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CSA underestimated cost of BCCI warning

Firdose Moonda

September 22, 2013

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Haroon Lorgat speaks at a press conference in Colombo, August 29, 2012
How much will Haroon Lorgat's appointment cost South African cricket? © Getty Images

While uncertainty hangs over India's tour to South Africa later this year, it has emerged that Cricket South Africa (CSA) might have underestimated the risk of appointing Haroon Lorgat as its chief executive despite BCCI's strong reservations against him.

While the BCCI's antipathy towards Lorgat is well known in cricket circles, Jacques Faul, the former acting CSA chief, revealed to ESPNcricinfo that N Srinivasan, the BCCI president, had categorically warned that the tour might be at risk and CSA would stand to lose financially if they went ahead with Lorgat's appointment. Faul, who is now in charge of the Titans franchise, told ESPNcricinfo that Srinivasan had communicated as much to Willie Basson, CSA's acting president at the time.

The conversation, according to Faul, took place during a Champions League T20 meeting in Malaysia in December 2012. Faul then approached Srinivasan himself and suggested that the BCCI could not tell CSA who to appoint as chief executive, but he was told that the BCCI wasn't telling them who to appoint, but who not to appoint.

However, over the subsequent months, CSA assumed that the financial fallout of ignoring that warning would be "minimal". During this period Lorgat had secured an endorsement letter from IS Bindra, the former BCCI president and known critic of the current setup. It is unclear whether CSA assumed that a change of guard in India was imminent, but conversations between this reporter and several of the CSA officials involved in the discussions revealed that the board went ahead with the appointment after being satisfied with Lorgat's version of events.

Lorgat, a former ICC chief executive, had been CSA's preferred candidate from the outset but it did not appoint him until it discussed the implication of the decision - which the BCCI indicated it would strongly object to - for cricket in the country.

The BCCI's specific opposition to Lorgat has not been made public but Basson confirmed he heard that the board wanted charges of misconduct investigated against Lorgat during his time at the ICC (it is on record that Srinivasan raised this particular issue during an ICC board meeting). Basson had approached Lorgat about the issue and was satisfied with the response he got.

"It did come up at the ICC board meetings I went to and there were rumours, but it was not discussed because he was leaving the ICC," Basson said. "I had discussions with him about the underlying issues. He denied that he had done anything wrong. He said whatever he had done as ICC chief executive was within accepted business practices and had the approval of the ICC president. I was comfortable with what I took away from my discussion with him."

Lorgat applied for the CSA job after the board was restructured on February 2, confirming he had submitted his CV the next day. In March, a CSA delegation headed by its lead director Norman Arendse visited India where, again, the BCCI's concerns about Lorgat were made known.

The following month, CSA's recruitment agency asked Faul, who had already left the organisation to take up the job of Titans chief executive, to apply for the position. He declined. CSA said they had not compiled a shortlist at that time and in May issued a release saying the search for a chief executive was "running on schedule," even though it was already a month late.

The delay was never explained but at a CSA board meeting held during that period, one member asked what the financial ramifications of appointing Lorgat would be. Another director on the board answered, "minimal".

It has since emerged that CSA made a potentially colossal error of judgment. The board stands to lose up to R200 million if the tour is shortened, a likely development with the BCCI shrinking the available window. If it is cancelled, the losses CSA will incur could impact the game in South Africa for years to come.

CSA have refused to comment until after the BCCI's annual general meeting on September 29, when it will be known whether Srinivasan is elected for another term as president. CSA has continued to function as usual, holding off-season conferences, ranging from a coaches seminar to a transformation indaba.

One administrator told ESPNcricinfo that these activities have a feel of normalcy to them until the formal discussions are adjourned. Then, in the corridors, there is deep concern among officials who fear India may not visit South Africa at all and the game will be financially crippled. "We are s**t scared," the official said. "All of us."

A solution to curb the BCCI's power is difficult to find so all CSA can do for now is placate their former ally, but how to do that is unclear. It may mean a premature end to Lorgat's tenure or, as some administrators have mentioned, a legal claim on the BCCI. However, because the FTP is not binding, CSA may have to consider turning to an authority such as the Court of Arbitration for Sport, although the ICC is not a signatory to it. So for now, CSA can only ponder the cost of Lorgat's appointment.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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Posted by Marktc on (September 27, 2013, 9:18 GMT)

Just as the BCCI is independent, so is CSA. Is it right that the BCCI wield so much power, that basically amounts to blackmail. They are punishing an independent board for appointing somebody they do not like. They are in fact, costing South Africans millions of dollars in Cricket investment. CSA is not the one who will feel it, but the public and infrastructure. CSA wil carry on earning it's inflated salaries. BCCI should work through the mother body with complaints. IT has to right to interfere or choose another boards members just because it is all powerful. IT is selfishly not hurting CSA but the game of cricket and the games loyal supporters...all for pride and inflated egos.

Posted by   on (September 26, 2013, 10:47 GMT)

South Africa and India have great diplomatic and trade ties and I think this matter has now turned into a political situation which I think should then be resolved as such. The inteferance of politicians in sports has been condemmed in the past and I have also been very vocal about that. But we as South Africans cannot be deprived of such a tour and a chance to see the world's best in our shores just because of a clash of egos. I propose that a diplomatic solution be sought in this matter. Its not about Mr. Lorgat and Mr. Srinivasan anymore, its about millions of cricket lovers who might miss the opportunity to watch the two great giants clash. Both gentlemen must not use this platform to settle their scores. Let the masses enjoy the tour. Viva Indian tour Viva.

Posted by Triple_A on (September 23, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

There is a lot of division among the readers here. It is unfortunate that this much-anticipated clash will be cut short now, but I do not think BCCI is at much fault here. CSA have not taken the most idealistic steps for themselves by appointing Lorgat, nor by coming out with a ridiculously long tour schedule without any prior consultation. The BCCI were probably already going to organise Sachin's 200th test in India and then send the team across for the tests and minimal number of ODIs. But this unnecessary aggravation has caused BCCI to hit back.

Finally, no country can or will break bonds with India, because of the financial gains they (AND THE PLAYERS) receive from each and every match played here. And if they try, we will literally see bankrupt boards and free agents (like Chris Gayle did a couple of years ago), ready to play in the IPL and a "Packer" series. Readers must understand that the cricketers want to secure their future as well and money is of prime importance to many.

Posted by AsherCA on (September 23, 2013, 15:52 GMT)

Quoting from this article itself -"Basson confirmed he heard that the board wanted charges of misconduct investigated against Lorgat during his time at the ICC (it is on record that Srinivasan raised this particular issue during an ICC board meeting)" There is no update on whether these "charges of misconduct" were ever investigated. CSA have chosen to appoint a man who has been accused of misconduct & has done nothing to address the charges...he has agreed to apologise too (leaving us think the charges might be true). If the charges against him were incorrect, why did Lorgat not ask ICC for an investigation & have them cleared ? Hiring Lorgat without getting the charges cleared, CSA is telling BCCI to get lost. BCCI have obliged. CSA & their backers have a problem with that ? Didn't you know that you can't have your cake & eat it too ?

Posted by chotteguru on (September 23, 2013, 15:20 GMT)

The CSA did not make an error or judgement. They were brave enough to bring this issue to the fore and in so doing, I hope BCCI's member associations have the sense to elect a new executive. After all, if all this above is beyond doubt, the current Board have brought shame to the administration of cricket in India.

Posted by malepas on (September 23, 2013, 14:09 GMT)

Moonda asking the wrong question here, it should be the BCCI and not CSA who should be questioned here, what kind of blow the belt tactics are these? cancelling the ftp series just weeks before where the host nation has sold rights to hosting the matches only to learn right at the last minute that touring board had "Issues" with the appointment of a CE of the host's board??,,,what is this to do with the tour?? very cheap tactics, its not interfering, its down right black mailing and BCCI should be hold accountable to its responsibilities towards FTP by ICC. To all those Indian Fans who are siding with BCCI, bragging about the wealth and power of money and all that""needs to be reminded that we tax payers in UK pays lot of charity to India, may be BCCI could give away some money so India don't have to take charities from other countries.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 23, 2013, 12:08 GMT)

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 23, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

to Answer your question, No cricket board is allowed to Interfere on the matters of other cricket board.

but my Question to you is DID BCCI INTERFER?

Intereference would have been, when BCCI would have used it Financial might to stop the election.

please read CSA official came to India to meet BCCI & said hello Mr. BCCI, we are appointing MR. A as our COO.

BCCI - look Mr. CSA,we had very friendly relationship in Past, but we had a very bad experience with MR. A in past & we would not like to work with him Again.

I do not see any interference over here, BCCI just responded to Questions put to them?

Why did CSA came to BCCI & not any other boards? Why did Mr. Logart obtaind NOC from Mr. Bindra (& btw just who is he ?) Why did CSA accepted letter from Mr. Nobody? Why did CSA annoucned tour schedule without consent of BCCI?


Posted by Arrow011 on (September 23, 2013, 12:02 GMT)

BCCI rules as usual, pcb, slcb, sacb are all under BCCI. The boss dicatates :)

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (September 23, 2013, 11:24 GMT)

I still remember monopoly of ECB and ACB where Asian teams considered as dummys.Everyone were depending on Eng/Aus. They isolated SA, refused to play ZIM and SL. But India played at ZIM and SL (remember the WC matches) and invite SA for a tour right after its 2nd entry. Now boards are depending on BCCI to pay their debits. But unfortunately, some people considered themselves as boss and they tried to give orders. that make things worse.

Posted by shillingsworth on (September 23, 2013, 11:11 GMT)

@Fan1969 - Actually Angela Merkel doesn't 'get her way' in Europe, or even in Germany for that matter. She is successful because she seeks consensus and avoids dogma. Something here for cricket administrators to learn. Your viewpoint is simplistic and certainly naive too.

