brathwaite, West Indies v Pakistan, 2nd Test, St Kitts, 4th day, May 23, 2011
Tanvir Ahmed has been added to Pakistan's Test squad for the South African tour © Associated Press
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Fast bowlers Tanvir Ahmed and Rahat Ali have been added to Pakistan's squad for the three Tests against South Africa. Considering the conditions and duration of the tour, the team management had requested Pakistan's selection committee to reinforce the squad with two more fast bowlers.

Both Ahmed and Ali are expected to reach South Africa before the first Test begins on February 1 in Johannesburg. Currently, their squad includes four quicks: Umar Gul, Junaid Khan and uncapped players Mohammad Irfan and Ehsan Adil.

ESPNcricinfo understands that due to a difference in choice between the selection committee and the team management, the committee decided to send Ali along with Ahmed, who was part of the reserves for the tour.

Ali has been out the side since he played one ODI against Sri Lanka in June last year, while the 34-year old Ahmed last played a Test in May 2011, in West Indies, after which he was dropped because of fitness and performance.

The Pakistan squad is currently playing a four-day warm-up match against South African Invitation XI in East London. After the Test series, Pakistan will play two Twenty20s and five one-dayers in South Africa.

Umar Farooq is ESPNcricinfo's Pakistan correspondent

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Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (January 30, 2013, 17:41 GMT)

A 35 year old pacer?! Hahaha.... The cupboards are empty, I tell ya!

Posted by Smahuta on (January 30, 2013, 15:29 GMT)

@hhhhdmt OK lets compare the 2. Khan - Tests - 8 wickets - 27 5 wicket hauls - 3 10 wicket haul -0 Philander -Tests - 13 - wickets - 74 - 5 wicket hauls - 8 10 wicket haul -2

Now looking at those 2 I know who I would pick. Khan doesnt even come close. In order to get near philly he would need to take 50 wickets in 5 games to equal ohillys amazing feats. We will see how he does in these 3 tests but somehow i doubt he will be nearly as efective as big Vern is. Philly for president!! If you want to compare phillys in sub continent then you have to compare junaid in SA, so they both work out the same - Zero for all stats becuse neiither has played in each others turf before.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (January 30, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

Funny. 34 year old called as a backup!Enough hype of Junaid who is just a swing bowler. He cannot trouble Smith and Amla anyway. In SA pace matters more than swing. These kids will learn that soon.

Posted by hhhhdmt on (January 30, 2013, 5:42 GMT)

counterstrike, why don't you worry about your own fast bowlers before criticising pakistans? Junaid Khan is ten times better than any bowler you have. Philander is an excellent bowler but he is NO BETTER than Junaid. He has not played in the sub continent at all, whereas Junaid already has three 5 wicket hauls in the sub continent.

Also, WASIM AKRAM HIMSELF SAID THAT JUNAID KHAN IS JUST LIKE HIM. You are judging Junaid on a practice match that you haven't even seen? Junaid destroyed the Indian batting line up and make Kohli his bunny, thats why you are so upset. Lets see Philander average 12 in a one day series vs India in India or take multiple 5 wicket hauls in the sub continent. You are just blinded by your hatred of Pak

Posted by emrates on (January 30, 2013, 3:08 GMT)

tanvir is good inclusion he is good seamer and advantage is that he can bat well too averages more than afridi in test....we dont need to cry anymore who is included who is not..if pakistan wana win they can win with this team..pakistan make sure you atleast can make 300 every inning in tests which i know is really hard..bowling is of luck Pak!

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 30, 2013, 0:11 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 - Just to correct you there bowlers do need time to adjust, they need to adjust their line and length according to the bouncy tracks of South Africa. A recent example was Sri Lanka against Australia in Australia. The bowlers struggled to fine the correct line and length to bowl on the surfaces there in the first couple games and then came back superbly to draw the ODI Series and clench the T20 series superbly, all credits due to their adjustment of line and length on the quicker Australian wickets. And that Akram comment, some Pakistani fan made of Junaid Khan, well let it go! I am sure some fans get caught up in the moment of success, and proclaim and start comparing some player to a LEGEND. Its nothing to be taken literally, remember Amir being called the next Akram. In an interview, he said people started to expect a lot from him after some good series, and then made comparisons of him with Wasim.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 29, 2013, 18:08 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6->You always keep on crying out loud 'Akram Akram'... Wasim Akram was not a legend right from day one..Even Wasim Akram struggled on SA pitches.I dont know which Pak fan said this Akram thing or is it made by you only.Because i never read such post here in any thread..

Posted by MrBanker24 on (January 29, 2013, 16:08 GMT)

really fail to understand what sort of selection is this... Pakistan known to produce explosive talent which thrown in ring at a tender age.....its seem that 30 years mean new 18 yrs to paki their no young fast bowling talent available in Pakistan now....

Posted by farooq61 on (January 29, 2013, 12:24 GMT)

The call for a backup is too early, premature and demonstrates fickle-mindedness of our cricketing bureaucracy.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 29, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

@ omar_choudhary -

The way Pak fans were praising Juanid and Irfan after hammering Ind., everyone had huge expectations from them and in first innings they indeed failed miserably against domestic batsmen of SA, they both leaked runs with an Econ. rate of 4+. That is ridiculous. And if a Pak batsman says that he needs time to adjust to SA conditions then I can understand tht they usually play on flat tracks back in Pak so playing in SA might be a trouble in first few games. But why a fast bowler ? In bowling friendly pitches of SA, your bowlers need time to adjust that too against domestic batsmen ? Strange !

And of course, I'm comparing your new fast bowlers with new SA seamer Philander. And sorry to say but this lad is way ahead of your Next Akrams.

@ Solid_Snake

Okay dude, If you think your silly comparisons of Pak-Ind players would make me angry then be it. I wouldn't mind.

