Pakistan in South Africa 2012-13

Waqar questions bowling selections

Umar Farooq

February 19, 2013

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Tanvir Ahmed in action on his first day of Test cricket, Pakistan v South Africa, 2nd Test, Abu Dhabi, 1st day, November 20, 2010
Waqar Younis has questioned Tanvir Ahmed's inclusion in Pakistan's Test squad for the South Africa series © AFP
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Former Pakistan coach Waqar Younis has expressed his disappointment with the think-tank for the selection of medium-pacers Tanvir Ahmed and Rahat Ali for the tour to South Africa.

"Pakistan is known for its fast-bowling legacy over the last five decades," Waqar told ESPNcricinfo. "We are better than this and have better options than Tanvir. I don't know what the selectors and team management have seen in him. Do they not know we need a bowler who can bowl with sheer pace in South Africa? Where is Aizaz Cheema and Wahab Riaz? Why weren't they picked in the first place?"

Tanvir's previous national call-up was in May 2011, after which he was dropped for his poor performance and fitness. Before he was dropped, he played four Tests and picked up 16 wickets. Shortly after the Pakistan team landed in South Africa, Ali and Tanvir were called in as late reinforcements to bolster a side that already had four quicks.

Tanvir's outing in the second Test was disappointing. He bowled only 10 overs out of 102.1 in the first innings and was given another five overs in the second innings to finish with figures of 10-4-26-0 and 5-0-43-1. He failed to impress with the new ball, bowling at a speed of around 120kph.

One of Pakistan's selectors refused to take the responsibility for Tanvir's selection, saying the team management had demanded reinforcement and it was their decision to play him in the final XI.

The management did not use all the frontline bowlers picked for the series. Mohammad Irfan, who was set to play the first Test, was left out for Ali. Left-arm spinner Abdur Rehman was benched for the second Test, while Ehsan Adil, a young fast bowler who was picked after a strong domestic performance, only bowled in the nets.

"The problem isn't Tanvir. It lies with the selectors and the team think-tank who have to decide where they are going," Waqar said. "I am really disappointed with Umar Gul, too. In my time, consistency was the key for every bowler. There was always a plan and a back-up plan every time, with a lot of commitment, but here everything looked uncertain."

In spite of being known for their fast bowlers, Pakistan have relied on spinners over the last three years, following bans on Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir. Saeed Ajmal has emerged as a dependable strike bowler for Pakistan on all surfaces. "He [Ajmal] will continue to play his part with success - because he knows his role and his line and length," Waqar said. "We talk about our fragile batting, but it's the fast bowlers who are letting the team down. Gul looked bad with both the new and old ball."

Waqar said Pakistan wasted the new ball in both Tests. "We bowled to their strengths. South Africa simply bowled in the right areas at perfect lengths. Pakistan were in a good position in the second Test, thanks to Ajmal's outstanding bowling. But we lost the opportunity and handed them a win."

Umar Farooq is ESPNcricinfo's Pakistan correspondent

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Posted by   on (February 22, 2013, 0:05 GMT)

@ kiwirocker - lets not talk about dodgy umpiring decisions. Blame lies on Pakistan for losing. Pakistan - not bad umpires, not selectors, not captain, not individual players .Pakistan win together, they must lose together also. Pick the youngsters - whats to lose? blood a kid in too young and he may never recover from the punishment Amla, King Kallis, Smith, Devilliers, Faf will bestoe upon them. Never mind the pace barrage they will have to face. NO, rather leave them at home to get more experience... please

Posted by sanjum27 on (February 21, 2013, 19:10 GMT)

Well said Waqar, exactly what I think that in recent times Pakistani bowlers are letting the team down particularly fast bowlers. What ever happened to the good old reverse swing that we were masters of? Now no one can do it at all in our team. In this series though two major selection blunders have costed Pakistan dearly. First not playing Irfan in the first test on lively pitch and secondly leaving out Rehman in the second. If Rehman played SA would have been out for less than 200 in the first innings. I don't know what team management was thinking even I could select a better team.

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 16:42 GMT)

We need to find a good selection against best Team.Pakistan is such a team always unconsus for the format of test cricket.The are need to be performed and i think they have enough pace attaking optoin than present.

