South Africa news April 23, 2012

SACA unlikely to agree to Bangladesh series

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The South African Cricketers' Association (SACA) has said it is "unlikely" they will agree to Bangladesh's proposal to play three ODIs and five Twenty20s in May. SACA will meet with Cricket South Africa on Tuesday to discuss the Bangladesh Cricket Board's offer but association chief executive Tony Irish told ESPNcricinfo it is doubtful they will rubber-stamp the fixtures.

Should they withhold permission, the tour cannot take place, as Irish explained. "Because this will fall outside the Future Tours Programme, it needs the permission of SACA to take place," Irish said. "And what I can say at the moment is that it is unlikely we will go through with it."

Irish said the main reason for SACA's hesitancy is the packed schedule facing the national team. Most South Africa players are currently involved in the IPL or in county cricket, with the notable exceptions being Graeme Smith, who is recovering from ankle injury and Lonwabo Tsotsobe and Mark Boucher, who did not secure IPL deals.

Bangladesh's proposal to play the matches in May will leave South Africa without some of their players who are occupied in either India or England and could result in avoidable fatigue in a busy year. South Africa will play Zimbabwe in five practice Twenty20 matches in June, will then travel to England for over two months from July from where they will head to the World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka. They also visit Australia in October-November and host New Zealand in December.

Jacques Faul, CSA acting chief executive, said timing would be the biggest consideration when the relevant stakeholders meet to make a decision. "We always want to play cricket and foster cricket but we've got to be careful with how much preparation and how much rest we give our team," Faul said. "It is quite important how we pace the team."

Irish's comments indicated that it was in the best interest of the players not to include an extra tour, as it may result in overload. "With the way the international season is scheduled, it is quite difficult to fit other matches in, unless they are on special request from the team," Irish said. The five matches in Zimbabwe are an example of this, with the fixtures taking place after national coach Gary Kirsten asked for more T20s before the World Twenty20.

Zimbabwe have made special arrangements to accommodate South Africa's request for the practice matches. They moved the dates for maintenance work on the pitches in Harare and Bulawayo from June to July, which also resulted in them having to postpone their scheduled tour against Bangladesh to later in the year.

This has left Bangladesh with no international cricket before the World Twenty20 and motivated them to seek fixtures from South Africa. Bangladesh have also mooted the idea of a tri-series between themselves, South Africa and Zimbabwe although that also appears unlikely to happen.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • BanglafanX on April 24, 2012, 16:10 GMT

    Pakistan is not yet ready for international cricket, let the security plan come back from the ICC. Pak fans your negetive comments about Bangladesh will not change the fact on the ground.

  • on April 24, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    @ Banglalink...your's was the best comment and best solution! Suggest it to CASA. I'm sure all cricket lovers will enjoy a tournament as you suggested, and I would not think SA will take Bangladesh lightly. They are a good team who play with passion, and that is always a pleasure to watch! Hope Bangladesh get the practice they feel they need.

  • on April 24, 2012, 14:52 GMT

    Well firstly i need to mention that by beating Srilanka and India in Asia cup and giving tough time to Pakistan doesn't make Bangladesh world beaters they are long way back i make a bet in any next series with any team you name it Bangladesh will be same old team link 78 for 8 and ending up 108 in total and even if they give competition it will not be more than 200 so please first see what you are doing getting in to Asia cup final and BPL doesn't make you champions its a long way story which other teams are doing for so long i am just waiting for another series with any team and we all will see your performance.

    And other than that Southafrica not playing with you its not a surprise this is what they should do if there year is pack with schedule then in this tight schedule they should play with some competitive team before World cup T20 it would be good practice as we want to SouthAfrica in semifinals or finals other than Bangladesh to see some good cricket and competition.

  • Third_Gear on April 24, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    WickyRoy.paklover @ My prayer is FIXED to these lines" I wish it would be a scandal free tournament for all pak lovers" U must get to understand why I am praying so passionately, mate !

  • samincolumbia on April 24, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    Folks commnenting on sending a SA 'B' team...well, that's not going to happen!! They are busy playing for England!! I bet a 'C' team will be just as hot to handle for Bangladesh as South Africa's 'A' or 'B' teams!!

  • haseeb.ahmed on April 24, 2012, 9:57 GMT

    "tit for tat" i think the saying has proved right.

  • WickyRoy.paklover on April 24, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    @NajeebHuda.thanks 4 showng ur concern,inshallah vry soon bt ur bd team z not going to play against top rankd sides like pak and othr sides in d near futur,dn,t wry ur team wil b first one to go out of t20 wc(among ten test teams)

  • on April 24, 2012, 8:13 GMT

    MAY is not the time to play circket in BD..too hot and rainy here..so unpredictable weather..also same goes to S. Afr..cold n Rainy Winter so gud decision in the end..and @ anandadhara: ur right..Tigers is da best in ODI now..but dnt assume on 4 games of Asia cup..dnt forget wat happened in 2011 bro so slowly..hav sum patience and sum cricketing sense okay..dnt judge everything emotionally..BD shud play Ireland and afghanistan for T20 WC practice..