Posted by fguy on (September 23, 2013, 11:07 GMT)

i would love to see, as a lot of readers have suggested, the other boards isolate BCCI or bar their players from playing IPL. it'd be fun to see how many of those nations' players renew their central contracts whenever they come up for renewal. my guess - less than a handful

Posted by fguy on (September 23, 2013, 10:57 GMT)

but why are CSA scared? they have a newly appointed CEO who must be nothing short of a magician (he must be since appointing him was worth annoying an old friend) & will make up those losses (which are notional btw) in no time. 20 million USD..pfft..wave a wand & Lorgat will double it

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 23, 2013, 10:33 GMT)

@Pandeyjii, I didnt approve of the TCCB/ACB stance at the time, and the ICC was created to make world cricket it more democratic, unfortunately India belives that money and bling are more important that the game, and this is the problem that the 'bcci bashers' as you call them have.

Mostly because we have seen what money does in sport when it is the ultimate goal with things like AFL, English Premier League, and its not just in England or Aus where 'big' money has had a bad impact on the game, look at the effect the putting money over sport has caused in the NFL, NBA and MLB where there are constant doping, fixing and other scandels coming to light.

That said no matter how much sway a board has in regards to money, should they interfere with another boards processes. This is just the BCCI trying to get its way with threats and intimidation, notice they dont try it with the ECB or CA.

Posted by Fan1969 on (September 23, 2013, 10:23 GMT)

Politics is part of every household, forget wishing it away in sports administration. I find the readers response is naive at best. Every powerful body / person including USA at NATO/UN get what they want because they are powerful. Angela Merkel gets her way in Europe and so on.

It is foolish of CSA to take BCCI lightly and then hope that admin will change after the IPL blow out and so CSA will be a gainer. Naive and shortsighted at best.

Strongly advise cricket lovers to come to accept BCCI power and the dictat that will follow. CSA can gain by hosting IPL 7 during Indian elections, but my guess Lorgat will still have to apologize / go.

Even I want India/SA to play an engrossing Test Series but looks unlikely. Will I or most of you stop watching cricket because BCCI cancelled SA tour. NO.

So why crib? Accept reality and enjoy whatever cricket spectacle on display - Champions League, India beating Aus in ODIs at home, WI losing 2-0 to India in Tests on spinning tracks

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

This is outrageous BCCI are already controlling the world game not satisfied with that they interfere who can be appointed CSA chief. Just because ECB/CA controlled world cricket for decades doesn't mean it is ok for BCCI to control world cricket now.

Posted by Pandeyjii on (September 23, 2013, 9:26 GMT)

Now is the era . . . when US controls the Whole World . . . and BCCI/India controls the Cricket World. . . FEELING GREAT. . . and feeling pity on the BCCI/India bashers, where were these critics when Aussies and British controlled the game a few years (umm . . . decade) back.

Posted by FlashAsh on (September 23, 2013, 9:25 GMT)

BCCI need to be very careful here, push too far all the cards may fall!

All boards need cash, but BCCI may well soon be breaking their own Media contracts if they refuse to tour afterall, India ia a big market but there are many more out there that pay a higher margin. Also, just as ECB & CA discovered, eventually other alliances are formed and empires dragged down.

People seem to forget when it was the ECB & CA running things there was never the amount of cash around it was more of a "Gentlemans Club", introduce the cash and turnarounds can be quick, ruthless and cut-throat, surely the nation that spawned the Thuggees should remember that?

Hope WI give IND a thrashing!!

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 9:02 GMT)

This wrangling is ridiculous. CSA was in a mess, we needed someone with experience to lead them out of the mire. The choice was Lorgat, so let's leave it at that and get on with the important thing which is two fabulous teams playing the game that we all love. Stop the politics, we don't need it.

Posted by arajit on (September 23, 2013, 8:54 GMT)

people are getting confused here. BCCI have every right if there have reservations to deal with any particular Executive of CSA. I am saying this particularly regarding Executive not Elected Representative. As Executives are selected candidates by Elected Representatives. Its like one cant change owner of the Company (Elected Representatives) as they are elected by its members but while choosing executives of the company u have choices. BCCI respects elected Representatives but they have every right to object any executive.

CSA is wrong in Choosing Lorgat as its CEO or COO because the Candidate is choose based on his repo with the Broads CSA has to deal with. And this is the most crucial Criteria in selecting the candidate for CEO or COO. Ao its not like BCCI has no Right to Object. Success of any Board Depends on its executives how best Business they do with there Partners so I feel CSA is wrong in choosing such candidate for CEO or COO

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 23, 2013, 8:30 GMT)

Posted by ChrisMarx on (September 23, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

on Loyalty, what is loyalty ? when BCCI was the first team to host CSA, to tour them were instrumental in bringing CSA back in international cricket, most anticipated T20 tournament (IPL) held there (which obs. helped BCCI , but also made fortunes for fanchises in SA), partenership in CLTT20,

& then when you make one request to them (no matter how absurd, & it was absurd one) & you do not listen to them.

IS this called Loyalty ?

Cricinfo please publish

Posted by kartcric on (September 23, 2013, 8:24 GMT)

The stand against CSA should continue.For me,whatever Lorgat has done doesn't seem to be right.The stand against Lorgat is justified.But, let the series go on.This is a series between two quality sides.There has been a lot of hype surrounding this series for all the good reasons.So,from cricket point of view the series should be played.

Posted by 9ST9 on (September 23, 2013, 8:22 GMT)

Why don't the cricket boards come to their senses and inquire from the BCCI who should be elected as the respective board chiefs? They could avoid friction by going a step further and first get approval from the BCCI before naming their captains and squads in the future as well as the grounds and pitches to be used during a series.

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 23, 2013, 8:18 GMT)

Posted by ChrisMarx on (September 23, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

Wheels has already turned, It was ECB & CA before , now it's BCCI.

Tomorrow it will be someone else :)

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 8:16 GMT)

As a South African, CSA had the right to appoint anyone they chose. In South Africa, Lorgat is a highly respected administrator and will be good for cricket development in SA. The BCCI maybe the cash rich cricket board in the world, but it does not give it the right to bully other boards nor the ICC itself. Srinivasen has demonstrated his corruptness in the game. Watch this space, his son in law was officially charged over the weekend. Surely this will have an impact on the voting of the BCCI president at the end of September - which will have an impact on the India tour to SA? If BCCI wants to play hard ball, then South Africa, England, Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan and others must plan their own FTP and marginalise BCCI until they come to their senses and keep the game of cricket as a priority. Am I too naïve?? (rhetorical question).

Posted by Sachin_The_Greatest on (September 23, 2013, 8:08 GMT)

Posted by landl47 on (September 23, 2013, 3:15 GMT) & everyone.

You missing the crux here, BCCI did not went to CSA stoping them from appointing some1, that would be called INTERFERING in someone elses' matter.

CSA came to BCCI, BCCI just responded to question posted by CSA, "CSA- Hey Mr. BCCI we are appointing MR. A as our cheif, what do you think ?

BCCI- Look MR. CSA we had a bad relationship with MR. A earlier, we would certainly not like to work with him again"

THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT INTERFERING in someone elses' matter.

Secondly, If CSA wants they can go ahead & cancel the tour why are they not doing it ?

OK i Agree that what BCCI is doing is not fair (I accept that) , but CSA wants to milk money from BCCI & does not want to listen to them how fair is that ?

Why did Mr. Logart obtained NOC from Bindra (who's nobody in BCCI) & why did CSA approved the same? do not smell anything there.

We are not supporting BCCI, but BCCI is not the only one to be blamed

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 8:03 GMT)

U get elected to these posts. they are political. Lorgat is no better than Srinivasan. Its just that Srinivasan's board has the bucks. When the Brits and the Aussies had the bucks, they kicked everyone around. Now its the BCCI. Lets not get into the colonial mindset that THEY are always right. They do pretty much the same thing...when they can!

Posted by ChrisMarx on (September 23, 2013, 8:01 GMT)

The BCCI are playing this out masterfully. Not only are they posturing to show who the top dog is, they are making sure they rake in top dollar come end of this year by hosting two sides who have no chance of competing with their national side and cashing in on the resultant success of the home team. The cherry on the cake for them must be that so many of the Indian fans are supporting them in this. Brilliant result. They get to be renumerated handsomely for standing on top of the heap with the adoring fans cheering them on from beneath. My word, it must feel good to be King...

Until you learn that your conquest came at a very dear cost and that when the wheel turns (which it slowly but surely does), the people you stepped on to make your way to the top is now the very same people you have to turn to in your hour of need. Money can buy you a few minutes loyalty, but resentment tends to span generations.

Posted by venkatesh018 on (September 23, 2013, 7:41 GMT)

It is time the International Cricket Boards like CSA stop prostrating at the feet of the BCCI . The only thing BCCI cares about is money, more money and even more money. It doesn't give a damn about the welfare of International cricket. All the other boards especially the major ones like Cricket Australia, ECB and CSA should unite and prepare a separate FTP for World cricket. I know it is easier said than done, but there is no other way to put this dictator in his place.

Posted by supacricfan on (September 23, 2013, 7:16 GMT)

well,u cant blame BCCI for everything..Haroon Lorgat deserves it,he is no gentleman and its a lesson learnt for CSA n lorgat,dont play with will burn you in turn!!come on BCCI,stand on your decision!!

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 7:11 GMT)

Every critics of BCCI/INDIA portraying itself as a true cricket lover, act like cricket administrator, preparing & campaigning for a consensus on opinions of all over world to isolate, to malign & to mud-sledge against BCCI/INDIA in best possible manner. Go ahead every critics!!!!!!! Show the entire world SA, AUS & ENG are only teams that own cricket and should play each other. ALL countries either should watch them playing with each other or wait them for a turn when these countries show mercy to play with them. This is lesson for every country how to dance on tune of NO.1 Test team. Every country should be student for the top team who will be obviously examiner. That is why many opinions suggesting here that INDIA is student scaring against examiner SA.