Posted by WeeBee on (January 29, 2013, 8:44 GMT)

hmmm Good Decision! . . . I think this is opportunity for all these young bowlers to prove themselves .... in last two years Pakistan have strengthened their squad by adding new talents like Muhammad Irfan, Junaid, Raza and Nasir. We need more of batsman these days. Anyway ... I wish both of these bowlers to perform for their country. Damn care about winning and losing. ... But Fight Tight

Posted by   on (January 29, 2013, 1:20 GMT)

I do not understand why Cheema is being ignored when he had better domestic performance behind him . he was ignored over Mohammad Sami too in ODI previously even after Sami could not defend 18 runs in the last over against Srilanka and Cheema defended 10 runs in Asia Cup Final. Inzi said this about the team selection as soon as the team was accounced that Pakistan seems light in fast bowling department. Well guess what ? they remove him from his batting consultant job and added 2 bowlers to the team. WHAT ??

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 23:54 GMT)

ATTENTION ALL PAKISTANIS! Until we do not relieve ourselves of this mentality of being biased towards other cities in our country, whether it be Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta etc. we will remain divided and not be a solid nation. With this mentality in the minds of the people of Pakistan, that is why we are not succeeding as much as we would like to, whether it be in sports, education etc. Back to cricket, our team is only being successful in my opinion right now on luck and prayers of millions of people around the world. When we will play as a team, we will be almost unstoppable. Right now, we as the supporters and fans of our cricket team have to rid ourselves of this mentality, only then will we succeed. Quad E Azam Zindabad! Pakistan Zindabad! Cricket Zindabad!

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 22:55 GMT)

Yaar, laho111, I am not the biased Karachi vs Lahore sort of person. At the end, if you read I suggested in place of Rahat Ali, take Aizaz and Tanvir Ahmed should stay in the squad. But if they were to play only one in the team, I would say Aizaz slightly ahead of Tanvir, as Aizaz Cheema has played slightly more recently. But then again, they both have similar skill level. To clarify, I actually wanted to say that I did not understand the selectors decision to drop both bowlers after one quiet series or tournament. And I agree with you, that all people who are complaining why this Karachi or Lahore player is being selected, please go kill your self, if it is based on no logic... Also, recently I read "Pakpassion," the website that Mohammad Irfan was actually 26 and cricinfo made a mistake with this.

Posted by uzairamir on (January 28, 2013, 22:21 GMT)

as a pakistani i admit that this fast bowling is nothing like it used to be but with the talent in pakistan good selection can produce good batsmen as well as bowlers The selectors just dont need to select old people but new and good talented blood

Posted by siddiqi on (January 28, 2013, 18:53 GMT)

So selectors are admitting their mistake in the first place of sending only 4 fast bowlers that included young Ehsan Adil and now instead of one they are sending 2 as replacement so it means they have doubt over Irfan's fitness. I would have expected more vision from selectors. Sending Uncle tanvir is also strange as we have youngsters like Wahab, Zia and Anwar. May be Iqbal Qasim wanted to please Siraj-ul-Islam Bukhari once more.

Posted by davidatlas999 on (January 28, 2013, 18:51 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 the things is your point is to early right could play junaid and other bowler easely as we all know sa are the good player of fast bowling but we know junaid who did a very good job for us in uae and srilanka.he might be not a great one but when he is getting wicket for us we will see him a great bowler for for you you are outsider you can say anything about junaid but i wanna ask you one thing if he did a good job you will congrats him here? And we all know when he got failed am will be the 1st who will be against him. Cause we all want champions isnt?

Posted by LankaGod on (January 28, 2013, 17:44 GMT)

Comparison with Akram, well Pakistani fans are over the top again with their pacers. Name one of the quality of Malinga in your team over the last 10 years, and you would know, Pakistani pace attack is no longer the threat it used to be. SA will prove it to you guys once more.

Posted by Aragorn_11 on (January 28, 2013, 15:53 GMT)

clever move by PCB...Tanvir hits the seam and moves the ball in and out, which means Pakistan batsmen can face a bowler similar to Philander in the nets...they face Irfan, so Morkel shouldn't be a problem...preparation is key, and Pakistan are getting it spot on, disappointed in the middle order in the recent practice match, Azhar Ali better improve his standard because Jamshed and T.Umar want to play....

Posted by RAMESHTAS on (January 28, 2013, 15:28 GMT)

@Omar_choudhary Thanks for your Indian Hatering comments, no where news about Indian palyers mentioned in this article. But you want to compare your players wtih Indian players. You have won 2-1 in recent one day serious and your comments are based on it. Can you tell me what is the current position of your team in ICC ratings. If you have more talented palyers in PAK team, it must be in 1st 3 places in all format of the game. When Umal Akmal started his carrer, all the AK fan\s compared him with Viv Richardes, But now they don't want him in their team. Same comments wil be publised after SA tour on more talented players I am expecting more comments from you after 1st Test with S.A.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 28, 2013, 12:52 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6->It's not just me..Once you post something negative about Pak players,All fans would start replying first with the Indian players Comparison.No Pak fan would bash its own players like that.

Posted by laho111 on (January 28, 2013, 12:16 GMT)

Tanvir Ahmed 34 years 39 days and Aizaz cheema 33 years 145 days. Difference is 6 months so how we can say that Aizaz cheema is right choice as tanvir is old. Plz leave this bias thinking that he is from karachi. For God sake. Both are good and deserve for chance. Irfan age is 30 years 236 days he is also not young so why his selection is right?Misbah is 38 years 245 days old (without performance)????? no comment now. Please be Pakistani plz

Posted by dmqi on (January 28, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

@nasir uddin. Did you get any gifts from Umar Akmal and Kamran Akaml recently? The two worst players in recent days. Kamran should not get any chance, period. Umar is Younus's shoeles.