  • on April 24, 2012, 7:31 GMT

    Pak fans: Instead of welcoming news like this, you should think when, if ever, international teams will visit Pakistan.

  • maddy20 on April 23, 2012, 18:55 GMT

    @Johan Venter Funny that you are comparing working from your office cubicle to playing professional cricket in scorching heat, millions of fans watching and immense pressure! Very poor comparison amigo, very poor indeed!

  • BanglafanX on April 24, 2012, 16:10 GMT

    Pakistan is not yet ready for international cricket, let the security plan come back from the ICC. Pak fans your negetive comments about Bangladesh will not change the fact on the ground.

  • on April 24, 2012, 15:15 GMT

    @ Banglalink...your's was the best comment and best solution! Suggest it to CASA. I'm sure all cricket lovers will enjoy a tournament as you suggested, and I would not think SA will take Bangladesh lightly. They are a good team who play with passion, and that is always a pleasure to watch! Hope Bangladesh get the practice they feel they need.

  • on April 24, 2012, 14:52 GMT

    Well firstly i need to mention that by beating Srilanka and India in Asia cup and giving tough time to Pakistan doesn't make Bangladesh world beaters they are long way back i make a bet in any next series with any team you name it Bangladesh will be same old team link 78 for 8 and ending up 108 in total and even if they give competition it will not be more than 200 so please first see what you are doing getting in to Asia cup final and BPL doesn't make you champions its a long way story which other teams are doing for so long i am just waiting for another series with any team and we all will see your performance.

    And other than that Southafrica not playing with you its not a surprise this is what they should do if there year is pack with schedule then in this tight schedule they should play with some competitive team before World cup T20 it would be good practice as we want to SouthAfrica in semifinals or finals other than Bangladesh to see some good cricket and competition.

  • Third_Gear on April 24, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    WickyRoy.paklover @ My prayer is FIXED to these lines" I wish it would be a scandal free tournament for all pak lovers" U must get to understand why I am praying so passionately, mate !

  • samincolumbia on April 24, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    Folks commnenting on sending a SA 'B' team...well, that's not going to happen!! They are busy playing for England!! I bet a 'C' team will be just as hot to handle for Bangladesh as South Africa's 'A' or 'B' teams!!

  • haseeb.ahmed on April 24, 2012, 9:57 GMT

    "tit for tat" i think the saying has proved right.

  • WickyRoy.paklover on April 24, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    @NajeebHuda.thanks 4 showng ur concern,inshallah vry soon bt ur bd team z not going to play against top rankd sides like pak and othr sides in d near futur,dn,t wry ur team wil b first one to go out of t20 wc(among ten test teams)

  • on April 24, 2012, 8:13 GMT

    MAY is not the time to play circket in BD..too hot and rainy here..so unpredictable weather..also same goes to S. Afr..cold n Rainy Winter so gud decision in the end..and @ anandadhara: ur right..Tigers is da best in ODI now..but dnt assume on 4 games of Asia cup..dnt forget wat happened in 2011 bro so slowly..hav sum patience and sum cricketing sense okay..dnt judge everything emotionally..BD shud play Ireland and afghanistan for T20 WC practice..

  • on April 24, 2012, 7:31 GMT

    Pak fans: Instead of welcoming news like this, you should think when, if ever, international teams will visit Pakistan.

  • maddy20 on April 23, 2012, 18:55 GMT

    @Johan Venter Funny that you are comparing working from your office cubicle to playing professional cricket in scorching heat, millions of fans watching and immense pressure! Very poor comparison amigo, very poor indeed!

  • arsalanam on April 23, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Good move by SACA..Too much cricket for SA team and risk of injury for a series which will be non competitive and one sided.

  • on April 23, 2012, 18:12 GMT

    Bangladesh is currently playing well in their home ground and I believe they should play more away from home to get used to those conditions. If the major teams don't want to play, Bangladesh can definitely play against Ireland at home. Ireland is a good team and the series will provide Bangladesh (and Ireland) a good match practice. Considering the pitches in SriLanka would be similar to those in Bangladesh, calling Afghanistan for a home series is not a bad option either. Afghanistan and Ireland lack match practice and they will be more than happy to play a series with a better ranked team. The series can have 3 ODIs and 5 T20s each.

  • on April 23, 2012, 17:42 GMT

    @ BowledYa and Mian Irfan: good one mate

  • on April 23, 2012, 17:39 GMT

    @ Sidd_Cric: whatever it was, The point was SA agreed to play 1off T20... and nowhere did I mention IPL...anyways, besides the classy Shakib, who else is playing in IPL ?