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 7:10 GMT)

The story scripted here are from SA officials spoken to espncricinfo but not from any one of BCCI. Obviously it is full version of the truth with CSA's point of views. Every one shouting here in favour of Haroon and against of BCCI. Commenting about fight between 2 parties fighting each other, one should take care & listen what other side has. Sadly we are seeing only one side of the episode on this forum since so many days.

Posted by Ramesh_Joseph on (September 23, 2013, 6:47 GMT)

I find the India bashers popping up each time BCCI is mentioned. OK the BCCI are no saints, but neither are the CSA. The bcci made it clear that they don't want to deal with Lorgat. That's not interfering. Just stating facts. Its the CSA which interferref by going to the rival faction in Bcci. Then CSA goes ahead & publishes its own itinerary without consulting bcci. Bcci has not even signed the ftp & anyway they have not cancelled the tour. Isn't the Bcci which controls cricket in India free to decide the Indian team"s tours to other countries, especially sine the ftp is only a guideline & bcci have not signed it?

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 6:05 GMT)

@ PhilCkt on (September 23, 2013, 3:22 GMT)

Loss equivalent to US$ 2 million is GROSS UNDERESTIMATION.

At best it may be the residual profit which may accrue to CSA's Accounts after paying everything, including players' fees, officials' fees , Franchises' fees and reimbursement of expenses et al. 2MM US $, at best, is the NET loss. What is the GROSS LOSS of revenue? All the Boards have good Accountants. Can CSA's Accountant reveal the true figures to its public? The figure for which Lorgat's intransigence can be attributed.(The inaction from July 1st week).

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 6:00 GMT)

Its non of the business of BCCI that to whom CSA select or elect the new Chief. What if all the board especially Australia, England, NewZealand and South Africa appoints those person to which BCCI doesn't like. Will they don't play cricket at all to those countries. What BCCI forget is they are not ICC, they may be rich but still a board, just a board. If tomorrow if Any of the above country says that BCCI should do this or that or should not do this or that then they will reject to play with India then what BCCI would do? If so they keep playing with Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Kenya and some more associate.

Posted by maddy20 on (September 23, 2013, 5:57 GMT)

@ PhilCkt You must work on yopur math amigo. 200 mil rand = $22 mil not $2 mil. The prime cause of the rift is DRS which lorgat made mandatory when it was lot worse than it presently is not to mention, him denying to produce docs required by the govt to grant exemption to ICC during WC 2011. What you sow is what you reap!

Posted by vildoc on (September 23, 2013, 5:14 GMT)

Whatever the faults of the BCCI I am surprised how the sins of others are not even spoken of. Lorgat had no business meddling in the inside affairs of the BCCI. Why did he meet ISBindra on the sidelines and took a letter of recommendation from him to show to the CSA board. That the Bindra faction lost out and Lorgat's calculation failed was the last nail in the coffin. Do you think the powers be at the Bcci would forgive?

Posted by RSairam on (September 23, 2013, 4:55 GMT)

For a change let me not talk much about BCCI - they made a stand (good or bad) that they dont want to work with Lorgat and they stuck to it.. To CSA - you took one half of the stand to appoint Lorgat and now either stick to it or back off..Waiting for BCCI is only damaging your own reputation. Why dont you consider the tour called off or tell what you think or at the least have another plan (call another country or boycott IPL or plan some local T20 league, whatever..). The message you give is going to build your reputation. Waiting for BCCI AGM is really sick and I am beginning to think you are more spineless than I thought. Just like ICC !!

Posted by cricket_fixes on (September 23, 2013, 4:31 GMT)

Here are the cricketers I don't want to be selected by CSA if and when this tour is finally scheduled. They are free to select anyone else they want in the team. 1. Graeme Smith 2. Dale Steyn 3. Hashim Amla 4. AB Devilliers 5. Morne Morkel 6. Vernon Philander

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (September 23, 2013, 4:28 GMT)

So, loss for SA will be the gain for WI. Now, I can assure that we will see more Ind Vs WI and Ind vs SL in the coming days. To them who consider the loss will be minimal, just ask ZIM who recently closed their debits after an Indian tour. You must be in good relationship with most powerful to get benefits. Hail BCCI.

Posted by cricketisagame on (September 23, 2013, 4:27 GMT)

To all Indians here who posted the comments supporting the BCCI. What do you mean by "not to appoint"? Do BCCI decides, who "should not head" the cricketing bodies of other countries? Does Indian parliament decide who "should not be "the head of the government of of other countries. Each and every country/body do have the right to elect/choose their leader/head. If I am heading the sports ministry in India, I would have summoned Srinivasan for an explanation for the objection (many more matters he has to explain anyway) This is posted by an INDIAN who takes criticism constructively and treats others fairly. Do you like Australia/English/SA borads decide " who should not " head BCCI?? Please publish...

Posted by Voice.O.Reason on (September 23, 2013, 3:54 GMT)

There is a lot of unnecessary fuss being made about BCCI objecting to Lorgat's being selected as CEO of CSA. Surely they are entitled to have certain preferences? They couldn't exactly stop the selection, could they?

I think the problem here is that those who feel outraged don't think Lorgat is exactly a bad guy, or rather, they have no reason to think so. If Lorgat had been an out and out bad ICC chairman; suppose that he had allowed 30 degree arm bend to chuckers; then these critics might have seen BCCI's concerns are more reasonable. Otherwise, what is there to complain about here? If I don't like my business counterpart, should I still be forced to do normal business with them? Of course not!

Posted by Little_Aussie_Battler on (September 23, 2013, 3:44 GMT)

South Africa should stand it's ground. At the end of the day, India has to play someone. The Indians need South Africa, West Indies, England and Australia more than they realise. A little time alone might make they wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (September 23, 2013, 3:22 GMT)

@ProdigyA, actually I don't find much diference between the arrogence of BCCI and some indians like you. What you saying is that it is ok that BCCI decides who should be the CEO of other boards otherwise they won't play them. It is such a shameful thing that you should be standing against it as it is just a sport and not a super power politics. What if tomorrow BCCI says that other teams should only select players of BCCI choice otherwise they won't play? Might is not only right but arrogant too, don't you think so?

Posted by PhilCkt on (September 23, 2013, 3:22 GMT)

200 million rand is equal to 2 million USD. Losing 2 million $s is going to ruin South African cricket. You must be joking.

Posted by landl47 on (September 23, 2013, 3:15 GMT)

To all those Indian fans defending the BCCI: how would you feel if the South African board were to tell the BCCI who not to appoint? Would you be saying "That's fair enough, the BCCI shouldn't appoint anyone South Africa doesn't want"? Suppose England and Australia also came up with names of people they didn't want appointed by the BCCI. Should those people be excluded, too? Then the West Indies, New Zealand and Sri Lanka jumped in- must the BCCI follow their wishes, too, and not appoint anyone they don't like?

The BCCI (and some of the fans on here) doesn't seem to see where this is leading. Are they prepared to follow the wishes of the rest of the cricketing world and not appoint anyone to whom any other country objects? If not, what gives them the right to object to any other country's appointments?

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 2:50 GMT)

So BCCI wants to poke their hands at other cricket boards? Its absolutely ridiculous. CSA could recruit anyone and it isnt BCCIs problem int the first place. What they are doing is turning into a bully...

Posted by neurocricket on (September 23, 2013, 2:40 GMT)

This is the way it goes. People have to come to terms with it. Look at the history of south africa they treated the outsiders over decades...look at the the power USA held over 50 years in the world history....the long and short is whoever has the power will dictate the terms...I am in full support of the BCCI.....Bravo...finally India is developing some spine to stand up to the international bullies......

Posted by android_user on (September 23, 2013, 1:58 GMT)

I for once like to stand with BCCI on this issue, BCCI simply asked CSA "not to" appoint Haroon Lorgat but CSA didn't care abt BCCI's interest and moreover CSA announced touring schedule without discussing it with BCCI. It is unethical to decide something without discussing it with the other concerned party. Why people are blaming BCCI? Why can't you see CSA's arrogance? How can they announce a series schedule without discussing it with BCCI? Isn't that bullying? I personally want CSA to suffer financially and all others who are saying all boards must boycott India, It's the stupidest thing I ever read. India generates 70% of all revenues in world cricket...There will be two or three IPLs in a year and every international player will come to play in these IPLs bcz they have families to feed. Pakistanis are the ones who are suggesting to boycott India.. I mean how stupid you guys are huh?

Posted by HansieC on (September 23, 2013, 1:54 GMT)

Its funny the arrogance of the BCCI and there fans to think themselves greater than cricket. Its true that India plays a huge role in international cricket however cricket does not owe India anything. India owes cricket a great deal for without cricket would India really be itself? I understand the gripe but believing your bigger than the game will hurt you in the end. Ruin a great relationship with CSA and the world will take note. Ok better SA than England or Australia but this battle is pointless. Flex your muscle at something productive and quit holding cricket hostage over high school drama. I'm still trying to figure out if India is butt hurt over Logart or what might happen in SA if the man up and come play. Either way you look petty and egotistical BCCI

Posted by BostonKing on (September 23, 2013, 1:43 GMT)

Nobody s disputing the fact CSA does not have the right to appoint whom they like, but they do not have the right to force another board to deal with them on their terms. I remember 70's when England and Australia use to force their way. It is business first and learn to live with it. BCCI has the power it use it to its advantage.

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 1:42 GMT)

I think its time for Aus, Eng, SA, and NZ (and anyone else who will tag along) to split from this BCCI-manipulated system. While CSA might have overestimated its hand, the BCCI is also overestimating its economic clout. Without Aus, Eng and SA, the only other big draw left for Indian audiences (and sponsors!) would be a series against Pakistan. And given the political roadblocks involved there, this is not a consistent and guaranteed money-maker.

What exactly will the BCCI make money from then? No big Southern summer tours, no Tests at Lords', a seriously depleted IPL, no Champions League, no World Cup, no Champions Trophy, nothing.

Everyone, and especially the BCCI, is forgetting that International Cricket is a very small community. Since we have all invested nothing in developing other countries as future cricket partners, we are stuck with them as much as they are stuck with us. So stand up with dignity and grow a pair. This will be better for Indian cricket too in the long run.

