South Africa news April 22, 2012

Bangladesh propose series against South Africa

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Cricket South Africa (CSA) is considering a request from the Bangladesh board president Mustafa Kamal for South Africa to play Bangladesh in May, CSA's acting chief executive Jacques Faul has said. Kamal made a request to CSA president Willie Basson last week and offered to pay all the costs, whether the series takes place in Bangladesh or South Africa.

"We have received the request and we are in the process of checking whether it would be possible," Faul told ESPNcricinfo. "We've got nothing against it, it's just about scheduling. At the moment, I can say it is a request we are looking at."

Faul will meet with the South African Cricketers' Association (SACA) and national coach Gary Kirsten next week to discuss the possibility of playing the series. He said the decision will be based on South Africa's schedule and whether this fixture can be included without causing fatigue. "We always want to play cricket and foster cricket but we've got to be careful with how much preparation and how much rest we give our team," Faul said. "It is quite important how we pace the team."

Bangladesh have no international cricket scheduled before the World Twenty20 in September. Their trip to Pakistan, for an ODI and a T20 later this month, was put on hold after a court order placed a four-week embargo on the tour, and their visit to Zimbabwe in August was postponed because of work being done on the pitches in Harare and Bulawayo.

By contrast, South Africa's schedule is busy. Having already spent a month in New Zealand, they will go to England for more than two months in early July, head straight to Sri Lanka for the World T20, tour Australia in October and November and then host New Zealand during the home summer.

Even if all parties agree the Bangladesh-South Africa series should go ahead, it will face a number of logistical problems. With the IPL only ending on May 27, South Africa could be without some of their key players. Twenty South African players, including limited-overs captain AB de Villiers and bowlers Dale Steyn and Morne Morkel, are involved in the IPL. Bangladesh, though, only have two players in the competition - Shakib Al Hasan and Tamim Iqbal.

Another issue will be location. The matches are unlikely to be held in Bangladesh because of the heat in summer and Faul confirmed South Africa, where it will be winter in May, was the only possibility as a venue. "Winter will be a factor for sure," Faul said. "Durban is a possible venue but the Highveld [Johannesburg and Centurion] will be out." Cape Town, where in rains in winter, will also not be a possibility.

Another option would be for the series to be held in Zimbabwe, who were approached by the BCB to participate in a tri-series with South Africa. While Zimbabwe Cricket officials could not be reached on Sunday for confirmation on whether they received the request and were considering it, cricket can be played there during their winter. They will host South Africa for five T20 matches, which have not been given international status, in June before maintenance work on their two main centres begins.

Zimbabwe could also travel to South Africa for the proposed tri-series and Faul said CSA would welcome the idea. "We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can."

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • cairo on April 23, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    The Cruel True is, no body has time to help us. But we are pushed to help Pakistani cricket, its looks Good. GOD says, helping hand always better. I am so happy to see South Africa's approach about Zimbabwe, they said ''"We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can." Wish Indian board ever realize same feelings.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    @billy_bilal cmon dude jus bcos BD is not touing pak u dont have to treat them as enemies!! it was PCBs fault that they didnt submit the secuity plan before court gave orders!! forget what happend n lets support each other like brothers as it used to be!!

  • TopOrder_ on April 23, 2012, 11:41 GMT

    BD Fans, couple of matches will not make you a good cricket team, you just came out of a very longgggg losing streak, don't want to go back there do u? . i would suggest BD team to play against teams like Kenya, Ireland or even West Indies. you dont want to enter T20WC with Shoulders down and Angry and broken hearts BD fans.

  • Tawhid_002 on April 23, 2012, 11:41 GMT

    T20 world cup knocking the door. That's why most of the teams playing shorter version cricket like T20, ODI than Test match as a preparation. BCB takes good decision to give a offer to SA. If SA will not agreed for busy schedule than BCB should try to manage some practice matches against top local teams of SA, AUS, ENG, SL etc. These will be very helpful for BD team. At least, they will be on playing. If BCB bring BD team to SL before 2 weeks of the T20 world cup and arrange some practice matches, they will get the result. Hope that BCB will realize it.

  • on April 23, 2012, 11:16 GMT

    SA should send a different team to Bangla,, that will give them some exposure in subcontinent. Also it would bangla big time. Now they want to compete with top level teams. which isint a bad idea,, they would lose no doubt,, but one day this experience will surely benefit them,, as for the SA players who only clap from the camp,, give vilas, de kock, rilee, miller, morris and the other good performing players a chance to play... it will make the series more interesting !!!!