  • on April 23, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    @Ahmed Hussain: BEAT PAKISTAN IN PAKISTAN

  • Shahzad31 on April 23, 2012, 16:31 GMT

    Great decision by SACA like a great decision By BD player association earlier about pak tour..i am very happy about this decision..anyway would have been a boring tour even SA B team thrashing BD kIDS all over the place...player are human they are not machines they need rest..

  • BowledYa on April 23, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    @ Ahmad Hussain. Hardly have any cricket in 2012? Not according to news coming from Bangladesh. They have too full of a schedule in 2012 to play in Pakistan. Truth or just excuses that belie the facts?

  • BowledYa on April 23, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    What goes around comes around ... don't want to play in Pakistan, and no one to play elsewhere. Oh well, so much for T20 practice.

  • on April 23, 2012, 15:49 GMT

    its better to play with zimbabwe. Good decision made by SA. Who likes to get bangla wash !!!

  • on April 23, 2012, 15:24 GMT

    Well didnt Pakistan offered them to play. Where was the value of cricket and deprivation of cricket when Bangladesh denied that tour. I bet Bangladesh would have toured Pakistan if Pakistan lost the Aisa cup final.

  • Gordo85 on April 23, 2012, 15:02 GMT

    I like that idea Fazle. That sounds like a good idea indeed and everyone would be happy.

  • on April 23, 2012, 14:54 GMT

    wow great offer for South Africa to play in Bangladesh will pay all the expenditure from Bangladesh Cricket Board. Great effort from Bangladesh Cricket Board, I think if South Africa can tour to Bangladesh to play the tournament they will be beneficiary, but Bangladesh Cricket Board still immature because their inability.

  • Sidd_Cric on April 23, 2012, 14:24 GMT

    I am a Bangladeshi and SA is doing the right thing by resting their player since they have so much to do. As much as I want to see Tigers performing, you have to understand SA point of view too as their players will be too tired. Even Shakib said he needs rest. Besides @ KHAN, that 1 t20 match was arranged to give Makhya Ntini his retirement gift and it was before IPL.

  • on April 23, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    I am so sick of professional sportsmen whinging about packed schedules. As a self-employed person I work 70 - 90 hours a week and I only take about 2 weeks of holiday a year. I'm happy that I am able to support myself and my family and I don't go whinging that I need a break! Many cricketeres use time off to play cricket in other countries at any rate, so what is the issue here?

  • PhaniBhaskar24 on April 23, 2012, 14:11 GMT

    Hey, may be after Bangla being a finalist in Asia Cup, may be they feel they only have SA to prove their worths. SA has other thoughts. Good thing. Bangla, though i appreciate being a finalist in Asia Cup, first be consistent with your performance. May be try out NZ. NZ may not play top rated cricked, but defenitely not second grade. I agree you are moving up a notch, but don't be overconfident now. Cricket is all about Consistency. Take a example of Ashraful from your team itself

  • FaysalKabir on April 23, 2012, 14:06 GMT

    I think the best solution would be to shift the Zim vs SA T20s to Bangladesh and make it a tri series with two round robin leagues. This way BD gets the matches they wish while Zim & SA play matches they have already commited to. It has already been said that Zim are having trouble finding broadcastors for the 5 T20s and also its forcing them to delay the relaying of the pitches in Harare & Bulawayo as a result forcing them to postpone the series vs Bangladesh in august. If the matches are played in Dhaka then Zim get the pitches relayed in June, SA play vs Zim which they have already commited to and BD gets the matches they requested. If anyone has a better solution then I am all ears.

  • on April 23, 2012, 13:55 GMT

    This is very bad I mean Bangladesh hardly have any Cricket in 2012 and I don't understand why Zimbabwe who also need Cricket decided to cancel an important series between the two. The ICC has to do something otherwise Cricket will just lost interest because nobody wants to see the top 8 teams competing each other over and over again, it gets very boring. All Bangladesh asked was for 3 ODIs and 5 T20s and they said they'll be willing to pay for it with no Test Matches so I don't understand why South Africa do not want to tour I mean its only a short tour which would last just over 2 weeks and would be an ideal preparation for the T20 Championship. Bangladesh deserve to play against the biggest teams on a regular bases after what they have done over the past couple of years. Since 2010, they have already beaten England, West Indies, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, India etc and I don't understand what else they have to do in order to get your satisfaction.

  • on April 23, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    Although I would love to see this happening, fatigue plays a crucial role in players' mental strength and physical abilities, and given SA's insane tour schedule, you can understand SACA's predicament.