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 1:19 GMT)

This is what happens when power gets to your head. Canceling a series because you don't like a guy from the other country. What is this kindergarten? ? Undeserving people in power have no idea what to do with it. STUPID!!! "I am not telling you who to appoint but telling you who not to appoint" who are you ?? Batman??

Posted by   on (September 23, 2013, 0:24 GMT)

Forget local boards, the ICC itself is a business. Business goes where money flows. Hear ye, all BCCI-bashers, the BCCI's financial might has literally propped up plenty of boards in its time. In business, that's kinda-sorta like purchasing stocks in the other boards. That *does* give them a say in company (local board) matters.

Now, not sure if CSA is on that list (of BCCI largesse), but either way, it's been documented right here on Cricinfo of how the BCCI has been a very good friend of CSA. I'm sure the reverse has been true (I can straight-away think of one occasion), but bottom-line is CSA has more to lose than the BCCI if the India tour is canceled or curtailed. The BCCI simply doesn't care either way. If CSA didn't either, it's a matter of agreeing to disagree and parting amicably. If CSA does, it is for CSA to come up with measures that ensure that the curtailment doesn't happen.

Cricket, I'm sure, shall continue to happen. Another administration in the BCCI and who knows?

Posted by Wacky_Cric_Lover on (September 22, 2013, 23:54 GMT)

With incidents like these the cricket has just become WWE of 21st century. BCCI being the strongest board are playing their cards very carefully and very openly. This display of sheer arrogance is an alarm for all cricketing nations. A message to BCCI if they are listening: Please dont take the cricketing world hostage. You have the power. Use it with responsibility.

Posted by Happy_hamster on (September 22, 2013, 23:44 GMT)

India were hammered into the ground on their last 2 trips outside of Asia against decent opposition, they are due to play a team with a better attack than England or Australia and have new players untested in tests abroad; my rather protracted point is this is a mere smokescreen to get the tour called off and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool or deluded, India is all about trying to make themselves look better than they are to a sporting population with no other sporting heroes, none.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 23:19 GMT)

Why such silence from cricketers? Both retired and those currently in the game. Is your tongue owned by the power wielded by one board. If it is money, then indeed it is a sad day. Your character and ethics would have been severely compromised. It is scary, we are going down a slippery road with enormous consequences, from which recovery would be at a heavy cost. Other boards appear tongue tied as well, perhaps for same fears. Be rest assured, you may be targeted next if you upset big brother in any shape, form or manner. I never thought I would divest my self from the passion I have for the sport. But alas, the likes of Sobers, Richards, Lara, Tendulkar , Dravid, Ponting, Abbas, and many others have come and gone. And so, it may be time............

Posted by Robster1 on (September 22, 2013, 22:22 GMT)

Can somebody please explain why a cricket board in India should have any say so as to who is appointed in another country? I guess sadly it's all about the $ and egos.

Posted by __PK on (September 22, 2013, 22:13 GMT)

The BCCI are like that spoilt kid that noone liked, but was tolerated because his parents were the only ones who would buy him a cricket bat. But the reason he wasn't liked was because he thought that gave him the right to set the rules. Well, the BCCI don't like the new kid CSA invited to the game, so they're taking their bat and going home.

Posted by shillingsworth on (September 22, 2013, 21:33 GMT)

@Rahul_Ah - The business analogy is false. The members of the BCCI have not invested any of their own capital in it. Accordingly they do not 'own' it, as a shareholder owns a business. Members of the BCCI are elected to serve the interests of cricket in India and to represent the country at the ICC, not to pursue damaging personal vendettas. For BCCI read any other national cricket board.

@CandidIndian - The infamous tour itinerary was announced by CSA on July 8. Lorgat was appointed on July 20. Blaming him for the initial scheduling fiasco is harsh.

Posted by McPiggle on (September 22, 2013, 20:02 GMT)

Such is the carp of international cricket today that one union has so much power that not even the international governing body has the ability to reign it in. And the BCCI will carry on throwing its weight around until the game of cricket we all love so dearly is in ruins; decimated by its arrogance.

It must suck to be an Indian cricket fan right now. If I were an Indian cricket fan, I would be in abject mourning; hanging my head in shame that is the disgrace the BCCI intends to reign down on the international game.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 19:45 GMT)

Today People across the world knows this fact that Playing with India means generating revenue, and we have seen in past past how our players & our Board were treated on tour it's our time..if you are benefited by according to our rules

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 19:03 GMT)

Bcci has thw power and they are using it. If anyone has problem then just go and ask your board not to play against India which is never gonna happen

Posted by ProdigyA on (September 22, 2013, 18:52 GMT)

Ok so BCCI has to feed the world of cricket but still can't express how it feels about somebody. BCCI does 100 different things, which r completely ignored and when it does something which it has every right to do so, all hell breaks lose. What double standards. BCCI should actually stop touring for a couple of years then the ICC and the so-called goodwill ambassadors will know how stupid they are.

Posted by CandidIndian on (September 22, 2013, 18:44 GMT)

As usual anti BCCI bandwagon is at work here. I as an Indian fan never liked the way BCCI works , however we need to look at both sides here. BCCI had reservations about Logart getting into CSA and they were proved right when tour itinerary was announced by CSA without even consulting, sheer arrogance i must say. BCCI has differences with ECB too but England tour did not get cancelled due to that, as ECB dealt with things sensibly by getting into bilateral consultations before announcing tour program. No one is asking that why Logart and CSA wanted BCCI to fall in line by accepting their one sided announcement?

Posted by CandidIndian on (September 22, 2013, 18:43 GMT)

As usual anti BCCI bandwagon is at work here. I as an Indian fan never liked the way BCCI works , however we need to look at both sides here. BCCI had reservations about Logart getting into CSA and they were proved right when tour itinerary was announced by CSA without even consulting, sheer arrogance i must say. BCCI has differences with ECB too but England tour did not get cancelled due to that, as ECB dealt with things sensibly by getting into bilateral consultations before announcing tour program. No one is asking that why Logart and CSA wanted BCCI to fall in line by accepting their one sided announcement?

Posted by Rahul_Ah on (September 22, 2013, 18:25 GMT)

Second, I can actually understand BCCI`s position on this. If I am a business owner, and I am asked to work with another business on a project, I have a right to say No. If I have had issues in the past with that other business owner or employee that I would be dealing with, I should be able to say "No thanks", and just walk away. I should not be forced to work with that person even though I hate him, or he has done me some wrong in the past.

BCCI made it clear to CSA beforehand. That was a fair warning. CSA chose not to heed it, and underestimated the fallout. It does not have to be anybody`s fault, but the fact remains, BCCI should have a right to not have to deal with someone they have issues with.

Stop looking at BCCI as anything else but a business. In this case at least, they are not overstepping their boundaries. They are not trying to control CSA`s administration. They simply dislike this guy, and don't want to deal with him.

Posted by Rahul_Ah on (September 22, 2013, 18:18 GMT)

First of all, to those saying BCCI should care about the fans and cricket first, its never going to happen. BCCI stands for Board of Control for Cricket in India.

It was made to control the cricket, not to serve the cricket. ICL was an example. All the cricket boards are made with money in mind. If there is no money coming in, they simply wont do much. Its not owned by the government or by the public.

It is a business, and the cricketers are the employees. Forget BCCI, other boards also banned their cricketers who went to take part in ICL. It was not because they want to promote cricket, but rather stifle anything that might affect the incoming money. Based on this alone forget about other boards boycotting India. It will never happen. BCCI will always be strong, because India has a huge cricket crazy population. Sponsors pay more when India is involved because there are simply more viewers. So Indian matches are not going anywhere.

Posted by android_user on (September 22, 2013, 18:18 GMT)

I just hope that the tour just does not get cancelled. Hoping that it does not get shortened is futile as BCCI has already shortened the window for the tour. We the fans atlrast deserve a 3 match test series.

Posted by hst84 on (September 22, 2013, 16:03 GMT)

It has been observed that cricket boards are there to serve their own country and manage, plan and speak according to some limitations and jurisdictions. The attitude of BCCI is quite alarming and unethical knowing the fact that it's the internal matter of CSA and they are a sovereign body to elect and not elect any member to its advantage or disadvantage.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 15:51 GMT)

CSK_ku_periya_whistle_adinga on (September 22, 2013, 13:57 GMT) The BCCI needs foreign players for the IPL. Would you go to stadiums or watch it on TV if there were no foreign players playing? The BCCI already has inter-state competitions like the Ranji and the Challenger Cup, and we all know how empty those stadiums are and how little they are seen and read about on cricinfo.

Posted by Cricketique on (September 22, 2013, 15:43 GMT)

It's a sad state of affairs for one nation to stipulate to the other on whom to appoint to run their cricket administration. Whatever issues the BCCI had with Haroon Lorgat in the past should be buried in the past. This Tit for Tat mentality seems very immature and is a proverbial slap on the faces of ordinary cricket-loving fans. There's no doubting BCCI's financial might but where's the common sense and dignity in dealing with this sordid episode?

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 15:28 GMT)

I just wonder since when BCCI became the moral guru of cricket? May be like anything else in India and sports in the world we onle see tables, win and forget about morality, money talks everywhere.

Posted by shrastogi on (September 22, 2013, 15:22 GMT)

Instead of blaming BCCI I think CSA should have accepted BCCI's request of who not to appoint. As an Indian I would like to think that India has a legitimate clout in cricket world and its requests should be heeded at. CSA has all the rights to reject the requests but then should know the consequences. As a cricket enthusiast I would like the tour to go on but not with a board who has appointed someone who has not looked at Indian interests sympathetically and has rubbed us the wrong way. For me more than tour the Indian interests are supreme.

Posted by nauman421 on (September 22, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

What if India were the hosts of this series, would India be same stern.........Its CSA prerogative whom to elect their Chairman, Lorgat or any xyz. Its a shame that no one, from ICC to any media is pointing that out. Everyone is scared of BCCI. Actually not BCCI, but BCCI's money. Shame!!