  • Supa_SAFFA on April 23, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    SA should not risk their rankings by sending a B-side to BD. I like the idea of giving some exposure to upcoming players, but BD is not an associate side.

  • on April 23, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    SA can afford to play against BD with their "B" team without affective valuable IPL players and so this is not a bad idea.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on April 23, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    BD will whitewash SA...OMG! Even top level teams not able to win series there!

  • billy_bilal on April 23, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    High Court must surely intervene. SA is a deadly place for sub standard cricketers. Their quicks can surely do some serious damage to Bengali batter's heads and egos.

  • me_rony on April 23, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Maddy20@ We are talking about possibilities. why are you so offended?

  • cairo on April 23, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    The Cruel True is, no body has time to help us. But we are pushed to help Pakistani cricket, its looks Good. GOD says, helping hand always better. I am so happy to see South Africa's approach about Zimbabwe, they said ''"We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can." Wish Indian board ever realize same feelings.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    @billy_bilal cmon dude jus bcos BD is not touing pak u dont have to treat them as enemies!! it was PCBs fault that they didnt submit the secuity plan before court gave orders!! forget what happend n lets support each other like brothers as it used to be!!

  • TopOrder_ on April 23, 2012, 11:41 GMT

    BD Fans, couple of matches will not make you a good cricket team, you just came out of a very longgggg losing streak, don't want to go back there do u? . i would suggest BD team to play against teams like Kenya, Ireland or even West Indies. you dont want to enter T20WC with Shoulders down and Angry and broken hearts BD fans.

  • Tawhid_002 on April 23, 2012, 11:41 GMT

    T20 world cup knocking the door. That's why most of the teams playing shorter version cricket like T20, ODI than Test match as a preparation. BCB takes good decision to give a offer to SA. If SA will not agreed for busy schedule than BCB should try to manage some practice matches against top local teams of SA, AUS, ENG, SL etc. These will be very helpful for BD team. At least, they will be on playing. If BCB bring BD team to SL before 2 weeks of the T20 world cup and arrange some practice matches, they will get the result. Hope that BCB will realize it.

  • on April 23, 2012, 11:16 GMT

    SA should send a different team to Bangla,, that will give them some exposure in subcontinent. Also it would bangla big time. Now they want to compete with top level teams. which isint a bad idea,, they would lose no doubt,, but one day this experience will surely benefit them,, as for the SA players who only clap from the camp,, give vilas, de kock, rilee, miller, morris and the other good performing players a chance to play... it will make the series more interesting !!!!

  • Supa_SAFFA on April 23, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    SA should not risk their rankings by sending a B-side to BD. I like the idea of giving some exposure to upcoming players, but BD is not an associate side.

  • on April 23, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    SA can afford to play against BD with their "B" team without affective valuable IPL players and so this is not a bad idea.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on April 23, 2012, 10:25 GMT

    BD will whitewash SA...OMG! Even top level teams not able to win series there!

  • billy_bilal on April 23, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    High Court must surely intervene. SA is a deadly place for sub standard cricketers. Their quicks can surely do some serious damage to Bengali batter's heads and egos.

  • me_rony on April 23, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Maddy20@ We are talking about possibilities. why are you so offended?

  • Unomaas on April 23, 2012, 9:21 GMT

    I actually think its a good idea with the possibility of both teams benefitting. South Africa has a slight problem leading up to the England series in that they won't have seen Test Cricket action since New Zealand. I know that there are quite a couple of worried Saffers because it you look at what happened in the first test in NZ, the SA batting was sluggish and under prepared. SA need to make sure that when they hit english shores, that they are in peak form. South African fringe players can also be given an opportunity to show what they are made of like De Lange, Tsotsobe, Thami Tsolokile, Alviro Pieterson, Jaques Rudolph, Imran Tahir, etc.

    The opportunity to Bangladesh to test itself in the test arena would also be advantageous as Bangladesh has been receiving alot of positive coverage these days. However, for this to be competitive, It would need to be played in Bangladesh where conditions suit the home team.

  • cairo on April 23, 2012, 9:06 GMT

    without tamim n sakib it should not happen.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on April 23, 2012, 8:29 GMT

    I know its good for Bangladesh Cricket but cant we have more Test matches instead of these silly little T20/ODI series?

    Still fuming that the SA vs Aus Test series was only 2 matches - totally unacceptable. And the Eng vs SA is only 3 matches instead of 5....