Posted by CricketMaan on (February 20, 2013, 13:26 GMT)

i said this b4 the start of the series. Junaid is fragile and the question was can he play 3 tests on trot and take the load on his own!! He broke and all hell broke loose. Apart from England and Aus (and to some extent in SA) fast bowling line up is looking weak, not just in talent and ability but also fitness!! If Junaid does not recover we might see Eshan play and that 3 debutants in 3 Tests..WOW

Posted by Israr75 on (February 20, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

I thing Waqar has just stated the obvious but, we should use this to avoid the frailty of our batting issue. As stated by Waqar the selection board have to screw there heads on and maybe if they can't make there mind up just read the forums and they wil know who to select. 2nd test was ours for taking but due to poor selection we lost. It was obvious the pitch was going to turn and we relied too much on Hafeez not to pick rehman who would have nade the difference between the 2 sides. Iy would have been styn & Philander vs Rehman & Adjmal and we would have done them. Considering we didint pick Rehman because we had Hafeez, Hafeez still only bowled 10 overs where as Ajmal was bowling none stop from the otherside.

And finally, As much as I am an advocate of Misbah and he has done great things for cricket in past few years. His decisions in this match was below par, bowling changes, player selection...very poor. Positive to take from the match is we gave the saffers run for the money

Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 20, 2013, 11:50 GMT)

Pak bowlers figures in first class and tests

Name - - - - - - - - - Age - Wickets - AVG.(FC) - Wickets/Avg (Tests)

Sadaf Hussain - - - (23) -- 171 - 17.43

Ehsan Adil - - - - - (19) -- 059 - 18.94

Rahat Ali - - - - - -- (24) -- 152 - 21

Junaid Khan - - - -- (23) -- 246 - 21.86 - - - - - 29 - 28

Asad Ali - - - - - - - (24) -- 355 - 22.87

M.Irfan - - - - - - (30) -- 131 - 26.23

Wahab Riaz - - - - (27) -- 320 - 28.19 - - - -- 17 - 34.11

Umar Gul - - - - - - (29) -- 326 - 28.26 - - - - 162 - 33.53

Gul & W.Riaz are the worst Pak bowlers as can be seen from the above stats.

. ESPNCricInfo Please publish. .

Posted by StarsnStumps on (February 20, 2013, 11:35 GMT)

Gul looks clueless in tests ... i think he needs a season of county cricket and needs to get back to the basics, learn how to swing the new ball and rediscover how to swing the old one all of which can be done in one season of county cricket ... look at anderson ... his career has had a remarkable turn around after proper application gul can do it too just needs to get his head straight and go back to the basics.

As for the current crop of pakistani fast bowlers ... not very encouraging the only bowlers who have some promise are all left arm bowlers which gives little variety also none of them seem to be able to swing the ball new or old (Junaid excepted of course) anyone know the reason why?

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (February 20, 2013, 9:56 GMT)

Agreed with Waqar 100%.-I almost feel a pain when Pakistani and non Pakistani fans jump the band wagon and criticize Misbah.When a certain boom boom had left Pakistani captaincy against England and Salman Butt ruined Pakistan's reputation, it was Misbah who led Pakistan to what Pakistan is now. Without, cricket in Pakistan, Pakistan is still rated No.4 in test cricket.Lets talk about this series: Misbah has scored two 40+ scores.Misbah was Pak's best batsman even in that disappointing 49!What wrong Misbah has done? Misbah deserves all the praise for cleaning other's mess.SA won first test match thanks to four umpiring decisions against Pak and Pak gave them a tough competition in second test.The issue for Pak has been their openers,Gul and wicketkeeper.If fingre has to be pointed then it is@ Pak selectors.Why pick Rahat and Tanvir?What wrong Wahab, Sadaf and Rizwan(Pak's best wicketkeeper)has done?2-0 result is misleading!SA's pace duo and only two batsmen have fired so far really!!