Posted by Stateside_Steve on (September 22, 2013, 14:59 GMT)

Can someone write the side of the story about what kind of ethics issues were raise on Lograt. Everyone seems to be glossing over that. The story remains very one sided. Remember there are always two sides to a story.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 14:59 GMT)

i just dont get it. Who has given BCCI the authority to decide who becomes CSA Chief??? this interference in the internal affairs in South African cricket's domestic affairs is appalling!!

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 14:49 GMT)

I just hope that the tour goes and south africa gives india a real hiding.what sort of behavior is that? Cricket should be allowed to move on in its own spirit. These indian administrators are transgressing limit everywhere.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 14:47 GMT)

@vildoc...the first intelligent, rational comment I've heard on this matter. Economically, at this point of time, other boards CANNOT afford to boycott India, just due to pure financial power. Unfortunately, the BCCI knows this, and is free to do whatever it pleases, which is detrimental to international cricket. Boycotting would just drive the other boards into the ground, since the BCCI probably has insane amounts of money to back itself up, and an EPL-type model (IPL is mini-EPL...I'm talking something like half the year or so) would give a sustainable model to the BCCI. Other boards cannot afford to lose hundreds of millions of eyeballs. Unfortunate, but sadly true.

Posted by maddy20 on (September 22, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

"He denied that he had done anything wrong. He said whatever he had done as ICC chief executive was within accepted business practices and had the approval of the ICC president." Does that include denying Indian government details requested to grant a tax exemption? There are several other issues such as mandatory DRS and partial implementation of Woolfe report,particularly the point which says "revenues of all boards go to ICC" which will then split it equally. I dare question them, did the likes of ECB and CA do the same when BCCI was in its budding stage? Now that BCCI is rich and powerful the Woolfe report says that ECB should get a piece of our pie! CSA has forgotten that it was India who played a key role in fast-tracking their re-induction into cricket and this is what we get in return! Cricinfo pls publish!

Posted by bobmartin on (September 22, 2013, 14:20 GMT)

I haven't read all the someone may have already said something similar to what I am about to write.. if so my apologies.. Firstly the very essence of justice in a civilised society is innocent until proven guilty.. So whoever it is making these accusations against Lorgat which a) might cost Lorgat his job... or b) cause a tour to be cancelled, had better tread carefully. Secondly, it is no business of the BCCI who CSA ...or indeed any other countrys board... appoint.. and to be flexing their muscles like this only goes to prove what it seems the rest of the world have already suspected... that the BCCI have no interest in cricket.. only in power.

Posted by ansram on (September 22, 2013, 14:18 GMT)

Turning to court may help CSA temporarily, but they could be permanently sidelined by BCCI after that. Cricket is such that a major chunk of revenues are generated in India, so it is natural that BCCI will try to flex its muscles. For the time being, it is better to listen to BCCI if you want to flourish in cricket.

Posted by srikanths on (September 22, 2013, 14:14 GMT)

Welcome to the Reverse Imperialism period. Sad state of affairs. Saying that they are just saying only who not to select is almost like stipulation of qualification criteria by BCCI to CSA.

Cricket is played on a circular ground and with a round ball.May be a lesson for ECB and CSA that when things are in circles , what goes comes back at some stage. Same will apply to BCCI also.The case of getting back is never ending.

The ECB s and CSA will cry foul now ,but adopt similar stance later at some stage.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 14:13 GMT)

It is a pity that the ego of a few individuals is hampering the conduct of a cricket series between two leading nations. Cricket could definitely do without this, especially when one does not get to watch quality test cricket that often. This series would not only be a good advertisement of test cricket, but more importantly would be important in attracting the next generation.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 14:07 GMT)

CSA should not worry about the financial implications, it Cricket not a business.Indian Cricketers will loose out, not SA Cricket.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 13:57 GMT)

It is CSA's fault to appoint Lorgat who has very bad relations with BCCI in the past, they were asked to appoint ANYONE but Lorgat but CSA still went ahead with him and will now face the consequence of their actions.

CSA and Lorgat were hoping that there will be a regime change and hence they were not ready to mend ties and even announced the tour schedule without consulting BCCI, CSA will be in a for a huge shock when Mr. Srinivasan wins the election with a unianimous vote.

Posted by IndianEagle on (September 22, 2013, 13:57 GMT)

@all_says_isolate_bcci BCCI has ability and money to create rival icc like council with help of sl, pak, bang, zim and other minnows. one cannot rule out bcci in cricket world. BCCI can survive with base ball like structure using ipl, without need of foreign players and also matches bw states as like international matches. But what about others?

Posted by Dashgar on (September 22, 2013, 13:24 GMT)

This isn't CSA's fault. Once we shift any blame to them the political powers trying to take over our game have won. There is an Indian tour of South Africa scheduled. It must go ahead. The two boards can squabble over politics but the matches must remain sacred. Without matches we have no game.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 13:16 GMT)

@SC13159 I agree cricket cannot happen without administrators and they are critical but the point I'm making is that personal differences should not scupper exciting tours. Administrators should be invisible- the BBCI however are more visible than the Indian players themselves. That's the part that's despicable.

Posted by vildoc on (September 22, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

@Iqbal Hamied @ Steve Turner The idea of ostracising India and completely alienating them is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Do you have any idea how television deals are made. How and why the telivision channels put so much importance to India lies in the fact that it has a huge base. Its companies put a lot of money for advertising. India will simply go the way of American pro sports. What it would do to the world cricket is anybody's guess. With 70% of its revenue generator gone the cricket playing countries can then kiss their sport goodbye.

Posted by tanstell87 on (September 22, 2013, 12:51 GMT)

@ - that wont happen...The Asian block - Pakistan,Sri Lanka & Bangladesh will support India & so would Zimbabwe & West how about England,Australia,South Africa & New Zealand only playing amongst themselves...Cricinfo please publish

Posted by ladycricfan on (September 22, 2013, 12:39 GMT)

@Rohit Alimchandani cricket can't happen without administrators. They are the ones who arrange tours, negotiate deals, choose players, organize domestic setup etc.... When boards are friendly we never notice the administrators. When they have problem only we realise the work they do.

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (September 22, 2013, 12:39 GMT)

All boards should avoid BCCI to save cricket.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 12:32 GMT)

The Indian cricket administration are a bunch of spoilt brat with huge chips on their shoulders. They think they can throw their weight around because of their television revenues. Cricket can't be run in this way and the sooner cricket administrators in other countries realise they need to be reined in the better. After all their childishness the ICC should decide to tell them how administrators should behave or suspend relations with India until such time as they mend their childishly arrogant ways. The long term interests of the game are threatened and that, not short term gain, should be the priority. Let's see what happens to Indian cricket if no-one will play them and the BCCI don't have their television revenues.

Posted by santhoo24 on (September 22, 2013, 12:32 GMT)

interestingly, the CSA chose to leak these reports of correspondence between them and BCCI and are portraying BCCI as a monster. While as with many of my fellow compatriots I don't agree with everything BCCI does, I see problem from RSA's end. When RSA released the itinerary without BCCI's consent and BCCI objected it, RSA maintained silence when they should have been proactive and at least attempted to resolve the issue. Coupled to the fact that BCCI has it's reservation in Lorgat's appointment, it has a grim image. Uncouple these two issues and things would be simple. All RSA has to do is admit they finalized the itinerary without BCCI's consent, request for a proposed schedule, and if both boards agree, the tour goes on. The other issues could be sorted as time progresses.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 12:24 GMT)

CSA's situation is analogous to Indian economy depending on FED reserve,This crisis should be considered as an opportunity to reduce dependency on BCCI. Look at long term perspective, forget Indian tour and its consequences, dish out ideas to make SA cricket a lucrative one, Improve the marketing. Hope Lorgat stays as CSA chief, Raghu ram rajan of CSA.

Posted by YS_USA on (September 22, 2013, 12:19 GMT)

This is a classic example that "Money is power."

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 12:18 GMT)

BCCI is to ICC/Cricket what USA is to the UN/world politics...the elephant in the room.... everyone has to learn to live with it and work with it.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 12:16 GMT)

If you look at World Politics, it is the US which decides what to do and not what to do since they have the power in their hands. Accordingly, at the moment, in Cricket, India is the Super Power and therefore it expects similar treatment from other members of ICC. During his tenure at ICC, Lorgat was against India in many issues and therefore they are trying to use this opportunity to punish him. The CSA should bring a Political Strong Person to discuss with Indian Government and through them, they should persuade BCCI to lower their stand on the Lorgat appointment. This is the only possibility at the current situation whether Srinivasan is at the helm or not, BCCI will not change their stand. So CSA should act immediately to avoid further losses.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 12:15 GMT)

this situation is analogous to indian economy depending on FED reserve.This crisis should be considered as opportunity by CSA officials to reduce dependency on BCCI for their survival. Hope People will place faith in Lorgat,CSA's Raghu ram rajan.

Posted by cnksnk on (September 22, 2013, 12:05 GMT)

Contd 2... Even my 3 year old son will tell you that it is stupid. Finally there are repeated mentions that the role of Lorgart duriing his ICC days needs to be investigated. Not sure if this just some one being vindictive or if there is something more to it. Srinivasan is too shrewed an operator to throw base less accusations. Not sure if some one in the ICC ever had a re look or as this article mentions, anyway Lorgart was on his way out and hence the issue did not merit a re look. Having said all this it is sad that fans like us are spending time in reacting to articles like this rather than anticipate and argue on the merits of the teams while looking forward to the test series.. Still as an optimist here is wishing that we have 3 - 4 tests with 3 practice games and ODI and T 20 can be re scheduled for another day... is this too much for fans to expect from BCCI and CSA. Come on folks give us what we fans want.