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 11:26 GMT)

Ask anyone (whether it be a Pom, Aussie, West Indian etc.) and they will all tell you Pakistan produces more fast bowlers than any other country easily... Most of them are quality bowlers, who can swing, reverse swing, seam and bowl quick. So you accept the Indian bowlers are ordinary, and are nothing special. Then on what basis are you saying this about Pakistani bowlers...

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 11:22 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6 - Let me correct the illogical comments you have passed on in regards to the Pakistani cricket team. Firstly, you mentioned Junaid Khan is getting pounded by the South African Domestic batsmen. Did you not read the preview for the fixture, this RSA A side, was already considered to be a strong one. And to add to that the Pakistani players have just arrived in SA, so jet lag can be a factor, so can be the wide gap from unlimited overs cricket and well it takes time to get used to the conditions (considering that more than half of the team has never played in South Africa before and those who have, last played 6 years ago). So despite all this, Pakistan have performed much more superiorly to this South African A side. And then you mentioned, Pakistan having a garbage production of fast bowlers. Ask anyone (whether it be a Pom, Aussie, West Indian etc.) and they will all tell you Pakistan produces more fast bowlers than any other country easily...

Posted by GreenTillDeath on (January 28, 2013, 10:58 GMT)

CounterStrike:: Amazing to see how out of form and ordinary batting line up of India did well against England. Indian batting line is no ordinary, they are one of the best and Junaid did really well against them. About comparing him with Waseem, its too early to put this much pressure on kid.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 28, 2013, 9:25 GMT)

Solid_Snake - You might have not said Juanid is Next Akram but many of your countrymen did. And my comment was for those very fans. It is you who replied to that comment of mine first by mentioning my name.

Every time, I say something about Pak Cricketers, you try to justify your point by comparing them with Ind players. Man, I know Ind are ordinary. What else you want me to believe ? For me, Ind team is not worth following and you compare your players with them to prove that Pak Cricketers are The Best ? Wow. Hats off.

Be ready, to read some more interesting analyzation about Pak Cricketers during Test Series. And either Ignore me or try to prove me wrong without comparing them with Ind players. I assure you, It won't affect me a bit even if you say anything against Ind team in order to defend your team as I don't care abt. Team Ind anymore.n it cn b seen too dat Im nt replying to any comment of ur or othr pak fans who are continuously bashing Ind team in Ind-Eng forum. plz publish

Posted by pauliangenius on (January 28, 2013, 7:31 GMT)

Yeah!!! Go Go Tanvir Ahmed. Take out these S.A batsmen and improve your stats . This is your last series unfortunately regardless of your performance because you will be dropped just like after your match saving performance against west indies in the last test you played. Sorry to say that.

Also, whatever you do, will not effect series results which is 3-0 because Pak batsmen are garage when it come to playing seam and swing.

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 7:29 GMT)

Where is Mohammad Yousuf? M missing that legend. He is way ahead of Younis Khan in my opinion (stats support that). Yousuf was really the only player in recent years for Pakistan, who I thought could perform outside the subcontinent as well. And instead of Yousuf, Faisal Iqbal got called. U guys call him a player, he for some reason is always scoring in domestic cricket, I wish he has a form slump in domestic as well, that way he will not be recalled. Another interesting thing, no offence to anyone from Karachi, but seriously Sarfraz Ahmed cannot bat at all, I vividly remember in 2008 Asia Cup, Sohail Tanvir batted higher than him, despite all this in domestic he averages 40 plus which is even better than Azhar Ali and co in the middle order. He is just another player, who I hope loses form in domestic so he cannot be recalled. Yet we always turn back to Kamran, for wicketkeeper, I hope he like quits cricket and for Adnan, please do justice, despite his low domestic avg,he should play.

Posted by RaadQ on (January 28, 2013, 6:46 GMT)

Some people are too critical. Remember, the team hasn't played in proper seam conditions in years (WI and NZ in early 2011 were last SEMI-seam conditions). Y Khan is getting old and out of form, he should be replaced by Haris Sohail. Azhar and Shafiq should be given chance in first match, and if they fail, then Taufeeq Umar should be rotated in, and Hafeez demoted to #3. U Akmal doesn't even have ODI temperament, he still needs to SHOW maturity before been moved back into the Test team. As for the bowling, Irfan is simply not fit for test matches. Personally I think W Riaz will be good for seam conditions, one bad match against India and he got booted from the team. From the squad, Ehsan Adil/Rahat Ali to replace M Irfan, Tanvir Ahmed is too old to be included in the squad, we need to focus on future.

Posted by   on (January 28, 2013, 6:28 GMT)

Pakistani captain and coach both are still ignorant about the Batting line up because they are depending on opening now their middle order is almost equal to nothing even umar Gul is batting better than younis khan and Asad shafiq.The problem with pakistani selectors they just select players because of their stardum not for their performances.Thats why younis khan ,Azhar ali and Asad shafiq are in the side.Umar akmal and kamran akmal were first choice for south africa because as a batsman both of them are Far better than these player when u check current records. Selectors also forgot player like Mohd Yousaf in such a important Tour.Bowling will rock but batting will Flop in this tour.No hopes for Our this Team with younis and azhar performance

Posted by heartbreakerz on (January 28, 2013, 6:21 GMT) seems that u were watching some other series, pak won the 1st odi by 6 wkts n d 2nd odi by 85 this close? lol, d only close match was d 3rd odi which we lost...n u remember ur top order scores 29/5, 90/5 etc this is d humiliation i was talking about

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 28, 2013, 6:09 GMT)