Posted by Pilot777 on (February 20, 2013, 9:15 GMT)

Waqar is Spot on. Except for Irfans few good overs we were very poor in the seam bowling department. Umar Gul has definitely gone of the boil in the last few years with only occasional glimpses of what he is really capable. But the blame for selection is with the PCB who lack vision or any determination to look for the raw talent that Imran used to conjure up (Wasim, Waqar, Inzi all game changing players). The selection panel is made up of ex players who's greatest claim to fame was as either 12th Man or bringing on the drinks. The debacle of Inzi coming in for a few days as batting coach is laughable. He needs to be given the opportunity to work a lot longer with our Batsmen. Also Safraz really is not of International standard as a Wkt keeper/ Batsman, his batting is very bad. Pakistan need either to stick with Kamran or his younger brother Adnan! Finally the age old problem of the opener inability to set a platform is the real Achilles heal!

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 8:56 GMT)

though there is plenty to play for pakistan to avoid white wash but i would say why not try ehsan instead of gul. yeh gul experienced but so far he hasnt done in past few tests, last test 2nd inings he was worst with all experience and that on defending 182.

I would say test ehsan adil and junaid for tanveer if fit. plus also give a try to another batsman instead of jamshed/hafeez. ( hafeez has bowling so that makes him play ).

Posted by Syed_imran_abbas on (February 20, 2013, 8:53 GMT)

i agree with waqar.. i have been shouting from ages that gul is letting Pakistan down. give someone like ehsan adil a chance. or likes of anwar ali in one dayers. i wish they would have selected rehman in last game. my team for nex game would be. (1) Nasir (2) Hafeez (3) Azhar (4) younas (5) misbah (6) shafeeq (7) sarfraz "bcz no other choice" (8) ehsan adil (9) ajmal (10) junaid khan (11) irfan

Posted by   on (February 20, 2013, 8:52 GMT)

yes waqar is right, 1st rahat/tanveer both were late inclusions and played 1st ahead of the 1st selected ehsan adil. 2nd tanveer bowls too slow and the screaming on each ball is funny. Irafan should have been included in 1st test , that i think everybody agrees. if , as been explained, he was not ready then should not have been picked for tour in 1st place.

and yes there was no support available to ajmal in 2nd test, though i would put all on batting faliure in 2nd inings, but still figures of tanveer/gul in 2nd inings, rpo & no wickets tells that pak wanted to win on just 1 bowler. that will not work against all teams.

Posted by RA122 on (February 20, 2013, 8:36 GMT)

I don't know who picks up the featured comment but it does seem to be a bit muddled as the selection of pakistan team. @ satishchandar you have missed the point all together. Waqar is rightly saying that Tanvir did not deserve to be picked for the touring side in the first place. We do have much better players than him and at 34 why are you giving a guy with no potential a chance over an upcomming youngster. This sort of things can only be expected of PCB management who no one can question and even if someone does they don't care. Secondly now is the time that Azhar needs to be retained as he has shown signs of comming back to form in the second innings. I hope Tanvir has been tried and tested for the final time and some heads should role for this pathetic game plan.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 20, 2013, 8:28 GMT)

Pakistani bowlers during the last 30 months.;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;qualmax1=200;qualmin1=2;qualval1=wickets;spanmin1=01+oct+2010;spanval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

Umar Gul has played most matches and he is the worst of the lot in terms of average(34.8) and economy(3.32).


Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 20, 2013, 7:34 GMT)

Pakistani bowlers during the last 30 months.;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;spanmin1=15+Sep+2010;spanval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

Umar Gul has played most matches and he is the worst of the lot in terms of average(34.8) and economy(3.32).


Posted by Dannymania on (February 20, 2013, 6:50 GMT)

Agree 100% with everything Waqar said..He got it absolutely right.Tanvir & GUL were the disappointments.But i dont think cheema would've done anything special either.Wahab riaz might have,but that wasnt possible.Ajmal did extremely well which leads us straight to Rehman.He wasnt selected and thats why pakistan lost the game.They could've defended this low total if they had Rehman and ajmal going continuously at the batsmen.Still NOT too late,pakistan can win a test to have some respite.Go in with Ajmal,Rehman and Hafeez and spin their way into a victory.Southafricans are the best in the world and they play fast bowling tremendously well.NOT spin though.this is their weakness that pakistan should exploit.Anyway,i'm gonna support and root for pakistan whether they play well or not,because i'm a cricket fan.I'ld like pakistan to win but its alright with me even if they dont.i just wanna watch Pakistan vs Southafrica.And remember,Southafricans r gonna tour UAE after this,Pak can win there!