Posted by cnksnk on (September 22, 2013, 11:59 GMT)

Contd 1... CSA officials are either extremely stupid or naive. The President of the BCCI is passing on a message and they choose to take the inputs from IS Bindra who is an ex President and who has no say in the running of the BCCI at all. So was CSA hoping that Bindra would come back or were they plotting for Srinivasan's removal. Even without reading tea leaves one could say that Srinivasan was not going to end his term this year when there is a possibility of him standing for re election. Also the statement that the impact of BCCI withdrawing the team would be minimal is absolutely stupid. It was clear to CSA that all other teams were occupied and that BCCI was the only option. Besides the revenue that India brings can hardly be matched by any one else. So the bunch of CSA administrators who felt and took decisions based on the minimal impact theory truly should not occupy an administrative position of an kind... Contd 2.....

Posted by Mr.PotatoesTomatoes on (September 22, 2013, 11:58 GMT)

Its quite clear that it will either need a change in the current dispensation at the BCCI or a lot of appeasement from the CSA to ensure that the Proteas get to play their first test match in more than eight this year.The CSA have clearly been pushed into a corner by the BCCI's high-handedness,and you got to feel for them.That said they should have weighed their options really carefully before deciding on Mr.Lorgat.In an ideal world it shouldn't be anyone's darned business as to who gets to chair the CSA,but guess what?the world doesn't give two hoots about ideals. The idea of forming a bloc against India and boycotting visiting the country isn't in anyone's interests,just as the current impasse isn't in the interests of cricket whether it's India or South Africa.Even if one indulged this fancy,would the CSA find support from Eng and Aus,the other two major cricket boards.We all know whose side these boards have already snuggled upto.

Posted by mensan on (September 22, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

BCCI never tell how Lorgat harmed then when in ICC. This is strange.

If BCCI has any problem with Lorgat, it must complaint to ICC. What is the fault of CSA? It must not have bullied CSA or bully it now. This will lead to JUNGLE LAW. There will be no order left in world cricket.

To help cricket as a whole, all the boards must make ICC strong.

If BCCI fails to honour FTP committments, it must be expelled from ICC. No board should allow it's players in IPL. Then BCCI would die.

Posted by cnksnk on (September 22, 2013, 11:49 GMT)

The entire episode seems to be a sorry tale of ego and mis understanding. Firstly we still do not know what caused the issue. We do not have any official version from BCCI and it will be good if they come out with their official version. Till then such articles based on hearsay and quoting un named officials will just raise the temperature of us fans without adding to the clarity. BCCI as indicated was not interested in dealing with Lorgart and had indicated this earlier to the folks in CSA. A similar line can be drawn by the US indicating that they would not be dealing with the earlier President of Iran Mr Ahmedanijad. Iran choose to elect him understanding the consequences that could follow. In a perfect world such preferences are not welcome but we are hardly living in a perfect world. Post his election Largart made appropriate noices about meeting BCCI officials and sorting out things. Not sure why that meeting did not happen..... Contd

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (September 22, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

nothing has happened right now,dont speculate the wrong news,india helped SA a lot of times,their friendship is from a long time,it cannot get effected by means of one person,lot of time to go before the series,wait untill the right news comes

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 11:31 GMT)

I am not a fan of BCCI and do not support them. As this article shows " BCCI is not telling who to appoint, they are telling who one person not to appoint". Here is what I found of TOI as suspected reasons "A source, however said Lorgat and the BCCI agreed to disagree over many issues after he became ICC chief in 2008. "Lorgat was pushing for the Decision Review System (DRS) much against the wishes of the BCCI. Then, there was the Lord Woolf Commission, initiated by Lorgat to do an independent review of the affairs of the ICC along with the Pricewaterhouse Coopers after the 2011 World Cup. That was the proverbial last straw that broke the camel's back. They also didn't like the fact that Lorgat always liked to remain in the news," the source said.

The Woolf Report, which was tabled in February last year, called for sweeping changes in the administration of cricket and the functioning of the ICC. It recommended a restructuring of the ICC's executive board to make it more independent"

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 11:30 GMT)

well the next thing for BCCI could be to ask CSA to remove Dale Steyn form their squad.....

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 11:28 GMT)

You deal with organisations and not individuals as individual come and go.This is not good for the game as SA is best test side in the world and I think Indian team is on the rise and a lot to prove in test cricket. Regardless of the fact who is heading CSA. India should go and play the best test team. They might not win against SA on quick bouncing pitches but they will prove a point and will be real indicator of Dhoni 11 where they stand in test cricket. This will also answer all the critics of IPL and India's commitment to test cricket. The only other reason not to tour SA would be to avoid another 4-0 thrashing just like in England in 2011.

Posted by popcorn on (September 22, 2013, 11:28 GMT)

Srinivasan's vindictiveness and personal vendetta is disgusting. He has no business to advise WHO CASA should appont or not appoint.As per ICC's FTP, India are OBLIGED To tour South Africa this summer. ICC should declare null and void ANY MATCH that India plays THAT IS NOT AS PER THE FTP. But will this toothless hag,ICC have the guts? Sic.

Posted by Narkovian on (September 22, 2013, 11:27 GMT)

Seems to me that no-one has the right to tell CSA who to appoint, any more than CSA would have any right to tell BCCI. Just like no-one except Indians has the right to tell India or any other country who to vote for in parliament. We may not like the political leaders of France or India, or Germany, but they have been voted in to power by their own people. So we just have to deal with them. Cricket should be the same. Current situation is pathetici and is driven by money and politcs. I am fed up with a few people with vested interests telling the cricket world who they should play, how they should play and when they should play. Another thing I would say in general is... Play less often 'cos it is getting ridiculous.

Posted by Rags57 on (September 22, 2013, 11:21 GMT)

The sad part in all this is the fact that the game of cricket and the fans are the biggest losers - not CSA. India Vs SA in SA is a terrific duel and what we are going to end up getting are some pointless one day matches with lower ranked teams. BCCI under Srinivasan has been arrogant all along and hope some day they are made to pay for all of this.

Posted by HiyerNHiyer on (September 22, 2013, 11:20 GMT) people who recommend that BCCI be isolated, please remember, the other countries did this to Pakistan and BCCI inspite of all the issues between India and Pakistan still invited them to the CL 20 and made their participation possible. so while crucifying them for bullying, please keep in mind a few small things that they have done..

Also, isolating BCCI could lead to rebel tours like what happened when CSA was banned from international cricket. The lure of money is strong enough and a lot of international cricketers might still travel to India to play against the wishes of their respective boards.. Not sure too many boards will take the risk of making an error in their financial calculations.

That said, I once again do not endorse the way the BCCI is being run,,but say that they have the right to make themselves heard. Power is useless if you dont wield it to make your point heard. If BCCI takes this lying down then tomorrow everyone will try and have their way with them

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

The biggest problem with BCCI is that not maintaining transparency. If BCCI is reluctant to do so, then CSA should come out and tell why BCCI is having issue for someone being appointed as CSA president.

Posted by HiyerNHiyer on (September 22, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

I still remember a lot of people bashing BCCI and the senior players on DRS non acceptance stating that they were being selfish... if the Ashes is anything to go by.. then the BCCI were right on the mark.. I am not for once supporting Srinivasan.. but then its not as if CSA officials are saints either.. be it the Bonus scandal or the Haroon issue or the appointment of Haroon as the CSA chief by the CSA board knowing fully well that there would be issues..

Just one last point.. If the financial ramifications were actually negligible then would CSA still be willing to cooperate with BCCI.. its not for me to answer...

Posted by HiyerNHiyer on (September 22, 2013, 11:10 GMT)

A few pointers A) BCCI did say that they had issues with Haroon and this was taken in a ICC meeting but not pursued as he was leaving B) CSA made a huge "financial" calculation error and they were willing to antagonize BCCI if the "Money" involved was "negligible" C) CSA were backing Bindra in the so called "Change in Guard", so they were also playing "Politics" as well. D) Board Room Politics exist and thats why when the Subcontinent team wanted the rule of two new balls in one dayer's to be done away the CA, ECB and Co ganged up against them.Please remember BCCI was the first to host SA upon their re-admittance and BCCI had already objected to the itinerary. BCCI may do a lot of things wrong but they have every right to stand their ground and protect their image and self respect. CSA were willing rather happy to antagonize the BCCI if they could get away with it. They did not get away with their plans so they must face the music.

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (September 22, 2013, 11:01 GMT)

BCCI all da way. I m so glad we have a board in our region which can seriously raise our concerns n issues with CSA, CA n ECB. Haroon Logart has acted like a dictator in his ICC role and BCCI is just letting him taste his own medicine.

Posted by Mahooch on (September 22, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

If the BCCI doesn't want a South African CEO 'thrust upon them', the rest of the cricketing world should boycott Indian tours.

Posted by TengaZool on (September 22, 2013, 10:42 GMT)

It is quite common in the corporate world for one company to request the other to not appoint someone as the client executive or say the ops executive - if they do, they risk losing a lucrative contract. So, this is not as scandalous as it seems - CSA just managed it pretty badly and took some risks which might expose it to some short term revenue losses. In regards to BCCI, I'll say what I've said before - BCCI is dealing with some bullying issues from the pre 1990s world which has resulted in it turning into a bigger bully. It can be fixed - the first step would be a change of its current administrative board.

Posted by VisBal on (September 22, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

@CSK_ku_periya_whistle, Kasi_gun: What BCCI are effectively doing is interfering in the internal workings of other boards. Now they say, "we only told you whom not to appoint". Based on a victory, they will gain confidence. The next (small) step is telling them (or any other board) WHOM to appoint. Further down, you may see BCCI interfering in other decisions of other boards (like lengths and timings of bilateral series, etc). BCCI SHOULD NOT be allowed to dictate the agenda of other boards. BTW, in case you are wondering why, Lorgat was one of the strongest proponents of DRS and it was during his Chairmanship that (almost) all boards started using DRS for their series, leaving BCCI as the sore thumb; this case is only a matter of Srini's ego.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 10:40 GMT)

no one knows y BCCI is behaving in such manner. its CSA job 2 appoint their boss if BCCI have some problem with him in ICC they can sort it out now if BCCI don't want DRS it will not be there BCCI must understand that other cricket board have also respect & they need 2 sort out things amicably.