Counterstrike->Hahaha you have to try it on someone else.I never said that he is the next wasim akram?Why would i say something like that about a bowler who is in his early bowling career stage. PS->He is bowling great at the moment.HE Completely trashed the Top order of Indian team not once or twice..Never allowed them to settle..Junaid is improving

Posted by IndiaChampspakchumps on (January 28, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

Counterstrike, well said. I appreciate your comments. Continue the good work.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 28, 2013, 4:16 GMT)

@Counterstrike->The same Wasim Akram Drooling is done by Indian fans.Every time a new bowler comes out,they start saying that he is the next wasim Akram..Irfan Pathan..That poor guy had to suffer because of his fans..Now he is no where to be seen.There is only one Wasim Akram & noone would be like him again. PS->India can borrow some Pacers from Pakistan.We would gladly remove the tail enders for you.That would make India happy :)

Posted by davidatlas999 on (January 28, 2013, 4:06 GMT)

you guys full of negativity one mate saying they are selecting just karachi players mate in the team lots of player from lahor their are some player from kpk also.your comment about sarfaraz wanna tell you he has the best fc avg.adnan had just 24 fc avg he cant bat and his brother kamran cant keep.yes tanvir are aged but as for as he is doing good for pakistan i dont care.he had speed dont say that he is slow than for as shafiq i dont know why you dont complaint about him?he is not that good yes we want just name in our team no matter how they play. Hope one day we realise that we dont need a big name we need a good team player who can play his act with the team.we dont need another afredi who can play littel bit bat littel bit ball and littel field. Hope our fans will grow up. As for as sadaf yes i wanna see him also but not now cause we cant carry to many untested player in a very hard sa tour may be latter in a home series in uae.and he is not fit right now.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 28, 2013, 2:27 GMT)

@PakPacer->Counterstrike Source thinks that Junaid would take 5 wickets & all of the top order batsmen.As if Indian Pacers do the the same :P'India is the only team where you have part timers who are leading wicket takers..Take example of Jadeja.B.Kuma ho just after 3 matches got exposed failed in this series...Indian fans were jumping ohh we found the next star..Well there he goes..A new Star Pacer with a pace of 125kph & who is good for first 10 overs only

Posted by Uzi-Khan on (January 28, 2013, 1:08 GMT)

Glad Pakistan have gone for Tanvir Ahmed and Rahat Ali, typical of Pakistan as it is to neglect many good hardworking bowlers. Can see both of these guys doing well.

Love the pessimism from Pakistani fans as usual. Warm ups are there to prove how prepared a team can be, so lets wait for the series before we get our pants in a mix.

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 0:58 GMT)

The recruitment of 2 fast bowlers, suggest to me that the team management may have doubts possibly, on Mohammad Irfan's fitness and fatigue to last throughout the test series. This does not seem to be a such a good sign perhaps but on the contrary it is a safe and advisable decision to have a fresh and ready supply of fast bowlers on this challenging fixture.

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 0:46 GMT)

Rahat Ali's inclusion is a baffling one too considering his lack of international experience, and he has not shown much temperament in his one and only opportunity in an ODI vs Sri Lanka... How does this prove that he is ready for Test Cricket. I suppose they could be experimenting by choosing him, it really does not seem to be the right time to do so, this is a key series in terms of deciding rankings of the current Test-playing nations and where they are at the moment. Anyways, in my opinion the inclusion of players who have proven they have the skill and temperament to play top level test cricket should have been chosen and those who have played international cricket quite recently. And I think current domestic form should be in contention when choosing players but also I think the selectors should have more patience when a player has one below par series...

Posted by omar_choudhary on (January 28, 2013, 0:35 GMT)

I don't see the logic behind this stance taken by the PCB, to include these 2 bowlers into the test squad. Yes, it is advisable and a good idea to include more fast bowlers for this tour to South Africa, so that it does impact on the fatigue and performance of the fast bowlers. But why include Tanvir Ahmed, regardless of his current form and performance in the domestic circuit, he was doing alright when he was in the team in 2010/11 but the Pakistani selectors, then dropped him for having one quiet series. So now I think it is a waste of time to persist with him, anyways his age is a factor and the plain fact that he has not been in international action for quite some time. He is just being recalled pointlessly like Sohail Tanvir and Sami then will be dropped from under performance. Rahat Ali's inclusion is a baffling one too considering his lack of international experience, and he has not shown much temperament in his one and only opportunity in an ODI vs Sri Lanka...

Posted by knight_in_cricket_gear on (January 27, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

@heartbreakerz - when did you guys HUMILIATE the famed Indian line up?? Loosing two out of three very very close matches and drawing the T-20 series is humiliation? And loosing to India (and convincingly I shoudl add) in the WCs and the Asia cups wasnt humiliation? And please dont bring up that rubbish about BCCI bribing the Pak teams andthe three umpires to let us win.

Posted by Chaudery007 on (January 27, 2013, 21:42 GMT)

Rahaty Ali is a surprise package for the world but i know him personally and have played a lot with him in Multan. we practice in the same club and he can cause a lot of damage to the south africans considering he bowls over 140 kph often and has the ability to swing the bowl both ways.... we all in Multan are very excited to see him ion action cause he is raw talent and can fill in for Aamir. i hope they give him a chance and he make us all proud.

Posted by SS_JJ on (January 27, 2013, 21:23 GMT)

Never evaluate the performance of players by their age or by looking at the scoreboard of side match. Younis khan, Azhar and shafiq no doubt have failed to perform in the side game but i am confident they will show their class in the real game. I am for the inclusion of Tanvir since South Africa conditions suit seam bowler like him.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 21:03 GMT)

Rahat Ali is an excellent bowler with a short run up and quick left arm action his average speed is 142kph and can easily bowl upto 145kph on a fast pace wicket. He is tall and has good pace so good to see him in the squad,Tanveer Ahmed is more like perveen kumar and i don't think he should be in the squad.Anwar Ali could have been a much batter choice due to to SA's conditions he can bat too he has scored 2 hundreds for lancshire in county cricket .