  • t.sultan on April 23, 2012, 8:25 GMT

    It is very positive step by BCB. Good luck bd cricket.

  • on April 23, 2012, 7:35 GMT

    Could be nice opportunity for Gary to give the fringe players some cricket and experience.

  • joshuahero_2010 on April 23, 2012, 7:08 GMT

    Gives South Africa opportunity to try stuff.Like De Kock,Vilas,Elgar,Behardien,Mclaren.

  • SNAKEDOCTOR on April 23, 2012, 6:34 GMT

    SA will have to field a B-Team for this series. So many guys out due to other commitments: Kallis , Morkel X 2, Steyn, Dumminy, Du Plessis, Parnell, Levi, Rusty, Botha, AB, De Lange (IPL) , Petersen, Philander ( country cricket) Smith ( Operation). Only Boucher,Amla & Tahir left. Don't think so!!

  • maddy20 on April 23, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    @Emdadullah Mamun That was not necessary. I know see whats going on with Bangladesh cricket. One good performance and it really goes to their head. If these guys really go to SA then they will not last 50 overs forget hundred. Despite of our current horrid form we held SA to 1-1 and have won against England in England in 2007. The fact remains that Bangladesh has not beaten SA, Eng, Aus, India, SL or Pak in a test be it home or away and guess what, they never will.

  • M_Rakibul_Islam on April 23, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Good (& almost unbelievable) initiative 4m BCB. Though BD's lost against SA is almost confirmed but still it'll b profitable 4 them to face the top side of cricket world. @ Venki_indian: Just see head to head per4mance between BD & ZIM, u can see how dominant BD r against Zim since 2004 except last tour though that tour was in winter. Ire & Sco have no match with BD as BD won 5 out of 7 ODIs vs Ire & 3 out of 3 ODIs vs Scottish.

  • tauhid_aks on April 23, 2012, 5:39 GMT

    And please don't compare Jadeja with Shakib.........That is not funny...

  • on April 23, 2012, 5:35 GMT

    Atleast BD will not play like india (FTBs).. BD will win atleast 1 match n who knows mayb the series!!!

  • GBCanada on April 23, 2012, 4:30 GMT

    What will be the use of BCB efforst if court said no.

  • on April 23, 2012, 3:15 GMT

    Its surprising to see how people this days think IPL as more important than the national side. I thought clubs had to release their player should the national team require. This is just stupid, IPL is IPL but when your national team plays, its a completely different feeling.

  • on April 23, 2012, 2:58 GMT

    Players should play for country not for club..............

  • kennybungie1 on April 23, 2012, 2:53 GMT

    bharat Bangladesh team..you call them Tigers you must be kidding....they are the cats of World Cricket.

  • Selfish_Sachin on April 23, 2012, 2:13 GMT

    Go paper tigers...go....you can definitely lose 0-5

  • Venki_indian on April 23, 2012, 1:33 GMT

    @woodhaven24 Keep dreaming.. LOL!!!

  • Venki_indian on April 23, 2012, 1:32 GMT

    It will be of no use, Bangladesh should plan serieses with Ireland, Scotland and Zimbabwe(ofcourse they lost to Zim already); if they win against these teams they can plan to play with other countries; couple of wins in asia cup wont make them a great team.

  • maddy20 on April 23, 2012, 0:52 GMT

    With absolutely no disrespect to Bangladesh they should play in Bangladesh if they want to compete atleast a tiny bit. Saffas are deadly in their backyard and all the confidence that Banglas have earned so far will be dented!

  • Meety on April 23, 2012, 0:30 GMT

    IMO - this appears to be a nice, but misguided effort from the Bangladesh Board. Nice to see them trying to be more proactive in getting matches for their team, but misguided in the sense that a) we are almost in May, b) Saffa availability. I would say an A-tour would be more likely, good luck otherwise. == == == A little surprised that Banga is offeing to pay cost regardless of where the series is played!!!!

  • bharath74 on April 22, 2012, 22:29 GMT

    BD needs overseas tours from top 5 countries. BD have shown a lot of improvement in the last year or so. Go Tigers Go

  • Umbra on April 22, 2012, 21:33 GMT

    @Lord_Dravid: "South Africa is no match for Bangladesh or Zimbabwe"? LOL I hope that's a typo, needless to say...

  • woodhaven on April 22, 2012, 20:08 GMT

    bangladesh is peak of their form. its time to whitewash saf and aussie team. we believe u can do it

  • on April 22, 2012, 19:34 GMT

    its really gd news for bd cricket

  • cricketistheway on April 22, 2012, 19:11 GMT

    So this should open a new research topic : " Can defeat be addictive?" Bangladesh's keeness to play SA or AUS away from home raises this question. If those two teams decline, then they can just hop over across the border to India and get their satisfaction.