Posted by Lahore-Badshah on (February 20, 2013, 6:34 GMT)

Yes waqar is right. Pakistan team management made mistakes in team selection. If I would have been head coach of the team I would straight away select Abdur Rehman for 2nd Test after his brillient performance in side match although was not one of very strong teams in domestic African structure but wicket at newlands was slow and helpful for spinners. And every one did know this well ahead of the start of second test. I would say Misbah a coward captain. He most of the time looks to Draw test matches rather then winning. And it is always clear from his own performance as well.

Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 20, 2013, 6:05 GMT)

Since the next wicket is expected to be pacey and boucy I prefer the following team.

1. Hafeez, 2.Jamshed, 3.Azhar, 4.Younis, 5.Misbah, 6.Shafiq, 7.Sarfraz, 8.Ajmal, 9.Junaid, 10.Irfan, 11.Ehsan/Rahat.

If the pitch turns out to be like the 2nd test, then A.Rehman for Eshsan/Rahat.


Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 20, 2013, 6:00 GMT)

Though Waqar is right about Tanvir's Pace, but why is he ignoring Gul's pace. Since a long time Gul has been bowling 130-135 kmph and that is also not good enough. Also he always bowls wide and short with the new ball, thus wasting the advantage of the new ball. By the time other bowlers get the ball it is already 10 overs old. (This happened with Irfan in the 1st innings, & with Rahat in the 1st Test).

If a guy has not learnt his basics after 10 years of international cricket then he will never learn. He sould be simply dumped. And for God's sake, please do not bring back Wahab. He is worst. ditto for Sami. .


Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 20, 2013, 5:50 GMT)

Regarding Tanvir, Wagar is right that if his pace is down to 120 kmph then the PCB should have known this before sending him as re-inforcement. Also the Team think tank (Misbah & Coach) should have seen this during the nets. If Tanvir's pace has hit such low, then they should have preferred Ehsan Adil who has a first class bowling average of 17. After all the PCB has not sent him for sight seeing in SA. Obviously they felt that he was good enough for international games, hence was selected in the original squad (ahead of Tanvir) in such an important series.


Posted by revolution72 on (February 20, 2013, 3:57 GMT)

nasir, hafeez, azhar, younis, misbah, shafiq, kamran, ajmal, irfan, junaid, rahman

Posted by getsetgopk on (February 20, 2013, 1:48 GMT)

Umar Gul shines once in a blue moon. I watched his bowling closely and its not that he can't be successful but rather his lack of or inability to repeatedly land the ball on good lengths. He got seam movement in the 2nd test but only when he pitched the ball up on good length. When he was bowling to Petersen, he pitched one ball up and beat the bat but the next ball was way too short and got smacked for 4. A leading bowler shouldn't be doing that. Look at steyn for example. He will bowl you a halfvoley like once in 90 delivers. Where as Gul will do that once or twice an over. If you bowl even a single bad delivery an over then thats enough for the worlds top ranked team to put you in place. And I think it is this mixed bag of balls that has brought him success in limited overs cricket. Doesn't bowl a consistent line and the batsman is always guessing whats the next delivery going to be. You can't do that in test as the batter is never in a hurry, he waits for bad balls!

Posted by getsetgopk on (February 20, 2013, 1:31 GMT)

Ricky_Ponting: Hits the nail on the head. HAFEEZ played 4 innings so far and has nothing to show for other than his 4 wickets for 16 runs in the first innings. People always look to his bowling including myself and no doubt a wonderful bowler but what we need most is a quality batsman up the order. Our problem has always been our batting not bowling. Even with Tanvir in the side, we managed to bowl out the worlds best team for less than the total we made in the first innings. Even the debutant Jamshed managed something out of his 4 innings. A 46 in his second innings of 1st test but Hafeez? And the worse thing is that he's been made the vice captain of the side. If he can't bat in these conditions then making him the captain of the side one day will have a demoralizing effect on the whole side. If Hafeezs' all that experience is not able to bring us results overseas then there is no point in keeping him in the team. Drop him and give chance to another deserving youngster.