Posted by good_contest on (January 27, 2013, 20:51 GMT)

i was hoping that someone had mentioned the young and upcoming fast bowler Zia ul Haq who has pace and swing, but couldnt see anyone bringing that up. Perhaps cricinfo didnt post any such comment. Anyhow, i hope this young lad gets a chance and proves himself at the international level and is not left out just because his name matches a former Pakistani dictator...

Posted by sam1952 on (January 27, 2013, 20:33 GMT)

For God's sake drop Younis, Azhar and Shafiq. They do NOT know how to bat on boouncy pitches.

Posted by PakPacer on (January 27, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

You guys are full of negativity. Oh so sorry Counterstrike i guess Junaid is supposed to get 5 wickets every match otherwise he's garbage right, as if no baller has bad days or as if Wasim took 5 wickets every match he played. The lad took 3 and domestic vs. foreign conditions is a big jump, just ask England. They came a month before the India series just to practice and they did the samething last year as well. You have to give people time, Azhar and Junaid and Asad will struggle but if they dont get better as the series continues THEN you can criticize them. As for Tanvir, just having pace means nothing bajwa, you want pace? go get Sami and then you'll see how quick the ball crosses the boundary line. Tanvir knows how to bowl with the new ball and can bat a bit which is really essential on this tour as SA has the strongest batting lineup in the world, you guys want instant results this is not T20.

Posted by heartbreakerz on (January 27, 2013, 19:58 GMT)

counterstrike1.6.... but the same "garbage quality" products of Pak fast bowling factory recently humiliated the famed indian batting in their own of what quality are your indian batsman

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 27, 2013, 19:39 GMT)

Solid_Snake - Well Junaid was supposed to be as 'solid' as Wasim Akram but he got exposed by SA domestic batsmen and he showed all of us how 'hollow' he is and how hollow were claims of Hollow_Snakes.

And abt. Ind. yeah even Eng beat them 2-1. So Aus hammering Ind is on the cards.

Posted by Irfuirfan007 on (January 27, 2013, 19:25 GMT)

Good decision by pcb...coz i feel m irfan's fitness isnt utpo the mark and ehsan adil is yet to debut... So good cover up for both..

Posted by oayaz01 on (January 27, 2013, 19:20 GMT)

Tanvir Ahmed is a horses for courses selection and he can bowl well with the new ball in SAF. Most people won't remember but in 1998 historic win at Durban, Fazle Akbar took 2 important wickets with the new ball including the dogged Gary Kirsten so if Tanvir gets a chance and can pick couple of wickets with new ball, and keep tight later on, his job will be well done.

Posted by KarachiKid on (January 27, 2013, 19:16 GMT)

Fully Agreed with @Waqas Farooq. This poor chap Tanvir Ahmed was mistreated BIG TIME by PCB because of parchi players. He has bowled really well season after season in domestic cricket but unfortunately his team mate Mohammad Sami was preferred over him time and again. Sami is a good bowler but lack temperament for international cricket. The only thing bad about Tanvir is that this bloke is 30+ and cant be counted for future.

Posted by oayaz01 on (January 27, 2013, 18:34 GMT)

counterstrike1.6 - 34 year old Tanvir Ahmed is a medium pacer but he well be quickest than any bowler India has ever produced, and mind you Kapil Dev was also a gentle medium pacer!!

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 18:23 GMT)

Oh come on Guyz! Tanvir is 32+ now he should play domestice cricket only, we have plenty of young fast bowlers so y not we should try those youngsters instead of aged Tanvir Ahmed? Hey! here's a deal..we should exchange a middle order batsman from India with Tanvir Ahmed...This deal can strengthen both teams :P :P

Posted by Naseer_shah on (January 27, 2013, 18:03 GMT)

@Stark62 Have you seen Rahat ali bowling . He got the bounce due to height and swing with speed ... Sadaf Hussain is just mediocre bowler with no swing ,bounce and pace 128 - 134 KmpH or less ... Amir was selected due to recommendation of Wasim Akram .. He was natural Talent .So Don't Compare Amir with Sadaf . Leg spinner Zulfiqar is highest wicket taker every season in domestic circuit but ever he selected . Cricinfo please publish my comment

Posted by Farrukh.91. on (January 27, 2013, 17:55 GMT)

I still think it was a bit early to select Irfan for test matches, his career maybe best limited to ODIs and T20s, fittness being the main cocern. In the current warmup match also he only bowled 12 overs.

Posted by bajwa_rulez on (January 27, 2013, 17:51 GMT)

are you kidding me with this selection , tanvid ahmed the fast bowler who cant bowl faster then razzaq lol and who the hell is this rahat ,,, what about wahab riaz ? i can tell you this time selection is all about making karachi happy , for example ,, faisal iqbal lol sarfraz ahmed lol tanvir ahmed .. only one karachi player deserves to be in team is asad shafiq

Posted by avmd on (January 27, 2013, 17:24 GMT)

I almost had a heart attack whan I saw Tanvir's name, TG it was not Sohail Tanvir. Looks like touring party is in more doubt about Irfan;s test match fitness and they don;t want to throw rookie Adil in deep against the best batting side in the world. From Wahab or Rahat, only one could go as both are left arm FM bowlers. If they needed and experienced Rt arm fast, I guess Cheema is in red hot form, both in president trophy and now ongoing QA Trophy and was a better choice. Tanvir is very old for a fast bowler who is required to bowl long spells at sustained pace in SA, but I guess he came on Karachi qouta. Selectors had done a poor job right from the start. Now please send Iqbal back.