  • Gordo85 on April 22, 2012, 18:04 GMT

    The only bad thing that might happen if it does get the green light to me would be obviously picking some fringe players in the South African side. I am only saying that because chances are alot will still be playing twenty/20. Atleast it would help South Africa's reserve players getting a go. Like pick or play one of these other wicket keepers and give them a go at international level maybe a Quinton de Kock or Dane Vilas. However I still think they would more than likely pick Thami Tsolekile since they called him Bouchers understudy sometime ago even though he has played Tests. Also I would love to see David Wiese play for South Africa he deserves it after a number of good years playing well domesticly. But sure if they play sort of a second team it wouldn't mean they are not being serious about who they are playing against because people would know alot of South African players are playing in the league. It could be an experimentation however I am not saying Bangladesh are weak.

  • Sehwag_Is_Ordinary on April 22, 2012, 17:49 GMT

    Since when IPL is bigger than National Team? Players should be released if National Team requires them. Look at this Narine boy who could be a great prospect for WI, instead playing IPL! What a wastage of at ime and talent. Also BCB should propose New Zealand or WI depending on availability

  • on April 22, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    Great idea indeed. Thanks to the BCB chairmen.

  • on April 22, 2012, 17:07 GMT

    Really good initiative. Thanks Mr. Kamal. In the end you have some good ideas to expose. I think it is a time befitting decision. Really Bangladesh is keen to play this series whatever it takes place. Now it is the high time to keep the wining habit for Bangladesh point of view. It will be a wise decision if SA shows interest to play cricket in Bangladesh. They need to capitalize the subcontinent condition. Hot, tight schedule, IPL what I think does not matter if SA has good desire to play. We are really eager to watch real battle in cricket field. Paper tiger is now learning on how to smack down big guys in world cricket like a real tiger.

  • on April 22, 2012, 17:04 GMT

    they shoul play and SA player will leave IPL

  • WickyRoy.paklover on April 22, 2012, 16:42 GMT

    Go "Paper Tigers" Go,so it means another whitewash z on d cards? Bt i request bd to not go there in SA AS U R Going to b grilld there so in ordr to preserve ur "SELF MADE N HOME MADE RESPECT" U MUST PLAY AT HME in front of ur over.excitd crowd in this way ur crowd wil be able to pampr u more.

  • Lord_Dravid on April 22, 2012, 16:27 GMT

    Give me a break..south africa is no match for bangladesh or zimbabwe..if i was the head of SA cricket i would rather rest my players for the important tours ahead than play Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.

  • on April 22, 2012, 15:58 GMT

    The Tri-series is a fantastic idea!! it will be more interesting if it takes place in SA!! BD have not played SA since WC.. so it will be a good experience even though i think most playrs r unavailable

  • on April 22, 2012, 15:35 GMT

    its not going to happen dont they know how many SA players are involved in IPL

  • Robster1 on April 22, 2012, 15:26 GMT

    Give the players a break for goodness sake. SA have a very full schedule already and more so have a long tour of England from July onwards which will decide who's the no 1 test nation. In addition a number of SA test players have now signed to play English county cricket in the build up to that series so they also could be unavailable.

  • Rezaul on April 22, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    I would say its a fantastic Idea to play against SA. However, it would be wonderful if the series is in Bangladesh. I dont think the heat will be that much a factor though some people talking about that. We have seen test cricket in India and Pakistan in more hot weather. I would say, if you want to help a rising team like Bangladesh then play them at their home in front of the packed stadium.

  • Benzim on April 22, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    Rly GREAT idea .just wating for the positive result.

  • johnathonjosephs on April 22, 2012, 15:00 GMT

    Sad for BCB because SA will most likely deny it due to their "busy schedule". Even if South Africa agree, it will only be a one off test or a 3 ODI match series .This is the exact problem Sri Lanka faced in their early stages

  • on April 22, 2012, 14:08 GMT

    Bangladesh Vs South Africa in South Africa. Best of luck to the PAPER TIGERS to get mauled by Dale Steyn and co.