Posted by IAS2009 on (February 20, 2013, 0:15 GMT)

poor selection costing the series is not acceptable, Waqar is right to some extent, PCB have to invest in good talented Fast bowlers, i am not sure what is the point of Rahat and Tanveer selection, Rahat could be good bowler not now, batting, where do i start, if the idea is to survive why playing all the balls out side off stump, and why play dot balls between 30-85 overs like Misbah and Azhar did, it was painful to watch, it was all known what the 2nd new ball will do so why not score runs and ride out the 20 overs from new ball. It is good learning for mistake, but the fix should be happening. Overall the team is good but the mistakes are blunders they should be corrected, Pakistan is alway attacking side, they have beaten many good top teams,

Posted by johnal on (February 19, 2013, 23:59 GMT)

hi i agree with waqar why was rehman left out tanvir look ed out of depth.rehman and ajmal would have been a better combination . great for mohammed irfan.and the young batsmen azhar and asad fantastic fronm younis khan .pakistan surely missing mohammed yousuff . inshaallah one will come soon from salim ali .trinidad west indies

Posted by Ricky_Ponting on (February 19, 2013, 20:39 GMT)

Forget about the bowling, bowlers did the best they could. I mean what else can you expect from bowlers against the best batting line up in the world?? The most pathetic display was from the opening pair of Hafeez and the other guy. Its a shame that no one is bringing that up and nothing is being done to rectify it.

Posted by djdrastic on (February 19, 2013, 20:10 GMT)

If Rehman played the second test , we would have certainly lost that test to the Pakistanis. He's a darn good bowler.

Posted by oayaz01 on (February 19, 2013, 18:10 GMT)

Why Rehman was benched for 2nd test will remain a mystery to me for rest of my life. It was as Misbah and Whatmore thought they had Ambrose, Marshall and Garner as three seamers so they played an extra seamer and not spinner.

Waqar should know that the legacy has gone, things have moved on from his time. Now in the western world they work on biomechanics right from an early age to get the action right and with right diet and strength bowlers add up pace to their armoury. Broad and Finn and examples of bowlers who weren't natural fast bowlers but have picked up courtesy investment by ECB. Things are different in Pakistan and we can't produce and Waqar or Shoaib every now and then, so till PCB invests at grass root levels and do something about it, we will get Tanvir and Rahat type material.

About Gul - He is mentally weak bowler and can not take pressure. These days he instead of banging the ball, tries to bowl cutters, not sure who taught him this but he is just not a test bowler.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2013, 18:05 GMT)

I dont think Pak will ever be able to beat SA as their front line batsmen are simply not good enough to face their super fast bowlers bowling at near 90 miles and moving the ball both ways. Moreover Captains like Misbah batting at 2 runs an over will never win test matches in SA or in Australia. Our cricketers of the past who won test matches were all groomed in England playing county cricket which is not there any more. Most of our present day test cricketers are from Lahore where the pitches are flat and the new ball does not move so how can we expect them to face super fast moving balls.

Posted by romirom on (February 19, 2013, 17:57 GMT)

how somebody except win wit 6 batsman 3 bowler in test match? I would only say that sarfaraj is pure no. 11 batsman. Every time when he gets chance he underperform. Hop we will not see him anymore at least in test cricket. Same for tanvir as well.

Posted by azurecharms on (February 19, 2013, 17:40 GMT)

Ehsan Adil has little experience with kookaburra balls! His performance dipped when he switched from using domestic balls to kookaburra.

Still, wont hurt! He will be better than Tanvir.

Sami has been unlucky. In 2010 series against Aus at Hobart he got 3 in1st inning and Kamran dropped several catches during both innings on his bowling. He got dropped from 2nd test, thanks to Kamran Akmal's brilliant glove work. Dropped three catches of M. Hussey off of Kaneria too in one over during same series. Pak lost both matches because of Kamran.