Posted by Stark62 on (January 27, 2013, 17:16 GMT)

@ Zahidsaltin

Are you nuts?!?!

Ehsan is definitely mediocre at best but you can't say the same for SADAF!!

Sadaf Hussain has played 32 FC matches with an average of 17.43, whilst Amir played 30 FC matches with an average of 21.48 and those figures clearly show, that Sadaf Hussain is a far better bowler than Amir.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 17:11 GMT)

I dont know what all the fuss about selection of Tanvir is - He is a very gud bowler luk at his stats 16 wkts at an avg of 24 and strike rate of 38 he avrgs 29 with bat as well with 1 fifty. He took 6 wkts against gud bating side of South Africa on gud bating pitch of Abu.D. He is a very good 135+ swing and seam bowler & also reverse swings. As far as age is concern he is 34 still can play for 3 or 4 years look Kalis he is 38 scoring runs and bowling at 135+ kmh so y cant Tanvir. Rahat is tall bowels at 140+ with round arm action can in swing and got bounce so good selection for S.A. Zia is still young future of Pak needs some time at least to play this complete f.c season. For Sadaf he is injured not playing for his f.c team as well. Sami tried and tried again averages 50+ in 40 odd games his time is over. Wahab got only pace but he cant swing the ball needs to develop in swing otherwise he isnt international quality. Anwer needs to improve his bating, bowling alone is not gd enough

Posted by jabbarahmed on (January 27, 2013, 17:08 GMT)

I cant understand why selectrz drop Afaq RAHEEM without giving him a chance and picked faisal iqbal...selectrz droped afaq raheem coz he dnt has any reference and faisal iqbal has javed mia dad reference...and another reason is that Afaq belong to azad kashmir..and PCB not single time give a chance of azad kashmir players....Afaq really deserve a chance but PCB selected playerz on reference basis not on faisal iqbal....,,,....

Posted by Naseer_shah on (January 27, 2013, 17:07 GMT)

Those who are supporting Sadaf Hussain are just making fool ..I am sure friend of sadaf Hussain or might be himself are here to promote him only on internet .There is no comparison of Rahat ali and Sadaf Hussain. I have seen him . He is less than a mediocre bowler with no Swing and Pace . Performance in first class doesn't guarantied a selection as M.Amir was selected in National team after playing only 7 first class matches. For this , you just need an Eagle Eye. .. Cricinfo please publish my comment

Posted by ISI-Pakisatn-Tanoli on (January 27, 2013, 17:02 GMT)

I dont think Irfan is test material because when he runs its look likes tired buffalo running inn... :P....... Tanvir is perfect line length blower with decent batting also.... don't know about Rahat Ali .....

Posted by uzairamir on (January 27, 2013, 17:01 GMT)

what are the selectors doing they could have got in sadaf hussain or anwar ali or muhammad talha, the only one they found was a 34 year old tanvir

Posted by wakaPAK on (January 27, 2013, 16:59 GMT)

I think M. Irfan is must in the squad provided he stays fit and I dint think he has been out of sorts... he's played FC tests withour getting injured so he should play.. The reason I want him in the team is just the way he intimidates the batsmen and unruffle them. I think some of our fans lose their faiths too earlier; I'm happy they are not playing :)

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (January 27, 2013, 16:43 GMT)

Tanvir was on standby, that's why they could'nt surpass him. Otherwise it was only Rahit Ali who was been asked for. Tanvir gets the trip due to technicality of him being the first standby. People asking for Sadaf, Zia etc know a very little about cricket and aren't different from those who asked for Ehsan to be included which was a dear mistake as seeing Ehsan Adil bowl in the final of presidents cup, you clearly see a very mediocre bowler.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (January 27, 2013, 16:32 GMT)

Those asking for M.Sami, Please stop this torture. He has been given far too many chances and has been regularly dissapointing. Rahat Ali is a good choice. Tanvir may stay on the bench.

Probably M.Irfan may get to play the 1st test, then depending on his performace, he may either continue in the next matches or may be replaced by Rahat Ali. In any case i would like to see Irfan & Rahat get decent opportunities. Tanvir has good batting capablities but I feel the most important job of the fast bowlers is to get wickets.

Posted by syedahmed91 on (January 27, 2013, 15:51 GMT)

Pakistan should've gone for Mohammad Sami instead of this Tanvir guy imo. Sami is alot more fitter than Tanvir and everyone knows about his pace... plus he has experience in bowling in SA too. Idk what selectors think in Pakistan just because he got a 6-for in his first match against south africa doesn't mean he will do it again... I think he's going to be a liability if he's ever included in the playing 11 he's 34 years old and we all saw that he had a difficult time bowling in test matches in UAE. Pakistan selectors need to think better than this.

Posted by malik-muhammad-basit on (January 27, 2013, 15:39 GMT)

why not Aizaz cheema.when he is the highest wicket taking bowler this year in domestic season

Posted by 14.08.1947 on (January 27, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

To be honest, i really understand the decision to include RAHAT ALI in the Squad. He is gonna be the next Mohammad ASIF (as a player) because his speed in variation of bowl is similiar with him. In on other i couldnt understand, why they have choosen Mohammad Irfan in the Squad. He is just for T'20 and ODI capable. Tanvir Ahmed isnt a bad either and he got experience how to bowl against the South African Batsman. Nevertheless players like: Anwar Ali, Zia-ul-Haq, Sadaf Hussain, Ehsan Adeel and Junaid Khan are our great future and it is always good, when they join the Team "just" as a memeber of the Squad. After the Mohammad Amir SAGA they need to groom them before they play regulary. . . . .The current BATTING- Form is a SAD thing...What happened with AZHAR & ASAD :( .... Playing XI vs. South Africa: Hafeez, Jamshed, Azhar, Younis Khan, Misbah- ul- Haq, Asad Shafiq, Safraz, Gul, Rahat Ali, Junaid Khan, Ajmal.....