Posted by android_user on (September 22, 2013, 10:37 GMT)

fully agrees to writer here. as responsible individuals its our duty to be accountable for our actions. csa appointed lorgat despite bcci warning the financial fallout is their responsibility. bcci didn't tell them which person to be appointed. they let them know which person should not be made head.

Posted by PeterJerome on (September 22, 2013, 10:27 GMT)

@ODIBestform: If the BCCI has some sort diplomacy in them then they should understand that being head of ICC and then CSA are entirely 2 different subjects and they shouldnt be mixed together. Plus, the BCCI did not even make it a point to explain the nature of the dispute whether it was only agst their interest or in the general interest. Im sure you would still disagree. Try this then, how if there was a change in committee in the BCCI and the new committee did not have any dispute with Lorgat. That means the whatsoever dispute itself boils down to personal level with Srinivasan & co. If it is not a dispute at a personal level, why isnt it documented and published for all to see. Its a real shame.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 10:25 GMT)

BCCI is refusing to tour because they don't like the Chief Exec. of South Africa? What gives them that right?

Posted by GRVJPR on (September 22, 2013, 10:23 GMT)

@ Lithnes Ramuk Ok, then cancel playing with India, if you have such a big ego. If BCCI is dictator, as per you, why you continue to play with India. Don't play. Your problem is you want two thins : "All the money from India, at the same time insulting BCCI and India". I am telling you that we are not interested in any cricket with you.

Posted by GRVJPR on (September 22, 2013, 10:20 GMT)

What did others do when they had control for years. ACB, ECB, SACB all had their ways. Indian players suffered badly due to discrimination. The only truth is "People are Jealous of BCCI". People might accept or not this fact. Media houses actually want to get a huge chunk of money from BCCI. Tha's why they run hate news and other anti BCCI articles. They are trying to maline India as a nation. BCCI should take them to court.

Posted by nursery_ender on (September 22, 2013, 10:18 GMT)

Maybe one board or another should boycott India as long as Srinivasan is on the scene. BCCI wouldn't be able to object would they? It would be clear double standards and that would never happen.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 10:15 GMT)

Many guys seem to forget - for the most part cricket is a business. Boards in themselves (for the most part) are no way affiliated to sports ministries of their respective countries. And many boards/ICC are trying to be more effective by taking up more business related approach. In business you don't take drastic decisions without being sure of having no impact on your business.This is where CSA messed up. The whole assumption that Srinivasan will be replaced has backfired badly. Its even worse that they dont seem to have planned for contingency - what if Srinivasan gets elected again? What is Lorgat doing - for all the defiance CSA has shown in hiring him, he should have come up with plan to take on BCCI/get some money for CSA. For guys saying, yeah lets stop playing BCCI. Excellent solution but then ask the boards if they are unwilling to do away with the money rolling in. Or ask the players who are paid more to play against India. Please dont confuse, most of it is about the money.

Posted by Tigg on (September 22, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

The issue jere, even more annoying than the BCCI bully-boy tactics, is teams not following the FTP. Flawed or no, the FTP sorts out the fixtures in advance and until something better turns up, needs to be adhered to.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 10:08 GMT)

Logart immediately showed the reason why BCCI were against his appointment. Lets keep the politics aside. SA Board were the ones who need to utilize the maximum benefit from the tour monetarily. So they must be hell bent on the fact to make sure at least the other team touring are in the same page. Following are the reason why CSA and Logart completely made fool out of themselves.

1. Logart was indeed the best candidate but CSA must had made sure to control his ego. 2. Though BCCI were not happy they did not threaten anyone in CSA. If the tour dates were discussed then there would never had been a problem in the first place. 3. BCCI gave a chance to accommodate the tour dates by just reducing a week with less match gaps. Still CSA were adament.

Do people want BCCI to bend over their status?? It is CSA who are badly in need of the tour.

BCCI with their prime status did try to slightly adjust their ego whereas CSA with lots to lose held their ego tight. Its too late for CSA now.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 9:48 GMT)

Somehow showing BCCI as a vilian is enjoyed by all. When BCCI XI got rough treatment in Sri lank with DRS no action or reaction on review of technology was taken rather BCCI was told to use it judiciuously. Now one series involving Aus and Eng it was use badly and ICC is reviewing it and no critics :). Only sub continent teams were getting penalised by ICC match referees and Aus used to get away likes of Mcgrath but no noise :). ... There is a specific issue with CSA and BCCI and everyday there is an article reviewing it and have an opinion, not sure how many such arm twisting happens for Aus and Eng which no one even gets to know. Surely we are shown who rules but reality seems to be something else. Please publish.

Posted by MatthewHendry on (September 22, 2013, 9:43 GMT)

Positively disgraceful, that the ICC is powerless to intervene in what is a simple case of bullying by the BCCI - I'm no Lorgat fan, but to throw a tantrum because you don't like someone is beyond belief !! The Indian players themselves should oppose this ridiculous grandstanding by their Board and the Cricket world should sort this out - there is no place for this poor behaviour in modern-day sport :( Shame on you, Sirinivasan :(

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 9:42 GMT)

In a way this is good for world cricket. Everyone can see now exactly what a dire threat to the world game india actually is. Boards need to learn to be self sufficient instead of lazily accepting BCCI help. This is where it gets you ultimately. This kind of intimidation is mind boggling. Its sadly not unexpected after all the bullying weve seen of host countries into preparing favourable conditions for the Indian cricket team. whatever that may be - lack of DRS, pitches to favour the indian batsmen - umpiring that gives the benefit of the doubt to Indian players as opposed to the batsmen etc etc etc. The only good news is that all scourges are eventually overcome. Good will prevail in the end.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 22, 2013, 9:31 GMT)

Seems sad that we won't discover how well matched these 2 sides are because of politics. I like the point

"BCCI wasn't telling them who to appoint, but who not to appoint."

As to me it kind of amounts to the same thing. Again , it would be nice for the public to know exactly what the misconduct issues relates to etc so they can decide as to whether the BCCI's reservations on Mr Lorgat are worth scrapping a tour over etc

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 9:30 GMT)

Pity state of affairs........As Indian I am ashamed regarding the stand taken by BCCI .......

Posted by ladycricfan on (September 22, 2013, 9:30 GMT)

Even Sl vBang FTP will be in trouble if the relevant boards have problems with each other. To negotiate amicably you need to have good relationship. BCCI doesn't have problems with the other boards. Why people are asking other boards to boycot india when the only problem bcci seems to have is dealing with Mr Lorgat. Hope a shortened tour will happen and we'll have at least 2 tests and 3odis.

Posted by kc69 on (September 22, 2013, 9:27 GMT)

Being an Indian I feel most of us are also annoyed the way BCCI is behaving but let me tell you other cricket boards cannot do anything regarding this.Let us suppose like some previous posts suggested a few boards come togather and boycott India tours but still a few others will come forward to play (at least associates) and being a cash rich cricket crazy nation bcci will still prosper.The only solution is to change top management in bcci.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 9:23 GMT)

It is really disappointing to know that my national team and my favourite team will probably not play each other at all. This was probably the second most anticipated series after the Ashes. I agree as most Indians that BCCI needs to be brought to its knees. They need to be taught that the cricketers and spectators are most important for this sport. The only way we can do this is #BoycottBCCI. Just look how they are embarrassing Sachin.

Posted by pon009 on (September 22, 2013, 9:22 GMT)

good luck to real cricket fans who dont want to watch involving bcci

Posted by Ricky_the_Ponting on (September 22, 2013, 9:21 GMT)

Please read with no bias in mind. BCCI is a governing body made up of several officials and not the fancy of one individual. If BCCI had shared its concerns open and wide in public against an individual time and again over several months, I think it was naïve of CSA to ignore and still go ahead with the appointment. That's slap on the face. So battle seems to one individual against an organisation. Normal outcome under such circumstances is known. However, CSA can fast forward the outcome if they are serious to resolve is my view.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 9:13 GMT)

Even a youngster who had NOT run an organization could have seen the serious and significant financial loss to CSA. It is almost unbelievable that some one like Loragt could not SEE that? Either he is not up to the mark to run CSA, or his gigantic ego came in the way and blinded him. Either way, it is bad news for him. And, for CSA.

The only other explanation, is that he blindly believed Bindra's re-assurance. That's also a very poor judgement of people and situations. Whichever way you look at him, poor manager indeed!

Posted by orangtan on (September 22, 2013, 9:11 GMT)

As an Indian and a fan of Indian cricket I am ashamed at BCCI's personal vendetta against Haroon Lorgat. It's high time these people living in glass houses stopped throwing stones.

Posted by KarmatBaig on (September 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT)

India cannot tell or for that matter no country should interfere in others internal matters regarding appointment of head of cricket. India and Mr. Srinavsan please clean your house first and don't try to act like USA of world cricket.

Posted by android_user on (September 22, 2013, 9:09 GMT)

the things which are happening btwn the 2 boards r nt good fr sure BT its always a part of the politics. this is nt happening fr d 1st time neither fr d last. Hw ever win this battle of power, the cricket fans of both countries wl b d loosers in any ways. bcci is nt bulling CSA n CSA Hws all d rights to called off the series if they think bcci is doin something wrong. nw its upto d interest of both d boards n both d boards has rights to watch their interests.

Posted by jackthelad on (September 22, 2013, 9:04 GMT)

The wisdom of the serpent - 'BCCI is not telling South Africa who to appoint, just who not to appoint'. There is no difference at all, both are completely unacceptable interference in another nation's domestic cricket. BCCI have long been getting far too big for their boots, and I agree with Tejas Pradhan, it is time the other ICC nations refused to play India until such time as the BCCI agree to accept ICC rulings, guidelines and the autonomy of all ICC members.