  • on April 22, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    First of all, its a great idea for a Bangladesh-South Africa series especially if its held in Bangladesh with all the fans it generates. Yes it is hot during this time of year in Bangladesh but not so hot that it will literally affect the players. I've always been a critic of the FTP because its so messed up and like the article has mentioned, Bangladesh have no games till the World T20s in Sept which is simply not on especially for a nation which loves Cricket. My advice would be to just hold 3 T20 Internationals and 5 ODIs between the two countries for the moment and the Test Series can be held at a later date next year so that it will not be a heavy schedule for South Africa this year. Bangladesh in the mean time need to tour Europe some point this year in the summer and play a series against Ireland and possibly games against Scotland and the Netherlands so that they are getting at least some Cricket otherwise 2012 will be a hopeless year for them besides that Asia Cup they had.

  • DecisionPending_BD on April 22, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    I will say good move by BCB. Rsa and Zim will definitely come and play in Bangladesh. The t20 WC isn't far away. Besides SL pitches are quite like mirpur and chittagong pitches. So CSA, ZCU will be agreed.

  • Sarfin on April 22, 2012, 13:32 GMT

    Good news for Bangladesh cricket. Really waiting for positive updates. Love the words of Jacques Faul: "We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can." That shows a lots of commitment towards cricket. Hats of to SA

  • on April 22, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    gR8 INITIATIVE BY BCB ...REGARDLESS OF THE VENUE THIS SHOULD BE A SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY TO BD BOYS. IRRESPECTIVE OF THE RESULTS BD WILL GAIN MASSIVE EXPOSURE TO INT. CRICKET. I AM VERY HOPEFUL OF THE IDEA. WELL DONE @ BCB PRESIDENT MR.KAMAL

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  • on April 22, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    gR8 INITIATIVE BY BCB ...REGARDLESS OF THE VENUE THIS SHOULD BE A SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY TO BD BOYS. IRRESPECTIVE OF THE RESULTS BD WILL GAIN MASSIVE EXPOSURE TO INT. CRICKET. I AM VERY HOPEFUL OF THE IDEA. WELL DONE @ BCB PRESIDENT MR.KAMAL

  • Sarfin on April 22, 2012, 13:32 GMT

    Good news for Bangladesh cricket. Really waiting for positive updates. Love the words of Jacques Faul: "We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can." That shows a lots of commitment towards cricket. Hats of to SA

  • DecisionPending_BD on April 22, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    I will say good move by BCB. Rsa and Zim will definitely come and play in Bangladesh. The t20 WC isn't far away. Besides SL pitches are quite like mirpur and chittagong pitches. So CSA, ZCU will be agreed.

  • on April 22, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    First of all, its a great idea for a Bangladesh-South Africa series especially if its held in Bangladesh with all the fans it generates. Yes it is hot during this time of year in Bangladesh but not so hot that it will literally affect the players. I've always been a critic of the FTP because its so messed up and like the article has mentioned, Bangladesh have no games till the World T20s in Sept which is simply not on especially for a nation which loves Cricket. My advice would be to just hold 3 T20 Internationals and 5 ODIs between the two countries for the moment and the Test Series can be held at a later date next year so that it will not be a heavy schedule for South Africa this year. Bangladesh in the mean time need to tour Europe some point this year in the summer and play a series against Ireland and possibly games against Scotland and the Netherlands so that they are getting at least some Cricket otherwise 2012 will be a hopeless year for them besides that Asia Cup they had.

  • on April 22, 2012, 14:08 GMT

    Bangladesh Vs South Africa in South Africa. Best of luck to the PAPER TIGERS to get mauled by Dale Steyn and co.

  • johnathonjosephs on April 22, 2012, 15:00 GMT

    Sad for BCB because SA will most likely deny it due to their "busy schedule". Even if South Africa agree, it will only be a one off test or a 3 ODI match series .This is the exact problem Sri Lanka faced in their early stages

  • Benzim on April 22, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    Rly GREAT idea .just wating for the positive result.

  • Rezaul on April 22, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    I would say its a fantastic Idea to play against SA. However, it would be wonderful if the series is in Bangladesh. I dont think the heat will be that much a factor though some people talking about that. We have seen test cricket in India and Pakistan in more hot weather. I would say, if you want to help a rising team like Bangladesh then play them at their home in front of the packed stadium.

  • Robster1 on April 22, 2012, 15:26 GMT

    Give the players a break for goodness sake. SA have a very full schedule already and more so have a long tour of England from July onwards which will decide who's the no 1 test nation. In addition a number of SA test players have now signed to play English county cricket in the build up to that series so they also could be unavailable.

  • on April 22, 2012, 15:35 GMT

    its not going to happen dont they know how many SA players are involved in IPL