Posted by farhan4050 on (January 27, 2013, 15:18 GMT)

Middle-Order failing again. Younis Khan, Azhar Ali and Shafiq gone in no time even though getting a solid opening partnership.

Posted by naeemhussain on (January 27, 2013, 15:17 GMT)

Selectors should give one good reason to not to pich Sadaf Hussain.

Posted by farhan4050 on (January 27, 2013, 15:15 GMT)

@counterstrike 1.6 : If you don't know, every overseas track seams and swings on Day 1 or maybe a couple of overs on Day 2 no matter how flat it be. Both the openers played outstandingly but yes, middle order is a concern for us. I'd agree with that. Blaming our bowling? I'm not agreeing on that. Moreover, remember. None of our bowlers has ever bowled before in SA. First experience, taking 10 wickets is real good in less then a day as well.

Posted by Surajdon9 on (January 27, 2013, 15:14 GMT)

Rahat is exciting young talents really exciting to see him on white against proteas.Tanvir all round ability will help on struggling middle order on batting department cracking context on Cards.Come on Pakistan come on .Pak need to give chane to zia ul haq, Anwar ali, Sadaf hussain n many other exciting pacers..

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 15:03 GMT)

I think they've gone for the men in form in the domestic circuit (source: cricinfo stats). Tanvir is basically cover for Gul due to his relatively long experience on the domestic circuit while Rahat is only 24 years old in good nick bowling at around 140 kmph mark.

So while most of us would like Sadaf Hussain, Zia ul Haq and Anwar Ali in the squad, they won't necessarily find a place in the playing 11 anyway since this tour even Ehsan would be lucky to find a spot in the eleven (unless a couple of seamers get injured) No point in taking youngsters as tourists. Blood them in when you really mean it!

Good choices in my book, Tanvir and Rahat.

Posted by Billz1130 on (January 27, 2013, 15:01 GMT)

They shouldn't have picked Mohammad Irfan for test anyway. I would be really surprised if he can deliver 25 odd overs in a day. Really weird selection of Tanvir and Rahat, they should've given a chance to Anwar Ali instead. My biggest worry remain the batting line up. I wonder where the talent went.

Posted by farhan_313 on (January 27, 2013, 14:55 GMT)

rahat ali is surely the right choice he got the pace and extract extra pace even on dead pitches in pakistan. so he will surely surperise all with his bowling. i have seen him bowling in domestic circuit and love to see him bowling on south african fast and bouncy wickets

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (January 27, 2013, 14:51 GMT)

@ farhan4050

What I felt about Junaid and Pak bowlers I wrote. You not necessarily need to agree with it. Not everyone can think like you.

Flattest tracks of SA ? Really ? Have a look at your middle-order performance :-

Azhar Ali - 2 & 3 (Wow !) Younis - 5 & 14 Misbah - 4 Asad Shafiq - 4

If it indeed is the flattest track of SA then I'm afraid what will your batsmen do against Steyn-Gun and Co. that too on Green Top. And FYI, cs1.6 is NOT a video game.

Posted by swat1999 on (January 27, 2013, 14:43 GMT)

Pakistan must worry about its middle order batsman like Yunos Khan , Azhar Ali rathar than bowling unit.

Posted by agent001 on (January 27, 2013, 14:35 GMT)

The selectors and the team management have finally seen the handwriting on the wall that M Irfan is not test material and may not remain fit during a five day test. He may be a good one for T20I at best and may be for the ODIs.

Posted by agent001 on (January 27, 2013, 14:08 GMT)

When would the hero of the 2006 under 19 final over India, Anwar Ali get his Test opportunity ??

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 14:07 GMT)

Pakistan seems to have a mass production factory to produce fast bowlers. Superb. Good for them.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 13:56 GMT)

@ Jason_Mcphee.. His name is EHSAN AADIL... he is selected in the Squad ..the second one in under 19 was Zia ul Haq. he is not selected and doing better in domestic circuit in Pakistan

Posted by farhan4050 on (January 27, 2013, 13:54 GMT)

Well now I've come to know why Rahat Ali is preferred over Sadaf Hussain. Sadaf bowls around 134-135 Kph and batsmen's of Australia, SA and England would crush these bowlers around the ground. You saw how B.Kumar of India was played by England However Pakistan faced difficulties playing him. On the other hand, Shami Ahmed was quite impressive cause he bowls around 140 KPH. Rahat Ali bowls around 145 KPH because of which he is selected. Tanvir Ahmed bowls even 140 KPH + and bats well too. He has a good record against SA too on dead pitches. So both have justified their selections. Best of Luck PAK!

Posted by Adnan1610 on (January 27, 2013, 13:48 GMT)

C'mon if the third seamers job is to contain and make runs in the lower order, then maybe the selectors should have gone with someone like Anwar Ali, he bowls well and is definetly handy as a lower order batsman, plus he gets good swing.

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 13:45 GMT)

@avas .....This is strange reason.... Tavir Ahmad Vs South Africa....... 6 wicket at an average of 24.83 with 4.51 (HUGE) economy Rate. AB Devillers score double hundred, Kallis score hundred, Amla score 50, ................ Really a dead rubber. Match drawn because of Misbah and Azhar ALi (Both batted in till last moment Azhar score 28 on 135 Balls, and Misbah 58 on 140 balls.... an Unbroken partnership of 87 in 45.2 overs)...