    I wish Bangladesh the best in securing international competition leading up to the T20I WC. They have surely proven themselves in the Asia cup with fantastic wins over Sri Lanka and India, and even in their losses against Pakistan)

  • on April 23, 2012, 13:03 GMT

    Surely Bangladesh could organise some matches against ireland or something

  • on April 23, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    Wow.. I am Thrilled as Bangladesh have been thumped and shown their VALUE to international Cricket, well done South Africa, whatever ur reasons are, but a good one, as for Bangla Fans, South Africa agreed to play 1 t20 with INDIA inspite of being tired while they were involved with high density series against NZ shows what they consider u guys....hahahahaha... M very Happy

  • asimiqbal on April 23, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    Its a good decision by the players' association because this proposed tour will be a waste of time and energy as well. Bangalis are like children to South africans and they should play Zimbabwe and Ireland like teams only.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    This is the main problem with Bangladesh team. When they seem playing better somehow managed 2 much GAP between 2 series. If icc realy want them to improve the quality of bangladesh'c cricket they need to sort this issue quickly. Otherwise they cant do good thing for world cricket.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    What you do with others, it actually come back to you one day

  • cairo on April 23, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    The Cruel True is, no body has time to help us. But we are pushed to help Pakistani cricket, its looks Good. GOD says, helping hand always better. I am so happy to see South Africa's approach about Zimbabwe, they said ''"We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can." Wish Indian board ever realize same feelings.

  • mihir_nam on April 23, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    Bangladesh . Please host Triangular with Zimbabwe and Ireland/Afghanistan(Both Qualified for T20WC). Bangladesh has clear chance of winning their 2nd Multinational Tournament after becoming full Member. Rather than South africa 2nd strength coming there and still thrashing in all the matches..Most of their players are sold to IPL..

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:20 GMT

    The SA tour to Zimbabwe is the solution ! Make it a triangular T20 tourney, with each team playing the other teams twice, and one final. That way, South Africa will still be playing a maximum of 5 matches. Please, accept my proposal.

  • OzHorse on April 23, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    Tri-series is the best idea. SA should take the opportunity to play against the very good spinners of Bangladesh and also play some tougher opponents than just Zim.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    its ok we can understand their problem!! BD shud play series with Afghanistan n ireland as they r also part of world t20 in srilanka.. they r surely available!! n its better to play some matches (although the teams r lower ranked in odi than BD) rather than playing nothing!!!

  • on April 23, 2012, 11:55 GMT

    I wish SA wins. I<3 SA. They rock

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  • on April 23, 2012, 11:55 GMT

    I wish SA wins. I<3 SA. They rock

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    its ok we can understand their problem!! BD shud play series with Afghanistan n ireland as they r also part of world t20 in srilanka.. they r surely available!! n its better to play some matches (although the teams r lower ranked in odi than BD) rather than playing nothing!!!

  • OzHorse on April 23, 2012, 12:19 GMT

    Tri-series is the best idea. SA should take the opportunity to play against the very good spinners of Bangladesh and also play some tougher opponents than just Zim.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:20 GMT

    The SA tour to Zimbabwe is the solution ! Make it a triangular T20 tourney, with each team playing the other teams twice, and one final. That way, South Africa will still be playing a maximum of 5 matches. Please, accept my proposal.

  • mihir_nam on April 23, 2012, 12:34 GMT

    Bangladesh . Please host Triangular with Zimbabwe and Ireland/Afghanistan(Both Qualified for T20WC). Bangladesh has clear chance of winning their 2nd Multinational Tournament after becoming full Member. Rather than South africa 2nd strength coming there and still thrashing in all the matches..Most of their players are sold to IPL..

  • cairo on April 23, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    The Cruel True is, no body has time to help us. But we are pushed to help Pakistani cricket, its looks Good. GOD says, helping hand always better. I am so happy to see South Africa's approach about Zimbabwe, they said ''"We always try to help Zimbabwe, we have an obligation to them because we are closest to them and we try to look after them where we can." Wish Indian board ever realize same feelings.

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    What you do with others, it actually come back to you one day

  • on April 23, 2012, 12:52 GMT

    This is the main problem with Bangladesh team. When they seem playing better somehow managed 2 much GAP between 2 series. If icc realy want them to improve the quality of bangladesh'c cricket they need to sort this issue quickly. Otherwise they cant do good thing for world cricket.

  • asimiqbal on April 23, 2012, 12:55 GMT

    Its a good decision by the players' association because this proposed tour will be a waste of time and energy as well. Bangalis are like children to South africans and they should play Zimbabwe and Ireland like teams only.

  • on April 23, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    Wow.. I am Thrilled as Bangladesh have been thumped and shown their VALUE to international Cricket, well done South Africa, whatever ur reasons are, but a good one, as for Bangla Fans, South Africa agreed to play 1 t20 with INDIA inspite of being tired while they were involved with high density series against NZ shows what they consider u guys....hahahahaha... M very Happy