Posted by 777aditya on (February 19, 2013, 17:27 GMT)

If Ehsan Adil is the guy who has come through under-19s, he is damn good. I remember one bowler in the under-19s in the last under-19 WC and that guy was real good. As for Riaz and Cheema, they have got a raw deal. Pakistan team selection never made any sense and when they dropped Mohammad Yusuf (Youhana), when he was eager to play, it reached the helm of idiocy. No point commenting on fragile batting when such great batsmen are left out pointlessly. The test teams of Pakistan change so fast, that it is difficult actually to remember any other names! All they do is give chance to greenhorns and drop the proven old-timers without rhyme or reason.

Posted by ReverseSweepIndia on (February 19, 2013, 17:20 GMT)

I am sure Indian fast(?) bowlers are lot better than Tanvir and Rahat and even Gul in current form. Its not to say that our bowlers have become good overnight but just to mention how bad these two bowlers were over these 2 tests. Its not everyday that you see spine from Pak batting the way Younis and Shafiq showed and they gave perfect platform for bowlers. I was really wishing & hoping for Pak win in second test. I have always believed that if batter can give 300 to this lineup, they can rattle any, I repeat any lineup in world. But I think there so no cure for dumb selections.

Posted by syedmnaqvi on (February 19, 2013, 17:17 GMT)

my playing XI for 3 test match would be be Misbah-ul-Haq, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed, Younis Khan, Mohammad Hafeez, Nasir Jamshed, Imran Farhat, Abdur Rehman, Junaid Khan, Mohammad Irfan, Saeed Ajmal. It would make heck of a team.

Posted by dadali on (February 19, 2013, 17:15 GMT)

Pakistan is suffering from bad keeper and an openning pair since years now. Nothing was done to rectify it. To further aggravate the problem of Pakistan pace bowlers are not performing consistently and if there is any fitness issue with a good bowler we do not have a back up. I am compleletly agree with Waqar's concern here. An opportunity is lost by Pakistan. I'd rather prefer Abdur Rehman over Tanvir. He (Abdur) might have utilized the roughs just like Peterson used while he bowled. His wicket of Misbah really was the turning point. Gul should play ODI and T20 only now as his reverse swing ability might have faded out. I support the inclusion of Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan as our frontline bowlers with couple new talented all rounders in the team for next couple of years. Mind it we are just 17 points away from the top spot in test cricket ranking. It's not too late, selectors should listen to the greats of the past such as Waqar to rectify the issues hurting Pakistan badly.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2013, 16:46 GMT)

Would anybody plzzz make the team managment to include EHSAN ADL in the final test, he is young, energatic, pacy & potent. his 1st class record replicates Philander's in tests. And I can see no logic in the inclusion of Rahat & Tanvir, who were called as back up... and keeping out Ehsan, who was slected as a 1st choice for the tour...

Posted by veeezel on (February 19, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

sorry forgot to mention sarfraz ahmed iqbal qasim was pure no 11 in his days but even he could have done better then sarfraz in the 2nd test match

Posted by   on (February 19, 2013, 15:57 GMT)

Lost the series, Give rest to Junaid to regain fitness for ODIs, Well deserved chance to Ehsan Adil. (Irfan, Ehsan, Gul or even Rahat Ali n Ajmal)

Posted by veeezel on (February 19, 2013, 15:57 GMT)

As soon Iqbal Qasim took over as chief selector I was dreading that we will become a laughing stock for the cricketing world and i proved right some of his selections does not make any cricketing sense at all for example bringing m sami back for all three format then droped him when he got hammered faisal iqbal travelling to south africa for vocations rahat ali and then tanvir ahmed list just goes on and now they are blaming the managment cricket lovers demand to know who is responsible for all those blunders and should make acountable to the public of pakistan that is the least they can do to justify for having that responsible posetion they hold on

Posted by Sports4Youth on (February 19, 2013, 15:50 GMT)

Waqar is spot-on regarding his dissapointment with Gul, and also with the new ball as well as the old ball. He is also right about wasting the new ball in both the tests. But Gul has always been like this. In the last 3 years or so Gul has taken wickets at an average of 33+ with a very high economy. All good teams & batsmen have taken him to the cleaners.