Posted by JustIPL on (September 22, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

It is a wrong impression that BCCI have been able to show their power. SA knew well the expected childish attitude to be adopted by BCCI if Lorgat is appointed. SA showed their power. India opted out of SA tour to avoid get beaten by SA it again shows weakness of Indian cricket admin & team. SA domestic cricket has more money than India's and it doesnt matter if india tour or not.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 8:55 GMT)

@CSK_ku_periya_whistle_adinga Yet the BCCI is threatening to withdraw India from the tour, as they have done ever since Lorgat's appointment, which by the way, would be a huge economic hit for South African cricket. It is a strong arm tactic that disgusts me deeply. For the good of cricket the power of the BCCI needs to be curbed, because they are holding other international nations to ransom.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 8:52 GMT)

Even a youngster who had NOT run an organization could have seen the serious and significant financial loss to CSA. It is almost unbelievable that some one like Loragt could not SEE that? Either he is not up to the mark to run CSA, or his gigantic ego came in the way and blinded him. Either way, it is bad news for him. And, for CSA.

The only other explanation, is that he blindly believed Bindra's re-assurance. That's also a very poor judgement of people and situations. Whichever way you look at him, poor manager indeed!

Posted by android_user on (September 22, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

I think come IPL 2014 bcci will need CSA to host IPL in election year. so revenue lost in curtailed SA tour can b recovered at that time. it is in bcci's intrest that the will not cut relations to that extent k they cannot take IPL to SA in 2014

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 8:45 GMT)

No need for India to tour SA.No need for India to tour any country. Instead BCCI should keep another mini IPL during that season. After all IPL is just for 2 roughly months every year. Even a 21 match India - SL ODI series wouldn't hurt, after all the entire world is dying to watch an mouth watering clash between India and SL.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 7:59 GMT)

Ironic isn't it? that a person like N Srinivasan who's not ready to resign from the post of BCCI President even after being embroiled in controversies recently trying to dictate terms to the cricket board of another country regarding who should NOT be their Board Chief. Being an Indian Cricket "Team" supporter I feel disgusted as well as pity for the BCCI for all the bullying tactics they use against other boards. Hope the BCCI understand that the longer they continue with such tactics,there'll be a day,surely,when everyone else will team up against them and the BCCI will fall hard and flat on their face. I just hope this happens soon and the BCCI realises they need to stop misusing power. "I hope this gets published".

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 7:57 GMT)

I totally agree with you Sifter132. Boycott India all together. They seem to think they run the sport and can do what ever they want. I say if every nation decided to back South Africa and boycott them lets see how long they would last. To cripple a country national sport over a disliking to someone is schoolyard bullying. I could only imagine if this where the other way round how India would be carrying on in the media. If they go ahead with this and cripple CSA then I think they will be for a rude awakening. The ramifications that they will cause to themselves will be worse. The simplest way to overcome this is not to vote Srinivasan back on the board at the end of September. Wake up India its an international sport not a national sport.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 7:51 GMT)

I think the only way to cut BCCI to size permanently it for all the cricket boards to take a stand of not touring/hosting India. However big the game may be in my country India cannot play itself.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 7:38 GMT)

While it is difficult to be able to NOT take sides there seem to be a lot of stories' leaking' that appear to show BCCI is browbeating CSA. It is not clear what the issues are. However as usually happens in these circles of politics something will get sorted out! BCCI will not want to fall out in such a big way that it loses an ally and CSA will not want to lose a friend and ally either. The sad part is that history shows, no matter what it is in life, those that have power view things differently from those that do not have power!!

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 7:37 GMT)

All actions have repercussions. The law of Karma. Do not play with fire. BCCI obviously feel they were wronged during Lorgat's tenure. This is the law of Nature!!!!

Posted by Neal_88 on (September 22, 2013, 7:27 GMT)

to whoever it may concern : i would like to inform you that even if nobody plays india india will remain at the top as far as the money is concerned like us who don't need others to play baseball with him..... but to this topic i will say CSA made a mistake by taking on the lion in its own den and now has to pey.... as simple as that...... hard to take in but this is how the world is you can see that from the actions of US can't you........

Posted by VisBal on (September 22, 2013, 7:26 GMT)

@sifter123: It is always the host country that has the most to gain/lose from playing/not playing. So, I agree with you on taking a principled stand against touring India. Of course, those who would suffer most are the weaker boards (WI, SL, BAN, ZIM) and the Associate program.

Posted by android_user on (September 22, 2013, 7:05 GMT)

BCCI and it's disrespect for the game is appalling enough, but the most scary and disappointing aspect of this whole ordeal is the silence maintained by all the other boards, specially CA and ECB

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 6:42 GMT)

==Power and Control==

India got test status in 1932 ... ( 81 years to date) and is ranked 3rd (116) S Afr got test status in 1889 ... (124 years to date) and is ranked 1st (135)

Something is wrong here !! maybe the spectators are to blame ..... for supporting a (BCCI) body that is focused on power and control. Personally ..... I will never watch, support or promote any cricket that is connected to the BCCI including the IPL.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 6:40 GMT)

There seem to be no specific reason for opposing Haroon. Except for the one stated in this article where it says there was some misconduct on part of Haroon when he was with the ICC. Then why did memeber bodies like BCCI or CA ask for a panel to be formed and enquire about those charges.

Carrying on that grouse and dictating terms on how to set the other house in order is really in bad taste, mainly when your own house is in such a disarray.

I am from INdia but I agree these strong arm tactic is getting too much and I agree with sifter132 that the Englnad, SA, Australia and Pakistan boards should boycott Indian tours. What happened with SA might happen to others next.

Posted by Kasi_gun on (September 22, 2013, 6:38 GMT)

BCCI is not asking whom to appoint but telling with whom they are not interested to deal. This is as simple as that.

Posted by shiviverma on (September 22, 2013, 6:13 GMT)

i know its morally incorrect but what has logart done to irk them so bad..... i mean Mr. Srinivasan is one of the eshtablished businessmen in india... he would have met irritating ppl throughout his life..... but that much that they are willing to put SA on its knees is bad.... what have u done Mr. Logart.... i guess we will never know... its like the questoin "what does the fox say".....

Posted by Rahul_78 on (September 22, 2013, 5:54 GMT)

First of all the actions of Srini and BCCI arenot befitting a professional organization. Period! Having said that CSA should have known better then locking the horns with the most powerful beast in the jungle. The options before CSA are very limited. Dont think CSA can afford to loose to the tune of 200 million for the sake of one appointment and add to that the permanent damage to the relations with BCCI which will impact all the future relations and the tours. The best case scenario of CSA is Srini looses the impeding elections or Gurunath saga makes him leave the office. But if he replaced by a token president from his own camp or even someone like Dalmiya still CSA will have to face the consequences. At the moment it looks very unlikely that Srini and co will be routed out of the BCCI office. Wont be a surprise if Logart is arm twisted into resigning from CSA post for the sake of South African crickets financial benefit and future.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 5:11 GMT)

There are nine Test nations beside India. So, in theory, India has nine opponents. Why would Sri Lanka suffer financially so that South Africa can have the leader it wants? One of the nine other countries would decide the "principled" stand is to play India as often as possible and generate as much money as allowable in order to improve its national cricket program. Since the nine know that at least one of them would take the money, all nine of them have to chase the money lest some of them be left in the cold. South Africa, for example.

Posted by IndianEagle on (September 22, 2013, 5:10 GMT)

@mm71, sifter132. You are wrong guys. BCCI did not force CSA, did not point some one as canditate to select, all they did is raised their displeasure about csa's candidate. Please publish.

Posted by amitgarg78 on (September 22, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

I don't enjoy BCCI grandstanding on the issue but I do agree with the writer on the error of judgement on CSAs part. All international business is based on diplomacy and if someone's appointment is detrimental to it, then it needs to be thought over properly. Pragmatism scores higher in these cases...

Posted by Henry7 on (September 22, 2013, 5:03 GMT)

Ultimately, the Indian public will want to see the Indian team playing the best team, which is South Africa. There's only so many series against the likes of the West Indies and New Zealand that they will tolerate. South Africa should hold their ground.

Posted by android_user on (September 22, 2013, 5:02 GMT)

Com'on nobody would tell that way! looks like somebody wants to carnage India's image!! media plays its part too!

Posted by ODI_BestFormOfCricket on (September 22, 2013, 4:52 GMT)

I think, BCCI did not want to loose a friend, so instructed CSA we had unpleasing relationship with that guy, his appointment as CSA head would affect our good relationship. CSA rejected BCCI concerns. If BCCI had pointed some one instead of lorgat, one can say BCCI is bullying, here i dont think any bullying by BCCI and just raised their concerns within their rights. That all. Dont blame BCCI for all the mess that happening in cricketting world. Hoping all problems will be sorted out and shortned tour will go on.

Posted by mm71 on (September 22, 2013, 4:47 GMT)

It's like your boss telling you, if you marry this person you are fired. You choose to marry the person & get fired. You did what was right for you the boss did what was right for him, both lose.

Posted by   on (September 22, 2013, 4:23 GMT)

BCCI is the 'super power' in the cricketing domain and anyone wanting to take on BCCI will have to think hard before doing so. There are lots of anti-BCCI critics around the world but at the end of the day their voices don't matter at all. If you have the market and financial power to go toe-to-toe with BCCI, well and good. Otherwise it it wise to tread safely for common benefit. If a nation has power in some area it will use the power as leverage to maintain market dominance. There is nothing illegal about it. These are games played by the big and mighty and we see US, Russia & China strutting their clout in international affairs and no one whinging about that. Hence, if someone says that BCCI is too powerful and ICC needs to be cut it to size, then Good Luck to those proponents.

Posted by sifter132 on (September 22, 2013, 4:10 GMT)

It's a sad story of power isn't it? Appoint a guy we like or else we won't tour? Maybe all the other nations should boycott Indian tours for a while. We'd all be a lot poorer financially, but it would be a great principled stand.

Posted by TamilIndian on (September 22, 2013, 3:55 GMT)

Mr. Srinivasan, please step down for the better of cricket in general and indian cricket in particular.

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