If this is the reason that AZHAR MAHMOOD should be selected ahead of all batsmen because his all 5 best innings in his Test Career are Vs South Africa, (136, 132, 128*, 50*, 41) overall 530 runs with an average per innings 75.71..... Remember that Azhar Mahmood had scored only 900 Test runs with averge of 30.00

Posted by Jason_Mcphee on (January 27, 2013, 13:36 GMT)

There is always a young fast bowler round the corner in Pakistan, instead of Tanvir Ahmed, why didn't they take Asad Ali ? or Sadaf Hussain ? saw a young fast bowler bombarding inswingers in the under 19 world cup but don't remember his name now, he should have been included.

Posted by uzairamir on (January 27, 2013, 13:30 GMT)

so much bowling talent in pakistan and only thing they could come up with is a 34 year old weird selection

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 13:28 GMT)

@counterstrike1.6->Lol cant wait to see you when Pak wins Hahahaha

Posted by uzairamir on (January 27, 2013, 13:27 GMT)

why not saddaf hussain or anwar ali or muhammad talha just these 34 year olds again and again what are the selectors doing wasting all this talent

Posted by Solid_Snake on (January 27, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

Yesssssssss....That's what i was talking about..Ive been asking where is Tanvir.So finally he made his way back.Glad to see both of them.Tanvir is perfect for such pitches.He proved it in the tour of NZ & in the series against SA..Everybody was talking about Rahat Ali.Lets see what he has got.Impressive FC stats btw..I hope he goes well in his debut match

Posted by Sachit1979 on (January 27, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

Good move by PCB eventually. Now I see Tanvir and Rahat as regulars and Faisal and Taufeeq as cover. :)

Posted by LillianThomson on (January 27, 2013, 13:12 GMT)

Tanvir is there because they have woken up and realised that their third seamer's job is containment and lower order runs.

Tanvir can bat at eight and allows Umar Gul to bat at nine, which is about right.

Posted by farhan4050 on (January 27, 2013, 13:00 GMT)

@counterstrike 1.6 : If you had a bit of cricketing sense, you sure wouldn't have commented this which I'm sure you don't. Your name shows that, go on play video games, this isn't CS 1.6. This is one of the flattest wicket in SA. That's the reason our tail-enders performed, like Gul and Junaid. Bowling out their Invitation team with batsmen having a 43+ average on 257 is not a piece of cake.

On the other hand, I would have liked Sadaf Hussain to be for Tanvir Ahmed. Though Tanvir Ahmed can Bat too, His bowling is not up to the mark while he is quite aged too. We need to see the future too. Anyways, Best of Luck Pakistan!

Posted by avas on (January 27, 2013, 12:49 GMT)

Tanvir has a 5 wicket haul against SA and a test bowling average of 24, i think he deserves a chance

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 12:44 GMT)

This is been really a bizarre selection. as Tanvir Ahamd at the age of 34 is coming back with a recent performance of 13 wickets in his last 5 fast class matches at an average of 28.61 and Rahat Ali with 18 wickets in last 4 first class games..... I am still not understanding why our selectors are not watching SADAF HUSSAIN, who is best young bowler in 2011-12 season in pakistan and even in current domestic competition he have 23 wickets in his bag in 3 games at an average of 12.08 per wicket. WHY WHY WHY ? EVEN last year he was selected for WID tour but did not get any game. and then during selection for srilanka last year IQBAL QASIM said he is our future prospect... so now really CAN't understand ... Pakistan is a land of quick bowlers, EVEN 18 years old ZIA ul HAQ from Lahore has done far better than these two. he has collected 17 wicket in his last four games at 16.94, WAQAS MAQSOD got 17 wickets in two games at 12.29 per wicket.

CAN ANY ONE CLEAR MY MIND FOR this selection ? ?

Posted by drnaveed on (January 27, 2013, 12:40 GMT)

why not wahab riaz ?...... not heard of rahat ali. we needed an experience bowler, in this important series against SA, who could use his experience to bowl on such surfaces. ehsan adil , on the other hand was not given much bowling even in the recently concluded final b/w HBL and SGL, So how any one expects him to be selected in the test side at all, as the captain didn't had faith in his bowling at the domestic level here.

Posted by SK14 on (January 27, 2013, 12:32 GMT)

Why dosen't sadaf hussain get a call up?, Tanvir Ahmed is a class bowler but we need "pace" and "swing" to overcome SA batsmen. Haven't seen Rahat before, anyone know anything about the bloke?.

Posted by Stark62 on (January 27, 2013, 12:30 GMT)

When I saw the headline, I thought it was Sohail Tanvir and I was about to go berserk.

Anyway, these two are great additions and especially, that of Rahat Ali but I'm still mystified as to, why Sadaf Hussain hasn't been picked yet!!

Posted by   on (January 27, 2013, 12:29 GMT)

The inclusion of Rahat is to be admired and was/is the Pakistani peoples choice for inclusion, but instead of Tanvir there are many more faster bowlers, why not choose from them and look to groom the next set of Pakistan seamers. In SAF it is more bowler friendly for fast bowlers than spinners and this move is commendable. I just hope Pakistan can make a brilliant game of it and show the world that beating England 3-0 was no fluke and Pakistan really are giant killers.....

Posted by Ishtiyaqrasool on (January 27, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

It will not make much difference coz pakistan batting line up is so brittle that even their strong pace attack will not save them from a heavy defeat...

Posted by a.syed81 on (January 27, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

Why not Wahab Riaz? Best of luck to both these bowlers.

Posted by HashmiMA on (January 27, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

Good to have back up bowlers readily available in SA as Irfan could be injury prone due to his height. And other bowlers are relatively new in SA conditions. Good to have Tanvir back in squad as he can generate good pace on bouncy tracks of SA if in rythm.

Other 2 bowlers are totally new to all of us, so we need to see who gets a chance to don Paki Green colors in SA this time.

Posted by faranian882 on (January 27, 2013, 12:14 GMT)

Sadaf hussain should be given a chance.

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