But Waqar has dissapointed me by asking "where is Wahab Riaz ?" Is he serious ? He has got to be jocking. Riaz has proven to be even more eratic and purposeless bowler than Gul. And now he wants him back. No wonder people like Wahab, Sami, Sohail Tanivir keep getting selected. Time and again we have seen that Wahab & Sami only have pace, they lack the maturity and planning to get top class batsmen.

Waqar is right regarding the selections of both the tests. Irfan should not have been benched in the 1st test. And Tanvir should not have played the 2nd Test. He is right that young Ehsan Ail was a better choice than Tanvir.


Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (February 19, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

I loved watching Waqar bowl, one of my all time favourites to watch, such a pity we dont see fast bowlers like him around anymore....

Posted by azurecharms on (February 19, 2013, 15:20 GMT)

On Day 2 of 2nd test, I was hoping PCB will send Sami and Wahab Riaz to replace Tanvir and Rahat. They didnt! Now in the 3rd test they will have to play with whatever resources they have at hand; Irfan, Gul and Rahat/Adil and Ajmal. Junaid will play if he is fit. But without Junaid, current attack is going nowhere. Ajaml is just one decent bowler, cant do much alone without an striker's support at the other end. Probably, Pak will give chance to Adil with Irfan, Gul and Ajmal. I would like to play, Sami, Wahab, Irfan and Junaid.

Posted by zalmaypk on (February 19, 2013, 15:16 GMT)

True saying please waqar come on and take over it again,,we don't need whahtmore .. in his era we lost the 2nd consecutive test series,,before him it was you,,who made and left a strong team which defeated England,.,,Pcb must bring waqar again,,otherwise we will be at number 10 in test ranking,,,

Posted by SurlyCynic on (February 19, 2013, 15:11 GMT)

I've always enjoyed watching Pakistani fast bowlers. So seeing Tanvir's selection and performance was a shock.

Posted by drKay on (February 19, 2013, 15:04 GMT)

Waqar's every word is True in this article , agree with the guys asking for Umar gul to leave.Pakistan just have Irfan & Junaid the wicket taking frontline Fast bowlers at the moment. (Ehsan Adil has yet to play n prove himself so hope he can joing Junaid & Irfan in fast bowling attack) Wahab Riaz hasnt shown any sign of great bowler except one performance against India in an ODI, otherwise his economy is very poor & He was nt consistent too(see his stats plz)......Lets hope some more Pacy Swing bowlers To come for Pakistan Like Imran , Wasim ,Waqar ,Amir, & Shoaib ......

Posted by uzairamir on (February 19, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

@MSHG mohammad talha hasnt had a good run in domestic season thats why hes dissapeared from the news

Posted by funnykid on (February 19, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

Waqar is absolutely right, along with the batting, its the fast bowlers who are most disappointing. We simply do not have quality fast bowleres. Aizaz Cheema is a spent force, Wahab can be a good bowler if he works hard and brings some technical improvement so can be Irfan. Irfan needs to learn to bring the ball in to the right handers then he'll be lethal. Misbah and Whatmore should explain to the public as to why joy ride was provided to two undeserving players and why tax payers money was spent so ruthlessly without any benefit to the national team.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2013, 14:44 GMT)

Irfan is outstanding and needs to be developed. Junaid Khan has tonnes of talent as well. Cheema has proven what he can do as a quickie.

Tanvir...well he looked out of place. Could probably be a strike bowler if he was playing for Canada or Kenya?

That second test was ours....Another 40 to 50 runs and South Africa would have been in trouble. Another strike bowler instead of Tanvir and we could have even defended the 182.

Posted by drnaveed on (February 19, 2013, 14:32 GMT)

ok, if so , than please tell your commentators also that your bowlers are also good with the used ball, because it was not me but your commentators , who were constantly mentioning that so and so many overs are left for the second new ball to arrive, as if they did'nt had faith in their bowlers to get wickets with the used balls. yes, i was giving my observations on just these 2 test matches , which i had seen recently,i wrote what i felt , i may be wrong.... ?

Posted by MSHG on (February 19, 2013, 14:32 GMT)

Does any body know where is Mohammad Talha ? Hewas also said to be a good prospects.

Posted by edgie on (February 19, 2013, 13:51 GMT)

@drnaveed, please dont be one of those people who is commenting based on following the game for only one week! That "so-called" best atack, SI the best attack. If bothered researching or evening just noticing the way the Proteas have been performing the last 4-6 years, they are the best. Just a reminder, drnaveed, you need 20 wickets to win a test, not 500 runs, or 1000 runs (though it does help), but those 20 wickets are critical to winning tests, and if you bothered checking, South Africa and that "so-called best attack, have done it REGULARLY, infact they have done it TWICE against pakistan. And please, dont use the "with the new ball they are strong but with the old ball they are not", the 2nd innings of the second test, they got all their wickets even before the secondnew ball was taken. So , drnaveed, research, and get our facts straight, PLEASE!!!!!

Posted by drnaveed on (February 19, 2013, 13:44 GMT)

agreed, umar gul is not at all near the class of fast bowlers , we used to had in the past , like fazal , imran, waseem, waqar and shoaib. but in this match, catches were dropped of his bowling. he could have easily had picked 4 to 5 wkts in the match, instead of just one. he needs to work hard, if he wants to save his place in the side.

Posted by   on (February 19, 2013, 13:35 GMT)

It really did feel like pakistan had only one bowler, granted SA have the best batting line up in the world but pak have better bowlers than tanveer surely (abdur rehman should have played). We should put up a better bowling performance in the next test, as far as batting is concerned not much can be done with the current crop of batters. Just need to select batsmen with better techniques and not how they perform in T20 street cricket.

Posted by drnaveed on (February 19, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

agreed with waqar younis views on selection of those 2 medium pacers in the team.add to it , the selection of wk sarfaraz was also a decision that backfired. well for this SA side , i think that if any side can see off the initial 20 to 25 overs of this so called world's best pace attack bowlers,than it is than easy to pile up runs against the world's number 1 side. even the commentators start counting how many overs are left for the next new ball to arrive. yes, they are very deadly bowlers with the new ball, but i am afraid not so when the ball becomes old....

Posted by CorneredTigersFTW on (February 19, 2013, 13:21 GMT)

I don't know why nobody will mention the obvious here but I'll say it. Umar gul might be a good limited-overs bowler but in test matches, his performance is average AT BEST. His movement isn't threatening at all and his line & length go all over the place if he gets smashed for a couple of deliveries

Posted by billbowden311 on (February 19, 2013, 13:18 GMT)

People please listen to what I am going to say. It is time to move on, Gul's test career is over, he hasn't bowled any reverse swing for the past 3 years now. I don't know why all the commentators are calling him a great exponent of reverse swing. Also half the time I see him bowl, he doesn't even seem like he is bowling with his true heart. He looks like he is bowling because it is his job and he does it effortlessly, therefor batsmen are able to secret runs from him. For the future I think now is the perfect time to groom a new strike bowler, my option would be Junaid khan, as he is getting the ball to swing in places like UAE and Sri lanka. I think the new bowling line up should look something like this, Ehsan Adil/Wahab Riaz, Saeed Ajmal, Mohammed Irfan and Junaid khan.

Posted by Omer.Iftikhar on (February 19, 2013, 13:14 GMT)

Hit the nail on the head as far as our pace attack is concerned. Having been spoilt by watching Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib ripping through teams for a good ten to fifteen years of my life, the current bowlers don't even come close. Only Junaid Khan seems to be anywhere near that calibre, what with Gul in the twilight of his career. I believe that we must now focus on Ehsan Adil, Junaid, Irfan and Wahab as our core pace attack for the longer format of the game, and restrict Gul to ODI and T20s where he would be most effective. Anwar Ali may also be a good prospect, but he needs to be given a proper chance.

Posted by wrenx on (February 19, 2013, 12:55 GMT)

All valid reasons, and also all good reasons for South Africa being the stronger side. Even with perfect selection, it would be a tough ask for this Pakistan team to beat South Africa at home on their very best day, we shouldn't be too hard on them

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